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"Lost: Namaste" (S5/E9) Recap / Daniel Carlson

TV Reviews | March 23, 2009 | Comments (55)

“Namaste” is the ninth episode of the fifth season of “Lost,” meaning the season is more than half gone. Written by Paul Zbysxewski and Brian K. Vaughan and directed by Jack Bender, the episode is notable more for the gaps it fills in the island’s timeline than anything else; the big reveal at the end of the episode is played in the moment as a shocker, though what’s really important about it is how it will affect things going forward. I should also probably take this brief moment to remind everyone that I do, in fact, like this show, despite my occasional light jabs. It’s one of those great puzzle mystery genre soaps that pop up once every decade or so, and it’s a genuinely fun ride.

The episode opens with Ajira Flight 316 cruising gamely along in the middle of the night like it’s not heading for disaster. The Oceanic Six Minus Aaron are all sitting in their seats looking contemplative, while up in the cockpit, the co-pilot — who isn’t named, but is played by Dan Gauthier, who among other things was in “Saved by the Bell: Hawaiian Style,” which is now all I can think about — comments to pilot Frank Lapidus that he spotted a member of the Oceanic Six on board. He’s talking about Hurley, which yes, he’s a member of the Oceanic Six, but so are several other passengers. Hurley’s just the easiest body to remember, I guess. The co-pilot says Hurley must have nerves of steel to be flying once again over the South Pacific, to which Frank replies, “Well, maybe he doesn’t believe that lightning will strike twice in the same place.” Oh, Frank, you cunning little rogue. You know exactly what’s gonna happen. Sure enough, the plane starts to shake from turbulence, and yada yada yada, the white light raptures away Jack, Kate, Hurley, and Sayid. When the light recedes, the plane is soaring through the daytime sky and losing power. The co-pilot tries to restart the engines as the clouds part to reveal the island getting really close in the window, and Frank throttles up and works the jetliner between the hills like a master. Also in this scene, a voice can be heard reciting the Numbers as the co-pilot radios for help, but I don’t know where they’re coming from; the original broadcast of the Numbers was found by a young Rousseau and replaced by her own distress signal in French. Coming up on the edge of the island, they spot what looks like a runway below them — this is what Sawyer and Kate were forced to work on when imprisoned by DHARMA a couple seasons back — and Frank begins to take her down. There’s an unfortunately cartoonish shot of the underside of the plane as he begins to pilot her down to the ground, but they eventually touch down, and Frank shouts out for the co-pilot to engage the reverse thrusters, which I thought only existed on the Milennium Falcom but apparently are real. The plane rockets down the short runway, and Frank realizes there won’t be enough room left for the plane to stop. The plane smashes into the jungle as the screen cuts to black.

Some time later, Frank awakens in a daze, still strapped into his seat. Wiping blood from his forehead, he looks over to see that the co-pilot has been impaled Reaver-style by a branch that plunged through the front window and pinned him to his chair, killing him. Frank grabs a flashlight and manages to work his way back to the main cabin, where Caesar is attempting to revive Ilana. “Jarrah?” she asks, unsure of what’s happening, but as she opens her eyes, she sees that it’s Caesar, who explains about the accident. Ilana looks to her left and sees that Sayid has indeed vanished, and when she tries to stand, she stumbles to her knees. Caesar helps her back into her seat as Frank staggers by, spotting Sun. The two former residents of the island help each other to the aisle, and Frank looks around and wonders aloud what happened to Jack and the rest. “They’re gone,” a man says, and Frank turns to see Ben standing there looking as creepy as ever. Frank asks where they went, but Ben just shrugs and says, “How would I know?” How about because you can summon the smoke monster, you murderous little guy. You know a lot more than you will ever let on.

Thirty years in the past — and it’s important to remember that these shifts aren’t between locations or worlds, but from the present to the past in the same place — Kate is exiting the DHARMA van and looking at Sawyer with a mix of longing, regret, and possibly a sublimated desire to project her abandonment issues onto him and ruin his life. (The title card that establishes the time period also is a reminder that, though Ajira 316 did go through some kind of time flash, it stayed in 2008.) Sawyer stares back like he thinks this might be a good idea. Hurley drops his guitar case, runs up, and excited gives Sawyer a big hug, shouting, “You’re alive! Dude!” Sawyer says, “Easy on the ribs there, Kong,” and Hurley says he actually missed Sawyer’s nicknames. Sawyer and Jack have a not totally unpleasant moment where they shake hands, then Sawyer and Kate share a friendly but business-like hug as each says how good it is to see the other. Jack looks down for a moment, possibly working through whatever potential feelings he may have for the brunette wingnut that jumped his bones the night before. Sawyer gets excited as he talks about how Locke actually succeeded in his quest, and asks where the older man is, but Jack hangs his head and informs Sawyer that Locke is dead. (Well, in 30 years, he’ll be resurrected on Hydra Island, but what can you do.) Sawyer is stunned by the news and asks how it happened, but Jack just echoes the same sentiment Sawyer used to push through his own losses three years earlier: “It doesn’t matter. He’s gone.” Hurley finally asks why Sawyer and Jin are decked out in DHARMA gear, and after Sawyer and Jin have a quick little Lenny and Squiggy moment of “I thought you were gonna tell them,” Sawyer confesses that he’s officially a DHARMA member. Jack, understandably not quite getting it, asks if DHARMA came back to the island, but Sawyer replies, “No, we came back. And so did you.” Then he lets the other shoe drop: “It’s 1977.” Hurley’s response is the most rational: “Uh, what?”

A few minutes later, Jack is pacing as he confirms that Sawyer has been waiting for three years, and Kate tells Sawyer that’s how long it’s been since they parted in the chopper. Jin’s walkie lets out a call from Miles, asking their location, and Jin reminds Sawyer that if they don’t check in soon, a patrol will be sent out. Hurley, who’s on a roll in the reunion scene, responds with, “Dude, your English is awesome.” Sawyer, thinking on his feet, tells Jin they need to bring their friends back to the Barracks since they can’t go traipsing around the jungle with the Hostiles. Kate seems a little thrown by the term, which is weird, since she was there for the same three months most everyone else was, and you’d think they’d have shared stories. Hurley says other people from the plane could still be out there, which tips the Six’s hand, as Jack admits to Jin that Sayid, Frank, and Sun were on the plane. This is all Jin needs to hear to scamper over to the jeep, despite Sawyer’s warnings to stay so they can figure out what to do. Jin hops in the car and says he’s heading to the Flame to check with Radzinsky to see if any plane has landed on the island, which (a) bad idea plus (b) DID YOU SEE A PLANE JIN NO YOU DID NOT. Sawyer’s in the right on this one, and Jin should know just as well as anyone that bombing around the island looking for Sun, even after three years of gainful DHARMA employment, is likely to raise some eyebrows. But with MercutioMichael dead and Claire chillaxin’ in the ghost cabin, I guess the show needed someone new to go charging wildly into the jungle to look for a loved one. So Jin speeds off as Sawyer tells the trio to hang tight on the shore while he figures out how to explain where they came from. Kate steps up and asks, “Other than you and Jin, who else is still here?” Sawyer’s face says it all, but the only possible answer is a smash cut to Juliet.

