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By Daniel Carlson | Posted Under Lost Recaps | Comments (123)



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“Lost” tends to have really strong penultimate episodes each season, in part because the show’s natural ups and downs are best suited to the set-up, with the characters at their lowest, and the conclusion, as they band together to fight whatever enemy is currently giving them trouble. This week’s episode, “What They Died For,” was a solid episode that moved a lot of plot in an hour, but also did it in some surprising ways: The Los Angeles timeline has been the season’s main gimmick, and it will apparently now be tied into the series finale in a big way. But other moments — notably the brevity with which Jacob dispelled certain rumors — were refreshing in their candor and helped the story feel more real. Overall, another solid set-up of all the pieces for the final play.

The Los Angeles Timeline
The action opens with a close-up of Jack’s eye. He wakes to find blood on his neck —another evidence of one timeline punching a hole in reality to affect another — but washes it off before sitting down to breakfast with David. David’s excited about his concert that night, which Jack promises to attend, though he’s not wild about running into David’s mother. (Her name is once again held back, meaning her identity will be among the many reveals in the finale.) Claire walks in and joins them for cereal as Jack gets a call from Oceanic saying they’ve finally found his dad’s coffin and that it’s on its way to the city. But this is just the first of what will be many surprises for Jack: The guy on the phone is just Desmond, screwing with him from right outside in his car.

Later, Desmond’s scoping out Locke at his school when Ben shows up and starts shouting and threatening to call the cops. Desmond, who in this timeline does not take any crap at all, jumps out and starts pummeling Ben, triggering Ben to have a flash of being beaten on the pier by Desmond in the other timeline. Desmond tells Ben he wasn’t trying to kill Locke, just get him to “let go.” He tosses Ben and bails.

Ben gets patched up in the nurse’s station and tells Locke about his run-in with Desmond, adding that he believed him when Desmond said he didn’t want to kill Locke but change his life. “I think I saw something,” Ben says. Locke starts to call the cops but is talked down when Ben mentions letting go, paralleling the conversation Locke had with Jack about his reluctance to undergo surgery. Locke is starting to put things together, too, especially after the way he stopped short when Jack quoted his own other-universe suicide note back to him.

Meanwhile, down at the police station, Miles is getting dressed up for a show at his dad’s museum that night when Desmond walks in and turns himself in for running over Locke and assaulting Ben. (So I’m guessing the assault was reported even though Locke didn’t call the cops.) Sawyer’s a bit taken aback at the surrender but is all too happy to march Desmond back to the holding cell. Desmond’s pleased, too, but his happiness makes more sense when his cellmate turns out to be Sayid, with Kate just a couple cages down. Desmond is the non-crash world’s Ben: He always has a plan.

A little later, Ben runs into Alex at school, and she’s so saddened by his injuries and story of being in a fight that she insists on giving him a ride home with her mom, Danielle Rousseau. (We haven’t seen her — the older adult her, anyway — since she was killed in the fourth season’s “Meet Kevin Johnson.”) They take Ben in and insist on having him stay for dinner, an exchange that leads to the most groan-worthy line of the night: Rousseau says Ben’s coming to dinner, “even if we have to kidnap you.” Ha ha, the symmetry, ha ha. Ben enjoys his dinner at the Rousseau home, but he’s moved to tears to learn from Danielle that Alex looks at him like a father. He clearly loves her, too, and it’s nice to see them together in a world where no one’s been murdered or manipulated by a smoke monster.

Later on, Locke pays a visit to Jack. He comes clean about originally wanting nothing to do with Jack, but then he lays out the evidence — sharing a flight, winding up under Jack’s knife after his accident — that has convinced Locke that maybe there’s a reason he and Jack have met. Terry O’Quinn does a great job at playing Locke as a reluctant believer, and it’s nice to see him struggling with the ideas that would become firm convictions for his other world’s self. Jack balks a bit, saying Locke is “mistaking coincidence for fate,” but he comes around when Locke says he wants to have the surgery and get out of his wheelchair.

Back at the station, Sawyer opens up the cages so Sayid, Kate, and Desmond can be escorted out for their trip to county. Kate tries to get him to let her out, insisting that her claims of innocence ought to be enough for a sworn officer of the law to spring her, but Sawyer turns her down, though he does hesitate a bit. Out in the van, traveling to the jail, Desmond starts telling Kate and Sayid he can get them out of their predicament. Sayid tells Kate not to listen to the crazy guy, but they both half-seriously agree to do what Desmond says when the van stops and give him their trust in exchange for freedom. To their surprise, the van does soon stop. The rear door pops open to reveal Ana Lucia standing there, asking loudly which one of them is Hume and who’s got her money. She is the world’s shittiest corrupt cop. They’ve arrived at the docks, as likely a place as any for a casual prison break. She lets them all out as Hurley pulls up in his big yellow Hummer; he and Des are now apparently pretty tight, and he calls Ana Lucia by name, though she doesn’t recognize him. Apparently, Hurley’s remembered more about the other timeline than anyone else so far. Desmond tells him Ana Lucia’s “not ready yet,” which implies that some of the characters are ready to be turned and others won’t be. Hurley gives Ana Lucia an envelope with $125,000, and she takes her leave. Desmond sends Sayid off with Hurley and takes Kate to the car he’s got waiting, procuring a dress for her to wear. “We are going to a concert,” he tells her. So it looks like Desmond and the people he’s visiting will wind up paying a visit to the concert taking place at Miles’ dad’s museum and at which David Shephard will play. That’s gonna be a busy party.

The Island Timeline
Lots going on here, so I’ll move through it quickly.

The scattered remains of the castaways are a ragtag, pathetic lot in the dawn light, with Kate suffering massive blood loss and Sawyer and Hurley staring out at the ocean in a depressed daze. I liked how Jack had to sew up her shoulder on the fly, mirroring the job she did for him in the pilot episode. Kate and Jack agree that the thing passing as Locke must be killed, and Jack’s plan to go find Desmond and go to the mattresses rouses Sawyer and Hurley back to action.

Off in the jungle, Ben, Miles, and Richard — not seen since they split from Jack, Hurley, and Sun in “Everybody Loves Hugo” — are headed to the Barracks to get some C4 from Ben’s secret closet. Miles has some flashes when they hit the village, and it’s revealed that Richard buried Alex in a shallow grave near Ben’s house. Ben believably thanks him for this kindness before leading them inside the house and then the hidden closet full of cash and clothes, as well as the door to the chamber where Ben would go to summon the monster. “That’s before I realized it was the one summoning me,” Ben says. They grab the C4 and leave to find Zoe in the kitchen with Widmore appearing from around the corner.

Widmore sends Zoe to go sink the outrigger they used to get there while he and Ben do some typical verbal sparring. Learning of their plan, Widmore tells Ben he’s had the Ajira plane wired for days now — meaning it was his bomb that wound up killing Sayid and wrecking the sub — adding that he came back to the island because Jacob visited him and made him see the error of his ways. Zoe radios that the Man in Black just showed up at the dock.

Jack’s group hikes through the jungle toward the well Desmond is apparently trapped in, which is when Sawyer realizes his complicity in his friends’ deaths and Jack tells him that the accident was MIB’s fault, not Sawyer’s. While hiking, Hurley sees a vision of Jacob as a boy that disappears and then springs up behind him. He asks for the ashes Hurley took from Ilana’s stuff that she’d taken from the foot of the statue after Jacob died, and when Hurley produces the bag, the boy grabs it and runs. Hurley chases him to find the adult Jacob sitting at a fire. When the fire’s gone, “you’ll never see me again,” Jacob tells him, adding that it’s time to round up the rest and do some talking. “We’re very close to the end now, Hugo.”

Back at the Barracks, Ben gives Miles a walkie-talkie and tells him to stay in touch, and he takes off to hide in the jungle. Widmore and Zoe hide in Ben’s enormous closet of deception and explosives while Richard heads out to try and talk with MIB and distract him by feigning allegiance to him. Richard strolls into the deserted courtyard but is promptly knocked who knows where by the smoke monster. I don’t think he’s dead — not so suddenly, not like that — but for now, he’s gone. Ben sits on his porch as MIB ambles into view. MIB offers to give Ben the island in exchange for killing some more people, which is apparently all the prompting Ben needs to turn on Widmore. He leads the Man in Black inside and into the secret room, where Widmore and Zoe are nervously standing. MIB cuts Zoe’s throat after Widmore tells her not to talk — which thank goodness, because she was pointless to introduce this late in the game — and then threatens to kill Penny when he gets home unless Widmore cooperates. Widmore tells MIB he brought Desmond to the island as a “measure of last resort” because of his resistance to electromagnetism; he leans in to whisper more at MIB’s request but is soon shot by Ben. Widmore drops to the ground, dead.

