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Fight the Power! Support Gay Marriage at Chick-fil-A Today By Not Being a Complete and Total Douchebag

By Dustin Rowles | Think Pieces | August 3, 2012 | Comments ()


This is probably not the proper venue, but I have to get this off my chest.

I think that 99.5 percent of the people who read this site can all agree that Chick-Fil-A is a terrible corporate organization, and that the opinions on "family values" of COO Dan Cathy are not so much reprehensible as they are simply misguided, wrongheaded, and backwards. He doesn't value gay marriage, and I think that's wrong. He may also be a terrible person, but that's not because of his politics.

I'm also a huge supporter of gay rights, obviously. Growing up with a gay father in the Bible belt, you see a lot of the insidious ugliness fomented by the likes of Dan Cathy. My father had the shit beat out of him with a glass coke bottle simply for being seen with another man, never mind the fact that he was hiding away in some hidden area when he was spotted with another man. In Arkansas, you had to keep your gay relationships on the down-low for fear of exactly what happened to him. Did the redneck who beat the shit out of my Dad give any consideration to the possibility that the man he put in the hospital had three kids at home who depended on his meager income to occasionally eat? Probably not. He just saw two men together and decided that their affection for one another was unacceptable, and took it upon himself to stamp it out. Did it change anything? Did he make my Dad straight? No, but he did make him terrified of being seen with another man for fear of losing an eye for the rest of his life.

But things in most of the country have come a long way since then. A majority of Americans either support or are at least are indifferent to gay marriage (we'll take it!); gay marriage is allowed in five states; the gays are running around our television sets and movie screens, gaying it up! If you're under the age of 25, unless you're a 5-year-old shithead with terrible evangelical parents or Bristol Palin's kid, gay relationships are not that big of a deal.

Indeed, we live in a world where -- at least in certain parts of the country -- this is cool (and in fact, adorable):



and where an A-list director can get a sex-change operation, and for the first time in her life, truly be herself without it being a huge deal.

More needs to be done, obviously (and if you live in Maine, please make sure to vote to legalize same-sex marriage in our state this November!). But we're definitely on our way, and this meme will likely be a reality in closer to 10 years rather than 40.


However, you're not going to advance any progressive cause by being an asshole bully. Leave that to Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Being an asshole bully is how you fight to maintain the status quo.

Which brings me to a video I stumbled upon yesterday, where a man named Adam Smith -- the CFO/Treasurer of some company called Vante -- went the Chick-fil-A's drive-thru, ordered a free water, and then berated the woman at the drive-thru window who handed it to her about the corporate policies of Chick-fil-A.

To be honest, I haven't made it through that entire video because I can't make myself watch it all. It makes me too uncomfortable and too embarrassed for the poor woman. Because here's the thing: I don't know who that woman is, but for $8 an hour, she should not have to put up with that guy's sh*t. He may be fighting the good fight, but he's taking it to the wrong goddamn person. That woman has no control over Chick-fil-A's corporate policies. I don't know what her position on gay marriage is (she may reveal it at the end of the video, but like I said, I can't watch that far), but all she did was take a f*cking job that requires her to put on a sh*tty goddamn uniform and put up with assholes for, at most, $70 a day.

Again, I don't know her position on gay marriage, but I do know this: Nobody chooses to work at Chick-fil-A. I guaran-damn-tee you that she didn't wake up one morning and say, "Hey! I'm going to take a degrading, thankless, crappy job that requires me to deal with awful people in Tucson, Arizona all day for barely enough money to make my car payment because Chick-fil-A hates the gays!" She probably took it because she was desperate for a job, and she may in fact have three kids at home who depend on her meager income to support their addiction to food, water, and shelter.

This is not the way to behave. This is not how you show your support. You want to go to Chick-fil-A and make out with your same-sex partner today to show your support for gay marriage? Do it! That's awesome. We'll all applaud that. You want to have sex with your gay partner on the benches outside of Chick-fil-A? Please, be my guest! Just do me a favor: Clean up after yourselves, because the dude being paid minimum wage to stand on his feet, clean out the trashcans, and wash dishes all day doesn't need to have "picking up used condoms" added to his job description.

Be mindful. Be respectful. Fight the power, but leave the minimum wage workers out of it. All bullies suck, no matter what their politics.

(And for the record, Adam Smith was fired from his job for his actions.)

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  • Mrs. Beasley

    What a complete tool. He's so giddy about it too. Watch me everyone, I'm about to harass a drive-thru employee, which is childish and completely pointless, as it will make no difference with anything ever. Then I'm gonna join a sit-in with a group of college students. This is because I am boring and lame, and have never done anything of importance. However, a sit in? That'll show 'em. I'll bring my harmonica. EXCITING! I would be more disgusted with him for being a jerk if I didn't pity him so much for thinking he just really did something great. He didn't deserve that woman being as nice about it as she was. She is blameless. I know some people say, if she continues to work for such a place, she is just as bad. Unfortunately, people with obligations, such as a family and bills, don't have the luxury of quitting a job to make a statement. Perhaps, even if they are for marriage equality, the need for income outweighs standing up for a cause. It is an important issue, but to most people, it's probably not more important then being employed. I would have just shut the window and walked away.

