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The Five Most Offensive Fat People Movies


A Seriously Random List / Dustin Rowles

Seriously Random Lists | July 6, 2009 | Comments (88)


The success of obesity movies has always been as befuddling to me as the Republicans’ poor conservative base, which has a tendency to vote against its economic interests. Likewise, 65 percent of America is overweight, and 31 percent are obese, yet it’s many of those same people who turn out to see movies mocking similarly sized people. I don’t really understand it — it’s either self-deprecation by proxy or a nationwide lack of self-awareness. How can an one overweight person, shoveling gobs of popcorn into his maw, laugh at another obese person who just fell through a wooden student desk? I don’t get it; perhaps it’s the same compulsion that makes me want to see movies about pretentious douchebags. But that’s another list for another day.

Today, we give you the five most offensive movies about obese people.


5. Wall-E: I’m actually on the fence about whether Wall-E is offensive to obese people. It does suggest that, in the future, we’ll all look like Wal-Mart Supercenter customers in Tulsa, and that the slothful gluttony of overweight people will ultimately result in the demise of our planet. But the overweight people aren’t really a punchline; they’re a warning of the dangers of overconsumption. You could argue that obese people are larger consumers than average-weight Americans, but that’s actually debatable. And I don’t think the message is that obesity will kill the planet; I think the message is that greedy corporations are killing the planet by cultivating overconsumption. But I included it on this list in either respect, but it’s at least worth discussing.


4. Bridget Jones’ Diary: This could easily top this list, if you have a healthy sense of moral outrage. Because the reason why Bridget Jones’ Diary is so offensive is because Bridget Jones isn’t actually overweight, at least by any reasonable person’s definition. Renee Zellwegger actually had to gain 50 pounds to look like a normal human being, and then spends half the goddamn movie bitching about how overweight she is. Sister, please. In a way, it’s worse than fashion magazines, which offer an unachievable allusion: Bridget Jones gives people of average weight a bad sense of self identity. Except for the part where she ends up with Colin Firth, which suggests only that Jane Austen wasn’t overly concerned with the weight of her heroine.


3. Shallow Hal: This is another movie that’s actually doubly offensive, because it purports to offer some sort of sympathetic insight into a fat person’s psyche, all the while suggesting that beauty is on the inside, and beauty is, of course, exemplified by a rail-thin Gwyneth Paltrow. The audience is comfortable with the notion that obesity is OK, so long as they understand that Paltrow is underneath the fat suit. I wonder how well the conceit would’ve worked if they’d actually cast an honest-to-goodness overweight person — is it not tenable to suggest that an overweight person could actually be beautiful on the outside, too?

2. Paul Blart: Mall Cop: Take out the fat jokes in Paul Blart, and you’ve got a 45-second movie. Worse, there’s nothing really redeeming about his obesity, except for the punchlines. Paul Blart is a pathetic mall cop; Paul Blart is fat. Ergo, fat equals pathetic. And though he manages to save the day in the end, he does so despite his obesity, and not because of it. How empowering. And why is it that Hollywood wants us to believe that overweight people are the only ones who fart? You know what’s really gaseous? Beans, vegetables, and fiber-rich foods, which is to say that flatulence is not related to how much you eat, but what you eat.

1. Norbit: Norbit is a perfect illustration of the double standard Americans have toward obesity. Fat man = funny. Skinny man dressed as a fat woman = funny. Skinny woman disguised as a fat woman = funny. Fat woman playing a fat woman? Abso-fucking-lutely not. Norbit manages to hit every crass fat joke in the book, plus half the African-American jokes (and a few Asian ones), but it’s allegedly funny because Rasputina isn’t actually fat. It’s just a perfectly fit Eddie Murphy in a fat suit. I’d have liked to have seen the audience reaction if Mo’Nique had been cast. Or better yet, if they’d cast Camryn Manheim in the role, and put her through the Kirk Lazerus treatment. The lesson in offensiveness: Fat women are hilarious, as long as they’re not actually fat, because that’s just gross. Oh, and fuck Eddie Murphy.


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Comments

Wal-Mart Supercenter customers in Tulsa


you asshole! we don't all shop at wal-mart!
*heads to target*

Posted by: gp at July 6, 2009 4:07 PM

And there's the BBW Personals ad.

Oh ad bots....you couldn't write some of what you come up with.

Posted by: Jay at July 6, 2009 4:09 PM

My wife loves Norbit. It is a burning ember of shame in my marriage that I share a bed with a woman who laughs at Rasputina, stuck in her car.

*sigh*

Posted by: Snath at July 6, 2009 4:10 PM

Word on Bridget Jones, a movie that was so offensive is so many ways.

It's not a movie, but there used to be a detective show called "Jake and the Fat Man" (I kid you not younger Pajibans). What could be more offensive than not even naming one of your two main characters or alluding to his brain power or any other characteristic, just: The Fat Man.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 6, 2009 4:14 PM

Wait...So Renee Zellweger was supposed to be fat? Really? Ummmm...sure.

I'll agree with all the other movies, but I kinda disagree with adding Wall-E to the list. Okay, granted, their fat, but it is because of overconsumption and/or cupcakes in a cup. That, and let's face it, they're cartoonishly fat. It's not like real life fat.

Oh, and Snath: For shame dude. SHAME! But your daughter is a fucking rocker, so I hold no grudge for the Norbit love.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at July 6, 2009 4:19 PM

What about Love, Actually? The assistant Hugh Grant fell for was constantly lampooned for her weight, even by her family (they called her 'plumpy'). She reminded me of Kate Winslet; a woman that you're glad to see with curves, otherwise she would look sickly.