Out in the jungle, it’s for some reason dark when Jack’s crew all reach Jacob at his fire. Jacob tells them he brought them all there to remedy “a mistake” he made a long time ago, and that he’s responsible for the monster being the way he is. Now that he’s dead, someone else will have to step up and protect the light at the center of the island from the monster. Kate asks why she’s not a candidate, and Jacob highlights the arbitrary nature of his system by telling her he only did that when she became a mom, and that the job’s hers if she wants it. “It’s just a line of chalk in a cave, Kate,” he says. It’s the perfect way to get at the heart of the issue while brushing aside some of the narrative’s red herrings. Jack, as he’s been preparing himself to do for a while, steps up and says, “I’ll do it. It’s why I’m here.” He and Jacob head down to a stream while the others watch and wait. These are some of the most human moments they’ve had recently, with Sawyer making an awkward joke, Kate hushing him into compliance, and Hurley expressing gratitude that he’s not the chosen one. Down at the water, Jacob tells Jack that the light to be guarded is just past the bamboo trees where Jack woke after crashing in 2004. Jack doesn’t remember the light, but Jacob assures him it’s there. Jacob then performs the ritual his mother did centuries before, scooping up some water, speaking a chant, and letting it drop down to the stream to be scooped up again in a cup from Jack’s pack. As Jack takes the cup, he asks how long he has to do his new job. “As long as you can,” Jacob replies. Jack drinks, and Jacob says, “Now you’re like me.”

On another part of the island, Ben and MIB reach the well only to find Desmond isn’t in it, so they can’t send their love down to him, and they also see a rope leading up out of it the well. The Man in Black is surprisingly upbeat about this turn of events, explaining to Ben that before he shot Widmore, Widmore had already told MIB that Desmond was there as a fail-safe if nothing else worked. The Man in Black says he’s going to hunt down Desmond and use him to do the one thing he’s never been able to do: destroy the island.

And that’s that. Like I said, tons of solid set-up for what’s going to be a packed series finale. I liked seeing Jack step up to protect the island, bringing the central conflict in a way back to the Jack-Locke head-butting of the first season. The island’s been calling him ever since he left. I also liked the way Ben pulled another 180 and helped the Man in Black mow down Zoe and Widmore. But weren’t there rules governing that? Ben seemed to allude to being unable to kill Widmore in the fourth season’s “The Shape of Things to Come,” but he lit the old man’s ass up this time. Why the change? I also think it’s highly likely that Ben is willing to kill his enemies but that he’s also no friend to the Man in Black. Ben’s sorrow and desire for acceptance were so strong and legitimate earlier this season that it’d be a shame (and too easy) for him to just go back to being a ruthless killer.

There’s not much more to say before we head into the finale. It airs Sunday and runs two and a half hours, and while I’m sure it will cover a lot of ground, many mysteries will remain just that. (Movieline had a great round-up a few weeks back of major questions still unanswered at that point, and though some have since been addressed, like Jacob and the Man in Black, there are plenty of others that might never be dealt with. Vulture had a similar rundown of the series’ most pointless episodes, too.) I’m not even sure what I want answered and what I can accept being ignored, but I’d like to have some semblance of a rough timeline charting the arrival of DHARMA and their importance. It feels a lot like they’ve been given the shaft this season. Also, what was up with Taller Ghost Walt? And the people who shot at Sawyer’s time travelers in the outrigger last season? Will Miles show back up? Will one timeline destroy the other, or reset it? Can the Man in Black ever be killed, or merely contained? Why did Cindy join the Others? Where did the numbers come from? What’s with the Hurley bird? Etc., etc., etc.

Finally, some among you might have noticed a theme among the headlines I’ve been using for this season’s recaps. I’ve used different themes for each season I’ve done, purely for the fun of trying to scare up a little extra meaning from existing sources and tie the season’s posts together. For the fourth season, it was Beatles lyrics and titles; last year, it was epigraphs from “The Wire” (a show whose dimension, characters, and impact puts “Lost” to shame in such a gigantic way it’s barely worth talking about, if we’re being honest); this year, it’s been something else. The first commenter to name the theme of the headlines wins — you guessed it — a warm feeling of self-fulfillment that’s beyond any price. (UPDATE: We have a winner.)

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a member of the Houston Film Critics Society, as well as a TV blogger for the Houston Press. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

Does Jack need to retrieve Ji Yeon so he can train her to be the candidate?

My current theory – Just as Smokey possesses elements of the man and is
born of the light, the light also retains part of the man; Locke needs Jacob a
bsent and without a replacement in order to destroy the light and therefore release his essence in its entirety and leave the island. What if Jack returns the monster from whence it came? Mother was protecting the island without the monster to contend with, so even if he vanquishes Smokey, it would seem
Jack is going to be living in a foot for quite some time. Would destroying the monster AND sinking the island with the light in tact release Jack? In
metaphysical terms, isn’t that cheating? If one does not have to actively
protect the light, then where does free will/destiny come in?

The flash sideways is starting to feel like a murder mystery game with everyone converging at the museum with their candlesticks, revolvers and notebooks
full of complex physics equations that they don’t really understand.

Lost has been so successful with plot twists that even when Jack accepted
Jacob’s role (with me shouting at the TV, “BECAUSE THE HERO MUST
CHOOSE!”), I wasn’t convinced that it would be him until the whole “take
and drink this” scene by the river. So who has the Latin translation going? Lostpedia is saying - For we do not accept this just as a common drink,
but as if that (he?) should be one with me."

Who else doesn’t buy the whole Ben bad thing? He got the vengeance he
wanted on Widmore and since Locke changed his tune and said he would
destroy the island, Dr. Linus doesn’t have anything to lose. I sense a sacrifice.

And the questions I really want answered:

What was the thing with the children? This is a definite IOU
from the producers.

Charles Widmore was looking pretty snazzy in his jungle togs. Any chance
there was some Kevlar under that vest?

What’s Eloise up to these days?

What happened to Hurley that he is clearly able to understand
both worlds now? Who else can at this point? Libby?

Do any of the puny mortals tussling over the island have any knowledge or understanding of the Light at the center of the island beyond the

Donkey Wheel? Are they just really, really into electromagnetism? Killing Widmore would seem to preclude getting as many answers as one might want.

Miles is going to survive. Maybe he will be the one to hear a dying/dead
Richard say Thank You. Or is Richard really dead at long last? I demand
a death scene! How cool was it that when Smokey came for Richard, the smoke
was split just like when Locke attacked Richard with his hands on the beach?

What really happened when the atomic bomb detonated? If it detonated.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 11:41 AM

I don't believe Richard is dead. Instead of seeing him thrashed about like we normally do, Smokey carried Richard off on a wave.

Bad Ben is back and he's beautiful. He's up to something - and it's more than just giving up (Ben would never give up). I think I'm in the minority when I say I POOP ON THE SIDEWAYS. KILL IT!!! I don't like happy Ben (even though it was totally cool to see Danielle all prettied up). The sideways is like that Lost with a sitcom ending video - stupid and wrong. Bad Ben, that's who we know and love.

Speaking of which, I loved the references to earlier shows - Danielle commenting on kidnapping Ben, Jack stitching up Kate. I loved Kate saying Sawyer didn't seem like a cop.

One thing I feel certain of is that when they all see each other at the concert, something will go all Oingo Boingo and our gang will end up somewhere else. OK, maybe not certain, but damned sure.

Badass Desmond rocks.

I really hope Desmond is getting them to let go so the sideways can be killed. I haven't got much of a theory as to how it will all be resolved - maybe the Losties who died will be reunited in the hereafter in some special way. I know Figgy and some others believe the island will be sunk and I can see that happening - perhaps even by Smokey's own...er...plume? But I also hope that doesn't leave the sideways as reality. Maybe it will leave those left alive (Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, possibly Jack - though he might have to die with the island) on the second island?

I do think Juliet will end up being David's mother and that Sawyer and Juliet will see each other at the concert and have their moment. Maybe Locke's going to die in surgery?

I think if the writers/producers stay with the idea of repetition - all of this has happened before and will happen again (Hello, BSG!) - the island won't just disappear though. Somehow, things will be replaying again.

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 11:42 AM

They take Ben in and insist on having him stay for dinner, an exchange that leads to the most groan-worthy line of the night:Rousseau says Ben’s coming to dinner, “even if we have to kidnap you.”

I was more angry when Widmore said "Can I come in?" after he already walked in to Ben's house. Apparently going to an ad break requires some cheese beforehand.

