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The Five Most Empowered Females Currently on Television


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Seriously Random Lists | October 23, 2009 | Comments (63)


David E. Kelley’s “Ally McBeal” was supposed to be some sort of feminist breakthrough for television, though don’t ask me why. She was a terrible feminist; Murphy Brown could’ve eaten her for breakfast (well, a light snack, anyway). There has been a fairly nice run of strong female characters in recent years — Starbuck, Veronica Mars, Lorelai Gilmore, C.J. Cregg — but they’re drying up again, unless you believe that female cops who look like supermodels fit the bill. And what we’re left with, as far as empowered women on television go, aren’t exactly your typical feminist role models. I’m certain I’m missing someone important, but looking over the current television schedule, this list is the best I could muster. Kind of sad, really.

5. Alicia Florrick (Julianna Marguiles), “The Good Wife” — Yes, she stood by her man (reluctantly) as he confessed to affairs with prostitutes, but in the first few weeks of “The Good Wife,” Alicia Florrick has shed no tears, has expected nothing from her cad of a husband, and has managed to kick a little ass in the courtroom. After 15 years out of the legal profession, Alicia has been putting on a brave face long enough now that she’s grown into it, and she sides with her dick of a husband only so far as it allows her to take down other insidious men. She probably should have kneed her husband in the junk while he was at the podium confessing his sins, but she’s fared quite well, so far, taking the more graceful route.

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4. Liz Lemon (Tina Fey), “30 Rock” — Not exactly a take-charge female when it comes to her romantic life, Liz has nevertheless managed to run a successful show and keep two delusional batshitters in line, and occasionally stand down her Republican boss. She idealizes a traditional family, but she’s not about to give up her job and move to Cleveland to get it. She’s content enough to buy a wedding dress for a wedding she may never have, and pursue a family in less traditional ways. She’s hot; she’s brainy; and sometimes, she’s even awkwardly sexual. Unfortunately, she’s also a little sad and misguided.

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3. Peggy Olson, (Elisabeth Moss) “Mad Men” — She’s got terrible taste in dudes, but for a woman in the ’60s, Peggy has shown not just a willingness to sleep around, but an ability take responsibility for her bad choices without involving a man. Over the course of the show, Peggy has risen from timid secretary to cunning and, arguably, conniving ad (wo)man who — in less obvious ways — is as cutthroat as her male counterparts. As Elisabeth Moss told New York Magazine, “these women weren’t trying to change everyone’s lives; they just wanted to get their chance to do their job, and in that way she’s the ultimate feminist. I think she has a lot to learn about having confidence in herself. She relies too much on Don’s approval. But she’s getting there. “

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2. Dee Reynolds, (Kaitlin Olson) “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia” — Not someone anyone would want to consider a role model, Dee Reynolds is certainly an empowered female character, and she’s the complete opposite of the strident, sexless, humorless stereotype that the media makes feminists out to be . She’s vain; she’s morally questionable; and she will rent out her uterus to the highest bidder. Refreshingly, she’s no longer the voice of reason on “It’s Sunny,” she’s just as selfish and stupid as the male characters. It’s not exactly a win, but “It’s Always Sunny” puts its lone female regular character on the same footing as the rest of the cast. She might not represent feminism in the conventional sense, but she is the antithesis to television’s typical gendered humor. Oh, and she will eat your babies, bitch.

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1. Sue Sylvester (Jane Lynch), “Glee” — Sue Sylvester is only slightly more awesome than she is evil. She’s scheming, vicious, demented, ambitious, righteously insane, and successful. She doesn’t use her sexuality to control her environment, she uses her drive, her will to succeed, and her toughness. I’ve often decried the lack of good female villains in movies and television alike, but Sue Sylvester is as fabulously sadistic as any male character on TV now. The world needs more kick-ass, dynamic villainesses, and Sylvester manages it while delivering the best one-liners on TV.


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Comments

Was not expecting Sue Sylvester. Inspired Choice.

Posted by: becks at October 23, 2009 12:06 PM

Sue Sylvester will go to the animal shelter and get you a kitty cat. She will let you fall in love with that kitty cat. And then on some dark cold night she will steal away into your home, and punch you in the face.