Posted by: Brie at July 6, 2009 4:21 PM

As much as I like to take a good swipe at the Wal-Mart set I don't think Wall-E qualifies as offensive to fatsos, if anything it was a story of empowerment.

Should have put all the cheap shot Nutty Professor flicks there.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 6, 2009 4:21 PM

The issue in Wall*E is as much one of protracted periods in a reduced-gravity environment as anything else. Bone mass has been proven to deteriorate over time with long space missions. And yes, the society is one devoted to gluttony, too.

I don't think they're making fun of fat people at all. Not one bit.

Besides, the people in Wall*E are a collective fall-guy for the protagonists.

Where's that Big Mamma shit?

Posted by: ahamos at July 6, 2009 4:27 PM

Throw in Muriel's Wedding too as it commits the same sins as Bridget Jones

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 6, 2009 4:28 PM

My wife loves Norbit.

Well, now we know why the little one tossed "you're fucking dirt, anyway" at her (although I'm still unclear as to the context of the insult).

Posted by: Vermillion at July 6, 2009 4:30 PM

Oh God Brie, I get so pissed off with that storyline in Love Actually. That girl is so cute, and all they can talk about is her fat ass. Makes me want to choke a bitch with Gwyneth Paltrow's sternum.

Posted by: Julie at July 6, 2009 4:31 PM

As a fat sack, I don't have a problem with WALL-E or Shallow Hal. Along with everything you said about WALL-E, it's also the progression of bodies in low-gravity for 700 years.

Shallow Hal at least had the decency to have a fat woman act like a fat woman - i.e. ashamed of it. Even if she was in a fat suit, she wasn't a caricature. The scene where Hal first meets her and is making jokes because he doesn't see her for her actual size, and she's flinching and taking it? Yes. That is pretty much what it's like to be fat. To take it. Because you're fat, and you deserve to be treated like shit by any random person who needs a laugh.

I just love the movies where the fat woman is a big ol' punchline for the man who's got to give up all his dignity and brace himself for the horror of fucking her. And of course she's hideously groteseque and completely insane, because she's confident of her sex appeal, having apparantly never, ever compared herself to other thin, beatuiful people and found anything wanting.

Yes, praise Hollywood, where all fat women are morbidly obese deluded nutjobs who honestly believe they're actually in the competition for a normal-looking guy.

And praise Hollywood, where even the schlubbiest guy can guarantee he'll get a chick nine times hotter than there is any logical reason for.

Posted by: twig at July 6, 2009 4:32 PM

"Throw in Muriel's Wedding too as it commits the same sins as Bridget Jones"


Except that Muriel's wedding is funny and Brisget Jones' Diary is decidedly NOT.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 6, 2009 4:33 PM

As Pajiba's resident fat girl, I never saw anything offensive about Wall-E. The fat people weren't punchlines, and they didn't throw in one miraculously skinny person to help Wall-E and EVE save the day.

However, some folks in the fat acceptance movement did get their panties in a wad. I'd ignore them, however, since too many of the loudmouths involved are the kind of people on the hunt for something to get them a little extra attention.

As for the rest of the list, I refuse to even watch any of those movies. I don't find it funny, and I vote with my wallet. Not that I've got enough of a wallet for anyone to notice.

Posted by: Tyburn Blossom at July 6, 2009 4:34 PM

Actually, when they use actual obese people, it's usually damned depressing. You know, like Gilbert Grape or Bowling for Columbine...

Posted by: superEdna at July 6, 2009 4:37 PM

My wife loves Norbit. It is a burning ember of shame in my marriage that I share a bed with a woman who laughs at Rasputina, stuck in her car.

*sigh*

Posted by: Snath at July 6, 2009 4:10 PM

My wife loves Medea, and all of those sad sad brain-damaged slobs on Clean House. I love her so, but...

I feel your pain.
~
And praise Hollywood, where even the schlubbiest guy can guarantee he'll get a chick nine times hotter than there is any logical reason for.

King of Queens, Still Standing, and According to Jim, especially.
~

Posted by: Meander at July 6, 2009 4:40 PM

Count me in with the people who thought Renee Z looked normal as Bridget Jones, and not fat at all. I also thought the PM's assistant in Love Actually was cute and normal sized, and not plumpy at all. What is wrong with people?

Posted by: BWeaves at July 6, 2009 4:40 PM

I just love the movies where the fat woman is a big ol' punchline for the man who's got to give up all his dignity and brace himself for the horror of fucking her.

Oh that reminds me: can we add Why Did I Get Married? as well? The way Jill Scott's character was treated in that movie was just shameful.

Posted by: Vermillion at July 6, 2009 4:41 PM

I only thought Wall-E was offensive to the obese/overweight population when the ending proudly exclaimed, "Look, fatty! Put down the milkshake and move your fucking legs! See how quick you become thin by not eating anything and walking a little? Why can't you do that? All obese people need to follow our advice, as this is the ultimate solution to every possible cause of excess body fat in humans. Why are you still eating, fatty? Huh? HUH?!? You're clearly only fat because you've given up on life and don't move unless you absolutely have to You disgust me."

Or maybe I read too much into it.

Posted by: Robert at July 6, 2009 4:52 PM

I never read the book the Bridget Jones movie was based on, nor did I see any of the trailers, so when I found myself actually watching it, I was confused by her constant self-criticism and self-loathing over her weight.

I kept thinking "wait, is she supposed to be fat? Maybe in England that's fat and here, that's just, well, normal to thin?"

Then later in the movie I realized no, she really is supposed to think she's OBESE.

Wow. It was weird.

And I'll never get that minute and a half back from watching that horrid Norbit trailer.

