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You forgot the one about shirtless female celebrities.

Dustin, for "How often do you comment on the site" you forgot to add the option of "Way too fucking often, get back to work JULIE."

Was the RDJ poll really necessary?

I've never heard any of the musical groups. Darling Hubby is still stuck in 1957, only our record player broke.

I actually prefer my movie genres mixed. I like sci/fi if it's a comedy.

Agreed, MGK, where's the hip-hop/rap? No jazz? I feel like I did when I found out exactly how white my barber was (she whispers the word black when talking about the new barber they hired, even though it was just me and her in the shop). I give her a pass cause she's a fairly older white lady from the midwest, but you should know better, Pajiba!

I’m often too aggressively feminist.

Oh, you pander bear. Ladies, I far too often give extended multiple orgasms leaving you a changed woman who gets all mystical and understands the meaning of life and the universe and shit.

Is Rush too passe nowadays?

Bite your tongue. It's Stanley Cup time and Rush is a God ... in a trio-y sort of way.

Hm. Only the first 5 polls came up for me. And I know how desperate you all are to hear my opinions, so...

in a trio-y sort of way

Wait isn't God God a god in a trio-y sort of way? I mean, unless you're into Vishnu or some shit.

where's the hip-hop/rap? No jazz?

I also noticed there was no Loverboy option.

Listen, Rowles, this site is great because it's stuck up it's own ass sometimes. It reminds me that even non-anthropomorphic clusters of opinions have their awkward middle school years (or "junior high phase" for folks who identify their age by referencing it as such).

I answered the questions as best I could while still maintaining my apathetic stance. But love it, hate it, meh, or n/a? That's kind of obnoxious. Some of us just like it, which is much different from "meh." Meh is used for things like... the type of guy I won't be going on a second date with. And if there is anything I learned about my communications research course it's that you have to provide options that can read a wide range of opinions [hence your "strongly (dis)likes" and "somewhat (dis)likes"]. Sometimes I feel most left out of Pajiba Popular Opinion (tm) when I don't LO(insert orgasm here)VE some particular thing, I merely enjoy it for what it is but don't get all giddy over it's mere existence. Take a set of abs belonging Sir R.R. And Nathan Fillion I'm totally ambivalent about.

Whatever, in the words of Carl: It doesn't matter, none of this matters.

Sometimes I feel most left out of Pajiba Popular Opinion (tm) when I don't LO(insert orgasm here)VE some particular thing

As noted above, I can help you with that.

I wish there had been a bit more nuance in the polls. I went with "Meh" a lot because while I liked some of the stuff in question, I don't love any of it. I wish there was an option for, "It's okay, but his/her/its fans are fucking insufferable and should die of amoebic dysentery."

Also, while I admit I have the musical tastes of an unusually hip 85-year-old man, those options were weak.

I like how, even when answering anonymously, Twilight gets a "What the Fuck Are You Serious" answer

Where was the "browncoat" option for Firefly?

... I hang out here way too goddamn much.

Hey here's a question:

Does anybody watch Adult Swim anymore? I watched it in college when they had Aqua Teen, Sealab, Harvey Birdman and Home Movies on all the time. I caught some of their lineup the other night and I had a fucking seizure. The best fucking thing was goddamn Family Guy. Double U TEE Eff?

Oh, you pander bear.

That's just funny in itself. No offense.

I didn't know so many other silent people don't watch Lost or Veronica Mars. I'm King of the Dipshits!

Is it comforting or alarming to find yourself with the majority on most topics?

yes, thank you bucko! I second that

annoyingmouse I still watch Venture Bros., Lucy, Daughter of the Devil and Robot Chicken, but for the most part the current line up is less funny than just weird.

Love Firefly.

Love the original Askewniverse flicks.

Voted for Arcade Fire in the music category, but it really wasn't that great of an option for me. Ben Folds maybe?

And for Lost, I think there should be another option: "Loved the first season. Stopped watching when Jack's whining got to be too much & I got bored with Sawyer switching between good and evil from week to week."

I far too often give extended multiple orgasms leaving you a changed woman who gets all mystical and understands the meaning of life and the universe and shit

...and I guess we're supposed to just take your word for this, Ted?

I had to leave the 'music' poll blank as well. That could have more to do with the fact that my taste in music got me called pretentious. And here I thought it more likely said I live under a rock...