Posted by: Julie at October 23, 2009 12:11 PM

Agree with all these. Sue Sylvester is just as you described, brilliant, and pure evil. Unfortunately, she is the main reason I don't watch glee.

I want comedies to be happy.

-Ralphie

Posted by: Ralphie at October 23, 2009 12:18 PM

Ooh ooh, some more empowered women:

Temperance Brennan (Bones)
Robin Scherbotsky (HIMYM)
Pam Beesly (Office)
Juliet O'Hara (Psych)
Chief What's Her Face (Psych)

Posted by: Julie at October 23, 2009 12:25 PM

Chief What's Her Face (Psych)

Julie, I believe the politically correct term is "Native American What's Her Face".

Posted by: branded at October 23, 2009 12:34 PM

Julie:

Come on. I usually agree with you, but Pam Beesly? She's a little girl in a receptionist job who whined until they put her in sales whose only ambition is to be Mrs. Jim. She can't even manage basic contraception techniques. Where is the empowerment?

My choice for empowered woman on TV? Gwen from Torchwood. She holds it together when everyone else is encased in concrete or grieving over whatever, and she keeps her personal life out of the office.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 23, 2009 12:39 PM

So the better people are at the bottom? Ouch.

Posted by: Jay at October 23, 2009 12:40 PM

The first one that came to my mind was "Jan" on The Office- before she became Michael's crazy live in girlfriend.

It baffles me why the producers shifted her character from one of a smart, sexy, career driven woman, to a boob-jobbed candle making weak woman, all in the span of less than one season.

Posted by: Be Adequite! at October 23, 2009 12:42 PM

Oh and tell whatever ad it is to stop Flash-crashing my browser. Thanks!

Posted by: Jay at October 23, 2009 12:44 PM

Peggy has shown not just a willingness to sleep around, but an ability take responsibility for her bad choices without involving a man.

I would argue that "a willingness to sleep around" does not make one a feminist. However, I agree with your sentiment in general, and prefer to think of it in terms of: she doesn't let anybody control her sexual fulfillment other than herself. Also, I might argue that she takes responsibility for all her choices, both good and bad. I adore Peggy, and not just because we share a name. She has drive and ambition and doesn't let anyone get in the way of her career goals simply because she has a vagina. I think she kind of quietly allows people to recognize her as a person rather than as a "woman", and that, to me, makes her a feminist.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at October 23, 2009 12:55 PM

Yes! Gwen kicks ass.

So here is the thing that buggs me a about Sue Sylvester:
How are we supposed to believe that the Super Evil Archetype Uber Cheerleader is a socially retarded dike-y man eater? Track coach? Sure! Gymnastics? No Problem! But cheer leading? She should be a washed up cougar with the evil socialite and desperate boob job thing going on. Like Nicolette Sheridan.

Love the show, Love Jane Lynch, but the track suit butch thing bugs me.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at October 23, 2009 12:59 PM

No Francine Smith from American Dad?


/useless list

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 23, 2009 1:01 PM

Lovely list. Nothing can beat Sue Sylvester. And thanks for mentioning CJ -- it made my day in a big way.

PaddyDog, I hated Gwen with a violent passion. Every episode was: oh no, I cheated on my boyfriend! Oh no, I'm in love with my boss! Oh no, pay attention to me! Look, everybody, I'm crying! I'm soooooo sensitive!

/welsh accent

Posted by: esme at October 23, 2009 1:03 PM

I assume Joan Halloway's rape at the hands of scumbag husband disqualifies her for the list? Because if any woman ever held her own with the boys at Sterling Cooper, it was Joan.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at October 23, 2009 1:04 PM

I agree whole-heartedly with Adequite..I thought the very same way about the lovely Jan Levinson Gould...I guess they just couldn't write for an assertive, bright female executive without giving into stereotypes. According to their writing, no woman can handle all that ambition; she must crack under the pressure of being dumped by Michael Scott??!! As far as the other female characters on the show, Pam tends to be shrill and I abhor (occasional writer) Mindy Kaling's descent into post-adolescent, boy-cloying, materialistic, complete with Valley-speak drawl that is Kelly Kapoor..We mute her every time she's on camera...And she has become victim to the biggest crutch on a comedy series: She's not funny.

Oh, and spot on regarding your choice of Liz Lemon. That's a real woman.

