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"Game Of Thrones" - "Winter Is Coming"

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George R.R. Martin’s massive, engrossing “A Song of Ice and Fire” saga comprises a series of novels 20 years in the making (and still going, with the next entry due out this year). It’s a sprawling, sweeping, densely written, gripping story that has developed a legion of rabid devotees — rightfully so (I’m a recent convert myself). When the announcement came that HBO would be adapting it into a TV series, much trepidation was felt. On the one hand, it’s HBO, the station that brought us “The Sopranos,” “The Wire” and “Deadwood.” On the other hand, “A Game of Thrones” and its sequels are incredibly, seemingly insurmountably complex bodies of work, carefully balancing its sword-and-sorcery tale with brilliant political machinations and an intricate, labyrinthine network of people and places, families and ever-shifting allegiances. It’s not just that it’s so well written, it’s that there’s just so much.

After viewing last night’s premiere, “Winter Is Coming,” I must say that while it was by no means perfect, HBO certainly appears up to the task. I won’t try too hard to capture the plot, other than to say that it involves the inner workings of a series of different nations, each struggling with its own internal politics and schemes, as they slowly and inexorably head towards a clash with each other. The pilot episode serves as an introductory course to the major players — Eddard “Ned” Stark of House Stark, with brief moments with his wife Catelyn (Michelle Fairley) and each child, allowing glimpses into their respective characters. Ned’s friend, King Robert of House Baratheon and his wife, the beautiful, imperious Cersei (Lena Headey) of House Lannister, along with her brother/lover Jaime (Nikolaj Coster-Waldau), and their outcast dwarf brother Tyrion (Peter Dinklage). And finally, from the exiled House Targaryen, there is the power-hungry Viserys (Harry Lloyd) and his sister, the child bride Daenerys (Emilia Clarke), betrothed to the hulking savage Khal Drogo (Jason Momoa), lord of the nomadic Dothraki tribe.

There are certainly many other characters, but the characters of “Game Of Thrones” could easily be an article unto itself. What’s important is that the show managed to introduce its audience to the main players without dumbing it down too much, nor alienating the large, existing fanbase. HBO and series creators David Benioff and Dan Weiss inevitably had to make some careful adjustments in order to bring Martin’s 700+ page beast of a novel under control and to make it manageable for the small screen, and so they did it in the smartest way possible. They simply condensed scenes together, or took pivotal moments or lines of dialogue and inserted them into shorter scenes, thus allowing those crucial moments to take place, but without letting the plot expand beyond the show’s limitations. It was hard to say how effective it was for new viewers, but as one who has read the novel, it felt like a clever way of getting all of the requisite information out there, without sacrificing too much of the original heart of the story.

As for the actors themselves, they were overall excellent. They may not be as you visualized them as you read the novels, but they carry the load and expectations bravely, and acquit themselves well. The standouts were easily Bean as noble, tired warrior Ned Stark (a role he could play in his sleep by now) and Dinklage as the bitter, debauched Tyrion (which will likely prove to be one of the most entertaining, as well as the most complicated roles). However, Emilia Clarke was a pleasant surprise as Daenerys. That said, the remaining players all proved themselves capable, even if some of the younger roles felt a bit wooden at times. The show’s writing was strong, and even when it wandered off of the page’s original story, it still felt right. At times, certain elements seemed like they were downplayed, until they became the focus of a later scene — Jon Snow seemed downright neglected until his excellent scene with his uncle Benjen (Joseph Mawle) and Tyrion, which then successfully exposed his whole backstory in a matter of minutes.

The show’s production values are an exercise in painstaking realism, as every piece of armor, every gown and glove and sword and shield is carefully rendered and made to look suitably worn and rough-hewed when necessary (such as in the harsh wilderness of Winterfell), or sumptuous and elegant as depicted in King’s Landing, or even decadent and lavish, as displayed via the wedding/bacchanalia of Daenerys and Drogo.

What’s most important is that while the show made some necessary editorial changes, it didn’t pull any of its punches. The pilot was overall a grim, humorless affair, which may be a problem for future episodes, but is true to the story’s roots. There’s little room for joking beyond wry gallows humor in “A Song Of Ice And Fire.” Similarly, the violence was unflinching and the sexual trysts were honest and, while not explicit, certainly not implied. More importantly, they’re not romanticized. Despite the painfully obtuse analysis of certain writers, the sex in “Game of Thrones” isn’t glamorous or erotic. In fact, like everything else in this world, it’s workmanlike, often unpleasant, and almost utilitarian in its practical applicability. The violence is the same way — brutal, not particularly flashy, and intense. Sex and swords serve similar purposes in “Game Of Thrones” — both are tools. to be wielded carefully or recklessly, depending on who’s using it.

The show wasn’t perfect. The transitions seemed a bit jarring at times, and you could almost feel scenes being cut out, creating an occasionally discordant sensation when the setting would shift. While the production was top notch, the scenes across the Narrow Sea featuring the Targaryens seemed too small, as if they didn’t have enough extras or they ran out of costumes. The pacing was steady and even, though at times a bit too much so. That’s the consequence of an introductory episode to a show with so much going on — there’s little action, and if folks were expecting a rousing medieval tale of wizards and clashes of swords, well, they’ll get some of that, but not for a while.

