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The Word that Turned the Entire Internet Into Sneering Dismissive Pr*cks

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Think Pieces | Comments (144)



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Whatever.

That word is the rallying cry of the Internet generation, a word that threatens to swallow the entire World Wide Web into a black hole of apathy. There’s no word I dislike more than “whatever” and its close cousins, “Meh” and “PASS.” They’re condescending and dismissive, yet still maintain the illusion of indifference. The Internet uses these words as weapons, as a means to highlight its own sneering prickishness. How do you even argue with that without being matched by another “whatever”? It’s like a drumbeat of stoic assholery that keeps marching and marching, taking out huge chunks of conversation in its path, deflating enthusiasm, and tearing down the efforts of others with the speed of a goddamn chainsaw.

Whatever.

In an insightful piece last week, Fatboy Roberts wrote of the “Uhhh” problem endemic to the new nerd culture:

The Nerd is the one who begins every single disagreement, correction or otherwise contentious statement with a variation on this three letter preface:

Uhh…

Sometimes it’s “umm…” Sometimes they add a “yeah” to the beginning as a bit of a verbal flourish, an unintentional homage to one of cinemas blandest assholes, Bill Lumbergh. More creative types will add a dash of artistic flair by using ascii art to depict raised eyebrows or off-kilter looks before adding that single, drawn-out guttural noise.

It’s true. Yet, as irritating as I find “Uhhh, actually,” I find “whatever” even more problematic. With “Uhhh,” at least you’re passionate enough about the topic to engage in a debate, even if you do sound like a “fucking cockhole.” On the other hand, “whatever” ends the debate. It halts the conversation. You can’t engage with it. It’s a slick wall you can’t climb.

Yesterday, I ran a post highlighting the trailers for what I thought were the seven most promising movies of the fall. I had noticed that, in putting together the review schedule for September, that there was an inordinate amount of films that I could not wait to see. I wanted to share that enthusiasm here. But instead of excitement, the trailers in question were met with a lot of indifference: “Meh,” “eh,” “whatever,” “Yawn.” You don’t care? Great, but guess what? I don’t care that you don’t care.

It’s maddening: You got Clooney, Brad Pitt, Ryan Gosling, Carey Mulligan, Matt Damon, Steven Soderbergh, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, Tom Hardy, Gary Oldman, Steven Soderbergh Aaron Sorkin, and Gwyneth Paltrow DYING. What more can you ask for in a two-month period? If that doesn’t ring your goddamn bell, then your clapper is broken. It just blows my fucking mindhole that anyone could watch the trailer for Drive and respond with a “meh” or worse, make a boneheaded analogy between a Nicolas Winding Refn film and Fast and Furious: Tokyo Drift. In what fucking birth canal were you stuck in for the first three years of your existence that you could watch that trailer and compare it to a goddamn Paul Walker movie?

But that’s the thing now. To borrow a phrase from Ben Folds, it’s the battle of who could care less. There’s this sense of urgency out on the Internet to see who can register their indifference the quickest. It used to be “First! First!” and now it’s “Meh. Meh! Look at me! I don’t care!” Cynicism I understand; Hollywood burns us every fucking day and we have every reason to distrust. But this is pure negativity, and I don’t get it.

We have our iPads and our iPhones and basically the entire goddamn world at our fingertips now, and the best that many can muster is boredom. What the fuck, folks? Where’s your sense of passion? Have you been beaten down so many times by your entertainment options that you’ve just given up? Show me on the doll where Green Lantern touched you?

There’s a certain irony to the fact that a lot of this attitude comes out of this anti-hipster mentality. Anything that smacks of twee or preciousness or actual honest emotion is smacked down with a sort of hostile indifference. Wait? Is that a Muse song? PASS. The irony is that — beyond the tight pants and the knit caps and the sweater vests — this is exactly what hipsterism represents: An indifference, a void, an absence of give-a-shit. You’re just too fucking cool to care about Drive or Like Crazy or The Ides of March, huh? Can you imagine if this mentality had pervaded earlier generations? Jean Paul Sartre would’ve been like, “Hell is other people. Or whatever.” FDR would’ve given a big “meh” to Nazis. Nietzsche would’ve come up with a totally different form of nihilism: “Life has no meaning, whaddya gonna do?” Upton Sinclair would’ve walked through Chicago’s meat packing district and offered a big yawlping, PASS.

I don’t mind when people complain and bitch and throw shit at me. That’s great! Get it out. Tell me to go fuck myself. Or if you see a trailer that annoys the shit out of you, say why. Illustrate your point. Likewise, if something speaks to you, don’t be a ninny. Express those feelings. Use too many exclamation points. If someone gives you shit for it, tell them to go fuck themselves. Anything is better than “meh” or “whatever” or “PASS.” Take your goddamn PASS and blow it out your ass.

There’s a frequent commenter here on Pajiba. He goes by the name Protoguy. He’s got cancer. He’s going through chemo. He can’t taste anything. I don’t even know if he can eat anymore. He’s also an asshole. But you know what I love about Protoguy? He’s passionate about being an asshole. If he’s as half as passionate about kicking that cancer as he is about being an asshole, I think (and hope) he’s going to be fine. That’s admirable, people. I mean that. On the other hand, what you don’t hear Protoguy is “Meh.” Or “whatever.” Because that’s some weak indifferent bullshit, and it’s exactly that kind of apathy that’s killing Internet dialogue. So fly that asshole flag, people. Or show some enthusiasm. Just do me a favor and swallow those “whatevers” because nobody gives a shit about your indifference.









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Comments

I don't want to see any of those movies.
I could say that
or I could say "pass"
or "blah" "meh" "yawn"
or any string of sounds that indicate my disinterest. Not because it's cool to be disinterested, but because those films are not for me. I ain't no hipster/hater. Wake me when Conan hits the theater.
PS. That Moneyball movie looks boring as fuck. Did I really have to say that?

Posted by: ChickaBoom! at August 2, 2011 3:13 PM

"In what fucking birth canal were you stuck in for the first three years of your existence that you could watch that trailer and compare it to a goddamn Paul Walker movie?"

I found that completely satisfying.

Posted by: Rob at August 2, 2011 3:15 PM

I kind of love you a little bit right now.

We have our iPads and our iPhones and basically the entire goddamn world at our fingertips now, and the best that many can muster is boredom.

I don't understand the boredom. Maybe we're trained to wait for the entertainment to come to us and no longer have the skills to make it up ourselves? We just want to push buttons and stare rather than think about...well, anything.

I don't get it dude, but I share your righteous indignation.

Posted by: Sbrown at August 2, 2011 3:18 PM

LONG-time lurker, but this really made me want to post today. I can't agree more with the article. It's very sad that things like enthusiasm and positivity can be seen as uncool and undesirable. This pervasive attitude isn't just killing internet dialogue, it genuinely robs people of truly enjoying anything.

For similar reasons I can't stand "my bad". It is a flimsy excuse for an excuse, a token acceptance of responsibility that communicates little to no responsibility, care or understanding. It just makes the person who screwed up feel better, and puts the onus on others to 'not get so worked up about it'. Complete bullshit.

Posted by: NaboosTurban at August 2, 2011 3:18 PM

I'm really glad you wrote this, Dustin. It is ridiculously frustrating to try to engage someone on a topic and all they offer is a dismissive "whatever/meh/pass". It's not just a lack of attention to the topic, it's insulting to the person who's trying to talk to you. It's nice to see that you care this much. I'm with you 100%.

Posted by: b at August 2, 2011 3:19 PM

Dustin Rowles has no business whatsoever judging others for being sneering, dismissive pricks.

Posted by: Obvious Sock Puppet at August 2, 2011 3:21 PM

I think it's because we have all this fabulous technology at our fingertips that we have become so complacent and bored. At times, it seems creepily to me it's that way by design. (I really hope not.)

Or maybe it's all the mood stabilizers we're on.

The "meh" thing is just so damn lazy. You can't motivate yourself to type, "I watched the Drive trailer, and it didn't interest me. It's not my kind of film, because I secretly love The Notebook and if I go see a Ryan Gosling film or express interest in one, then they'll KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!"

Posted by: bev rage at August 2, 2011 3:22 PM

There's a point in all of this that isn't quite so obvious. The problem isn't the APATHY, per se, it's the drive to make that apathy KNOWN.

ChickaBoom! is a prime example of that here. He didn't have to say *anything* but he felt so effing compelled to speak for all the apathetic morons out there.

I don't particularly enjoy commenting on any internet forum from here to anywhere, but I'm making an exception this time, partly because I think Pajiba deserves my attention, but mostly because this subject rocked my socks off.