Posted by: KLS at October 23, 2009 1:07 PM

This is my favorite list ever, if only for the inclusion of Dee.

And Julie, I'll back you up on the chief and Julie from Pysch, but you're totally wrong about Pam Beesley. It's not that she's anti-feminist, she's just not really advancing the cause either.

Posted by: Marra at October 23, 2009 1:07 PM

What about Brenda Lee Johnson (The Closer) and Grace Anna Darko (Saving Grace)? I know their shows are not currently airing, but both those women kick serious ass and don't apologize for it!

Great choice with Sue!

Posted by: SZ at October 23, 2009 1:08 PM

Sweet Dee?!? I cannot get behind that. First of all, she's a total loser, so I don't know how empowered she is as a person, much less as a woman. Second, the guys all treat her like the plague (they wrecked one car, and tried to steal the other) and she keeps coming back for more. In the sense that she's as equally as terrible a person as the rest of The Gang, okay, but I don't see that as being empowered OR feminist.

But goddamn, do I love that show.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at October 23, 2009 1:12 PM

I want to give an honorary mention to Sarah Connor of SCC. I know it's not on TV anymore (*sob*) but she was so strong, both physically and emotionally. Plus, props to her for dealing with emo John 24/7.

PS. I'm going as cameron for Halloween! will try to figure out how to paste bloody metal on my face in the next week.

Posted by: dene at October 23, 2009 1:20 PM

Wandering Parakeet, It's not that her character is a feminist (though Dee does claim to be) or that she's a feminist role model; it's that the writers for It's Always Sunny have given her true equality. Instead of putting Dee on a pedestal or writing her character as 'the sensible one' or smarter/more together than the guys, they made her exactly like the rest of the cast: a total asshole. That's why she's so balls-out amazing.

Posted by: Marra at October 23, 2009 1:29 PM

Unfortunately, most of these characters, even my beloved Liz Lemon, reinforce the stereotype that either a woman can be successful in love, or in business, but not both. And that's just sad.

Posted by: Alexandra at October 23, 2009 1:37 PM

esme:

I'll grant you Gwen whined a lot in Season 2, but have you seen how she just takes charge in Children of Earth? She left all that crap behind her and made sure no-one was going to beat her. She even made that great tape to leave behind in case it all ended for her.

Posted by: PaddyDog at October 23, 2009 1:40 PM

Yes, Grace! She'll sleep around, punch you in face and drink you under the table. Also, her boss, Kate Perry (Lorraine Toussaint). She has respect and authority of her whole department.

Posted by: Fish at October 23, 2009 1:45 PM

Gemma Teller Morrow from SOA should have made this list. Has anyone been watching this season???

And I hate to admit it, but Sookie Stackhouse deserves an honorable mention. I guess it's easy to be a bad ass when the undead have your back, but Sook is never afraid to get herself balls(ovaires?) deep in a sticky, bloody mess if someone else's life is on the line. Sookie loves men but she doesn't need one. She's spunky and mouthy and fantastic.

Posted by: superEdna at October 23, 2009 1:47 PM

Marra, mmm... okay. I think you kind of just repeated what I already said, e.g. Dee is as terrible as the rest of them. If this list were "5 most refreshingly different females on TV" I would vote Dee Reynolds in a heartbeat. But I can't support her being considered "empowered" in any form of the word. She's a loser. The Gang are all losers. They treat each other terribly, and they treat Dee the worst. Dee fails at everything she attempts. And she can't even make a mojito.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at October 23, 2009 2:05 PM

Awesome list! Couldn't agree more with Sue, insidious and sadistic but somehow you know she's as vulnerable as everyone.


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Posted by: tallulahc at October 23, 2009 2:10 PM

Goddammit, I cannot STAND Tina Fey. Unwatchable, comedy-killing shrew. HATE.

Posted by: Jen at October 23, 2009 2:13 PM

Really the best female characters on TV right now. I would maybe add The Office's Pam from the last few seasons. She's taken chances, fought for what she wanted, and she's finally standing up for herself, even going compleeeetely ballistic at Michael. She was kinda scary last night.

Yeah but, Parakeet, I think the best thing about Dee is that she just doesn't give a shit. She'll just keep being batshit crazy and she doesn't give a damn. She thinks she's awesome. I'd say that alone makes her pretty empowered.