Those very minor quibbles aside, “Game Of Thrones” was a solid, intriguing start to the series that was unlikely to disappoint Martin’s fans. It’s a grim, somber affair, densely plotted and filled with rich, multifaceted characters in an intricately created universe. The show promises to do for the lands of Westoros and Essos what HBO was able to do for the Old West — create a vibrant, violent, mature world. It’s free of fancied ideals of what such a fantastical world should be like, and instead a harsh, unyielding depiction of what it would be like. The world of “Game Of Thrones” is no fairy tale and it’s no fantasy. It’s its own harsh reality, beautifully rendered, and as such should be successful for fans and newcomers alike.









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Comments

I was very pleased with the premiere. The depiction of the wall was fantastic. Minor quibbles here and there (still not 100% sure of Lena Headey as Cersei...) but time will tell.

I'd like to hear from some who have not read the books - was it confusing or was it entertaining?

Posted by: mswas at April 18, 2011 12:10 PM

the one that is due to come out in the summer is not the final book, there are supposed to be 2 after it but the grrm will be dead from obesity related heart problems long before he ever writes those so in a sense I guess it is the final book. Also you should prepare yourself for the inevitable sorry about that folks it just isn't ready yet blogpost that's due around june.

I didn't care too much for the episode but at least they took out the tyrion as acrobat shit. I guess there was enough raping for it to be true to grrm but the lack of lemoncakes was palpable.

Hodor

Posted by: goon at April 18, 2011 12:16 PM

"...with the final entry due out this year" ?? Not final. Far, far, far from final.

I have one qualm with the first episode: I think the scenes involving the Targaryens were short and missed an opportunity to depict just how evil and crazy Viserys is. I understand the need to move the show along and not get bogged down (especially with this many characters introduced at once) but I hoped they would have spent a little more time in Pentos.

Other than that, I loved it. I think it stayed true to the books. I loved hearing exact lines of dialogue pulled from the story. Sean Bean, Peter Dinklage and Emilia Clarke were outstanding. The actor who plays Bran was excellent.

The actor who plays Jon Snow is great. But he just does not look like I pictured him. Everyone else I had reservations with (Catelyn, Cersei, Jamie, Robert) have thoroughly sold me as the characters. Jon Snow sticks out. Too bad, as he’s one of my favorite characters in the book.

Overall, this huge fan is satisfied.

Posted by: Scully at April 18, 2011 12:23 PM

They didn't dwell on Viserys' (damn that's hard to type!) insanity, but we got a good bit of it as he ripped his sister's dress down and examined her body. Ewwww

Posted by: mswas at April 18, 2011 12:28 PM

Also: I watched this last night with 3 people who have not read the books. 2 were not at all familiar with the story (my husband, bless him, has been subjected to years and years of me blabbing about it). All 3 were confused. And I guess I could understand why. There was so much dialogue that referenced backstory. There’s also so many characters that are introduced. “Is that the blonde one or the white haired one?” “So he’s not a Stark but a Snow?” “OMG aren’t they siblings?!!!”

Taking out the map wasn’t much help. Going House by House didn’t help either. I think it’s something people have to re-watch to grasp the depth of the story.

Finally: those dragon eggs were damn ugly.

Posted by: Scully at April 18, 2011 12:29 PM

Went and bought the books this weekend. I don't have HBO so I figure I can get through the existing books before this is out on DVD. Glad to hear the quality is good as the writing sucked me in by the end of the prologue.

Now if I could only take a week off work to read.....

Posted by: meh at April 18, 2011 12:30 PM

@mswas...I have not read the books, and definitely enjoyed the show. I was excited about it mainly because of all the news it was getting on this site, and was not disapointed in the least.

Posted by: chad at April 18, 2011 12:31 PM

I thought it was excellent. I really enjoyed it. Some of it does feel a bit disjointed at times, but they only have 10 hours to work with and I thought they did a pretty admirable job with the time they had.

Overall, I thought the cast was great. Very pleased so far with that.

Those little dire wolf pups were so incredibly cute.

Even though he didn't have a single line, every time they showed Joffery I wanted to punch him in his face.

Similarly, I am not sure if Arya had more than a couple of lines at most, but she totally captured the essence of the character. I can't wait to see more of her.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at April 18, 2011 12:32 PM

I thought it was strange that they seemed to eliminate Drogo's tenderness towards Daenerys - in the book it's a nice little twist that he's not the "savage" he's made out to be, and in the end, Daenerys seemed to have a pretty good time on her wedding night. Maybe they just thought it would be too risque to show a 13 year old girl enjoying sex.

Posted by: Cree83 at April 18, 2011 12:37 PM

I watched this with my boyfriend last night, at his insistence. He's a fan of the books - I'd never heard of them prior to the advertising for this series. Without dude being there to clarify, I would have been utterly confused. While I think I can see the appeal for those that love the books, I don't think that it's hooked me.

Posted by: kalafraja at April 18, 2011 12:38 PM

Fully agree with @Cree83!

Also the dire wolf pups need more screen time and to be feed miracle gro!

