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The Label Maker: The Top Five Hollywood Celebrity Incidents from Which There is No Recovery

By Cindy Davis | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (85)



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Say, did you know celebrities are just like you and me? Like any human being, they are capable of making spectacular mistakes and being complete assholes; some are better at it than others. If you take just a minute to think about all the celebrity shenanigans that have gone on, even over the past five years, you can probably come up with a pretty substantial list that includes Charlie Sheen, Lindsey Lohan, Randy Quaid, Chris Brown, Andy Dick, Martha Stewart (close enough), Naomi Campbell, George Michael and Boy George. Among the Hollywood types (actors, directors, etc.), there are some who bounce back from their troubles quite nicely (Rob Lowe, Robert Downey, Jr.), some that seem to be stuck in a sort of purgatory in between complete recovery and outward shunning (Hugh Grant, Pee Wee Herman)—and then there are those who will never, ever be able to live down what they have done.

These are the worst of the worst, the ones who stepped way over the line; the faces from which their “incidents” can never be separated. For a couple of them, careers might go on—they can still be hired and even be considered successful. But you’ll never be able to look at any of them without a particular transgression immediately coming to mind. You’ll always look at each of them and feel a little dirty inside, especially if you still enjoy his work. Now, I realize there are also those of us who can separate a person’s personal life from his career and I count myself among them. But I daresay that regardless of how brilliant any of their futures may turn out to be, there is no way what any of them did will ever be forgotten; they can never disconnect themselves from their incidents.

5. Michael Richards:

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Incident: Racist tirade during stand-up routine. Caught on video, Richards was irritated by a couple of hecklers and in response went off the deep end and showed his true colors, spewing his vile prejudice. Though he attempted to come up with excuses (he was trying to be outrageous) and made public apologies, there are no Bigoted Asshole Comeback Tours. Even the most devout “Seinfeld” fans surely get a funny feeling inside every time Kramer bursts through Jerry’s door.

4. Robert Blake:

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Incident: Allegedly murdering or hiring someone to murder his wife. In a trial nearly as bizarre as O.J. Simpson’s, Robert Blake defended himself against charges of murder and solicitation of murder. The night of May 4, 2001, Blake’s wife, Bonny Lee Bakley was shot in the head while waiting in a car outside a restaurant. The couple had just dined and left when, according to Blake’s testimony, he returned to the restaurant to retrieve a gun he’d left behind. While he was inside, Bonny was shot dead. During Blake’s trial, two stuntmen separately claimed the former “Baretta” actor had tried to hire each of them to kill his wife. While the gun that Blake accidentally left behind was not the one that killed his wife, the murder weapon was found in a dumpster close to the scene. Blake spent nearly a year in jail waiting for trial when his bail was denied and was later acquitted (the jury said the prosecutor failed to prove his case). But whether or not Blake was guilty, the whole story of his relationship with gold-digger Bakely, his anger at being “trapped” (she became pregnant with his child—though she tried to pass the baby off as belonging to Marlon Brando’s son Christian, with whom she was also involved) and the subsequent side-show trial have forever tainted the actor. Clearly fans have seen Blake’s less favorable side and retreated, as evidenced by the actor’s own recent claim that his autograph line was too short. Hey man, don’t do the crime if you can’t do the time.

3. Alec Baldwin:

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Incident: Little pig, little pig, let me come in! Oh Alec, yes, we do all have those bad parent moments—we get our buttons pushed, we lose it and we yell. But calling your own kid a “rude, thoughtless little pig,” that went one step too far. Rude? Not so bad. Thoughtless? Absolutely. Little pig? Um…no. After a hellish divorce and caught up in an ongoing custody struggle over his daughter, Ireland, Baldwin let loose in a phone message that was sold to a media outlet and promptly played for all the world to hear. While parents around the world felt his pain and embarrassment and for the most part could understand his circumstances and emotions, the “little pig” part went past the acceptable. Now tell me you don’t sometimes look at Alec while watching “30 Rock” and imagine his nose upturned just a little bit?

2. Mel Gibson:

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Incident: Alleged domestic violence against then-partner Oksana Grigorieva, various racial and homophobic tirades. Throughout the 90s and into 2010, Gibson’s disgusting diatribes against homosexuals and anyone not of his own race or religion have become world renowned. In what appears to be involuntary career suicide, Mel just keeps sputtering along like nothing has happened each time another ignorant rant is documented. The “man of faith” must believe he’s above it all because he keeps on letting loose with his foul, incoherent ramblings and making his films—however, all is not forgiven among the Hollywood community. And while his early career was marked my memorable acting and direction turns, nowadays Mel is known for his personal misbehavior.

