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The All-Girl Assassin Squad I Would Assemble To Knock Some Sense Into Those "Sucker Punch" Floozies

By Joanna Robinson | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (52)



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I love Sucker Punch. You know why? Because for years I’ve been screeching about Zack Snyder’s latent misogyny and for years the movie-going population has scoffed, patted me on the head and continued to fork over their hard-earned cash to suck down his (admittedly very stylish) women-hating garbage. I felt like a Cassandra (or, you know, if Snyder were in charge, a mostly naked writhing Sybil). With this film, however, Snyder cranked up the dial on his sexism from latent to blatant and there is hardly anyone who will deny that Sucker Punch, in addition to just being a mess, is a disgusting and misguided perversion of “female empowerment.” It’s one thing to make sexploitation, it’s another to proudly tout it as a triumphant demonstration of subverted gender-driven establishments.

The fact that Sucker Punch is the first Snyder film that is not based on previous material gives me added satisfaction. We can’t blame the grimy and lurid objectification of women on the existent gender issues of the comic genre. It all comes from Snyder’s misguided, sweaty brain. If the Gang of Prostitutes in Sin City made me ill, the voyeurism of Sucker Punch made me positively apoplectic (ETA: I mention Sin City here not because Syder directed it-he didn’t-but because the depiction of women in that film made me want to storm out of the theater). The other night my good friend remarked, “In my version of Sucker Punch any woman who is sexually assaulted gets to physically beat on the man who attacked her and, while he’s cringing on the ground, she will shame and eviscerate him verbally. Then, when she’s done, she will go back to work where she’s the boss of everyone. And she can look like a librarian while she does so. That’s female empowerment.” So, for your consideration, I present the fictional women way more qualified to represent feminine strength while exacting some vengeance. They’ve got a very particular set of skills and they’re not afraid to use them.

Lisbeth Salander (The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo) to advise Rocket that maybe a hat is not the wisest accessory to wear into battle. That maybe she should try a choker that serves a sort of stabbing function. After which, Salander will sodomize all the #sshole rapists that populate this film.
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Bang Bang (Brothers Bloom) to slap the lollipop out of Amber’s mouth and then blow up all the remains of said *sshole rapists that populate this film.
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Kara “Starbuck” Thrace (“Battlestar Geeklactica”) to break it to Sweet Pea that her codename is striking fear into the heart of nobody. Once that’s finished, Starbuck can hop in her Viper and shoot the sh*t out of all the MechWarriors, inexplicable Nazis Germans and (really?!) dragons and whatever @sshole rapists that might still be hanging about the place.
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Any Michelle Rodriguez Character Ever to glower a lot and ask Blondie why she’s named “Blondie.” Is it ironic? Is this really time for irony? Don’t we have $sshole rapists that need shooting? More shooting, less irony, ladies.
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And for Babydoll, the ringleader, she of the sexy dance and the vacant stare I would send…
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Hanna (um, Hanna) to just kill everyone and everything still moving. Yes, even you, Jon Hamm, for we suspect you are an %sshole rapist.
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[ETA: In regards to the absence of Hit Girl, I’m not wholly comfortable with the sexual reaction some men have had to what is, after all, a very young girl. I don’t think this is the movie’s fault, and I love Hit Girl and her totally age appropriate outfit and even her filthy mouth but I’m not cool with placing her in this (very sexually charged) context.]

Joanna Robinson would like to confess, in the interest of full-disclosure, that she did not see that “Legend of the Guardians: Owls of Jeff Gilooly” movie. Perhaps Snyder was very cool towards the wimmen owls in it. She doubts it. Email! Twitter!









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Comments

I second this motion.

Posted by: Rest In Peace at May 9, 2011 4:08 PM

excellent

Posted by: chipper at May 9, 2011 4:11 PM

what about HIT GIRL?!

Posted by: letsspoon at May 9, 2011 4:12 PM

These people think $200 buys you the right to soar through the air like the owls of old!

This movie should've just starred 5 Michelle Rodriguezes. Rodriguezs. Rodriguies. Whatever. Or one Hit Girl.

I'm a little curious as to what constitutes a non-@sshole rapist.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at May 9, 2011 4:13 PM

Robinson, we need to get married.

