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How Is It Possible That The Help Is Viola Davis' First Leading Role?

By Rob Payne | Posted Under Videos | Comments (35)



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Newsweek really asks the brave questions, don’t they?

First it was “Why are Obama’s critics so dumb?” (Which is actually worth a read despite the unfortunate cover.) And now during the magazine’s annual Oscar Roundtable, writer Ramin Setoodeh (next to longtime film critic David Ansen) asks Viola Davis, a black actress who has worked in Hollywood for 16 years, why she’s never had a leading role in a major motion picture before 2011’s The Help ? That movie, as we know, asked the equally brave question, How can we possibly get beyond racism if good, rich white people do nothing?

Setoodeh should look far more embarassed than he does for incredulously asking a question with such a blatantly obvious answer. Not that the question itself, in the grand scheme of Hollywood films and the industry’s history, isn’t fair game and in need of being asked (continuously until it no longer needs to be asked), but he just comes off as clueless here. Of course, so does Charlize Theron, who joined Davis on a panel that included George Clooney, Tilda SWINTON(!), Michael Fasschlongbender, and Christopher Plummer. Theron interrupts Davis’ initial attempt to discuss the issue of race and gender in studio products, and this exchange follows:

Davis: “There just aren’t a lot of roles for — I mean, I’m a 46-year-old black actress who doesn’t look like Halle Berry — and Halle Berry is having a hard time. You know there’s not a lot of leading roles.”
Theron: “I’m going to have to stop you there for a second.”
Davis: “Why, you think I look like Halle Berry?”
Theron: “No. You have to stop saying that because you are hot as shit. You look amazing.”

In spite of both her interviewer and one of her interlocutors missing the point entirely, Davis is a professional and eventually answers with that obvious answer: “[T]here’s just not a lot of roles for women who look like me.” And that cuts both ways, as a woman and as an African American, she’s completely off the board when it comes to reaching my demographic of 15-35 year-old white males. According to studio executives, anyway. (Note to them: I didn’t see The Help because it looked like shit, and that’s in spite of having Emma Stone with a southern accent, and everything I read about it after its release confirmed that, but I’ve enjoyed Davis’ work since Out of Sight, so get your heads out of your collective asses, thank you.)

In the video below, the exchange occurs within the first minute, followed by some batting around of the names of since-faded starlets who lit up the screen before there was a Roles for Women Problem in the movies, and then Clooney pretty much takes over the conversation, laying it all out for people to understand, even as apparently dense as Setoodeh and Theron.

(via The Dish)


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Comments

And the sad part is it's for playing a maid.

Posted by: John W at January 27, 2012 10:09 AM

The problem is, there will never be a tactful way to say, "I'm not muttaloish enough for the people of Slovenia to spend money on."

Posted by: Devil Child at January 27, 2012 10:16 AM

I think she should have answered with "Bitch, do I look like Will Smith?"

Posted by: admin at January 27, 2012 10:21 AM

I respect Clooney and Fassbender for tackling that as honestly as they did, but I have to admit to some frustration with them at the same time. They basically hijacked the entire conversation - which was specifically tailored for Davis - and took it over completely and made them more about them.

It would have been far more interesting had they allowed her to continue, because she was really the one being the most honest there.

Posted by: The Other Agent Johnson at January 27, 2012 10:40 AM

Maybe Newsweek meant to ask why The Help was Yvette Nicole Brown's first leading role.

Posted by: csb at January 27, 2012 11:00 AM

I love Viola Davis. She is a scene stealer. But after hearing the roundtable, I looked at her imdb and I think... maybe the question I was not a simplistic "Hey, did you know Hollywood has a race problem?" but more about the her involvement in independent movies (she hasn't done many) or what has changed in the industry in the last 10 years. She was in Magnolia's The Architect (2006) [as Tonya Neely, an activist challenging LaPaligia's design of subsidized housing-- which seems like a lead]... and small parts in Far From Heaven (2002) [as Sybil, the maid] and Antwone Fisher (2002) [as Eva May, Fisher's birth mother]. She has done a lot of TV projects and small roles in bigger films, but there hasn't been smaller films.

