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Choke on Them Apples: Matt Damon's 5 Best Unscripted Political Moments

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (71)



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Typically, I am of the same mind as most when it comes to actors discussing politics. It feels squicky, and more often than not, it it gives us a glimpse into their crazy (see, e.g., the Twitter feeds of John Cusack or Adam Baldwin for contrasting nut-jobbery) or the celebrities come off as preachy, whinging elitist (Tim Robbins, Sean Penn). But — and maybe it’s my own liberal bias speaking here — when it comes to Matt Damon (and Ben Affleck to an almost equal extent), when they talk politics, they sound not only smarter than the politicians, but more likable. These are guys that not only pass the “beer test” but the IQ test, as well.

Indeed, Matt Damon doesn’t make me cringe when he talks politics; he speaks from a place of understanding and intelligence, and he doesn’t sound like a blowhard, either. He’s the kind of guy that I’d like to see run for office one day because he knows the issues and can speak to them passionately and articulately. It helps, of course, that I agree with his politics. Right now, when there are practically no politicians in Washington who are well liked or for whom we can passionately root, it’s nice to see someone like Damon speak some goddamn sense.

He doesn’t do it often on camera, but when he does, he makes an impact. Here are Matt Damon’s 5 Best Unscripted Political Moments. Put some W.G. Snuffy music in the background, and this man could easily be the next Senator of Massachusetts.

5. Matt Damon on the Underemployed and Homeless (Begins at 1:37)

4. Matt Damon Questions the Fairness of the Men and Women Forced Make Up the Armed Forces

3. Matt Damon Criticizes President Obama for Ignoring His Mandate

2. Matt Damon Rips the Choice of Sarah Palin, Calls it a “Bad Disney Movie”

1. Matt Damon Defends Teachers


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Comments

We need more people like him. Not more actors or more politicians or more lawyers like him, more people.

He illustrates very succinctly and clearly what the real problems are and what the real problem is. There are too many people, whether it's cynicism or just plain stupidity who can't wrap their brains around the complexities of every issue and fall back to dumb-ass cliches and propagandic lies to support their arguments, like that reporter and that cameraman.

They honestly do think that welfare is nothing more than an entitlement program so fat, inner-city losers can sit back and pump out kids and take their hard-earned money. Or lazy idiots who don't want to work. They can't or won't see that it is a safety net for those who have lost jobs or who have had catastrophic illness hit their families. They can't understand that the policies were put there because real events prompted them, not because some liberal asshole wanted to give away their money. Real people died waiting for healthcare or a job. Real people starved.

And these are the same people who copy-pasta that crap about how we give billions to other countries and let our people starve while opposing the very programs meant to help the hungry here.

They honestly think that teachers are lazy liberals who became teachers so they didn't have to work a real job and spend their time forcing condoms and evolution on their kids, while at the same time they gut teacher pay and cut funding for public schools while applauding the government for giving their money to faith-based private schools rather than fixing the public schools.

They really think that this country was created by Christians, for Christians and the motto engraved on the Statue of Liberty meant unwashed Christian masses. They really think that the "browning" of America is it's downfall.

They honestly think that immigrants come here because it's the greatest country in the world, not because they are escaping the shittiest. That they come her to drop anchor babies and suck up our healthcare. They really believe that Muslims who come here are dead set on creating Shariah law so they can stone their daughters for not wearing a veil.

It's funny, but Miami is the reddest city in some ways. Just follow their idiotic politics for a week. Listen to Marco Rubio speak for a half hour and you'll weep. The irony and hypocrisy down their is staggering. On the one hand, if you're a Cuban immigrant, you're granted immediate amnesty once your feet hit the beach, because of course, Cuba is communist and we're still in the middle of a cold war(?) But if you're a Haitian, the minute your feet hit the beach, you're taken to the Krome Avenue Detention Center which sits on the border of civilization and the Everglades. If you don't have a sponsor, that's where you stay for the rest of your life, basically. It's not a jail, but you can't leave. If your feet don't hit the beach, and your boat is intercepted at sea, you are immediately deported back to Haiti, in some cases, to face your death. I hear Haiti has gotten better, so maybe the death part isn't still an issue, but the staggering poverty is.

The distinction given by the government is that Cubans are political escapees while Haitians are economic escapees. As if politics and economy are separate things...

Sorry for the tangent. My mind went there because Cubans tend to be the only Latino group that is by and large, Republican. Because, you know, that bastard Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 5:29 PM

He cannot run for office, because he speaks openly about the disenfranchised, defends the importance of education, wants shared burden for military action, and is willing to change his mind about which politicians he supports based on what they have (or have not) done with the power granted them. Also, he makes a fuckton more money as an actor.

Posted by: Reba at August 3, 2011 5:42 PM

PLUS, how cute is it that he married a normal person and not some flighty egocentric starlet?!

Posted by: kidtiger at August 3, 2011 6:32 PM

Most politicians make a shit ton more money before getting to Washington (and a fuckton there, and even more after leaving office). I think he would probably be in the top quintile of congress in wealth, but there are over 30 mcs who have assets over 50mm.
I wonder if he will work hard to re-elect Obama, support an independent, or stay out of it. I mean, with those politics, can you go out on the stump for Obama?
I do love how visceral policy choice seems to be for Damon. Sometimes off, sometimes glib, but always very earnest when he starts talking actual policy. It warms my heart.