Posted by: Nadine at May 9, 2011 4:14 PM

There weren't any Nazis in Sucker Punch. Not all Germans are Nazis.

Posted by: fracas at May 9, 2011 4:18 PM

Great list though! Except for Starbuck. I'd send Six from Pegasus instead (more rape vengeance!).

Posted by: fracas at May 9, 2011 4:20 PM

Couldn't you just send the V.I.P.E.R. squad intact from Kill Bill? Or the three women from Death Proof and their car. Hell, just send Zoe Bell.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 9, 2011 4:20 PM

a non-@sshole rapist.

All rapists are assholes. Not all rapists rape assholes.

Posted by: Fredo at May 9, 2011 4:20 PM

Dear Joanna:

You are probably not any kind of queer. But if you would ever like to give it a try, I hope you'll consider giving me a call. Just saying.

Posted by: Fi at May 9, 2011 4:22 PM

Zack Snyder's acting career:

Actor (2 titles)
2009 Watchmen
Commando in Vietnam (uncredited) (unconfirmed)
2004 Dawn of the Dead
Commando at White House (uncredited)

So, he cast himself in two of his movies as a commando? Someone still wants to play guns like when they were 8.

Posted by: Brenton at May 9, 2011 4:24 PM

Not mixing rape themes and little girls...yeah probably a solid editorial decision on your part. That's why you write the articles and I just fawn over them.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at May 9, 2011 4:25 PM

@SJ: There was an episode of a Law and Order: Sports Utility Vehicle that swapped gender norms, wherein the rapist was a woman and the victim was a man. In that particular instance, the rapist is... well, okay, I guess she's still an @sshole. Thanks, feminism! (Side note: That female rapist was played by the same actress who eventually became one of the show's lady Distric Attorneys -- The More You Know.)

And, I'm not sure I'd call Snyder a misogynist, but he's definitely horribly misguided, probably not very bright, and should really just go back to commercials and music videos where aesthetics is the only thing that matters. I still like his take on Watchmen, though.

Posted by: RobP at May 9, 2011 4:25 PM

Fi - I will fight you for her.
Or we could share.


The first four made me go "yeah, cool, I can totally see that" then I got to the bottom and went "Fuck. Yes."

Posted by: DominaNefret at May 9, 2011 4:26 PM

You people need to get in line.

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at May 9, 2011 4:30 PM

Don't think you've fully dodged the potential pervo bullet with the 17 year old Carlow lass Saoirse Ronan.
Zoe Bell for the victory
also small point but Snyder didn't do Sin City

(I'm going to defend these two points and say that firstly I think Hanna is a film that is all ABOUT puberty and sexual awakening and secondly I did know that about Sin City though reading back through I see how it looks like I totally don't. My fault for lack of clarity.--JR)

Posted by: PyD at May 9, 2011 4:31 PM

Back off Fi, I asked Robinson first!

Posted by: Nadine at May 9, 2011 4:35 PM

I like this post.

Posted by: lindsaco at May 9, 2011 4:49 PM

Beatrix Kiddo, anyone?

Solid list otherwise.

Posted by: Oroboros at May 9, 2011 4:51 PM

Joanna,

Remember when PaddyDog and I just wanted to have you over for tea and cookies? Now you've got more salacious offers, both in jezebel and jezebeau form, than you can possibly manage. You must be doing something right.

Matronly hugs,
Mrs. Lysander Julien

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 9, 2011 4:52 PM

Before Sucker Punch what misogyny are you talking about?

He didn't even direct Sin City so why bring it up?

Posted by: um at May 9, 2011 4:59 PM

Wouldn't have made more sense to write/post this two months ago when that piece of shit movie came out? Not now when we all have hopefully forgotten all about it?

Posted by: Sean at May 9, 2011 5:00 PM

What about GoGo from Kill Bill? Was that too long ago?

Posted by: trophyw1fe at May 9, 2011 5:05 PM

Hit Girl: Too young to be sexualized.
Hanna: Just old enough to be sexualized.

Posted by: superasente at May 9, 2011 5:06 PM

Hrmmm...

I would love to hear your take on Zack Snyder’s latent misogyny, pre-"Sucker Punch" that is. I didn't see "Sucker Punch". It looked absolutely abysmal. Whether it's also misgogynistic/"woman-hating garbage", I guess I will leave that up to those who saw it. It certainly sounded ridiculous and like it very well could fit into either/both of those categories.