I watched Shallow Hall with a friend who happens to be about 300 pounds and is 5'2". She started to cry halfway through the movie and we decided to do something else. Yeah, great flick. Awesome. By the way, unattractive women, not just fat women, get pounded pretty badly in that movie, too.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 6, 2009 4:55 PM

I actually liked Shallow Hal. I know it's considered one of Jack Black's worst films, but I like it. It was funny seeing the resident hot girl as an old crone because that what Hal saw her as on the inside.

Yeah, Bridget Jones was hardly fat. Half the women I know own a pair of those "scary stomach holding in knickers" and weigh less than she did in the film.

Vermillion, I agree on Why Did I Get Married. The weird thing is that for a Tyler Perry movie, it's actually one of his better films. That couple in particular (Jill Scott & her hubby) looked like they were just recycled from any other TP film: loving, devoted wife (and a Christian, of course) who is being ruined by her asshole, selfish, wealthy and disrespectful hubby, only for the wife to meet a kind, gracious Christian blue collar gentleman.

Posted by: Brie at July 6, 2009 4:56 PM

The lingerie from Shallow Hal reminds me of HOW MUCH I HATE FUCKING VICTORIA'S SECRET. Unfortunately, their bras are the only ones I can find that don't make me feel like my ribs are trying to punch their way out of my side. I try to go in there only once or twice a year and buy everything I need at once. In all the years I've been doing this, I've only had a sales rep ask if she could help me ONE TIME (and that's because I stood and stared at her just to see how long it would take her to acknowledge me). See, I'm a fairly big girl. I'm almost six feet tall, and I have a pretty large frame (though I'm only about ten pounds overweight). These little snots take one look at me and assume that there's no comission to be made since most of their stock won't fit me. If only they knew I'm about to drop at least $200 on new bras. So I've learned to dig through the little drawers they keep with the "big girl" bras and find my size by myself. Every time I go to check out and they ask, "Did anyone help you?" I quickly respond with a sweet, Southern smile and a, "Hell, no, but thank you for asking." You know, not to sound hoity toity, but someone needs to remind these twats that they are pushing 30 and working in an overpriced underwear store at the fucking mall.

Posted by: superEdna at July 6, 2009 4:56 PM

Wait. Big Momma's House? That may not have been offensive to fat people, but a little chunk of my soul was lost when Fat-Suit Martin Lawrence dunked a basketball.

And the goonies. The truffle shuffle scarred a generation of chubby children forever.


Posted by: Braski at July 6, 2009 5:02 PM

If media didn't perpetuate neuroses, how would they sell all of that "you think you need this but really don't" merchandise?

The system relies on a million neuroses that fundamentally make people discontent within their own skin. As a result, they go out and buy useless shit to compensate for this externally generated irrelevance.

Posted by: Recondite at July 6, 2009 5:03 PM

Yeah, Victoria's Secret can be depressing. I will never understand how thongs got to be so popular. I mean, I get it, but I can't believe the trend has held up this long.

Anne Hathaway in The Devil Wears Prada. Particularly when Miranda tells her she went against the grain, hiring the "smart fat girl." Later on, Andy (Anne) proudly tells her gay co-worker that she's dropped to a size 4. And of course she should be proud, considering she'd been a whale before at a size 6.

(sarcasm over)

In an interview, Anne Hathaway mentioned that despite the fun of filming TDWP, she and Emily Blunt were the "saddest little girls on the set" because they were so hungry and weren't allowed to eat anything so they would fit in the designer clothes. Their meals were set aside from the rest of the crew to make sure of that.

Posted by: Brie at July 6, 2009 5:05 PM

Every time I go to check out and they ask, "Did anyone help you?" I quickly respond with a sweet, Southern smile and a, "Hell, no, but thank you for asking."

I think the word "awesome" gets used a little too much these days, which cheapens it. But that? Is awesome.

Posted by: Todd at July 6, 2009 5:06 PM

SnuggiePants the etc.

The Bridget Jones book is equally bad and offensive. This time, there's no blaming the movie.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 6, 2009 5:06 PM

Posted by: Robert at July 6, 2009 4:52 PM

They didn't magically become thin just from moving. The only way that works is if you take the animated credits super-literally, which means you have to also accept that plants grow within seconds and building a structure takes less than a minute.

Plus, at least in the case of the ship's passengers, their lack of mobility (as seen in that they didn't even know there was a pool on board) WAS a direct cause of their particular case of obesity, exacerbated by the low gravity environs.

Posted by: Vermillion at July 6, 2009 5:08 PM

I actually got really upset watching Shallow Hal in the theater. We went with a bunch of people on Thanksgiving day.
Hearing all these people go "ewwww" when the fat girl is about to have sex . . . man, that will fuck with your head a little.
And she was a total punchline, I don't care if he fell in love with the "real" girl at the end. He was tricked into it.
I'm with twig and tyburn, fat men may be mocked in movies, but they aren't denied the rights to basic urges like fucking and eating. Fat girls get it doubly bad, I'm quite sorry to say.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon_ at July 6, 2009 5:09 PM

At first I was like, "How are you going to have a list of offensive fat people in movies, mention Shallow Hal, and yet not talk about Jack Black!?"

Posted by: Some Guy at July 6, 2009 5:10 PM

superEdna, have you tried the bras from Lane Bryant? While the clothes are frumpy as all hell, I deak in there about once a year solely for the bras (some of which are not hideous, all of which last forever).

Back on semi-topic, the girl in Love, Actually was insanely cute, and I just saw her on a Gordan Ramsay program where she was possibly even more adorable.

Posted by: PallasJay at July 6, 2009 5:10 PM

It's pretty hard to narrow down a list of five movies that are most offensive to overweight people, it'd probably be simpler to find five that are not offensive to overweight or unattractive or fucking NORMAL people.

