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10 Things We Learned From This Week's Monstrous Episode Of "Game Of Thrones": Spoiler Whore and Book Reader Edition

By Joanna Robinson | TV Reviews | May 15, 2013 | Comments ()


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Author's Note: Hey folks! We're back with a book spoiler-heavy "Game Of Thrones" rundown. If you're looking for eloquent or sophisticated analysis, I suggest you head on over to TK's superlative Monday recap. This post serves mainly as an outlet for all your pent-up frustrations at having to tip-toe around your book knowledge lest you spoil a "Game Of Thrones" newbie. So, in case it isn't clear, IF YOU DON'T WANT TO BE SPOILED BY BOOK KNOWLEDGE OR SOME INSIDER SHOW INFO, GET OUT OF HERE. SERIOUSLY, WHAT IN THE SEVEN 'ELLS ARE YOU DOING HERE? LEAVE LEST I SIC MY DRAGON ON YOU!

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Are they gone? Phew. Anything goes in the comments, folks. We're hoping this will help curb some of your urges to spoil in the regular recap. Have at it!--JR

1. Westerosi Sex Ed 101: Stick 'Em With The Pointy End: Between Tormund and Margaery, the virginal Stark kids got a lot of information this episode. Not to mention what that poor Greyjoy kid learned. I loved Kit Harrington's reaction here and his performance in this episode in general. I've said it elsewhere, but my current theory is that the arctic climate was really putting a damper on Kit's acting ability for the past season and a half. I mean, he made at least fivefacial expressions this week. At least.
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2. Tywin: I loved this scene. Of course it's not in the book, but the George RR Martin-written dialogue was unbeatably great. Not to mention the camera angles which lent Tywin that extra loom. It's odd, though, if you step back from the verbal smack down ("We could arrange to have you carried" etc.), to note that Joffrey's in the right in this instance. His concern for the dragons is valid and Tywin's dismissal naive.
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I mean, Christalmighty.
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3. The Slow Boat To Dragonstone: Westorosi cartophiles noticed that Melisandre and Gendry took the long, loooong way round from Riverrun (isn) to Dragonstone. This, I guess, was so she could gesture dramatically to King's Landing when she told the poor, dumb bastard where he came from. Necessary? A budgetary misstep?
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UPDATE: A reader just sent me this map. "Game Of Thrones" fans are the best fans. "The Blackwater Rush would be the fastest way to Dragonstone from Hollow Hill (see attached)."
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4. Isn't It Ironic?: Yes that is a nice necklace. Beware Lannisters bearing gifts, Shae. Also this is the first time I've felt sorry for Shae. I'm on record as not really liking Sibel Kekilli's performance but you could really hear her heartbreak and frustration in this scene. Was it foolish of her to expect more from Tyrion? Maybe. Was it sh*tty of Tyrion to expect to eat his lemon cake and have it too? Without a doubt.
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5. Speaking Of Tragic Performances: I thought Rose Leslie was a godamn delight this week, equal turns fierce and charming. As I mentioned before, I think Kit Harrington really brought his A-Game for the first time and I'm really buying these two together and his conflicting loyalties. Her loss will be keenly felt.
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6. Characters Getting A Short Shrift: Speaking of the Jon storyline, I've had several people mention to me that they feel Mance Rayder has gotten sidelined. Well, I don't know that they could have done much more with him in this season and I'm thrilled for all the material he has coming up. Selmy and Mormont, on the other hand, have basically been relegated to looking on with either approbation or consternation. I know there's some drama coming up for Jorah, but I don't like how he's been sidelined thus far.
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7. Nudity: The Good, The Bad, The Talisa: This was an odd episode for the ol' "Game Of Thrones" nudity. The Theon scene was, without a single doubt, gratuitous. The Robb and Talisa scene felt a bit more organic. (And who are we to complain here. I mean really?)
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And though the fall-out from the Theon scene was great (in regards to Alfie Allen's cringing, traumatized performance) the lead up was, well, excessive. Nonetheless, big ups for that wicked knife, Ramsay.
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8. A Bun In The Honeypot: Once again, our lady of Talisa is at the center of controversy. There are those that think the mere fact she was was writing a letter was in concrete evidence of her treachery. Did she told Robb she was pregnant just to f*ck with him? Or she is actually pregnant? Will she go to the Red Wedding and will both she and the baby die? Will she go to the Red Wedding and plunge a knife or two in some Stark men? Will she go to the Red Wedding and be saved at the last minute by the Blackfish? IS THE JEYNE WESTERLING IN THE BOOK NOT THE REAL JEYNE WESTERLING BECAUSE OF HIP SIZE? These and many more questions to be answered somewhere down the line. I hope she dies (for the pathos) or is a downright villain (for the drama).
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9. The Stark Girls Aren't Alright: Was this a little bit of fan service to the Margaery/Sansa shippers? If so, well played. Some didn't like the way Sansa was portrayed in this scene. They worried she came off as unsympathetic (and height-ist). I think she came off just fine. She's a scared teenager, not a villain.
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And Arya's now in the hands of The Hound. Are they painting her too dark? How much darker will she get after the Red Wedding?
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10. You made a bear! Undo it!: This, of course, was perfection. The entire Jaime/Brienne relationship has been perfection. Yeah, sure, the bear dies in the book but I'm not sure that was necessary here. Some called the whole sequence underwhelming but I thought it was astonishing. The performances from the actors and the digitally inserted (but very real) bear? Amazing.
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New Character Rundown:

1. Razdal mo Eraz: Ol' guyliner here did his job and was suitably cowed by Dany and those absolutely gorgeous dragons. I loved this scene. A real highlight.
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2. Steelshanks Walton: Though this fellow is a background character and we can't really delve into his whole backstory, this is an instance where I missed the rich character descriptions we get in the books. I so like knowing about Walton and his motivations, even if it all doesn't amount to much in the end.
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2. Locke's Single Solitary Bear: Played by Bart II. Brills.
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Best Line: Obviously. Also? Shut it, Osha. Please take Rickon and depart already.
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Runner-Up: Chills, right?
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Worst Line: I hated everything Orell had to say. Let's discuss how he tried to kill Ygritte just. last. week. So yeah, I hated all of that. But Mackenzie Crook's face? I could look at that thing all day.
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Favorite Random Image Of The Week
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  • samforsyth

    Joanna, in the cast (this weeks or last weeks, can't remember) you mentioned when danny takes the unsullied and burns the city as "one of the scenes" that made the show creators want to make the show... then you said you couldn't spoil what the other ones were... I saw the EW article where they mention that scene...but i hadn't read anywhere about what other scenes were. Do you know what they are from some other story, or are you simply assuming which scenes they meant? (probably the RW and Joffrey's Wedding, right?)

  • Evelyn

    For a guy supposedly on a forced march with Brienne of The Long Legs around for a couple weeks, Jamie Lannister sure has a flat ass.

  • Maddy

    Random question - is Ygritte going to die this season? Or are they going to keep her around?

  • foca9

    A Norwegian children's book of my childhood used the term 'gruglede seg', which is a combination of 'å grue seg' (to be queasy about) and 'å glede seg' (to look forward to). The example of the book was first day at school.

    That expression is the most accurate description of how I feel about the Red Wedding we are approaching. As Robb is my favourite character from ASoIaF (as you can see), this will be extremely painful. But at the same time I look forward to see the adaptation and even more my friends' reaction to it. In addition I have a sincere man crush on Richard Madden, and I doubt my sexual orientation every time I hear him say 'justice' (but then there's Clarke, Chaplin, Turner, Leslie, Dormer, Tena, Emmanuel…)

    As for future development, I think the Sansa/Tyrion wedding will be The Bear and the Maiden Fair episode, the Red Wedding will of course be this season's ninth episode big event, and the Purple Wedding in the 4th season. Perhaps in the second episode already written by GRRM.

    Oh, I came to think of the excellent British tv show 'Black Mirror' when I read about other shows starring Tobias Menzies. Recommend it to everyone!

  • Carey Adams

    'Black Mirror' is CRAZY. I love it. The second episode of season 2 was so bizarre. I've recommended it to all my friends.

  • Lisa

    I've been enjoying the Theon story and meeting Ramsay. However, I was a bit surprised to see them in the preview because I doubt they are going to tell us where Theon is yet. So that will be 4 episodes where they don't explain anything and that has to be super frustrating for Show only watchers.