Posted by: figgy at October 23, 2009 2:22 PM

I totally agree with that Paddy-she can be COMPLETELY needy on the relationship front. I guess I was thinking more in line of how she can be so relatable and snarky and how she started doing things more for herself via season 3 and later in 5. :)

Posted by: Julie at October 23, 2009 2:29 PM

PaddyDog, I'll give you season 3 Gwen, but 5 episodes of dual-gun-wielding awesomeness doesn't make up for 2 whole seasons of her being a whiny shrike who brought all her shit into the office, all the damn time (affair with Owen, being a mentalist around Jack), who questioned her boss at every turn based not on her superior training or years of experience, but on the basis of 'being a whiny, self-righteous shrike', and utterly failed to own her emotions in terms of her relationships with Jack and Rhys for 2 damn years. Plus, of all of them, she was almost guaranteed to be the first to burst into tears in any given situation.

Posted by: Shay at October 23, 2009 2:32 PM

Oh, I don't know if Jan completely lost it just because she broke up with Michael. I mean, her BEING with Michael was a symptom of a disease she already had. It started with her divorce, I think, and then everything just started falling apart for her, with the lowest point being...Michael Scott. She had major issues before, and she cracked before Michael.

And I have to agree with Alexandra: it'd be nice to see at least one woman be alright with both fronts. Is there anyone like that on TV right now?

Posted by: figgy at October 23, 2009 3:02 PM

Speaking of Sunny, the "real" Sweet Dee has spoken out:

http://jordan.nonsociety.com/post/220452345/cause-youve-been-asking

It's like Sweet Dee: Behind the Babyeater.

Posted by: UptownLibrarian at October 23, 2009 3:03 PM

How can Sue Sylvester be on this list after this week's episode? She becomes all nice and forgets about her feud with the glee club because she falls for a guy. Then, when the guy doesn't want to date her exclusively, she goes back to being her usual bitchy self, wanting to destroy the glee club and kicking Quinn off the cheerleading squad. Sterotypically pitiful.

Honestly, the female characters on that show are awful. There's the bitch who just needs a man to make her soften up, the wife who lies about being pregnant to keep her husband, the girl who lies about the father of her baby to keep her boyfriend, the ball-buster who rides roughshod over her husband, and the woman who can't get the man she wants, so she is settling for a sham marriage in what, her early thirties? so she won't be alone for the rest of her life. The spoiled, full of herself Jewish princess is the most empowered woman on that show.

Wait, someone remind me - why do I love this show so much?

Posted by: Three-nineteen at October 23, 2009 3:11 PM

Julie, I wholeheartedly agree with Temperance Brennan from Bones--in fact, all three female leads are pretty fantastic empowered women. I also love the complete reversal of the typical "emotional female secretly in love with logical man" trope, especially since they pull it off without emasculating Booth, or making Bones seem like a shrew. I've often wondered why Bones doesn't get more love.

I also agree with Robin from HIMYM, she's one of the few leading ladies who couldn't care less if she has a man, and who isn't looking to marry, have kids and settle down, which is both refreshing, and much more in line with the people I know in real life than the desperate romcom ladies.

I like Pam, but I think she's maybe the least empowered--Kelly isn't a great feminist, but she doesn't bow down to people like Pam does. Pam is probably the most real character, she tries to be polite and kind, and does occassionally stand up for herself, but she often lets people take advantage of her, or has to look to other, stronger people to help her. Phyllis and Holly seem like the most empowered women. Even Angela seems more empowered than Pam.

I know Dustin watches Grey's Anatomy, and while most of the formerly empowered ladies have become soggy messes, Arizona Robbins and Adele Webber, the chief's wife are currently empowered.

Some other empowered women:
Lenore from Hung
Claire/Whiskey from Dollhouse
Dr. Gillian Foster from Lie to Me
Zoe Landau from Lie to Me
Rachel from Glee (for a high schooler)

I don't watch these shows, but these women seem pretty strong:
Cuddy from House
Patricia Arquette's character from Medium

Posted by: Christina at October 23, 2009 3:48 PM

Well, Cuddy was great in the first two seasons, but then the writers got tired of figuring out how to make the strong female character in a position of power deal properly with the strong male character who cares not for authority, and made her a complete mess, complete with an inability to function because of her intense desire for a baby, which was ridiculous. I miss the good old days. Of so many medical dramas.