Juliet walks into the security station where Miles is douchily not monitoring anything, and she asks him if he’s seen Sawyer, to which he replies that he hasn’t. She sounds a little worried as she talks about how Sawyer got a call from Jin that morning but hasn’t been around, so Miles walks over to the monitor bank and decides to help out. They see Sawyer pull up to his house, which cuts to Sawyer rifling through his closet, looking for clothes. Juliet walks in and asks what the hell is going on, but Sawyer can only say, “They’re back.” When Sawyer explains who he’s talking about, Juliet looks shocked and a little scared. Sawyer tells Juliet he doesn’t understand their friends’ return any more than she does, but he adds, “I gotta find a way to bring them in before somebody else finds them and they screw up everything we got here.” This is an important line because it underscores just how much Sawyer et al. have achieved in three years, moving forward and adopting different lives even as Sawyer maintained his vigil for his missing friends. But the Oceanic Six have just spun their wheels. The moment also gets to Sawyer’s concern for his life and his commitment to working from a plan, a theme that runs throughout the episode. When Sawyer says he has to figure out what to do, Juliet reminds him that there’s a sub coming in that afternoon.

Out at the Flame — destroyed in the episode “Enter 77,” when it was run by Mikhail — Jin pulls up and grabs his rifle before sprinting inside, where Radzinsky is working on a model of a geodesic dome and muttering to himself like a crazy person who would kill time building a geodesic dome. The model is being constructed on a set of blueprints; it’s the Swan station, the first one discovered by the castaways when the hatch is blown open. Jin busts in and bolts to the control room off the main area, where he starts fiddling with a monitor array and checking printouts. Radzinsky pretty much loses his shit, telling Jin to keep his hands off the technical stuff. “I thought you learned English,” Radzinsky says, which is another awesome way to make friends. Jin tells him he needs to check the radar logs to see if a plane landed on the island. Radzinsky is rightly dubious and reminds Jin that if a plane had landed, Radzinsky would probably have told people about it. Jin asks Radzinsky to check with the other stations, and Radzinsky starts to blow him off again, but Jin grabs the guy by the collar and shoves him against the wall, repeating his request. Radzinsky caves, but he pushes his chair around in valiant protest as he radios the other DHARMA stations to ask if anyone has seen a plane land recently. He asks Jin why the phantom plane is so important, and Jin, who can’t tell the truth and is in no way prepared to lie with any conviction, simply says, “It just is.”

Back in 2008, Sun stands on the beach, fidgeting with Jin’s wedding band. Ilana comes up and asks if she lost someone, since Sun looks like she’s searching for someone, but Sun says she was traveling alone. A few feet away, amid some dazed survivor and recovered luggage, Frank calls everyone to attention and gives them the sitrep: The radio’s dead, but he thinks everyone should “hunker down” and wait for help to come when people realize Ajira 316 has gone missing. While he’s talking the camera pans the group of Ajira survivors, one of whom is played by Brad Henke, whose credits include “Dexter” and the rapey Christian Patrick on “Sports Night.” He doesn’t say anything, but it’s a lock he shows back up in future episodes for something. Frank wraps his speech, but Caesar jumps up and asks where they are. When Frank says it’s not on his charts, Caesar suggests getting new ones, since he’s already spotted buildings and animal cages nearby, as well as a bigger island across the water. While Frank and Caesar square off for temporary control of the group, Ben, who’s been sitting in the shade, quietly stands and scuttles off into the jungle. Sun sees him go and sets out in pursuit, stumbling after Ben as he cuts through the wild. She loses him only to have him reappear creepily behind her, and he asks why she’s following him. She responds with her own question, asking where he’s going. “Back to our island,” Ben says like he’s talking to a slow child. “You wanna come?” We know Sun will say yes, and that she and Frank will take off in a boat and that Ben will be left behind for Locke to find, but what the hell, it’s still a fun little moment.

Back at the Barracks, Juliet walks up to Amy, who’s sleeping in a hammock with a crib by the side. Juliet reaches down quietly to pick up a clipboard from a small table, since Amy apparently takes her paperwork with her during naptime, but Amy wakes up. Juliet is almost away when Amy calls her name, and Juliet rolls with the punches like a pro and tells Amy she just came to get the sub manifest, and that Amy should take it easy. Amy helpfully tells Juliet that two of the recruits washed out because they didn’t want to take the sedative. Juliet bends over the crib and picks up the baby, which looks like every other baby in the history of babies, and asks Amy if the kid has a name yet. Amy says she and Horace want to name the baby Ethan, news Juliet also takes in stride. It’s a nice little moment, since now we know who Ethan’s parents are, but it’s also kind of pointless for now, since unless there’s a connection to Horace or Amy that’s later revealed, who cares how Ethan got to the island? Amy asks Juliet when she and Sawyer are going to have a kid, but rather than discourse on personal responsibility or the desire not to create a mewling little life form that will grow up to hate her, Juliet just says that the timing has to be right. Juliet takes the clipboard and walks away.

Back out at the shore, Jack, Kate, and Hurley are still hanging out. Kate asks if the woman who told Jack how to get back to the island mentioned the whole time travel thing, but Jack says she “left that part out.” Sawyer pulls up in the van and frantically begins distributing clothes as he explains that the threesome will be posing as the second batch of recruits coming in off the submarine that’s pulling into port at that moment. Jack asks how the cover story will work, and Sawyer tells him that everyone gets knocked out before the trip, so they all meet each other on the island at in-processing. Jack says they should be looking for the rest of the people from the plane, but Sawyer says Jin will find it if it exists, and that disguising themselves as new recruits is the only hope Jack and the others have of making it; another group isn’t due for six months. Jack polls Kate and Hurley, who side with Sawyer. With that, they get ready to move.