    I am hoping for some major hints since booth Boltons will be in the episode. And honestly, even if it is confusing for others, I'm really excited to see more of crazy ass Ramsay.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    Everyone is expecting The Red Wedding to be episode 9 but I heard somewhere that it's supposed to be episode 7. I don't know for sure because I haven't looked up the shows episode list nor do I watch the previews before or after the episode in order not to spoil myself on which plot points will be covered. But they do seem to be fast tracking this season a bit even though they said that book 3 would be split between two seasons. I thought the Night Watch mutiny and the sacking of Astopor would happen much later in the show. Looks like the Wall will be scaling will be next and The Red Wedding I expect this season might end with the aftermath of The Red Wedding and then the Royal Wedding and the introduction of the Martell's and Joffrey's Death and theand it will probably pick back up with the trial of Tyrion and so on, which makes sense because the action ramps back up with some of the storylines after that. And next season may end with the introduction of Lady Stonehart. Either way I'm anxiously awaiting what comes I try to keep my wife away from spoilers even though she begs me to tell her what's going to happen next, she says she doesn't care about spoilers but this book/season is so epic that I'm sure when the real shit goes down her jaw is going to drop. I can't wait!

  • Maddy

    I am still annoyed at how they've made both Cat and Robb significantly stupider than in the books. While obviously marrying Jeyne/freeing Jaime were stupid things to do, they were borne out of grief and despair at hearing of Bran and Rickon's death and it was understandable even though it was frustrating, now they just did it because they felt like it! Also, why/how does Tywin know that Theon 'hanged' Bran and Rickon but apparently Cat and Robb don't have this info and think they're missing?

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    I love how Ramsay has a line in the promo that sums up the whole series -- "If you think this has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention." (and have to say his delivery is frickin awesome)

    I'm wondering if they are keeping Ramsay's identity secret until the RW, so as to not add more fire to the "treacherous Roose" theory? I've been wondering. In the Unsullied thread on TWOP, some actually thought Roose's decency to Jaime made him less suspicious. (it's great to see nonreaders having really neat speculations and discussions...though they make Dave look adorably unobservant by how much they catch XD) Personally, I LOVE how the show made a family connection. Ramsay was an epic troll with Theon, now it's clear he gets it from his daddy. Yanking Jaime's chain was trollish and awesome. House Trollton indeed.

    Re: Jon in the carnal cave, I took this version of Ygritte's "let's stay here forever" to be pillow talk, not a declaration of undying commitment.

    Re: Sansa and Littlefinger scene -- am I the only one who thought LF was being ridiculously creepy? I also thought Sansa was showing her growth and learning to be more canny.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    I'm surprised that non Book readers especially Dave haven't caught on that it's Ramsay Snow especially seeing that Iwon Rheon is credited on IMDB as Ramsay Snow and /Flim that broke a lot of the GOT casting news. I guess he stayed far away from those spoilers. It was kind of frustrating to hear him be so harsh on the Theon storyline though but that comes from my book knowledge because we know how awesome that thread is in the book. It's interesting to see how long they can play the mystery out in the show though.

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    Haha, I know! When Dave mentioned that it might be cool if the Boy was actually a new psychopathic main character, I burst out laughing. To be fair, I can see one forgetting that Roose mentioned his bastard was going to Winterfell, and a viewer being confused by how much Ramsay knows about Theon (I'm guessing he tortured it out of the other Ironborn or it was common knowledge.)

  • Maddy

    Nope - but LF is always being a creeper to Sansa. I liked that it showed that she didn't trust him completely and didn't just tell him the 'plot' - even though obviously it made no difference

  • christopherdlc

    The end of the episode had me thinking about how sweet Tywins taking one in the gut, while on the pot, will be. Especially of they throw in a Tyrion quip or two.

  • JamesGeee

    I gotta think that Gendry won't end up being the Melisandra's sacrifice. She needs one sacrifice for each King she wants dead. I think the jarred fetuses will end up replacing the leeches used in the book.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    In one of the earlier trailers before the season began we see Melisandra rubbing the head of a dark haired male and saying something like 'you are the one' or something like that. I assumed it was Edric Storm but I don't know if he has been cast and its kind of late in the show to be introducing him out of the blue it actually might be Gendry. Gendry doesn't really have much to do now that Arya's about to leave and he's somewhat of a favorite side character. This could be a way for the writers to keep him in the show longer. They could legitimately write it in that she had a vision from the Lord of Light about him and she meets up with Thoros of Myr a fellow Red Priest and meets up with Gendry there and she and him meet back up with Stannis at the Wall.