1. Roman Polanski:

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Incident: Fugitive wanted for charges of Unlawful Sexual Intercourse with a minor. No matter the great films (Knife in the Water, Repulsion, Rosemary’s Baby, Chinatown, The Tenant, Frantic, Death and the Maiden, The Pianist, The Ghost Writer), the awards (multiple Best Film, Best Director, Best Foreign Film, Best Screenwriter Academy Awards, Golden Globes, BAFTAs), and the tragedy (survived the Holocaust but lost his mother, wife Sharon Tate and unborn child murdered by Manson Family), Polanski will forever be identified by his assault on a 13 year old girl whom he raped and sodomized after drugging her. Even had he not been fleeing justice for most of his adult life, the high-profile director would forever bear this invisible scar upon his face—not unjustly and not unlike his victim.









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Comments

I agree with all of them except Baldwin. I don't think of that incident when I watch him on 30 Rock or in some of my favorite movies like Beetlejuice or State and Main. Not that I condone calling your daughter a little pig, but unfortunately I've heard parents say much worse.

Posted by: Julie at February 16, 2011 3:05 PM

And I'd like to personally bitch slap Mel Gibson for making it near impossible for me to enjoy Lethal Weapon or (don't judge me) Maverick. I can not watch him on screen without feeling gross.

Posted by: Julie at February 16, 2011 3:06 PM

I don't know, I think I would've put Alec Baldwin at #5. And then I would've bumped him off the list and put Jeffery Jones in there somewhere.

Posted by: Todd at February 16, 2011 3:07 PM

I don't think Alec Baldwin belongs on this list. Whether or not you think what he said to his daughter was a big deal, most people have flat out forgotten about it.

Posted by: Lucas at February 16, 2011 3:08 PM

I'd put Phil Spector on that list.

Posted by: Pat C. at February 16, 2011 3:12 PM

Yeah, I don't really jump to any negative thoughts when I watch Baldwin. I'd maybe put Eddie Murphy on there though.

Posted by: Cree83 at February 16, 2011 3:12 PM

Alec Baldwin did nothing wrong. My mother could outdo him on days she wasn't even angry.

Posted by: twig at February 16, 2011 3:12 PM

Add Eddie Murphy and Hugh Grant.

Posted by: Dingle Berry at February 16, 2011 3:16 PM

Yeah, as ugly as that Alec Baldwin phone call was, the audience still seems to love the guy. He's received critical acclaim and hosted the Oscars, for goodness sake. I think - justifiably so or not - that he's managed to distance himself from it in most people's minds.

And Polanski's face isn't on his movies, which he is still actively making. Savvy cinephiles might boycott him, but the average moviegoer doesn't even realize who directed the movie they are watching. But, yes, his name is never going to escape the association.

I guess I'm lucky that I'm able to completely separate this stuff. I still enjoy old Mel Gibson movies and Seinfeld reruns without any hesitation.

I had completely forgotten about that Jeffrey Jones incident.

Am I the only one who saw that first picture of Michael Richards and thought that it was Sylvester McCoy for a moment? Probably so. Doctor Who on the brain, I guess, but there is a strong resemblance there that I never noticed - probably because it's completely contingent on that facial expression. They really don't look much alike otherwise.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at February 16, 2011 3:18 PM

Jeffrey Jones' actions COMPLETELY change how I watch Ferris Bueller.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at February 16, 2011 3:25 PM

Alec Baldwin belongs on the list for me because of not only "rude thoughtless little pig" but also the promise that he will "straighten her out" when he sees her. He is so clearly a bully with major anger issues. After the incident, he also refused to take any real responsibility for his actions and blamed it on "parental alienation".

When the drunk Mel anti-semitic comments were made, a friend told me she was cutting him some slack because he was drunk. I have never been so drunk in my life as to say such things as these people have because if you don't think that way sober, you won't talk that way when you are drunk.

My list also includes:

Woody Allen: Manhattan has become even more disgusting, if possible

Russell Crowe: threw the phone, denigrated the victim for being unmanly by objecting to it

Christian Bale: When we first saw posters for The Fighter, I said "Oh look, an artist's rendering of Christian Bale's soul". I understand they based his look on the picture in his attic.

