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My Tortured Relationship with Jackass: Or How I Ended Up the One with a Stick in His Ass

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Think Pieces | Comments (58)



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Maybe a movie that involves a one man batting a tee ball into the junk of another doesn’t deserve the print or attention it’s received over the last few days, but I can’t seem to exorcise the shit-smeared demon.

I badly botched the weekend box office report, detailing the $50 million opening of Jackass 3D, and now I’m repenting. I opened that post with, “Just because you saw Jackass 3D (and I know many of you did), and just because you might have even enjoyed parts of Jackass 3D (as I know many of you did), it doesn’t mean you have to be happy about the film opening at number one this weekend with a whopping — a whopping — $50 million.”

What I should have opened with was, “Just because I saw Jackass 3D, and just because I might have even enjoyed parts of Jackass 3D, it doesn’t mean I have to be happy about the film opening at number one this weekend with a whopping — a whopping — $50 million. “

The truth is, I have a tortured relationship with Jackass, and while there are plenty of you who suggested that it’s not something to get worked up about, that it’s a one-off, that I should remove the stick from my ass, I’m a movie critic. Ridiculous, pointless-to-the-real world bullshit weighs on me because it’s my job to overthink pointless-to-the-real world bullshit. I’ve been wrestling with Jackass 3D for days.

I honestly didn’t mean to sound self-righteous in the box-office round-up, and perhaps my history of intentionally sounding self-righteous colored the reception. Still, when I said, “I’m not passing judgement,” I meant it. I meant it because it would’ve meant passing judgement on myself. When I asked if the collective you were tortured by your own hypocrisy, I really meant: I feel tortured by my own hypocrisy. I took comfort in the fact that at least I was in good company, that of Mike Judge and Spike Jonze, who are smart and talented people. And who have seemingly made amends with themselves, and squared away their love of Jackass with their apparent aspirations to contribute something more meaningful to our culture. I was trying to clumsily pass along that comfort to those of you who, also, have a tortured relationship with Jackass.

I haven’t fully squared away my dichotomous feelings, although there were some comments in the round-up that I thought were good defenses of Jackass. While I don’t feel comfortable about the “intent argument” that a lot of people brought up, PuppetDoug wrote a great comment that began:

“I think the Jackass movies are more tolerable, and therefore superior to offerings like Norbit or Meet the Fockers because of intent, and I don’t just mean the not aspiring thing — I think your point was that something like Norbit isn’t aspiring, either. Jackass is self-aware.”

I have a difficult time with that argument if only because if it is stupid and culturally bankrupt, then why should it matter whether the people behind it knew it was stupid and culturally bankrupt? The end product is the same, regardless of intent. If Eddie Murphy knew that Norbit was a tremendously huge chunk of shit, would’ve it have mattered? Because I’m guessing that, based on Murphy’s earlier work, that he knew it was a piece of shit, but he knew it would make money, so he made it anyway.

mightygodking contributed this in Jackass’ defense: “Norbit and Meet the Fockers use some slapstick, but ultimately they’re bad films that refuse to innovate in the realm of physical comedy. Jackass, whatever else you might think of it, genuinely tries to invent new types of physical comedy rather than just go to the nut-crunch well once more.”

That would’ve been some comfort to me after the first Jackass movie, and maybe even the second. The third Jackass, unfortunately, didn’t try to innovate. It did the same things that the first two movies did; it just made them more vulgar. It went to the nut-crunch well repeatedly. And when Steve-O drank the sweats off an obese man, and the audience laughed between their retches, I felt alienated. Because it only elicited retches from me, and I felt old, like maybe I’d outgrown that brand of comedy, which depressed me, because I don’t want to outgrow it. I like to maintain a sense of immaturity where it suits the situation. But then again, Steve-O drank that man’s fecal-flecked sweat and puked all over the fucking place. Why is that funny? Does the fact that I didn’t find it funny mean I’m broken? Did the stick up my ass break me?

Some Guy, who may or may not be the same Some Guy that often trolls the site, did make a very astute retort to TrickyHD’s suggestion that Jackass viewers were the same types of people who got George Bush elected. Wealthy middle-aged white people and right-leaning Christians are not the Jackass audience, he wrote. The youth — and many of those who voted for Obama — are the target audience. Bush voters would’ve had Jackass banned from theaters, which is a point in Jackass’ favor, I would argue. In either respect, nice point, Mr. Guy.

Rubble44 added this: “There are literally hundreds of movies that come out and pretend to have something to offer to the public but are more damaging to them then Jackass 3D. ”

And again, is it a question of intent, and again, whether it’s crap pretending to be good, or crap that knows it’s crap, why does it matter if the end result is still crap?

However, Rubble44 also offered this: “You say you aren’t passing judgment, but that’s all you are doing. Just because I liked this movie, I never have a leg to stand on when I say something sucks ever again?”