Posted by: hattie at August 3, 2011 6:35 PM

I heart you, Protoguy. That was awesomely put, and lines up fairly nicely with how I think this country and its issues are perceived by some.

Posted by: Stella at August 3, 2011 6:40 PM

I'd like to respond to what Matt Damon said (I generally disagree with his politics, but I do find him to be one of the more thoughtful, less hysterical Hollywood liberals), but I can't view those videos here at work in the heart of the military-industrial complex. So I'll have to settle for responding to Protoguy:

I agree that too many people - almost all in this Age of the Soundbite - fall back to dumb-ass cliches and propagandic lies to support their arguments. However, you make it seem like it's only the Right who use this intellectually lazy tactic, and that is dishonest, and equally lazy. You started three paragraphs with "they honestly..." and another with "they really think..." Nice rhetorical tactic, but it's garbage, and you should know better.

I don't "honestly think" that welfare receipients are lazy idiots (though certainly many are), but I do think that the system as is provides many with an incentive not to work.

I don't think that all teachers are lazy liberals (although a large majority do identify as liberal, most are no lazier than your average American worker), but I do think that the power of the NEA makes it extremely difficult to institute stubstantial reform in our (failing) public schools.

This country was by and large established by Christians, and I believe this was (and possibly still is) the most moral nation on earth, but I am not a Christian, nor do i think infusing public policy with fundamentalist Christian morality is acceptable.


Both the Dems and GOP use small words and short sentences to appeal to the lowest common denominator. End Poverty! Kill the terrorists! Pay your fair share! Don't stifle the job creators! Open your mind; myopia, stereotyping, and demagoguery are not the sole province of the Great Right-Wing Conspiracy. Framing the problems of this country, and their solutions, as Left-or-Right serves only to ensure that no solutions will be forthcoming.

Posted by: Greedy at August 3, 2011 6:48 PM

I wish I was fucking Matt Damon.

Posted by: blackbird at August 3, 2011 6:58 PM

I love this guy!

Posted by: The Mutt at August 3, 2011 7:03 PM

And, because Dustin can't say it, Ben Damon is hella cute.

Posted by: Jerry at August 3, 2011 7:05 PM

My problem with ppl like Matt Damon is they can talk but are they willing to put their money where their mouth is?

It's easy to be an optimist from the sidelines. try doing that from the inside.

Posted by: haplo at August 3, 2011 7:08 PM

love him. lovelovelovelovelovelove him.

Posted by: tracey at August 3, 2011 7:27 PM

Matt has given copious amounts of time and money to his Water.org project, one that ensures that third world countries have clean drinking water. He also co-founded Not On Our Watch that helps publicize the atrocities in the Sudan. He works on Aids charities and several others. It's a wonder he spends any time at all acting.
His mom is a teacher and he went to Harvard but did not graduate. He is intelligent, talented and compassionate and has a great sense of humor. He may have supported charities that many of you find unimportant, but he is involved.
He married a normal woman and I have never seen pictures of his children anywhere, which means he respects their privacy and safety and doesn't use them to sell his next movie.
I guess I've followed his career more because he is from Massachusetts, my home planet, but I find him to be a wonderful human being

What have you done lately, halplo?

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 3, 2011 7:45 PM

Good post, good compilation of clips. I'm in Canada, and fall more in line with fiscal conservativism and social liberalism, but I can relate to and appreciate (on more a non-politics sense) to an intelligent person with a voice, a platform, and the ability to articulate. I don't see him running for office, but Damon is a role model, no doubt. None of his material was earth shattering by any means, but the man knows his own mind, he is not afraid to speak out, and he has likely done some reading. I also don't pick up an adgenda from his stuff, so give'er man. Great actor too. Hmm, I do think Jason Bourne would lean left after the whole shot, thrown in the water thing, though?

Posted by: cjack at August 3, 2011 7:53 PM


This country was by and large established by Christians, and I believe this was (and possibly still is) the most moral nation on earth, but I am not a Christian, nor do i think infusing public policy with fundamentalist Christian morality is acceptable.

It depends on what you mean by "established by." If you're just going on the demographics of the people who lived there when the country was created, then it was mostly Christian-identified. However, the people who did the creating of the country, writing the documents and procedures of government, were largely not religious.

As far as one nation or another being "most moral", I really don't understand what that means. How can a nation be moral or immoral as a unit? And even if that were possible, how would you compare the moralities of different countries?

Posted by: John. G. at August 3, 2011 7:53 PM

If it doesn't apply to you then it doesn't apply to you. I spoke in generalizations, but that doesn't mean it isn't true nor does it mean it doesn't apply to a great many people. People with whom I've personally argued with over these exact issues.