Jeffrey Jones

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 16, 2011 3:29 PM

Stupid Jeffrey Jones for being a gross ass toolbox. How I loved you in Deadwood.

Posted by: Julie at February 16, 2011 3:31 PM

Umm...OJ?

Posted by: Damnyankees at February 16, 2011 3:32 PM

Yeah, I'm going to have to go ahead and agree with all those that think Baldwin shouldn't be on the list. Like twig, my mother, and my father said crueler things to me or one of my siblings on a semi-weekly basis. The shittiest aspect to the Baldwin blow up was that what he reasonably thought was a private conversation, became very public.

Posted by: Groundloop at February 16, 2011 3:38 PM

Y'know, I was willing to hear Richards out and to hear his side of the story (having seen the video, it appears as if he were trying to push the heckler's buttons in a frustrated and tragically pointless way). He appeared on Bill Mahr's show and tried to give an apology. But while refering to black people, he kept saying "Negro." And I thought, "Wow, if he doesn't know enough to say 'African American' NOW -- of ALL times -- then yeah, he's probably actually a bit of a racist." I washed my hands and walked away.

And then I continued to enjoy Seinfeld because that show is rad-ass*.

*RobP earns $.10

Posted by: superasente at February 16, 2011 3:41 PM

David Hassellhoff and the drunk burger video.

Posted by: kerokan at February 16, 2011 3:42 PM

OJ as an actor? Aside from the Naked Gun movies who cares? Oh right, that one Bills fan.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at February 16, 2011 3:42 PM

Everyone has his or her own personal equivalent of this list. For me, none of the people listed above's actions can make me not appreciate the entertainment they have wroguth. I love Apocalypto. I love Seinfeld. I love Alec in most everything I have seen. I still love Baretta re-runs. Polanski's movies are among my favorites ever.

My point is that I really am for the most part able to separate the idiot from the sometimes-wonderful genius he produces (cough*RusselCrowe*cough).

But my personal list is occupied almost solely by Charlie Sheen. I think it really helps that I don't think he is talented, funny or attractive. He is still embraced by so many people, and I think the adulation is grossly dsproportionate to his transgressions.

If these people are entertainers and their "sins" are sometimes forgiven/ignored because they are really very entertaining, then Charlie Sheen is a disturbing curiosity. He is a huge FAIL.

Posted by: klingonfree at February 16, 2011 3:44 PM

No Baldwin. I've called my cat worse, and he understands English.

Posted by: Brenton at February 16, 2011 3:48 PM

Honestly i don't care!
when i saw THE SOCIAL NETWORK,i didn't think "i saw a movie by the painful/difficult/icey David fincher" or when i saw SALT, i don't think "hello Angelina the husband stealer" but when i see a movie with Sandra Bullock,i think "i see a movie with the GREAT DRAMA QUEEN Sandy Bullock"(above all when i saw ALL ABOUT STEVE)

Posted by: carrie at February 16, 2011 3:50 PM

I think I've always seen Charlie Sheen that way. The change would be if I didn't.

And OJ and Hasselhoff.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 16, 2011 3:54 PM

Fatty Arbuckle.

Remember, kids, "I love you to death" is just an expression, not a goal.

Posted by: The Mutt at February 16, 2011 3:56 PM

And then I continued to enjoy Seinfeld because that show is rad-ass*.

*RobP earns $.10

Posted by: superasente at February 16, 2011 3:41 PM

Cha-ching!

Something here is not like the others... Baldwin doesn't belong. Well, Alec doesn't. Replace him with Stephen and the whole born-again pyramid scheme and you've got yourself a list.

Posted by: RobP at February 16, 2011 3:57 PM

Hold on just a cotton picken. I clicked away from this and immediately thought of two I can't even stomach and who are forever tainted for me: SomeChick Gayheart. Every time I see her (admittedly, not very often) I think of how she killed a child because she was talking on her cell phone in the car.

Also, I never ever see Kim Kardashian without thinking Sex Tape Slutty McSlutSlut. Now I understand that for some this is not a negative. But since there is absolutley nothing to weigh against her vapid sluttiness, my ill will stands.