Posted by: Luke at April 18, 2011 12:42 PM

My wife is busy devouring the books (we bought 3 and 4 this weekend) but other than reading the prologue in Game of Thrones last night I'm new to it.

I was a bit confused on who was dead at the beginning. I thought it was the King so I was very confused when the King came to Winterfell. I had cuaght up by the time it was over. I asked my wife a couple of questions to help keep things straight regarding character names and that helped. Even better, I re-watched the first 30 minutes again when it was over and understood those scenes much better after seeing what they were talking about. I caught Rob calling Jon "Snow" and the introductory conversation between Cersei and Jamie made a lot more sense.

In short, I loved it. I didn't think it was complicated, it struck me as rich. For a launch episode it was up there with LOST or True Blood. I was intrigued and I want more of that world right now.

I have been cautioned not to grow attached to any of the characters. Since I already like Tyrion and Ned I'm a bit worried. However Sean Bean rarely survives these things so I'm sure he bites it at some point.

Posted by: TylerDFC at April 18, 2011 12:43 PM

TylerDFC I was also confused as to who was dead, and I've read the books many times. In the books though, we never 'see' John Arryn's corpse, his death is just spoken about.

Posted by: mswas at April 18, 2011 12:46 PM

Scully,

I thought the line about letting all 40,000 Dothraki and their horses rape his sister if it would win his throne was more than enough to show Viserys' evil, sadistic nature. And that actor perfectly captured Viserys' immaturity when he threatened to release the dragon. So pathetic and childish.

I agree about the actors mentioned so far, but Arya was played brilliantly. She's confrontational, rebellious, aggressive, and pouty, and that little girl is nailing it. I'm really looking forward to seeing her more.

I didn't like the simplistic, rapey nature of Danny's wedding night. I guess it would take too long to explore the subtleties of her acceptance of Khal Drogo. Shame because that's one of the more beautiful moments of the first book.

The opening credits were phenomenal. And Danny's ass was absolutely, breath-takingly perfect. I stifled a gasp while watching it with the wife because, you know, I don't enjoy sleeping on the couch.

Posted by: Kballs at April 18, 2011 12:49 PM

I have not yet read the books* and was not lost. It helped that I recorded it, so if I missed a line I thought important, I could go back. Also, it was quite clear to me that Viserys is a crazy, evil mofo and I hate him. For some reason, I also hated Joffrey on sight. No idea if I should have. I can keep the kids straight, get that Catelyn's marrying into the clan was unusual, and that the incestuous duo are plotting to kill the King, while Viserys is praying for the return of a throne I hope he never sees and his sister is paying the price for that. Anything I missed, I figure they will reiterate in the next episode. I totally enjoyed this.

* I started reading the book after I watched, and it is amazingly close - at least through the first chapter.

Posted by: Reba at April 18, 2011 12:52 PM

They didn't dwell on Viserys' (damn that's hard to type!) insanity, but we got a good bit of it as he ripped his sister's dress down and examined her body. Ewwww

Posted by: mswas at April 18, 2011 12:28 PM

I also thought they got it across pretty well in his line about "I would let his whole army fuck you, all 40,000 men AND horses, if I thought it would get me back my throne."

I haven't read the books, so I don't know his fate, but I hope it involves him being fucked to death by a horse.

Posted by: JustBill at April 18, 2011 12:56 PM

Hating Joffrey is normal, not hating Joffrey is abnormal and he will earn your hatred. That kid is going to be bullied so much in real life like the draco malfoy kid.

Posted by: goon at April 18, 2011 12:59 PM

They totally fucked up the Daenerys story line and that makes me fear for Arya's.
Didn't really enjoy the first eppi. but I guess it's worth one more shot.

Posted by: Alexis MORENO at April 18, 2011 1:01 PM

Don't have HBO but I will be watching this... legally... tonight. My favourte part of this thread has been the newcomers to the series already connecting with the characters, and more importantly, that almost everyone is just RIGHT - you know who to hate and who to root for already, which is a great sign.

Posted by: S.K. at April 18, 2011 1:02 PM

The books have characters that are way more nasty than viserys or joffrey. Can't wait till they have Gregor and the Brave companions but they are a while away. You people who have not read the books should be aware that shit is going to get darker and more horrible exponentially

Posted by: goon at April 18, 2011 1:04 PM

Have not read any of the books and was completely entertained by the first episode. I didn't find it confusing at all.

Posted by: Riles at April 18, 2011 1:04 PM

Husband who has never read the books summed it up as, "The land of doggy style and incest." This will keep his interest, even if he is confused.
I liked it very much - a bit disappointed in the difference on Daenerys' wedding night. Hope there is a solid reason for that.

Posted by: jp at April 18, 2011 1:04 PM

I was a bit put off about Dany and Drogo's wedding night, too. He was supposed to be this tender lover (and a pedophile, but everyone was back then, apparently), but in the show he was more My Name's Buck and I Like To Fuck than Don Juan.

The point was that in the end, Drogo gave her a choice: "No?" Instead of a "Yes" we got beach rape. Wooooo.

Posted by: Snath at April 18, 2011 1:04 PM

Cree83 >> I was also struck by that detail about Daenerys and Drogo and looking for that softer side of his to slip out.