I hate the media for convincing people that only thin beautiful people have sex or get married or have children. Hate to tell them but most people in this country are overweight and the vast majority of them are not virgins and are not perpetually partnerless.

I love dumb reality shows and I was watching Shot At Love with Tila Tequila (the second one i think) and for the first episode all the girls dressed up in little costumes - the two girls who didn't wear a size 6 or below, even though they were only slightly overweight if at all, were dressed as a pig and a cow. awwww. subtle amiright?

BTW - I am fat and im not a virgin, I even have a boyfriend, who isn't fat, so fuck you mass media.

Posted by: eden at July 6, 2009 5:13 PM

Among the many offenses in the utterly shitastic LOVE ACTUALLY, is the idea that the character played by Martine McCutcheon is fat, a point that is made repeatedly throughout the film.

She was far, far, far from fat.

Did I mention LOVE ACTUALLY is a cliched piece of shit, despite Bill Nighy's best efforts.

Yeah, that's really my only excuse for this post.

Posted by: Mohaski at July 6, 2009 5:14 PM

How about "In Her Shoes" where Toni Collette who is totally healthy and at most a size 8 or 10 is supposed to be that "pathetic" fat sister who only becomes happy once she drops the weight. That movie totally traumatized me. What the hell is Hollywood on?

Posted by: Valeria at July 6, 2009 5:15 PM

I have to admit that I like Bridget Jones' Diary. And yes it's ridiculous to see that Bridget considers herself fat and horrid, but upon reading the book I think I have a different perspective on that. Bear with me.

Briget is the ultimate Cosmo-chick. She buys all the lies and myths of stupid fashion magazines that tell her that if she doesn't weight 120lbs she's a fat slob. She has zero self-confidence because she's not perfectly model-thin. She thinks men leave her because she's fat and ugly. But I think that what Fielding (the author of the book) was going for was showing Bridget as an example of how stupid the fashion industry's standards are. Because she's obviously NOT fat, but she's bought all these lies so well that of course she has zero confidence even if she has Hugh Grant and Colin Firth lusting after her.

So while I think that whole "Bridget Jones is ME!" shit is stupid, I think Bridget is SUPPOSED to make us think "oh come on she's not fat at ALL and she needs to fucking stop reading stupid books and magazines". The only people who call her fat are herself and that stupid stick insect that Hugh Grant dates, and she's trying to make Bridget feel like shit. Same goes for the 'fat' girl in "Love, Actually". It's obvious she's not fat, and I don't think we're supposed to believe she is. Maybe. I could just be deluding myself because I love british romantic comedies.

So, I don't think it's as offensive as some people do. I actually really like the movie. Plus, Colin Firth is hot.

Posted by: figgy at July 6, 2009 5:15 PM

>Everyone mystified about the hate for PM's assistant in Love, Actually:

Did you see how skinny everyone else in that office was? Of course they'd call her "Thunder thighs."

I pretty much ignore that sort of humor. Thin people have always found fat people humorous in a cruel "I'm making myself feel better by mocking them" way. I console myself with the smug knowledge that, in spite of my fat ass, I'm still in better shape than most of those so-called "healthy-weighted" people.

Posted by: Minty at July 6, 2009 5:17 PM

I went to see Shallow Hal because it was my friend's turn to pick the movie. She has never been allowed to pick the movie again. To paraphrase genius, I hated is SOOOO much...it...it, the...it - flame, flames, FLAMES, on the side of my face...breathing, breathle...heaving breaths, heaving...

On the Bridget Jones front, the sequel is what really tore it for me. She's supposed to be the same character and the same amount of so-called-fat, yet RZ clearly gained more weight for the sequel than for the first film. So rather than even sticking with the ridiculousness of the 1st film (which, in the books, is more about her self-image than her actual size), they made the actress even bigger. Because if you're not a size 0, it's all the same, right?

And the movie sucked, too.

Posted by: elisamaza at July 6, 2009 5:20 PM

Anne Hathaway in The Devil Wears Prada. Particularly when Miranda tells her she went against the grain, hiring the "smart fat girl."

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You just hit on one of the two main reasons I fucking hate that film and the whole "fashionista" sub-culture/industry.
First of all I'm not even going to repeat my thoughts on the idiotic belief that fashion means ANYTHING, it doesn't.

Second, that sub-culture which is pretty clear is run by ugly women with body/mental health issues and women hating homosexuals, seems to hate and despise normal women who aren't a size zero, never mind those whom they consider "fat."

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at July 6, 2009 5:24 PM

Figgy:

I agree Colin Firth is hot. No argument there.

But the rest of your thesis falls down given that Fielding claims she was writing a "modern day version of Pride and Prejudice" and as such Bridget Jones is supposed to be the perceptive one who dosn't buy into all that Cosmo crap. In fact, she's quite self-confident: self confident in the book and film to wear completely inappropriate clothes for her job(s) and make quite cruel fun of the perceived dorkiness of Firth's character (I refuse to refer to him as Darcy because he was not anywhere close to that character). I would also ask if we're not supposed to believe she is not fat, why did Zellweger McSquishy face have to famously eat doughnuts for three months to gain weight for the part?

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 6, 2009 5:31 PM

Figgy, you expressed that perfectly. I was reading through the comments before I made my own and thank goodness I did because you said it for me (more articulately).

Posted by: amberlark at July 6, 2009 5:34 PM

B'Slim:

The odd thing is, if you look at a lot of the women running the fashion industry (magazines, couture sales, modeling agencies, etc.), there are a lot of hefty women in that business. The gay guys are all wafer thin, but it looks as if those who choose not to starve after age 25, spend quite a bit of time grazing at the buffet table at their oh-so-exclusive events.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 6, 2009 5:35 PM

Americans are so fucked up about weight and body issues, it seems kinda pointless to rag on movies that reflect how very fucked up we are. Yeah, they're offensive as shit, but apparently, people like making fun of fat people (esp. fat chicks), even if they are themselves fat.