Which brings me to Grey's. I'd say Bailey is/was pretty damn empowered, although I stopped watching that show as soon as her marriage fell apart (because at that point, EVERY. SINGLE. COUPLE. was facing divorce, infidelity, or stupid-contrived-conflicts and I just got fed up, because come on. It's Bailey), so I'm not sure what's going on there now.

Posted by: dsbs at October 23, 2009 4:21 PM

PJ on "My Boys" is pretty awesome. She excels in the male dominated field of sports journalism and refuses to be girly.

And I realize nobody watches this show, but TBS got it right with this one. Two words: Jim Gaffigan.

Posted by: kelsy at October 23, 2009 4:25 PM

Is it just me, or are we making a virtue out of a stereotype and putting down realism?

I'd rather have a character who has interesting, realistic limitations than if, for example, they got (sad and misguided, but interesting) Liz Lemon hitched and turned her into the mom in a laundry detergent commercial: Incredible career and perfect family life. She works a full shift, picks up the kids, cooks the dinner, AND has to do the laundry because her husband is gorgeous and a successful lawyer but somehow too dim to work out the washing machine. And she does it all by cleaning with Power of LEMON!!!

Screw that noise. When I want fantasy, I'll pick up Tolkien or Lieber. Shit, I think Lieber is less misogynistic than that.

A legitimately "empowered" person is one with the capacity to make choices. Choices have consequences, both good and bad. You're not going to be a successful corporate lawyer AND make all the peewee league football games for your kid. These are what we call "mutually exclusive goals."

That is not to say that you can't have a successful career and a successful family. But it involves a metric fuck-ton of work (the metric fuck-ton is 1.41 Imperial fuck-tons). A person doing that type of work is NOT compelling television. If it's going right, it's boring as dry, white toast.

Leaving aside whether it's realistic or not, simply putting that person on TV would make Nielsen cry.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at October 23, 2009 4:29 PM

dsbd, Bailey spends 1/3 of her time crying, 1/3 being badass and the remaining third lamenting the fact that She. Can't. Do. It. Shecan'tdoit. She CANNOT do it. She can't. Also, now almost all of the couples are married, or talking about marriage.

ZombieScientist, I agree that a character (of any gender) who could perfectly balance all aspects of life would be boring and probably unrealistic, but characters can be empowered without being perfect or boring. They can also be empowered without being feminist (two real examples of this would be Sarah Palin and Ann Coulter).

Posted by: Christina at October 23, 2009 4:43 PM

Agreed, Christina. I'm complaining that Dustin and some of the posters seem to be conflating empowered with perfect. Or worse, empowered with asshole.

i.e. it's "unfortunate" that Liz is sometimes sad and misguided, which implies that those traits take away from how "empowered" she is. Or that it's apparently a good thing that Alicia Florrick "has shed no tears, [and] has expected nothing from her cad of a husband." Not shedding tears over that shit is the mark of an empowered person? That's some silly shit. That kind of thinking was in vogue a good 2 waves of feminism and at least one heterosexual male awakening ago. Not "shedding tears" means either you're an emotionally castrated ass or you didn't lose anything you really wanted anyway.

An "empowered" person doesn't have to be a stereotypical 50s male or a bitch.

Not being able to get your love life together at the same time as your career does NOT mean you fail at feminism.

Those attitudes are why we still have to go looking for "empowered" women instead of being knee deep in them.

At the end of the day, I think I'm just irritated because I came to this thread expecting a whole lot of hotness. Legitimately empowered women are like Spanish Fly to me. What I got on this page was 2 women I've never actually seen (my fault given how little TV I watch, perhaps), Lisa Lemon, and a couple really unpleasant people.

Unpleasant people are not empowered people. They're just assholes. Doesn't matter whether they are women or men. I could make a pretty solid argument that being an asshole proves you are NOT empowered, regardless of your gender.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at October 23, 2009 5:05 PM

Someone above mentioned that Joan Holloway should be included, but I think Peggy is a much better choice. I love Joan, but I don't think she's a feminist at all. The way she's treated Peggy, her relationship with her husband, and her decision not to fight for a job she loved all seem to indicate to me that she buys into the idea that women have a certain place in life, and she's not ready to push that envelope yet. Maybe soon though.