I'm with the other folks who went with 'meh' even though 'liked' would have been more appropriate.

I thinK Seth and I would be very good friends. Or kill each other. I love objectifying male celebrities. Ted, English Patient is awesome. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

I LOVE SURVEYS.

Whoa. I'm in the 1% who hated Firefly. I feel like an outcast.

I went 'meh' on Appatow because I LOVED 40 Year Old Virgin, but most of the others just don't do much for me.

HAAAAAA! I love what's winning for the Twilight question. I LOVE YOU PEOPLE. See? We're not that different!

Don't ever stop posting shirtless male celebrities. Never.

And for the last question, you forgot "Compulsively and obsessively".

Dustin>> Cool. I had something in mind a little more comprehensive with a little more variegation in the answers (there were a few for which I felt no answer was best), but that's probably a lot more work than it's worth. I'll be curious about the results.

I agree the music question was the most difficult. I chose Dave Matthews Band because I enjoy some of their older stuff. I tried listening to Arcade Fire, but they didn't do anything for me. However, of those four choices, they might be the most accurate blanket label. I enjoy Metallica occasionally but don't seek them out. I even like that one Kelly Clarkson song. But, yeah, I'm mostly a jazz guy, and - as someone mentioned them above - Rush rules!

Also, I had problems saying that I "loved" Robert Downey Jr., but it was the best answer of the four. I guess I'm not as comfortable with the shirtless male adoration as you are. :- )

@ enorquest: I wondered what happened to Miss South Carolina. I'm glad she's putting that strip club money to good use, getting through college and all.

enorquest, a friend of mine is a lit professor at a school in upstate New York. She insists that while she was an adjunct at UNLV, a full professor cracked under the pressure of trying to grade 101 essays. He eventually designated a letter grade to each of the four corners in his office and flung papers randomly, then assigned a grade based on the corner. She said the most disturbing thing about it was that he was able to give feedback justifying the grades without reading any of the papers.

Uh-oh, Lucas. Don't break up with me now that we're besties, but... I kind of like Dave Matthews. On the other hand, my musical tastes are wide and varied, which is why I skipped that question altogether. None of the items listed "best represent" me. Other than that, though, it's a pretty simple, non-scientific-y poll, so you just have to go with the best available answer.

also, @ Shinykate: hee!

Also, I agree that disagreement is "fun"damental... but I also believe there's a difference between "scathing and bitchy" and "nasty and self-righteous".

Oh, Julie, I'd love to be your Pecan Sandy.

If you don't like Lost, it's because you don't get it and you're just jealous of those of us who do. Hee hee.

Also, I agree that disagreement is "fun"damental... but I also believe there's a difference between "scathing and bitchy" and "nasty and self-righteous".

Agreed.

Yeaaaah, Kolby. They are jealous of our superior intelligences.

Alright, Lucas. Some people like Dave. A lot of people hate Dave. While the choices for the music poll did suck, there is no reason to single out Dave Matthews.

I had to go with Dave because current day Metallica makes me want to punch Lars in the face. Asshat.

enorquest, if my 7th grader had written that paper, I'd be hauling her ass into Kumon so fast she'd hear a sonic boom. Tell me, how are the author's football skills?

Enorquest, my sympathies are with you. I'd send you hundreds of red pens if I could.

The fact that 80% rarely or never comment is an example of Participation Inequality and is totally normal (or better than normal, even!), I think. I'm a rare or never commenter - in fact I think that I have commented once before this time.

I do like polls though as well as the quirky "standards" that Pajiba tends to bring up again and again. If I don't like something, I just don't read it - or I'll read it to figure out why others like it so much and maybe give it a try.

That was a tough one for me too, Kate, but in my case I loved 40 Year Old Virgin, hated Superbad and thought Knocked Up was only OK. Haven't seen the others, but those three made me vote 'meh' on the whole.

Wednesday and others who have responded, I guess I should also mention that English is probably not this student's first language, which may explain the questionable grammar. It was an in-class exam, so the student couldn't get anyone to help he or she with the writing. However, I'd feel more guilty about posting that excerpt if that student had shown any evidence whatsoever that they had studied the material.

Back on topic, who doesn't like Firefly?

Where is the "Lord of the Rings is awesome as long as I can fast-forward through the goddamn Frodo parts" option?