  • Elisa Uranga

    Joanna I jussst want to say that I adore your podcast and l love love love your weekly insider post. All our guily pleasures are aroused once again. Well done milady.

  • Ashley

    I think the lannister honeypot is true because on some of the early promotional material they labeled Talisa as Jeyne. I mean how could somebody get those two confused unless they are eventually going to pull the switch-a-roo. But if they do I applaud the writers cause that will be devastating to all the newbies.

    Also I think the mi'lady thing is two fold, Gendry was pointing out Arya's naivety arya genuinely believes and means she could be his family but Gendry knows thats not going to happen because he is a bastard and his low birth. Hence why he says mi'lady but I think he also is implying that he views Arya as more than JUST family but as his lady,which is all the more heartbreaking. Also I prefer tv Gendry and his goodbye to book Gendry!

  • Fabius_Maximus

    The sword fight wasn't amazing, it was dumb. You carry shields, you morons. Don't use your swords for parrying!

    Seriously, if only one of them had parried a sword stroke with his shield once, he could have ended the fight very quickly.

    I think that Stannis doesn't hug Shireen because a), he's a cold bastard, and b), he's afraid of catching greyscale. Unfortunately, the latter wasn't in the play at all. Also, I missed Patches. He would have made a really great creepy addition to the series.

    Robb is not stupid. He's young, and takes after his father. You could maybe call him "Lawful Stupid" (fucking Paladins, how do they work?), if you're so inclined.

  • Morgan_LaFai

    First thing first, m'lady reminded me of the conversation last season between Tyrelle and Arya where they discuss the upper and lower class pronunciations of my land versus m'lady. Just the way Gendry said it shows that he knows he would not be Arya's family but an inferior much like Jon Snow or Theon Greyjoy. Of the family but not in the family.

    As for the execution, I don't get why no one war arguing for why they had to kill Karstark. They made it seem like such a stupid decision, whereas it should have been a damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Just a few more lines would have been all that was necessary. Same with Jon and Yigrette. The conversation with the line, just because you want him between your legs, with just a little tweaking could have been Yigrette saving Jon by saying he has been between her legs. But I am a fan and one of the greatest perks of being a fan is the ability to critique every little thing that isn't exactly how I would have done it.

    And poor Sansa, but I do love how competent she becomes later under the tutelage of Little Finger. I have no idea where her story is going but I pray to the old gods and the new (though not to the Red God) that she ends up on the small council or is some similar position of authority. She's got the brains for it, and we know Dynerous supports the role of women.

  • Strand

    I honestly don't know what they're doing with Talisa. I originally believed that she's still Jeyne Westerling but hid her surname otherwise Robb would believe that she's loyal to the Lannisters, they DID meet in the Westerlands. Then it'll lead to the expected rom-com fight near the end where he finds out "I only lied so I wouldn't hurt you! But I actually do love you!" blah blah.

    Now, I'm positive that there is no Jeyne Westerling, there's just not enough time to solve this plot line. They've essentially fabricated a new character but... why?

  • It's even been said that GRRM likes the Talisa character.

  • YeahButNoBut

    Two-and-a-bit seasons in, I'm still glad the TV people decided to age everyone up. I know it's mainly for the added nudie bits, but it's just a bit less oogy when Joffrey, Sansa, Arya and Danerys in particular are TV-age and not five years younger.

    Of course, it makes Robb look like *more* of a dumbarse while he's dooming himself with all the dum-dum doomy doom.

  • My_Oath

    Its something I have to keep reminding my non-reader friends of. Robb and Jon are only 15-16. Dany is 14-15. Realising they are so young explains why they do some of the things they do and the way people react around them.

    So many people are 'anti-Sansa' but they should realise she is only a 13 year old girl under constant guard. What is she actually supposed to do? Tyrion is right. "She will outlast them all." She starts out as the fair princess trapped in the tower by the evil queen. Currently she is still hoping for a knight in shining armour.... but she is gradually, step-by-step getting smarter. I have little doubt by the last book, the little bird will be in full flight. It won't be the fairy tale ending she dreamt of at the start - but she will survive and thrive.

  • BendinIntheWind

    Though the Red Wedding completely wins for shock value, I was actually more surprised at Joffrey's death, because it was so huge and came way out of left field. I think the show needs to build in a little time to see the Lannisters sitting pretty before the sheer WTF-ery of Joffrey's wedding. I hope the show take the ballsy move to kill him off in episode 2 or 3 of next season. Juuuuust enough time to see Joffrey feeling comfortable in his seat of power, then BAM!