This is exactly the rub for me, and if it really did sound like I was passing judgment, then I was mostly passing it on myself. If I admit to liking this movie, do I have a leg to stand on when I say something sucks ever again? You’ll notice that I reviewed the last two Jackass movies. In fact, the review for Jackass 2 was one of my favorite reviews. But in both cases, I’ve been ambiguously hyperbolic. A straight review of Jackass is an exercise in futility — no one decides whether to see Jackass based on a review. I’d much rather delve into the cultural commentary. Or at least try and have some fun with the review. If I’d written a straight review for the second Jackass movie, I’d have said something along the lines of, “I laughed. A lot. And I felt really guilty about it.” If I’d written a straight review of the third movie, I’d have said: “I laughed a few times, but there was nothing particularly clever or innovative about the stunts. It was the same shit, only now with more shit.”

Still, if I weren’t reviewing it, would I have paid to see it? Based on the strength of the first two movies, yes, I would’ve. I would’ve willing added $10 to the $50 million pot. But I would’ve felt guilty about it. Does that make me part of the problem? Probably.

So, do I have a leg to stand on when I criticize Life As We Know It and Meet the Fockers, if I admit that I liked the first two Jackass movies? Have I lost the moral high ground? If I had honestly liked Jackass 3D and admitted to it, would I have been pandering to the mainstream?

I dunno. But, I’ll return to puppetdoug who did, I believe, offer the absolute best intellectual defense of Jackass:

“It is a group of clever idiots figuring out more and more inventive ways to hurt one another. That ingenuity is amusing because it is absurdly married with stupidity, and that irony is the source of all comedy. It is the comedic amoeba, swirling in the primordial funny bone of the first gefilte fish to climb from the ooze and tell a joke about his ex-wife.”

I can get behind that argument, although mrcreosote wisely noted, “We’re giving Jackass a pass because they are “aware” of how stupid they are? I’m not convinced Steve-O knows what day it is.”

True.

He also added this: “It is possible to be BOTH stupid and smart. Airplane did it, Tropic Thunder did it, even Idiocracy itself did it.”

Also true. It is possible.

But the question is this: Is Jackass BOTH stupid and smart, or just stupid? And if it’s the latter, and I admit to liking it, do I destroy my credibility? Or did I destroy it years ago when I admitted that Son in Law was one of my secret shames? It’s just that I feel a lot better about my guilty pleasures when they don’t open with $50 million, and it’s a lot harder to admit when one of your secret shames involves a man applying leeches to his eyeball (now that was innovative).

Finally, thanks for all the comments and feedback, both negative and positive, on the review and the box-office report. I know that Jackass is divisive, and that most people are solidly pro or anti-Jackass. But for the few of us conflicted ones in the middle, it’s helpful to read cogent, articulate arguments on both sides.









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Comments

re: It went to the nut-crunch well repeatedly.

Don't we all.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at October 18, 2010 2:36 PM

One point I forgot to make in the other post was the presence of Beavis and Butthead to open the movie. Mike Judge is a savvy honky who knows his target audience. The same type of kid who watched Beavis and Butthead back in '90s is the EXACT same type of kid who watches all the Jackass movies 74 times and will probably watch the (allegedly) upcoming Beavis and Butthead movie. He got those miscreants buzzing about a pair of cartoons that haven't been relevant in 15 years, guaranteeing at least a 50% bump on opening weekend. It is impossible for me to prove this theory, but fuck you! Why can't you just let me be right for once?!?!

Posted by: Kballs at October 18, 2010 2:46 PM

"But for the few of us conflicted ones in the middle, it’s helpful to read cogent, articulate arguments on both sides."

Right. But it's also helpful to get all bent out of shape and call people "sanctimonious pricks: -- which, like eating Cap'n Crunch and watching lowbrow stuff like Jackass, I like to do from time to time.

Plus, it's funny!

Posted by: colleen at October 18, 2010 2:54 PM

Jackass is just stupid. Just because it knows it's stupid doesn't make it smart. The knowledge of non-knowledge just means you know you don't know.

Posted by: admin at October 18, 2010 2:58 PM

It seems the debate is whether this an be smart and stupid.
Noone disputes that it's stupid, and can be just stupid on it's own.
Or that it could also be smart about said stupidity.
But what it's not, is smart alone. Stupid is part of the deal.

Posted by: Odnon. at October 18, 2010 2:59 PM

admin,

And knowledge is half the battle.

Posted by: Kballs at October 18, 2010 3:04 PM

To say that those who elected Bush would want this banned from their theatres is crazy. Those who elected Bush are lovers of the 1st Amendment and would not ask the government to stick their collective noses where they don't belong. Rather, if they didn't want to see the movie, they simply wouldn't go see the movie, and if they felt strongly enough about it, they would speak out against the movie. It is far more likely that those who voted for Gore and Kerry would ask the government to intervene in areas where the government has no business intervening. I understand the political leanings of the editors and eloquents of this site, but lets get our facts straight.

Posted by: Chris from Delaware at October 18, 2010 3:05 PM

Balls.

Pee pee.

Diarhea.

Posted by: Brian at October 18, 2010 3:06 PM

As far as it goes, I think Jackass and anything Focker-related are similar enough - we can call them both "acquired tastes" (oh, ew) - but the defining line, to me, is that one features a shit volcano and the other one is only like a shit volcano. The actual shit volcano makes me wanna barf, but the one that only resembles one makes me feel sorry for the people in it. And surprised to see people paying to see either.

The only solution is to stay away from both, if you feel conflicted. It is hard to criticize anything if you're willing to sit thru two hours of flying poop and whatnot, but I say carry on.