Posted by: Ren at August 2, 2011 3:23 PM

I prefer deafening silence to whatever effort it takes to reply, "Whatever". It's really quiet around my house.

Posted by: DenG at August 2, 2011 3:23 PM

The most reoccuring thought I had after reading the comments after yesterday's post was "God people, get over yourselves."

I agree, if none of those movies looked interesting to you say so. Why not throw out one that you are excited to see? Open a discussion at least. Jesus it's okay to care (in one way or another) about shit.

Posted by: legib at August 2, 2011 3:25 PM

Oh, and "Obvious Sock Puppet"? If you think Dustin is a "sneering and dismissive prick", why the are you even here? Is it for the snacks? The lemonade?

Posted by: legib at August 2, 2011 3:29 PM

I'm not an asshole, I just play one on the internet :P

Posted by: Protoguy at August 2, 2011 3:29 PM

Also? If you don't want to be met with people's indifference to your oh-so-precious I'm-a-cineaste posturing, then don't enable comments on your articles, asshole. What's more, you can get the fuck off the internet and jack off into a copy of Cahiers du Cinema for all I care. Nobody outside your little circle of ass-lickers here give a rat's asshole about your sneering, self-congratulatory, sophomoric little website.

So, yeah. Whatever.

Posted by: Obvious Sock Puppet at August 2, 2011 3:30 PM

I'm not a meh-user (I think we should coin that phrase and perhaps we'll start thinking that meh-users have rotting teeth).
I dislike anything that excuses people from communicating in correct sentences with appropriate punctuation (which is why I never respond to comments by a certain too self-aware commenter who apparently thinks intentional mis-spelling is cute).
But many times when one posts why one dislikes/isn't interested in a poster/film/trailer, etc., it invites a flurry of childish posts accusing one of all sorts of evil just for not liking the same thing as the person now posting.
Maybe "meh" is sometimes the Swiss option.

Posted by: PaddyDog at August 2, 2011 3:30 PM

Oh oh. I feel a banning binge coming on. Can we exchange "squee" for "whatever" please?

Posted by: Scully at August 2, 2011 3:32 PM

Oh oh. I feel a banning binge coming on. (Can we exchange "s q u e e" for "whatever"?)

Posted by: Scully at August 2, 2011 3:32 PM

Whatever

Posted by: Kerminy at August 2, 2011 3:33 PM

And, if I can go on just a little more about the problem with kids these days...this article reminded me of something I recently read by Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi, who coined my new favorite word (autotelic).

Many of the things we find interesting are not so by nature, but because we took the trouble of paying attention to them.

In this context, I consider boredom to be a personality flaw - and a fixable one at that.

Posted by: Sbrown at August 2, 2011 3:36 PM

I opted not to comment on that post because I've already said my peace on the trailers that interested me. If I'm going to say "pass," I'm going to explain myself before I use "pass" to mean "I will not be seeing this in theaters." I would not just post "pass" because that's a dick move.

Posted by: Robert at August 2, 2011 3:37 PM

While I agree with Dustin on this, why are you guys giving ChickaBoom! shit on this? I read the response, he doesn't want to see the movies because it's not something he wants to see, so if someone can say they are SUPER STOKED for something, why can't someone say that they aren't?

Ready to sit back and take the flames, but whatever, I'm just annoyed at everything today.

Posted by: michaelceratops at August 2, 2011 3:37 PM

This blase attitude, in my opinion, is what let The Smurfs beat a movie like Cowboys & Aliens at the box office. The target audience is far too jaded and enthusiastic about nothing. With reference to the films of this coming fall and winter, I personally believe that this year's awards season is going to be the best in quite some time. There are so many films I'm excited about I won't have time to see them all.

Posted by: weetiger3 at August 2, 2011 3:37 PM

I haven't seen "pass" on the internet. I guess I'm just behind.

I do agree about the 'whatever' thing. Well...I mostly just hate it when people use it off the internet.

Posted by: Candee at August 2, 2011 3:38 PM

While I completely agree with this article and think you articulated your arguments well, I keep taking issue with this --

Generation Internet

Is it really necessary to call us that? I've noticed that you've been using that phrase a lot lately, along with Generation Click and variations thereof. It's hard not to find it condescending and a little insulting especially since me and my peers are constantly being accused of being lazy computer-addicted morons. And now "whatever" is our rallying cry?

It's bothersome when people paint with such broad strokes. Maybe I'm taking this a wee bit personally because I'm sick to death of older generations saying we're all apathetic with no formed opinions on anything.

Posted by: beckster at August 2, 2011 3:42 PM

I am completely in sympathy with your feelings and I enjoyed your rant.

That said, I was overjoyed at the coining of the word "meh". Sadly for me, with or without mood stabilizers, my overwhelming reaction to most things genuinely is "Meh." I don't really get excited about much, nor do I truly hate many things.

How about every time I have the urge to say "Meh," I say "Butthole" instead?

Posted by: MM at August 2, 2011 3:42 PM

*Slow clap* Well said my friend, well said.

Posted by: Caltroit at August 2, 2011 3:43 PM

I love this post. You should really print this out and hang it on your refrigerator.

I never understood the point of people wasting the energy it takes to leave a comment (sometimes even going through the trouble of creating an online profile to do so) just to say, "Whatever," "Who cares?" or any variation of that. I just don't understand why some people care so much about letting us all know how little they care about everything. Unless they're just really big fans of irony.

Posted by: BeckEye at August 2, 2011 3:44 PM

Just theoretically speaking: If one does have a genuine lack of interest, couldn't one, I dunno, go about one's day without feeling the need to register one's disinterest in a public forum, even if it isn't derived from hipsterism? We might like assholes around here (thank the gods), and expressing disinterest for the sake of simply doing so still makes you an asshole... it just makes you one that only farts and never poops. Which is smelly, crude, and mostly useless.

This level of petulant couldn't-care-lessness is happening outside the anonymity of the internet, as well. I recently dealt with a guy at a comic book convetion who said "PASS" and walked away, after I described my comic to him upon his request after flipping through the pages and checking out my artists' work. If you're a fan of comic books, why would you go a comic book convention, head directly for the artist's alley, ask an artist about their work, and then say "PASS" because whatever it was didn't click with you? A nod of the head and a "Thanks, anyway, brother" communicates the same message without also being dickish.

/themoreyouknow

Posted by: RobP at August 2, 2011 3:45 PM

KICK CANCERS ASS PROTOGUY.

Posted by: Nadine at August 2, 2011 3:45 PM

That's funny. Assholes bitching and griping that someone's an asshole. A black hole of assholery sucking in on itself.

The way I look at it, why bother expressing an opinion if you can't take the time to include the 'why'?

I have been guilty of saying 'meh' quite often, but in a different context. In chat or forum where it's more conversation than discussion or opinion. I come here because I like a good argument/discussion/pissing match, not to express my boredom with the world. I dunno, even the things that bore me, I'm passionate in my boredom.

I think some of the problem is something I've said before - perspective. I grew up in the 70's where there was no cable, no cell phones, no game consoles. Boredom was sitting outside moaning and groaning because there was really nothing to do. Of course there were things to do, but the options were a lot more limited than they are now. And yeah, I do see the last few generations as a bunch of whiney babies who don't know how good they've got it. But I guess my grandparents thought the same of my generation. Plus c'est change...

Posted by: Protoguy at August 2, 2011 3:47 PM

"Whatever" is a great way to end an argument you don't feel like having by agreeing to disagree.

But why would anyone make a comment of "whatever" on a blog. My prob is I'm so opinionated that I must share my scintillating thoughts with everyone, everywhere. To utter a "whatever" means I would have no opinion at all, so why bother existing and thinking and breathing.

By the way Dustin, those trailers all looked good. No superheroes, no shit blowing up, no creepy aliens, no money-sucking sequels. I might even go to the movies again.

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 2, 2011 3:49 PM

I don't want to see any of those movies.
I could say that
...

Yes, ChickaBoom! , saying that is actually so much more helpful than "meh" or "whatever" or "YAWN," etc., because you're making a personal statement of your own opinion of those movies. You're actually taking the first step in a discussion. And as Dustin pointed out, the other "comments" (and I use the term loosely) are discussion stoppers. If you're not actually interested in discussing things, I'm not sure there's a purpose in commenting in the first place.

As for this:
PS. That Moneyball movie looks boring as fuck. Did I really have to say that?

