Before we even get started on anything else, just watch this. Just watch it. For the love of God!
Oh my god— Carole Cadwalladr (@carolecadwalla) August 4, 2020
If you can’t bring yourself to watch it, Trump basically says that we are “lower than the world” in “deaths as a proportion of cases” instead as a proportion of the population. I mean … Jonathan Swan’s reaction to the idiocy dribbling out of Trump’s mouth has appropriately been turned into a meme:
When my wife shows me the monthly credit card statement and it just has Target purchases for 3 straight pages. pic.twitter.com/a6wjhEJzux— Mike Warren (@MichaelRWarren) August 4, 2020
Somehow, it gets worse. When asked why he wished Ghislaine Maxwell well, Trump repeats doubles down, goes into conspiracies about Epstein, and when told that Maxwell was indicted for sex trafficking, Trump says, “Big deal.”
how— Scafe says wear the goddamned mask (@erinscafe) August 4, 2020
Swan’s face here is priceless:
“You know, there are those that say you can test too much, you do know that.”— Scafe says wear the goddamned mask (@erinscafe) August 4, 2020
“Who says that?”
“Oh just, read the manuals, read the books-“
“-read the books.”
“What books?” pic.twitter.com/U4bL3edQt4
Finally, what are Trump’s thoughts on John Lewis? Basically, “he was a good civil rights leader, but there were a bunch of them,” and also, screw him because “he didn’t go to my inauguration.”
There is another notable thing about this interview (and the Chris Wallace one on Fox News a couple of weeks ago) that a lot of folks are rightfully mentioning this morning, which is this: Where were these interviews four years ago? Or during the last four years? A lot of folks are blaming the press for not pushing Trump harder, and they are absolutely right to, although I will note that Trump has rarely made himself available to anyone outside of Fox & Friends, so there haven’t been that many opportunities. Everyone is right, however, in that reporters who do receive those rare opportunities rarely fact-check or ask follow ups or react with confusion the way that Swan does out of fears of losing access, which most of them lost anyway.
Anyway, I wish this interview mattered.
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