Posted by: Chickaboom at October 18, 2010 3:06 PM

I just went back to the other two Jackass review-things on this site and read some of the (sanctimonious and prickish) comments again. Cause that's how I roll.

My god what a bunch of sanctimonious pricks (I like that word, let me say it again: sanctimonious pricks).

Dustin, you have my kind persmission to officially stop thiking about this.

Go watch Potemkin, all of you. You earned it!

Posted by: colleen at October 18, 2010 3:09 PM

perhaps asking whether it is stupid or smart is besides the point. if an anthropologist was looking into a foreign culture and examining a cutural artifact, they start from the acceptance that something is a feature of the culture (i.e. 50 million opening weekend) and try to discover it's meaning. They don't get very far if they simply reply that something is stupid or they don't like it.

It may be that our culture has need of outbursts into absurdity. I often thought there was in jackass something almost profound in the voluntary violence. We are a culture obsessed with comfort and safety, we have massive drugstores to ensure we never have to cope with much, we exercise a near crippling neurotic obsession with safety which now extends to our parenting where children are not allowed to do much of anything. And then Jackass comes along and devises situations that can only result in pain and injury. These events do have a purpose because when they filmed them for our benefit we felt drawn to watch.

or maybe, in our culture's attempts to develop a rationally based world we have inadvertently overpopulated it and poisoned it, and one of the anxious responses is temporary flights from rationality.

these are simply notions, not arguments i am dug in about, but they serve to illustrate that if you are going to examine a successful movie and bring out the idea of culture, there are better ways to fritter your time thinking about it than going 'gosh thats really stupid, we are a nation of idiots'.

Posted by: idleprimate at October 18, 2010 3:16 PM

I haven't read the previous post, so forgive me if I'm being redundant, but why not just accept Jackass as post-modern slapstick?

If we hold the 3 Stooges as a paragon of classical humour, why not see Jackass as the same concept, minus plot, updated for modern audiences?

Posted by: Machine at October 18, 2010 3:17 PM

i might add, that if one wanted to suggest jackass an example of the sort of decadence that historically precedes the collapse of a civilization, you would have to include the sheer amount of time and energy we as a people devote to entertainment--putting les miserables and jackass in the same boatload of evidence.

Posted by: idleprimate at October 18, 2010 3:20 PM

"Jackass" IS culture. "Jackass" is a direct descendant of the spectacle-based, vaudevillian short films of the 10's and 20's. Yes, it's grotesque and profane, but it's still culture, dammit.

"Norbit" and "Meet the Fockers" are on a lower level than "Jackass 3D" because of their narrative pretensions. Rather than attempt to serve up a lame narrative, "Jackass 3D" gives us exactly what we came for; and without the pretension.

Posted by: Kush at October 18, 2010 3:22 PM

Chris from Delaware, you're hilarious!

Wait, you're serious?

OK, then you're really hilarious.

On-topic: Jackass is just stupid. It is absolutely possible for it to be both self-aware AND fucking stupid. One does not preclude the other. It also doesn't make Steve-O and company some subversive group of savants.

And yet, you're not some sort of moron for enjoying it (though you ARE if you enjoy Norbit). It's certainly not my thing, but as a guy who's laughed more than once at someone taking a shot to the wontons, who the hell am I to judge?

Posted by: Perfect Tommy at October 18, 2010 3:28 PM

Oh, Dustin, you're so good at screwing up. And then you're so good at apologizing. I just can't quit you!

Anyway, ugh, Jackass. On the one hand, I just do.not.get.it. On the other hand, my bestest friend for the last 25 years, who is a very genteel, sophisticated lady of high intelligence, who would never stoop so low as to go see a "horror" movie with me, fucking loves the Jackass oeuvre. In fact, I may babysit her wee infant so she can go see this 3-D extravaganza au théatre. Then again, her husband may simply refuse to go, so I'd be off the hook.

Ultimately, while I may not personally like Jackass, I don't see it as having any net effect on the decline of our culture. Just look at the realms of education and politics if you want to see what's really bringin' us down.

Posted by: MM at October 18, 2010 3:32 PM

I'm sorry. I don't get it. At all. I've never laughed at Jackass. I caught the show a few times and I was simply mystified. I didn't bother watching the films. Maybe it's a cultural thing. Any non-Americans want to weigh in? Is it an American humour thing or am I just not in the demographic?

Posted by: Joker at October 18, 2010 3:36 PM

So, the 3 stooges are the cultural ancestors of Jackass. Go ahead and take away my man card, but I loathe the 3 stooges. They were miserable angry clueless men both in their films and in real life, a la Jackass. Give me the Marx Brothers every damn time. Watch one of their movies, and not only will you see slapstick, you will also get wordplay, amazing musicianship, singing, and dancing, and some cultural critique as well, all while being funny, and at times willfully stupid. These are the vaudvillians that should be emulated, because they were performers with the skill to make their schtick look effortless. I see none of that in Jackass.
There really isn't a modern cultural equivalent to Groucho and the boys, because we're content to be entertained with as little effort as possible, both in creation and consumption. That's the elephant in the room-the one I'm hunting in my pajamas. How he got in my pajamas, I'll never know.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at October 18, 2010 3:38 PM

Give me the Marx Brothers every damn time.