  • christopherdlc

    I would also add Tywin to the increased WTF-ery.

  • BendinIntheWind

    I'm kind of hoping they hold off til later in the season - Tyrion killing Shae and his father right at the end of the season would be such a huge point for the character that it leaves you dangling between seasons, wondering both what it means for him as a person, but also where he'll go now that he's on the run.

    That said, I think it would be hilarious and amazing if season 4 ends with Sansa: I want the last image of the season to be identical to Jaime pushing Bran, though instead of "The things I do for love", Littlefinger looks Sansa dead in the eyes, says Only Cat", then SHOVE!! Adios, Lysa.

  • christopherdlc

    Could, or should, the red wedding, joffrey, tywin & shae all happen before the end of the season? Does all of that happen close enough, chronologically to make sense? I know the show can play with time some.

  • E-Money

    I'm not gonna say I like the show better than the book, because I think I'd be struck down where I stand if I pulled that. I do prefer show Brienne. And maybe that's just this particular season. I realize that it's mostly FFC Brienne that makes me want to throw the book across the room. I can't help but think I'll much prefer the show version of "Brienne of Tarth Goes Questing for Fuck All." Because really those 30 some chapters she has in Feast are so damn tedious, but with Christie being her flawless self I might actually enjoy it...especially if there are more instances of DAT ASS!

  • manting

    it clearly a stunt but - you can tell by the editing

  • Alise Headlam

    QUESTION: My workmate and I are arguing about the final moment in the Jaime and Brienne bath scene. She thinks when he moved forward he was attempting to drown himself, I think he might have just been leaning forward in an attempt to stand up and get out of the bath.

    What did everyone else read into that movement? What was his intention?

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    He was passing out (it was in the books). NCW did a great job with starting to look lightheaded--looking around, eyes fluttering. He's probably feverish because of his hand, underfed, dehydrated...poor guy.

  • If Jaime had wanted to kill himself, he would've by now.

  • Alise Headlam

    YAY, I win then

  • E-Money

    Honestly I think he's just sick and weak and had his hand cut off and then his stump burned off. I'd be a little weak in the knees after that too. I think Brienne is calling for help because he's collapsing.

  • manting

    same as the book - he was weak from his wound, the fever, and the heat of the baths.

  • Maddy

    In the books, didn't he hit his stump on the side of the bath and that's why he passed out? I freaking loved that scene, but the whole 'my name's Jaime' bit at the end was a bit on the nose

  • John G.

    The confession/bathe scene between Jamie and Brienne was possibly my favorite scene in the whole show, not just this episode, but the entire 3 seasons so far. I think they did a better job even than the book here. Just ... just...perfect.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    Yea that scene in the bathtub played out brilliantly. I felt so sorry for Jaime. Although I can't forgive him for pushing Bran out the window I feel for what he had to put up with from folks judging him. He totally did the right thing by killing a King that was homicidal and insane and that everyone agrees was mad and cruel and rebelled against so basically he does Robert's and Ned's job for them and for his troubles he gets judged and called Kingslayer for the rest of his life. But real talk though imagine a different reality where Ned Stark didn't immediately judge Jaime and actually thanked and praised him for disposing of the mad King and striking the final blow for the rebellion and no one judged him as being an oath breaker. And then imagine years later Bran catching him and Cersi together I think that Jaime would not have pushed him out of the window he probably would have made up a different story for what they were doing or something he would have taken Bran under his wing and appeal to his desire of wanting to be a Knight and promise to personally train him if Bran swore not to say anything or something like that. All out of respect for Ned not judging him. By what right does the wolf judge the lion. Although if that happened we wouldn't have this epic story now would we.

  • Mrs. Julien

    I don't watch the show and I haven't read the books, but I am deeply grateful that I chose to "read" this article.

  • $27019454

    O Mrs Julien you have to watch this. We need to talk. Honey you are misssssiiinnnnngggg.

  • Mrs. Julien

    No HBO. I've seen all of season 1.

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  • MissAmynae

    well, shite if you think it'll work, I'll send you my login info for hbogo!

  • Conor

    My heart leaps into my chest every time Emilia Clarke speaks Valyrian.

    Goddamn, that woman can sell a pretend language.

    Coster-Waldau is KILLING it, and needs to get an Emmy nod.