Posted by: Stew at May 19, 2010 11:53 AM

I wondered about Locke dying in surgery too. It would be a fitting end for his character to die doing something potentially pointless.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 11:56 AM

I'm really tired so I may not say much today, but I am satisfied with everything I saw last night. I'm not sure how they're going to end things, but I'm leaning more and more toward the sideways being the only reality in the end. OR, maybe the two realities continue, but everyone who dies on the island (and I'm still thinking that's going to be everyone, or maybe everyone but Jack, who chooses to sacrifice his happy life in the Sideways to protect everyone else) gets to live happily every after in in 2004 LA.

Posted by: Kolby at May 19, 2010 12:00 PM

Well Chosen is Buffy and the rest haven't been so it didn't take much to figure out...
Season Finales!!! =)
Aaaah, warm feeling...
self-fulfillment...
Good life.

Posted by: jamiepants at May 19, 2010 12:01 PM

Is the title theme episode titles from Joss Whedon shows?

I can't WAIT for Sunday. Especially the concert.

Posted by: Julie at May 19, 2010 12:01 PM

I LOVED this episode. That was much more like what we needed for a finale.

You know...what you said about Ben made me think that he's not on MIB's side at all. He, like Sawyer earlier, just wants to pretend to help MIB while working on a way to get rid of him--he KNOWS MIB isn't trustworthy and had been manipulating him for years, and he really doesn't want to rule an Island with him around. He wants to get his revenge on MIB just as much as he wanted to kill Widmore. But oh man it was fantastic to see him go back to the Super Evil Ben we've all come to love.

Widmore's death was a surprise to me, but I liked that for ONCE they killed the guy with answers and we STILL go answers. Not full ones but it wasn't just a matter of killing the guy with all the answers so we could drag it on a bit longer that we always get.

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 12:04 PM

Good writeup. I also wondered what was up with Ben offing Widmore. I wonder if Ben didn't kill him. If technically they cannot kill each other because of some kind of rule thing, then maybe Ben saved him by shooting him down like that. Though then that would mean Locke didn't really check carefully that Widmore was in fact dead before leaving, which would be an uncharacteristic oversight on his part.

Posted by: scott cunningham at May 19, 2010 12:04 PM

the thing with the sideways is that now it really make sense, firstly for the writers to introduce this alternate ending so that it doesn't come up like a WTF, and secondly because now that it is clear (some people were with this theory) that the destroying of the island is smockey's work. So maybe Smockey is going to destroy the island, and it will progressively sink as the gang will escape, leaving jacko behind to kill Locke/MIB, who, separated from the monster, will become a mortal again.

Also, I loved the episode, it had everything I love about Lost, and I know nobody will agree, but yay for Ana-Lulu!

I thought the whole symbolism with Locke saying that he prefers feeling his feet on the ground was on the spot, and bears the whole tragedy of the character. After this sentence, it was clear that he had to be MIB reincarnate, resonating with the whole "it has happen before"...

PS: again forgive my lack of english skills, but I am tired.

Posted by: rg at May 19, 2010 12:04 PM

The first commenter to name the theme of the headlines wins — you guessed it — a warm feeling of self-fulfillment that’s beyond any price. :


Firefly Episodes?

Posted by: Max at May 19, 2010 12:04 PM

@jamiepants: Winner winner chicken dinner!

Posted by: Daniel Carlson at May 19, 2010 12:05 PM

Aha! so last week I suggested we all think up 5 questions we want answered at the finale, and I think some might be edited now by last night's episode.

So how about it, let's post our questions here and maybe we can help each other or just have a record of them so we can have proof by the finale?

I thought about it and just want these questions answered. These first two I'm pretty sure will be answered:

1) How did Jacob leave the Island when MIB couldn't?
2) How is MIB planning to leave the Island by destroying it, what does it MEAN?

These others, not so much:

3) What is up with the pregnancies on the Island?!
4) What was the deal with Dharma? I REALLY want this explained, because it was such a huge deal before and now it's been kicked to the background.
5) What the hell is Eloise Hawking?

I still think the Sideways Timeline is the result of the Island being sunk or destroyed, and Jack does it as a protector. I could be wrong, of course, and I wouldn't mind that. But that's what I think.

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 12:07 PM

Thouroghly enjoyed this weeks episode. really looking forward to the finale. Any theories I once had have pretty much been proven wrong or just don't make sense anymore. At this point I am along purely for the ride.

I was disappointed when widmore got shot. glad ben got his revenge but I really wanted some answers from him about what his purpose on the island was. Was it really a selfless sacrifice at jacob's behest? I don't know. Those answers could come from other places though.

I also want to know more about Dharma and what their purpose was. how did they even find the island? I guess Eloise and Widmore play into that a little as well. All those stations on the island and the station in L.A. that Eloise used to find the island were all Dharma right? How did Dharma come to build all this stuff and then the others end up controlling them? I agree 100% with Mrs. Julien about the kids thing too. and Cindy. Why were "others posing as Dharma" stealing kids from the losties and why did Cindy get to join them? (Cindy is the stewardess, right?)

I don't need to know exactly what the light is or the origin of the island. i have enough explanation on that front.

I love the show too much to get too negative about the few things I didn't like.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at May 19, 2010 12:11 PM

“We’re very close to the end now, Hugo.”

This? Totally made me tear up. I loved this episode (answers AND progress?! GTFO), particularly all the little dialogue shout-outs to earlier seasons.

I am under the impression Richard is dead, though. But I do agree with your assessment of the Ben situation.

And all of these titles are episode titles from other shows, but I don't know what the actual theme is, as they're from various shows. I'm sure someone smarter than me (and there are MANY of those) will pick up on it, though.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 19, 2010 12:11 PM

Elementary, my dear Carlson. The answer to your riddle is: these are all names for songs that have never been sung in my kitchen. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: logar at May 19, 2010 12:12 PM

Hey Daniel,

Are you actually able to separate your task of recapping the show from the experience of watching it as a fan? Can you simply enjoy the show?

Mrs. Julien

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 12:13 PM

I enjoyed the episode thoroughly, although I'm not sure where it's going you can sort of "feel" things accelerating towards "something" LOL. I cannot wait to see what's going to happen once Desmond gets everyone together in the same place, I wonder if he happens to have another hydrogen bomb lying around? Where's Charlie??

Great to see the "old" Ben again last night too, seeing him get beaten yet again was almost nostalgic in a way.

Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 19, 2010 12:13 PM

Cindy: you know why I want the Sideways Timeline to be "the one"?

because everybody's DEAD in the Island timeline. And some of them died so tragically and pointlessly and it's just...nice to let them have a second chance. I'm thinking of people like Boone or Alex or Rousseau, whom the Island destroyed completely. What I love about the Sideline is not that everyone is happy but just that they're getting to live their lives and make the right choices without being sucked into a supernatural Island to be used by two brothers who are fighting. The more I think about it, the more I like Sideline.

I like the idea that the Sideline is the direct result of how people acted on the Island...except that they're not DEAD because of bad calculations and supernatural forces.

BUT...based on Desmond's actions, I'm coming to think that that won't be the case. Sideline will be more like...like a dream that they never had. It's heartbreaking to me, but it's fitting for the show. These characters can't have nice things...

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 12:13 PM

I kind of think Richard is dead. Once he said that he's what MIB wants, my first thought was, "Dude, you're not important anymore." MIB needed Richard to help sway Candidates to his side when their knowledge of his true nature and motivations were more vague. But now the cat's out of the bag and they know he just wants them all dead, making Richard unnecessary except in my pants.

Posted by: jM at May 19, 2010 12:14 PM

Episode titles for other shows? (Fallen Heroes from Homicide Life on the Street, Port in a Storm from The Wire or May the Best Man Win from FNL)

Posted by: Radlum at May 19, 2010 12:18 PM

@lugar: Good point.

@Mrs. Julien: For me, the task of recapping and the fact of being a fan aren't something I need to separate; if I really like a show, I'm going to find a way to write about it somewhere, even if only in occasional posts on my blog. I still approach things like normal, and like or dislike what happens the way I usually would; I just write about it, is all. Now, do I wish sometimes that it required less work? Definitely.

Posted by: Daniel Carlson at May 19, 2010 12:18 PM

With only one episode left, I want to thank Daniel Carlson for his insightful summaries. I also want to thank all of you fellow Pajibans for your comments and theories. You have all made my Thursday afternoons much more enjoyable. I will miss it.