*VERY MILD SPOILER THEORY, BUT NOT REALLY ONE IF YOU'VE WATCHED ANY OF THE PROMOS AND HEARD HER TALKING ABOUT HER CHARACTER*
I suspect as Daenerys comes into her leadership role with respect to the Dothraki and her own heritage, her sex life with Drogo will be one more element that HBO uses to illustrate how she is asserting herself and transforming personally. The compacted presentation of the wedding (as compared to the additional detail and inner thoughts we were given in the book) did not give as much chance to accept her being somewhat swept up in the proceedings. The gift of the horse was a nice moment, but for television it might be more organic to give her arc more time.
*END VERY MILD SPOILERS*

I don't think they're portraying her as 13 in the television show, by the way. I'm guessing she's supposed to be 17 or so, since that's how long Viserys says he has been waiting for his throne, and her birth roughly coincided with their banishment.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 18, 2011 1:05 PM

I also use "back then" in the "actual world history" kind of way, which Martin used for inspiration. Not like I'm confusing Westeros as a real place. Because that would be creepy. I'm not creepy. A little obsessed, maybe, but not creepy. Right? RIGHT?? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA *SOB*

Posted by: Snath at April 18, 2011 1:09 PM

Arya is a definite standout for me. I think she's doing a bang-up job, as is Bran. As has been said, it wasn't perfect but it's so damn close. I honestly didn't expect such a faithful depiction, especially knowing that they had to be relatively economical with ALL the characters and their back stories.

I love the fact that they slipped a glimpse of The Hound in there. Only the fans would know him at this point, so it was a nice gimme for us.

I thought they *might* have slipped in something about the Targaryens traditionally marrying brother to sister to give us just a smidge more feeling for the depth of Viserys' crazy, but he's basically coming off as he is written. Also wondering why they had to make Dany's marriage more brutal than the book.

Posted by: Wednesday at April 18, 2011 1:09 PM

Simply put, there wasn't as much majesty (an odd word to use in this case, but an appropriate one) in the Dothraki proceedings as there was when I originally pictured it. Thus, I wasn't fully convinced that Daenerys was a convert by the end of the day like I was in the book.

Also, I wanted the dire wolves to be a little more omnipresent. These are essentially those kids' spirit animals. They should be at their side much more frequently than we saw. This was somewhat redeemed by the nice focus on Bran's wolf at the end when he was climbing.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 18, 2011 1:09 PM

It makes me really happy to hear that Viserys nature is apparent to so many of you (he got a negative reaction from my viewing companions, but not a strong one).

"I didn't like the simplistic, rapey nature of Danny's wedding night. I guess it would take too long to explore the subtleties of her acceptance of Khal Drogo. Shame because that's one of the more beautiful moments of the first book."

Agreed. I was actually a bit annoyed where the scene ended. I wonder where they will go with this, or how they will explain the (what they portrayed as) rape.

Posted by: Scully at April 18, 2011 1:10 PM

Everyone has been aged up, for sure. All those portrayed as being pre-teen or young teens in the books are now vaguely of legal age, as you can tell by the ages of the actors. Way too many dicey moments otherwise, even for HBO.

Posted by: S.K. at April 18, 2011 1:10 PM

Wednesday >> I liked the inclusion of The Hound as well.

*CRYPTIC NOT REALLY SPOILERS*
I really liked that the immediate cut from that first shot of him in his armor was to Arya. That's some subtle foreshadowing.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 18, 2011 1:12 PM

I haven't read the books (or any fantasy, really), but I had no trouble keeping up. Though, it probably helped that I poked around the website a bit before watching. I love the production detail and seeing so many actors I love in one place.

I'm not surprised to hear that Viserys is batshit. As soon he said that 40,000 men and their horses line, I realized he was the guy from the Family of Blood two-parter on Doctor Who (he's so good at playing bad) and I knew they'd be ratcheting up the crazy soon.

Posted by: jM at April 18, 2011 1:20 PM

Aside from some minor changes, it definitely lived up to my expectations. I already love Arya, Bran, Jon, Tyrion, and Jaime.

Posted by: Snrub at April 18, 2011 1:40 PM

I asked my brother (who has not read any of the books) what he thought and he said that he liked it and that he wanted to see/know more. It's funny that he quickly disliked Prince Joffrey (even though he's only glimpsed) and that he was appreciating Jamie until the very end.

That, for me, is the biggest key: even though I know all the beats, the major emotional gut punch at the end still felt real and honest and hurtful. If the show can retain Martin's emotional heart, I'll be more than happy to forgive it any changes/omissions it carries.

As for the Drogo & Dany scene, I think they're going to take their time showing you their relationship growing and changing. However, the show creators had to have no qualms about showing you the obvious truth: Dany had just been sold to Drogo by her brother and there was nothing she could do about it. As I told my brother, Visaerys dreams of the Iron Throne, but where would that leave his sister? Still with Drogo, against her wishes.

Posted by: Fredo at April 18, 2011 1:42 PM

I liked it. I've not read the books but I may start, now that I've had this sampling.
I agree that for a pilot for such a dense show it managed to fit enough in to interest me, without feeling too dumbed down, or being so true to canon that I was lost.