The people who landed in this country were largely Christians, yes. And I would also point out that they came here to escape religious persecution, not found a country based on it. My family is Cajun and have been kicked out of more than one place for their Catholicism and yet there are many Christians still today who don't consider them "real" Christians. Just as they were considered in the 1700's. That perspective I keep harping on keeps revealing itself it seems. It wasn't that long ago that Kennedy was considered unfit to be president because he was Roman Catholic.

This is not who I was referring to. I'm talking about our founding fathers (and mothers). It is common knowledge and yet still denied by those with a Christian agenda, that many were Deists and some were not religious at all. Yes some were Christian, but not all and the idea that this country was founded on Christianity is a lie, plain and simple. Wishful thinking made propaganda. This is why the separation of church and state included and seen as vital - everyone thinks there's is the true religion and any religion gaining a foothold in politics seeks to single themselves out as the only viable, true religion, just like saying this is a Christian country.

I find it amazing that the idea of the melting pot that used to be our strength and a thing of pride has been perverted into something altogether the opposite. The founders of this country didn't single out any religion as the prevailing one, nor did they list religions that were not to be allowed to be practiced, and yet here we are talking in code about denying the religious freedoms guaranteed in the constitution. Shameful.

Revisionist history has given way to revisionist present, when people like the Conservative Champion, Bill O'Reilly can claim with vigor and vehemence that the Norway mass murderer could not possibly be Christian despite, as Jon Stewart said, "the 1800 page manifesto dripping with crucifixes".

I find it sadly pathetic that Conservatives screams things like "No taxes!" "No Gay Marriage!" "No More Immigrants!" "No More Entitlements!" "No Abortion Rights!", basically amoral standpoints and stances that serve to negatively affect the lives of others more than themselves. While so-called Liberals are struggling to keep the rights we have in the face of Conservative onslaught. The right to be humans as it pertains to gays, or immigrants or the homeless or women. I refuse to keep sitting on my hands while conservatives scream about themselves being persecuted when it's clear that they are the ones perpetuating the culture of class and race and persecution.

So no, I don't agree at all that both sides are essentially the same or equally guilty, not at all. Yeah, greys. There are asshole liberals too, but the agendas themselves are what I'm talking about, not individuals.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 8:09 PM

And I'm confused Haplo, what part of what Damon is doing do you consider "sidelines"?

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 8:11 PM

I'm more confused by anyone who thinks teachers who bust their ass 9 months out of the year to teach in under-funded schools are the problem. You know, the teachers who don't get tenure if their students aren't taught how to answer every question on a standardized test that claims the only important subjects are math and English? Tests that determine whether or not schools get the funding they need to buy supplies that allow teachers to actually do their jobs.

If we fix funding for public schools and actually put an emphasis on education that isn't "teachers suck because they have job security for educating our children for the rest of their lives," there's a good chance that a lot of problems in our education system will disappear. It's not the teachers' faults that some schools get such limited funding that their history textbooks still claim the USSR is the greatest threat to national security.

Stripping the union to remove any job security at all just discourages people from even wanting to be teachers. No union rights means that a teacher could be paid minimum wage to teach your children in a few years. You think someone earning less than a fry cook at McDonald's will give a damn about whether little Jimmy graduates? They care about as much as the fry cook cares about the cockroaches in the kitchen and the spit he just shot onto your onion rings.

Posted by: Robert at August 3, 2011 9:02 PM

And I'm confused Haplo, what part of what Damon is doing do you consider "sidelines"?

it's not what he has said Protoguy, it's where he has said it from. I refuse to root for another inspiring actor who stops short of entering politics.

Of course the jury is still out on Damon but yeah, that's what i mean by sidelines.

Posted by: haplo at August 3, 2011 10:04 PM

Personally, I love the Clooney's political side. He's knowledgeable enough to discuss an issue without being an asshat about it.

Yes, Matt Damon is wonderfully fantastic though.

Posted by: Melody at August 3, 2011 10:22 PM

"I don't "honestly think" that welfare receipients are lazy idiots (though certainly many are), but I do think that the system as is provides many with an incentive not to work."

How many is too many? Let's say that 99% of the people receiving welfare "deserve" it, and 1% take the princely sum of $200 a month (average welfare payment for one person) and decide that they don't need to find work. Is that a good enough ratio for you? What if it's 95/5? 90/10? 75/25?

And the opposite angle -- in 2005, two million people received welfare. If all of these people received welfare for the entire year (which is almost certainly not true), that's a little less than 5 billion dollars. By the way, this is less than 0.05% of the 2005 federal budget, which was $2.9 trillion dollars, and IIRC the previous administration left the costs of Iraq and Afghanistan out of the budget, so who knows what the US actually spent that year.

Let's say that someone figures out through whatever means that 50 thousand people are "lazy idiots" who don't "deserve" their $200 a month, and proposes a reform that means around 75 thousand people aren't eligible for welfare anymore, including all 50 thousand who don't "deserve" it. Is it OK that those extra 25 thousand people you think "deserve" welfare get cut off and can't feed their children? What if the reform cuts off 100 thousand people you think "deserve" it?