Well, that's where I resist the urge to call you a crack-smokin' fool, because I think that movie looks GREAT. Maybe you didn't read the book, maybe you don't like baseball, maybe you have a thing against Brad Pitt, but I'm telling you, every time *I* see that preview, I get downright giddy.

Posted by: tamatha at August 2, 2011 3:49 PM

Oh, and Dustin, THANK YOU for this post and for yesterday's fall previews post. I thought most of them looked excellent and I shared your excitement. (I just didn't have a chance to say so because I was walking out the door.)

Posted by: tamatha at August 2, 2011 3:51 PM

I would like to start by saying that I generally value Dustin's opinion, which is part of why I frequent Pajiba. However, having said that, I think this post screams more than a little of "Aww, somebody had his feelings hurt." Now, that's fine, seeing as this is your blog and you can write whatever the hell you want. But similarly, those responding are also free to write whatever the hell they want, and why should you take it personally if they're not interested in the same things you are? That's why there's more than one movie out there.

Let us take, for example, Drive. Your opinion of this movie is quite clear, and I'm happy for you. But I resent the implication that I am somehow stupid or ignorant or ill-educated or not a true fan of movies or anything else just because I don't think the movie looks interesting at all. TO ME. For one thing, I don't like a lot of violence. That scene toward the end where Gosling (don't get the appeal here, either) is about to put something through someone's head? No thank you. I don't like movies where people get stuck in a bad situation and then do a million other bad/stupid things to try and get out of it. Finally, based on the trailer and despite an impressive cast, the movie looks like every other heist movie ever made to me. I do apologize for my opinion, and if you would prefer two paragraphs explaining why as opposed to a simple "pass," because that somehow offends you, hey, that's cool. I like hearing myself talk too.

But words are just words. You labeled "pass" condescending and dismissive. I label it efficient. It only has to do with MY opinion, and not with any attempt to question or fault your taste in movies, UNLIKE your diatribe up there about how I must be a fucking moron for not wanting to see [insert movie here]. I'm not too cool, I'm too easily squicked-out and made uncomfortable by unpleasantries. Excuse the fuck out of me. Great way to encourage readership, dude.

I kind of agree with you about "whatever," though.

Posted by: Samantha at August 2, 2011 3:54 PM

I agree with this essay's points wholeheartedly, and the comments about boredom being a manifestation of personal disinvestment in the world are quite apt. The world and our culture are both multifaceted, marvelous, and full of profundities, absurdities, and simple silliness - all of which deserve our attention. The more you engage with the world, the less bored or apathetic you will be. I'm not arguing that everyone should see every movie but rather, that a willingness to be open to new experiences (be they mediated or not) is the very heart of life.

Posted by: Miranda at August 2, 2011 3:54 PM

Is it...

(A) Consider the atmosphere of over-emotive after-school specials and Very Special Episodes we grew up with. Caring about things has been made to feel juvenile. Things that are nice or carry some kind of message feel like they were spoonfed to us. And that's why my personal favorite entertainment usually revolves around failure. It's fun to think about but it contradicts taking the effort to put things into words. Just give us something to complain about and throw our money at.

(B) We've become so dependent on having other people validate our opinions on the Internet that we get better results if we don't elucidate anything. A "yay!" or "meh" gets you more Likes, +1s, etc. so all your friends will know how in-the-know you are.* 50% odds on someone sharing your opinion make you feel like a pop-culture genius!

I wish it was A but we all know it's B.

*However, if you guys ever implement some Gawker-Media-like dickery of "approved commenters" with fancy little stars so that all the "Meh's" and "Yawns" don't get a fair shake, I will throw Hollywood into the ocean.

Posted by: LEROOOY at August 2, 2011 3:55 PM

But what if I say it ironically? Or whatever.

Posted by: Kiala at August 2, 2011 3:57 PM

Love the post. I totally agree. It annoys me when people comment just to show their indifference whereas I think true indifference would keep them from posting at all.

Posted by: Sassafrass Green at August 2, 2011 3:57 PM

beckster, don't worry. Every generation hates the label that the previous generation gave them. Or, I do anyway. I've always found the term Generation X to be grating to my ears.

Posted by: Paultera at August 2, 2011 3:58 PM

Have you been beaten down so many times by your entertainment options that you’ve just given up?

It feels that way sometimes. So much drivel, so much derivative crap gets put out there that it's hard to muster up any excitement. You get overwhelmed to the point of simply shutting down and saying - well, saying one of those words up there that you hate.

From the sound of it, your trailer column yesterday should've been a highlight, but I can't watch video at work so I am unable to judge. And I didn't visit the site from home. I'm a bad Pajiban, aren't I?

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at August 2, 2011 4:02 PM

Although I do love the message of this post (as I've already mentioned), since my first comment, I went back and looked at the movie trailer post that started it all. And you know what? Not one person left a comment saying "Whatever." Not one. There were some mehs in there, but that wasn't your chief gripe. Not that you still don't have a point about "whatever" being supremely irritating, but in this case, maybe it's best not to name that trailer post as the impetus for this one, lest everyone assume that you're simply pissed that they aren't as excited about these films as you are.

Posted by: BeckEye at August 2, 2011 4:03 PM

What are you talking about, Paultera?! "Generation X" sounds like you belong to a team of super mutants! I'd kill your entire graduating class just to move a few notches up into that grade.

"Millennials" my ass, McBain.

Posted by: RobP at August 2, 2011 4:05 PM

Sassafrass Green, well said.

Posted by: mswas at August 2, 2011 4:06 PM

Oh dear, I wonder what it says about me that I don't think Protoguy is an asshole.

Anyway, I've got a co-worker that loooooves slinging platitudes around, such as "it is what it is", So whenever he gets fed up with me for picking nits and he throws the dreaded whatever! in my direction, I like to reply with "it is what it is." I think I nearly have him broken.

Posted by: snapnhiss at August 2, 2011 4:09 PM

Today is apparently my day for long ranty posts tangentally related to the actual topic. Gather round and I'll tell a little story of a post on a message board that led to me yelling at my computer. A poster on a car board asked if he should buy a Chrysler Crossfire or an Audi TT

The first post was "With all the cars on the market, these are the two you've chosen? Meh."

This is so wrong on so many levels. Did this advance anyone's position? No. Did it need to be be posted? no. Did it make the poster feel superior to everyone, because obviously he's much more versed in car lore? yup. This happens all the time. Being haughty and superior is much more important than just being helpful. I want to blame the faceless nature of posting comments and the wall of separation-most of you are just words on the screen to me (except for Skitz-he's more of a force of nature) and it's frankly easier to be an ass. But why? How does it help? All that I'm saying people is obviously the Crossfire is better.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at August 2, 2011 4:09 PM

Show me on the doll where Green Lantern touched you?

Dustin, I touched noone. I swear. I was on monitor duty at the JLA...

Posted by: Green Lantern at August 2, 2011 4:11 PM

As NaboosTurban above, I'm a long-time lurker as well, but I genuinely do not get excited by many things (to clarify, I don't consider this a good thing, it's just how I've always been since a child). As such, I have a bit of a different perspective.

You wrote an entire article on how much you don't care about others' apathy?

Bullshit. The existence of the article itself is a contradiction of that claim.

I don't care about many things, but one person telling everyone else how they're supposed to behave pisses me off like little else. If we don't like the trailers you post, and tell you so, so what? People have different tastes. Do you really think that all these commenters on a movie blog really are apathetic towards all movies? I can assure you they're not. They just didn't like the ones you posted yesterday. Personally, I don't find movies about business or politics to be even slightly interesting. I find them exhausting and aggravating. And sports have always struck me as ridiculously stupid, even when I was young (I realize other people enjoy them, so maybe I'm missing a gene or something).

Here are the reasons why I don't care about each of the trailers you posted:

#7: Don't like watching sports in real life, let alone movies about sports (and absolutely not business behind sports)
#6: Male dominates over group of females physically and psychologically? Sorry, too disturbing for me (I don't watch any horror or gory movies either).
#5: Contagion? I'll probably watch it on DVD, but I'm not convinced Hollywood can properly handle making a truly thrilling infection outbreak movie.
#4: Ides of March? With the political climate right now, I'm surprised anyone can stomach anything related to politics, movie or no.
#3: 50/50? Dramedy, huh? Another for watching on DVD. Interesting premise, but not anything that I'd call exciting.
#2: Despite the excellent cast-list, it looks like a B-list spy thriller. Sorry?
#1: Another for DVD renting. I like the Goose. Looks like he'll be good, but again, don't feel excited, just moderately interested.