Posted by: klingonfree at February 16, 2011 3:59 PM

I think most people (who've had kids) forgive Baldwin his outburst because most will have faced a similar moment of exasperation. Yes, he's not father of the year, but not many of us are.

But I'm more interested in your comments about Polanski:
" Polanski will forever be identified by his assault on a 13 year old girl whom he raped and sodomized after drugging her. Even had he not been fleeing justice for most of his adult life, the high-profile director would forever bear this invisible scar upon his face—not unjustly and not unlike his victim."

This is the most explicit statement of fact I've read about him - but is it fact? I say that sincerely, simply because I've not read that allegation before. My understanding to date (via the Polanksi spin brigade?) was that the girls mother brought her daughter to Polanski to get her daughter a start in Hollywood, and that Polanski didn't know exactly how young she was. That a lot of liquor and drugs were consumed doesnt surprise me.

If what you allege is true then I'm equally horrified by the number of respected actors who have continued to work with him over the years. Surely no-one would?

Posted by: JoJo at February 16, 2011 4:06 PM

I think that, a lot of times, the difference between scandals can be whether or not there is footage of some kind. Whether video (Richards), audio (Gibson) or even court footage (OJ Simpson), the availability and repeated display of the footage goes a long way towards making an incident into a major or a minor scandal (Hugh Grant, Eddie Murphy).

Posted by: Fredo at February 16, 2011 4:18 PM

Michael Richards ruined Seinfeld re-runs for me a little bit.

Posted by: Marvelous Mousey at February 16, 2011 4:23 PM

Dude, klingonfree, good freaking call on Rebecca Gayheart!! I saw an interview with her, and while she seemed genuinely apologetic, she also prated on and on about how the accident had affected her life, and how much she's suffered, etc. Who cares?!? YOU KILLED A CHILD. Because you were on your cell phone. Your suffering ranks pretty low on the pain scale compared to that child's parents, I'm sure. Get over yourself. Grrr!! Punch, punch, stab! Rage!!

Posted by: noodlestein at February 16, 2011 4:23 PM

I don't even remember hearing about the Robert Blake thing. Why would there ever be a situation where you forget a gun in a restaurant? Why would the gun be out in the first place to be forgotten?

Add me to the group of people who were berated far far worse than being called a pig as a kid. I've called my stepdaughter a bitch before. Some of that is my mother coming out in me but mostly it was because she was seriously being a bitch.

Posted by: Paultera at February 16, 2011 4:24 PM

Re: Alec Baldwin Not that it's really any of my business, but since you've posted it here - the fact that your parents said worse to you doesn't make it right.

I don't think Billy Crudup should be on the list, and I don't really know if his career suffered because he left a pregnant Mary-Louise Parker, but it didn't make me love him any less as an actor. He remains must-see.

Posted by: elizabeth at February 16, 2011 4:28 PM

Wow, I had no idea about the Jeffrey Jones thing. That is... bleech.

Agree on Baldwin. Before I had kids, I would have written him off, but now? I can't imagine being in his position, nor how I'd react if I was.

Posted by: Paul Southworth at February 16, 2011 4:30 PM

I forgot about Rebecca Gayheart!! Holy shit. I will no longer cry when she gets hers on 90210.

Posted by: Mel C. at February 16, 2011 4:32 PM

JoJo - You can find and read the original victim's statement/report online. It will answer all of your questions in horrifying detail.

Speaking of which, Whoopi Goldberg for her "it was rape, but not rape, rape" comments regarding Polanksi. DEAD. TO. ME.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 16, 2011 4:34 PM

Mrs. Julien has my heart forever for making effortless Dorian Gray references. And OR knowing what I know about Jeffrey Jones changes the way I watch Ferris Bueller, knowing what I know about Sheen only enhances the experience.

Posted by: coveredinbees at February 16, 2011 4:39 PM

Holy Cats! I had to go look up Jeffrey Jones to find out why people thought he should be on this list. Um yeah, definitely him above Baldwin.

Posted by: JenVegas at February 16, 2011 4:48 PM

Somewhere, right now, Paul Reubens is doing a fist pump.

Wait a second... THAT'S NOT WHAT I MEANT!

Posted by: branded at February 16, 2011 4:48 PM

If you've ever seen a stand up comic deal with a heckler, you know that the comic's mission is to utterly destroy him. You call him every vile, disgusting, hateful thing you can think of.

