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You've Got Spunk. I Hate Spunk: The Allegedly Adorable Dream Girls of Cinema

By Courtney Enlow | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (53)



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A few weeks back JoRo spoke of the worst leading ladies in recent rom-com history. And they are bad. Like spoiled watermelon bad (seriously, is anything worse?) But there is something worse than an entitled twat meeting her match in the rom-com world, and that is lifechanging female. In some forms, she is the manic pixie dream girl. In some forms, she is the still waters calming the rocky boat of our hero. In many forms, she is fucking annoying. And made vastly more by her life-altering properties. Anyone can fall in love with anyone else. It’s crazy human science. But these individuals manage to change the entire life course for the male protagonist along the way, leaving the audience uttering a resounding “…her?”

These are those questionable cuties, the ones apparently worth their weight in gold because, well, we’re told they are.

Claire, Eilzabethtown

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Bitch, you were not worth the scavenger hunt to the farmer’s market. What is the constant need to cast Kirsten Dunst as the kind of girl men fall for like Jenga tiles? She plays every role with this layer of hateful condescension and almost laughable unlikeability that can simply not be written that way every single time, and therefore must either be an ill-decided acting tic, or Dunst is just an asshole.

Allison, The Sure Thing

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I love this movie very much, but dear heavens, I question Gib’s desire for Allison. Smart and driven, and therefore socially robotic, as so many ’80s love interests were, Allison is a stick in the mud who cuts loose later on by flashing a passing car and shotgunning a beer, but none of that makes her any more pleasant. She has two modes: cold and cruel, or infantile. At her most vulnerable, she discusses her childhood dream of becoming a princess, or her goal of buying a cozy farmhouse, and she does so in such a little girl way that I guess we’re supposed to just fall into adorable love with her, but we don’t. It’s not like we want him with blonde bikini girl, but we’re not that wild about this one, either. And thus the only worthy ship in the movie is Gib and these guys.

Sam, Garden State

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Sam is a possibly touched pathological liar, but I loathe her most for but one element: the cute.

I. Hate. Cute.

Let me backspace. I can like cute. I like puppies and non-yelling babies and cupcakes that look like Muppets. But I cannot abide people trying to be cute, or, worse yet, people who think themselves cute. Because they are very nearly almost always wrong.

Oh, you think you’re so adorable because you’re very tiny and wearing large headphones? Somehow your nutter lies are precious because you admit to them like an apologetic little girl, and that makes them okay? And, speaking of little girls, you are of indeterminate age, living at home with mom and quirky pets? I mean, you’re apparently over 21. What is the matter with you? And what is the matter with Andrew that he is so deeply attracted to this ladychild? Shades of creepy awash with enough awesome Shins music that we ignore it all too easily. Also, Braff has creepy subway bad toucher lips.

Diane Court, Say Anything

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This one hurts. Because I don’t like saying one thing against this film. But…seriously…her? We all want to be loved the way Lloyd loves Diane, but I’d have to assume we’d try to earn it more, damn girl. Falling again into the ’80s realm of smart-therefore-socially-retarded, Diane isn’t all that awesome at being a girlfriend, mostly because she’s, depending on how you view it, either a daddy’s girl or a victim of incredibly manipulative child abuse. That doesn’t mean she doesn’t deserve love by any means, but chick has some work to do with the man in the mirror before she goes from devoting herself to one man, to another.

Rita, Groundhog Day

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This is a vote of solidarity to Joanna’s previous list, because I was so thrilled to see someone else call out Andie MacDowell for her tireless efforts in the industry of being the least likeable love interest in the history of film. Andie MacDowell is actually impressive in that she takes boring to such a dull level that it becomes irritating, like being weakly fanned with a sheet of wet cardboard for an hour. I wouldn’t want to spend one day with Rita, let alone countless days attempting to woo her worthless self. The larger problem seems to be this: Bill Murray’s characters all have unspeakably bad taste in women, save for Venkman, and let’s face it, Dana had some issues, too, namely Zuul flare-ups.









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Comments

I don't want to be loved the way Dobler loves Diane. Creepy stalking w/ boombox is unnecessary, and will likely get me in trouble with my landlord for noise violations. Why not write a nice letter? Letters are nice.