Posted by: John Forsberg at August 2, 2011 4:13 PM

Again Sassafrass beats me to the punch. I think "meh" to myself all the time but can never be bothered to actually type it out.

Posted by: JenVegas at August 2, 2011 4:17 PM

I'd kill your entire graduating class just to move a few notches up into that grade.

I hated a lot of people in my class. Be my guest.

Posted by: Paultera at August 2, 2011 4:21 PM

Thanks Nadine!

Personally, I think it's funny that so many are upset over someone else's opinion. I get that they feel it is directed at them, but some seem to think that defending their position means attacking the other, rather than explaining their own stance.

It's more than just a case of not understanding how debate or discussion works, it's the same intellectual laziness that Dustin was talking about to begin with.

His opinion that you should be more interested in the movies presented is just that: opinion. But the main gist of the piece is not that, and focusing on it comes across as small and petty.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 2, 2011 4:24 PM

If, as you say, you don't care that we don't care, you would not have written this article to tell us how much you don't care. Up your own ass much?

Posted by: The Kilted Yaksman at August 2, 2011 4:25 PM

You have caused me to have a moment of self-doubt. I often add a sarcastic "or whatever" to the end of my sentences because I find it to be a ridiculous qualifier that people often use to mitigate their opinions because they have to keep themselves one ironic remove from actually seeming like they care, or whatever.

But to people who don't know that I'm joking, I probably seem like that "whatever" girl, and maybe I just have Stockholm Syndrome and am already that girl and haven't just admitted it to myself.

In conclusion, I love you, or whatever.

Posted by: Rachel at August 2, 2011 4:27 PM

snapnhiss, thanks! My husband is an is-what-it-is fan. For dismissive purposes, I like the universally adaptable and inoffensive "How 'bout that?".

Posted by: DenG at August 2, 2011 4:35 PM

*Pfft.*

Posted by: 7th at August 2, 2011 4:36 PM

ChickaBoom! is a woman, for the record. No, I didn't read the Moneyball book. I saw the trailer, and I am not paying money to see that movie. But I hope you enjoy it, Moneyball anticipators.

Look, it's unfortunate when you want to have a conversation and others don't, but generalizing and insulting don't create that conversation. What it does create is defensiveness, assumption, and argument that results in nothing of any worth at all(well, page views). Having said that, I do think that Protoguy's comments are good to read and that I hope he beats that cancer, too.

Posted by: ChickaBoom! at August 2, 2011 4:36 PM

Good on your head, Dustin.

There's nothing that bothers me more than apathy. I would so much rather someone completely disagree with me (about movies, politics, religion, etc) and engage in an actual argument than decide they're too cool to be bothered thinking about it. I can only imagine how frustrating this would be after writing a well-thought-out review.

Posted by: Meghan at August 2, 2011 4:37 PM

I think some are missing the point entirely.

John Forsberg - what you've written there is exactly what he's bitching about. The idea that instead of saying what you've said, you might have said "meh" or "whatever", as many do. But it seems it took a meltdown for you to take the time to actually write it out. It's your prerogative to not say anything, but that's not the point of this place really.

The comments section of a forum or blog or whatever you want to call Pajiba is where it comes to life. Maybe you just like reading the article itself, but it's written in hopes of getting a response, of opening a discussion or an argument or a fight, not stale, discussion stiflers like "whatever".

Maybe it's because I've been in his place before, but this is his baby, and he's passionate about it. He doesn't write to see himself write, he writes to get a response, whether it's vanity and he wants people to agree with him or it's simply that he wants his site to be lively or successful or that he just likes a good fight; "meh" kills all that.

I write in my own blog for many reasons. It's my form of therapy, writing it down. It's a way for friends and family to know my progress. It's also my way of expressing my feelings to others. I clearly write as though I'm talking to someone because I want people to read it. That's likely vanity as well. I want people to know what I'm going through. Some people talk to others, complain verbally, express their opinions face to face. I don't. My roommate is always complaining that I don't complain enough, with what I'm dealing with. I just don't work that way. And I love every comment I get. That's the point. To know someone cares enough to say so. Even if it's to say they don't care, though obviously that's not as nice as the other. Validation? Vanity? Ego? Yeah, probably all. What part of public expression isn't?

Posted by: Protoguy at August 2, 2011 4:40 PM

I agree with everything in the article. Also, Nicolas Winding Refn is an amazing director and someone worth getting excited over. Check out his Pusher movies, Valhalla Rising and especially Bronson as Tom Hardy is so goddamn amazing in that film.

Posted by: asdff at August 2, 2011 4:43 PM

"The Word that Turned the Entire Internet Into Sneering Dismissive Pr*cks"
"Whatever!"
"I don’t care that you don’t care."

That's right Dustin. Let the fools have their TAR-TAR sauce!

Posted by: peanut at August 2, 2011 4:45 PM

If, as you say, you don't care that we don't care, you would not have written this article to tell us how much you don't care. Up your own ass much?

It's not solely that he doesn't care that you don't care, because it's clear that you don't care that he doesn't care that you don't care. It's more that we don't care that you don't care that he doesn't care that you don't care. But it's the compulsive need to share the fact that you don't care that he doesn't care that you don't care that tends to make others care that you don't care that he doesn't care that you don't care. You know?

Posted by: branded at August 2, 2011 4:46 PM

Before I comment, I have 2 things to say. 1) I rarely comment here, because I know no one really gives a shit, and 2) I come here for 2 reasons, Dan Carlson and the comments (I like ya Dustin, I do, but I have my loyalties.)

Sometimes Jibans like movies I hate, and sometimes they hate movies I love. Our excitement is not shared, but the passion, and the snark is. I was never more disappointed then yesterday when I saw all these interweb people I respected (ya know, for internet people) post NOTHING. I can be an eloquent too, I just need to post a nothing phrase at the right time?

Good news is, I no longer think my opinions are second class. They are certainly worth more then a lack of opinion.

Posted by: Theresa at August 2, 2011 4:46 PM

I commend branded for his/her exceptional use of the apostrophe.

Posted by: mswas at August 2, 2011 4:54 PM

This needed to be said. Great read, Dustin.

But most importantly, kick cancer's ass Protoguy. I always enjoy reading your comments.

Posted by: THRILLHO at August 2, 2011 4:54 PM

How the hell am I supposed to hit 1000 comments this year if I can't just post "Meh"? My time is precious, and I can't waste it coming up with 5 to 10 words that form a coherent sentence to express an opinion or idea.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at August 2, 2011 5:05 PM

Tokyo Drift is the best one because it actually isn't a Paul Walker movie, in addition to featuring totally bitchen drifting schmooves. Radical, bro.

Saying "meh" is a waste of time, I'll grant you. Should I stop expressing my lazy approval? Doesn't "looks dope" do nothing to advance a conversation as well? Do you see where I'm trying to go here.

Anyway a lot of the time I don't comment at all and just lurk because I have nothing real to say. And when I do there's no way to keep track of the point that one entered the thread, like a forum generally offers. So the issue as I see it is that Rowles wants this to be a forum when in fact it's a comment thread. The form itself doesn't facilitate the function you want it to serve.


Anyway Drive looks great. I quote that last line. Moneyball interests me more than I thought it would. All of them look watchable.

Posted by: HappyGobo at August 2, 2011 5:11 PM

whatever

Posted by: reaperslogic at August 2, 2011 5:19 PM

"I fight cynicism. It's too easy. It's really boring. It's much harder to be positive and see the wonder of everything. Cynicism is a bunch of people who aren't as talented as other people, knocking them because they make them feel even more untalented."


Ewan McGregor

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at August 2, 2011 5:20 PM

reaperslogic, that's about as clever as when people read a negative review and chortle to themselves as they post "So you didn't like it?". Make an effort, dude. It will be appreciated.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at August 2, 2011 5:23 PM

So, it's basically all the fault of Clueless for making that particular Valley-speak popular? I don't know who is to blame for "meh" nor why it seems so difficult for people to either explain why they are not excited about the movies or keep their lack of excitement to themselves. It's not that folks didn't like the trailers (which would be totally okay), but that they felt compelled to express boredom and nothing else. Folks, that is some boring shit right there. Cut it out.

Posted by: Reba at August 2, 2011 5:32 PM

>RobP We might like assholes around here (thank the gods),

And Boobies, and lips, and abs, . . .

Posted by: spljt at August 2, 2011 5:38 PM

I love you so much right now that I would totally have your gay baby. You just replaced Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Neil Patrick Harris. You're like some kind of awesome god, not one of those mediocre ones like Thor or Jesus.