    Also can't wait for more Qyburn (Ser Robert Strong!) and next week's full reveal of Ramsay.

  • My_Oath

    And the young lad playing Grey Worm nailed it too. Between the pair of them that exchange sounded about as natural as a fake language could.

  • pfeiffer87

    Loved the casting for Qyburn - I just know from his work on 'the hour' that he's gonna be gentle, soft-spoken and deliciously creepy.

  • christopherdlc

    1. still thinking of the boring times ahead for Dany
    2. SUPER excited for the far off awesomeness that will be Ayra learning to be an assassin!

  • DarthCorleone

    One more thing on the honeypot: if Talisa goes with Robb to the Twins, that could be a big indicator. Imagine amping up the RW that one extra degree by having Robb look into her eyes as the betrayal happens.

  • Juwan Dickerson

    I imagine that she would be there. Because in the books her whole family is River Run with Robb and it makes sense that she stays with them but Talisa doesn't have anyone at River Run to stay with I mean they could leave her but it would make more since in the show to take her and make the whole thing more tragic for Robb.

  • AngelenoEwok

    Oona Chaplin has tweeted that she will be in TRoC

  • Sherry

    On the one hand, I'm annoyed that it's spoilerish, but on the other, maybe she's toying with us and just means the episode itself, not at the RW? (Gods, these books make a reader paranoid...)

  • Sherry

    To clarify: annoyed with her for Tweeting that, not you for sharing.

  • JoannaRobinson

    Oh she HAS to be there. She has to be.

  • My_Oath

    I want her to be there... and I want one of Jon's men to kill her there as well...

  • DarthCorleone

    I dunno...I'm sort of leaning against the theory. Bolton is a traitor; we know that. It might be overkill to cram two into Robb's camp. Plus, it's a lot more tragic to have Robb lose for the sake of true love.

  • manting

    bolton is at harrenhall and yet in the episode we learn that Tywin already knows about the loss of the Karstarks. There must be a spy in camp

  • JoannaRobinson

    Someone mentioned that Tywin got the news of the Karstarks abandoning ship awfully fast. And Bolton's not at Riverrun. GIVE ME MY CONSPIRACY THEORIES.

  • Maddy

    Is it bad that I just want her character to die at the RW anyway, even if she isn't a spy? I have irrational hatred/annoyance for her character ...

  • MissAmynae

    she needs to die. badly. catelyn should get to kill her....

  • dinka

    "Center for onion knights who cant read good"

    Hilarious. Inspired. Great post.

  • QueeferSutherland

    Is the series skipping over the part when Robb makes Cat agree to name Jon Snow his heir?

  • Strand

    She still doesn't agree, and he says something like "Yeah? Well... fuck you! I don't need your permission mum!" and his bannermen see to it instead.

  • manting

    that happens en route to the red wedding I think

  • Maddy

    Is it weird that I ship Grey Worm and Dany? I mean I know it can't happen obviously, but he's super cute! I will settle for some Dany/Jorah though ... they're going to keep that kiss in right? Also isn't Grey Worm Missandei's brother? I could well be not remembering that properly though ...

  • MissAmynae

    i think it was just that she had brothers in the Unsullied, not Grey Worm specifically.

  • I love that you can really see how beatup and skinny Jaime's gotten. He's lost so much weight. Now that's commitment.

    And I love this show for being so equal opportunity with the nudity and the asses. Well done.

  • Shireen Baratheon’s Center For Onion Knights Who Can’t Read Good

    HA HA HA HA HA

    The scene with Brienne and Jamie was brilliant. I looked forward to Jamie's chapters the most in SoS, so I'm thrilled that they're doing the relationship justice.

  • Sherry

    "I don’t like that Robb’s talent as a leader of men has been played down. It goes back to the whole Talisa vs. Jeyne Westerling problem. In the book Robb’s decision to marry Jeyne is borne out of grief and honor. In the show it comes off as hormones. I don’t like to think of Robb as a bad leader."

    This, a thousand times this. A co-worker who has read the books didn't really understand why the Talisa vs. Jeyne switch bothered me sooo much (it does). I should just print out the quote above and hand it to her--perfectly well said. If Honeypotgate does not go down, I will be really irritated because that was my hope all along (before that magnificent video was created) and, in my eyes at least, the only way of redeeming that change.

    (I feel this is the only way this post can end:) Harrumph!