And he's already got the pen. -CE

Posted by: StoatCat at July 21, 2011 3:15 PM

There is no Dana. Only ZUUUUUUUUL.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at July 21, 2011 3:16 PM

You've Got Spunk. I Hate Spunk

So...this isn't a list about lesbians?

Posted by: coryo at July 21, 2011 3:17 PM

i for one had a case of the hot shorts for the p.j. soles character in "stripes." i seem to remember thinking that the female lead in "meatballs" was a cool chick, too, although it's been a long, long time.

claire in "scrooged" is played by karen allen. she's always good.

Posted by: matty blue at July 21, 2011 3:19 PM

Well yeah, why do you think it took Murray's character 12,403 of the same day to figure it out? He probably went through a relationship with every woman (and man) in town before finally landing on Andie MacDowell.

http://whatculture.com/film/just-how-many-days-does-bill-murray-really-spend-stuck-reliving-groundhog-day.php

Posted by: LEROOOY at July 21, 2011 3:22 PM

Hey. Dana was a very nice lady who paid them in advance...until she became a dog.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at July 21, 2011 3:25 PM

I fell in love with all these women.
After Elizabethtown I turned to the girl I rented it with and we shared the realization that there are chick-flicks for dudes.

Present dude/chick who doesn't know what they want in life
Present solution in the form of ideal member of opposit sex, who has charm, wit and carfree independence
Introduce conflict
Resolve conflict
Kiss.
Roll credits.

Posted by: superasente at July 21, 2011 3:29 PM

They're carfree. They have no car.

Posted by: superasente at July 21, 2011 3:29 PM

She's got a few quirks. She sleeps above the covers. 6 FEET above the covers.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at July 21, 2011 3:31 PM

I already didn't like Andie MacDowell. Then she drawlwhined at Lyle Lovett, who had a perfectly good reason to be aggrieved. There's no coming back from that.

I think you're right about Allison. Actually, you know Allison and you're quoting Lou Grant? I thought I was a lot older than you!

I'm never going to watch "Garden State", because I don't fucking have to. Thankfully I don't have to worry about it much anymore.

Posted by: Jay at July 21, 2011 3:31 PM

This one hurts. Because I don’t like saying one thing against this film.

Man, you passed up a golden opportunity to say "Because I don't like to say anything against this film" instead. Eh? Eh?

But you totally redeemed yourself with "And he's already got the pen"

Posted by: THRILLHO at July 21, 2011 3:31 PM

I was so thrilled to see someone else call out Andie MacDowell for her tireless efforts in the industry of being the least likeable love interest in the history of film.

I'll never stop asserting that claim.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at July 21, 2011 3:33 PM

@MelBivDevoe -- and I will never stop agreeing with you.

Posted by: Siege at July 21, 2011 3:37 PM

I'm with you, Courtney. It kills me to say anything negative about Say Anything... (my all-time favorite movie), but the first time I saw it, I couldn't believe he was so in love with dull Diane. She becomes more charming the more times you see it, but still.

He gave her his heart and she gave him a pen.

Posted by: Mel C. at July 21, 2011 3:43 PM

I've always assumed Lloyd and Diane broke up later.

There is a point in Eilzabethtown where Dunst first meets Orlando and seems like she's on some of drug due to her being so happy and it's actually kind of enjoyable to watch. I guess I don't get the Dunst hate, or the dislike of the movie. I thought the package she made for him was incredible. It would take me months on end to do something similar because I'm so anal about making mix tapes.

I guess I know too many people in post college transition phase to really hold it against Sam.

Posted by: Matt at July 21, 2011 4:07 PM

1. I was just discussing Groundhog Day with some friends the other day, as you do, and declared that I hated Andie McDowell's character. I actually get really agitated for the last part of the movie where it's all about him proving himself to her. Like...HER? For real? Ugh. To my surprise, everyone agreed and we spent about 10 minutes venting all of the anger we didn't know we were holding in about her.

2. Diane Court was another...her? for me. I agree that she gets more charming the more you watch the movie, but Lloyd falls in love with her after spending one awkward night with her during which she does nothing to earn said devotion other than leave her house. I just wanted Corey to get over that scumbag Joe and go stand outside of Lloyd's room with a boombox hoisted over her head.