Down at the Flame, Jin is pacing in front of the bank of monitors — one of which is playing “The Muppet Show,” so do with that what you will — when Radzinsky tells him that every station has checked in and none reported seeing a plane. A small alarm goes off, and Radzisnky shoves Jin aside as he approaches the instrument panel and finds that a motion sensor alarm was tripped in grid 325. He reasons it’s a Hostile inside the perimeter, which is all the prompting Jin needs to once again go tear-assing off into the jungle with his rifle. Weaving through the tall grass, he sees a figure dart by a few meters away, and he closes the distance to find Sayid standing there, luscious man-locks looking considerably swampy after his brush with death and rapture back through time. The men have a happy moment of reunion as Jin asks Sayid if he’s seen Sun, but he replies that he doesn’t know where she is. Before they get further, Radzinsky catches up and raises his rifle at Sayid, and Jin switches into DHARMA mode, bringing his A-game in hopes of faking out Radzinsky. Jin raises his weapon and tells Sayid to hit his knees and shut up, lest he be killed.

Meanwhile, Sawyer is driving Jack, Kate, and Hurley across the island like he’s leading a field trip. Hurley brings up that everybody in DHARMA, you know, dies a horrible death by gassing before being dumped into a mass grave, but Sawyer doesn’t seem too fazed. Hurley asks if he plans to stop the group killing, but Sawyer responds that he’s “not here to play Nostradamus,” plus Faraday has “some interesting theories” about what can and can’t be changed. Jack, who’s sitting in the back seat wearing Donnie Brasco’s polo shirt, leans forward at the name and says, “Did you say Faraday? He’s here?” Sawyer drops one of this week’s requisite mysteries when he cryptically replies, “Not anymore.” I guess that answer somehow satisfies the group, or at any rate, they don’t get a chance to ask about it before stops the van in the Barracks courtyard beneath a banner that reads, “Welcome new recruits.” People are walking around in denim jackets looking groovy, and Blues Image’s “Ride Captain Ride” is playing on the stereo. Everybody piles out in front of a building bearing the sign “Processing Center” as Sawyer distributes leis and informs them that Juliet has rigged it so that their names will be on the list. All that Jack and the others have to do is watch the indoctrination video, get their jumpsuits and work assignments, and try to look casual. Hurley worries that they might have to answer questions like who’s president in 1977 — duh, Taft — but Sawyer grins a little as he says it’s not a game show, and that everything will be fine. They queue up to head inside, but as they’re walking, Miles come driving douchily up in his own van, hopping out and calling out for “LaFleur” and complaining douchily that he hasn’t been able to get the guy on his walkie. Jack, Hurley, and Kate turn to cast looks at Miles, who douchily breaks character as he not-too-quietly asks Sawyer what they’re doing there. Sawyer smoothes it over and walks Miles back to the van as he asks what the problem is. Miles says it’s Jin, and that there’s a “14-J” at the Flame. Sawyer radios Jin, who says he and Radzinsky found a Hostile in the jungle. Out at the Flame, Jin watches Radzinsky lock Sayid in the pantry, and Jin slips outside to tell Sawyer that the Hostile is actually Sayid, and they found him alone.

Back in 2008, Sun and Ben are trekking through the jungle like they aren’t mortal enemies or anything. Ben tells Sun that they’re about to come on three outriggers, one of which he plans to take one back to the main island, and that she can come along to help row or stay behind. He takes his arm out of the sling and feels the joint, but the island’s healing powers seem to be working, since he looks fine. Sun asks if Jin is on the main island, to which Ben replies, “Honestly, I don’t know. But that’s where I’d start looking.” Now, any time Ben uses the word “honestly,” it’s a safe bet he’s lying, but Sun is smart enough to know this. Just then, Frank catches up to them, calling out for Sun but not returning Ben’s calm, eerie little, “Hello, Frank.” Ben is like Buster Bluth with his constant greetings. Frank asks Sun what she’s doing, and she tells him of Ben’s boat and plan to return to the main island, admitting that she doesn’t want to trust him, but has to out of circumstance. A few moments later, they’re at the beach, where Ben finds three outriggers partially hidden by palm fronds. Sun walks to the boat as Ben clears it off, and Frank warns her that Ben is more dangerous than she knows. “That boat I came here on — it was filled with commandos whose only mission was to get him,” Frank says. Ben pipes up, “How’d that work out for everyone?” Well, Ben, they killed your daughter, so it wasn’t exactly awesome. Sun asks Frank to join them, but he says he has to stay and watch after the passengers. Ben seems to almost respect this, so he tells Frank that there’s a dock on the other island due south, and a road that leads to “a town” where Ben used to live. (Sure, the Barracks is pretty gutted by now, but it’s still better than the beach.) But before Ben can finish giving instructions, Sun steps up and clubs him over the head with an oar, knocking his ass out cold. “I thought you trusted this guy,” Frank said. “I lied,” Sun says, almost completely devoid of emotion. If only her willingness to turn on someone could help Jin travel through time.

In 1977, Jack and Kate are watching the indoc video in the processing center, which features Marvin Candle/Pierre Chang advising the new recruits to stay within the confines of their new living quarters and to keep an eye out for the sonar fence designed to keep out the island’s “abundant and diverse wildlife.” Creepy Phil calls out Jack’s name from a clipboard before guiding him to the uniform station, where Jack sits in front Dr. Chang himself. Chang is annoyed that he can’t find Jack’s file, but he chalks it up to bureaucratic disorganization. He shakes it off and extends his hand and a “Namaste” greeting, and it looks like Jack’s gonna get out of this with nothing but that “Party of Five” smile, but then Chang asks, “Who was your shuttle driver?” You can almost see Jack (not unreasonably) thinking, “What the hell does it matter?” But instead he stalls for a few beats before saying it was LaFleur. Chang checks off a few forms and finds an index card with Jack’s work assignment on it, saying he’s been assigned to the Shed as he grabs a jumpsuit and boots for Jack. I really, really wanted Jack to ask for something in a low-rise bikini, preferably mesh, but instead Jack spots the “Workman” label on the breast pocket and asks for an explanation. Chang says that based on Jack’s aptitude test, he’ll be doing janitorial work. Good one, Sawyer! On the other side of the room, Kate is idly pacing when Creepy Phil comes up and says hi, asking her name so he can check it off his list. Creepy Phil checks his pages and says that Kate’s not on his list or the sub manifest, and he goes right into serious mode when he asks who her recruiter is. Kate stalls with a clever “Um,” but she’s saved when Juliet appears in the doorway and tells Creepy Phil she’s got the new list from Amy complete with last-minute additions, including Kate. The guy is satisfied and walks away, and then Kate and Juliet make their introductions like they haven’t been chasing the same man back and forth between them for years.