  • mother fucking goose

    And: Tolerance is always a good listen, even when it comes out of nowhere....tolerance shows a little self respect and a little self reliance that you can get yourself back up even if faced against unfair and unjust circumstances. Martin Luther King Jr and the leaders who actually fought for what they felt was deserved and not entitled to them, tolerated and empowered themselves and then they TOLD. Saying bullying shouldn't be tolerated exalts the bullying and then the bully's actions MATTER to the collective conscious more than the initial weight it carried. Things seem like life and death to children. Apathy belongs to the grown ups and our torches need to stay lit for the ones who will grow up in future generations. If you bring your politics into THAT arena, you can fucking fuck yourself, and that's all I have to say about that. Beyond a hero, nothings gonna change our adult world. You have power over your own, if you even dare.

  • mother fucking goose

    The government officials incendiary torches are not lit in opposition to the these associations and their practices, but are instead lit in opposition to private enterprises for their association and allegiance with these groups. Talk about the totem pole. Furthermore, the concern addresses the image of their city, which in turn is a reflection upon the politician as an individual. The Chick-Fil-A rousers, on both sides, aren't even carrying torches, they're merely whooping it up in the streets with both sides thinking its the good fight. This isn't the fight.

  • John G.

    A-Fuckin-Men, Dustin. Gay people obviously should be allowed to get married. And once all these old, stupid hate-filled people die off, we'll move forward together on this. What I really love, though, is your defense of the minimum wage worker. These people do not deserve your scorn. They are the peasants that the rich throw on the fires they start, and they hate their boss more than you ever could.

  • Pessimistic Optimist

    I find it very hypocritical that mayors/politicians of some cities want to prevent a legitemate business that employs people and pays taxes from opening in their jurisdictions simply because the owner of the business has an unpopular opinion of gay marriage, yet the same mayors/politicians have no problem approving mosques from operating in the same jurisdictions. The reason I'm pointing out mosques is because they are representatives of a religion that openly discriminates against gays, to the extent that in some Muslim countries it is perfectly acceptable to murder someone for their homosexuality.

  • BarbadoSlim

    Lemme see if I can make clear my point on this issue. It is my belief that anyone who believes in sexual equality AND happens to work for this company drops their hands their policy would change in 48hours. Rowles's position is that you can't blame their employees. Bullshit, respectfully, bullshit. That's the bullshit excuse used by every oppressor, racist, JimCrowist and nazi enabler in the history of ever.

  • anatomycoloringbook

    Respectfully, I work in fast food (not Chick-Fil-A) and all I'm trying to do is pay my bills. If all of my co workers who disagree with company policy quit, we'd only cause a minor disruption and be replaced quickly. These are jobs, like any other jobs, and we're not responsible for the beliefs of the CEOs. If I worked for Chick-Fil-A, I'd quit. But I'm lucky, I have a college education and will find another job most likely, even in this bad economy. Plus I have my parents who'd help me out. Many people I work with don't have this option. They are high schoolers or people who don't have the privilege of high morals and a paycheck. Yes, we're working for a corrupt system, but there are different levels of guilt.

  • Clancys_Daddy

    Being an asshole on either side of the argument is not being a freedom fighter, it's just being an asshole.

  • no one

    Hmm… “Be mindful. Be respectful. Fight the power, but leave the minimum wage workers out of it. All bullies suck, no matter what their politics.” Like linking to a bullshit story filled with hate like the one about Tripp Palin? I see, a new usage of the world 'respectful' I was not previously aware of.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I'm not watching the video - it sounds mostly like a stupid harassing attack.

    But two thoughts - which don't necessarily dovetail

    Chick-fil-a may be a shitty place to work. I don't know - I don't work there. BUT - it may also be a much better place to work than many other fast food places. It's possible that the Christian ethics that make them anti-gay also mean they are kinder employers in other ways - such as not being open on Sunday, insuring that you get at least one weekend day with your family.

    And I do think as an employee, you should care to some extent about what causes your labor supports. It may be that employees don't make gay marriage their priority political issue. It may be that they don't think the money the corporation puts into the fight will be enough to stop gay marriage from becoming a legality. I think you should know what the companies you work for stand for - even if you're low-level. I also think it pretty unlikely that you are ever going to work for a company that supports all of the exact same political stances you have. I think it's damn hard, even if you're self-employed. Be informed, and decide what your deal-breakers are. Every company comes with baggage.

  • pumpkin

    Personally, I'm grateful for this controversy because it brings the assholes out from under their rocks where we can see them (on both sides, but holy shit! there are a lot of people who still love slinging anti-gay rhetoric).

  • Pookie

    In what world is sitting down and eating a chicken sandwich and watching two hot broads getting it on a bad thing?

  • SillyCecil

    I ate a chicken sandwich for lunch!! I mean it was a different day and a different fast food joint, but it counts right? I showed my support for the sanctity and rights of cows,and if i read it all right that's what all the hub bub was about, correct? Oh crap does this mean I'm muslim now?? But seriously people on both sides of this need to stop being assholes.

  • googergieger

    I have something to say on this. I have no idea where a chick fila is around San Diego. I'm sure they exist. I'm sure they do alright. Sure it tastes great. Though really how different can you make Chicken taste? I mean if I am eating chicken at a fast food place, chances are I'm drunk to boot. In which case it doesn't really matter. It all tastes like vodka and redbull. Not to mention KFC has some pretty great deals and Stephen Fry is a Kentucky Colonel. So I imagine they have some pretty great gay policies. Or at they very least love our leader. Anyways, yeah. Two wrongs don't make a right. In much the same way if you are two hours into a, "I know you are but what am I" with a child. You are the one that comes off the childish rhymes with runt. Going out of your way to hate a fast food place because their owner is a dick is pretty effin stupid. I mean as a rule of thumb every boss ever is a dick. Makes it easier to work at a crappy job when you hate the person you work for. Think that is one thing that can bring us gays and straights together. Also, think we can all pretty much agree the Westboro baptist church is just awful. I mean like it should be fiction awful. Like being the last bit in the human centipede over sitting through one of their hate meetings isn't even a contest awful.