  • disqus_N4EigheiZo

    Just here to say that Kit Harington said that the ass above, is not his ass, as he apparently had an ankle brace at this point in filming.

    So nice ass, but not Jon Snow ass.

    Ass.

  • Danar the Barbarian

    I just ASSumed it was Kit Harrington's ASS in the scene. He has amASSed quite a fangirl following and now you're ruining that fantASSy for us! ASS. This is fun!

  • DarthCorleone

    Regarding the honeypot (if true), I think that encouraging Robb to kill Karstark would have been too much of a tell and out of character for a healer. She's spent enough time with now to know how Robb thinks, and she could see which way the wind was blowing.

  • Guest

    Am I the only one who looked at the header pic of this post and thought:

    "Suck it up B*tch." ?

  • Meg

    Omg this episode. The Jamie/Brienne bath scene was fucking perfection and everything I could have ever wanted out of that scene. Also awesome was the opening sword fight, though I was mildly disappointed that there wasn't more woo-woo involved in resurrecting Beric. Wasn't there more to it than that in the books? Honestly I don't remember.

    ******MILD SPOILERSS from ADWD******

    With regards to Littlefinger and him ratting out the Tyrells, we find out in one of Cersei's chapters that somewhere around this time Littlefinger asked to be the one to marry Sansa. But whether that was before he knew about the Tyrell plot, or brought about because he saw an opportunity in exposing them and securing her for himself we don't know. But I think one of the more interesting aspects of the later books is the slow realization of just how much Little finger and Varys were controlling and manipulating things behind the scenes. Sooo good.

    *****END SPOILERS*****

    Also loved Shireen and the condensing of the entire Storms End cast of characters. Did anyone else notice that one of the pickled fetuses was named Edric? I know we're not getting that character, but I thought that was kind of a weird acknowledgement of him.

    Also Arya is losing her wolf pack :((( And we never even got the Acorn Manor scene and I desperately wanted Gendry teasing Arya when she had to wear a dress. I also miss all the more shippy moments between them that we had in the book. The show age difference seems way bigger than the book age difference, so I get them trying to avoid creepy pedo vibes, but it was such a big part of those characters and what made their eventual goodbye even more sad.

  • Kristen Mc

    It's revealed in ASoS that Littlefinger is the one that told Tywin of the Tyrell plot.

  • Meg

    Oh I know, with Dontos as his catspaw (which by the way why was he introduced in the show and then we never saw him again ) I was just wondering if him asking to marry Sansa was connected to ratting out the Tyrells, and what the exact timeline was.

  • $27019454

    Also...I think we need an ass-ranking every week. Get a memo out to the GoT writers, stat.

    I think an entire Pajiba category of ass-rankage would not be overkill at this point.

  • JJ

    "ass-rankage"

    I do not think that means what you think it means.

  • $27019454

    You are probably very right...

  • Enrique del Castillo

    I hope Dondarrion stays for a couple more episodes. I feel he was the most underused minor character in the books.

    Patchface's song was a great addition, quite creepy and effective. Though it makes me wonder if his removal means he really isn't important at all and Melissandre is overreacting when she says he scares her.

    I though Gendry's line was more of a "I won't have problems serving you", so it's kind of both interpretations. However, I have seen no one else think the same, so maybe I'm just misreading it because I do ship Gendry and Arya.

    I hope they keep Davos plotline with Edric Storm/Gendry, and replace the loyalists and Maester Pylos with Shireen. Davos is very underused in the books and taking away any of his plotlines is a crime to me, since he's my one of my favorite characters.

    If the Lannister Honeypot is true, that would be great and it would show how dangerous Tywin is. Also, I have no reason to like Talisa, so I wouldn't mind her being an accomplice to that if Jeyne in the books has no further role to play.

  • Nunchucko

    I wouldn't read too much into missing characters from the show and their importance to the books. I heard an interview with the showrunners (I believe on Grantland) and it sounded like GRRM told them they would be sorry for streamlining and removing some characters that will have big parts in the final novels. Actually, that sounds harsh. I think it was more "oh no! You're getting rid of him/her!? I have big plans for him/her!".

  • PDamian

    Damn skippy Brienne has the finest ass. It may very well be one of the top ten in Westeros. Of course, Jamie's would be second, but a very close second.