Where was the latent misogyny in his "Dawn of the Dead" re-make? I thought Sarah Polley was a pretty solid female character, as was the truck driver lady who killed Mekhi Pfifer/was killed by Mekhi Pfifer.

"300" was based on a graphic novel. If anything, he made the role of Queen Gorgo more important and made her a more involved character with his whole political side plot that I don't believe was actually in the comic. Since when is having a writhing naked woman the same as misogynistic? That's your strongest piece of evidence? For reals?

His take on "Watchmen" was almost 100% completely faithful to Alan Moore's work. He changed a few things here and there, but none really having to do with the female characters. Any latent misogyny you think you see in that film is very likely directly taken from the source material. Unless, maybe, you consider the very fact that he hired a crappy actress like Malin Ackerman to play Silk Specter as evidence of his "latent misogyny". I mean, he got pretty decent male actors for the other roles, why did he cast such a dud for the main female role?

So, if you've been screeching about Zack Snyder’s latent misogyny for years (prior to "Sucker Punch"), I am not surprised if you didn't have an attentive audience, because I am not sure where it's coming from. I am, however, more than willing to listen.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 9, 2011 5:17 PM

No River Tam? For a movie set in an insane asylum?

I don't know you people.

Posted by: AmbroseKalifornia at May 9, 2011 5:33 PM

If anything, he made the role of Queen Gorgo more important and made her a more involved character...

That is actually true, except he's a shitty writer and I was grinding my teeth every time Lena Headey spit out another line. The indelible image of Gorgo from the comics is the panel in which she tells Leonidas "Come back with your shield...or on it". But, in the movie, you could counter that by reminding yourself that getting raped by McNulty was somehow "part of her plan".

His take on "Watchmen" was almost 100% completely faithful to Alan Moore's work.

Except for the the fact that the comic didn't suck. Curious how Silk Spectre II's existence is the product of rape as well. Maybe this isn't entirely Snyder's fault, as Alan Moore is quite a big fan of doing forcibly kinky things to women, but...

That's 3 Snyder movies with whole big buckets of plot-moving rape. Maybe we should dub him Zachy McRapeSploder?

Posted by: D-Day at May 9, 2011 5:43 PM

Such a pretty rape.

Posted by: I Need More Allowance at May 9, 2011 5:53 PM

Give me Starbuck, or give me Bea Kiddo! Either one could mop up this entire cabal of young ladies without breaking a sweat.

With their eyebrows, no less.

Posted by: The Wanderer at May 9, 2011 6:09 PM

Your righteously feminist articles make me SO HAPPY. Serously, I just went from being that "vaguely bored looking" librarian to that "manically grinning" librarian (not my words). Also, my career plans just went from "world domination" to "world domination followed by sending Zack Snyder to a world where he only watches Flubber 24/7."

Posted by: esme at May 9, 2011 6:10 PM

Esme, the original Flubber or the Robin Williams variety? Because only one is really hell. Fred McMurray is the bomb-digity. I may in fact have been the first person ever to write the preceding sentence. For good reason.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 9, 2011 6:18 PM

The original one wasn't called Flubber. It was The Absent-Minded Professor.

What felt creepy to me about Sucker Punch - actually several things bothered me, but this is the one that is relevant to this conversation - was its threat of rape in the context of a movie that attempts to depict fun action that frankly borders on frothy in its pop music sensibility. That tonal juxtaposition of rape with PG-13 simply did not jibe. I'm not saying you can't put those situations in a PG-13 movie; I'm just saying that the melding here felt wrong and did not work. At least 300 and Watchmen (movies I'd critique for different reasons) were set in rated-R universes.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 9, 2011 6:33 PM

The fact that I was corrected on the title of a mid-century Disney film is why I love this site.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at May 9, 2011 6:56 PM

Well, I think that Hanna has a certain amount of asexuality to her character.

Posted by: DominaNefret at May 9, 2011 7:02 PM

Zoe Washburne

River Tam

Buffy

Xena

*I will now go hide in a corner

btw, thank you for making me NOT feel so ancient...I LOVED the Absent-Minded Professor! Fred MacMurray/My Three Sons for the win.