Posted by: Ojo Verde at May 19, 2010 12:21 PM

I'll also second figgy's questions. I would really like more on Dharma and the pregnancy/children kidnap thing. As Dan said, Dharma has gotten the short end of the stick this season.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at May 19, 2010 12:21 PM

I really enjoyed last night's episode. It's so much fun to watch alterna-Desmond pulling the threads together.

And, the return of Bad Ben! Nice to see him again. I do hope that Widmore didn't actually die (Zoe got a hurrah! out of me, though). I'd like to get the rest of his story.

No big surprise about Jack, but it was moving to see him take on the mantle. His next confrontation with Smokey will be a lot of fun to watch.

Posted by: Drake at May 19, 2010 12:21 PM

So do we think Richard survived his Smokey-enabled flight?

Also, I was disappointed in Ben on the island. I thought he learned from his mistake of killing Jacob, but my take on his murder of Widmore was that he was jealous Widmore spoke to Jacob. Petty jealousy is all I saw in his face.

However, Dr. Linus makes my heart happy.

Posted by: Coltrane at May 19, 2010 12:24 PM

Well, you do a simply spectacular job. I love watching Lost and your recaps are simultaneously thorough, witty and succinct, or as succinct as is possible. Your understanding of story and narrative is tremendously impressive.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 12:24 PM

(Objects in Space from Firefly, Night of the Dead Living and Work Related from Homicide Life on the Street, The Telling from Alias, Crossroads from Band of Brothers, Lay Down your Burdens from BSG)...I really have no life.
Anyway, I tend to avoid comparing any non-comedy show to The Wire because none of them can compare to that series to the point that trying any comparsion just reduces the enjoyment of a lesser work.

Posted by: Radlum at May 19, 2010 12:25 PM

"What is that, a secret-er door?"
I have missed Miles...

So, anybody know if they are showing the finale at the Alamo Drafthouse?

I'm still trying to organize my thoughts from last night, but overall I loved it. Plus, a Lost-virgin was with me, and when Zoe showed up, she sat up and asked, "Is that Tina Fey?"

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 19, 2010 12:27 PM

See, what I saw in Ben's face was him not wanting MIB to get any information out of Widmore. That was my take on that.

Also, I'd like to second (or third, or umpteenth by the time I hit post) the thanks to Mr. Carlson for taking the time to write up these recaps for us. They've certainly brought me great joy over the past couple of seasons, as well as a place to bounce hypotheses and discuss the myriad layers and complexities of the show, and I will surely miss them as much as the show itself.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 19, 2010 12:28 PM

1) Yes, yes I believe that Ben will the one to out con the con-man who out conned the con-artist Sawyer. If anyone can lie like butter wouldn't melt in their mouth, it's Ben.

2) I swear, I'm trying not to be crabby about this, but can we give up in the Ji Yeon as candidate thing? We learned tonight that a) Jacob only picked people who were flawed and alone [yeah Ji Yeon is rather alone now but not, as far as I could see from that tiny digital camera screen, flawed in anyway] b) being a pretty good mother gets your name crossed off [so, not that we'll ever know, but my money is on Jin being a candidate though, one might argue, that Sun's willingness to leave her daughter to go back to Craphole Island and find Jin makes her romantic but, maybe, not the best mother. I still think it's Jin. It's Jin Jin Jin!!!! I also concede it's just chalk on a wall]

Posted by: coveredinbees at May 19, 2010 12:29 PM

Also Lapidus and Alpert are TOTALLY alive and working on their Hall and Oates cover band: Chest Hair and Guyliner.

"Smokey, yeah you, you make-ah my dreams come true! Sideways! Siiiideways! Sideways!"

Posted by: coveredinbees at May 19, 2010 12:34 PM

...“The Wire” (a show whose dimension, characters, and impact puts “Lost” to shame in such a gigantic way it’s barely worth talking about, if we’re being honest)

Word.

I don't think Ben fully reverted to his old ways. I think he just saw the opportunity to get what he wanted (killing Widmore) while also getting MIB to believe that he's still the same old Bad Ben. He has plan. I hope.

Posted by: jM at May 19, 2010 12:36 PM

Where the fuck is Vincent?

Is the sideways timeline the consequence of the bomb, or what could have been if Smockey win?

Does the statue of Tawaret mean that Egyptians where on the island at some point (since the island move(d)) and does it mean that it is in fact aliens passing as gods who put the light there, before Kurt Russell and David Spader discovered the whole thing?

Posted by: rg at May 19, 2010 12:37 PM

Why do I think Juliet is Jack's ex in the LA timeline? We haven't seen her yet in in the parallel timeline.

Also, this is my big question! Ready for it? Why is Ana Lucia not ready to go back to the island? Is it because she just doesn't have the mental capacity to believe in it yet? Is she just not able to believe it because of what happened to her over there? OR is it because if she was ready to go back she would have to die again...and she's not ready to make the sacrifice?

Maybe the answer is simpler than I'm making it out to be, but that part interested me. That's my question.

Posted by: citizen_cris at May 19, 2010 12:39 PM

WHEDONESQUE

Posted by: Christopher at May 19, 2010 12:41 PM

Also, thanks for the recaps Dan. They're the highlight of my day. I'm sure going to miss them.

Posted by: citizen_cris at May 19, 2010 12:41 PM

too late noooooo

Posted by: Christopher at May 19, 2010 12:42 PM

So much to say...

First of all, loved the episode. Once again I was completely blown away by Terry O'Quinn and his three different portrayals of one person, one as the believing Locke, one as MIB Locke, and one as doubting Locke in the sideways timeline. Brilliant.

On Richard - I don't think he's dead. The last we saw he couldn't be killed and I don't see what he's done since then that would have the island release him. He'll be back for the finale.

On the sideways timeline - This has fully grown on me. It pleases me so much to see the characters happy and successful. The opposite nature of this was driven home when Jacob directly pointed out the Jack/Sawyer/Kate/Hurley just how miserable they were in the pre-island lives. I still can't even imagine how the two timelines will meld, but I will be happy with the sideways one becoming permanent if that's what happens.

On the island pregnancy problems - I think Jacob telling Kate her name was crossed off because she became a mother is tied to this. I'm beginning to think we're not going to get a concrete answer about this but some brainstorming on all the hints and allusions we've been given so far could probably produce a satisfactory theory.

On island Ben - His old selfish motivations are going to win out it the end, and also be his ruin. His goal has always been to be supreme ruler of the island and MIB is using that as the carrot on the stick. Ben may struggle with feelings of good that gurgle up through him, but in the end he is evil Ben, created when his life was saved in the temple as a boy.

On Widmore - His island life may be over, but we still have much to learn about him in the sideways timeline. Eloise is fully aware of the existence of both and I'm sure Widmore is too. That story didn't die with him last night.

On the outrigger shots - In one of the recent articles with Darlton they specifically mentioned that this was something that would never be resolved. It just was. *shrug*

Cannot freaking wait for Sunday. Can we all cry together when it's done?

Posted by: katy at May 19, 2010 12:43 PM

Oh yeah, on the chosen Kwon - Has to be Jin because Sun became a mom and Kwon still wasn't crossed off. I too don't think it has anything to do with Ji Yeon. I would pass out in disbelief if the non-Ji Yeon believers are wrong about this.

Posted by: katy at May 19, 2010 12:46 PM

what Anna said.

Mr Carlson, you're a gentleman and a scholar.

Posted by: rg at May 19, 2010 12:50 PM

I'm pretty sure that Richard is dead. The way he insisted Locke wouldn't kill him and then the suspense filled walk through the yard, coupled with it being THE penultimate episode, leads me to believe that Richard, along with several other characters won't be getting Grand Exits, but will simply be dead.

Posted by: the_wakeful at May 19, 2010 12:56 PM

Weren't any selfish motivations for Ben rendered moot when Locke said he
wanted to destroy the island? Even if Ben was on Locke's side in order to
get the island to himself, knowing it was going to be destroyed would surely change his allegiance. And Ben always has a plan.

When Desmond starting pummeling Ben, I looked at Mr. Julien and said, "Remember last season when Ben was getting beaten up every 10 minutes?
Good times."

So does the sonic fence really work to stop the monster or was that just
part of its act?
If it does work, how and why is that possible?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 1:02 PM

I really like the idea of Ben turning his powers of manipulation on MIB. I would like it if Ben did shoot widmore in some attempt to keep MIB in the dark. If Widmore really did "see the error of his ways" as he suggested then it stands to reason that Widmore and Ben are on the same side now. Also, I think as others have suggested, that Ben wants to get back at MIB just as much as he would want to get back at Widmore. Ben could be returning to the conniving and manipulative person we know from seasons past but without being evil.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at May 19, 2010 1:03 PM

You know I liked Locke's line "It's nice to be able to talk without a fence between us." Until I realized it's MAJOR rehash of "Richard, it's nice to see you out of those chains."