I'm also glad to know that I'm not the only enthusiastic lurker around here.

Kevin Smith was the difficult one for me. Liked Clerks, Zack and Miri, Mallrats and Dogma. Didn't like Chasing Amy. Didn't love any of them. Also there's the fact that I have never seen Veronica Mars, but would probably really love it if I ever settled down to watch it. Anywho, thanks for choosing my diversion! I am oddly proud that little old me was able to shake things up a bit.

I laughed out loud at the "Are You Fucking Serious?!" option for Twilight, since that was my exact thought before I read the options.

I think the music choices were fine, although maybe that's just because I actually listen to Arcade Fire and don't pay attention to the other groups at all.

Melody, Dave Matthews was one of my "suck it I love them" bands in that diversion. I think they're fantastic.

I don't like Firefly.

I couldn't watch the last half of Serenity...I tried, but I just didn't care.

Jeez, Julie, could you be any more of a fratboy?

That's it. Beer pong duel, me and you. Prepare to be smoten. Smited. Murdered.

"Meh" is not sufficient. Needed more "ok" or "liked it."

I was/am a long time reader but only recently de-cloaked to post on Pajiba and I'm really happy to see so many others come out of hiding. As a wise Eloquent once said: "Once you hit that 'Post Comment' button the first time, there's no turning back".
And ya know... people here are pretty cool for a bunch of sarcastic, cynical hipster douchebags who drink too much.
Beer, anyone?

That should read than *you. I can't type when I'm throwing down.

Omg. Omg. Optimus Rhyme vs. Julie. Omg.

Where's that popcorn, figgy?!I've got the beverages, what's everybody want?

$50 on Julie.

Popcorn and coke in hand.

Hmmm... so if I vote that I don't watch "Firefly," does that imply that I don't like Whedon? I've never seen a single episode of that one or his latest show, but I absolutely love "Buffy." It's in my top 5 shows of all time, if not at #1. Nothing he's done since then, save for "Dr. Horrible," has caught my interest.

Your Philly "Palaces of Leisure" have only made you soft.

OOooh! Now he's done it.

I'm still waiting for Apatow, for SOMEONE to make a movie featuring a female lead who isn't a bombshell but is hilarious. You know, the equivalent of a Seth Rogen or Jonah Hill. When? WHEN!

I'm out running tables when you're curled up with a bottle of red wine and watching Numb3rs. (I assume that is an old person show.)

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!! Close! Damn it. (Bones)

The Palace of Leisure was in Manayunk, which is where college frat boys move when they graduate with their engineering degrees from Drexel. And you underestimate how many hours I spent at Penn State Main campus and my best friend's Brooklyn dorm practicing for this event. Don't underestimate a girl from the Philly suburbs young man, there's nothing to do but play Asshole and beer pong while crying over an Eagles' loss.

Julie, babe, I love you, but my money's on Rhyme. Those frat boy's know how to do it.

smooches You love me and you know it.

Yeah, I'm sick of female comedians looking like Laura Kightlinger.

SICK!

I feel kind of lame for saying I love a billion of the things mentioned in the polls. But seriously, Veronica Mars and Robert Downey Jr. are pretty amazing.

We should've had a poll about those fucking new audio ads on the site that make me hit the "mute" button every time I come here now. The options would be:
1. Make's my ears bleed
2. I'd rather kick a dog than listen to them
3. Pajiba wants money, so fuck you
4. Seriously fuck you and give us money

Roaddog, Dustin explains the ads in the Pajiba Love thread.

I put a lot of "meh". (Meh-tallica?)

But it was nice to see RJD score so high and Twilight score so "are you fucking serious?"

How fucking old am I? I play real ping-pong with massive amounts of beer.

I tell you, the pussy-ass kids these days.

I put a lot of "meh". (Meh-tallica?)

That made me laugh WAY harder than it should have. I love me some puns.

I forget youre east coast. You play actual Pong. Beirut is, of course, the better version of the ball-and-cup drinking games, but that's just because the Midwest is superior in almost all forms.

Ooh! And I wanna sit with replica... I enjoy being distracted by boobies!

except we use real ping pong balls and we put our cups in a diamond shape, 3-2-1

Yeah, multiple cups are more fun, and you need one with a more narrow mouth but with more beer in it, so it's harder to get that one, but the person has to drink more.