Is this because she prefers theater or is she not being offered/developed independent films? Were there some close misses? I think her career may be a good picture of the problem that mid-level budget films are simply not being made, but I haven't heard her speak about that change. Have there been Monster/In the Valley of Elah/Burning Plain/Sleepwalking or War Zone/The Deep End/Julia/I am Love/We Need to Talk About Kevin sort of projects available to Davis, or are those role only available for white actresses? It does seem telling that Theron and Swinton both seem to develop their own content.

Either way I am hopeful to see more of Viola Davis.

Posted by: Hattie at January 27, 2012 11:15 AM

I am going to ask the dumb question -- Why is the preferred demo 18-35 y.o. white males? I think I remember reading somewhere that women make the majority of movie purchases, and I feel like younger folks aren't hitting the theaters as much anymore. Do they really deliver the most revenue? Is it more of a social thing?

Posted by: Donut Plains at January 27, 2012 11:43 AM

I'd make Hey Hey in the Hayloft Clooney any time. He caused my Ants in the Pants of 33. Now that I'm 44 he probably wouldn't look at me twice. Sa-WOON! Nonetheless. SWOON!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 27, 2012 11:43 AM

I watched that vid a few days ago and was really struck my her intelligence. Her eloquence is in stark contrast to Charlize Theron's mutters and even Cloony's kind of self indulgent bad language.

Posted by: snapnhiss at January 27, 2012 12:44 PM

Hey now, she also got an Oscar nomination for her phenomenal performance in Doubt a few years back. One scene, and she stole the movie from Philip Seymour Hoffman and Meryl fucking Streep.

Posted by: deitybox at January 27, 2012 12:50 PM

One scene, and she stole the movie from Philip Seymour Hoffman and Meryl fucking Streep...

until this scene happened -

Sister Aloysius Beauvier: I will step outside the church if that's what needs to be done, till the door should shut behind me! I will do what needs to be done, though I'm damned to Hell! You should understand that, or you will mistake me.

I get chills every time. Sometimes I cry. You light that candle against the darkness, Sister. YOU LIGHT THE WHOLE WORLD ON FIRE!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 27, 2012 12:59 PM

The first time I ever saw her in anything was in the second episode of "Law & Order D'Onofrio Version" and I took note. She was fantastic. Now every time I see her we refer to her as Terry the School Cop.

Posted by: krix at January 27, 2012 1:02 PM

Say what you will about Charlize Theron but I appreciate that she's having fun with all her interviews this year and, childish as it came off, I think it's great that she wouldn't let Viola put herself down like that.

Posted by: valerie at January 27, 2012 1:48 PM

I am going to ask the dumb question -- Why is the preferred demo 18-35 y.o. white males? I think I remember reading somewhere that women make the majority of movie purchases, and I feel like younger folks aren't hitting the theaters as much anymore. Do they really deliver the most revenue? Is it more of a social thing?

Movie executives/heads of studio/people with power in the movie business tend to be white males, wishing they were 18-35 years old, so they tend to favor those kinds of movies. The bigger problem is getting people to take the reins who understand that there are OTHER kinds of people in the world.

Posted by: eeeeeeee at January 27, 2012 1:54 PM

Valerie, the problem isn't that she's putting herself down-- Viola was addressing the institutional idea that women with her skin color and body type and personality do not get lead roles written for them. Charlize swooped in and missed that point entirely, and effectively ignored the sociological tone that Viola was trying to set to say "but you are pretty, it's okay," as if "being pretty" is the ultimate goal.

This whole interview is a pretty classic example of White People (especially White Men) speaking over the people who are actually experiencing a situation.

Ugh.

Posted by: That Girl at January 27, 2012 2:13 PM

What That Girl said, exactly. I don't think Davis was putting herself down at all - I think she's actually quite happy with herself and comes off as very self-confident. But Theron (and Clooney) jumped in and felt like they had to save the day and show how egalitarian they are.