Out at the Flame, Sawyer pulls up to find Jin waiting nervously outside. Jin explains that Sayid just came walking out of the jungle in handcuffs, but that he hasn’t been able to get any information out of him with Radzinsky refusing to leave them alone. They head inside, and Radzinsky tells Sawyer that the newcomer is locked in the storage room and that he very well could have seen the model of the Swan or the survey of its intended location. Radzinsky, showing the genuine spark of the insanity that Kelvin Inman claims made the man take his own life, says the Hostile can be taken care of if they just shoot him. Sawyer says he appreciates Radzinsky’s input but would like to talk to the guy before they decide on execution, and he has Radzinsky hand over the keys, which he tosses to Jin who frees Sayid. Sayid makes eye contact with Sawyer when he emerges and has a genuine moment of “you have got to be kidding me” before concealing his emotions as he’s pushed into a chair. Sawyer launches into a speech about being head of security, all for the benefit of Radzinsky, and tells Sayid that he has to identify himself as a Hostile or be shot, according to the terms of the truce. Sayid, who totally remembers his notes from freshman drama, does a yes-and, saying, “We do not refer to ourselves as ‘Hostile,’ but yes, I am one of them.” Sawyer pulls Sayid to his feet and begins to lead him out, telling Radzinsky that they’re taking him to the Barracks, which makes Radzinsky start whining again. The guy says Sawyer is making a “huge mistake” and that he’s going to talk directly to Horace about this. Sawyer calls his bluff and tells him to talk to Horace all he wants, then turns and leaves, and Radzinsky follows.

Back in 2008, Sun and Frank have crossed the water and are docking at the main island, which in addition to being inhabited by a smoke monster is now deserted and just plain terrifying at night. They make their way up the pier, Frank with his flashlight drawn, and sure enough, they catch a glimpse of what looks like the smoke monster screwing around in the bushes ahead of them. “Whoa,” Frank says. “Tell me you saw that.” Sun, selective about her denial, says it’s probably “just an animal,” which Frank isn’t buying. They arrive at the Barracks, where they see the sign from the Processing Center dangling by one chain, like the killer pushed it with his knife as he walked by. Sun and Jin look behind them to see a light come on in a nearby building, and instead of screaming and running like anyone with any sense, they just stand there and watch as the door creaks open to reveal a shadowy figure. (This is the part where Kenneth held my hand.) But it’s only Christian, who still wears his shirts dirty and buttoned to the collar. He even introduces himself, and Sun says she’s looking for her husband, and asks if Christian knows where he is. Christian looks down for a moment, then back at her, and says, “Follow me.” He leads them into the dusty, broken-down Processing Center, heading right for a wall adorned with a series of framed group photos. Sun asks again where her husband is, and Christian plucks the photo from 1977 off the wall, wipes off some of the grime, and hands it to her, saying, “He’s with your friends.” She looks at the photo and sees, among others, Hurley, Kate, and Jack decked out in DHARMA jumpsuits. “I’m sorry,” Christian says, “but you have a bit of a journey ahead of you.” This is wonderfully ominous and could mean all sorts of interesting things for Sun and Frank. (On an unrelated note, right after Christian speaks, the camera cuts back to Sun and pushes in a bit, and over her left shoulder, on the right side of the frame, you can see what looks like a woman turn her head in the dark. It’s frightening and weird, and is probably just a P.A. that couldn’t hold still, but it adds to the creepiness of the scene.)

The photo transitions the episode back to 1977, where the new recruits half-heartedly say “Namaste” as they get their picture taken. Creepy Phil steps in and tells everyone to be sure and review their security protocols, and to also help themselves to burgers and punch. Creepy Phil sucks at hosting. Anyway, as the group breaks up, Sawyer radios in and says he’s coming in with a 14-J, and as Sawyer pulls up, Creepy Phil asks the group to hold back because of a “minor security situation.” Jin and Radzinsky lead Sayid around the van, and he of course has that weird moment of eye contact with Jack, Kate, and Hurley, so at least he knows he’s not alone among the Ajira 316 survivors. Hurley hits the deadpan: “I guess we found Sayid.” Inside the security station, Sawyer and Creepy Phil lead Sayid into a cell, and Sawyer tells Phil to bring Sayid some food. “We’re not savages,” he says. Sawyer shuts the cell door and gives Sayid a slight nod, a realistic way for him to acknowledge his friend without overplaying the card.

Later that night, Jack is cruising the sidewalk when he passes Phil and asks for directions to James LaFleur’s house. Phil points to his right and says LaFleur lives there, and Jack gets maybe 10 feet away when Phil calls out, “But I wouldn’t call him ‘James.’ … He hates it.” Jack nods and turns, and Creepy Phil stops smiling as he watches him go. Dude. Jack knocks on the door and is blown away when Juliet answers; he even gasps a little. They hug, and he apologizes for not figuring out a way to say hello when he saw her at the Processing Center, but she says it’s okay because they weren’t supposed to know each other anyway. Jack says he was looking for Sawyer but must be at the wrong house, but Juliet says he’s right and invites him in. The tiniest look of confusion darts across his face as he steps inside and starts to put it together, and it’s the beginning of a fantastic interchange that sees Jack and Sawyer begin to redefine their roles and the way they relate to each other. Jack finds Sawyer sitting in the living room and reading, and as Jack stands there in his dorky jumpsuit, you can almost feel the balance of power shift to the guy calmly sitting with a book, the guy that took the girl you never knew you didn’t want to leave behind. Juliet excuses herself as Jack and Sawyer silently work through all this, and it really starts to hit home when Sawyer says, “What can I do for you, Jack?” Jack’s now the new guy, the one who needs help or approval, and Sawyer is running the show. Jack asks about Sayid, and Sawyer says he had to “improvise,” since Sayid was caught in the jungle and would’ve been harmed since he can’t very well admit how he got there. Sawyer reassures Jack that Sayid is safe for the moment, which is all that matters, and that he’s working on what to do next. “Really?” Jack says. “Because it looked to me like you were reading a book.” Bad idea, Jack. Don’t be a smartass to the guy that saved your life just because you don’t get to hold the conch. Sawyer smiles a little as he tells Jack that Churchill read every night, even during the Blitz, and claimed it helped him think better. “It’s how I like to run things,” Sawyer says. “I think. I’m sure that doesn’t mean that much to you, ‘cause back when you were calling the shots, you pretty much just reacted. See, you didn’t think, Jack, and as I recall, a lot of people ended up dead.” It’s a fantastic smackdown not just because there’s truth to it but because it drives home just how much has changed in three years, and how Jack might have to take a backseat to Sawyer, who’s got more time on the island, more knowledge of DHARMA, and the willingness to be patient before enacting a plan. This is the intelligent Sawyer of the old days, and it’s good to have him back. He was scrambling after Locke left, but he seems to be up and running now. Jack counters, “I got us off the island,” but he really only got a handful of people off the island, and they aren’t doing well. Sawyer just sighs and says, “But here you are, right back where you started.” Sawyer stands to guide Jack out, saying it was thinking that saved Jack’s ass and thinking that will save Sayid’s the next day. “Let me do what I do,” Sawyer says. Jack walks away, and Sawyer steps out onto the porch to watch him go, then turns his attention to the next house over, where Kate is standing on her own porch. (All she does is pace. Everywhere she goes.) They exchange an awkward little wave, and it’s clear Sawyer is just totally whipped and ready for another bite of bad cake, and then he turns away and heads inside.