The sexual politics are interesting too, I liked the obvious parallel between Cersai's relationship with men versus Daeynerus', and I like the idea that Daeynerus is a mini(even bastard?) Cersai and will eventually learn to stop being a victim and use her sex as a weapon. I actually love that they've showed us something like that, that yes these women are basically used as currency, but some of them can potentially become powerhouses in their own right.
I also liked the touch of Cersai taking a shine to Ned's daughter and talking openly about a pretty girl doing well in the Kingdom, in front of her MOTHER no less.

Lotsa incest though. That's...that'll take longer to get used to.

Posted by: Nadine at April 18, 2011 1:48 PM

Also, I guess, I can begrudgingly. BEGRUDGINGLY admit that seeing them handle IN ONLY THE PILOT SO IT COULD STILL SUCK a densely packed fantasy story with lots of intersecting characters and stories and potential for silliness or over playing it, I CAN SORT OF SEE THAT THEY MIGHT DO WELL WITH AMERICAN GODS.

They fucking need to cast Momoa though. Srsly.

Posted by: Nadine at April 18, 2011 1:51 PM

"...he was appreciating Jamie until the very end."

This is one thing that Martin excelles at. He sets up these characters, ones that you point to and say "Bad Guy", then he muddies up the waters, your feelings change, your allegiance switches, and you're not sure who to root for anymore. You end up cheering for dubious characters and see folly in pure honesty.

Put another way, Martin sets up a truly realistic world. People aren't simple creatures driven by simple desires. There isn't a clear "Good Guy" and "Bad Guy". You never konw...you imght be cheering Jamie on later in the story.

Posted by: Scully at April 18, 2011 1:56 PM

Loved it! Gave in and subscribed to HBO for the duration. I have a friend I plan on doing GoT parties with when I can, but there's a drive involved, and sometimes that just won't happen. So I needed to be able to tape it.

I agree that my biggest qualm was with the wedding night scene. They have to grow to care about each other, even with how weird their relationship is, and that was the first step in the books.I'm sure they'll approach that same dynamic in a different way, but it didn't sit well with me. Had no problem with the crazy in Viserys. My best friend has not read the books and emailed me this morning to say how disturbed she was by the "all the men and horses" bit.

Love the subtle ways the characters are coming across. Joffrey is just disgusting already, and I loved the interplay between him and Sansa, even though that was only a look. You could see her wanting the dream of the songs and stories and seeing that potential across from her, while he was just seeing a pretty girl he felt he had the right to. And I thought they had aged everyone, but apparently not Sansa? When she said she was 13 and had not bled yet, I was surprised since everyone else is aged up. Really excited to see how these characters grow on screen and very pleased with what's going on thus far!

Final note? I friggin LOVE that title sequence. I'm hoping as they introduce new areas that those places pop up in the credits for relevant episodes!

Posted by: KatSings at April 18, 2011 2:01 PM

Overall I thought they did an excellent job given how many characters there are and how much explanation had to be included.

Arya was a definite stand out to me and I can't wait to see more of her. Jon Snow is my favorite character in the books and even though he's not how I pictured him, I'm hoping he'll rise to the challenge and pull it off. Only time will tell though.

Posted by: beckster at April 18, 2011 2:06 PM

I've read several comments from (mostly) females throwing around the term rape here and how this show was so horrific for objectifying women and showing excessive sexual violence.

OK, so as a woman, was I the only one NOT offended in the least by this show? First off, THEY'RE JUST BOOBS. Just because some cultures expose breasts, does NOT mean they are objectifying women. In fact, by pointing out the boobs, you're making it worse. I haven't seen any comments about that topless male/haircut scene.

Secondly, I really didn't see any rape in this episode. I'm probably going to be crucified for saying this, but I read one comment on the internet that the wedding disembowelment was over who wanted to rape that girl more. Ummmm she looked like she was enjoying herself, fellas. Yeah, the scene with Drogo and his new bride made me cringe a little, but this is how it's gone in history. At no point was I all, "IT'S TOO MUCH!"

Posted by: dmbmeg at April 18, 2011 2:06 PM

Scully,

That's ridiculous. Stop being ridiculous.

And have they cast that one UGLY-assed woman? Ole Whasserface? Brienne? That'll be a tough one because of her imposing physical size and facial unfortunateness.

Posted by: Kballs at April 18, 2011 2:07 PM

KatSings >> Yeah, making Sansa 13 jumped out at me too. At least Cersei had the line about how tall she is. I guess they wanted to keep her sexual maturity in play for later in the plot. Also, it gave the audience a chance to see how creepy Cersei can be.

I'm getting way ahead of myself, but I do worry a little about how these kids are going to mature convincingly with the production schedule. Harry Potter did a good job of it, but it seems potentially tricky.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 18, 2011 2:21 PM

DarthCorleone,

Looks of innocence and clever hair and makeup can go a long way to making these actors/actresses seem younger than they are. And judging by Arya and Bran's performances last night, I'm not worried about their ability to take on such complex storylines . . . yet.

Posted by: Kballs at April 18, 2011 2:32 PM

Scully, I know my feelings for Jamie changed as the books moved on. That's something Martin did right: few characters remain stock, one-note villains/heroes.