I will leave my worldly possessions behind to spread this good word with you. Corey + Lloyd forever. -CE

Posted by: Nicole at July 21, 2011 4:09 PM

Suck it, hater! Some girls are just naturally cute.

Posted by: stacey nosek at July 21, 2011 4:11 PM

Say what you will about his other ladies, but Eleanor Zissou was pretty awesome.

Posted by: Bert at July 21, 2011 4:15 PM

I just wanted Corey to get over that scumbag Joe and go stand outside of Lloyd's room with a boombox hoisted over her head.

YES!

Posted by: tamatha at July 21, 2011 4:23 PM

::slaps you with a white glove::

How dare you insult my Sam.

Pistols at dawn.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at July 21, 2011 4:37 PM

And now for my expected "Common Response to Top 10 Lists" response:

You forgot Ramona Flowers and Summer from "(500)Days of Summer." Don't get me wrong, I love "Scott Pilgrim" and "(500) Days" But the more I watch both films, the more I hate both characters.

Posted by: Single Pringle at July 21, 2011 4:38 PM

So glad that someone shares my hate of Natalie Portman in Garden State. She's not cute, she's just annoying! God, I detest that film. I want the time I spent watching it back, so I could spend it more wisely next time.

Posted by: Malin at July 21, 2011 4:44 PM

You don't have to pay me a motherfucking dime to badmouth that dishwater film Say Anything, but it's 50 damn degrees celcius and angrying up the blood is counterintuitive.

I can say with confidence of concensus that Andie McDowell is one of the worst actresses of this generation--or the last one, since thankfully no one cares about her anymore outside of the hair dye arena--and the other generations know this and accept this and honour it. She ruined rain, for the love of Pete! How in fuck do you singlehandedly sully the elements? We were all stopping the clocks that day when she accepted Hugh Grant's non-proposal, as we joyously knew that finally, finally the St. Elmo's Fire-stained mess of an ingenue track was ending. And we were rejoicing. And St. Elmo's Fire sucked enough to almost negate the suckifying cameo-plus role she had, but we still felt something.

Honestly, she can't even sell the hair dye properly. Stop all the ads.

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at July 21, 2011 5:10 PM

creepy subway bad toucher lips

You have just come up with the perfect phrase to describe how I've always felt about Zach Braff's mouth. Thank you.

Posted by: Jessie at July 21, 2011 5:59 PM

Andie McDowell is just filling a space. She does it in Four Weddings. She fills the same space in Groundhog Day. She is there to make the male lead look good. And she is marvelous at it.

She is the void.

Posted by: greer at July 21, 2011 6:24 PM

I HATE:

Andie Macdowell (in everything)

Garden State

and I kinda/sorta dislike Diane Court even though Say Anything is one of my Top 5 Movies of All Time picks.

Gah I hate this type of character.

Posted by: grace b at July 21, 2011 6:25 PM

I call out Penny Lane in Almost Famous. Yeah, you heard me. And if anyone needs me I'll be hiding from the rocks I see you've got in your hands over there...

Posted by: beet salad at July 21, 2011 7:13 PM

Totally with you regarding Penny. I hated her, and she ruined the entire movie for me. So much so that I haven't been able to watch it a second time.

I think the male characters are supposed to like them because they're basically children. They're happy and carefree and have no shame about looking like a fool. And they're so jaded that someone's finally showing them how to act like irresponsible children again that they fall madly in love with them.

Those girls are flaky and stupid in real life. They're gonna be kids forever and the men want to take care of them. But I always wonder how long a relationship like that lasts, because no one wants to be around a kid who will never mature, forever.

Posted by: Figgy at July 21, 2011 7:48 PM

or..."Dunst is just an asshole" hahahahahahaah

and yes, Rita is awful. awfulawfulawful.

Posted by: tracey at July 21, 2011 8:07 PM

A Mary Tyler Moore Show quote? I thought I was the only old geezer up in here.

Posted by: The Mutt at July 21, 2011 8:41 PM

Oh figgy you are so wrong. What part of the world of Almost Famous is real life? They're flaky and stupid and living with 1970s rock musicians. When William leaves to go back to the real world, Penny doesn't go with. She knows she can't exist in real life.