The term "many" is more of a garbage term than "they honestly..." and "they really think...". It allows people to "honestly think" that their taxes are being "stolen" from them and given to "lazy idiots" who don't "deserve" it.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 3, 2011 10:26 PM

I miss the way Matt and Ben Affeck used to be. When they won the Oscar and they were so young and humbled by the experience, you know, so cute. Now they are just a couple of stuck-up, elite assholes who need someone in their lives who will tell them that they don't know everything. And picking a word out of the dictionary and saying it in an interview just makes them even bigger assholes. Take a good look people, they are the real reason they hate us in Europe.

Posted by: dl at August 3, 2011 11:24 PM

dl: I know, right? The audacity of those elitist assholes for not only using a dictionary, but for correctly using the term. You're so right! Someone who doesn't use a dictionary should definitely follow them around and tell them they don't know everything.

I do take issue with one of your points, however. Correct me if I'm wrong (but don't attempt to educate yourself first, because that's elitist), but I think they hate us in Europe because they think we're a bunch of dumb fucking yokels who are under the misguided belief that every motherfucker that uses a word they took the effort to look up in the goddamn dictionary is a stuck-up elitist asshole. But maybe I'm wrong. I'll make sure not to consult any reference materials next time because I'd hate for the Europeans to judge me harshly.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at August 3, 2011 11:47 PM

I'm still confused how that makes him "sideline". Maybe he feels like he's doing more good where he is, helping the poor or trying to get water to people who need it spreading the word that altruism is something to strive for rather than shit on or working to put more than one politician (himself) in office. We need 100 more like him helping real people a lot more than we need another 100 politicians working on a perpetual campaign.

DL - I'm still astounded that the idea that someone is trying to do good and use the good will (hah) that their position as respected or simply 'liked' actors to do so. Who gives a shit that he's an actor? What makes him elitist? That he's an actor? Because his politics are different than yours? Or that he wants to help people? That he's clearly more compassionate than you?

He's not running around saying he's better than you, he's putting his money and his face and his heart and he's actually doing the deeds rather than sitting on his ass and bitching - that's what makes him better than you. If that's elitist, then we need more elitist assholes, because all I hear from people like you is hate.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 12:12 AM

So Dustin's above comment made me grin from ear to ear. Good work on the scathing.

Posted by: Blank at August 4, 2011 12:15 AM

I'm still confused how that makes him "sideline"

I'm gonna give the sideline metaphor one last try here (also, not being a jerk here). Damon was rooting for Obama to become President. Obama became President and he "failed." Damon not happy bout it.

Not an Obama diehard here just in case if you are wondering but all i'm saying is no one, not you, not me, knows what Obama had faced and to sit on the sideline and shout Boo! at the one guy in the court who looks like he is genuinely trying to make a change is just not cool (you wud think fragging OBL wud mean something but nooo...).

That's my problem with Damon if he doesn't run for office in the future and your line,... "We need 100 more like him helping real people a lot more than we need another 100 politicians working on a perpetual campaign."

This is why corrupt politicians continue to corrupt the system. No one is there to stop them.

Posted by: haplo at August 4, 2011 1:34 AM

Ah, di, you make me sad. You are the kind of people that worship Reagan, while decrying actors getting involved in politics. That hate unions, while worshiping the guy who used to be the head of one. That worship "boot-strappy" peopl while hating on a middle class kid who made good.

You are everything that is wrong with America today.

Posted by: The Mutt at August 4, 2011 2:01 AM

"You are the kind of people that worship Reagan, while decrying actors getting involved in politics."

I scanned that over and over again, trying to determine if it was an intentional reference to Reagan being an actor, but alas, I saw no signs of design.

Nice unintentional comparison, though full of hyperbole.

Posted by: noah at August 4, 2011 2:33 AM

I guess I can't see it. I thought the idea was to "speak to power" not sit back and remain silent. Maybe his reaction was a little strong, but I don't see anything wrong with holding a politician's feet to the fire when they don't fulfill their campaign promises.

That being said, I do understand that some hardcore liberals are as intractable as hardcore conservatives. I just don't see him in that category.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 3:09 AM

I like Matt Damon as an actor. I think he probably tries to do helpful things as a private citizen. Standing up for public school teachers is laudable. But I also think he most likely pays accountants and attorneys thousands of dollars each year to minimize his annual tax liability on his average yearly earnings (which exceed $20M).

It seems many on here would agree with Matt that our federal taxes are too low. So here's a tip. Send your excess cash to:

Gifts to the United States
U.S. Department of the Treasury
Credit Accounting Branch
3700 East-West Highway, Room 622D
Hyattsville, MD 20782

And here's the best part. Your gift is tax deductible.

Posted by: James S at August 4, 2011 4:36 AM

@dl - Hi, I'm European, sitting over here in Europe surrounded by other Europeans, and no. Matt Damon is not the reason we "hate" America. We don't really hate you at all. We're just kind of baffled on several points, for instance these three:
- After WWII under the Marshall Plan, you helped us rebuild our economies with great determination and efficiency. We study this extensively in our public schools. So a few years ago we kind of expected you to do the same in Afghanistan. Still waiting on that.
- We're a Catholic country. Major saints days are national holidays, there is a crucifix in every public classroom and we have mandatory Catholic and Protestant religion classes until the age of 15 (everyone else gets a free period). And yet abortion has been legal since the 1960s and is never even mentioned in political campaigns. So there you are with your church-state separation with the issue constantly in the foreground.
- Considering you've had democracy far longer than we have, shouldn't you guys be way ahead of us in terms of education, healthcare, public transportation etc - you know, all those services the public actually needs? We've only had democracy since 1955 and we're kind of kicking your ass.