Over at the security station, Creepy Phil is monitoring things when a kid with brown hair and glasses walks in and says he’s there to deliver a sandwich. It’s totally obvious who the kid is, but the episode still does its best to milk the moment. The kid walks into the cell are and passes the brown paper bag to Sayid through the bars, and Sayid thanks him for the meal. The boy asks if Sayid is a Hostile; Sayid, unable to tell the truth and unwilling to lie too much too soon, simply says, “Do you think I am?” The kid tries a different tack, asking for his name, so Sayid introduces himself and then asks for the boy’s name in return. “I’m Ben,” the kid says. Sayid gets points for not falling over or trying to strangle the kid. Instead, he replies, “It’s nice to meet you, Ben.”

And that’s the episode. It was a pretty solid installment overall, but the best moment was the inversion of the Jack/Sawyer dynamic at the end. But of course, now we know that young Ben was on the island by 1977, which leads to some interesting questions. Did the adult Ben remember Sayid, Jack, Hurley, Kate, Sawyer, et al. when he saw them again as an adult, and they met him for the first time? It would be an easy retcon to make to say that he did, since Ben doesn’t let on to much in the first place, plus Charles Widmore remembered Locke after 50 years even though he only met him for a few hours. Also, in Season Two, Michael was told to bring Jack, Kate, Sawyer, and Hurley to the Others’ camp if he wanted to rescue Walt; did Ben request those four people because he’d met them as a boy and wanted to know how their fates intertwined? Also, where the hell are Rose and Bernard? They should have kept making the time jumps, which would mean they stopped in 1974 and have been living on the island for three years; are they with the Others? Also, it’s possible that Ben will now have “always” met Sayid as a boy, meaning Sayid was always fated to go back in time from a future point. But what happens if Ben gets sucked back in time and sees himself? (Okay, that won’t happen.) And what happened to Faraday? Is he dead, or is he with the Others? Speaking of the Others, what are they up to in 2008? Do they have anyone on Hydra Island to start screwing with the 316 survivors, or will we run into them on the main island? And just what kind of journey do Sun and Frank have ahead of them? If Christian tries to push them down a well and make them turn the frozen time wheel, I’m going to be upset.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a low-level employee at a Hollywood industry magazine. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.

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"the season is more than half gone"


ok, now back to reading.

Posted by: Rachel at March 23, 2009 2:17 PM

Holy cow! This was a great episode. My favorite moment was Hurley's, "Uh, whut?" before they broke for the "Lost" title card. Great.


that is all...

Posted by: dammitjanet at March 23, 2009 2:20 PM

Another great episode.

I'd like to nominate Ben for Creepiest/Awesomenest Motherfucker to Ever Walk the Earth Award. Every second he's on screen he's hilariously evil, it's so perfectly done.

I bet Jack fucks everything up. Because Jack can't take not being the leader, much less having to listen to Sawyer on anything. I hate him and his stupid haircut. I wish him and Kate would blow each other up, and let the smart people take over.

Posted by: figgy at March 23, 2009 2:52 PM

I agree it was a great episode. I'm definitely on board with the "this has all happened before" thing. I think the first 4 seasons were how we thought events happened, and now we are seeing the course correction: how they really happened. I think certain people were always there (Jack, Sawyer, Kate, Sayid, Jin, Locke) and so when 815 crashed with people who seemed destined or fated to be on the plane - it's because they are on a course correction. I think it's possible that Sun was separated from the pack because she wasn't originally on island, but by the time the course correction was set in motion, she was with Jin.

Now I'm wondering if Sayid is the missing Others leader (referred to by Ben when he spoke of the Purge). Since Sayid escapes, he has a chance to join up with the others, and having been inside Dharmaville, he can offer information.

I still think Juliet is creepy, and I still don't quite trust her.

Posted by: Cindy at March 23, 2009 2:54 PM

I may be in the minority on this but...I don't think Jack could have done much more than react when he was "leading." The Losties had NO IDEA what was going on those 3 months they were on the island. Sawyer is "leading" in a much more stable environment AND he has the benefit of knowing that no matter what he does "what ever happens, happened." Oh also, I don't recall much planning or thinking when Sawyer shot the US Marshall in the stomach instead of the head when he was trying to put him out of his misery.

But I do agree that Jack's douchey "I got us off the island" line is totally lame. Tell us about everyone's time off-island, Jack. How was it?

Loves Sun's "I lied" and Hurley's "uh, what?"

Posted by: Rachel at March 23, 2009 2:56 PM

but it’s also kind of pointless for now, since unless there’s a connection to Horace or Amy that’s later revealed, who cares how Ethan got to the island?

But didn't Ben kill all the DHARMA folks? How did Ethan escape the purge?

Posted by: twigged at March 23, 2009 3:01 PM

That said, I much prefer Sawyer to Jack and agree that Jack and Kate should blow each other up and leave the leading to the smart, sexy, shirtless Sawyer.

Posted by: Rachel at March 23, 2009 3:02 PM

I loved this episode. The juxtaposition of Sawyer and Jack in the tribe now is just plain fun and hopefully will lead to better decisions. And I loved Sun in the episode. I thought she might revert to old Sun, but she maintained the emotionless bad-ass Sun that we've seen all this season. She is now my number one mystery for this season. Why was she not raptured with the rest of the O6? Why was she different, other than to milk the all the melodrama over her eventual reunion with Jin? And did it seem to anyone else that despite his alpha-dog verbal pissing contest with Sawyer in the end Jack seemed relieved to have Sawyer running the show?

I was thinking about how they were going to spend the next 7 or so episodes now that everyone is back on the Island but between finding out about Faraday, Caesar and Ilana, Desmond, Locke, Sun and Frank, Bernard and Rose, getting all the characters back to the same time, and setting up next season's war arc they probably have plenty to fill the rest of the season.

Posted by: ed newman at March 23, 2009 3:03 PM

"It’s one of those great puzzle mystery genre soaps that pop up once every decade or so..."

Daniel, what are these other great puzzle mystery genre soaps, and are any of them available on DVD? I really enjoy Lost and thought it was pretty unique, but maybe my memory is just failing.

Posted by: khlavkalash at March 23, 2009 3:16 PM

How did Ethan escape the purge?

And how does he eventually wind up as an Other?

If certain people from the original Oceanic 815 flight had been on the island before, how do they eventually leave, with no memory of their time there, in order to have lives off the island that results in them coming back?