Posted by: Cree83 at October 23, 2009 6:13 PM

Nicely put, ZombieScientist...and I appreciate the distinction between a metric and imperial fuck-ton!

Thank you for making the point that unpleasant people are not empowered people. I was all set to jump to Pam Beesly's defence--just because she doesn't feel the need to kick up a fuss any time she's not getting her way, doesn't mean she's an affront to female empowerment. I think we've seen plenty of evidence that the gal can speak up when she feels she needs to. Mild-mannered does not equal doormat, dammit!

Posted by: meaux at October 23, 2009 6:14 PM

Meaux, I am SO with you. Pam Beesley is one of my favorite TV characters EVER because of who she is. She realizes that there is nothing whatsoever wrong with wanting to be Mrs. Jim Halpert while holding down a career. And she doesn't have to be a bossy ball-buster to get her way or succeed in the office, another quality I admire in her. As a character, Pam has evolved from the mousy secretary to a successful salesperson. What's not "empowering" about that?

Posted by: bonnie at October 23, 2009 6:53 PM

I think Fiona from Burn Notice deserves a place on this list. On one hand, she's badass in a glitzy if-MacGuyver-were-a-pyromaniac-in-a-hot-woman's-body kind of way. She's fearless but also compassionate and willing to embrace her own vulnerability, and has an almost maternal protective quality at times. Call me post-feminist, but I think this is exactly what empowerment for women looks like at its best--not just to kick ass like a man (or do anything manly as well as a man) but do it while maintaining emotional honesty. Maybe not a true-to-life woman but for the type of show that it is, she is a legitimately awesome character, and much more important that the value of her tits in a see-through top.

Posted by: Codger at October 23, 2009 7:43 PM

After this week, Sue Sylvester does not deserve a place on this list. Actually, I think she may never have deserved it. Like ZombieScientist, I think being a bitch does not equal empowerment. The two are all too often conflated, and it does everyone a disservice. But then again, I'm crazy bitchy and I certainly think I'm empowered.

Overall, I think Robin Sherbatsky, Debra from Dexter, or any of the female characters from Bones deserve a spot above the top two women on your list, Dustin.

I miss Sydney Bristow.

Posted by: Lizzle at October 23, 2009 7:59 PM

UptownLibrarian, thanks for the link! I actually never knew that Sweet Dee was based on a real person, I just thought they felt the need to add a chick to the cast. But that story is fucked up, and it makes me look at the cast/creators in a totally different, unflattering light. That link is definitely recommended for "It's Always Sunny" fans... kind of perfectly appropriate for this SRL, also.

Posted by: Cruise at October 23, 2009 8:33 PM

Eh, not the best list. Let's see:

Temperance Brennan- Bones
Chief VICK- Psych
Deb Morgan- Dexter
Liz Lemon- 30 Rock
Lois Hendrickson- Big Love

Posted by: TWoP Fan at October 23, 2009 9:02 PM

As much as I love Liz Lemon, I think they have to make her waaaaay too cartoonish. It would be nice if she was single and smart without having to humiliate herself all the time.

Posted by: Claire at October 23, 2009 9:29 PM

Oooh, big YES to Fiona from Burn Notice, and Chief Vick from Psych. Much love for both.

Posted by: Gabs at October 23, 2009 9:44 PM

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Posted by: Loanna at October 24, 2009 5:47 AM

You have implied that empowered women don't cry. See your summary of Alicia Florrick (Julianna Marguiles), in “The Good Wife”. I disagree with this. There's nothing shameful in crying. It's an emotional release that has to happen. If you don't cry, you're probably suppressing something and how is that empowering?

You forgot Olivia Benson (Law & Order: SVU). She should top this list. She's strong, independent, nurturing, works hard to overcome her demons, and yes, she even cries from time to time.


Posted by: webgoil at October 24, 2009 10:32 AM

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Posted by: , (TCFKAB) at October 24, 2009 10:35 AM

I don't understand why people are saying Pam is empowered, she's constantly being belittled and objectified, especially by Micheal and Ryan. Now the whole office is taking part since she's pregnant, and we all know a pregnant woman's womb is everyone's business. I really like her, and she's the most relate-able and like-able character, but empowered? No.