Posted by: Slash at July 6, 2009 5:36 PM

But she DOES buy into all that crap, Paddy. Her entire book collection seems to be self-help books and women's magazines. She's constantly weighing herself and obsessing about her looks, trying to fit into size 2 dresses and being miserable when she can't. So while she is confident enough to have a pretty healthy sex life and to be all seductive and sexy, she's obviously completely fucked up about her self-image whenever something goes wrong for her. She's always going from "Woo! am sex goddess!" to "Oh I hate myself and I am fat".

And I would argue that Zellwegger, being part of the Hollywood machine, can't bring herself to admit that she looks better as Bridget than her usual stick-insect self. She can't very well say that Bridget isn't fat or keep the weight or say that all she had to do was eat normally and not starve herself to get that look, you know?

But I think most rational people know that Bridget isn't fat and can see that she just has a body-image problem brought on by all the stupid stuff she reads and sees on TV or whatever. The problem of course is that...well most people aren't rational and also buy into the Cosmo bullshit.

Posted by: figgy at July 6, 2009 5:51 PM

PaddyDog, although Fielding used P&P's plot, I don't think she intended for Bridget to "be" Elizabeth. I think the point is that even witty, attractive women suffer from a wealth of issues--issues about their body or relationships. Bridget always looks outside for the answers--in magazines, self help books and her equally clueless friends. By the end of the second book she becomes more like Elizabeth--more willing to trust herself. Who's to say even Elizabeth would be Elizabeth today--with all the crap we're fed from birth. I don't like to whine about the media--but I know a lot of amazing women who just can't see themselves as amazing. I don't think I know anyone who hasn't talked to herself the way Bridget does in her diary.

Posted by: amberlark at July 6, 2009 5:56 PM

All I can say is that anyone who doesn't look past the outside isn't worth the time of day. Half my family is unnaturally thin, the other half obese. It was completely luck of the draw for that to happen in the same family, but the way things have gone for the 'obese' side is a damn crime. Looks are just a lottery - nothing you can really take pride in, and rarely is it something you've 'done' to earn it. And if modern food had more...actual food in it, I'm pretty sure there'd be less trauma to those people who over consume.

I'd LOVE to see a movie like 'the player' that did a 'shallow hal' thing in which you got to see the souls of movie/fashion industry types in physical form.

Posted by: replica at July 6, 2009 6:23 PM

There is a Korean movie called 200lbs Beauty. Which for about 2/3 of the film seems to eventually be about coming to accept yourself for traits more than your looks. Then the movie veers into "are-you-fukkin-kidding-me-we-need-this-shit?!" territory and turns into a heartwarming story with the moral that if you're ugly or fat, people might still like you, but you should probably still get plastic surgery anyway, pretty up, and slim the fuck down.

Posted by: pianosolo at July 6, 2009 6:40 PM

There is a Korean movie called 200lbs Beauty. Which for about 2/3 of the film seems to eventually be about coming to accept yourself for traits more than your looks. Then the movie veers into "are-you-fukkin-kidding-me-we-need-this-shit?!" territory and turns into a heartwarming story with the moral that if you're ugly or fat, people might still like you, but you should probably still get plastic surgery anyway, pretty up, and slim the fuck down.

Posted by: pianosolo at July 6, 2009 6:41 PM

Figgy> Then there was that bit in the middle, when she DID lose a chunk of weight. She went to a party or something and everybody there kept asking her if she had been sick, and telling her she looked guant, and she was all 'But I'm thin! You're supposed to be saying I look hot!'.
Then she got bored because she was the only one not drinking, because of her diet, and left early.
I think she then had an epiphany (or her friends gave her an intervention?) and realised she looked more like the women in the magazines, but a) it didn't look good and b) she was boring.

So she went on a bender. Which Elizabeth Bennet totally would have done, had Jane Austin any idea of the wonders of vodka.

Posted by: ScienceGeek at July 6, 2009 6:54 PM

That's strange that I just watched Bridget Jones Diary for the first time today. I couldn't get over the fact that most jokes were about her weight and she was not fat. (aside from one part of the movie where something negative happens at her desk and the word "fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuck" appeared on the screen. That was damn funny.)

Same problem with "Run Fatboy Run". Who exactly was fat one?!?! WHO DAMN IT!

Posted by: Heathen at July 6, 2009 6:54 PM

*I'm assuming you're imagining me screaming this a-la Shatner in Wrath...*WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAL-EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Nadine at July 6, 2009 7:03 PM

'Circle of Friends" anyone?
"Beef to the heels" is how Minnie Drivers character describes herself. Now I know that the point of the film was that she really was beautiful, just the way she was, but speaking as a 5'8" size 12 with DD's, did we really need a telethon in movie form? Is my self loathing not enough?

Posted by: Lindsey at July 6, 2009 7:20 PM

Also, Heathen, I think with Run,Fatboy,Run, the joke got lost a little because as we allknow, Pegg had gotten uber buff for Hot Fuzz so they just tacked on a cheap little 'belly' and left it at that. But also it was more his attitude that was 'fat(read Lazy)

In Bridget Jones...eh, I never watched it, I hate the whole Pride and Predjudice thing(not the concept, just the story and every variation thereon, its so fucking dull...though P&P and Zombies is pretty entertaining)
As for offensive Fat Movies, aye, I'll admit to being one to sneer at the incredibly large people in our world, in my nastier moments, but I agree its horrible how larger people are treated in the media, in TV shows and Films they're just a joke or cause for debate, House has done it twice, once with a fat ten year old, once with a man so large he was trapped in his own home.