Show me on the doll where Green Lantern touched you. XD

Posted by: Harborwolf at August 2, 2011 5:38 PM

Almost exactly what Samantha and BeckEye said above.

Before commenting, I went back to the trailer article and watched every trailer, read every comment. What I noticed was a distinct LACK of the offending disinterest mentioned in DR's rant above. Sure, there were one or two of those kinds of responses, but it seemed mostly like people just weren't getting the kind of movie boners DR expected when he posted the article. The article above screams of "why can't you people recognize my genius?!" hurt feelings, as did the caps lock seizure DR had in the comment section for the trailers yesterday.

I really like Pajiba overall. I like that the reviewers give some actual goddamn thought to their reviews, and I love the sense of community that's developed in the various comment sections (I don't comment often, as I generally feel outclassed in the thoughtfulness/humor depts., but I love to read some of them). And though I frequently disagree with his opinions, I think DR often has some truly insightful things to say about films and the state of the film industry in general. But I also think he can be a bit of a "take my ball and go home" type when people don't line up behind his viewpoint. And hey, it's his internet ball, so I know that's well within his rights. But you can't claim to want an open dialogue with your readers and then browbeat and condescend to them when they disagree with your viewpoint.

There's a level of disingenuousness that comes across in some of DR's reviews that can be grating. He's clearly biased against both comic book movies (as TK himself has pointed out, requiring not one but TWO reviews of some comic book movies) and horror. The whole The Woman debacle is a perfect example. I just reread the "review" he did of the movie, and he didn't even stay through the whole thing to find out there were more layers than he assumed. Does that mean that the elements of the film were agreeable, or that it was automatically a good movie because he didn't stay? Absolutely not. I watched it this weekend to see what all the hype was about, and while there were some pretty hard to watch parts, I mostly found it clunky and poorly written. The elements DR said were used as "civilizing" tools (and I won't get into them, as we all know what they are, and also I don't want to start THAT debate again) were products of a sick and twisted character (the father), not a blatant example of misogyny as DR stated. He painted a director as hateful or distrustful of women, when if he had bothered to examine any of that director's other work he'd know that was far from the truth. But he had found a high place from which to address us, the Pajiba peasant class, and he was able to use his favorite cudgel, the Misogynistick, to show what an enlightened and thoughtful modern man he is.

It's the same thing here. He presented his readers with seven trailers for higher brow fare, and when it wasn't met with stunning exclamations of delight and rapture, he unleashed a tirade on those who dared oppose his viewpoint. It says something, I think, that I was more shocked that he had bothered to comment at all than I was by the lack of interest other comments showed.

I agree, if the best you can come up with is a comment of "meh", then maybe you're better off just not commenting at all. But given that that particular response only appeared twice, and in each case within the framework of more detailed comments...I come back to the conclusion of ball-->home.

And for what it's worth at this point, all 7 of those movies look pretty damn good, even Moneyball, and I fucking LOATHE baseball. The first time I watched the Drive trailer, I thought it looked good but not OMGI'MGONNACREAMMYPANTS good like Dustin seems to think it is. I'm pretty excited about Martha Marcy May Marlene, because it looks creepy as hell, and anyone who's read any of my comments in defense of horror knows I like the creepy stuff. All seven of them have one or more actors I LOVE, so yeah, I'm pretty excited about them overall.

Plus, GOOP dies early.

Posted by: JustBill at August 2, 2011 5:38 PM

Bravo! Great article.

Posted by: RedRage at August 2, 2011 5:39 PM

I used "meh" yesterday. And you know what? Get over it.

I have a job. I sometimes have enough time to read something on the site during the day. I don't always have time to write a multi-paragraph response or comment.

So I'll continue to use "meh" or "pass" or "whatever" when I see fit. If I feel like clarifying those statements, I will. If not, I won't.

Posted by: Slash at August 2, 2011 6:00 PM

I love this, Dustin, partly because I fucking LOVE exlamation points and now I can use them here and say, "Dustin said!", but also because I feel like this is more than just an internet thing. I'm in HR. My colleagues and I go nuts trying to engage employees and do fun things to make the day not quite as dull and what we often get in response to contests, newsletters, slushie machines, picnics, etc, is "meh". It's an attitude, not just a word, of complete apathy and indifference; HOWEVER, if you don't provide these things (or in your case, if you don't provide trailers and articles) they are suddenly filled with righteous indignation & complaints that you aren't doing anything to engage them! People have become so spoiled and entitled. "Bring me what I like and don't DARE bring me something that *might* bore me!"

There are thousands, of articles, videos, pictures, etc. that I see on the internet every week. If I were to spend time commenting on everything that doesn't interest me, how in the world would that make sense? This is why I am truly baffled by people who take the time to write "Whatever" or "Meh". Really? You NEEDED everyone to know that here's yet another thing you don't care about? How fascinating you must be!

Posted by: Lainey at August 2, 2011 6:01 PM

...I don't comment often, as I generally feel outclassed in the thoughtfulness/humor depts...

That obviously doesn't stop me.

Posted by: snapnhiss at August 2, 2011 6:20 PM

And just because you insist, I'll expound:

You know what's even more annoying and hipsterish than pretending to not care or not be excited about anything? Getting your intellectual panties in a giant wad because someone expresses something in a way you consider to be inferior or insufficiently emotional.

Man, I really kinda hate the "passionate" assholes. The people who think they've really got it figured out, the "do everything passionately" dipshits.

How do you people notice what anybody else is doing, when you're so far up your own colons, so in love with how PASSIONATELY you feel about EVERYTHING?

Life does not have to be so fucking serious all the time. It really doesn't.

Also, comparing the Nazi takeover of Europe to a movie trailer? Amusing. And not in a good way. More like a "What the fuck is wrong with you?" way.

Posted by: Slash at August 2, 2011 6:21 PM

Awwwww, Dustin just got his first period, *tears* we are so proud!

Don't forget to get the ones with the wings, okay?

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 2, 2011 6:23 PM

The only thing worse than "whatever" is "whatevs." At least be original, people.

Posted by: The Mutt at August 2, 2011 6:32 PM

I think that in a way it's just a courtesy to express yourself in more than an overdone one-word answer. People put a lot of work into the reviews and it's a pain in the ass to hunt up all the trailers and link them. While you don't have to agree, at least some kind of actual point or attempt at a dialogue would be an acknowledgement of the work/thought that went into the writing of the article.

At least, that's how I see it. And I'm not saying that anyone here wants hugs and pats on the back for writing about what they love, but I am saying that since you are reading quality writing, maybe you put in some effort in your comments.

Posted by: TWoPFan at August 2, 2011 6:36 PM

I actually think you passionate motherfuckers need to calm down every once in awhile. Always have to express their opinions as loudly as possible, always have to tell everyone how much you just LOOOOOVE this new thing or OH MY GOD THIS IS THE WORST THING EVER IT HAS RUINED MY CHILDHOOD! Hyperbolic bullshit, whacking off to your own opinions and letting the masses know.

Just let it be sometimes, ya know? So some shitty Kevin James movie came out...so what? You don't need to write a big internet blog about the downfall of creativity in Hollywood and do a deconstruction of the entire industry. It's ok to not give a fuck about Amy Winehouse being dead.

It's ok to just not give a damn.

Posted by: Jeremy at August 2, 2011 6:36 PM

This has been a great conversation; I wish I'd arrived earlier.

I'd like for a moment to focus on the nature of feedback in general: I write short stories. Usually I write horror stories. People asleep in their bed, terrified of what they perceive to be a human shape standing in their closet. Global, population-wide miscarriages and the terror of facing extinction. Stuff like that, but not only stuff like this. I also quite like writing subtly-comedic conversations about mundane things, like making breakfast, which are designed to make you laugh, but which much more often make you go, "Aaand, what was that, exactly?"

As an amatuer (and somewhat poor) writer, I can tell you that there is nothing more frustrating than lazy feedback. Not bad feedback. Bad feedback is still worth something. Bad feedback gives you the ability to improve on some flaw or develop some under-developed skill. Lazy feedback is when people just say, "Oh, yeah I liked it." Or, "Nah, I didn't really like it." But why? Why did you or didn't you like it? What about it? Was it the characters? The plot? Something about the writing? Give me something. Anything.

Dustin runs a website. He does a grand job. But more than that, Dustin is also a writer. He is a story-teller. He is a collector and presenter of minutia. He is a reviewer. He is a complainer. He's all that shit, and he works hard at all that shit. Admirably so.