Posted by: dammitjanet at May 9, 2011 7:22 PM

Badass list. Badass ladies. Love it.

+ Lucille Bluth to drink 'em all to through the floor.

Posted by: zeke the pig at May 9, 2011 7:54 PM

But, in the movie, you could counter that by reminding yourself that getting raped by McNulty was somehow "part of her plan".

I don't think it was part of her plan, really. That said, she did end up killing McNulty and saving Sparta, so, still hard to see the misogyny in any of that.


Except for the the fact that the comic didn't suck.

Neither did the film, but I know people have differing views on that.

Curious how Silk Spectre II's existence is the product of rape as well. Maybe this isn't entirely Snyder's fault, as Alan Moore is quite a big fan of doing forcibly kinky things to women, but...

This is a MAJOR plot point in the comic. Snyder didn't invent this detail. Silk Specter II was the Comedian's daughter and the Comedian raped the first Silk Specter. The Comedian wasn't a great guy. He was probably a misogynist.

I do love the alternative list of All-Girl Assassins.

Posted by: ForbiddenDonut at May 9, 2011 8:52 PM

I have to agree with ForbiddenDonut on Snyder's movies prior to Sucker Punch, though, it certainly is food for thought that, even with the reality that Alan Moore wrote the rape into Watchmen, Snyder was still drawn to the source material and he did expand Gorgo's role in 300 from the comic... to include being raped. It's also interesting to note that Dawn of the Dead has zero elements of rape, but was very much a studio picture with a script from (the very un-rapey) James Gunn, before Snyder had any real clout to be the obvious authorial voice -- it's also the least Zach Snydery of all his movies.

That said, I still don't think he's necessarily a misogynist. I go back to misguided. For one, I take him at his word that he absolutely intended for Sucker Punch to be his paean to female empowerment. That the culture has rejected his point of view, rightly, doesn't mean he's lying or trying to do something insidious. The movie is a mess from beginning to end, even without the little-girls-kicking-ass-in-fetish-gear motif. It's, as the Pajiba review said, incompetent. Meaning his handling of the intended message is also incompetent. If he was a misogynist, I imagine his movies would have very different outcomes.

That said, I am not looking forward to his take on Superman, anymore. I'll see it, but I'm the opposite of excited.

Posted by: RobP at May 9, 2011 9:40 PM

This post had boobies as well as a link to a video with naked boobies. I therefore conclude that it was written by Joanna and not Courtney. Plus the byline kinda says so.

Posted by: Uriah Creep at May 9, 2011 10:08 PM

...if there is Kryptonian rape I'm giving up my power ring.

Srsly.

Posted by: Green Lantern at May 9, 2011 10:16 PM

Well, to be fair, the Kryptonians did rape their planet, thus causing it to... blow... up...

Posted by: RobP at May 9, 2011 10:39 PM

I'm a proud feminist/bisexual woman and you know what?

Emily Browning was fucking HOT in this film and if she seems overly submissive it is entirely the fault of the lame script...she was was BREATHTAKING in a Series of Unfortunate Events as Violet, who's a kick--ass mecahnical engineer who saves her siblings in a cool and inventive way.

So SHUT THE FUCK UP about Babydoll and start bashing the mysoginistic society we live in.

Posted by: jayne at May 10, 2011 7:38 AM

And yes I realize I flipped the Y and the I in the last post. And I know how to spell 'mechanical,' I promise. And two 'was' are not necessary...

Though I also realized that Joanna missed an 'N' in the original post...

I smolder with generic rage.

Posted by: jayne at May 10, 2011 8:00 AM

I still don't agree with blatant as a qualifier, though I have come to terms with people seeing this film as demented sexploitation. I think it's about as exploitative as a fairy tale within a dream, which I think was the intention, but I don't want to go into that argument again.

However, your choice of team to take them down is strong. I'd recommend Ripley as a group mentor as she empowered a young girl while kicking alien butt.

Posted by: Robert at May 10, 2011 9:20 AM

Jayne, I'm all for smoldering with generic rage but attacking Babydoll as a concept isn't the same as bashing the actress. Babydoll is entirely the creation of Zack Snyder who has become a mouthpiece for the misogynistic society we live in. We've given him tons of money so he can splashily act out his misogyny on the big screen. This article derides the characters who are entirely fictional (yes?) and a product of one "misguided" or "demented" man. So, in essence, attacking Babydoll IS attacking the misogynistic society we live in.