Point of order:

Beirut is the 3-2-1 (or 4-3-2-1 if you're a hard-ass) assembly of cups, where you take turns throwing the ping pong ball. If it lands in, the other person chugs the cup.

Beer Pong is where you use paddles to try and hit the ball at (or in) the cups on the other side.

As you were.

Jake's above me laid it out perfectly. Except no re-racks. You totally get reracks after you eliminate 4 cups, then after the next 2.

As one of the legion of lurkers (I've commented oh, maybe 3 times), I just wanted to pop up again and say it's mainly because my bosses at work get all pissy-like if they walk by and see me being less than productive, and it just takes way too much time for me to a) read a post b) read all the comments on the post and c) think up a witty comment to post myself while still maintaining the appearance of productivity. That said, I lurves me some Pajiba. I usually get to read a choice couple of articles each day and enjoy the first few comments, and you peeps never fail to make me smile and/or think.
Oh, and Julie, you can eat my cookie anytime ;)

Century Clubs are fun. The first power hour I ever did, I didn't realize that my shot glass was accidentally a shot-and-a-half glass. 90 shots of beer in 60 minutes. I fell off the planet that night. It's why I don't like St. Louis.

*eyeroll*

90 shots of beer in 60 minutes. I fell off the planet that night. It's why I don't like St. Louis.

Assuming 90 shots all at an ounce a piece and divided by 12 ounces for a "normal" size beer thats... 7.5 beers in an hour. Yeah, I could do that.

B-Slim was pulling their underwear up over their shoulders and taking their milk money, but we made him stop months ago. Outside the occasional involuntary polyp check, he leaves them alone, by and large.

BarbadoSlim is a cupcake, albeit one with a double-edged razor blade embedded just beneath that sweet, creamy frosting. Mmmmm... cupcakes... and beer. Heavenly beer. Mmmmm... beer and BarbadoSlim.
Yeah, I'm drunk again. Ladies?

But shots of beer is totally different than drinking a beer. 7.5 beers in an hour is doable. Dumb, but doable. Power hours are designed to get you messed. up.

Oh believe me, i would be effed in the A if I drank 7 and a half beers in an hour. Especially, as I'm wont to do when I'm hammered, if I then continued to drink at a similar rate for the rest of the evening. I'm just not convinced that taking eentsy weentsy 1 ounce sips of beer at regular intervals will get you more fucked up than just drinking them. However, I've never actually participated in a real power hour, so I'll have to defer to your better judgement.

Methinks I found a project for this weekend.

Damn... it DOES help to be slightly hammered.
Lurkers, drink up!

I thought it sounded just fine, figgy... unless the gooey center belongs to Bar...eww.
Never mind.

Ah. Apparently my comment covered well-trod ground. This is what I get for not reading comments first.

Whatever. SUCK IT, COMMENTERS. I'M STANDING ON YOUR SHOULDERS LIKE NEWTON, BITCH.

Holden Caulfield is a douchebag.

Beer pong: note of caution
http://ccinsider.comedycentral.com/2009/03/04/colbert-on-beer-pong-herpes/

Incidentally, maybe I'm reading too much into it, but the thread went from enorquest's grading nightmare to earnest discussion of beer pong. Link?

I got mono from playing Beirut. It wasn't so bad really. Except for the blinding pain in my throat for a week. After that, mono was a breeze.

80% rarely or never comment. Pretty key, I'd say.

Posted by: Anonymous at April 17, 2009 1:11 PM

80% have work to do to keep a fucking job (if they have one) or have limited access (have to share comp time with roommate[s] or use the one at the library).

What, life in the real world is such a freakin' news flash?

bjs1109, I'd venture this opinion: A lot of people do not post because it's intimidating to wade into this maelstrom and hope to have your voice heard. It's scary to wander into an online community and put yourself out there for the general public because, deep down, we all have a need and desire for acceptance, recognition and, yes, validation. We want to be liked... it's human nature. I can understand why people shy away but I wish they would jump in and make themselves known. Having said that, I'll have a beer and think of seckseh things I can say to figgy and AvB. (I thrive on rejection.)

i cant spel gud to.

Admin--

You were an altar boy, unless you meant you were a girl and were altered.

O snap.