    I've said it elsewhere on Pajiba, but I'll say it again: I'm beginning to prefer the show over the books. Budget constraints and writer/editor collaborators for GRRM have meant tighter storylines and fewer distractions. I'll always love the books, but this show is just BETTER, and it's so rare that I find an adaptation better than the original.

    As for feeling for Cersei -- mmmmm, nope, not much. It'd be easier to feel for her if she didn't take so much glee in others' discomfort. Wipe the smirk off your face, bitch -- your time is coming.

  • sean

    Too bad it was a body double. I wonder how the hell you find a body double for 6'3" woman.

  • Sherry

    I found myself watching the gif of Jaime's ass an unseemly number of times. Yowza.

  • AshBookworm

    I preferred The Baelish Honeytrap. Jon's wasn't visble enough and Jaime's was too dirty. But the guy with Loras? Yummy!

  • Enrique del Castillo

    I can't wait for the fifth season to see how much Cersei screws up when her father dies. I want to see the High Sparrow manipulating her, Aurane Waters conning her for money and ships and fleeing and all that stuff. Cersei is awful and I can't find sympathy for her, but she's fascinating in her awfulness

  • My husband read A Feast of Crows before I did and he laughed every time Cersei came up. He called her chapters The Derp Chronicles.

  • Fabius_Maximus

    The thing about reinstating those knightly orders was the biggest idiocy she has committed so far.

  • $27019454

    While I admit to some small ambivalence about hating Jaime, I will never feel anything for Cersei except loathing. Like find-a-dead-festering-maggotty-possum-in-the-road loathing.

  • Scorptilicus

    I guess the Jon/Ygritte scene didn't bother me as much because I never bought in the book that he would betray the Night's Watch. There was conflict, certainly, and major feelings for Ygritte, but it never felt to me that his loyalty to her equaled loyalty to the wildlings.

    The scene does have a different feel, though, one less emotionally resonant. Here I think it's the first major break from his double agent status whereas in the book it seemed like it was meant to be his final major temptation, perhaps the thing that would make him choose Ygritte if anything did. Here it's more like the beginning of that movement, but I think it's still a major moment for Jon in the show because it's the first time since joining that his loyalty to the Night's Watch has clearly cracked. Not the best scene in the show, but I think it still works to an extent.

  • AlannaJudith

    Okay, so I have a theory, and I wonder who out there agrees with me: I think episode 9, the Rains of Castermere are going to be both weddings. Just like how the Blackwater episode just focused on that last season, I think we're gonna have an episode totally devoted to two weddings. It would be amazing, and surprising to all of us book readers. Or am I just crazy?

  • My_Oath

    I think it will be Red Wedding Ep 9, Purple Wedding Season 4, and the Tyrion/Sansa do in Ep 10.

  • DarthCorleone

    That could make for some very cool, creative editing, but I'm pretty sure I read that Tyrion's wedding takes place in the prior episode.

  • Monica

    Wouldn't it be Robb and Joffrey's wedding as the two? (Not to each other, obviously)

  • DarthCorleone

    Pretty sure Joffrey's wedding isn't happening until next season. If you spend that in season three, there's hardly anything left for season four.

  • Artemis

    Yeah, that's what they've said and I think makes sense -- especially because I don't want them to rush through the fall out with Tyrion, I'm very much looking forward to watching Peter Dinklage break my heart in half repeatedly.

    BUT... I also think it would be kind of AWESOME if they were lying to us to give the book readers a surprise, and the episode was in fact both weddings.

  • IngridToday

    I heard somewhere that GRRM is writing the second episode of the next season so the theory is that Joffrey's wedding will be next season, because really it'd be way to rush to have a bunch of weddings in one season without being able to show the effects of each events.

  • $27019454

    Guhhh!! Too many good drugs at once!! I love it!!

  • John W

    Great recap as usual.

    I think they should have saved the duel between the hound and Beric to the end. They would have had two back to back eps with awesome endings.

    This show does a great job casting young actors. Shireen (Kerry Ingram) just broke my heart.

    I'll be surprised if this show doesn't snag several acting nominations come Emmy time.

  • My_Oath

    Ahh Shireen. Lumps in throats were had - especially after the said lumps were handily nearby after the "I'll be your family" moment.

  • JoannaRobinson

    I don't want NCW to win over Walton Goggins and Aaron Paul, but I demand he be nominated.

  • MrsAtaxxia

    Jamie and Brienne in the bath was everything I wanted and needed it to be. I was fucking weeping by the time she was holding him.

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