And yes, WHERE IS FARADAY?!? I had missed the bit of info on him in the Sawyer/Jack exchange. I figured we just hadn't gotten to his role with Dharma yet.

I thought the best line was Ben's, "How’d that work out for everyone?" I laughed out loud on that one, something that doesn't happen very often when I watch Lost. I'm usually too busy biting my fingernails wondering what is coming next.

Posted by: katy at March 23, 2009 3:33 PM

Jin hops in the car and says he’s heading to the Flame to check with Radzinsky to see if any plane has landed on the island, which (a) bad idea plus (b) DID YOU SEE A PLANE JIN NO YOU DID NOT.

This is one of the things that still irritates me about Lost. So many of these people's troubles would be resolved if they would just THINK about shit before they plunged into it. I guess they needed for Jin to find Sayid, but STILL.

Juliet walks into the security station where Miles is douchily not monitoring anything

I love your recaps, Dan.

Posted by: figgy at March 23, 2009 3:38 PM

Kate is exiting the DHARMA van and looking at Sawyer with a mix of longing, regret, and possibly a sublimated desire to project her abandonment issues onto him and ruin his life.

Right! I felt so bad for Juliet when she was talking with Amy about timing. You could tell that she realizes that won't ever work now that Kate's back.

This was another good episode, especially for the Jack and Sawyer power play at the end. I mean, c'mon Jack, it's only been a few days since you were all pube-faced and stealing prescription meds.

Posted by: jM at March 23, 2009 3:43 PM

How did Ethan escape the purge?
And how does he eventually wind up as an Other?

Yeah, I think they tend to spare the kids, maybe because they're easy to indoctrinate. Like the kids from the Oceanic crash. Also, since the purge happens relatively soon, Ethan would be too young to remember being born into DHARMA.

Posted by: jM at March 23, 2009 3:50 PM

Cindy, I always look for your comments on each week's episode - you're a fricken LOST genius. I don't know if Sayid ends up with the Others, although it would make some sense - he could be the person who ends up teaching them all their kick-ass martial arts moves. I'm beginning to think that one of the Losties will end up being Jacob (maybe - although that wouldn't explain Richard knowing who Jacob was in 1954, would it?).

As far as Ethan surviving the purge, it's quite possible that Ben, as a child, convinced some of his peers to join him in becoming an Other.

Posted by: Kolby at March 23, 2009 3:50 PM

Oh, and I think that Faraday may no longer be with them mentally. Remember Charlotte telling him that a seriously effed up version of himself scared the bejeezus out of her as a child? He probably lost his damn mind.

Posted by: Kolby at March 23, 2009 3:52 PM

How did Ethan escape the purge?
And how does he eventually wind up as an Other?

It seems like the Others tend to spare the kids, maybe because they are easy to indoctrinate like the 815 kids. Also, since Ethan was just born and the purge happens relatively soon, he could have grown up without ever knowing that he was born into DHARMA.

Posted by: jM at March 23, 2009 3:55 PM

Also, since the purge happens relatively soon, Ethan would be too young to remember being born into DHARMA.

I believe the purge happens in 1992, so Ethan would be about 15 at that point.

Posted by: Kolby at March 23, 2009 3:57 PM

What the hell was that?

Posted by: jM at March 23, 2009 3:57 PM

If certain people from the original Oceanic 815 flight had been on the island before, how do they eventually leave, with no memory of their time there, in order to have lives off the island that results in them coming back?

Because when they crashed on the island they hadn't been to the 1970's on the island yet. In their timeline they crashed on the island in 2004 and THEN went back in time to the Dharma Initiative in the 70's.

I'm dying to know how they eventually leave too, though. They either get out by 1992 or die in the purge?

Posted by: Rachel at March 23, 2009 4:00 PM

"Bad idea, Jack. Don’t be a smartass to the guy that saved your life just because you don’t get to hold the conch."

I love you Daniel Carlson.

Posted by: Henry at March 23, 2009 4:06 PM

Oh, and I think that Faraday may no longer be with them mentally. Remember Charlotte telling him that a seriously effed up version of himself scared the bejeezus out of her as a child? He probably lost his damn mind.

That's what I thought too, Kolbs. It didn't sound like he was dead, but it's easy to see him slowly losing his mind, what with having Charlotte permanently around him on top of him trying to figure out how to get back to the future. Poor Daniel.

Posted by: figgy at March 23, 2009 4:09 PM

I should also probably take this brief moment to remind everyone that I do, in fact, like this show, despite my occasional light jabs

don't worry Daniel, it comes across loud and clear in your writing. it is one of the many reasons i love reading your recaps.

i loved Sun's bad-assedness (that is so not a word, but you know what i mean) this episode. her new attitude wouldn't have worked with the old Jin, but Dharma Jin seems like he's mellowed out a bit. i also loved how he was totally rockin' that Dharma jumpsuit--good Godtopus that man is hot!

If certain people from the original Oceanic 815 flight had been on the island before, how do they eventually leave, with no memory of their time there, in order to have lives off the island that results in them coming back?

huh? they wouldn't remember being there because they hadn't been there yet. they had never been on the island before 815 crashed (as far as we know). they went back in time after the plane crashed and the island was moved. so, although they were there in the 70's, they wouldn't remember being there because it hadn't happened in their personal timelines yet.

i was confused about the scene with Sun, Frank, and Christian because i was under the impression that the Others had removed most of the Dharma gear in the barracks. how long did the 815'ers live there under Locke's rule? they never looked at those pictures? i am unusually nosey, but still, i can't imagine that they didn't notice that they were in those pictures.

Posted by: pq at March 23, 2009 4:12 PM

Good point, pq. I hadn't even thought about that.

That's just the kind of shit Lost does where you don't know if it's a genuine mistake or they're just fucking with our heads some more. Sometimes I think the writers are just wringing their hands and cackling with glee when they pull these things out. Bastards.

Posted by: figgy at March 23, 2009 4:35 PM

jM - That was you, having gone into the future at some point and then traveled back to now, letting you know what you were going to say.

Posted by: katy at March 23, 2009 4:50 PM

Sun and Jin look behind them to see a light come on in a nearby building...

You mean Sun and Frank, right?

Oh, and I absolutely can't stand the Sun-Jin reunion being prolonged. It's killing me every single week. LET THEM BE TOGETHER.

Posted by: Amanda at March 23, 2009 5:07 PM

Didn't we see Faraday earlier in the season at the construction of the "Hatch"? So he must still be alive... right? If Radzinsky was building a scale model of the Hatch and worried that Sayid had seen it, it might mean it hasn't been built yet (or is under construction). Either way I'm sure we'll see more Faraday.