I can only imagine the endurance it must take to constantly deal with the mutterings of "meh" when he's busting his ass to bring this all to us every week-day. He doesn't just want a thumbs up or down; he wants legitimate feedback. All people want legitimate feedback on the things they work hard on. It's just how we are.

This is that plea. I'll bet dollars to donuts that it isn't just the "mehs" and the "whatevers" that he hates; it's probably also the "cools" and "awesomes" that he's tired of. Mindless feedback of any kind.

For my part, I'm glad you posted this. It's easy sometimes to lazily grunt your approval or disapproval for something. But those are wasted, worthless words. We're all ever-so-much more eloquent than that, and it's about time we were held to higher standards.

Posted by: superasente at August 2, 2011 6:38 PM

im not one to kiss ass but dustin, this post has made me a fan. very sexily said.

Posted by: senseless at August 2, 2011 6:47 PM

But seriously, this insane rant is coming from the guy that loved Abram's Shaky Trek so, you know, I'm finding it difficult to comprehend the hysterics.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 2, 2011 6:52 PM

Guilty as charged! I kinda get it. Dustin puts a lot of creative effort into dismissing most of what comes out of Hollywood these days. So when he actually pretends to be excited about something in the pipeline, I suppose it is bad form to give one word comments. Let's have a four-word minimum for individual comments. So a "Boring" trailer becomes "Seemed boring to me"; "Pass" becomes "I'll pass on that".

Um, is that better.

I will say, when I read the title to this piece, it crossed my mind that DR might be referring to himself.

Posted by: James S at August 2, 2011 6:54 PM

Oh this was righteous, Dustin. Although I feel slightly bad for saying so, the brunt of my appreciation for the article goes to your throw-out to my dad, Protoguy. My dad indeed does play an asshole on the internet, and he has every intention of royally kicking this thing's ass. Cause he's awesome.

I myself tend to be rather outspoken, though here I'm mainly a lurker. /slaps wrist

So thank you Dustin, for standing up for general assholery and reminding people that being an unopinionated pussy on the internet just makes things boring and monotonous.

Posted by: Naimeria at August 2, 2011 6:54 PM

what if I'm bored reading this article?!?! Uh, oh. Here comes a blackhole to suck me into the endless abyss that is my fucking iphone. Fuck the capitol P. I'll poo poo and pee pee till my wee wee tickles and smells or garlic. You'll never know what a free market is unless you lick a butthole. Sneeze on my dick and call me Michael J. Fox because you're a taco salad waiting to be stomped on by an unruly gaggle on nuns with churros up their snatches. Sugary and sweet - you wish you little bitch.

Posted by: Lucas George at August 2, 2011 6:58 PM

Here I was, thinking that The Word that Turned the Entire Internet Into Sneering Dismissive Pr*cks was going to be HIPSTER.

And even if it wasn't, officially, in this article, it still is in my head. Because I've seen it used, in this very thread, very dismissively!

Posted by: Amanda6 at August 2, 2011 7:06 PM

RE superasente "I can only imagine the endurance it must take to constantly deal with the mutterings of "meh" when he's busting his ass to bring this all to us every week-day. He doesn't just want a thumbs up or down; he wants legitimate feedback. All people want legitimate feedback on the things they work hard on. It's just how we are."

If he was writing out reviews by hand on a small sliver of paper and then crossing the Pakistan/Afghanistan border with the reviews lodged in his anus (yeah, I mentioned the butt again, what can I say, it speaks to me; today, anyway), while dodging Al Qaeda death squads, maybe. But I suspect he types them on a laptop in the comfort of his own home/office/local Starbucks. So, no. You don't get to demand certain types of feedback. You get the feedback you get. That's how it is. You know what my feedback is for my hard work? Usually, just a paycheck. And I'm fine with that.

Posted by: Slash at August 2, 2011 7:28 PM

What the fuck, folks? Where’s your sense of passion? Have you been beaten down so many times by your entertainment options that you’ve just given up? Show me on the doll where Green Lantern touched you?

Sir, I believe you just nailed it. The Green Lantern stole my soul. And all the other shit they throw at us.

Pretending that glasses make Jennifer Aniston ugly.

Throwing kajillions of dollars at Michael Bay for making the same movie over and over again with ever diminishing returns for our brain cells.

Approximately 50 goddamn superhero movies.

Possibly 37 remakes.

An estimated 12 upcoming reboots.

The fucking Smurfs.

It hurts. It really hurts. So we try to hide the pain by pretending we don't care!

We're sorry!!!!

*runs from the room, sobbing loudly*

Posted by: greer at August 2, 2011 7:30 PM

"But I suspect he types them on a laptop in the comfort of his own home/office/local Starbucks."


And I bet he wears black turtlenecks as he sips on Dark Chocolate Mocha Frappuccinos.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 2, 2011 7:38 PM

Protoguy- Sorry for taking so long to respond (was at work).

After reading your comment (and others'), and re-reading Dustin's post, I realized that he wasn't arguing against apathy (at least not mainly), but about how expression of apathy is toxic to discussion. I was trying to defend disliking something (without hating it), which entirely missed the point.

I should be even more cautious before I post comments. I apologize. :)

With that said, I still firmly believe that people in communities should feel free to express themselves however they wish, including dismissive comments like that. I like to know when people don't find something interesting (even if I don't learn the reasons). I'll just try a new topic.

Posted by: John Forsberg at August 2, 2011 7:48 PM

am I the only one that read this and thought it sounded like a bitchy kid complaining that no one cared about what he cared about? It almost seems like you're trying to guilt people into liking the trailers that you liked.

Posted by: Ben at August 2, 2011 7:58 PM

RE "am I the only one that read this and thought it sounded like a bitchy kid complaining that no one cared about what he cared about?"

No, you're not.

Posted by: Slash at August 2, 2011 8:06 PM

Its kinda like that Ben, hidden under a message of "Grr, why don't people talk to me :("

Maybe the things you like just aren't that interesting, Dustin.

Posted by: Jeremy at August 2, 2011 8:10 PM

all this attempted guilt-tripping?

fuck, son.

Posted by: gp at August 2, 2011 8:21 PM

Wow...remind me never to post here again. Didn't know I was so universally hated.

Posted by: Meh at August 2, 2011 8:41 PM

I still find it funny that people will pick one sentence out of a thousand and speak to it like that was the entire article.

The bit about Drive was pretty much one or two sentences. The bit about "meh" or "whatever" was maybe a paragraph.

It's also kinda screwed up that, again, people seem to feel it's ok to climb on the pulpit and shit on the man for using the pulpit.

John Forsberg, I only mentioned your comment to illustrate that it was an actual comment, rather than a dismissive "whatever". Nothing against the content of it at all.

I would also point out that even if you think the article is a gripy, self-serving tantrum, it served its purpose. Dat's a lot of comments.

Posted by: Protoguy at August 2, 2011 8:45 PM

To the people who use the following words and phrases: Whatever, my bad, meh, ect., 1998 called and wants their shitty lingo back.

Posted by: dish soap at August 2, 2011 8:51 PM

Firstly, I thought the word was going to be "jealous."

Secondly, Theresa, I know exactly what you are saying.

Posted by: Other Julie at August 2, 2011 8:55 PM

"1998 called and wants their shitty lingo back."


Oh sweet irony, you are a harsh mistress.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 2, 2011 9:10 PM

What if I'm passionate about how boring something is?

For instance, I can't stand the Harry Potter movies. They're mostly boring and shitty. Loved the books, so I'm kinda passionate about how boring the movies are, mainly over how much of a shame it is to waste such a good IP.

There's room for expressing boredom. Seeking status by way of looking bored, yeah, that sucks, but seeking status almost always manifests in some shitty way.

Posted by: Lucas at August 2, 2011 9:10 PM

There was a time when "meh" was acceptable. I even went so far as to compile a list of my favorite variations. It's truly a versatile snarkism. For example:

meh - don care
peh - phooey
beh - sheepish bleat
geh - disgust
heh - small chortle
neh - nope. And of course;
feh - crap

Be creative in your snarky dismissal

Posted by: Protoguy at August 2, 2011 9:18 PM

I'm sure if I never saw movies outside of the mainstream those trailers would look amazing. As it stands, one of those movies I am interested because of the cast and director. The others are rather lack luster.