Posted by: I Need More Allowance at May 10, 2011 9:54 AM

What about Ripley from Alien/Aliens? She knew how to kick @$$ - admittedly, it was alien @$$, but I suspect she'd have very little tolerance for rapist @$$holes, either!

And I 2nd the nomination of River Tam & Zoe, from Firefly - two ladies who definitely know how to kick @$$!!

But, I certainly can't argue with any of the women you picked - especially Lisbeth & Starbuck!

Posted by: Kaazz at May 10, 2011 12:19 PM

How about Tura Satana ?

Posted by: Pat C. at May 10, 2011 4:05 PM

I Need More Allowance, I agree that criticizing the character is not the same as criticizing the actress--I cited the Violet character as an example of what the protagonist of Sucker Punch could have been, given a decent script.

I also agree that the Sucker Punch characters are all creations of Snyder’s warped brain and represent the misogyny present in our society. However, I disagree with deriding females (even fictional ones) for being "floozies." Yes, the portrayal of these characters is incredibly misogynistic, but the disapproval should be focused on the (male) creator of these concepts, rather than playing into the harmful trend of bashing women for acting/appearing ‘slutty.’

Posted by: jayne at May 10, 2011 6:49 PM

If I wanted a fictional team of Ladies to take out rapists and kill anyone who made me mad it would be:

Xena and Gabrielle
Captain Janeway of Voyager
Buffy, Willow, Cordelia
Parker and Sophie
Tara from True Blood
Jackie Brown
Sarah Jane
Beatrix Kiddo
Hermione Granger
Emma Peel
Olivia Benson
Fiona Glenann
Dana Scully
Bones
Cherry Darling


Not so much a squad as a small cadre.

Because it is one thing to kill a lot of asshole rapists. I want a squad that after killing the asshole rapists will then take down the government and society that allowed this to happen. And then take care of any other lingering misogynistic issues that happen to be troubling me. Because I like my superheros here for the long haul.


So....I am going to assume from this point that I am old.

Posted by: Haystacks at May 10, 2011 7:10 PM

*Ctrl+F*
Sarah Connor
*0 found*

Really?

I would put my money on Sarah Connor in a fight against any girl on that list.

@RobP
>>even with the reality that Alan Moore wrote the rape into Watchmen, Snyder was still drawn to the source material

He was drawn to the source material cause he's a comic book fan. It's one of the most famous well respected and influential comics ever written. Any comic book fan worth there salt has read it.

Also serioulsy your other basis for comparison is sexisim in 300? That's a frank miller comic, the man is ledgendary for being a mysoginistic sexist weirdo who can't write a female character without them being a prostitute of some form.

I don't see how in a 4 movie run, having mysoginistic elements in two of them, one being directly lifted from the source material and another being verry true and keeping in theme with the original writer (I beleive Miller was actually involved in the re-writes for the movie too, and would not at all be surprised if he had added them) counts his back catalouge as being secretly misoginistic.

Posted by: Ben at May 13, 2011 9:24 AM

Yes, because the way to protest films depicting violence against women is DEFINITELY to promote MORE violence against women AND to pit women against each other, and the most feminist thing to do when faced with a problematic work is to tear down and degrade the women in it.

Also, it totally makes you a floozy to be forced into sex work. Oh, and God help you if you happen to have a remotely traditionally feminine name; can't have that.

Why, thank you for the lesson on feminism! Somehow I thought it was about discouraging the degradation of women and femininity, rather than degrading the victims of sexism further. Somehow I thought it was about women supporting each other, rather than stabbing each other in the back and tearing each other down. I thought it was about encouraging feminine strength in everyone, rather than drawing hard lines about who is and is not "qualified" to prevent feminine strength and ripping into those who don't fit your standards. I thought feminism was about minimizing the hate directed towards women - real or fictional, general or specific - not increasing it. Funny, that.

I found the movie a lot more respectful towards women, and critical of violence towards women and rape in general, than this article comes close to being.

Posted by: K at May 16, 2011 7:19 PM

@ Jayne, STFU.

Posted by: Jill at May 17, 2011 1:03 AM