  • MJ

    Thank you for this. Just .. thank you.

  • John

    Thank God Obama changed his position on s/s marriage a few months back! Otherwise he'd be a hateful bigot too, I guess!

  • SecurityFrog

    i supported gay marriage by using my reasoning skills to argue on Facebook. brilliant, aren't i.

  • TJ

    This thing is ridiculous on both sides. But gay-marriage proponents HAVE to admit the mayors started it, and of course the s*** would hit the fan pretty soon.
    People are basically behaving as teenagers. Grown-up people are, which is quite worrying. ANY opinion you have, there are probably 100s of people who are opposed to it, now and forever. There's nothing you can do about it. If one of these persons owns a business, you're free to stay away.
    Going to these restaurants and kiss your same-sex lover is ridiculous, typical teenage behaviour. "Look how edgy I am". This COO guy might be an asshole. Well he's free to vote for any candidate who supports his position, you're free to do the same. Deal with it.

  • gunnertec

    I thought the drive-thru woman handled the verbal tirade with dignity and grace. She's a hero.

  • Torgotronic

    Why aren't people protesting at the retail outlets that sell tobacco products? Tobacco is responsible for more death & suffering in this world than any anti-gay nonsense (and don't get me wrong, being anti-gay is nonsense). I just wish more people would get as irritated at national retailers (especially pharmacies, for God's sake) that continue to sell this poison.

  • PoBiddy

    The left has given themselves a big old black eye over this whole manufactured controversy. They would have us believe that disagreement = hate. The true outrage is that so many sheeple have bought into it. So what if Cathy supports "traditional marriage" or donates to like-minded charities? I haven't seen, heard, or read anything that indicates he or his company discriminates. Nor have I seen, heard, or read anything that indicates he or his company hates gays. He simply doesn't agree. And that is a mortal sin in this politically correct culture we're cursed with.

    And that ridiculous graphic up there attempting to link the fake chicken culture war with the civil rights movement is a disgrace. It's an insult to the historic struggle minorities experienced in the attempt to end discrimination. How does that possibly have anything to do with a bunch of modern liberals crying over chicken sandwiches?

    A sad day for our country.

  • dahlia6

    Simply put, its easier to kick the low man on the totem pole than to aim at the shithead at the top. As someone who's worked for a myriad of shitty corporations in her lifetime, I can't tell you how many times I've been threatened, screamed at, and physically assaulted. I once had to pull a pipe wrench on a guy who didn't understand our return policy and thought beating the shit out of me would get him a circular saw replaced faster. As the low man on the pole, I've always tried (not always successfully) to keep from exploding at these morons. I tell them, "You have a complaint? Call corporate. Here is their number." And I give them the number. But no, they don't want to yell at someone who has the power to shut them down. They just want to yell do they feel better about themselves, like they''re a big man and they SHOWED Corporate who was boss, when all they did was pile more shit on someone who has getting shit-piled in their job description.

    Is Chick-fil-A a terrible organization? You betcha, and kudos on everyone for standing up for their rights and equality. You'll never hear me bitch about that. But for God's sake, leave the little guys alone. Its hard enough to make ends meet, gay, straight, or bi, to have someone you don't know and who doesn't know you give you shit when you're just trying to keep your crappy house and feed your rugrats.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Why do so many managers and organizations tolerate abuse directed at their employees?

    It's counterproductive. You hire people so they can do stuff for you, effectively. Nobody wants an employee to fail, or even be much bugged in doing the job you need.

  • Jezzer

    It's the "Customer is always right" bullshit that permeates the service industry. It's created a monster, as far as the way service employees are treated by many customers.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Sigh. There's no cure for idiocy, it seems.

    One of the most cost-effective things you can do in a business is fire a bad customer. More should do so. Yet, firing customers leaves you open for all kinds of discrimination claims.

    I haven't seen the "He's a jackhole beyond all standing." defense yet in a discrimination proceeding. I wonder what would happen.

  • dahlia6

    I called a customer out for calling me a fat, stupid cow, and my manager (Books a Million) told me, in front of the customer, that I was to stand there and take whatever she said because she was the customer and that's what I signed on for. To which I replied, "Fuck you." and made my way to the unemployment line.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Oh for Godtpus' sake. There's no excuse for what manger-droid did there, or the customer.

    I have a few similar stories. Doesn't make it right.

  • BierceAmbrose

    The other topic - "crappy" jobs.

    There is nothing "crappy" about a job where you give an honest effort for honest pay, serve some people, and support yourself thereby. Supporting yourself without theft, fraud or coercion is marvelous. Supporting yourself this way, through trade you have given to others more than you need to get by. Crappy? This is a wonder.

    Sometimes, including lately, I've been poor. Sometimes, I've worked day labor (really), and I've worked food service, delighting in the meals that come with the shift. Sometimes I've been flush. Always, I manage to get by by trading to others stuff they find worth more than what they give me in return. They do the same. I've never wanted for the basics of life because they simply weren't there to be had - though this happens.