Drive? Shoot Em Up and Crank 2 trailers looked better. As did the promises they gave. With Drive is their any chance they'll get it right? Find a way to play themselves seriously while still taking the piss throughout? I doubt it. I mean I think the problem is that yes there is an aggressive apathy that seems to be the norm in today's society, but much more we are just content with being impressed by the mediocre. In accepting the bare minimum and loving when someone goes slightly above that. I liked one of those trailers and that is just because I liked what I already know about the movie. The trailer for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy, is in all honesty, rather average. However, I love the cast and director behind it. The rest of those films had pretty weak trailers as well. The trailer for Mary whatever looked alright enough. Decent dvd afternoon movie. However throughout I couldn't help but thinking, Satoshi Kon more than likely did it better. Hell the biggest Kon rip off artist Aronofski(????) probably did it better.

I could go on, but when I actually step outside of one liners and give valid criticisms I'm called a troll or ignored. Then again maybe I'm always ignored but find enough amusement in my own one liners, that I don't even notice.

Posted by: googergieger at August 2, 2011 9:19 PM

Well, this post has definitely broken my long time status as a lurker. I couldn't agree more with the post as well as most of the comments.

Unless I feel like I have something meaningful to contribute, I'd rather say nothing at all.

But I'd like to add that my friend recently began saying "'tevs", as if it was way to much effort to say whatever.

We are no longer friends.

Posted by: Aparently at August 2, 2011 9:24 PM

Oh thank you so much. I now have a story to tell that will explain how much I agree. I was dating this girl a couple years ago that was way out of my league. One day she decided it would be really cool to not care about anything. She started getting mad at me for getting excited about things. Let me outline again how insanely hot this girl was. I dumped her because she decided indifference was cool.

Posted by: A-schaef at August 2, 2011 9:27 PM

Can we throw "it is what it is" in there too? Dumbest waste of words ever.

Posted by: Sara C at August 2, 2011 9:59 PM

Especially considering that it is not what it is.

[mind = blown]

Posted by: superasente at August 2, 2011 10:21 PM

That depends on what your definition of the word, "is", is.

Posted by: googergieger at August 2, 2011 10:25 PM

You know what Dustin? Sometimes you piss me off. It happens. Sometimes you get angry about things that I hold dear and, in my heavily biased opinion, you overdo it. But then sometimes you write something like this piece and you remind me why I come to this site in the first place. Because through all the contempt and the occasional elitism and the recently common typos, you care. I don't usually swear but in your case I'll make an exception. You give a fuck. You really do. And the whole writing staff here is the same way. And that simple fact will bring me back to this site over and over again.

Posted by: AngelArm45 at August 2, 2011 11:28 PM

"Those who bestow sellouthood upon their former heroes are driven to do so by, first and foremost, the unshakable need to reduce. The average one of us - a taker-in of various and constant media, is absolutely overwhelmed - as he or she should be - with the sheer volume of artistic output in every conceivable medium given to the world every day - it is simply too much to begin to process or comprehend - and so we are forced to try to sort, to reduce. We designate, we label, we diminish, we create hierarchies and categories...

But you know what is easiest of all? When we dismiss.

Oh how gloriously comforting, to be able to write someone off...One less thing to think about. Now, how to kill off the rest of our heroes, to better make room for new ones?

And I do not get along with people who say no. When you die, and it really could be this afternoon, under the same bus wheels I'll stick my head if need be, you will not be happy about having said no. You will be kicking your ass about all the no's you've said. No to that opportunity, or no to that trip to Nova Scotia or no to that night out, or no to that project or no to that person who wants to be naked with you but you worry about what your friends will say.

No is for wimps. No is for pussies. No is to live small and embittered, cherishing the opportunities you missed because they might have sent the wrong message...

Because, in the end, no one will ever give a shit who has kept shit 'real' except the two or three people, sitting in their apartments, bitter and self-devouring, who take it upon themselves to wonder about such things..."

-Dave Eggers

Posted by: TheBoy at August 2, 2011 11:37 PM

You know when your buddy really wants you to listen to a song because "you'll really love it, man!", and he keeps bugging you about it, and finally you listen to the song and you really don't care for it? Well, Dustin, the Drive movie isn't out yet (and maybe it'll be awesome,) but right now, the way you're gushing over the trailer, you're like that friend and it's all just a bit much for me. (Did the poster really give that much of a boner? Most of us seem to dislike it.)

Also, I know you did not draw a simile between our appreciation of film/trailers and landmark moments in history and literature...

Posted by: Uriah Creep at August 2, 2011 11:38 PM

I haven't seen Drive yet, but it did win the director's award at Cannes and got mostly good notices from the critics at the festival. It's not some unknown entity that people are shooting a load over just based on the trailer. There's readily available information to back up what the trailer shows. No one is saying this film will cure cancer and end world hunger; they're saying it looks like it might be good based on the trailer and has strong buzz coming out of a major international festival.

This is in direct opposition to the people who immediately dismiss it because it's a car and crime film. No amount of readily available information explaining how it isn't just another Fast and Furious will change their mind. They will dismiss any post based on the new film because they think it's not worth seeing due to genre bias. It's no different than the assholes who get on the bully pulpit over any horror film made in the last ten years with any violence and immediately call it "torture porn." It's a thoughtless knee-jerk reaction that just makes the person look foolish if they don't elaborate on their point.

Dustin isn't saying "either like what I write or shut up." He's asking you to to at least say more than a monosyllabic/single-word response to a big ass post in the name of creating a more interesting discussion for the community at large. A streak of "pass," "meh," or "whatever" can kill a comment section faster than anything else. Express your distaste. Just try to, you know, actually express it. One word is not an opinion; it's laziness.

Posted by: Robert at August 2, 2011 11:55 PM

sometimes I am so mad that I get to the party late for these comment threads... stupid schedule!

As a person who spent a few years teaching middle school (yep, I'm a certifiably crazy person) I can totally understand certain responses making a person go apeshit. For me, it has always been "I don't know" without any kind of explanation. Or, even worse - IDK. And if you had been the student to use that on a test during sixth period on a Friday than you too might have earned from me a similar rant as Dustin dished out today. I understand where he is coming from, from my own experiences, and also from finally getting around to reading the post in question late last night, and then scrolling through th comments and being uninspired. I'm an occasional commenter because sometimes I just don't know what the fuck to say. And I was excited about some of those flicks, and some looked like trash to me, but I did not feel like there was an honest conversation going on, so I didn't join in. This happens pretty frequently around here.

(Also - as someone in her late 20s I also despise the 'generation click' label, and for the record the millenials in question range 1991/1993 - present. Those of use born in the 80s: we're Gen Y. and its a small freakin' generation (1977-1991 maybe) but I do not want to be lumped in with anyone else, even if Gen X has the cooler non-derivative name.)

Posted by: fainringviolet at August 3, 2011 12:06 AM

This article summed up in one phrase:

YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN!

Posted by: duckandcover at August 3, 2011 12:45 AM

What the fuck is wrong with you Rowles? This used to be the place to go for an honest, critical appraisal of the massive deluge of shitty pop culture that we're all swimming in. Now you're throwing a fit that we don't care enough about shit you want us to be excited about?

Are you gonna' blog about it, huh, little girl? Are you gonna' post mean shit about me on your facebook wall now about how you tagged me in a photo and poked me and didn't reply or 'like' your post?

You're a fucking mess and you need to step back and get your head in order; this site has been going downhill for awhile now but we're about to sled into the street on a toboggan lubed with your bullshit.

tl;dr stop becoming everything that's terrible about the internet and get back to doing good, because there's way too much of the bad.

Posted by: Salad_Is_Murder at August 3, 2011 1:05 AM

I agree "whatever" is a way of ending a conversation you don't want to continue. But if no one's specifically asking you to continue the conversation anyway, why bother posting "Whatever"?
There are many, many sites on the internet devoted to topics I don't care about. Would I bother to go to one of those sites and drop a "whatever" or "who cares" on them? No - there'd be no point to doing that.
And on Pajiba there are articles (is that the right word?) I find interesting and others I don't - I might even skip them entirely. Again, I don't just drop a comment into those saying "Whatever. I don't care".

On another point, it is true that the majority of movies are of little interest to me - I do believe Sturgeon's Law.

Posted by: Pat C. at August 3, 2011 3:06 AM

Fuck and Yeah, my king.

They can Meh themselves right into that completely expected coffin in about 40, and shut the emmereffing door. I hope the click is satisfying because the people at the party won't even hear it.

Posted by: replica at August 3, 2011 4:00 AM

Wow. Whole lotta 'waah' in that post

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 4:01 AM

Not caring about a movie is something completely different than saying 'meh' in response.

If you don't like a movie, don't wish to see a movie, or are simply bored by the constant rehash of crap in Hollywood, then say you are, say why you are, or say nothing.

Just don't say 'whatever'.