Posted by: The Other Agent Johnson at January 27, 2012 2:54 PM

@That Girl and The Other Agent Johnson: Apparently Clooney and Fassbender took The Help's message to heart, huh? That's a good point, though, as I really wanted to hear what Davis actually had to say on the subject at length.

Setoodeh should have asked: "Viola, can you speak to the fact that, even though you've been in the industry for nearly two decades, your first leading role was in The Help, where even then you played a servant to white folk?" But I think he actually thought he was asking a lighthearted, unloaded question about how such a talented performer could have been missed for so long. Too bad. Maybe this is why nobody reads Newsweek, anymore?

Posted by: RobP at January 27, 2012 3:10 PM

Oh, and as for the demographic issue... I honestly don't know the answer to that. The only things that springs to mind are that the thinking has been ingrained into the studio culture for so long it's become "accepted wisdom," or there's some real underlying racial issues that only "18-35 year-old white males" have/spend money.

Either way, Hollywood isn't nearly as "liberal" as some would like to believe.

Posted by: RobP at January 27, 2012 3:15 PM

Why? Silly question...she's black and non-blacks don't want to see blacks in lead roles except Will Smith and Denzel

Why are Will Smith and Denzel basically the only black males who get leading roles? they're also black but apparently Hollywood can only have a handful of black lead actors. Early this week someone on Pajiba asked why Anthony Mackie isn't a leading man? He's black

Why are Will Smith and Denzel never in the cash cow romantic roles that every other lead actor in Hollywood is in every few films? They're black.

Non-blacks will not watch a movie with two blacks as the romantic leads. Heck they had to change the lead acrtress in Hitch from white to hispanic so it wouldn't hurt the film like it did Figgis' One Night Stand

Viola Davis will only shine brightly in the future in supporting roles. Why? She's black

Posted by: Whipple "Whip" Hoxworth at January 27, 2012 3:30 PM

Ok - there are so parts for middle-aged black women - maybe not as many as for other parts, but there are parts. (maybe Angela Bassett took them all).

Why can't she just say: "I'm a character actor". Ain't no shame. Has she wanted lead parts? or pursued them?

Some star character actors get lead roles...but most do not. Or, as someone above pointed out, they get leads in independent films.

Posted by: Sara Tonin at January 27, 2012 3:38 PM

I find it interesting that there was an assumption that Davis put herself down when she said she doesn't look like Halle Berry. The issue isn't that she's not pretty, it's that there's a very narrow beauty ideal. Just goes to show that most people DO think Halle Berry = hot and not Halle Berry = unattractive.

RobP - tell it, yo.

Posted by: jzhz at January 27, 2012 4:09 PM

The Other Agent Johnson nails this. Why can't Davis summarize and answer this for her bad self without some big deal movie star jumping in and putting it "in his words?" I watched this clip and simmered as it became about anyone BUT Davis.

It appears she cannot have a starring role even in a question ABOUT HER.

What a pisser.

Posted by: klingonfree at January 27, 2012 4:15 PM

Exactly! A white woman jumped in to correct her and then 2 white guys took over the conversation, and they really did mean well. Point taken.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at January 27, 2012 4:48 PM

I am going to ask the dumb question -- Why is the preferred demo 18-35 y.o. white males? I think I remember reading somewhere that women make the majority of movie purchases, and I feel like younger folks aren't hitting the theaters as much anymore. Do they really deliver the most revenue? Is it more of a social thing?

I think that 18-35 year old white males are the ones who are most likely to attend on the opening weekend, and for the number-crunchers the opening weekend figures are crucial.

Posted by: Azara at January 27, 2012 5:09 PM

Here is the point: .

Here is Sara Tonin, blithely zipping past, nowhere near it: "...wheee!"

Arguing that there are character roles available in no way addresses the fact that there are not many LEAD ROLES available for a 46-year-old black woman. Which was kind of the entire point. That you missed. ("...wheee!")

Posted by: Craig at January 27, 2012 5:11 PM

Brava to Clooney for defining "whitesplain" and "mansplain" all at once. As loaded (and occasionally misused and annoying) as those terms can be, they pretty succinctly describe what happened here.