    "Crappy" stands in for jobs people want done, vs. jobs you might want to do. Nobody said your Eskimo poetry was worth *to them* what it takes for you to survive, or prosper, or feed your NetFlix addiction, no matter how much you may want to write it. BUT, being able to work a job doing something else, yes even at Chick-fil-A, that lets you wear clean woven clothes, get your teeth checked and even have digital watches and the occasional sammich has dignity, and value, and ain't a bad deal. If that job lets you raise a family (with whatever partner you prefer) it's a treasure.

  • Aratweth


    I think I have to take issue with the "honest work, honest pay" side of your rebuttal (well written, though!). I can assure you that there IS such a thing as a crappy job; I've worked at least 6 of them. The first was illegally sewing curtains in a sweatshop with no A/C,a plywood floor, and bars on the windows at 14 years old. Got paid with a sad little bundle of cash at the end of the night with a staple through the middle. No honest pay there; worked for about 4.50$ per hour. Needed more money to help put myself through school, so got a wildly dangerous job hustling window installations in the projects for $8.50 an hour as a 16 year old girl. The windows were shit, but I didn't care because I was so desperate to earn my keep. Had to quit after I had a gun pulled on me for the second time. No honest work, there. Worked my way through college busing tables for people I loathed in high school, drafting for a hack lawyer who mowed through $200 dollar quickie divorces, vetted five billion GPS coordinates for a RV guidebook, and ran 11 hour shifts on my feet as a baker.

    These got me out of school without debt. They also got me out without dignity. Today, I work a great job in Social Media with a company where I have my very own desk. Did any of my previous "noble" shitty work experiences help get me here? Not even remotely. Crappy jobs are just that; a necessity that almost all of us of experience while trying desperately to escape them. Very few of us find fulfillment in the fact that we're earning enough for a bi-annual socks purchase. Let's not try to gild a turd of a job by congratulating ourselves that we're doing it, because we all know that deep down, if we had the choice; we'd be elsewhere.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Hi A. Thank you for your story.

    You are talking about market failures, because the scarce thing is always talent. I don't know how we fix that, exactly. I do know people with something to offer do better the more they can shop their offer around.


    I know stories like yours happen. I worked at my parents' business starting when I was 8, pulling my own weight perhaps that soon, but certainly by 10. We ate pretty well, but dressed more than half in cast offs left by the guests. I got an annual pair of sneakers & when I melted the soles of one pair the week I got them, that's what I wore for a year. Through most of high school I averaged 40 hours / week, typically 24 of it between school Friday and mid-afternoon Sunday. Sometimes I got paid.

    This isn't intended as misery poker, rather to show that I get it, some. When you're trapped you can't get to a place where you can offer all your value for value. (Where would Dustin be without the Interwebs to spread his snark? I suspect a hand-mimeographed paper rag wouldn't reach far enough to support the Paji-babies.) FWIW, I thought long and hard at age 14 about departing my family situation. Supporting myself on my own seemed hypothetically easier, yes even at minimum wage. I could do it if they'd let me work, but how to get hired, being a minor and all not much of a reference for my (broad) experience form the parents I'd be leaving. I was well and truly stuck.

    Your story and mine strike me as market failures. Your story shows flexibility, perseverance, several skills like the HR-droids track, and no small amount of brains and situational awareness. I'd hire you in nothing flat, and train you up in the particular skills for a gig, if you wanted. They make this kind of hiring hard. Still, I'm batting 100% at hiring people "not qualified." One's a tech director at a bank, on his way to VP.

    Why doesn't that happen more? Why were you stuck for so long? Why was I?

    At an unemployed people training thing last year an unusual girl in her early 20's or so plead "How do I get hired?" then told her story. She started working in Jr. high, balanced that with care taking at home, and had learned three different gigs. The slug-faced trainers had nothing useful to say. The problem is, of course, HR and "cover your backside" in screening & rating keeps people like her out. It's hard to have the perfect, pristine career path while you're taking care of life, too. Yet people who've been knocked around a little have a lot more resilience & perspective. (Ask me about Micro-Ama-Goog-Book hiring sometime. The last of the "organization drones", really.)

    I spoke up out of turn because I'm incorrigible & she deserved better than she was getting. Told her I'd hire her in a heartbeat if I had a team, which I did not just then. Told her to get *around* HR because she has a *great* story for people trying to get stuff done. Gave her my card, though I never heard back.

    These three seem stories of stuck-ness to me - jobs that stay crappy because talent is kept from access to better work.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    There was an article in the New Yorker recently about warehouse workers in the US. They worked themselves ragged, with unfulfillable quotas, meager pay, and a high risk of injury. Why do they keep doing that job? Because it's the only one available.

    And now you tell me again that that is not a crappy job.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Jon Stewart firing in all directions on this one (there's plenty of jackholery to go round.) I think he has them surrounded:

    Aaaaand, private companies *can't* fire you for some things - sexual orientation for one - as a matter of law. They can fire you for belligerantly dispensing splash damage to an innocent bystander, then filming it, then posting it on YouTube.

  • Jezzer

    Sexual orientation is not a federally protected status from employer discrimination. Any anti-discrimination laws for sexual orientation exist at the state or local level, if they exist at all.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Well, sexual orientation is protected every place I've ever worked, hence my conflating federal with state & etc.