Fucking word, Creosote.

Posted by: TK at October 18, 2010 3:40 PM

So...all the other fairly decent films you snidely turned your sophisticated nose up at and Jackass is the one that finally gets people worked up?

Weird.

Posted by: alphawhiskey at October 18, 2010 3:40 PM

So, the jist of all this existential despair is looking for the distinction between Jackass and something like Norbit or Meet the Fockers. I think it's about expectation of emotional investment. The makers of Fockers might know its shit, but there is still a narrative. The makers of Fockers and Norbit created an empty shell of a story, filled it with their shit and sold it back to the people for a buck. Thus, Fockers counts to some degree as an attempt to create culture, however empty it may have been, and thus stings deeper. You could argue that the knowledge that the're making shit and then creating an imitation of emotion so that they can sell it as a story is somewhat nihilistic.

Jackass is stupid. The people who made it probably know its stupid, but there is no possibility that anyone will ever care about this movie, and everyone know this. It doesn't create an imitation of emotion so it doesn't really count.

This is just my take on it. I hope it made sense...I actually hate Jackass. At the end of the day the're still really fucking stupid movies. Its just that this time the 50 million opening doesn't bother me.

Posted by: JR at October 18, 2010 3:52 PM

Perfect Tommy - I said those who voted for Bush, not Bush himself or his political advisors/cabinet.

Can we separate "Bush" and "those who voted for Bush"? A lot of people voted for Bush, but that doesn't make them Bush.

Just like all political races, you're choosing the candidate who most represents your views. That was no different in 2000 and 2004.

Posted by: Chris from Delaware at October 18, 2010 3:54 PM

I love Jackass. But I also have the sense of humor of a 14 year old boy. The thing is, I really do think Jackass is funny - although I have to admit, I'm less a fan of the vomit-inducing bodily fluids/waste bits than the rest of it (I almost threw up myself at the horse bit from Jackass 2.)

The thing is, I don't think Meet the Fockers and its ilk are funny. So I don't like them. Although it sounds like the third one may have crossed out of this territory for me, at least the Jackass movies succeed at what they try to do - be stupid, funny, entertaining pieces of crap.

In Jackass, uncomfortable situations are (or at least can be) entertaining because the Jackass guys intentionally put themselves in those situations. Whereas (assuming a suspension of disbelief, obviously) in terrible movies like Norbit or whatever, uncomfortable situations are just uncomfortable. And not funny.

I'm not being as articulate as I'd like about this, and I'm obviously coming late to this debate. But for me, the difference is just in what actually succeeds in being funny/entertaining and what doesn't. Jackass may be stupid, but it's stupid I laugh at and am entertained by. Life as we Know It is just stupid.

And yes, I do realize that, while I might think a movie is bad, I probably shouldn't judge anybody for like stupid shit.

Except for Twilight. I can't help being judge-y about Twilight.

Posted by: GwenBear at October 18, 2010 4:04 PM

Chris and Tommy better calm down. We don't want Homeland Security
confiscating Pajiba's hard drives again, especially over Jackass review.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at October 18, 2010 4:05 PM

I believe one actually becomes a sanctimonious prick, one's own self, the moment that one labels other ones as sanctimonious pricks.

Welcome to Sanctimonious Prickhood, colleen.


Sincerely,
One of your fellow pricks in Sanctimony

Posted by: Rykker at October 18, 2010 4:05 PM

Personally, I don't understand why filing Jackass under the "Guilty Pleasure" category should cause Dustin, or anyone else, to question their intellectual integrity...that's why it's called a guilty pleasure. The important thing is to categorize it as such and not try to pass it off as anything more.

Not to beat the whole "Intent" question to death, but I would like to throw in my two cents. Of all the trashy day time talk shows, I respected Jerry Springer the most. I respected him because he looked right into the camera and said, "This show is garbage, I'm just gonna parade freaks in front of you for an hour and you will fucking love it." What really chapped my ass were all of the Rikki Lake's and Maury Povich's who paraded America's most unfortunate on stage and tried to say that they're trying to make a difference in these people's lives. That's bullshit. And so, even though Springer was the trashiest of them all, I respected him more than the others. I put Jackass in the same category as Jerry Springer, I don't do the same for should-be-abortions like Norbit.

Posted by: RomeoCranberry at October 18, 2010 4:08 PM

it might be late in the game to point out that jackass is a collection of stunts, spectacles that are not simulations and they are performed by trained stunt and circus people, and are a relatively unusual cultural artifact.

While we keep comparing them with genre narratives, often in genres that people feel overly fatigued with for a lack of creativity in a glutted market.

Maybe a lot of people go out to see the authenticity of daredevils as well as the self-mockery and satisfied good natures of the stunt people. maybe in a sea of bad narratives (something everyone seems to agree on) it is ironically refreshing.

Posted by: idleprimate at October 18, 2010 4:24 PM

Dustin might not judge you, but I do.

Posted by: Robert at October 18, 2010 4:26 PM

I wonder how many people watch, and will keep watching just on the hope/terror of waiting around until one of these guys seriously hurts himself, loses a limb or, hell, just die. Because you know they'd totally film that shit.