Posted by: Amanda6 at January 27, 2012 5:49 PM

My answer to the demographic question is a broad-sweeping generalization: Overseas box office. I think the movies geared towards 18-35 year old white males, whether they actually appeal to that demo or what the studios think appeal to that demo. Are the big properties that need little cultural translation. Like shit blowing up and the like.

Posted by: enon at January 27, 2012 5:55 PM

I question my asexuality when I watch an Angela Bassett movie.

Sorry, off topic.

Posted by: snapnhiss at January 27, 2012 7:56 PM

I love Viola Davis. LOVE HER. She's compelling, intelligent, talented beyond words and sexy as hell. I'd rather watch her than 95% of the rest of Hollywood's stars. I do think there's a lack of parts for women like her - and by that, I mean women of substance. Yes, race and age factor into it, but ultimately, I think there's a lack of truly interesting, sexy, intelligent, dynamic women portrayed on film. Women tend to get to be only one or two things - sexy, or smart, or a victim, etc. Even the more interesting female characters are never quite fully formed the way a real woman would be. Maybe it's a lack of depth amongst the talent, maybe it's the writing - all I know is that, when I see Viola Davis on screen, I've got no doubt that she's going to be captivating, no matter how thinly (or lushly) written her role might be.

(Also, in my opinion, TV is actually better for women as far as intriguing characters.)

Posted by: Danielle at January 27, 2012 10:03 PM

Part of the rush to cater to the 18-35 year old straight white male demographic has to do with some funny statistics. Basically, studies have shown that women will watch movies with men in the lead. People of color will watch movies with white people in the lead. Older people will watch movies with 18-35 year olds in the lead. Gay people will watch movies with straight people in the lead. However, 18-35 year old straight white men aren't all that willing (statistically) to watch movies with women in the leads, or people of color in the leads, or older people in the leads, or gay men in the leads. They are used to being catered to, and often end up feeling uncomfortable when they are not. This has led to them being less able to empathize with other subject positions. Meanwhile other groups have gotten used to identifying with the dominant figure as well as themselves. Basically the dominant subject (the 18-35 year old straight white man), because he's dominant, doesn't have to understand other subject positions if he doesn't want to. The subordinate subjects have to be able to understand the dominant one if they want to survive and be safe as well as their own subject position.

So if you want to a movie to have broad appeal you aim it at the 18-35 year old male, because you know everyone else will see it too (they really don't have much of a choice). If you make a movie with a black female lead...chances are all the 18-35 year old straight white dudes won't see it. So your profits drop.

So rather than trying to get to a space where 18-35 year old straight white dudes have learned to identify with people who aren't them, the studios keep allowing them not to have to think about that my continuing to make movies in which they are all the important roles.

Posted by: trooper6 at January 28, 2012 1:39 AM

It's too bad that Viola Davis didn't even star in her starring role. While she was easily the best thing about a mediocre movie, it was Emma Stone that had the most screen time. Wasn't the movie about her attempt at writing the book, not so much as the maid's lives? Davis was a supporting player but I'm sure the producers didn't want her competing with Octavia Spencer for best supporting actor.

In any case,
Viola Davis and Octavia Spencer= YES
The Help= NO

Posted by: kirbyjay at January 28, 2012 8:22 AM

Eh, this thread is mostly dead, but I'll rebut Craig.

*A* point may be that there are not lead roles for 46 year old black women. But I don't think Viola Davis has been a 46 year old black woman for her entire career - which is what the question was about.

(I get annoyed at "where have you been" questions in general, especially when where the actor has been is...on stage. In leading roles.)

Posted by: Sara Tonin at January 29, 2012 5:53 PM

@Mrs. Julien,
Clooney was really annoying me here (for exactly what Amanda6 said). But I had to forgive him at the end because of his Sullivan's Travels reference. I don't know whether Clooney saw that movie because the movie that movie director Sullivan wants to make is called "O Brother Where Art Thou" or whether he was already familiar with Sturgess's work, but it killed me that he referenced that movie.

And then you did him one better by referencing "Hey Hey in the Hayloft." I have always wished that that movie and "Ants in Your Plants of 1939" were real movies.

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