Do you know who's not flaky and stupid? Accountants. Do you know what would have made Almost Famous a terrible film? Accountants.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at July 21, 2011 9:50 PM

THANK YOU.
/wipes a tear.

Posted by: Dee at July 21, 2011 10:01 PM

I'm a little confused. I just meant that the equivalent of a Penny (or Sam, or the other girls listed above) in real life is an irresponsible woman-child who never grows up and will mess up your life and leave you broken-hearted while she goes off to play with her new toy.

So...William ends up better off? I honestly didn't even remember she didn't end up with him. I was just talking about how these movie ideals are pretty terrible in the real world.

Posted by: Figgy at July 21, 2011 10:32 PM

Their real-life equivalents, I mean. Sorry, I'm tired and can't even think straight.

Posted by: Figgy at July 21, 2011 10:37 PM

The only trope I hate worse the the Manic Pixie Dream Girl is the Dumpster-Dwelling Bum who is Wiser than We.

Posted by: The Mutt at July 21, 2011 10:38 PM

"She takes boring to such a dull level that it becomes irritating, like being weakly fanned with a sheet of wet cardboard for an hour."

That is a GREAT line, Courtney!

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at July 21, 2011 10:40 PM

To be fair, their male partners-to-be were equally
boring/annoying/wingey/forcefully quirky/socially akward.

Frankly, these people deserve each other.

Posted by: Haystacks at July 21, 2011 11:58 PM

like Luke with Darth, I believe there is good in Kirsten Dunst.

Drop Dead Gorgeous?

Posted by: causaubon at July 22, 2011 2:32 AM

I know that my treatment of this dead horse will see me dragged off, eventually. And that you say cinema instead of say...TV....but MOTHERFUCKING WINONA HAWKINS.

And with that, I leave you...

Posted by: Nadine at July 22, 2011 4:51 AM

Anyone else notice that quite a few of these annoying dream girls are creations of Cameron Crowe?

I've always disliked Andie McDowell... and those fucking hair dye commercials play endlessly on hulu. gurgh!

Posted by: snapnhiss at July 22, 2011 7:58 AM

Natalie Portman's character in Garden State is mentally handicapped, isn't she? I mean, why else would she go out with Zach Braff?

And anyone else notice how sometimes Andie McDowell's teeth look so yellow that she spits butter?


Posted by: Some Guy at July 22, 2011 10:06 AM

Does anybody like Andie McDowell? For every celebrity who is widely hated, they are also widely loved by just as many people, obviously, or else they wouldn't continue to get work. But I have never, ever heard of anyone liking Andie McDowell. Everyone hates her and with good reason; she is horrible. Even in real life. I've never met her but I've seen her in interviews and she is just as dull and lifeless as all of her characters. Clearly she is playing herself. So who keeps casting her in films? Well, I guess no one anymore, thank god, but how is it that she had a carreer for so long? I don't get it!!!

Posted by: Nique at July 22, 2011 10:52 AM

OMG !i really dislike 3 of these characters

Posted by: carrie at July 22, 2011 6:49 PM

THANK YOU. I have never understood the Andie MacDowell thing. The movies she is in never bother to give her a likable character at all. They just throw her in there and we're supposed to swoon. BE INTERESTING. HAVE A PERSONALITY. Smiling is not a character. Four Weddings and a Funeral is another example. Don't get it.

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Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at July 23, 2011 10:18 PM

Drew Barrymore in Mad Love... Molly Ringwald in fucking everything!

Posted by: Lulu at July 24, 2011 9:52 AM

I think it's because these women are all abstractions - canvases upon which the male protagonists (and viewers) can project their fantasies and beliefs about themselves. These are idealized women who can only disappoint.

I plan to instruct my daughter to beware the boy/man who deems her "perfect", for things can only get worse from there.

Posted by: Samantha T at July 24, 2011 6:29 PM

Ditto Portman's character in "Beautiful Girls" (a movie I deteeeeested). Oh, yes, the "old soul" who "calls you on your shit" in that way only 14-year-olds can. HATE.

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