In regards to Richard, we know he can't age, but is he (BUFFY WORDAGE ALERT) impervious too? I mean, I can't believe he's lived on the island that long with a polar bear trying to maul him or a wild boar trying to gore him. And there he is, nary a smudge in his guyliner. That's why I hope he's still alive. And, and, maybe Lapidus was able to activate his chest hair as a flotation device?! It looked quite buoyant.

Posted by: coveredinbees at May 19, 2010 1:06 PM

I may have missed this in the recap and comments, but one big reason Ben turned on Widmore was because Widmore's guy Keamy killed Ben's daughter Alex, in front of Ben no less. That's why the writers put in the scene where Miles felt Alex's dead presence at the compound and Ben hesitated, and why there was Ben breaking down in the sideways timeline when Rousseau mentioned how much of a father Ben had been.

Posted by: eddie walker at May 19, 2010 1:08 PM

Figgy, my darling, I'd rather all those people be dead and remembered in their original lives and contexts than be the watered down, happily ever after versions of themselves.

Once again DIE SIDEWAYS, DIE!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't force me to go into CAPS mode until the finale. No one will enjoy it.

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 1:09 PM

Yeah eddie walker that's OSTENSIBLY why Ben shot Widmore, but I still believe in the Redemption of Benjamin Linus and want him to have a more altruistic reason for his actions. A loooooooooooong con.

Posted by: coveredinbees at May 19, 2010 1:12 PM

I would also like to thank you Dan, for your great and timely recaps.

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 1:12 PM

Have we received any clarification on who it was that appeared to Kate as
Claire and to Jack as Christian when they were off island?

If Jacob did indeed confide in Widmore, doesn't it mean that Ben was as much
a fool, a wiser fool, as Locke. Ben and John Locke struggled to identify their
inner special snowflake and to date both have seemingly failed. Being smarter,
Ben has a plan.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 1:12 PM

Where the fuck is Vincent.

I'm getting sad about Sunday.

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 19, 2010 1:15 PM

Can someone please tell me what was up with that creepy witch sounding voice over that was on the preview for Sunday?

Posted by: photon42 at May 19, 2010 1:19 PM

I may have missed this in the recap and comments, but one big reason Ben turned on Widmore was because Widmore's guy Keamy killed Ben's daughter Alex, in front of Ben no less. That's why the writers put in the scene where Miles felt Alex's dead presence at the compound and Ben hesitated, and why there was Ben breaking down in the sideways timeline when Rousseau mentioned how much of a father Ben had been.

Posted by: eddie walker at May 19, 2010 1:08 PM

Absolutely, this was an important reason why Ben shot Widmore. Also, years of hatred built up to that point. But it's still a sign that the on-island Ben, who I thought turned a corner after his moment with Ilana, is really the same guy who stabbed Jacob and asked "What about me?"

Posted by: Coltrane at May 19, 2010 1:21 PM

...based on Desmond's actions, I'm coming to think that that won't be the case. Sideline will be more like...like a dream that they never had. It's heartbreaking to me, but it's fitting for the show.

I think it's more along the lines of this: Desmond's working to ensure that every Lostie remembers their time of the island and carries those memories, and connections, with them as they continue their lives in the Sideways. That's the happily ever after I envision.

Posted by: Kolby at May 19, 2010 1:29 PM

Who else thinks the exploded plane on the beach in the preview is the one they
were going to use to leave the island?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 1:46 PM

Kolby,
I haven't heard a scenario in which the Sideways timeline would be satisfactory as the remaining reality, but I could get down with the memories idea. Then they all get a second chance after the devastation wrought upon their lives by the island and get their "heaven" in a non-island existence.

Posted by: Kballs at May 19, 2010 1:48 PM

Comparing Lost with The Wire is irrelevant and completely unnecessary. I'm a fan of both shows and can recognize that they are completely different genres striving for completely different outcomes. There's no need to knock either show! chill out!

Posted by: valerie at May 19, 2010 1:48 PM

I kinda feel like we needed to have a Widmore episode. There's so many unanswered questions about the guy. I'd like to see when he first arrived on the Island (with Jughead, no less). Why did he get kicked out of the Others? Why did he send the freighter of mercenaries? How did he get back to the Island? Is there more to his relationship with Eloise Hawking?

Widmore seems to alternate between the Island's protector and the Island's destroyer. In this season, he's there as a protector, to fight MIB with Desmond as his failsafe. Yet in the past, he sent Keamy and his mercenaries to kill everybody, including presumably all of the candidates. Yet even further back, he had Abbadon suggest that John Locke take a trip to Australia.

To me, this is one of the biggest unanswered questions of the show. Why did Widmore do the things he did. And why does it seem inconsistent. I suppose he could have been conned by either Jacob or MIB all along.

Also, somebody refresh my memory. Did we see Jacob visit Widmore, as he mentioned?

Posted by: Ojo Verde at May 19, 2010 1:56 PM

Ojo - We did not see him visit Widmore.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 19, 2010 2:00 PM

Comparing LOST to The Wire is relevant because they're both scripted, serial dramas, each with particular scripting challenges. Both were great shows, but The Wire virtually got all of it right, all day every day. LOST has had lots of missteps...dropped plot threads, plot holes, superfluousness, etc.

Posted by: the new transported man at May 19, 2010 2:02 PM

Also Lapidus and Alpert are TOTALLY alive and working on their Hall and Oates cover band: Chest Hair and Guyliner.

Ha! I would totally go to that show.

I viewed Ben shooting Widmore as revenge for what happened to Alex. He may have been doing it so MIB didn't get information out of him as well, but Alex has always been his biggest weakness and I think it's directly related to losing her.

Also, with regard to the deaths, I follow Michael Ausiello for a lot of my tv news. He gets the total number of major events from finales before May sweeps and fills them in as they happen (it can be found here: http://ausiellofiles.ew.com/2010/04/20/may-sweeps-scorecard/). Sorry I don't actually know how to embed links. Anyway, he has Widmore and Zoe listed under deaths but not Richard. Not sure if it's 100% accurate (Lapidus is not listed anywhere on the deaths or possible deaths) but I tend to think MIB just wanted Richard out of the way so he could manipulate Ben.

Posted by: Even Stevens at May 19, 2010 2:05 PM

I hope Vincent jumps into the light and becomes a canine smoke monster. That would be cool.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 19, 2010 2:09 PM

Obvious question: if Ben's supposed incentive to help the Smoke Monster is that he will have the Island all to himself, isn't the deal off if the Smoke Monster's plan is now to destroy the Island? That last line of the episode would seem to put them immediately at odds. It puts the kibosh on Ben's con, if it's a con, and if it's not a con why would Ben continue to help him?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 19, 2010 2:14 PM

Comparing Lost to The Wire is totally pointless. The Wire is about a real city with real people (for the most part) facing REAL problems. Lost is about an island, time travel, alt universes, the garden of eden, etc...
It's perfectly ok to love them both for what they are. One is the closest TV has ever come to replicating classic literature, the other is the TV equivalent to a fun-but-cheesy sci-fi novel. (That's not entirely fair to Lost, Des-Penny is a classic love story) Still...

Posted by: Chaka KAHN! at May 19, 2010 2:15 PM

I hope Vincent jumps into the light and becomes a canine smoke monster. That would be cool.

I was secretly hoping for Vincent to step up and become the island's protector.

Posted by: Mez at May 19, 2010 2:17 PM

I agree with your theory kolby. Kinda like a Donnie Darkoesque ending.

Posted by: calamityjane at May 19, 2010 2:26 PM


Kolby: I would LOVE if that were the case. Because I think they need to remember everything that they did for each other. The problem would be that they'd remember every awful thing they did to other people...which would lead down the path of anger, resentment, revenge, etc. Unless they finally learn to live and let live, which would be the ultimate lesson here.

I'm with Ojo Verde that we needed a Widmore episode. I don't think we'll ever get one at this point, which is sad, because I think the guy is fascinating with his flipflopping and machinations and mystery.

DarthCorleone: I don't think Ben wants the Island at all at this point. He wants revenge on EVERYBODY, including MIB for his manipulations. I think MIB is (like everybody always has) greatly underestimating Ben and what he's capable of doing to get his way. I predict Ben being the one whole finally brings down MIB. That being said, I have no idea why he said that about destroying the Island in front of Ben. Was that a misstep on his part? Now Ben knows the promise was all bullshit and he's gonna want to destroy MIB even more.