Posted by: figgy at October 18, 2010 4:31 PM

OK, let's get to the bottom of this.

the question is this: Is Jackass BOTH stupid and smart, or just stupid? And if it’s the latter, and I admit to liking it, do I destroy my credibility?

The first question will never have a satisfactory answer, but we can err on the side of 'just stupid' and still come up with an unequivocal "No" to the second question.

Is Jackass smart? You will never get three people in a room to agree on that. My Dad says that he likes Howard Stern because even though the show can be exceedingly stupid and crass, "Howard Stern is a smart guy," implying that there is a higher, more sophisticated level that the refined listeners can appreciate, a difference between Howard the character and Howard the creator, layers of irony and social commentary waiting to be teased out. I have heard the same defense of Jerry Springer (back when he was culturally relevant) and Johnny Knoxville. These are all fairly bright guys capable of speaking intelligently about the things they do professionally and keeping the worst of it at arms length, but does that really count for anything? Are there hidden depths to some of this low culture fair, or are people just rationalizing their guilty pleasures?

The truth is that it doesn't matter. If you put in enough effort analyzing the source material you can read depth and meaning into almost anything. Things that the creator may or may not have intended. You can extract social commentary and inter-textual relationships from almost any work of art (Literary Criticism and Modern Art all full of this kind of bullshitting). Granted no one is going to buy your reading of extended metaphor and unexplored subtext of Big Mommas House but with something like Jackass we are more willing to consider it (and maybe just because we want to believe it has depth so we feel better about ourselves for watching it).

But that is going to be a circular argument, and if it provides you comfort it is false comfort. The real question is why you feel the need to justify yourself in the first place? Why is it important that you find some redeeming intellectual merit in Jackass? Why does that effect your credibility or your ability to enjoy and criticize other things? I am far more troubled by your insecurity and discomfort over this than with the fact that you enjoyed Jackass. As far as I am concerned Jackass should either be enjoyed or ignored, and it's entirely up to you which camp you fall in.

Why do people take this stuff so seriously? I don't mean the good stuff- that is serious, that is what matters- I mean why do people take the bad stuff so seriously? Why get upset over a stupid remake or the popularity of a crappy pop star or how much the kid on Two and a Half Men makes? It doesn't matter. And if you occasionally watch that show or listen to that pop star that doesn't matter either.

Why do people who are otherwise intelligent and possessing of good taste get so hung up on this idea that they must keep themselves pure and condemn anything that isn't up to their peer group's standards? It doesn't matter if you listen to Brittney or Beiber, or watch Jersey Shore or Real Housewives, or see Twilight or Wolverine. If you really think that your patronage of these things has a meaningful effect on the ability of quality movies, music, and television to be produced your sense of perspective is all fucked up.

It doesn't matter what your "guilty pleasure" is. Fuck that guilt, own your pleasure. Enjoy it if you can, when you can, while you can. Sing along with Fergi in the car or just zone out and watch Michael Bay blow shit up. Whatever gets you off. It's going to happen anyway and if you can cop a few hours of pleasure out of its existence then good for you. That's a great thing to have in this world, and far more important than guilt or purity.

If you want to support and advocate for good, quality art that's great. Do it by focusing on the good stuff. Talk about it. Spend money on it. Read books, watch challenging yet stimulating films and recommend them to your friends. Support good music, literature, comic books, and whatever else. Visit websites you like, link to them, maybe even click on some ads. Focus on your positive actions and contributions. You don't have to do this exclusively- This isn't some radical and intolerant religion, we don't need extremists- just do it sometimes, and enjoy yourself all the time, as much as you can.

Posted by: Yossarian at October 18, 2010 4:33 PM

I haven't read the previous post, so forgive me if I'm being redundant, but why not just accept Jackass as post-modern slapstick?

If we hold the 3 Stooges as a paragon of classical humour, why not see Jackass as the same concept, minus plot, updated for modern audiences?

Posted by: Machine at October 18, 2010 3:17 PM


How is watching a pig eat an apple out of a large man's butt "slapstick"? Or watching people vomit all over the place? My problem with this kind of movie isn't that it's a guilty pleasure, it's that it's disgusting. I'm not going to judge if you like escapism, but I do. not. get. how 5 million people wanted to watch poop.

To quote Idiocracy: "There was a time when reading wasn't just for fags. And neither was writing. People wrote books and movies. Movies with stories, that made you care about whose ass it was and why it was farting. And I believe that time can come again!" Word Joe.

Posted by: Vee at October 18, 2010 4:37 PM

"I believe one actually becomes a sanctimonious prick, one's own self, the moment that one labels other ones as sanctimonious pricks.

Welcome to Sanctimonious Prickhood, colleen."


Sincerely,
One of your fellow pricks in Sanctimony"

Hey, aren't you SO glad I did not substitute "douchebag" for "prick?" Then we'd be bummed, huh, my brother Ryyker?

Here's to sanctimony. And pricks (yay pricks!).