And right from the offset, I wanted to shout some sense in Sansa's direction.

Posted by: Fredo at April 18, 2011 2:45 PM

Oh, was Jofrey the smug little shit that came with the Lannisters? Yeah, I hated him immediately too.

Posted by: TylerDFC at April 18, 2011 2:57 PM

dmbmeg, I do see your point about the sex fight at the wedding, that wasn't rape, that was a big sexy sex fight. If it was intended to be rape then I need to re-evaluate some things.

But what was happening to Daenerys was very assuredly rape.

She was obviously sexually objectified by her brother(Srsly, the incest, the hell?) but at the same time viewed very literally as currency by him.
It's hard to say it isn't rape when she went, weeping and shaking, to her marital bed, when she said, flat out, 'I don't want to be his Queen' and while she didn't follow up with 'and have the subsequent sex this would require' , it's pretty much implied.

Also, I don't know how old they made the character in the TV show, but the youngest they're playing her is 17, if that, based on what's been said about their history and how old she looks.

In the books she is 14 when she gets pregnant (thank YOU wikipedia) which means that if they're playing it to the book here, she's 13 if she's a day.

So yeah. It's rape.

It wasn't, yes, it wasn't the kind of ultra violent rape most shows usually go for(The Sopranos, Melfi, *shudder*) when they DO go there, but that's because in this genre that kind of...ravaging wouldn't be fit in these circumstances.
Sure they may have war sequences when raiding soldiers are shown brutalising women, that would be more obvious and and more viscerally disturbing scene.

This was the kind of rape that has gone on for Millenia behind closed doors, that is almost polite in it's mock civility.

Close your eyes and think of England, and all that.

Posted by: Nadine at April 18, 2011 3:03 PM

KatSings, I found the wedding night scene interesting. I've not read the books but I was like, clearly these two will learn to love one another eventually blah blah. So I thought it was interesting how they handled the scene. It was...it was rape, what was happening, she didn't want it and was terrified, but I feel like they played him as...not as a rapist?
If that makes sense? Like yes, this time he had sex she didn't want to have but he's not a the brutal, savage bastard she thinks? Maybe? I don't know, I can't define it, I just felt it was handled incredibly well and led me to believe she could not just hate him for ever.

Posted by: Nadine at April 18, 2011 3:06 PM

Nadine - I think the point is more that throughout history, that kind of political wedding and ensuing "consummation" was the norm for those whose family connections brought power. In current terms, it is certainly rape. But to characters used to that world it would not have been nearly as abhorrent, just part of how things work.

Posted by: S.K. at April 18, 2011 3:08 PM

Nadine >> I think what you're getting at is the obligatory tie of sex to marriage in this Westeros universe. The two things are essentially inseparable by the society's rules, and Daenerys knows this. As Martin demonstrates in later weddings, the husband and wife are not just expected to consummate the marriage on the wedding night and quickly provide heirs, they are often carried to the bedroom and disrobed along the way by the wedding guests. It is a barbaric and stupid attitude, but in this world it is a tradition still held.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 18, 2011 3:16 PM

S.K. beat me to it.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 18, 2011 3:17 PM

Do we have an idea of just what books this series will cover? Is it only Game of Thrones? Because if so Brienne won't be in it, Kballs.

Glad that you got all that out of the scenes with Drogo and Danyreus (dratted spelling!), having not read the books, Nadine.

Posted by: mswas at April 18, 2011 3:25 PM

"Do we have an idea of just what books this series will cover?"

I understand that HBO has purchased the rights to A Game of Thrones only.

(thus far)

Posted by: Scully at April 18, 2011 3:28 PM

as always, i stand in awe of dinklage's abilities as an actor. his tyrion was as much a high point of the show as the literary tyrion is of the books.
loved it all...

Posted by: the Fatman at April 18, 2011 3:54 PM

I understand that HBO has purchased the rights to A Game of Thrones only.

(thus far)

HBO bought the TV rights to A Song of Ice and Fire as a whole, not Game of Thrones and the other books individually.

Posted by: Soylent Green is Sheeple at April 18, 2011 4:51 PM

before i get to the comments....it was okay. i read the books but don't think they're the best thing in the freaking world.

i thought the acting was the best part. i don't recognize any of these actors except for bean, dinklage and headey (all excellent) and that's probably a good thing as i find familiar faces often distracting. the young actors impressed me and i'm looking forward to the series.

i did think some of the sets seemed....what's the word? they looked cheap and cheesy to me. sorry but that's how i saw it. the clothing too annoyed me a bit as well. clothes often look brand spanking new when it seems to me they should look worn and threadbare.

kit harington's hair is beautiful. just sayin'.

Posted by: splinter at April 18, 2011 5:04 PM

Anyone have any idea how well it did in the ratings? With the massive marketing, I would hope it did well, but you never know these days...

Posted by: russmunki at April 18, 2011 5:06 PM

God, I hope it's good. It's actually playing right now while in the living room, but my entire family are fucking tv/movie talkers and won't shut the hell up.

They're those people that have to comment on every damn thing...