Now if they'd just explain what happened to Rose and Bernard, that is starting to annoy me. It's not like they were just extras (or NPC's as me and my gamer geek friends refer to them), but they were semi-major characters (they had flash-back episodes at least). So they better explain what became of them! (pretty please)

I also vote for Hurley's "Uh... what?" as the best line of the episode.

Posted by: canology at March 23, 2009 5:29 PM

I rarely dip my toes into the commenter waters, but:

@canology: We did see Faraday earlier in the season, but the construction site was the excavation of the frozen time wheel at what would become the Orchid station. So while I'm sure we'll see him again, I'm still not sure how/where/when/"when."

Okay, as you were.

Posted by: Daniel Carlson at March 23, 2009 6:11 PM

As to whether or not Ben remembers, as an adult, knowing some Losties as a kid, I think the answer has to be unequivocally yes. I haven't noticed that anyone else has mentioned this, but the first thing I remembered when I saw that Juliet was living with Dharma in 1977 was an episode from Season Three (I think -- could've been season two).

It's one that deals with Juliet's first three years on the island, through flashbacks. Remember she falls in love with that guy who's married to the therapist (and eventually infiltrates the tail-section people), and Ben freaks out, and then Juliet freaks out realizing that Ben is in love with her? And then the therapist, who is also pissed off with the situation, says (mysteriously), "Of course Ben's in love with you!! You look JUST LIKE HER?"

Does anyone else remember that?

Posted by: jkate at March 23, 2009 6:46 PM

...okay, I just checked on Lostpedia and that episode, "The Other Woman", is actually from last season. Carry on.

Posted by: jkate at March 23, 2009 6:53 PM

Cindy--I hate the idea that this is all course correction. It would be just as lame as "it was all a dream," completely making all the characters that were developed in the earlier seasons a waste of time. But I love the idea that Ben knew all the Losties before. So good.

Also, Mercutio was probably Harold Perrineau's best role. In fact, he was the best part of that whole movie.

Posted by: kelsy at March 23, 2009 6:58 PM

For my last comment of the evening, I would like to express my totall surprise that a good haircut and a buttoned shirt could have transformed Frank Lapidis into such a fox.

Scraggly Hawaiian-shirt-wearing Lapidis: ew. Clean-cut, pilot's-uniform Lapidis: YOWZA.

Posted by: jkate at March 23, 2009 7:07 PM

And then the therapist, who is also pissed off with the situation, says (mysteriously), "Of course Ben's in love with you!! You look JUST LIKE HER?"

Wow, you're right. And I completely forgot about it.

It's what I love about these threads: they keep pointing out things I've forgotten from the past seasons. One day I'm gonna have a blast re-watching this show from the beginning. As it is, I've re-watched maybe one or two episodes.

Posted by: figgy at March 23, 2009 7:47 PM

I wonder if any of the others has run into Baby Ben. I'd love to see that played out.

Posted by: figgy at March 23, 2009 7:51 PM

Nice 30 Rock reference.

Is it time for Binky? And, by Binky, I mean 70's porn.

Posted by: Coltaine at March 23, 2009 8:19 PM

Kolby, you must have me confused with someone else. I do appreciate the sentiment though.

Kelsy, I really think it would be cool as shit. Imagine the main characters of Lost, all this time thinking they were sort of victims of circumstance - and slowly over the rest of this season and the next season, realizing that they were in some ways architects of all the events we've seen them go through thus far. What if they find out some of them have played a great part in the island history (Sawyer)? What if one of them is the cause of Ben being the whacko that he is? What if Sayid is the cause of all the violent ways of the Others? Remember when Ben sent the Others to go make a list of the 815 passengers - maybe it's because he was looking specifically for some of them? All the files he had on everyone? Why is Ben quiet about everything he knows? I think certain players (Ben, Widmore, maybe Christian) know everything as it was supposed to happen. Maybe Ben and Widmore think they can break rules and affect the course correction in some way. I don't know - I certainly don't have it all worked out or think it necessarily makes sense. But I think it would be cool as shit if we all find out these people we thought we knew, are different people entirely. I feel like that picture Christian showed Sun was a huge clue.

Since Ben was technically Dharma, and he managed to save himself from the Purge, I don't have a problem understanding that Ethan made it. Whomever was leader of the Others at that time likely decided who could be "converted", or maybe who would be useful to them.

Posted by: Cindy at March 23, 2009 8:26 PM

I remember that jkate. I assumed he referred to Annie.

Posted by: Cindy at March 23, 2009 8:28 PM

re: Ethan surviving.
If the theory that Sayid becomes leader of the Others, or at least a high-ranking member, is true, maybe Sayid just kinda...takes him? Ascertains that he lives? Because he knows he will. Especially if he talks to Daniel or gets the time-travel rules from Sawyer; Sayid's a badass, but he'd be respectful of the rules, I think. He'd understand. Maybe it's just a loop, like Dan telling Charlotte not to come back.
A lot of conjecture there, though.

Posted by: Kyle at March 24, 2009 1:11 AM

I agree the Jack/Sawyer scene with its shift in dynamic was extremely strong, although I did question how Sawyer gets off being so condescending with his high and mighty methods of contemplation. He was equally and in fact much more "reactive" than Jack back in the early days on the island. Shooting the marshal non-fatally thus forcing Jack to clean up the mess, chasing after a boar, chasing after a tree frog, stubbornly pretending he had vital medicine for the sake of his pride, hoarding the guns (one of the stupider plot turns in the show's history - "long con" my ass), fake-kidnapping Sun (one of the few even stupider plot turns in the show's history)...I could go on for a while with Sawyer's reactive, non-thinking stupidity. And, yes, I'm a fan of Sawyer and his arc.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 24, 2009 3:31 AM

I remember that jkate. I assumed he referred to Annie.

I always assumed that the therapist meant Juliet looked like Ben's mom. Don't therapists always assume boys are in love with their mommies and girls with their daddies?

Posted by: DeadBessie at March 24, 2009 9:25 AM

Well yes Bessie, but that's just frakkin' icky.

Posted by: Cindy at March 24, 2009 9:29 AM

Plus Ben never knew his mother, except for that time they met in the forest and she was a ghost.

Posted by: jkate at March 24, 2009 9:47 AM

Thirding or fourthing that Faraday is crazy Eddie in the heady and still in '77.
Jack totally fucked up calling LaFleur James.
The Sawyer-Jack verbal smackdown sounds good when you first hear it but is ridiculous. How can you chide someone for "just reacting" when their plane crashes on a tropical island with a gigantic invisible/smoke monster, polar bears, creepy natives trying to kill/kidnap you, weird hatches, and a french death transmission?