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 2:28 PM

Well if Ben kills himself in order to stop the MIB, then I am fully on board. I love a martyr complex-far more than a God complex (heart you, Sawyer!).

Posted by: coveredinbees at May 19, 2010 2:33 PM

Isn't there a good chance that Smokey has successfully blown up the island, and that is part of the sideways reality (where the island is underwater as seen in the season premiere)?

Posted by: Coltrane at May 19, 2010 2:34 PM

figgy >> I agree that it was likely more of a con than a continued desire to rule the Island. My main point was simply that by stating an intent to destroy the Island, it's impossible for either of them to credibly continue with either a con or a deal.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 19, 2010 2:38 PM

Each of them already knows the other is full of shit - MIB and Ben.

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 2:42 PM

hehe. Vincent as the new smoke monster. Imagine a 30ft long nebulous black cloud constantly sniffing your butt and humping your leg. Easy to deal with, though. Just pretend to throw a stick in the ocean.

Posted by: logar at May 19, 2010 2:51 PM

I don't know...I keep thinking that MIB put his foot in his mouth by saying he would destroy the Island, without remembering his promise to Ben. I don't think Ben CARES about ruling the Island anymore. I expected to see an evil glint in his eye meaning "aha you fucker, you don't even realize you just fucked up". But now I'm sure Ben's all out to get him somehow.

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 3:00 PM

So I'm running a little LOST prediction pool for my office. I have grids for who lives and who dies (1 point apiece), who goes and who stays, and a few other more open-ended questions. Do any of you have any question ideas?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 19, 2010 3:01 PM

Everyone dies. How much do I win? Hee!

Well, one obvious question could be whether or not Ben is pulling a long con on MIB...

Another could be about who David's mother is...

Who will Kate end up with in the Sideways?...

Will Jack remain on the island for all eternity?...

Posted by: Kolby at May 19, 2010 3:15 PM

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALT!!!!!!!!

VINCEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEENT????????????

Posted by: dammitjanet at May 19, 2010 3:19 PM

We never find out about the numbers so that's one question answered.

Posted by: Matt at May 19, 2010 3:20 PM

Darth, these are my five from last week - only number 4 has been answered since then.

1. What is the island. Is it a manifestation of the balance of good and evil, meant to keep the rest of the world in balance? Is it a station between life and death? Part of the physical world or not? How did the island come to be what it is?

2. Who was the first being to understand what the island was and how did that being come to understand that it needed to be protected?

3. How was the island able to time-skip and how was the exit to Tunisia (which also involved time) created?

4. Was there a specific reason the people who were touched by Jacob chosen and if so what was the reason?

5. What affect has Desmond had in the sideways and is he time-traveling there?

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 3:20 PM

We never find out about the numbers so that's one question answered.

Yes we did. It was as simple as the numbers representing the candidates.

Cindy, I thought Jacob explained what the island is in Ab Aeterno. Oui?

Posted by: Kolby at May 19, 2010 3:26 PM

I not-so-secretly hope that the finale is super-disappointing so I can told-you-so all over my friends who bought this directionless garbage five years ago.

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at May 19, 2010 3:28 PM

And scrolling up I find that some of you clowns are now comparing this mess to The Wire!?

/end trolling

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at May 19, 2010 3:30 PM

I’m poking in here to whine. I haven’t seen this episode yet, even though I waited until 2am for it to be posted (damn you Hulu!). And now I’m falling asleep at work. And I have marathon training in an hour. And today is my wedding anniversary and my husband wants to go out to dinner. And you know, I wouldn’t complain about that if it wasn’t for this episode waiting for me. So I’m sitting here thinking:

Mmmm margaritas …
…but LOST!...
…wait, Cabo Wabo margaritas...
…but, but…LOST!!!

This is a problem. I cannot believe I’m actually rethinking booze. This show; it’s turned me into a freak.

Posted by: Scully at May 19, 2010 3:31 PM

Kolby -

Apologies. I was answering Daniel's question, "Where did the numbers come from?"

Posted by: Matt at May 19, 2010 3:32 PM

what dammitjanet said.

so is lost airing at the same time for everyone in the country? it's on at 7 here.

we need a live chat or something. so we can drink and cry and hug, and then if someone takes off their pants, that's ok too, and don't be shy, we're all just people, just unbutton your pants a little... let's see how smoky it is down there.

wait a second, WHO JUST LICKED ME?!

oh, it's vincent! look guys, it's vincent!

::hands on hips:: Vincent! You can't lick me there!

wah
waaaah
WAAAAAAAAH.

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 19, 2010 3:35 PM

If the explanation that the light on the island is part of the light in all men is to be believed, then the sinking of the island via the bomb would be a negative act. Since the Sideways timeline (hereafter STL) is a direct result of the bomb, I would extrapolate that to mean that the STL is also negative.

So despite the fact that almost all of the Losties have better lives in the STL, I think that's a red herring hiding a greater evil in the world. Maybe the Losties are the only thing keeping the STL intact, and Desmond is gathering all the ones still alive in both timelines in one place to end/kill them (not sure how; see below). The STL would also end, insuring that the Island timeline, wherein the Enemy is still trapped on the island, is the only one extant.

Going further down this rabbit hole: so the concert that Desmond is taking Kate to, that Jack and his son (and the mysterious mother) will attend, that Miles and probably Sawyer will also attend, is at a museum. Pierre Chang's (or whatever his name is in this timeline) museum. So what if, just WHAT IF, the exhibit being revealed on that particular night is of Egyptian origins? Maybe something about a certain jackal headed fertility god? And what if Smokey's essence got trapped somehow (when the bomb exploded) in some piece they're unveiling, and he/it is loosed when they open the display? Maybe having the surviving candidates in the STL in the same room as the newly unleashed Smokey would both stop him and negate the timeline. I have no idea how any of that would work. I'm just speculating here.

Posted by: JustBill at May 19, 2010 3:39 PM

Just jotting down ideas before I read the comments. I just watched the ep. It still frustrates me how they take so long to get to things. Jacob says 'I only have until this fire burns out.' Oh so yes let's all sit around awkwardly looking at each other in silence for a bit. Get the fuck on with it! Ask your questions! If ever there was a moment not to be shy it's this one. Also, are we to assume Jacob has filled Jack in off camera about some stuff? Cos it'd probably be helpful for the guardian to know what the light is, to better protect it, and how to pass on guardianship in case he's not successful. Etc etc.

I'd kinda like to see Hurley as the guardian, just so it's not so obvious, and because he said he was glad it wasn't him.

I'd also like to see Widmore not being dead, and that he and Ben had come up with some ridiculous plan, again off screen, to totally trap the MIB. Probably won't happen but at this point I'll guess anything.

And now as usual I shall go back and read the rest.

Posted by: Carrie at May 19, 2010 3:48 PM

Oh and I am all sorts of miffed that I managed to book a holiday when the Lost finale is on. So a) I won't be able to see it when everyone else does and b) It means I miss out on the discussion here. I'm assuming there'll be a recap 'OMGWTF' post when it's done. I'll be sure to come visit when the comments are at over a thousand.

Oh yes, everyone feel sorry for poor me going on a lovely holiday. Sniff.

Posted by: Carrie at May 19, 2010 3:59 PM

Also, are we to assume Jacob has filled Jack in off camera about some stuff?

I kind of assumed that drinking the magic water/wine had an affect; when he said, "Now you're like me", just like when Mother said it, I kind of thought there was some sort of Awakening, or sudden understanding. Jack had a somewhat intense look after he sipped. Probably not going for fruit from the Tree of Knowledge, but you get the idea.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 19, 2010 4:01 PM

Oh, that would make sense I suppose. And keep us from knowing everything, as usual. Er...that makes me sound bitter about it. Promise I'm not!

Why oh why won't the comment thing remember who I am today?

Posted by: Carrie at May 19, 2010 4:08 PM

I'm so excited about the LAX timeline concert. I can only hope it ends in a final LOST dance party in which every one ends up with their respective loved ones and BFF's just like every teen movie ever.

Posted by: kelsy at May 19, 2010 4:10 PM

After last night's episode, my husband turned and looked at me with all seriousness and said:

"You know, when we finally get to see the light in the center of the island, it's probably just going to be a plaque that reads "Be sure to drink your Ovaltine."

At this point, that makes just about as much sense as anything else.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at May 19, 2010 4:22 PM

Darth: Ben dies, I'm sure of it. The others...I don't know. I'd love to see Kate die but I don't think I'll be so lucky-- even though she was BLEEDING HALF TO DEATH 5 minutes before she started waltzing about again.

I'll bet you anything that Juliet is David's mom. There's no one left, is there? All the women have shown up, unless we're getting like, Shannon or something.