Posted by: colleen at October 18, 2010 4:43 PM

I was thinking about this today and I would add that part of the appeal(?) of Jackass is the freak show spectacle of it all. It dares you to look away from the vileness on screen. Making it through a Jackass movie without gagging or covering your eyes is like tackling the scariest haunted house attraction or keeping your hands in the air the whole time on a roller coaster. It's a vicarious thrill and I'm sure that's part of the reason it came out in October when people are looking for those kinds of group experiences.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 18, 2010 4:57 PM

Interesting Jackass discussions on this thread and the other. I just have zero interest these movies. I doubt I'll ever see any of them from start to finish.

I must admit, though, that on Friday when I saw that video of Brett Favre getting hit in the groin with the football at practice, I laughed, rewound, rewatched it, and laughed again.

Real-life Idiocracy is very frightening to me, but if our enjoyment of stupidity remains in moderation, I don't see the problem. I guess that's the whole point of this $50 million alarm that we're sounding, but given the price of 3-D tickets these days, I don't think this marks the opening of the seventh seal quite yet.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 18, 2010 5:15 PM

I think the problem here is that we're asking the wrong questions.

I mean let's be real

'Ouch My Balls!' Is probably a Hilarious show. The problem is that in Idiocracy an entire society shut down to watch it. The responsibility of grooming humans to be better individuals is not on film makers. It's on us.

You want the difference between Norbit and Jackass?

Individuals watch Norbit, and are two stupid to realize its bad fiction, and believe things in the real world happen that way, because at times the movie looks like reality.

But Jackass is reality. It's not fiction. Those are real people doing stupid things. sometimes, because the film is rolling, sometimes the film just happened to be. Is it detrimental to our society? Shit I don't know probably. But it's also a fucking mirror, which makes it not only viable entertainment but incredibly important. I mean look at all the comments about this piece of shit. Now find me another movie that inspired this much genuine conversation about the nature of our society that came out this year.

Haha jokes on us. These idiots made us look at ourselves.

Posted by: Blank at October 18, 2010 5:55 PM

"Jackass" is obviously stupid. Most of "popular" culture has always been stupid, kind of aimed at the lowest common denominator among the stupid populace, just because it's easy.

It's like how women get attention. Some women get attention by being smart or funny or talented, or several of those things. And a distressingly large percentage of women can't (or don't want to bother) to get attention being smart or amusing or talented (at some skill, like singing or dancing), so they just show their boobs or ass or whatever. Being naked is easy and virtually labor-free, so it's a go-to move for a lot of chicks (actually, it's kind of a go-to move for anybody, male or female, who wants everybody to look at them).

So the makers of "Jackass" don't want to go to the trouble of being clever or thoughtful, so they just make each other do stupid and/or gross shit and call it a day. I don't watch it but I don't care if other people enjoy it. I guess self-abuse doesn't trigger my outrage meter.

If they were abusing innocent bystanders (which probably couldn't happen anyway, "Jackass" would have been canceled the first week it aired after MTV got sued for inflicting intentional emotional harm on someone), that'd be different, but since these are idiots inflicting harm on themselves, it ain't no thing to me. I can't imagine sitting at home and watching some of the gross shit some people have described, but I'm not a teenage boy. I've never liked gross-out humor and I definitely don't want to watch people hurl or do anything remotely involved with shit.

I know I rag on them all the time, but whatever, I'll do it again: I'd rather watch Johnny Knoxville dance a naked jig on the pile of money he's gotten from "Jackass" for a full hour than watch 5 seconds of anybody named Kardashian doing anything, especially anything that involves talking.

Posted by: Slash at October 18, 2010 5:57 PM

As the Saw movies are to horror, Jackass is to slapstick. They provide the same kind of voyeuristic circle jerk for the viewers, right? I call dibs on coining StupidPorn for this genre.

Posted by: monkeyhateclean at October 18, 2010 5:57 PM

Deus ex Bhakhtin-a!

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at October 18, 2010 6:09 PM

2 Girls/1 Cup - Girls + Penis = Jackass.

And the Oscar for Best Picture of 2015 goes to... Fat Kid Face-Plant!

God, I hope I die soon.

Posted by: The Mutt at October 18, 2010 6:17 PM

There are not two categories of film. A movie is neither "smart" nor "stupid." That's people. Don't confuse people with art.

I have a friend who cannot sit through most of the movies I love. He won't watch samurai movies unless they're dubbed. He hates movies like The Mechanic, Pi and Inception. But plop him down in front of the TV for some Chuck Norris or Steven Segal and he's content. It's not because those movies are stupid; it's because my friend is stupid.

And get this. He's not stupid because he likes those movies. I also happen to like those movies (truth be told, I like 95% of the movies I watch -- what can I say, I don't frequent a movie review site for nothin'). His movie choices are not what define him as "smart" or "stupid." It is his general lack of information retention, his inability to learn new skills, his complete failure to think laterally or logically, his emotional instability/immaturity and poor use of the English language. He's dumb, man. He's great, but he's fucking stupid. Hell, part of the reason he's great is because he's fucking stupid. He's like Charlie Day.

Movies like Jackass appeal to him because they don't require him to think much. So they're easier to enjoy. But again, I want to stress that doesn't mean the movie itself is either "smart" or "stupid." Movies are just art, and art is defined by the audience.