Richards' only crime is that he forgot that in America, rape and murder are petty crimes compared to uttering the word nigger out loud.

Posted by: The Mutt at February 16, 2011 4:50 PM

I really don't agree with Baldwin here. The rest, yeah. But his inclusion was from a private voice mail that never should have been made public. He was pissed, he said some hurtful things, but we all do that. I really don't hold it against him in the slightest. Kids (and people in general) have an incredible knack for getting under your skin and in the middle of a nasty custody battle, emotions run very VERY high.

Posted by: TylerDFC at February 16, 2011 4:59 PM

Oh yeah, and add Chris Brown to this list because fuck him for beating the holy shit out of Rihanna.

Posted by: TylerDFC at February 16, 2011 5:03 PM

Has Wynona Ryder officially recovered from her whole shoplifting debacle?

I wasn't even aware of the whole Alec Baldwin kerfuffle.

Posted by: John W at February 16, 2011 5:05 PM

Fatty Arbuckle. Look it up.

Posted by: eyebawlsoup at February 16, 2011 5:49 PM

Yeah, Alec Baldwin does NOT belong on this list. I think just the sampling of feedback here proves it--that was not something he'll never overcome or that people will never forgive him for. Sheesh.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at February 16, 2011 6:34 PM

I second the Fatty Arbuckle comment - I really thought he was going to be on this list. I think Michael Richards...well, he might have bounced back if he had any career ASIDE from Seinfeld (while I love UHF it didn't exactly make him a star).

I also feel like Hugh Grant and Peewee Reubens have pretty much been exonerated by the general public for their misgivings.

And since Roman Polanski has had a long and illustrious career since the rape and his fleeing of the US, I don't see how he can be listed as beyond recovery.

Posted by: Sara Tonin at February 16, 2011 6:44 PM

i wonder about the snow like purity of some of us. the ones who use the same brush to tar not just murderers and rapists, but mouthy people, exasperated parents, and those who take drugs or pay for sex.

I'm not defending anyone's "art" or their character, but somewhere we seem to be losing perspective.

I like consistency. i want a boycott on the jaywalkers, those who lie on their taxes and people who cuss in front of the elderly.

Posted by: idleprimate at February 16, 2011 6:49 PM

So let me get this straight. You're saying that a guy who, in the middle of an emotionally difficult divorce, yells at his kid via cell phone is worse than a guy who allegedly killed his wife?

Posted by: Withnails at February 16, 2011 6:57 PM

I still love Baldwin. He's a badass. And I think the whole thing with his daughter got blown way out of proportion. Maybe she really is a little pig. I've met children who I could call much worse.

Posted by: camytaru at February 16, 2011 7:09 PM

Huh well I'll put myself in the minority of those who found the Alec Baldwin comments to be pretty awful. Here's the transcript if you've forgotten exactly what he said:

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/226097/the_real_alec_baldwin_transcript.html?cat=2

It's not just the words, it's the whole tone. He berates her and makes it about him and how she "humiliated" him and takes pot shots at her mom. Maybe it just hits close to home, but I've been that kid in the middle of a divorce with the short-fused Dad and there were days I was terrified of him. That's the real travesty there: you take it out on your ex-wife or find someone to vent to but you do NOT berate your 11 or 12 year old child.

Posted by: Even Stevens at February 16, 2011 7:19 PM

A couple of clarifications: OJ isn't here because I don't consider him a Hollywood celebrity and the list isn't in order of worst crime, but rather a notorious face being identifiable with a particular incident.

Posted by: Cindy at February 16, 2011 7:28 PM

Gonna have to call bullshit there, Cindy. You think the average person knows more about Polanski's actions/face than Gibson?

Posted by: pissant at February 16, 2011 7:52 PM

With as much media attention as he's gotten the past year? Yes, I do.

Posted by: Cindy at February 16, 2011 8:04 PM

having been through the wringer of divorce court, i place no faith in any pronouncement from it.

Posted by: idleprimate at February 16, 2011 8:33 PM

I thought Fatty Arbuckle was exonerated, though...

Roman Polanski, on the other hand, was guilty and will rot in hell for what he did to that little girl. I could never, ever enjoy anything made by a man who took pleasure in drugging a child and making her suffer for his own sick satisfaction.

Posted by: seabee at February 16, 2011 8:48 PM

Hoooowhee. Passions running high here at Pajiba.