We like Matt Damon. We're just somewhat confused by your idea of democracy.
Then again, Bay films do really well overseas so what do I know.

Posted by: cinekat at August 4, 2011 5:05 AM

The reason our taxes are indeed too low is because they haven't been raised, at least not above-board, in at least 10 years.

It is true that there are a lot of places that the tax code needs to be cleaned up AND enforced better, but the fact is that our entire infrastructure is falling apart. You know, those things that rely on taxes to keep working? Like National Parks, bridges, highways, government buildings, roads in general, schools, courthouses, etc..

The idea that we can continue to not raise taxes, ever, as some think logical, again, ignores the complexities of the system and the problems inherent with keeping it running. The childish notion that we pay too much or shouldn't pay any at all illustrates just how shallow their understanding of the way government works is. The simpleton rhetoric pouring out of certain camps is scary in it's ignorance.

As for Damon and the idea of him employing an accountant? And? It's ok for everyone else who makes as much as he does to do so, but for some reason this would make him a hypocrite? The lack of logic replaced by disdain is sad but not uncommon.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 5:06 AM

Cinekat, despite what certain propagandist rhetoric would have people believe, Afghanistan and in particular, the Taliban and Bin Laden, didn't attack us and continue to wish us ill because "they hate freedom", it is precisely because we abandoned them after helping ravage their country during the Russian invasion. In fact, the fact that we left so quickly is exactly how the Taliban came to be. Anyone who studied even a little bit of the problem knows this. Certain leaders choose to keep that information quiet and certain citizens are comfortable in their ignorance. Hell, the man wrote scads of papers and manifestos on exactly why they hate us, but flag-wavers and bible-thumpers would still have us believe it's because they hate our freedom and want to supplant Christianity with Islam. The fallacious argument that there's a push to instill Shariah law here is part of that lie.

The separation of church and state is what so-called Constitutional Conservatives would like to ignore about our Constitution.

I know you guys are kicking our ass. The reason is because many want to roll back the gains we've made rather than build on them. Most of those services are derided as "Nanny State" policies and are criticized as government interfering in people's lives. This of course is all the while trying to block laws that try to open some of those doors and close doors that have already been opened, like abortion, gay rights, immigration - you know, interfering in people's lives.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 5:16 AM

DL - My understanding of why Europeans hate us is that we're chest-pounding, nationalistic dicks who think every other country is beneath us and backwards.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 5:19 AM

"You are the kind of people that worship Reagan, while decrying actors getting involved in politics."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, Reagan was an actor

it's like the pot calling the kettle black

it's like Conservatives who scream about "morality" but do drugs or serial womanize ( Limburgh and Gingrich et...)

it's like basing your belief system on individual rights but refusing to acknowledge that homosexuals have any

it's like praising the Constitution but ignoring the parts you don't like ( seperation of church and state)

it's like complaining about federal aid and "taking care of America first" but howling about paying the taxes to take care of America first

it's like condemning illegal immigrants but hiring them under the table at minimum wage to scrub your toilet

it's called hypocrisy

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 4, 2011 7:21 AM

But you did laugh at what I said about Clooney, I'm sure of that.

Posted by: Pookie at August 4, 2011 7:27 AM

Rowles I’m giving you some of my best material and you just delete it. Do you know how many entrepreneurs like yourself want me to come and write comments on their websites? And I’m talking big money here. I come to pajiba because I believe in the work being done here, I have suffered financially, but it has been my choice. I’m not looking for blanket immunity; I’m just looking for a little bit of understanding in what I bring to the table. I’m not some timid lurker, I’m a brand, I move the needle.

Posted by: Pookie at August 4, 2011 7:42 AM

Cinekat

I can pinpoint the exact time of the downfall of America..

The Reagan 80's when greed became good, big government was bad but big business was good, chain stores wiped out mom and pops, poverty became shameful instead of sad, the arms race and Wall Street helped by Uncle Ronnie became the ruling class and wiped out the middle class, social service was mocked and individulism was praised, borrowing and spending instead of taxing and spending became the norm which led to the late 80's recession, Aids was a dirty word instead of a disease, Deregulation and privatization replaced the government watching out for your wellbeing to businessmen destroying you wellbeing. The military became world police instead of world protectors.

I'm not saying Reagan did all this, he was too feeble minded. It was his kitchen cabinet of wealthy businessmen who set policy and controlled the puppet and the country. Wealthy California business men were his advisers and you can be damn sure that they were "advising" him on what was best for them. Where were the teachers, fireman, small business owners, nurses, truckdrivers, the backbone of the country, in his ear? Tax cuts for the rich to stimulate growth?
The national debt tripled in the Reagan years. This was the downfall of America.