The thing is though, I agree with an article I read recently where the writer said heavyweight stars like Beth Ditto and that kid from Superbad should be reprimanded as much as the size zero celebs as they too promote an unhealthy body image.

Being fat shouldn't be a cause for ridicule. It's just fucking petty.

Posted by: Nadine at July 6, 2009 7:20 PM

Why isn't Chris Farley on this list? He was fat and I found him offensive.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 6, 2009 7:57 PM

I never took Wall-E to be that offensive towards fat/obese people. When you're in space, your bones lose density and your body swells exponentially, as was explained in the movie. Yes, the corporation gamut ran the spaceship and everything, but it's coupled because of the bone density loss. This is why there's extensive training before putting people out in space, because it's like, so I've heard, an extreme case of the "bendies."

So there's a social commentary about how mass consumption will ruin your life if you allow corporations to take hold of it, but don't forget simple laws of nature to prove a point. :P

Also, I hated Shallow Hal because only ugly, fat people do charity work or are in the Peace Corps amirite?

Posted by: duckandcover at July 6, 2009 8:03 PM

because of the bone density loss

*coupled WITH the bone density loss

Posted by: duckandcover at July 6, 2009 8:05 PM

Republicans’ poor conservative base, which has a tendency to vote against its economic interests.
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They should instead vote for the people who are going to fuck them blind on, just for instance, cap and trade? Wait till they see their electric bills.

FWIW, I signed petitions for four Libertarian candidates today, so I'm feeling contrarian.

Hey, there's a party I'd join: The Contrarian Party. Who's with me?

Our slogan: Whatever it is, I'm against it.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at July 6, 2009 8:14 PM

Figgy--I am SO with you! I really like Bridget Jones, too. I agree, Bridget is NOT fat, nor should she think so. I won't repeat what other defenders have said, but I guess what appeals to me is the sense of awkwardness that pervades throughout the movie. For me, the humor is in laughing/cringing at Bridget's many faux pas at work and in life, because I can see myself forgetting my boss's name or blurting out something inappropriate at the wrong time.

And, really, I know so many individuals who have criticized their body at one point in their lives. Bridget symbolizes that self-deluded individual who hasn't realized that being thin or with a handsome man isn't going to make her happy. Only SHE can make herself happy (and, granted, the movie doesn't quite attain that concept, but I let it slide). I guess I'm just surprised the Nutty Professor films or Big Momma's House didn't make it on the list. I find those incredibly offensive and tasteless.

Posted by: bonnie at July 6, 2009 8:20 PM

I'll give you guys the bone density/bodies falling apart in space thing. We know that's fact.

I will not back down on the ham-fistedness of that final sequence. I'm sorry, if they can magically repair generations of humans who became obese by adaptation since a chair moved them everywhere and milkshakes never stopped flowing by having them plant a garden and resettle earth, then the human body's restorative powers from a lifetime of never using said bones and muscles are incredible; quite possibly, this evaluation is beyond the reach of science.

I'll go one further: It's a Pixar/Disney film. Pixar's tend to be a bit smarter, but I don't think the actual scientific explanation was ever broached in any clear way in the film. What is shown is good old-fashioned Disney magic, in which a group of people who never had to stand on their own two feet before miraculous learn to walk, run, plant, lift, build, and resettle planet earth. And if they can toss out a message that the clear path to overcoming debilitating obesity is to move. To me, it was pretty damn clear that the man leading the resettlement of Earth was supposed to be the same person throughout the sequence: the captain.

This is the company that thought killing all the principal characters over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and then miraculously bringing them all back to life again and again was wholesome family entertainment; for me, Finding Nemo is still one of the most horrifying films I've ever seen. The only one to even come close in recent memory was Jesus Camp, and I felt too much for those children and their parents to truly stand on the brink of the abyss.

Feels good to get back to a golden rant on a topic I really don't care either way about. However, since my over the top dry violent wit doesn't always translate, we once again find ourselves at this crossroad. After all, some of you are the same people who said I wanted Jessica Simpson to win an Oscar because I thought Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning was an entertaining and pretty well made film for what it was.

Posted by: Robert at July 6, 2009 9:36 PM

"5'8" size 12 with DD's"

Uh-huh. Say, Lindsey I do believe you have internalized some fairly negative messages about your size and shape. We here at Bullet Enterprises are committed to helping you . . . recontexualize your self-image. We have several mental and physical, oh, let's call them "exercises," that I believe will put you on the road to mental, emotional and physical (especially physical) satisfaction. Perhaps I could send you one of our informative brochures, but I'm concerned that your "self-loathing," to use your term, is such that you require hours of intensive personal sessions. Rest assured, however, that your Bullet Enterprises Contentedness Coach(TM) will work with you just as long and as hard as we determine is necessary to ensure that you are completely satisfied.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 6, 2009 9:41 PM

Lindsey I'm 5'7", a size 14 and 42 DDs all the way.

I think I'm fabulous. But it took nearly all of my 38 years to come to that conclusion. When I was a size SIX and emaciated, I was convinced I was fat. I can't believe that now. I want to go back in time and kick my skinny ass for ever thinking that.

Anyone who can't see past my slightly chunky frame isn't worthy of my time or attention. I love what replica said about looks. Amen.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 6, 2009 10:01 PM

Shallow Hal remains to this day the only movie I have ever walked out of because it was so offensive. And I don't walk out of movies. I sat through Van Helsing for fuck's sake.

Not only because the very concept of "inner beauty" could only be represented by willowy blonde Gwyneth, not a normal sized or even overweight lady, but also because it was an unfunny piece of shit. Fuck that movie in its stupid ass.