  • AngelenoEwok

    Perfectly legal to fire an employee based on their sexual orientation in 27 states. Perfectly legal to fire someone for gender identity/presentation in 35 states.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Well, I guess I have a bone to pick with a few dozen HR briefings, then.

  • AngelenoEwok

    Some companies in states with no protections under the law do have nondiscrimination policies that include orientation and gender identity. I wasn't lucky enough to work anywhere with a policy like that in my home state. I feel fortunate to not have to worry about it now that I've moved to a state with nondiscrimination laws that include orientation and gender identity (not just in employment, but in housing as well).

  • Jezzer

    And some employers have their own anti-discrimination rules in their code of conduct. I worked at a dentist's office that listed sexual orientation in their anti-harassment and anti-discrimination guidelines in a city and state that didn't offer the same protection.

  • annie

    I read an article the other day about these minimum wage gay employees of Chick-Fil-A who are getting crap from both sides. The conservatives who think that showing up congratulating them for being god-fearing Christians and from the left who hurl abuse at them for being crazy homophobes. It's so much more complex than these people are making it out to be.

  • BarbadoSlim

    More pics of hot lesbos kissing please.


  • To be perfectly honest it wasn't very likely that I'd ever patronize this fast food chain to begin with seeing as there are no locations in Wisconsin and if I'm in Chicago I'm sure as shit not getting a fast food chicken sandwich. But their bullshit on this issue cements the fact that I'll never go here for any reason.

  • Brown

    Maybe I need to eat there again, but the one time I did go there I found it to be the most overrated food item I have ever had. The chicken sandwich was average in every sense of the word. The one I got had chicken, the bun, a pickle, and that's it. I didn't even realize their fries were suppose to be all that good until somebody told me later.

  • Slash

    Yeah, the people who work at Chick-fil-A certainly have no control over what their homophobic CEO says or does. So ragging on them doesn't help.

    What does help (a little)? Voting. Voting in state and local elections, for politicians who DON'T have gay hating as part of their agenda. If you're not willing to do that, you don't really give a shit about changing anything. Putting shit on Facebook and Twitter and making videos to post on YouTube doesn't help. It just makes you look like a lame-ass poseur. While all the gay-hating grammas and grampas and NASCAR dads and soccer moms make sure they go to the polls to vote for the Councilman/Governor/Senator who says the gays make Jesus cry.

    Just voting for Obama isn't enough. The guy can't do everything himself. The many Republicans who've been voted into office over the past 4 years are doing all they can to make sure of that. They don't give a fuck about destroying the country or depriving people of their rights. That's pretty clear now.

  • TheOriginalMRod

    this has absolutely nothing to do with this topic, but it made me laugh so hard coffee almost shot out of my nose. It is Urban Outfitters sale ad that was in my email this morning... I hope you can see it because it is just wrong and also completely hilarious.

  • Nikita

    Oh, it's definitely on topic, those are God-Fearing Woman hands that have Ice cream spunk running down their clenched fists. They are stroking up and down to support Traditional Values.

  • BAM

    After all of this mess, I am now anti-gay marriage and anti-CFA. So sick of all the whining and divisiveness. If you can't learn to share, then no one gets to play.

  • TheAggroCraig

    Only in America will people even get the idea to express their political views through fast food.

  • Pants-are-a-must

    CFA is one company. The whole "Christian uprising for family values!!111" appreciation day/backwards social rallying was all done through communication channels that are all pro-gay, that all make a helluva lot more money in one day than CFA ever will.

    So let that ridiculous CEO push his shitty, homophobic agenda forward, because not only he loses in the long-run, but CFA also employs LGBT workers.

    But that doesn't mean I don't wanna go Lafayette-in-the-AIDS-burger-scene on their asses all the same.

  • ,

    I am sooo over this argument already. It's, like, a week old. Can we move on to more important things, like debating badminton ethics?

  • Jezzer

    It's easy to dismiss something as unimportant when it doesn't affect you at all, isn't it?

  • ,

    Missing a sarcasm gene, are we? Hope they find a cure someday.

  • Jezzer

    When you take the time to make nearly the exact same "joke" twice in the same article, it kind of blurs the line between "sarcasm" and "actual opinion presented as sarcasm."

    That wasn't sarcasm on my part, for the record.

  • ,

    It's a loooong thread. Some people might not have seen the other one. Being indignant affects your eyesight.

  • BarbadoSlim

    Apparently the Disqus system is missing one too. I wrote a scathing condemnation of you Mr. Comma and it got totally censored. Anyway, you are a terrible person and I condemn you, sir. ;-)

  • ,

    Good to have you back, Slim.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Or which field hockey team is the hottest. (You said "important.")

  • Fredo

    I could mention how the "traditional view of marriage" that Mr. Cathy and his ilk hang onto isn't the way marriage was seen by history or by the Bible. I could say that their position is entirely against the rights granted to every American under the Constitution. I could even scream that it's a very un-Christian stance that they take.

    But why waste my breath on them? I choose to waste it on the next generation. They're the ones who can still improve our world. Let the bigots and the backward-thinkers fall off the Earth.

    Oh and that guy in the video? Total douchebag.

  • tamatha_uhmelmahaye

    For once, I'm glad I can't watch videos at work. I have a hard time watching people be mean to other people. That poor woman! Thanks for calling out the idiots (or assholes, as the case may be) on our side, too.

  • NateMan

    Absolutely. Point your anger and frustration at those who deserve it. And that's rarely the people at the front window.