What I'm taking away from this is that each person has his line and it can be crossed and when it is there is no free pass.

No one mentioned Wagner. He's not a movie star still... but kind of a prick.

And ther's lots more where his ilk came from. I stil love Tristan and Isolde, though. Just saying.

Posted by: klingonfree at February 16, 2011 9:04 PM

You know what? There are a lot of despicable people out there that I enjoy the work of, and I'll keep enjoying their work. Jeffrey Jones is a scumfuck, but that won't stop me enjoying his turns in Beetlejuice, Ferris Beuller or Deadwood. Same for Michael Richards, Mel Gibson, Chris Benoit, OJ and even Robert Blake. Why? Because I can separate the actions of someone's real life and an acting job.

Posted by: Shane at February 16, 2011 10:57 PM

Never never never never never bet against the comeback.

Never.

Posted by: , at February 16, 2011 10:58 PM

The evidence against Fatty Arbuckle was circumstantial or made up.

He was blackballed from Hollywood anyway.

Posted by: , at February 16, 2011 11:02 PM

I know this:

As much as I hate the person of Lindsay Lohan and think she should simply die already, I'll watch Mean Girls for the fun of it -- because it IS fun.

I'll watch Maverick again one of these days, just knowing Mel Gibson is a freaking lunatic. I don't ever want to deal with him personally, but the movie might seem nice to me. I'm interested in his professional acting there, not in his personal life.

Should Michael Richards be on the TV in a new project and manage to be funnier than Kramer, I'll watch it. Why not? He shouldn't think that way, even less voice it, but hey, I'm far from perfect and I make mistakes and my work has nothing to do with it, and I want it that way.

If those people are sometimes good enough at what they do... hell, aren't they supposed to be someone else?? I know I don't think of "little pig" while watching Jack Donaghy -- not because I'm easily distracted, but simply because I don't have to think that. Do I?

(Of course, a crime is a crime. A rapist should go to jail. His movie turns out to be okay? I will watch it, I like movies. There are lots of people in jail who, maybe, did "less" and won't produce anything good in life. Such is life, we are all deeply flawed.)

Posted by: godzilla_foil at February 16, 2011 11:22 PM

I'm not a parent, but as the oldest of 26 grandchildren I know what it is to deal with kids. And if you are a parent you know that they can push your buttons in such ways that you REALLY lose it. Especially in situations likes Baldwin's when you're going through a divorce and sometimes the other parent gets things into the little tween's head so he/she takes sides. Baldwin just happens to be a celebrity and someone took advantage of that, but in happens in many homes.

Posted by: MissRos at February 16, 2011 11:22 PM

Uh, what's your point, Mutt?

Screech is execrable, but not frightening. It's good that the whole Rik Mayall 'cheated on his pregnant fiancee/writing collaborator on The Young Ones, ran off to an island without telling her and married his also pregnant mistress, and the fiancee has a miscarriage' situation was something I learned about after buying the Blackadder Collector's set. That is so damned low. Apparently they've recently mended fences

I'm in the same boat as twig, I heard some shit that could reverse jheri curl your hair--we kept a spare Eriq LaSalle next to the record of the soundtrack to The Sound of Music that no one played because the player died before I was born, I'm told.

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Fatty was exonerated, but his career never recovered. I guess that's still going.
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Yes, Noxema the Road Terror. Not even her first offense. Disgusting, and only disgusting. Why haven't they thrown this recidivist's ass in jail? What, because she's married to a guy on Grey's Anatomy? Is that even a good show? Was she that special in the ten minutes she spent on Dead Like Me? No, they replaced her.

If it helps: his 31 year marriage that whore-bag Cosima Liszt was a disaster- he thought HER level of anti-semitism was scary. Roll that around in your mind grapes, and this is guy who was friends with Gobineau. She had major daddy issues, but above all she was a whore-bag. Maybe it was just to get Franz's attention, seeing as how did not share Richard's views in that area. Oh, Frau Proto Nazi Trash got a wonderful son who would spring Aryan pride from his very loins turned out to be gay. Suckers. They did manage to farm him out to another hateful slattern many years younger than him. Somehow, they managed to escape reality for long enough to get that human. Oh, she campaigned hard on her daughter's behalf, but their close family friend Adolph Hitler did not end of marrying her. But Wagner:

-had a penchant for challenging people to duels and them running off

-wrote Parsifal only after soaking in long baths and wearing pink silk underwear to match his new pink silk, satin and velvet room