Deb from Dexter? She's only secure with herself when she has a man. I've missed all but the first episode this season, so maybe there's been some change for her. She has grown more confident over past seasons so hopefully she will become a truly empowered woman, but right now I wouldn't say she is. She's definitely a strong female character, though.

Posted by: Christina at October 24, 2009 1:44 PM

Oh, and Claire, isn't that part of the joke? Like the "Chocolate, chocolate, chocolate!" scene where she's acting just like Cathy, the comic strip character?

Posted by: Christina at October 24, 2009 1:48 PM

You forgot Olivia Benson (Law & Order: SVU). She should top this list. She's strong, independent, nurturing, works hard to overcome her demons, and yes, she even cries from time to time.


Posted by: webgoil at October 24, 2009 10:32 AM

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I don't think Rowles meant to include butch lesbians.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at October 24, 2009 2:03 PM

Olivia is not a lesbian. But if she was, I'd be okay with that. Lesbians are people too.

Oh, and no I'm not a lesbian, so don't bother going there, BarbadoSlim.

Posted by: webgoil at October 24, 2009 4:33 PM

Christina, your summation of Bailey is perfect. She Can. Not. DOIT. lol I also *hate* what they've done to Callie, previously badass and awesome taking on all-comers and now? She's all "Oooo, I'm afraid of the chief" blah. Although, lately there has been a renewal of badass Callie. Which is nice because with her and Arizona dating now they should be *the* most kickass couple in that piss poor excuse for a hospital.

Posted by: sheepeyes at October 24, 2009 5:37 PM

Robin Sherbatsky (HIMYM): shes dude like and a total bro but she's also feminine and fucking HOT. She has a badass career and a badass man. Shes not afraid to be a big Canadian tomboy but will make you feel all funny like when you used to climb the rope in gym class. She doesn't give a shit about having a man and a family to complicate things which is refreshing and more realistic.

And I agree PJ from My Boys. I wish more people watched that show it is delightfully original and Jim Gaffigan makes the show! Though the rest of the characters are solid and consistently funny. PJ seems like a real person to me, the kind of person I would wanna hang out with.

Posted by: Emoney at October 24, 2009 7:09 PM

Juliet Burke on LOST.

Posted by: Cristiane at October 25, 2009 4:50 PM

I don't understand why people are saying Pam is empowered, she's constantly being belittled and objectified, especially by Micheal and Ryan. Now the whole office is taking part since she's pregnant, and we all know a pregnant woman's womb is everyone's business. I really like her, and she's the most relate-able and like-able character, but empowered? No.

Posted by: Christina at October 24, 2009 1:44 PM

That's not on Pam, though. That bad behavior is on them. I haven't heard her apologize for her choices. I could see including Pam in this, especially over the last season or so.

Also: TAMI TAYLOR. I can't believe nobody else said her.

Posted by: CL at October 25, 2009 6:12 PM

CL I second Tammi Taylor!!
I was waiting for someone to mention her and couldn't believe no one had earlier.

Posted by: glory at October 25, 2009 9:04 PM

Juliet Burke is all kinds of awesome.

Posted by: kayla at October 25, 2009 9:47 PM

Shouldn't this list be in order of hotness?

Posted by: Daniel Hall at October 25, 2009 10:19 PM

I've been finding Pam to be more petulant than empowered, but I really don't like her character, so that could just be my bias. I like Jenna Fischer, but Pam seems to oscillate wildly between 'almost-comatose', and 'shit-fit'.

During that 90-second window when G.A. was almost watchable, I liked Bailey. I liked that she was intelligent, assertive, talented, professional and that she was the only one not fool enough to turn her personal life into a fairground attraction. I'm SOOOOOOOOO sick of sassy black Foghorns who stereotypically bloviate their paths to ague. Whatever.

I think Robin is a good addition. I don't watch the show anymore, but I liked her a fair bit more than that mushy earth mother Lily character.

I think Peggy's a decent choice, too. Her character is awfully young, so I won't fault her that. Obviously, we share nothing, but her quiet tenacity is refreshing to me. You don't have to scream if your natural tone speaks so much louder.

Posted by: Jo 'Mama' Besser at October 26, 2009 12:17 AM





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