I hated that guy.

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 4, 2011 7:52 AM

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at August 3, 2011 11:47 PM

That just made my morning.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at August 4, 2011 8:37 AM

I think the whole "Moral Majority" movement started it all (was there a poll? a census? was I really so outnumbered?). I just find it interesting that I keep having to explain to my friends here that the ones pushing this agenda in the States are not the Catholics but the Protestants. That just blows everyones minds here.
And btw I really wish we weren't kicking your ass because America is such a wonderful country, her citizens simply deserve better.

Posted by: cinekat at August 4, 2011 8:49 AM

There's not too much point in adding anything else, as it's been mostly covered, but I wanted to let (most) of you guys know that I love you.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at August 4, 2011 9:42 AM

Oh wait a minute. You guys have Matt Damon. Ok that's already more than you deserve. I want me one of him in lederhosen.

Posted by: cinekat at August 4, 2011 10:08 AM

Because, you know, that bastard Kennedy and the Bay of Pigs.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 5:29 PM
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Somehow you left out those bastards Clinton and Reno and Elian Gonzalez.

The rest of your rant is epic, even if I disagree with some of it.

Posted by: , at August 4, 2011 10:14 AM

Oh, I forgot to add: I wonder how many votes that little stunt cost Al Gore in Florida in the 2000 election. Didn't need to be more than a few hundred.

Posted by: , at August 4, 2011 10:15 AM

I stayed out of this yesterday because I had a work deadline and knew I would be sucked in completely if I even dipped a toe but now I must make two points:

1. Bravo haplo! Complete, well-formed sentences. I always knew you had something to say; I just couldn't read it previously.

2. Protoguy: I love you a million times over.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2011 10:27 AM

Not sayin' I'd necessarily go gay for Damon, but I want his politics inside me.

Posted by: firedmyass at August 4, 2011 10:43 AM

Bravo haplo! Complete, well-formed sentences. I always knew you had something to say; I just couldn't read it previously.

thanks. well, in my defense, this is a serious topic and i didn't want the cockney street urchin side of me to be a distraction.

Posted by: haplo at August 4, 2011 11:17 AM

"But I also think he most likely pays accountants and attorneys thousands of dollars each year to minimize his annual tax liability on his average yearly earnings (which exceed $20M)."

Frankly, we don't know that. I bet his taxes, despite his high earnings, are not all that difficult. He probably has an accountant deal with it because it's paperwork, etc., but I don't really see Mattie nickling-and-dimeing to save a few thousand dollars.

You want to see some crazy tax stuff? Check out how hedge funders and/or people with family money are compensated. If you're worried about fancy footwork, Hollywood probably isn't the place to look.

Posted by: samantha t at August 4, 2011 11:30 AM

"I just find it interesting that I keep having to explain to my friends here that the ones pushing this agenda in the States are not the Catholics but the Protestants."

Northeastern Democratic Catholic very much appreciating this distinction. Of course, I do have the crazy-ass Opus Dei-ers in my extended family....

Posted by: samantha t at August 4, 2011 11:32 AM

samantha t:

You can join my support group. I spent my early twenties surrounded by Opus Dei people. OD has a strategy of becoming very involved in universities and targeting students in faculties most likely to become influential people later. Of course they swarmed all over the Law Faculty because what's better to further your agenda than future judges.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 4, 2011 12:00 PM

Pookie is delightful. Seriously, he's the shit.

RE Damon and other celebrities: They're citizens. They have the right to talk politics like anybody else. Some of them sound like idiots, some of them sound intelligent. I believe Damon falls in the latter category.

But let's face it, compared to most people who discuss politics, you don't have to be very smart to sound smarter.

Most people in America don't know what the fuck they're talking about RE politics. They just repeat the shit they heard their favorite "pundit" say. Whichever one they've determined has got it all figured out (by whatever fucked-up method they use to determine that), that's the person they parrot, regurgitating every stupid thing they hear verbatim.

If you asked most "Tea Party" people to discuss government spending intelligently, they couldn't do it. If you asked most "liberals" to discuss taxes intelligently, they couldn't manage it. They can only manage soundbites, not actual thinking. Thinking is hard. Reading requires effort and time. Much easier to just pick someone who seems to agree with you and then repeat everything they say. Most people seem to think this constitutes debate.

Posted by: Slash at August 4, 2011 12:43 PM

"I'm a brand. I move the needle."

I am still laughing, Pookie cracks my shit up. It doesn't even matter if he really means it. It's still funny.

Posted by: Slashs at August 4, 2011 12:44 PM

Not YOU, though, right Slash?

Posted by: John G. at August 4, 2011 2:50 PM

I will leave the political talk to those who know enough about it to sound intelligent, but damn! Matt Damon does a great Matthew McConaughey!

I do appreciate however, that he is well spoken and seems to at least know what he believes in and is passionate about.

Posted by: Laura at August 4, 2011 3:15 PM

RE Not YOU, though, right Slash?

Posted by: John G. at August 4, 2011 2:50 PM


Go ahead and ask me something, if you think you can trip me up somehow.