-kicked out of Dresden for life

-proved that it's not a good idea to let an unstable teenager run Bavaria

-was Ugly. Composers just were! Young Stravinsky had an insectoid quality, Poulenc had some Andre the Giant-style ungainliness minus the Fezzik, Debussy seemed to have these extra bumps or depressions or clefts for a face and a lump of black pudding for hair. Saint-Saens looked like a parrot, fact. Mussorgsky could've traded vodkas with Rasputin and Rachmaninoff wasn't so much ugly as he was terrifying. It wasn't his fault, nature gave him an abnormality that made his music impossible to play for people who aren't similar freaks. But Wagner had a face that could cut glass.

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at February 16, 2011 11:55 PM

That's the real travesty there: you take it out on your ex-wife or find someone to vent to but you do NOT berate your 11 or 12 year old child.
Posted by: Even Stevens at February 16, 2011 7:19 PM

Thank you.

Posted by: Spender at February 16, 2011 11:59 PM

Woody Allen belongs on the list.

Posted by: bcarter3 at February 17, 2011 12:23 AM

Disagree on Alec Baldwin. I literally forgot about that until I just read it on this list.

Posted by: ChristianH at February 17, 2011 12:38 AM

Am I the only one who thinks really good directors get at least one 13-year-old rape?

Posted by: John G. at February 17, 2011 3:50 AM

My top Hollywod Celebrity Incident from Which There is No Recovery:

Charlie Sheen not being dead or raped behind bars yet.

There is no redemption from that. Not for him; for all of us.

Posted by: zeke the pig at February 17, 2011 5:09 AM

Yeah, Fatty Arbuckle was acquitted, and a lot of the evidence and testimony against him was faked. Even so he was unable to find work - he was actually banned from acting in Hollywood; after this ban was lifted, it was still extremely difficult. Years later he did some directing under a pseudonym but he died about twelve years after the scandal. To my knowledge most Hollywood historians today believe in Arbuckle's innocence.

Posted by: Simon A at February 17, 2011 6:08 AM

ummm, jo mama besser for top ten eloquents of the week.

and for the record, we can like wagner because he is now push'n the little daisies and we no longer have to reconcile his ring cycle with his antisemitism. and heck, bugs bunny made peace.

and raise the pajiba roof to poor fatty arbuckle.

and skewer that demented gibson even if he puts a cute little puppet on his hand.


Posted by: idleprimate at February 17, 2011 7:34 AM

This list is pretty complete but I'd replace Alec Baldwin with Winona Ryder. What Alec did wasn't his finest moment but on the other hand, we're not going to remember it for all time to come. Every time I see or hear Winona's name, I think "shoplifter!".

Just saying.

Posted by: grinningdog at February 17, 2011 8:12 AM

No on Baldwin. I called my daughter a pig this morning because SHE IS. Her room is filthy. She behaves like a pig so I will call her pig.
I don't think the stigma of his phone call really follows him as much the the scandals of 1-4 do.
Agree with grinningdog re: Winona Ryder. Cannot hear her name without thinking "Oh, that chick who stole stuff".

Posted by: the other Courtney at February 17, 2011 8:23 AM

does anyone care about wynona ryder enough to care whether she shoplifts or not?

Posted by: idleprimate at February 17, 2011 8:44 AM

John G. I think you may have misjudged the level of the room. And you own humanity. I can't say that I will never think of you the same way again because I'd never been aware of you before, but your first appearance on my radar has made an indelible impression.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 17, 2011 9:23 AM

Michael Richards was hilarious on Curb Your Enthusiasm, he and Larry David dealt with the racism thing head on and it was funny.

I love Seinfeld and always will, and I still wear my Kramer t-shirt.

Posted by: Jeff at February 17, 2011 9:52 AM

That's the real travesty there: you take it out on your ex-wife or find someone to vent to but you do NOT berate your 11 or 12 year old child.
Posted by: Even Stevens at February 16, 2011 7:19 PM

Thank you.

Posted by: Spender at February 16, 2011 11:59 PM

In a perfect world, where humans are able to keep their emotions in check at all times, sure. We do not live in that world. Some people are terrible parents, no matter how hard they try. Some people are just terrible parents. Most do a decent job but have moments that lack clarity or belie their true selves. Nobody's saying what Baldwin did makes him great, just a man who had a human moment.