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 4:26 PM

Was anything passed to Jack when Jacob said whatever he said while giving Jack the drink? Like did all the island knowledge go zooming into Jack at that moment? Just a symbolic torch passing? Jack looked a little freaky right after.

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 4:36 PM

Question: I have the following characters as the only remaining major players left on the Island. Did I miss anyone?

Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Ben, Smoke Monster/MIB, Desmond, Miles, and Claire.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 19, 2010 4:37 PM

Ah, so many comments on these threads to get through!


I liked the episode. It at least made some effort to provide explanations for some of the things that are happening. Ben has always been a but of a sociopath but now I think he is completely snapped (or possibly pulling the greatest con in the history of the island, as some propose). Either way I can buy that after all he has been through he is now in full on "fuck it" mode.

Ojo Verde made a great point that this series is sorely lacking (and will likely never get) a Charles Widmore episode. I'm holding out hope that they will still make time to shed some light on Charles and Eloise because they have a lot of explaining to do regarding the role of these characters. Penny, too, for that matter (how much did she know? Why was she looking for Desmond?) and Daniel Faraday, too, while they are at it.

If Jacob talked to Widmore then we need to know what that was all about. If Widmore was aligned with Jacob, does that mean that Ben was being manipulated by MIB all along, or was he truly doing the bidding of Jacob when he was leading the others with Richard. Who was giving him lists of names and encouraging him to play kidnapper? Why did he get cancer when others were cured? Come to think of it- did the island restore Locke's ability to walk or was that Jacob? Or was that MIB?

I love the Jacob scenes because it they always offer some new insight to how things work. I was surprised Jack took the job so quickly, without any discussion with the other candidates. I still remain unconvinced he will keep the job... it almost seems too predictable (then again, maybe it is time to wrap it up and get everyone in place, no more time for fake-outs and red herrings).

Just lines on a wall, Kate? Just lines on a wall?!? Another ballsy move by the writers to pen an offhand remark like that and take the wind out of gigabytes of internet geek speculation. I still think that we need to know more about the candidates and their selection. Did Jacob just keep an eye on all 6 Billion of us until he found a dozen or so that looked promising?

The numbers are clearly just an arbitrary device to advance the plot. If you are a cynic, they are a ploy from the writers to manipulate the story. If you are a faithful LOST fan they are a tool used by Jacob to exert influence and draw the candidates in (especially Hurley). They were fun, but there is never going to be a full & satisfying explanation regarding their significance.

I find that I can't tell what Locke knows and what he doesn't. Sometimes he seems borderline omniscient, other times he doesn't know who owns that boat parked out front. I'm always surprised when he has to ask a question- don't you already know everything about everything?

Same for Jacob. Is he omniscient or what? How does he know to touch people who will all be on the same plane? Is Jacob manipulating them? Is fate pulling the strings? How doe these incredible coincidences happen and how do these characters seem to know about them in advance enough to rely on them happening. Did Jacob know the plane was going to crash? I thought it was because Desmond didn't push the button. Did Jacob know he wasn't going to push the button?

See, now my head hurts. And I'll be damned if I'm going to watch all 100+ episodes again. Someone better publish The Complete Guide to LOST so I can read up on this stuff.

Posted by: Yossarian at May 19, 2010 4:38 PM

I thought Jacob explained what the island is in Ab Aeterno.

What, that it's a cork? Or it keeps evil from the rest of the world? I mean a real explanation. Is it a real place in the physical world? Between life and death? Does it exist in Lady Liberty's torch? I mean come one, I want the real deal. Heaven, hell, purgatory, Atlantis...

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 4:40 PM

Carrie, I'm definitely with you on the aspect of them sitting around the fire with Jacob. We only have until this fire burns out to understand the protection of the island? Someone go find some damn logs!

I was just thinking about Jacob saying that he took all of them precisely because they were alone and not attached really to anyone. But as I recall, he touched Kate when she was just a girl, correct? So did his selection somehow determine her path of destruction? Or did he just already know how things would turn out?

And I forgot to mention, I really liked the "It's just a line of chalk on a wall, Kate" line from Jacob. It seemed like a pretty tongue-in-cheek reference to the rabid fan analysis of the candidates and what the cave meant. The more I think about this ep, the more I like it.

Posted by: Even Stevens at May 19, 2010 4:47 PM

I liked Lost better when it was mysterious and I didn't know about all this mystical mumbo jumbo crap about protecting the island or whatever... at least it's almost over, then I can stop thinking about it.

All I really want is for Desmond and Penny to be reunited and I'd like for Miles to get out alive. He's still my fave. And I guess I have a soft spot for Sawyer and Hurley, too.

Posted by: Slash at May 19, 2010 4:49 PM

Cindy, Cindy, Cindy...there are some things that we're just not meant to understand....HEE HEE!

Posted by: Kolby at May 19, 2010 4:54 PM

I really would like to see the brothers forgive each other somehow. I would like to see resolution to their story...it was one of the saddest aspects of the entire Lost story/myth (based mostly on last week's episode). Still really stuck on last week's episode and on MIB/Esau/that awesome actor in particular. I was totally on the side of the kid wanting to get off the island.

But...
I think Jack is going to get his neck sliced by SLocke's knife. How that will be done, I don't know. Maybe by Ben. SLocke knifed Widmore just as Ben shot him; he cleaned his knife as he looked at Ben. Although why on Earth the fact that Desmond was a failsafe had to be kept secret from Ben was wierd. Why wouldn't Widmore want Ben to know that since he was telling smokey anyway? Odd...

Maybe someone will kill SLocke inadvertantly, before he speaks to them.

Why so important to get everyone together at the concert? (Though will Locke be there? or Dr. Linus?). Can't figure that out...I'm wondering if somehow another transportation will occur and/or something to offset SLock sinking the island.

I have no clue...

Posted by: d at May 19, 2010 5:36 PM

JustBill, I would like to subscribe to your newsletter. That negative theory made my head hurt, but it also made sense.

Posted by: Amanda at May 19, 2010 5:42 PM

I think the sideways timeline is the fail safe. Desmond was "hidden" in the other timeline and now is being brought out to do what the castaways are going to fail to do on the island: stop the MIB. By getting as many of them together at the concert as he can he'll somehow reconcile the timelines. I don't think the others will have any idea what is going on, but Desmond will somehow trap the MIB.

Also, even if that works, I'm pretty sure Jack is dead. If the island stays intact Hurley will be the protector. Only those with a death wish volunteer for shit on that island.

And I'm thinking Richard is dead. People are dying rapidly and casually at this point, I saw nothing to think he survived that hit. Richard's purpose on the island has been completed.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 19, 2010 5:55 PM

OMG I just realized we'll probably see Boone and Shannon at the concert. AND since I am thoroughly obsessed with Ian Somerhalder right now thanks to A CERTAIN SOMEONE who shall remain unnamed *COUGH*KOLBY*COUGH*, I just got REALLY REALLY HAPPY IN MY PANTS.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 19, 2010 6:13 PM

mmmm Ian Somerhalder. Is it just me or has he gotten so much hotter with age?

Posted by: Even Stevens at May 19, 2010 6:46 PM

I'm wondering if we'll see Boone or Juliet or Charlie, considering they have their own (in some cases dying) shows going on too...

Darth: how about Richard? I hope so, anyway. Getting whacked into the distance is no worthy death for him.

Posted by: figgy at May 19, 2010 7:13 PM

I liked Lost better when it was mysterious and I didn't know about all this mystical mumbo jumbo crap about protecting the island or whatever... at least it's almost over, then I can stop thinking about it.

All I really want is for Desmond and Penny to be reunited and I'd like for Miles to get out alive. He's still my fave. And I guess I have a soft spot for Sawyer and Hurley, too.

You and I are nearly twins, Slash. I absolutley loved this show the first year, but it has barely kept my attention this year. I have actually forgotten that it’s on some weeks, it has fallen so far down in my favor. I fully expected Jack to be the new Jacob, and it’s lame. So the world loses an excellent surgeon to do something that Sawyer (who frankly would be better suited) should have stepped up to do. Meh.

I will be watching the finale while schnockered in a huge bar that is hosting a viewing party. I’m sure that will help up the enjoyment factor. That and Penny & Desmond’s happy ending – there better be a happy ending for those two! That’s really the only thing I care about at this point…thanks to The Constant which is my pick for the best Lost episode ever.

Posted by: Groovy Violet at May 19, 2010 7:58 PM

No, no, no Kolby - it's the numbers that don't have to be answered.

Posted by: Cindy at May 19, 2010 8:19 PM

Is it just me or has he gotten so much hotter with age?