Posted by: NynjaSquirrel at August 3, 2011 5:36 AM

Thinking a lot about this column today and I have a little game I'd like to share with you. Everytime I read a blog about anything ( Pajiba excepted, that's why I come here) I think of a number in my head and then I read down the comments. I try to see if I correctly guessed the count on the comment that says " who cares". WHO CARES? Why would anyone read the blog if they don't care what it says? What a colossal waste of time. There are columns here that I don't read
( usually Dr. Who, sorry Dustin, or superheroes
) that I don't read because Dr. Who doesn't interest me, but to comment that I don't care? What the fuck? That's just assholes being assholes.

Posted by: kirbyjay at August 3, 2011 6:31 AM

I've been following this site for quite some time now and really ... THANK YOU! I have a little sister growing up in this "whatever"-Generation (yeah, kinda feels that way) and I think I had this exact conversation a dozen times now.

It's just so frustrating how this little word can be an instant kill to ANY conversation you are having. This makes me fuckin' sad.

So go away, all you hipsters and haters - I love someone who can put passion in his life. I love people who embarass themselves in this process but just keep going for the things they love or feverishly fight the things they hate. Because they take part in building (or destroying) something. And that's what makes the world go round.

Posted by: Tina at August 3, 2011 7:29 AM

Pajiba. A place where Dustin conspires to create a 'perfect storm' of perpetual bickering when really he really should be working!

Posted by: peanut at August 3, 2011 8:03 AM

Dustin's deviously clever... the whole point to this was to draw attention to the 'seven most promising movies of the fall" article he felt was unfairly dismissed and underviewed.

Posted by: snapnhiss at August 3, 2011 9:12 AM

I admit to using "whatever","meh", etc in my regualr, day-to-day life. As others have said before me, it upsets a lot of people. Fortunately, most of the time it only involves people I actaully interact with and they have come to realize that is just one of my (many) quirks. When I get called out on it, I tell them that one of my goals in life is to piss off as many people as possible. A short "meh" takes little time to say and requires very little effort but the effect is the same. I decided years ago that indifference is (for me) the easiest way to get through life. That not to say I don't have opinions on certain things, I just choose not to voice them.

Posted by: Kargoyle at August 3, 2011 9:26 AM

I admit to using "whatever","meh", etc in my regualr, day-to-day life. As others have said before me, it upsets a lot of people. Fortunately, most of the time it only involves people I actaully interact with and they have come to realize that is just one of my (many) quirks. When I get called out on it, I tell them that one of my goals in life is to piss off as many people as possible. A short "meh" takes little time to say and requires very little effort but the effect is the same. I decided years ago that indifference is (for me) the easiest way to get through life. That not to say I don't have opinions on certain things, I just choose not to voice them.

Posted by: Kargoyle at August 3, 2011 9:28 AM

Oops, double post.

Meh.

Posted by: Kargoyle at August 3, 2011 9:29 AM

Gotta admit that I hate "my bad" with a passion. It's about as heartfelt as LiLo in a courtroom

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 9:36 AM

Due to different time zones/continents/consumption of summer cocktails I missed all of this but just wanted to shout out to Protoguy with best wishes and keep commenting.
Oh, and apathy's fine as long as you keep it to yourself folks. I have a hard enough time sneeking peeks at Pajiba here at work, so please make your comments worth getting fired over, ok? Cause if I get laid off due to "meh whatevers" I will find a way across the ocean, hunt you down, tie you up and make you watch Bay films on a perpetual loop.

Posted by: cinekat at August 3, 2011 11:02 AM

Hey superasente , have you published any of your writing anywhere? I too write short fiction, largely horror but some other genres as well, so I love to read other struggling writers' works, and I will DEFINITELY provide feedback, 'cause I know how valuable it is. You can click on my comment name to read some of my stuff, if you wish.

Protoguy, I'm sending out good thoughts that you'll kick that disease squarely in its taint.

Posted by: JustBill at August 3, 2011 1:01 PM

It's not just that we're overloaded with media to the point where nothing is interesting anymore, it's the speed with which we're bored (and by "we're" I mean, everyone except me, of course).

I suggested to a friend in a band once that if he wants to know which songs in his set people don't like, have someone stand in the back of the club and watch. As soon as the crowd doesn't like a song the room lights up with supposed "fans" checking email on their iPhones. Jesus criminy, people can't even stand to be bored for THREE FUCKING MINUTES.

I am ,. I am iPhoneless, and I give the band my attention even for the songs I don't like, out of respect.

Or I go take a pee.

Posted by: , at August 3, 2011 1:11 PM

Also, best wishes, ProtoGuy, from a cancer survivor (though I had one of the easily remedied ones).

Gentlemen: Check your sack.

Posted by: , at August 3, 2011 1:12 PM

I once asked the VP of a large corporate entity that I worked for why my employment non-compete contract was being enforced when a majority of other employees with the same non-compete terms were allowed to blatantly flaunt their non-compliance with no repercussions. His answer, "Whatever." Then he fired me for having the temerity to ask.

Using 'whatever" or "meh" just tells me that a person has no thought or comprehension of the subject, but feels the need to comment because to not say anything would allow others to infer their opinion isn't useful or valuable to the conversation, even if they actually have no opinion or interest.

Just to clarify, if you've got nothing to say, no one will notice if you don't comment, but we will think less of you when you feel the need to say nothing.

Actually, I prefer the "whatever" commenters to the a$$holes and trolls. I can read right through them and they don't make my blood boil. Protoguy is given an exemption for obvious reasons as previously stated by DR.

Posted by: Zombie Mrs Smith at August 3, 2011 2:16 PM

So this writer believes "Whatever" began with the internet?
Various other sentiments and phrases like :"Who gives a fuck?" or the old "I don't give shit." which both formulate full sentences implying that the person actually does give a shit, or a fuck. So "Whatever" implies its intention in 1 word. The writer should give a little more respect to "whatever" but really I don't give a rat's ass.

Posted by: billbixbeee at August 3, 2011 2:51 PM

I'm experiencing some deep job dissatisfaction right now too, Dustin. I like this post simply because I'd like to write something similar to the things/people I'm fed up with, but that would get me fired.

Also, if I don't think I'll be interested in a Pajiba post, I simply don't read it. Why be an ambivalent asshole?

Posted by: katy at August 3, 2011 3:15 PM

Meh, whatever. Live by trolling (even on your own website), die by trolling.

Posted by: Jeff in Middletucky at August 3, 2011 4:12 PM

Dustin, you missed the most important reason why commenters should not be apathetic: It's SO much more fun when people get all whacked-out-pissed-off about stuff!

Protoguy, I hope you are putting up a good fight with your cancer. Seeing your daughter (son?) post here was actually moving.

Posted by: Stinky at August 3, 2011 4:30 PM

I dunno. There's something that's seemingly more there to someone that expends the energy to say "Whateva" compared to someone who doesn't care and keeps it to himself.

Posted by: Jerry at August 3, 2011 4:39 PM

Amen! I'd rather read a passionate critique than an apathetic one any day.

Posted by: Cynthia at August 3, 2011 5:47 PM

Thanks for all the good thoughts guys. It means a lot.

Daughter, Stinky :)

Posted by: Protoguy at August 3, 2011 7:45 PM

Go, Protoguy! Pajiba is with you!

My boss says that when I say "whatever" she simply takes it to mean that I'm conceding she's correct.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 3, 2011 9:30 PM

Dustin, I agree with your point on lazy commenting, but having someone piss all over your, enthusiasms is something I am becoming quite familiar with here.

Kick it's ASS, Protoguy. We need you here to elevate the discourse. Fight hard, Eloquent.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at August 4, 2011 8:10 PM

You know what Dustin? Sad to say it, but that is the website you have created.

I can't count the number of times I have 'gone off' Pajiba because of the overly cynical, anti-passion, anti-'life'(!) attitude of many contributors and commenters. I know the website is called 'scathing reviews for bitchy people' but that isn't, or shouldn't be an end in itself. It should be the means to free and honest and yes, even critical, commentary on the movies and shows we no doubt spend too much time thinking about. It shouldn't be an end in itself.

So I'm glad its gotten to the point where its bugging you too. Just remember, it must start at the top.

Posted by: Spartacus at August 5, 2011 1:30 AM

Posted by: qualtinger at August 5, 2011 5:27 AM

http://www.avclub.com/articles/which-is-worse-epic-hyperbole-or-meh,50257/

Oh, and I absolutely passionately hated this article with every fiber of my being. See how much more interesting that is to read than 'meh'?

Posted by: eeeeeeee at August 8, 2011 4:47 PM