Posted by: MG at July 6, 2009 10:34 PM

The only time I ever even remotely liked the look of Rene Welzipper was in Bridget Jones. And it bugged the shit out of me that she was deemed "fat".
Also, John Candy was brilliant without ever having to resort to fat jokes. God I miss him.

Posted by: Odnon at July 6, 2009 11:36 PM

Yeah, simple conservative poor people....actually want to work for their living instead of taking a government handout. Goddamn! Why wont they just sit on welfare and wait for the glorious democrats t bail em out. To bad, they're just missing the O-bailout revolution. If only teh founding fathers were more like welfare recipients.. how great we could have been. Enjoy your white guilt with a side of smug indignation Rowles.

Posted by: Jack Random at July 6, 2009 11:39 PM

Lindsey I'm 5'7", a size 14 ...

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 6, 2009 10:01 PM
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That would put the snug pants on the snuggiepants, all right.

I kid! I kid! I kid because I love! I think you're fabulous too! I'd do you in a heartbeat, I really would. Which brings me to the point that from a mature (shaddup) man's perspective, I wish I'd learned as a young'un to admire women more in ALL their shapes and forms and to have been somewhat less picky, cause I'd probably have gotten laid a whole hell of a lot more if I'd been willing to overlook ...

Ah, I'm so full of shit sometimes. I'd have screwed a vacuum cleaner attachment if it winked at me. I wasn't picky at all. Tall, short, skinny, round, I didn't care. I was just mercenary that way.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at July 7, 2009 1:25 AM

I love you people. I think this may be the only place on the internet that isn't part of the "fatosphere" in which I've read a thoughtful discussion about (and tangential to) fat people on film. I wish I had the time to be an Eloquent. (Anyone wanna come watch my kids so I can spend more time on the internet?)

Posted by: Erin MJ at July 7, 2009 1:35 AM

Allright, where the fuck is Big Mommas House?

Posted by: George at July 7, 2009 4:01 AM

I don't remember anyone saying that Norbit was funny.

Posted by: Samantha at July 7, 2009 6:39 AM

Why do these discussions always turn into girls talking about their DDs? If you have them, great. If you don't, great. If you're really that comfortable with yourself and think you have a great body, then why do you feel a need to defend it? Or even go so far as to brag about it? As a thin girl, if I were to talk that way about my body, people would find it gross or that I have no social graces or that I'm conceited or something. But apparently it's empowering when a bigger girl does it?

Posted by: b at July 7, 2009 9:22 AM

I'm not saying Bridget Jones, Love Actually et al are great movies, but it's a big stretch to say they are offensive to fat people just because they present "normal-sized women" complaining about being fat.

I know a lot of normal sized women and girls who struggle with body issues and are dissatisfied with their weight. You may fault society for perpetrating these unrealistic concepts of female beauty but don't shoot the messenger just because a film about a middle-aged British woman depicts her constantly trying to lose 20 pounds and getting down on herself because of it. That's not offensive that's relatable. Hell, I could stand to lose 20 pounds and I'm an average looking dude in my late 20's. Metabolism is a bitch.

If you problem is the lack of full-figured actresses in Hollywood I'd say again that it is a systemic problem, not an offense you can single out BJD for.

Posted by: Yossarian at July 7, 2009 9:31 AM

Also, I hated "Shallow Hal" because only ugly, fat people do charity work or are in the Peace Corps amirite?

duckandcover, word. I hated this movie for a lot of reasons, and as a pretty, slender person, I found the suggestion that any woman who isn't plain and/or overweight was an ugly, hateful, wretched hag on the inside pretty freaking offensive as well as the other other implications about fat people.

Oh, no! I'm a size 4! I must be a horrible, superficial minion of Anna Wintour! I must be a raging bitch that constantly makes fun of anyone bigger than me! I must stop going to the gym and feeling any compulsion to keep my stomach and upper arms toned because that's so SHALLOW. OH GOD! I TAKE money FROM charities and use them to buy myself more skinny bitch stuff! If only I was FAT, I could actually be NICE. SIZE 4's HAVE NO SOULS.

Posted by: HB at July 7, 2009 9:45 AM

yes who will think of the thin people

those poor, thin, beautiful people.

Posted by: twig at July 7, 2009 10:28 AM

"it’s worse than fashion magazines, which offer an unachievable allusion"

ILLUSION, Dustin...

Posted by: Armando at July 7, 2009 10:41 AM

Heh. Yeah, twig, I guess it does look like lame complaining. I just meant in context of Shallow Hal and other Hollywood movies that try to make meaningful commentary about weight issues. Like there's no middle ground - skinny girls are demonized when they're trying to be serious and accepting, and then there's the other side of the coin that turns fat people into "hilarious" objects. I totally didn't mean to imply that I've actually suffered in real life because of my size.

Posted by: HB at July 7, 2009 11:46 AM

I'm too tired to read everything but re: Bridget Jones. I agree that the point
in the book is NOT that she is fat but that she THINKS she is fat; in fact, in
the book she finally gets to her "ideal weight" and everyone tells her she
looks to thin. They kind of skipped that in the movie.

Posted by: My Name Is for My Friends at July 7, 2009 11:58 AM

I don't have time to read the bottom bit of the comments, but as it relates to Love, Actually...the stuff about the character being overweight was *to my understanding* due to the constant UK tabloid attention the actor faced in real life due to her 'size'. As such - tongue in cheek.

Posted by: kalafraja at July 7, 2009 1:54 PM

Good Lord b go for it. Brag brag brag. Personally I'd love to get a reduction on the old double Ds because they're a total pain in my ass. There is such a thing as too much. So from one extreme to another (I'm assuming, since you got all het up about people mentioning their DDs) I salute you.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 7, 2009 2:09 PM

And bucdaddy are you on Facebook?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 7, 2009 2:10 PM

@ b

I think that discussion turns to our DD's because we think, "Hey, I may be a little on the chunky size, but look at my great tits!"