Not you. So, SO much HOTTER. oh, boy. I'ma need some alone time.....

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 19, 2010 10:17 PM

I just want to know the full origins of the Others and Dharma.

How did Jacob team up with the Others? What does Sun's father have to do with Dharma? What exactly were their findings during the experiments with the bears and the Others' experiments with the kids? I feel like all that Dharma and Others stuff never came full circle. It's as if they abandoned that for all this MIB/Jacob stuff.

I want to know more about Jacob's cabin too. If Jacob lived in that statue, then what's the point of the cabin. Oh wait -- was that MIB's cabin? I'm kind of confused on that.

WALT!?

I know I'm not going to get the answers to those, though.

Posted by: kayla at May 19, 2010 10:39 PM

Best comment so far, hands down, is that the light will be a sign that reads "Dont Forget To Drink Your Ovaltine!" I literally almost spit up the beer I was sipping. Tell your husband that He. Is. Awesome. Made my night, that did.

Posted by: Eric at May 19, 2010 10:53 PM

The band at the museum on Sunday just might be Driveshaft! What then?!

Posted by: Obst N. Gemuse at May 19, 2010 11:15 PM

OMG BEEZ! too funny!

Ovaltine! has my vote for best comment :)


Posted by: kikz at May 20, 2010 9:29 AM

I'm sure no one is going to read this but I had no time whatsoever to comment yesterday.

Someone asked about why women lose their babies/die in childbirth on the island. I think it has to do with the electromagnetic force of the island somehow and specifically the force that was released during the Incident that then had to be contained through the Hatch.

Overall I am satisfied with this episode as I feel like things are really starting to piece together. I don't think it's been LOST's best season of the series but I am confident that the end will be quite satisfactory, if not mindblowing.

I'm also now very interested in the alt timeline as it feels like there is momentum building and we're definitely going to see the two realities collide in some big way. I like Kolby's theory about how the alt timeline prevails but the Losties are cognizant of what their lives were like before to make them appreciative of where they are now and what they've learned.

Posted by: prairiegirl at May 20, 2010 10:19 AM

Question: I have the following characters as the only remaining major players left on the Island. Did I miss anyone?

Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Hurley, Ben, Smoke Monster/MIB, Desmond, Miles, and Claire.

And Richard and Lapidus who are alive, I tell you. ALIVE.

Posted by: coveredinbees at May 20, 2010 12:21 PM

I've been thinking a lot about the alternate timeline and the role it plays. I
think it was Eloise Hawking who talked about life course correcting.
Something, the bomb blast or another event that is actually referred to
as The Incident?, threw everyone off course and into the sideways timeline; Desmond's role is to bring everyone back to where they were meant to
be by triggering their memories of the life they were meant to lead. If
everyone remains in the alternate timeline unknowingly, then the island
was pointless. If everyone ends up in alternate timeline knowingly, then
the island was pointless. Pointless because it would render everything
they went through moot and their character progression irrelevant to the
lives they now find themselves in.

One of my many, many previous theories was that some people would
remain in one timeline and some people in the other, but if the alternate
timeline is the wrong one, I doubt anyone will get to remain. I liked the idea
of the alternate timeline being a reward for island conduct, but instead it
seems to represent what happens when the characters use their free will differently. Many of their paths remain similar, or prone to fate, but small
changes have had a huge impact; Sawyer is still involved with the law, just on another side; Locke is in a wheelchair and his arrival there still involved his
father; and all the other stuff everyone knows. Following this theory to its end, doesn’t it seem likely that everyone who dies in one timeline will die in the
other? This bodes ill for many people, but maybe part of the course correction
can steer people a new way. Will Hurley get to stay with Libby in some way? Please? Can she be “moved” with him? Even Desmond can't be two places at
once. He moves through time but in The Constant, his physical body remained static when his consciousness left. If he is able to bring both sides of the group’s consciousness together, then wouldn't they have to remain in one world or the other?

In keeping with subsuming the alternate timeline, could the island’s presence
on the bottom of the ocean also be rectified, it is restored to its proper, constantly-moving place and move forward with Jack on it. And with Hurley around because no one this show gets to say, “I’m just glad it wasn’t me”
without getting chomped in the ass by their words.

Mr. Julien believes that the Monster will find a way to cross timelines and
be unleashed on the alternate reality in a fairly Armageddonalicious way.
This will make the group realise that they have to deal with him in the
original timeline and thus destroy the alternate one.

Richard is alive, if only because giving a death scene to an immortal is
a rare opportunity for the writers. Lapidus was supposed to die in the
original plane crash and I think his course has corrected itself and he
is gone. Just like Jin and Sun had redeemed their love, their story was done
and they moved on as well. I don’t think there is any configuration
where Sayid gets out alive. Not one.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 20, 2010 2:17 PM

I only started reading this site and comments a few episodes ago, so forgive me if this has already been discussed. I've been thinking that the LA timeline has all the characters where they would be if Jacob (or the island, or whatever) had never interfered with their lives. That Jacob's visits to them and others shaped the lonely, "broken" people they became in the original timeline and allowed Jacob to pick them as candidates.

FWIW, I also believe that brother really is dead, and that only the dark parts of his soul remain in smokey. And that the writers will at least give Hurley and Libby a happy ending (please?).

Posted by: Banana at May 20, 2010 8:35 PM

Was the whole thing about pregnancies, to stop people on the island from not being able to be candidates?
does that make sense?


Anyway, can't wait for the finale, although I will be sad.

Posted by: yani at May 20, 2010 11:44 PM

Late to the party (as always) with a list of my questions:

1. What is the island? And I require a further explanation than a “cork that holds in evil”. I’d like to know what it is, how it moves, where it came from, how it was made or how it developed, etc, etc.

2. What is the magic white light and the other pockets of energy? Their history their purpose, their interference with the island’s population (is this what causes the “sickness”, is this what causes trouble with pregnancies?)

3. What are the numbers? I know that it’s supposed to be some formula to calculate the end of human kind or somesuch. This needs to be addressed on the show, not in a game or some other bonus material. I want to know why the numbers pop up everywhere. I want to know why they were written on the hatch. I want to know why they were broadcasted from the radio tower. I want to know why they are so powerful.

There ya go. I’m not even asking for 5 questions to be answered. Just these 3. If these are addressed, I’ll be a happy fan.

Posted by: Scully at May 21, 2010 12:28 PM

I just had a bizzare theory materialize...

What if David's mom is Penny?

Everyone goes to this concert, and Desmond is just about to release the krakken, when suddenly he sees Penny looking happy with little David, and maybe looking wistfully at Jack or something, and Des decides that loving her means not blowing everything to hell.

Banana, I love that idea. I'm going to think on that until Sunday night...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 21, 2010 3:45 PM

Hey guys! Mr. Julien just pointed out that Jacob didn't take Jack to the Source/Light to perform the ritual drinking because maybe it has been dimmed or put out; likewise, the donkey wheel was FROZEN when Ben went to turn it. Did Brother's transformation into Smokey freeze the light/water that is the Source? If the light is gone then maybe that is why women can't have babies. Is The Source dying or frozen and Jack et al have to restore it and re-juvenate/rebalance the island.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 21, 2010 8:46 PM

@Patty o'green: if Penny turns out to be Jack's ex I'll DIE and then murder Darlton. Grrr. That'll be like the anti-The Constant.
Btw, do we have two benefit concerts now? Eloise's and the one at the museum? I'm a bit unclear on that.

Maybe Desmond's task was to bring everybody in contact with their Constant, to trigger the memories.
Then again, that would make Ben and Locke's Constant pain, which is rather depressing. Still, I hope they're going to do more with the Constants in the little time they have left!

Maybe women can't catty a pregnancy to term (Sun got pregnant on-island; Claire gave birth) because of some weird Jacob/MiB related curse? Maybe Mother is trying to stop thing from beyond the grave.
Or maybe we're just to assume it's electromagnetism and it's never brought up again.

I just hope Ben either lives or goes out in a blaze of glory. I LOVED him in this episode, it made me realise how much I'd missed badass Ben. If he dies I want him to get a happy sideways ending - Danielle totally seemed like she wanted to get in his pants, Alex seemed entirely ok with that, and Ben was mostly confused and a bit scared, which is my favourite Ben when he's not being bad-ass. Him getting beat up WAS strangely nostalgic.

And now I got an eternally long wait ahead of me: Dutch broadcasting schedule is a few days behind the American, to get the subtitles inand everything, so the final episode won't be shown here until next Friday!!
Basically, I'm going to have to stay offline from next Sunday until then...

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