Posted by: Candee at April 18, 2011 5:29 PM

The Lannisters - Two and a Halfman

(what? don't look at me that way, it's how his own men refer to him...)

Seriously, Peter Dinklage may be technically too good-looking for how Tyrion is described in the book, but he is JUST AWESOME. The obvious relish as he finished his drink (and other activities)? *sigh* I already love him. I will watch again just for that, the same way I keep reading these books over and over so I can hear Tyrion again and again.

Posted by: bokchoi at April 18, 2011 5:30 PM

Warning: I HAVE A LOT OF THOUGHTS

I'm overall very pleased with the first episode and most of the changes that they made from the books. Obviously, they can't be expected to adhere to the books strictly, that would be insane. I think most of the shorthand they used to establish characters and relationships was perfect. My favorite instances of this were Jaime bringing in three more women for Tyrion and leaving the door open and everything revolving around Arya, from her shooting the arrow and wandering around in a helmet and flinging peas at Sansa down to her curious nature.
I'm not sure how I feel about Jon yet, but I remember not caring much about him in the books at this point either. I shall withhold judgement for now. At this point in the books, he seemed to be to serve mostly as a cypher for Tyrion, not that that's a bad thing. I love Tyrion, he's on of the most complex characters I've ever read. He was the one I was most worried about, but I'm confident that Dinklage can do him justice.
I agree with others that the consummation of Daenerys and Drogo's marriage diverged wildly from the book, I think that the emotional resonance made up for the changes that were made. At this point, Dany is such an undeveloped person that her pain and suffering at this point were much more meaningful to a viewer (as opposed to a reader) than her acceptance of Drogo could have been at this point. You get exposure to her thought process in the books, but that is impossible on film. If the action had followed the book strictly in this scene, it would have appeared that Dany was once again simply resigned to her fate. What she does through must motivate her to change and become a real person; she has to find her inner strength. If their relationship goes in the direction that I suspect it will, I think this scene will have major payoff later.
I loved all the foreshadowing and nods to smaller events from the books that readers will notice but non-readers will miss on first viewing. I also loved the detail that went into the sets. The stones with eyes painted on them on John Arryn's eyes? Creepy and gorgeous and perfect. In that small glimpse of the ceremony, you could see that there is an entire, complex belief system behind everything.
One final note: The episode ending where it did? Utter brilliance.

Posted by: (Not So) Blonde Savant at April 18, 2011 5:51 PM

Finally watched it.

I felt it was a bit rushed, but that is to be expected. I liked it over all, but I've got a fee pet peeves. Most of them have to do with hair. Robb's and Bran's have the wrong colour (their are supposed to inherited Catelyn's), and the dark eyebrows on Cersei and the Targaryans bugged me a bit.

The wedding scene wasn't that bad. I would not judge it yet, since they only showed part of it.

My biggest peeve is with the nudity. I know that Martin uses it a lot, but some shots were a bit too gratuitous for me. (And I say that as a heterosexual male.) Daenerys stepping into the bath tub, for example.

@Nadine: I don't think that Vyseris objectives his sister in a sexual way. He's clearly thinking of her as an thing to be sold. Of course, he's insane (inbreeding will do that to you). But I get the feeling (not only through the show but through the books) that he's quite impotent or asexual.

Posted by: FabMax at April 18, 2011 6:26 PM

Anyone have any idea how well it did in the ratings? With the massive marketing, I would hope it did well, but you never know these days...

Posted by: russmunki at April 18, 2011 5:06 PM

While the official numbers wont be released until tomorrow, the initial indications are that the ratings were pretty underwhelming.

According to early data, GoT earned a 1.6 rating in Nielsen's overnight household sample. By way of comparison, last September's debut of Boardwalk Empire on HBO averaged a 2.8 rating in the overnights.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at April 18, 2011 6:40 PM

Concerning the wedding night between Khal Drogo and Daenerys I found an interesting tidbit from the salon.com review:

"But when Daenerys is given three supposedly petrified dragon's eggs as a wedding gift, something changes in her. She starts to take control of her circumstances, learning how to dominate her new husband sexually and emotionally, studying the harsh world around her, and carrying herself with more poise and savvy. There's a marvelous moment where she's on her belly being mounted by Khal Drogo, and her expression changes from pained and helpless to upbeat and then calculating as she stares at the dragon's eggs."

I don't recall seeing that in the episode. Maybe it was cut from the aired pilot and the reviewer saw another version. The review is from Thursday, so that's probable.

Posted by: Quanion at April 18, 2011 6:54 PM

Quanion, My understanding is that most critics were given the first 6 episodes to base their reviews on.

Posted by: Angeleno Ewok at April 18, 2011 7:28 PM

Gawd I love you guys.
S.K-I get you totally, I was trying and failing hilariously to say something similar. Like, so much failing.

DarthCorleone-that fits with what I imagined the show would be like. Well not exactly but I imagined sex would very much drive more than just the two people having it(or three, or eight, Dinklage has the stamina, go for it!)

Mswas-I may have cheated a little but what I read on t'internet did mostly confirm what I'd sort of read from the scene.