I enjoyed Jackass 3D. I fucking loved Jackass 3D! Not ironically. Not as a "guilty pleasure." Not with a bunch of excuses. I just fucking loved it. It was hilarious. I laughed for 90 minutes straight. I laughed when the pig had to eat an apple out of a fat man's ass. I laughed when they taunted a ram util it battered them. I nearly pissed myself when a gigantic slingshot launched a man into the air drenching him in feces. I laughed harder and longer than I've laughed at any movie since Jackass 2, and before that Jackass, The Movie. Because it was hilarious, ridiculous, offensive, unbearably uncomfortable, a little bit sexy, and completely painful. Not because it was "stupid."

When I read the last article, it seemed like one more snooty, hipster commentary that completely missed the point. I couldn't even muster the will to complain, that's how ridiculous the last article was. I felt instanly alienated.

Jackass 3D undoubtedly appeals to stupid people. It is probably a pretty strong template for the things that stupid people like in their cinema. But that doesn't mean that only stupid people are capable of enjoying it. And it doesn't mean that the movie itself is "stupid."

Posted by: superasente at October 18, 2010 6:28 PM

Hey, idleprimate (3:16 PM),

Right back 'atcha on the blog idea. Nice one!

Posted by: replica at October 18, 2010 6:46 PM

"God, I hope I die soon."

I hope you do, too. One fewer sanctimonious prick drowning in his own ennui...right? I'm with Colleen on this one: Get over yourselves.

But yeah...Knoxville > Kardashians.

Posted by: klingonfree at October 18, 2010 6:59 PM

And the Oscar for Best Picture of 2015 goes to... Fat Kid Face-Plant!

God, I hope I die soon.

Posted by: The Mutt at October 18, 2010 6:17 PM

Fuck you man. Football To The Groin forever. Perhaps Dog Peeing on Toddler can win once in a while.

Posted by: admin at October 18, 2010 7:52 PM

I haven't watched much Jackass, but isn't judging it on the same basis as you do other movies the same as reviewing hardcore porn based on romantic comedy conventions?

Even Norbit purports to have characters, a plot, setting, costumes, and most importantly writing, which gives you a basis to criticize it, but porn is just porn, and Jackass is just schadenfreude and spectacle.

Then again, I could see Dustin criticizing people's taste in porn.
"You like bang-bus? What are you, five?"

Posted by: Rotsujin at October 18, 2010 9:20 PM

How is watching a pig eat an apple out of a large man's butt "slapstick"? Or watching people vomit all over the place? My problem with this kind of movie isn't that it's a guilty pleasure, it's that it's disgusting. I'm not going to judge if you like escapism, but I do. not. get. how 5 million people wanted to watch poop.

This is my stance, with this franchise and similar "comedy" in films. I get the humor in a nutshot. I can even enjoy a nice fart joke. But actual bodily fluids? No. Just no. It is disgusting.

Well let me clarify. Jokes about bodily fluids can be funny. But the fluids themselves are rarely not. It is like the really bad episodes of Family Guy or Those Films That Shall Not Be Named, where repeated cultural references are made without any real punchlines. They think the mere reference would be enough to count as a joke. That is the same here: just because somebody is puking, that doesn't make it funny to me. But apparently that is enough for some people.

I actually laughed at the giant hand scene in the trailer. Guess what? THAT IS ACTUAL SLAPSTICK. Slapstick is using acts of violence in a cartoonish way. What exactly about consuming or vomiting bodily excrements fits that description?

By the way, if you liked Jackass, then I feel you can't complain about America's Funniest Home Videos still being on the air. I mean, what is the difference? It is still folks getting paid to show themselves getting hurt. Only in the latter, it is usually unplanned.

Posted by: Vermillion at October 18, 2010 9:52 PM

Even Norbit purports to have characters, a plot, setting, costumes, and most importantly writing, which gives you a basis to criticize it, but porn is just porn, and Jackass is just schadenfreude and spectacle.

There is porn with honest-to-God attempts at storytelling and character. Even "Debbie Does Dallas" has a plot, however thin it may be. So your comparison is lacking.

Posted by: Vermillion at October 18, 2010 9:57 PM

And as far as respecting the honesty of their stupidity, I'll say that I'd rather use my respect for someone who honestly TRIED to do something smart and failed than someone who went for something stupid and succeeded. That goes for anything considered entertainment, whether preplanned or not.

Posted by: Vermillion at October 18, 2010 10:09 PM

Three glasses of wine into the evening can I just say that I'd watch Jackass 12 and ENJOY it as an honest attempt at entertainment before I'd ever watch Eat Pray Love? Ever? Ever. Never.

There's funny and lowbrow and gross and then there's pretentious bullshit pandering to the faux open-minded masses. Pbthhhpfft.

At least Jackass is not pretending to be anything it is not. It's the Brett Favre video on steroids. And you know THAT was funny.

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Posted by: jesuschrysler at October 19, 2010 12:58 AM

SUCK my digital wang jackass haters. And when I get to finishin you best get to steppin cuz my load could kill a full grown mallard at thirty yards. Bitches.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at October 19, 2010 1:07 AM

Sorry to repeat myself, but I prematurely posted this comment on a seemingly dead thread in the initial review:

Wow. I have no problem with people disliking Jackass, but I'm having a real hard time taking all the self-righteous whining seriously. Let me get this straight... You think the world is now "officially" going down the drain as opposed to just circling it because a dick-and-fart-joke movie did well at the box office?