Posted by: Slash at August 4, 2011 4:42 PM

, - The Cubans were firmly Republican well before then, but yeah, that whole thing, you know, enforcing a father's right to have the child who was kidnapped returned to him, that right there sealed it.

I guess truth and right and wrong are fluid when your politics come first.

I'm always confused as to how altruism, kindness and intelligence became a negative character trait. You know what they call people who make fun of someone who's smart? Dumb.

It's also sad that the sole argument some people contribute is purely to diss the other person rather than speak to the discussion at hand.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 7:37 PM

Here's a great example of someone posting baloney as fact and making a stand based on nothing but rhetoric and, yeah, hate.

"If you cross the N. Korean border illegally, you get 12 yrs. hard labor. If you cross the Afghanistan border illegally, you get shot. If you cross the U.S. border illegally you get a job, a driver's license, food stamps, a place to live, health care, housing & child benefits, education, & tax free business for 7 yrs. No wonder we are a country in debt. Re-post if you agree!"

My response was: "Sooo, you'd rather we were more like N Korea and Afghanistan??

I'm sure that's not the point at all, but they're too dim to see the correlation they're making with their idiotic statement. I'm not going to get into a political discussion on Facebook, but my followup response would be "Yeah, we're awesome like that. That whole caring about other human beings and making sure that, even though they came here illegally, they are still humans and deserve to, you know, not die. They deserve to bring their child to a hospital and get treated rather than hide in their homes and hope they don't, you know, die. They deserve dignity just like the rest of us.

Not even counting the fact that most of her statement is false. There are only three states in the country that provide driver's licenses without requiring proof of residency and one of them is seeking to repeal that law as we speak.

The "job" she mentioned isn't really there either, as proof of residency is required in most states, through E-Verify. The "job" she speaks of is really as a maid cleaning some rich person's toilet or picking tomatoes in a field.

A place to live? So the government gives them a house? Not quite. Again, through the laws in most states, an illegal immigrant is likely shacking up with relatives here or is in a barrio home. I'm sure she wouldn't exactly want to trade places and even then, how is that hurting anyone really?

The tax free business line is just a flat out lie perpetuated by conservative spam mail and soundly refuted by Factcheck and Snopes and every other site like them.

As for welfare, the amount of people on welfare in this country, legal and illegal, totals a whopping 1% of our total population, and again, it's set up because there was precedent to do so. People were ill and couldn't get care, children were hungry and couldn't get food. It's called kindness. It's called dignity. Those used to be what being an American meant. Not this Gangs of New York mentality where only the first immigrants have a right to be here.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 7:54 PM

And no, we don't give illegal immigrants any of those things out of hand. When they're found to be illegal, we still deport them. *waits for lame 'anchor baby' rhetoric*

Posted by: Protoguy at August 4, 2011 7:59 PM

Goddamn, I run so hot and cold on Pookie. One minute he has me RAEGing, the next I find him absofuckinglutely adorable. GODDAMNIT.

Also, Dustin's reply to DL is epic, and I WANT IT on a NEEDLEPOINT SAMPLER on my WALL.

Posted by: Craig at August 4, 2011 8:07 PM

In this entire discussion, I have yet to see anyone call out Matt Damon on his primary point: that teachers make a "shitty salary".

In his own home town of Boston, the average teacher salary is $80,000. That's average, people, and excludes benefits. The national average is lower, around $53,000 not including benefits, but let's face it, that still doesn't qualify as "shitty". My brother was a public school teacher (later principal and superintendent) and I think he would be pissed at anyone who described his teacher salary that way. He built homes and did remodels in the summertime and generally was pretty happy with his lot.

This whole discussion reeks of ill-informed group think. Damon no doubt has a good heart. Teachers are certainly under appreciated, though the idea that they are terribly underpaid just doesn't wash.

Posted by: James S at August 4, 2011 11:18 PM

Yeah, nice spun rhetoric.

First hit on Google:
http://michaelgraham.com/archives/matt-damon-gets-schooled/ - straight from a conservative wonk.

In fact, Google the phrase "the average teacher salary is $80,000" and you'll find that it's reused to make claims about nearly every city in the book. Clearly that isn't possible.

That $80,000 figure is an average that includes administrators and management, principles and guidance counselors.

Do some real research rather than parroting clearly biased tripe.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 5, 2011 2:08 AM

And picking a word out of the dictionary and saying it in an interview just makes them even bigger assholes. Take a good look people, they are the real reason they hate us in Europe.

No they aren't, dl.
I could tell you who is but I don't want to hurt your feelings.

Posted by: The Dude at August 5, 2011 6:54 AM

Damn Protoguy. You're like the potholer54 of this comment thread. (potholer54 being this guy -> http://www.youtube.com/user/potholer54#p/u/48/52KLGqDSAjo )

I guess you took exception to Dustin's whole, "He's an asshole, but he's a passionate asshole" line. Or maybe you took it to heart.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at August 5, 2011 7:26 AM

Meh, I just hate when people use statistics from spam emails for their arguments.