I thought the P.A. who couldn't keep still was Claire, they just didn't have the actual actress there to show her face. And I'm assuming Sun and Frank are in the course-corrected future. Cause what happened, happened, right?

Posted by: Stew at March 24, 2009 10:45 AM

Sorry, cindy, that's just the first place my brain went to when I heard that line.

I always thought of Ben as being obsessed with that image of his mother in the woods, and that he built up some kind of fantasy around her, since his childhood was so crappy and his father was such an ass.

I coulda sworn I saw the smoke monster enter the cabin with Sun and Frank and Christian--there's a high wind, and the door blows open, and it looked to me like the monster snuck in, along the ceiling. Maybe it took form afterwards, and that's the face you see.

I agree that Jack was positively giddy with relief that Sawyer was in charge now. If I remember right, Jack never wanted to be in charge in the first place. And I agree with Stew, Jack did the best he could given the insane circumstances. It wasn't like Sawyer was a lot of help then either, hoarding medicine and guns and chasing after boars because they peed on his stuff.

Posted by: DeadBessie at March 24, 2009 11:52 AM

Clearly part of the issues between Jack and Sawyer are the women, so that is a whole underlying subtext beneath everything. Meanwhile I see Sawyer, in his aggressiveness toward Jack, as just trying to maintain some kind of control. In the past, Jack would often come away from a situation that others weren't aware of, tell the rest of the group they had to do this or that, and give little or no explanation. Sawyer has now had time to figure his way through a situation he was thrown into, and he's had some success in establishing some sense of order - even if he was just reacting to a situation himself. Now here returns Jack, and I think Sawyer just wants to make sure he isn't thrown back into the role of just blindly doing what Jack tells the group to do. The situation is reversed in that Sawyer is now the one with more information, and I think Sawyer feels that he's earned his own respect. I don't think Jack ever treated Sawyer with any respect.

Posted by: Cindy at March 24, 2009 12:15 PM

You part about Kate looking at Sawyer when she gets out of the Dharma van? What the hell are you smoking?

Posted by: Sawyerfan at March 24, 2009 6:42 PM

I have also been wondering,

Where the HELL are Rose and Bernard???

They were on the beach time flashing, and then poof! They're gone. I hope they're okay.

Posted by: Norwego at March 24, 2009 8:37 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if Rose and Bernard are with the Others. The Others always seemed willing to absorb others into their ranks (like Ben, Ethan, Cindy the Flight Attendant, etc.). Next time someone goes into the Others' camp (which I'm sure will happen eventually) we'll probably see Rose and Bernard just kinda hangin' out.

Posted by: Kyle at March 24, 2009 9:01 PM

I think Rose and Bernard are in the Others camp, if for no other reason, to give us a relatable character(s) to narrate the Others-centric episode that's bound to air before the series ends, explaining their backstory and mechanisms without revealing too much.

Posted by: Canadian LOST scribe at March 25, 2009 3:21 AM

I think that Sun stayed in the present for the same reason as Ben - because they are both already in the 1977 Dharma camp.

We met young Ben in this episode, and my money is on Sun being Pierre Chang's baby. This could also explain why Charlotte's body stayed behind in the final time flash (if, of course, that really was her waving at Daniel).

Posted by: Herogram at March 25, 2009 5:45 AM

I think that Sun stayed in the present for the same reason as Ben - because they are both already in the 1977 Dharma camp.
We met young Ben in this episode, and my money is on Sun being Pierre Chang's baby.

Herogram, I really like that theory. I have been saying all along that I thought Miles would turn out to be the baby Chang, but that does work... But then why not Lapidus?

Posted by: KarmaDarling at March 25, 2009 8:47 AM

The Sun as Pierre Chang baby theory makes a lot of sense and when you consider that Sun's (adopted?) father in Korea knows and does business with Widmore, it becomes even more plausible. I hope that explanation is wrong, but I've got to admit it would explain a lot.

Lapidus didn't rapture for a different reason. He wasn't on the Oceanic flight. That could also explain Ben remaining on the Ajira flight. And Locke didn't rapture because he was dead?

Posted by: ed newman at March 25, 2009 12:19 PM

If Ben does indeed remember all the 815ers from his childhood, then another question arises: Why was he so shocked when he found out that Jin was alive? That was a pivitol moment in "The Life and Death..." I wonder if that was a shift that will need to be corrected (maybe that's why Sun isn't there, maybe she and Jin are supposed to be together first?) or maybe it was a signal for Ben that a certain event had taken place and it was now time for him to move on to a new phase in his plan? My brain hurts.

Posted by: DurgaDharma at March 25, 2009 8:58 PM

"If certain people from the original Oceanic 815 flight had been on the island before, how do they eventually leave, with no memory of their time there, in order to have lives off the island that results in them coming back?"

They don't need to because they are their 2008 selves trapped in 1977. Their 1977 selves are elsewhere off island, doing whatever they did in 1977. They'd have no memory of being on the island in 1977 because their original 1977 selves were never on the island. When they leave, they will remember their time in both 1977 and during the time they crashed because that 'version' of themselves existed in both times.

"People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... timey wimey... stuff." -- Dr. Who; Season 3, Episode 10: "Blink"

Posted by: Eric Bumpus at March 27, 2009 8:44 PM

In fact, I believe Daniel Faraday is wrong. In Dr. Who, there is what's concrete and there is what is in flux.

The Losties in 1977 are in flux. They are 're-writing' history as it happens. They aren't "changing" history, per se. But, they are re-writing it.

Some things can be changed, while other things cannot. The ending for the most recent episode causes some curiosity for this issue and how the writers are playing out events.

Posted by: Eric Bumpus at March 27, 2009 8:50 PM

I doubt anyone is still checking this thread, but here are my observations anyway:

1) I agree that Sun and Ben didn't go back because they are already there (and that Sun is Chang's baby)

2) I think it's now all but given that "Christian" is Smokey - seeing the trees move and then seeing Christian is too much of a coincidence

3) I agree that Ben does remember everyone and that's why he requested them specifically in season 2 (well, that and the fact that those are the main characters, so there was little choice in who he'd pick)

4) I think the "incident" at the swan was caused by the 816ers trying to get out of the past - maybe even a joint effort with Sun and Ben in the present. I think they succeed with the exception of 2 of them who stay behind (heroically?) and become "Adam and Eve" from season 1

5) In season 2, when we first meet Ben (as Henry Gale), we know that he lied to Locke about entering the numbers (because the hatch didn't blow at that time). I think Ben/the Others knew about the Swan but allowed Radzinsky and Kelvin (and later Desmond) to stay there unmolested because they knew that the numbers had to be entered to keep the Island's power in check.

Just my 2 cents.

Posted by: cmr at March 30, 2009 11:30 AM

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