Oh the melodrama.

Dick and fart jokes have always been around. Read a little Chaucer and you'll find some good ones. Better yet, pick up a copy of Jonathan Swift's classic, "The Benefit of Farting." This hardly qualifies as a portent of the apocalypse.

Even the most cursory glance at humanity's accelerating achievements in science and technology is more than enough to prove that we are not going down the tubes Idiocracy style.

So the dumb shit is getting dumber. Big deal. If you want to weep about something there are far more important demons to exorcise.

While I understand the distaste for the more vile skits, I can't help but be a little disappointed that the focus was entirely on these aspects. For all the stupidity, you can't help but be blown away by the creativity of some of their ideas and Johnny Knoxville's effortless ability to inject clever witticisms into stunts that might otherwise be bland. Case in point, the stunt titled "The Invisible Man," in which knoxville's face and clothing have been painted to perfectly match the colourful backdrop in front of which he stands. When a bull is released in his general vicinity, he struggles to remain still and perfectly camouflaged. Sue me. I think that is funny and creative. After the bull took his first run at him and Knoxville rushed to get himself back into position and asked: "Am I still invisible?" I laughed my ass off. Just saying.

Having said that, I feel that I should acknowledge that -- aside from the addition of 3d -- there was very little about Jackass 3d that stood out to me. Jackass the Movie made the show obsolete for me. Jackass Number Two raised the intensity again, rendering the first one kind of boring. 3d did very little but continue what number two started.

The final part of the Jackass 3D credits, during which nostalgic shots of the cast in the early days are played over the song lyrics: "memories make me want to go back there," gave me the impression that this is intended to be the last entry in the saga. Whether or not this ends up being the case ($50 million might encourage them), I don't know.

Posted by: Daventhal at October 19, 2010 1:21 AM

My disbelief is that perhaps no one knew how gross this movie was going to be, and I would have expected the negative word of mouth to have killed it off...
Instead I now picture the rednecks of Idiocracy getting hot and bothered after watching this and cranking out more dullards that can grow up to watch Jackass 666...
And my wife and I are like the couple in Idiocracy, who thought the time was never right to have children and then decided not to have any...Ack! It is coming true...

Posted by: TrickyHD at October 19, 2010 8:28 AM

I try not to think of myself as just someone who "trolls" around this here site. I've been responding since '06, and it's usually to something that interests me, or strikes me as rather blatant or one-sided.

I would instead like to think of myself as one of the lone voices of reason in the otherwise insane world known as Pajiba.


Posted by: Some Guy at October 19, 2010 9:57 AM

I don't think watching the movie is as bad as wasting time sitting around trying to find some pseudo-intellectual justification for watching it.

It's gross-out porn. There's death-porn, torture-porn, feel good-porn and gross-out porn to name a few. There is no intellectual point to it other than a viscereal sensation.

Everybody's got an itch they need to scratch.

I know people who hate Nina Hartley, and I cannot understand them anymore than I understand people who like Steve-O's film. That doesn't mean I am a bad person for liking Ms. Hartley.

Posted by: ChuckFilm at October 19, 2010 1:27 PM

I think a large part of Dustins problem isnt that he likes Jackass... it's that he likes Jackass and so does everyone else.

This means that for ~2 hours, he was forced to accept that sometimes, if only just sometimes, he was no better than the average movie goer he spends a good deal of his day lambasting for being moronic, easily entertained, undiscerning and occasionally responsible for the decline of the world.

The problem isn't to try to explain this away. It's to own it. We all, every single person commenting, has movies they love that are average or below average. Me? I watch Sweet Home Alabama probably twice a month. Fuck you. It's awesome. Dustin watches Jackass. My mom? She watches Air Force 1 or Independence Day.

We're all smart people. Hell, my aforementioned mum is teaching at 2 universities and finishing up her PhD dissertation. We watch dumb movies because sometimes, you just need to turn your brain off. And there is no shame in that.

In short: Dear Dustin - Being fucking awesome and intellectually superior is goddamn exhausting, I know. Do not be ashamed that you take a break from it now and again to enjoy some crotch shots. It's ok. Own it. Love it. Work it. Comfort yourself in knowing that you're low balling it (pun totally fucking intended) and the rest of the audience... well they havent got a fucking clue.

Posted by: Lennon at October 19, 2010 1:36 PM

Vermillion: 'Yeah I saw a porno this one time that had a plot, so uh yeah, your argument is invalid.'

I think you missed the point, you pretentious wanker.

Posted by: Rotsujin at October 19, 2010 5:56 PM

I think you missed the point, you pretentious wanker.

The "point" was that porn, like Jackass, shouldn't be criticized like more standard films (like Norbit) because they don't attempt plot and character.

I got the point just fine, asshole.

Posted by: Vermillion at October 20, 2010 3:28 PM

SUCK my digital wang jackass haters. And when I get to finishin you best get to steppin cuz my load could kill a full grown mallard at thirty yards. Bitches.

fucking WORD, yo.

And furthermore...I've enjoyed reading the comments on the 3 reviews more than I've enjoyed most things on this site recently, so for that I give Jackass 3D and A+++.

Posted by: jamiepants at October 21, 2010 10:20 AM