The awful thing is, all these points have nothing do with teacher salaries, it's all about busting unions, and the teachers union is the largest in the country. Which makes the arguments even more infuriating since these people are willing to destroy millions of lives for their political stance.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 5, 2011 9:08 AM

for the love of god or anyone else, could we freakin' stop comparing the US with Europe?
I'm so flippin' sick of it!!!!
The US has over 350 million people, right? And is geographically larger than all european countries....and more diverse in terms of religion, race, ethnicity and even economics....(though these demographics are changing in europe, to be sure)....
I mean, if I see one more UN or world bank funded comparison of the US vs. some northern european country's school system success, welfare safety net, etc....yes, i will scream.

I have lived in africa and asia for extended periods, studying international development-no, i don't know everything, but have first-hand experience with how some of the world views the US and europe. And for sure, they do not want the comparison, the constitution, etc. They want, and it only makes sense, their own constitution based on their own needs and logistics.
And by 'they', yes, I am slightly generalizing-but for economy's sake in a blog post, deal with it.
So, why do people feel the need to compare the US to Europe, as though Europe is remotely the same entity with the same history, needs and goals as the US?
To boot, there are SOME areas where Europe could be seen as more englightened; and there are some areas where the US is.
I'm not going to argue those points right now. But to the European who asked about afghanistan vs. europe's marshall plan-um, what?!?
Let's see, mountainous 3rd world country, vs. resource rich, developed europe? Which one would you invest in? And which one would you like to see remain destabilized to have long term influence in the region, vs. trading and building economic alliances with?
Exactly.
And, why would 'you' [as though all of europe feels this way, too] 'expect' the US to do what it did over 50 years ago?
When people say the world is a dynamic place, it means that quite literally, things do and have changed, as a result of the Marhsall plan, ironically. One cannot and should not be held to the same actions that were appropriate decades ago; as a person or a nation, things change.
Frankly, what works in Sweden or Norway will not necessarily work for the US; just as what works in the US will not necessarily work in Kenya.
I would think this would be quite obvious, but apparently not.
The delusion about Europe persists. It's policies and reality are not the world's panacea.

And on a final note, the guy who says it's the policy/agenda of the right that is the issue, not the sound bytes of BOTH the left and the right: You need to go back and read the post that you were trying to refute-you missed the boat entirely. The hilarious thing is, Hegelian dialect is alive and well....divide/conquer/provide solution for all=control. Good luck with that whole Freedom thing.

Posted by: lrm at August 5, 2011 9:41 AM

btw, I was not saying that I agree with the Afghanistan policy, just that I found it odd to compare post-war europe with Afghanistan...and even more odd to state that Europe is waiting for the

Posted by: lrm at August 5, 2011 9:45 AM

The US has about 310 million people in it, estimated in Dec. 2010.

Europe (collectively) has over 800 million people (830 million to 850 million).

So obviously, Europe and the US are not perfectly comparable, but it isn't wrong to suggest that what works in one country filled with affluent white people might work in another.

I'm also doubting the contention that the US is more diverse than all of Europe.

Posted by: Slash at August 5, 2011 11:39 AM

, - The Cubans were firmly Republican well before then, but yeah, that whole thing, you know, enforcing a father's right to have the child who was kidnapped returned to him, that right there sealed it.
---
Protoguy,

I don't know if you're still reading this far down, but I actually agreed that Elian belonged with his father.

I'm just saying the ham-handed way Reno went about returning him couldn't have made anyone in the Cuban community very happy, and if it swayed more than a handful who MIGHT have voted for Gore to vote for Bush, well ... so it goes.

Posted by: , at August 5, 2011 2:23 PM

No no, I understood that and totally agree. Reno was the epitome of ham-handed. I will say that in all my years in Miami living and working with Cubans. I knew a grand total of two who I would consider Democrats. They're still stuck in the Ronald Reagan Cold War mentality because of Castro and his failures and because of Kennedy and that one failure. His abandoning them the way he did is very similar to the way we abandoned Afghanis after the Russian invasion. The difference is that they view Democrats as too weak to deal with real issues, because of course, the only real issues are the ones that effect you directly.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 5, 2011 9:36 PM

Teachers make $80,000 ? Who fed you that line of crap? Administrators and principals make around 65k and I live in the northeast. Average teacher salary around here is 45k. Try supporting a family on that alone. My nephew is a bond trader and makes 150k.

What a fucked up world.

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 6, 2011 9:15 AM

Protoguy....♥

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 6, 2011 9:21 AM

Protoguy,

You'd know way better than I would. I just always figured that if there were just 400 or so Cubans in all of south Florida who switched sides, it might have swung the vote, or at least shifted the high ground.

BTW, as long as I'm at it, the focus on Florida always amused me from a civics standpoint, but Gore really lost because he lost Tennessee (supposedly his home state), Arkansas (Clinton's home state) and West Virginia (my home state), which has a 2:1 Democrat-to-GOP registration ratio, plus Gore had the endorsement of, of all people, the UMW (because of course Mr. Inconvenient Truth and the fossil fuel extraction industry make perfectly sensible bedfellows).

If he'd won any one of the three, he'd have been president, no matter what happened in Florida. But nobody talks much about that.

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