That's the way I've always felt about it. Both of my sisters are rail thin, and I always felt really fat because of it (still feel like I could lose some weight, but now I generally feel curvy and sexy.) We've got to feel happy about SOMETHING our body has, and if it's not my flat stomach, then it's got to be my luscious tits.

Sorry if that offends you, but we obviously aren't terribly comfortable with ourselves if we're bringing up our sizes. It helps, though, when people like Tracer Bullet remind us that we are sexy even though we may wear a size 12 or 14 (thanks man, you're almost as good for my self esteem as Baby Got Back and Brick House!)

Posted by: Major Etiquette at July 7, 2009 2:14 PM

HB:

"I totally didn't mean to imply that I've actually suffered in real life because of my size."

You haven't? I have a couple of friends who have been treated horribly by my so-called "fellow fat sufferers" because they're naturally thin. They've been mocked, sneered at, screamed at, and, literally, spit on. Once, one of them had a sandwich bough for her instead of a drink by some @sshole in a bar.

My personal ranting is directed at those people who just can't let people be themselves. If it wasn't for our dress size, we'd just get picked on for having crooked teeth ("you're going to have terrible jaw problems later in life!") or being vegetarian ("protein deficiency"), or whatever else they can come up with to distract themselves from how dissatisfied they are with their own lives.

Posted by: Minty at July 7, 2009 3:11 PM

I think that discussion turns to our DD's because we think, "Hey, I may be a little on the chunky size, but look at my great tits!"

Hee, Major Etiquette - I love this comment!! It sums up perfectly how I feel about my boobs!

I'm beyond chunky and well into the fat range and also a part of the DD club. While I'm not ashamed of being fat and think I'm pretty fucking attractive(although I do wish I was thinner both for health reasons and so that random assholes on the street would stop mooing at me), I am well aware that my boobs are my best asset. Hence, the low cut shirts and the crazy amount of money spent on good quality bra's that keep the tits nice and perky.

Posted by: Kelly at July 7, 2009 3:38 PM

This is the company that thought killing all the principal characters over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and then miraculously bringing them all back to life again and again was wholesome family entertainment; for me, Finding Nemo is still one of the most horrifying films I've ever seen.

I don't...Huh?..What??

Posted by: CatBallou at July 7, 2009 5:05 PM

Jesus, the line about Wal-Mart shoppers in Tulsa is more offensive than anything Wall-E had to say about fat people.

Posted by: Matches at July 8, 2009 1:06 AM

"it's a big stretch to say they are offensive to fat people just because they present 'normal- sized women' complaining about being fat."

Amen. BJD is really a very sweet film. Mark loves her "just as she is" and Daniel finds her attractive, not despite or because of her wobbly bits. They just do. Her friends are lovely (if a bit batty) and there are no stereotypical fat person/skinny person attributes sprinkled around for laughs (fat people fart! skinny people are repulsed by dessert!).

That Renee Zellweger, however, still chooses/has to be matchstick-skinny in her post-Bridget life doesn't make the film hypocritical, but it does say nasty things about the industry as a whole.

Posted by: Spongie at July 8, 2009 1:38 AM

Wow. Fat people are sensitive.

"Normal-sized women"? Normal for America is FAT.

Why is there such pressure for stars to be thin? Because America is full of fatasses. The movies are about fantasy, people want to see the ideal on screen.

Being fat is unhealthy and unattractive. Fat people are the last group it's safe to lampoon, and that's great. People should be ashamed of being fat and slovenly. Put down the fast food and the ice cream. Join a gym. Ride your bike to work. Go for a walk, then a run.

It's not sexy. There's nothing sexy about a woman with a fat gut. Or a big dimply butt. Big boobs are great, but not if they come with a flabby gut and a sloppy butt. If fat was considered sexy, somebody would exploit that market. But that hasn't happened, because finding obesity attractive is a very small fetish.

There's nothing more disgusting than a fat woman with a deludedly positive body image. We've all seen the 200+ pounder who thinks she can dress like a 120 pounder. Fat women in bikinis are horrifying.Been to a Wal-Mart? Spandex pants are pushed to their limit there. GROSS. Same goes for fat men. PUT YOUR SHIRT ON. Nobody wants to see your moobs.

And, Kelly----why don't you quit wishing and start DOING? It's not rocket science. Eat better food. Eat fewer calories. Get active. Duh.

Posted by: Directotron at July 8, 2009 6:10 AM

@ Directotron - you're a prick.

Posted by: kalafraja at July 8, 2009 11:13 AM

Oh, and before you say something ridiculous about my being sensitive - no, I'm not fat.

Posted by: kalafraja at July 8, 2009 11:17 AM

@ kalafraja---thanks. Nothing I said wasn't true. And yes, you're sensitive.

Obesity is gross. If someone is fat, it's their fault. Wait, no. There is a miniscule minority who gain weight from some hormonal imbalance or thyroid problem. Most fat people are fat because they eat too much of the wrong food and lead inactive lives. Fast food, processed food, sodas, lattes, muffins, etc.

Nobody ever got fat eating grilled fish and vegetables.


Posted by: Directotron at July 8, 2009 8:49 PM

I find your apparent need to editorialize the lives and lifestyles of others to be gross. But, you know, that's just me.

While a person's weight may be their 'fault', it is also true that the fault for judging others (directly and derogatively, to fellow posters in what is meant to be a somewhat inclusive environment) is yours alone.

Reminds me of a crappy t-shirt I've seen - "I may be fat, but you're an asshole - and I can go on a diet."

Posted by: kalafraja at July 9, 2009 11:37 AM





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