  • Maguita NYC


    "and this meme will likely be a reality in closer to ten years than 40."

    People should know that the First Baptist Church of Crystal Springs refused last month to marry an African-American couple, a heterosexual African-American couple, because of the color of their skin.

    Hatred begets hatred. And allowing hatred to grow, find a voice, to fester into feeble minds, while standing on the sidelines hoping that goodness will triumph, is unfortunately as equally contemptible as participating in said hatred.

    It's not a call to arms in any way, but an admission that being civilized and hoping that the best in people will shine through had proven dissipative in the past 18 months. In fact, we can honestly say that Obama's patience, and DECENCY, when faced with such abject hatred, dishonesty, and bigotry, had lead to the likes of Dan Cathy to think it a positive MARKETING genius to publicly reject appropriateness, and promote his company as freely homophobic, and disturbingly backwards.

    No, that lady did not deserve to be berated. No, some poor sap does not deserve to clean condoms off a park bench. BUT, decency and standing silently and stoically on the sidelines does not work either. We have proof. It actually promotes a sense of acceptance of the obscenity going on. If you are for equality, you need bigger gestures.

    If you are for equality, you need to move your f-cking fat ass today, and DO something that will make other bigots uncomfortable to being in your vicinity, or even out in the open.

    Think of your father who wanted to hide, and remember how for most of the beginning of the 21st century bigots used to be afraid to voice their hatred, and used to hide. Silent respect for people's rights begets silent acceptance for bigots fights.

    DO something.

  • Miss Kate

    Well said, sir.

  • ,

    Well, we sure healed from that whole massacre-in-a-movie-theater thing in a hurry, didn't we? Now we're back to the REAL important issues, such as who can hold hands with whom.

  • NateMan

    The existence of one bad thing does not preclude noticing the existence of other bad things. And I would bet that someone who's been told they can't marry the person they love, or visit them on their deathbed, would object to your characterization of the issue as 'who can hold hands'. Personally, I find being able to hold my wife's hand to be incredibly important. And, Gods forbid, if she is dying before me, you can bet your ass I'll walk through walls if necessary to be there to hold her hand.

  • ,

    I see my sarcasm may have been misinterpreted. So for the record:

    I couldn't possibly care less who holds hands with whom. It's none of my damn business, and I would like to think that should be the conservative viewpoint: You mind your business and I'll mind mine, and if we don't like each other we'll just leave each other the hell alone, it's a free country, blah blah blah. That it continues to be a conservative issue at all is disturbing to me, when there are so many other issues and problems that ought to be attracting our focus, like kicking Obama the hell out of the White House (stated as an economic conservative).

    Clearly, constitutionally speaking, gay people should have the SAME RIGHTS -- equal protection under the law -- as everyone else. (This does NOT mean we should force churches to marry people against their principles; they have rights, too.)

    This is what I mean when I trivialize "who holds hands with whom." It SHOULD be a trivial issue. It shouldn't matter to anyone. In a perfect world, we would see it as an equal rights issue, and do right by our own fucking laws, and we would solve it, and we would move on, and the people who lose on the issue would agree to abide by the LAW no matter their personal beliefs, and we could GET THE FUCK OFF IT, already.

    Hope that clears that up.

  • monkeysparkets

    Yes! Thank you!

  • BierceAmbrose

    Bang on, in every particular.

  • NateMan

    You're right, I didn't get your sarcasm, and I apologize for misreading what you said.

  • ,

    It's cool.

  • ,

    My issue with Chick-fil-A is that they put pickle on a chicken sammich. Who puts pickle on a chicken sammich? That's just ... so very wrong.

    So to reiterate: My problem with Chick-fil-A is that they put a pickle where a pickle doesn't belong.

    And now that I think about it, that's Mr. Cathy's problem with the gays, too.

  • Mrs. Beasley

    Thank you! Finally, someone said what really needed to be said. When I
    get a sandwich from there, and I forget to tell them no pickle, then
    it's ruined. Even if you remove said pickle, the juice is left behind
    and's just..I can't even say. Nobody should ever have pickle
    juice on delicious chicken. Mr. Cathy, I understand why you have such
    idiotic and hateful views. Only someone as wrong as you would make such a disgusting choice.

  • $27019454

    Don't forget the lesbians! They have the right to be completely disinterested in the pickle, too!

  • ,

    Absolutely, and I didn't mean to slight you lovely ladies. I just kind of wonder if Mr. Cathy's issue isn't with all gay folks so much as it is with guy-guy. As you probably know, a lot of straight men who wouldn't be caught dead looking at guy-guy porn (because: ew, hairy) love them some lesbian porn. I know I do. I could watch it all day (though I only need about 12 minutes, if you get my drift). Never hurts to see if you can pick up some pointers from the setters* about pleasing a woman.

    It would be interesting to see what Mr. Cathy has on his laptop*, so to speak, is what I'm saying.

    (Geez, you can't write ANYthing about this without it being a bad pun.)

  • Maguita NYC

    Hmm, FYI, most men in straight pornos are in fact, hairy, and all the beautifully sculpted and hairless men are in gay pornos.

    Thought you'd like to know on what you're missing ;)

  • Xtacle Steve

    I can't even bring myself to watch that video. The look on that woman's face is terrible. Even if she's completely against gay marriage, you don't make your point by bullying someone, especially in a situation like that where she's pretty much helpless. What a piece of shit.