Also, my shotglass was not girly. It was a Steppenwolf Theatre Company shotglass and...yeah, that's kinda girly.

Jake, what if I said "a little from column A and a little from column B?" Would that be suitably androgynous?

(Good one though, need more rum)

Although, to be fair, I did say that Kristen Bell would look hot with a strapon the other day, so, you know, yay surreality.

Beer v. Vodka & OJ... bring it, figs.....

Interesting poll, tough it was kind of...polarizing (you can either hate, love, be uninterested or don't know something; I'd have liked something in the middle better than "meh", but it was an interesting census.

I'm also crushing on figgy but, hey I'm drunk enough to say it out loud. So, on the demerit system... I dunno, figgy, is that a good or a bad? I'm thinking that in the Pajibaverse, it's demerits.

Nope. No Heigl love. Her inner ugly negates all else.

I say that figgy because liking someone is sort of... I dunno... "bad" around these parts?

HA! No worries, dude, in my book it's always good to get some lovin'.

I am now full of delicious pepperoni pizza. I can't even move.

Yeah, I think Leela was after the piece. They didn't give us her full name for a while, but when I saw that there was a Turanga attached, I paused.

It's beautiful, energetic and strange. I won't get into huge details, it would be boring. But any Messiaen fans out there should give it a gander. When there's time though, it's an hour and a half long.

Feh, it's not culture, it's my job. I am a really useful member of society and absolutely not a drain on it, because I'm a French classical music specialist (historian)/pianist. The rest of the western canon, too. But everyone needs a calling card.

Seriously. I know. So all of you sans frontieres plebes? Leave my wake. I matter!

I always hold back on telling people that, because I'm not even sure why it exists. I'm also the fastest research assistant in the land. So if anyone needs my super-important skills--and when DON'T YOU?--Pay me some money.

I'm just a professional student whose school demands more per month in rent than it pays me to be here. And anyone who has to read and mark undergraduate essays should be bestowed with riches untold. I'll bet I look foxy in ermine. Then I would use the money to buy a turnip of my very own.

But if you want to hear the profoundly strange piece of music with (don't debate it, I'm your better) it falls under the Ars Subtilor genre I mentioned.

It's called 'Fumeux fume par la fumee', written by a person named Solage. We don't know anything about his life, and only ten pieces have been conclusively attributed to him, but it's a doozy. We know that he was working at the court of Burgundy c. 1401 or 1403.

It's an ode to/mockery of a society of smokers, and brother, it wasn't tobacco (two centuries need to pass for that happen). Solage may have been a member. They would've been smoking opium and/or hashish, and the song is written as if in a drug-fueled haze. They sing about all the smokey smoke that you smoke, and all the slurred speech dropped words and stumbling over each other's notes with mind-bending chromatics which increase as the piece goes on needs to be heard to be believed. Well, you've basically got three guys who as high as can be talking about how fun it is to be high, and they're not making a lick of sense. You know, because of, high. It's actually really creepy.

If you get a chance (or the inclination) to find this gem, you'll want to hear a version performed for men's a capella in three voices. That's the original arrangement and the most interesting one. Another thing that makes it landmark piece is that during the days of boy sopranos and castrati (not in France though, they thought it was disgusting and barbaric practice), you get a piece written for bass, bass-baritone and very low tenor. At the time, this was the lowest tessitura ever written for vocal music, and the impact of it really does hit you like a sack of tits.

Medieval French vocal music isn't really our 'thing' here, but it's only four and half minutes long. There's good recording by the Ancient Voices ensemble (I think). What's the risk?

Also: I never saw Iron Man.

There should be a "I fucking love it" for the Lost category. I don't care how much it slumped after the first season but it is back baby and I would click that shit like no other.

And to you Figgy, ye hijacker of threads....Jameson, on the rocks.

I always feel so restricted by surveys! (This is where my nature as a P--you know on the MyersBriggs personality survey--totally comes raging forward.) There are rarely enough/proper options.

For example:

Kevin Smith - I neither love him, don't know who he is, feel meh about him, nor hate him. I like him. I've liked some of his movies a lot (Dogma) and others not so much (Mallrats, Chasing Amy). So, I needed a "like him" option.

Judd Apatow, etc. - see above. Don't love all of it, but my feelings are much more positive than meh.