For study, I've watched like, an unusual amount of rape scenes so I sort of learned(mostly for my emotional sanity!) to...I guess deconstruct them? I don't know how I'd put it, like, obviously the style of the scene conveys a certain something so Melfi's rape as a prime example(spoiler?) takes place in an underground garage and is violent and brutal and degrading, so stylistically it's made clear that these two people are never going to be friends.

But this scene was...it was in the acting and the stuff before, Drogo giving her the horse like, he played it very well and she did too and you could see he wanted her to like it and she did and appreciated it, but at the same time that horse literally transports her to her violation, but like...it was the acting, more than anything, the way it was shot was perfect, with her in the middle all tiny and frail and him circling and brushing her face or taking down the strap on her dress, it was that sort of predatory thing some directors do but it was played in a weirdly still, calm way and he wasn't...beating her or terrorising her, not overtly...I don't know, I felt like...they both played it like they are aware this is an obligation, but yes, he's going to enjoy it, certainly more than her, but at the end of the day they're married now so lets get this ugly business out of the way as we're duty bound to do and tomorrow we'll see what happens.

If ...any of that makes sense. That was what I took from the scene. It was very well done, IMO.

FabMax, Orly? Ahh...that changes things, yes,I can see that now. Ooh, well played, show!Also braVO Harry Lloyd.
I didn't think I'd be this interested in this show but there is a helluva lot going on that I LOVE, I can't wait to see how this goes. Also RONON DEX 4 LYFE!!!
Ahem.

Posted by: Nadine at April 18, 2011 7:38 PM

I haven't watched this yet, but as Drogos has been a hot topic, i can add this. I read an interview with jason momoa, and he said his character is initally portrayed as totally savage, but over the season, there is an arc and he and his relationship with the wife become more sympathetic.

Posted by: idleprimate at April 18, 2011 8:03 PM

No one else has any renewed confidence in Momoa as Conan? I thought he pulled off the barbarian rather well, and he's actually a much larger person than I thought. Anyway, after reading the comments I'm surprised no one else felt the same way.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at April 18, 2011 11:05 PM

I'm quite happy with the show, overall. Dinklage is absolutely sensational as Tyrion. He is technically too good looking for the role (Someone further up the thread beat me to that point), but I think that trying to make Tyrion come right out of the page would have created one too many Quasimodo references. I really don't care though. The guy has the role absolutely nailed. Thank God, because he is hands down my favorite character in the series. The way he handles his lines is just...priceless.

I love the comments by the people who haven't read the books. Especially the fact that it seems all of them would like to punch Joffrey in the face, despite the fact that the kid didn't say a single line. That says a lot about the acting.

And whoever mentioned the title sequence? Ditto. Freaking awesome.

Posted by: Kaleena at April 19, 2011 12:06 AM

Especially the fact that it seems all of them would like to punch Joffrey in the face, despite the fact that the kid didn't say a single line.

I nominate the next Pajiba tagline:

"Pajiba: We'll punch that smirk right off of your face."

Posted by: mswas at April 19, 2011 12:23 AM

Again I find myself confused by those who put 20th century moral standards to an arguably medieval period. Girls, women, boys and men were all farmed out for profit, joining of houses, or simply as a bribe or payment for loyalty, aid, etc..

Thirteen or seventeen she was betrothed to another royal to help build an army to regain the lordship of....the world. This shit happened all the time. This Disney idea that Princess Snoballin should get to chose her husband out of twoo wuv or be allowed to say no to her older brother, the heir to the throne, is childish and dim.

Loved every minute of it, though I gotta say that the rest of the premiere didn't nearly live up to the first 14 minutes we saw in preview.

Arya will not be fucked up. Just the one tiny 'making of' scene with swordmaster Syrio Forel tells me they're going to do her right. Tyrion is perfect and I got to see The Hound and his bad-ass helm.

CORN!

Posted by: Protoguy at April 19, 2011 3:25 AM

Oh, and yes, I was bothered by Daenerys' wedding night. You don't go from terrified virgin to Sun and Stars that way. Another small point that bothered - Dothraki are nomads who live, fight, die on the steppes. They hate and fear the sea, believe it's poisonous. That scene was supposed to take place in the open grass plains they love. And I agree that those scenes did look small, like they couldn't get enough extras.

Posted by: Protoguy at April 19, 2011 3:30 AM

Posted by: space oddity at April 19, 2011 12:40 PM

I loved it but one thing bothered me throughout. Why not cast actual blondes as the blondes? It was SO distracting to see these obviously dark haired people walking around in terrible wigs/dye jobs. The actors are great but they look so wrong, so obviously, obviously not true blondes. This is true for ALL the blondes, the Queen, her brother/lover, Dinklage and the white haired siblings. Why bleach their hair but not their eyebrows? They looked terrible.

Ok, I'm done. Thanks.

Posted by: Nique at April 20, 2011 9:56 AM

It's pronounced Are-Ya? Who knew.

Posted by: Aston at April 20, 2011 5:27 PM

The major thing that bugged my was differences in how they were pronouncing the names. I listened to the first book on audio, so I expect the names to be said a certain way (ie Arya is pronounced like the word aria, like from an opera, and they said Dani's last name differently as well). And the eybrows, yes, why not just dye them?!

Posted by: Xandie at April 20, 2011 10:46 PM