  • Snath

    Excellent piece, and you're completely right. ALL bullying is wrong. It's not the way to make your point, and it only fluffs the bully's ego long enough for them to maybe avoid crying themselves to sleep that particular evening.

  • andrew

    Well said Dustin. Although apparently plenty people here in California still think it's a big deal. The mouth breathers that (apparently) make up the majority of the populace in my beloved state intentionally voted bigotry directly into our goddamn constitution with Prop 8. That was great. Idiots.
    Also, WTF people. It's fast food. I haven't eaten at a chik-Fil-A since I was about 10 years old. You know why? Not becuase of their politics. Because it's shitty awful mall food. Everytime someone on the internet talks about how delicious their sandwiches are, I'm reminded of those people who champion the McRib, which is also shitty.
    I don't understand it. There's real food out there! Everywhere! And it tastes really good! Honestly, you don't have to eat corn, plastic, and petroleum byproducts. I promise.
    In conclusion: What Dustin said. Don't eat at Chik-Fil-A, it's disgusting. While you're at it, you'll be supporting civil rights. Its a win-win.

  • Xtacle Steve

    What? McRibs are delicious. You can hardly even taste the gym mats.

  • ,

    Now THERE'S a fast-food place I boycott, for reasons that make some sense (their food just tastes bland, and there are dozens of other options) and for reasons that maybe don't (I HATE the "I'm lovin' it" campaign for no rational reason, and I also object to how they stole rap and hip-hop and turned them into jingles to sell fat-loaded food to already obese people, just for starters).

    Besides, my sister works for Wendy's.

  • Xtacle Steve

    I'm confused by that picture. Are those people camping out in front of a Chick-Fil-A in support or against the company? Or was this just for a new sandwich featuring a piece of fried chicken and bacon in between two other pieces of fried chicken, dunked in mayo and then re-fried?

  • Lipton

    That poor, poor woman. Stop being on my side, Adam Smith. It's not that woman's fault that needs to have a shitty job at a shitty corporation just to pay the bills. It's assholes like you that make service industry jobs so damn awful (well, that and low pay and hard work and terrible hours, but the assholes make it significantly worse).

    I currently work (not directly) for the Michigan Attorney General. I do not like the man, I actively oppose his politics and a pretty significant number of his actions, but you know what? I really like eating every day and this job gives me the money with which I can buy that oh so important food. So shut up, Adam Smith, you putrescent waste of space.

    In closing: OMG, how did I not know that Matt Bomer had such an incredibly adorable family?! Ugh, so in love.

  • BierceAmbrose

    That poor, poor woman. Stop being on my side, Adam Smith.

    Don't you just hate that?

  • The issue here isn't gay marriage, which for the record I favor. The issue is whether we will allow thuggish politicians to dictate who can and cannot do business in their jurisdictions based on the political views of the owners of the business. It's a pure free speech issue.

  • Maguita NYC

    Actually @facebook-100001624530405:disqus , the ISSUE here is fulfilling your obligations as a mayoral candidate in preserving the rights to ALL CITIZENS OF YOUR DISTRICT.

    You do not have the right to open a business that would infringe on citizen's health, rights to live their lives, rights to Freedom. And whether we come to accept it shortly or not, Chick-Fil-A is openly greatly contributing to homophobia. What is next? Burning a cross in front of their shops, and having their employees dress in KKK cloths?

    People had conveniently forgotten during this debate of "to chicken or not to chicken", that a business that infringes so obliquely on American rights is unacceptable. Most companies hold on to a CODE OF CONDUCT that puts all their employees, from top to bottom, under the obligation to abide by such rules and regulations. And the number one rule that a Business Code of Conduct and Internal Ethics clearly highlights, is that NO BIGOTRY will be tolerated on the premises. Which Cathy had clearly breached. That little prick had done his company a clear economic hindrance, and had so obtusely bashed a good percentage of their clientele.

    In any North American business, Dan Cathy would have been sent off to retirement, and the company would have already issued apologies.

  • TheDeadBurger

    Oh my god. This is terrible. I can't believe there are people who believe this. It's fascistic.

  • Chik-fil-A has gay employees, gay customers and probably gay suppliers as well. They don't infringe on anyone's rights. If you dislike the political views of the owners you are free to take your business elsewhere. But when politicians try to use their power to punish businesses because of the political views of the owners than we stray into dangerous territory.

  • Maguita NYC

    You are highlighting my point Ken: Chik-Fil-A DOES have gay employees, suppliers and customers. That is why most corporations have a Business Code of Conduct and Ethics applied to all transactions between employees, customers, and suppliers.

    Tolerating COO Dan Cathy's public homophobia has breached and horribly infringed on all business transactions for Chik-Fil-A. Internally and externally. This acceptance now means that if your COO hates people of color, or women, or any ethnic group for that matter, is now allowed to publicly state his opinion UNDER HIS COMPANY'S BANNER: Toys'R'Us hates the blacks, McDonald's hates the jews, Apple thinks all women are sluts.

    And why would any mayor of any city/town tolerate that a corporation is openly promoting prejudice against a portion of population under his/her responsibility and protection?

  • TheDeadBurger

    They're his fucking beliefs! And he doesn't hate gay people, he's one of many, many, many Christians who loves all people but doesn't support gay marriage! Calling it hate is fallacious, it's a straw man. And you can not SERIOUSLY be saying that someone should be unable to run a business because their beliefs are different than yours. That is horrifying. I don't care if Cathy's a neo-Nazi, America doesn't work like that, a politician can not try to prevent a business from operating because he personally disagrees with the beliefs of the owner. Fuck. Reading these comments is scary.