Lost - I can't figure out why you didn't have the following response option "I totally loved Lost for the first two seasons, but then grad school got in the way for season three, and I haven't gotten caught up at all, which sucks, because it sounds like it's been pretty amazing for the past two seasons."

Veronica Mars - needed an option between meh and loved it. I really liked it, but don't feel as passionate about it as others.

Shirtless Male Celebrities - I needed an option for "I find those posts really funny."

Also, clearly the how frequently do you comment options needed something for more than once a day. :)

Anyway, I answered the questions I could, but some of them got left blank, 'cause I couldn't find a response that felt right.

And yes, I can be obsessive.

I have to say, I'm one of those people who rarely comments...I would say mostly it has to be with being in a completely different time zone, and so by the time I come round to comment, everything I want to say has been said, no one's going to read it, so it seems largely pointless.

Plus, I have largely terrible taste in movies, TV and music and am therefore a little ashamed. That said, I am one of the 83% majority on the 'Twilight' poll...so I can't be all bad, I guess...

This is Spender:

http://www.marriedtothesea.com/041709/favorite-kind-of-wine.gif

Not a stalker, nope.

Figgy?
So busted.

Got any pepperoni pizza left, figs? Me hungry.

Bucaroo! I was wondering where you were.

Lots of pizza left. I was gonna eat some for breakfast, because nothing beats cold pizza for breakfast. But you can have a slice as long as you get me some more alkyfrol.

...because nothing beats cold pizza for breakfast.

Except cold pizza and a cold beer. You know, those breakfasts that are the continuation of the evening's celebrations.

And knowing is half the battle!

Need to go sleep now.

By the way, what the fuck happened to my Kissing Suzy Kolber link?

Can we get a poll on what is our favorite non-Pajiba related link?

Oops that should be 'first', obviously.

And all the talk of people not commenting because it's intimidating here...I should have been intimidated? I never thought about it. I just started commenting. Hmm...maybe now I'm intimidated. I'm gonna go hide for a bit...

Kate:

I'm glad someone out there has a similar love/hate for the apatow that somehow translates into meh. I loved forgetting sarah marshall and i love you man but also turned off superbad after 25 minutes because it was painfully unfunny (and i'm not even a michael cera hater). Knocked up was adequate, and 40 year old virgin was gross, but not in a funny way. I guess that translates into meh.

If asked before, i would have predicted a lot of pajibans would go with meh. Cmon, what is the more pretentious answer? Saying you loved something invites criticism, potential judgment.
If you go with the safe meh you offend no-one, can criticize it along with them, but also offer up unique reasons it was "adequate" that demonstrate your specialness.

Finally, if you read this site and you have never seemed VM FOR SHAME. Go watch it now. I understand how some people may not like buffy (the production values are pretty bad/1st season is highly questionable) but they should still try it. Veronica mars is simply fantastic. For straight guys and gay girls, K bell is obscenely hot. You are probably thinking wtfm Why is everyone obsessing over this rather blah girl?
That's me talking BEFORE i watched the damn show; i don't know what happened, but she went from reasonably ok girl to I would give away all my possessions to be near her. Gay guys and ladies, there is some excellent man candy to choose from.

Asexual people it is just an excellent show that will appeal to you provided you have an attention span.

That pizza was excellent, figs. Thanks! Now let's see what's in your likker cabinet ...

I thought this was an excellent (and revealing) survey.

Also, I think you missed a perfect opportunity to say, "And remember, this is for posterity, so please... be honest."

You know you've gone too far when white people accuse you of being "too white." For realz.

The reason I don't usually comment is because I live in a time zone quite opposite to North America, and by the time I get to this site, every topic I care about is basically done. I do sometimes leave a comment if I really have something to say, but it just sits there at the end looking sad and alone and unread.

Will come back to check if this one suffers the same fate.

I comment often. I kinda miss lurking, though. It skewed my perception; I felt included.

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at April 17, 2009 2:41 PM

I'm with you there, although I don't comment very often. If there there is no comment there, then it's not so bad when it's ignored (or ripped apart, which has also happened). I do not have the constitution for commenting on the internet, apparently. When I don't comment, I feel more like I'm a part of the group.

Oh ho! AvB, you have proven me wrong!

Ya I was particularly behind on this one due to the weekend. Still, even during the week when I come here daily, all the witty banter is played out before I can join in. No fun for me.