Plus, the daughter got more payback than most kids get. Nobody gave two bits when I told them about how my non-famous father used to berate and beat me at that same age, but Alec is famous, and so it becomes news, and he has to publicly own up to his bad parenting. None of this makes him as bad as a mysognist, a racist, a murderer, or a rapist. Not even close. You may as well put David Hasselhoff here.

Posted by: RobP at February 17, 2011 11:06 AM

@JohnG: I get the joke, but that was in bad form, sir. Very, very bad form.

Posted by: RobP at February 17, 2011 11:07 AM

I am putting my oar in and saying alec should be out( i love me some 30 rock)and bruce willis takes his place.

More and more I hear of what a dick he is! He ruined the 5th element for me!

Posted by: crisyroo at February 17, 2011 12:24 PM

Yeah, no Baldwin for me either. What he said was wrong, but nowhere near the level of the other four, or Charlie Sheen/Woody Allen.

Posted by: Bert at February 17, 2011 12:44 PM

I think this list was made for Jeffery Jones (aka Principal Rooney from Ferris Bueller). Kiddie porn doesn't wash.

Posted by: dangermoose at February 17, 2011 1:22 PM

I'm not saying he's the worst person ever, or even as bad as some of these people on this list. But I'm also saying he shouldn't be excused just because other parents do the same thing. Lots of wrong doesn't equal right. And I don't think Cindy is saying Alec is as bad as some of the others here either, she's just pointing out actors for which this one incident is forever associated with them. I am able to separate the actors from their roles, and I still watch and love 30 Rock but that is always there in my mind.

Posted by: Even Stevens at February 17, 2011 2:01 PM

Agreed with dangermoose. Jones should be swapped out with Baldwin, who really doesn't belong in this list.

Posted by: Irving Washington at February 17, 2011 2:06 PM

Re Alec Baldwin: How come no one ever mentions that it was Kim Basinger who sold the tapes to the media?! She's a *little* bit crazy too.

Posted by: bananapanda at February 17, 2011 2:16 PM

Fuck you for putting Baldwin on there.

Posted by: Rabbit at February 17, 2011 4:06 PM

I'm standing in solidarity with Even Stevens because I have never looked at Baldwin the same way again.

The fact that her mother is the kind of person who sells tapes to the media just makes me feel sorrier for the child not for Alec Baldwin.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at February 17, 2011 4:38 PM

Well, those are good points, Even Stevens and Mrs. Julien. I can't help but think about the story when I watch 30 Rock, either, but it's not a judgment for me. Just a thought that makes me kind of sad. Until he makes me laugh.

I just don't approve of the won't somebody think of the children argument. Children are a lot stronger and smarter than we give them credit for. It's sad, disappointing, all that, but the kid will survive and probably not be any more effed in the head than the rest of us. That isn't to excuse Baldwin, just trying to be realistic.

I may be a little one-sided in this, though, because I've seen him talk about the subject and he seems to feel nothing but legitimate regret for so many bad choices he's made in the past. If you can find it, check out his interview with Gary Shandling on the Not Just the Best of the Larry Sanders Show DVD. He seems to have a whole lot of sadness and anger inside, and he seems to actually want to better himself. I think that counts for a lot, especially when you consider how many people in Hollywoodland are unrepentant d-bags.

Posted by: RobP at February 17, 2011 5:56 PM

If Alec Baldwin is on here, then David Hasselhoff should be on here, too. And while, unlike many people on this list, Christian Bale's career is still going strong, he should be on here, because even though I still enjoying watching him onscreen, I have no doubt that that dude is a crazy asshole in his personal life!

Posted by: Bella at February 17, 2011 6:01 PM

I quote TheMutt: "Richards' only crime is that he forgot that in America, rape and murder are petty crimes compared to uttering the word nigger out loud."

Thanks for getting away from your Klan meetings long enough to share your thoughts with us, Big Jed, but no one said rape and murder are less serious than racist language. Someone's a little bitter about social progression.

Posted by: Craig at February 17, 2011 6:43 PM

RobP, you make some good points there too. I really don't remember ever hearing him talk about the incident so maybe later I will take the time and try to find that interview.

And I just thought of another person I think could be added to this list: Michael Vick and his despicable dog fighting.

Posted by: Even Stevens at February 17, 2011 8:39 PM