  • Maguita NYC

    @TheDeadBurger:disqus , I think you've misunderstood my comment, either on purpose or not, or maybe because you are missing some key points to this debacle and have not heard what Dan Cathy had previously stated. Very publicly.

    What my previous statement means, and you can review the different reports that verify this, that Dan Cathy had made his many comments not as some Joe Blow who happens to work for CFA, but as Chik-Fil-A's COO.

    Very big difference.

    In addition to it's undeniable support of Cathy's comments on gay marriage, namely on Twitter before the convenient deleting, the company has not chosen to distance itself from the many manic right-wing political figures (Huckabee and Buchmann, among others) rallying INSIDE CFA restaurants, after Cathy's diatribes, with clear messages perpetrating not only their opposition to gay marriage, but hatred, homophobia, and bigotry.

    So yes, it is quite clear that Chik-Fil-A is more than alright with Dan Cathy's homophobic comments. And to further show their support to their COO's comments, CFA had made contributions to anti-gay causes. Meaning not just against Gay marriage, but also against gay-driven equal rights in general.

    As a "loving Christian", D. Cathy sent none other than the oh-so-Christian-and-respectful-of-women Herman Cain to first deliver his message to Fox News, before confirming himself that indeed, "guilty as charged" (his own words), Chik-Fil-A has contributed to anti-gay causes because Chik-Fil-A believes that only the biblical definition of a family should be allowed to thrive.

    And his biblical definition of family? Apparently it is all those who are still married to their first wives. Not shitting you.
    Hope you're not a child of a second marriage there @TheDeadBurger, or the Lord of Biblical Definitions forbid, one born out of wedlock.

    Also, always publicly, he had quoted Scriptures on June 21st, i.e. not from the Christian-New-Testament part of the Bible, but from the Old Testament, about the true meaning of marriage, family, and how one should lead one's life away from the gay. Why is that wrong? Well, quite appropriately, I would let one Rabbi Dr. Johathan Romain explain why:

    "When you do a pick and mix job, you are driven not by religious beliefs but by gay prejudice. If you take this
    approach to Scripture, you should also not object to stoning rebellious children or nailing your slave’s ear to the door post.” As if the poor employees at CFA haven't suffered enough.

    All this "Christian love" reminded me of what Anne Rice had stated not long ago:

    “For those who care, and I understand if you don’t: Today I quit being a Christian. I’m out. I remain committed to Christ as always but not to being ‘Christian’ or to being part of
    Christianity. It’s simply impossible for me to ‘belong’ to this quarrelsome, hostile, disputatious, and deservedly infamous group. For ten years, I’ve tried. I’ve failed. I’m an outsider. My conscience will allow nothing else.”

    “I quit being a Christian. I’m out. In the name of Christ, I refuse to be anti-gay. I refuse to be anti-feminist. I refuse to be anti-artificial birth control. I refuse to be anti-Democrat. I refuse to be anti-secular humanism. I refuse to be anti-science. I refuse to be anti-life. In the name of Christ, I quit Christianity and being Christian. Amen.”

  • Jezzer

    He donates millions of dollars to groups that:

    A.) Spread misinformation campaigns about gays and lesbians; attempt to equate homosexuality with pedophilia and bestiality in the public eye.

    B.) Lobby to prevent any attempt to give LGBT people civil rights or legal recognition, not just marriage rights, but domestic partnerships, adoption rights, and non-discrimination laws.

    C.) Crusade against any positive representation of LGBT people in the media.

    D.) Support "conversion" of gays into heterosexuals (a practice that has an extremely low success rate, unless your goal is to increase the number of gays suffering from major depression and suicidal ideation).

    Sounds like he hates gay people to me.

  • Jezzer

    And for the record, I do NOT support politicians blocking his ability to open restaurants and I do NOT agree with tactics like the CFO of Vante. But let's not pretend that Cathy's beliefs and actions are harmless.

  • CFA is specifically being targeted for remarks Cathy made. Prior to these remarks no pol said anything about the company. For a company to be targeted based on a COO's political remarks is very chilling, at least to me. Should a company run by a supporter of gay marriage be blocked from doing business in a conservative-run city?

  • TheDeadBurger

    Amen. So many of these comments border on being dystopian, it's frightening.

  • Anna von Beav


  • Cree83

    Then people should boycott Boston instead of giving Chick-Fil-A business?

  • BierceAmbrose


    The Wizard of Gotham (who never met an arbitrary, personal opinion that shouldn't have the force of law) was actually spot on and articulate about this.(*) Google is your friend.

    (*) So, fourth sign of the apocalypse. Seriously, when does this guy make sense? It's a sign from Godtopus.

  • Cree83

    I'm not saying that I, personally, don't agree with Menino. I'm saying it's dumb that the people who say this is a free speech issue are responding by spending money at Chick-Fil-A.

  • BierceAmbrose

    I thought I agreed with you. "Yes" signifies agreement in the language of my people.

    To elaborate, redundantly, I think they'd be better off making the point that "thuggish mandarins are icky even when they hold the right opinions" by boycotting Boston, Chicago and etc.

  • BierceAmbrose

    Hey, does this make calamari a sacrament? I just figured that out.

  • Cree83

    I think the bread turns INTO calamari. Through transubstantiation.

  • BierceAmbrose

    It all makes sense now.

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