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Five Ways Star Trek And Star Wars Are Better Than Each Other

By Rob Payne | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (55)



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It happens all the time. Some dude who probably shouldn’t be wearing a skintight jumpsuit and some other dude wearing the slightly more flattering bathrobe/pajama ensemble cross paths — usually at a comic book convention, but it could happen at 7-11, too — and they instantly start berating the others’ choice of fandaemonium. This could lead to Cheetohs-stained fisticuffs, but most likely the kerfuffle will end before anyone gets too hurt. Just a mutually shared rib cramp and shortness of breath, possibly some bruised feelings. Yes, the battle between Star Trek and Star Wars is a long one and waged, usually, only by its hardest of hardcore adherents. But sometimes, very rarely, the people who actually engage in the production of the movies and TV shows go at it. And it’s no less embarassing for them than it is for those of us who watch it transpire.

For some strange reason, 2011 turned out to be one of those times. It started with William Shatner, the second captain of the Enterprise but the first Captain Kirk, pointlessly (and a little sexistly) belittling Star Wars to a confused interviewer. This was followed-up by Carrie Fisher, the one and only Princess Leia, taking up arms and blasting Star Trek and Shatner right back. At this point, The Shat began to take things personally and it started to become much less funny. Thankfully, George Takei, who portrayed the oft-shirtless fencing Sulu in “Star Trek” and the movies that followed, stepped in and tried to broker a peace between the two forces.

Here’s Takei’s solution:

Perfectly reasonable. Even rational. And it seemed as if the two sides had laid down their weapons and decided to co-exist in this great big galaxy of washed-up Hollywood stars. All was quiet until Shatner retaliated against his own former crewman, and now it’s a just a matter of time before some loses an eye. But this whole argument is silly. Star Trek is obviously better than Star Wars, just as Star Wars is clearly better than Star Trek.

Don’t believe me that both statements can be equally true? Take a gander below to prove yourself wrong. And, just to be clear on our terms, I’m only referring to the original productions and the original casts, except where otherwise noted. Only the 1960s “Star Trek” TV series, the six movies starring that cast, and the first Star Wars trilogy matter in this debate.


Star Trek has…

…Transporter Technology!
Of all the fantastical sci-fi technology in either Star Trek or Star Wars, having the ability to instaneously travel from one point to another trumps all the rest in terms of We Need This Nowness. Interstellar travel is great and all, but teleportation is the dream of every working person stuck in rush hour traffic. Not even lightsabers (more on them later) are handy when there are miles of automobiles ahead of you. Plus, while there have been a few transporter mishaps throughout the years, it’s still statistically safer than cars. Beam me up, already.
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…Real World Concerns!
Starting from the very beginning, Star Trek was about more than epic space battles and laser gun fights with aliens; it also reflected the contemporary reality in which it was made. It made us hopeful for the future while looking directly at where we were as a country and as a race of people, critiquing where necessary. And sometimes, as was the case with Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country — itself a thinly veiled storyline about the ending of the Cold War — the political commentary was also incredibly entertaining. The only commentary Star Wars could manage was a simplistic, “Empires are bad, m’kay?”
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Environmentalist Ideals Whales!
Alongside the “current events” component, Gene Rodenberry always infused his galactic western with a clear environmentalist streak. This is no more obvious than in Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, where the fate of the Earth is at stake unless Kirk and the Enterprise crew can save the entire species of humpback whales. Silly? Yes. Fun? Of course. But the message was clear: We have to save Earth today to protect it from tomorrow. You won’t get anything remotely that consequential in Star Wars.
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…Sex!
Okay, so, there was never any actual onscreen sex in Star Trek or Star Wars, but sexuality and romantic entanglements were very common in the former and almost completely absent from the latter. Whether or not you think of Captain James Tiberius Kirk as a Space-Whore just dripping with Space-STDs, it’s impossible to deny that his affairs of the heart weren’t charming in the televisual sense. But every main character in “The Original Series” had a love/lust subplot at some point, showing just how human we’ll still be in the future. Even when practically everything else is perfect, our relationships will still be messy, and that’s exactly how we wanrt it. I’m fairly certain sex doesn’t even exist in Star Wars and that everyone reproduces through cloning or osmosis.
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…Multicultural Diversity!
Star Wars may always be the one breaking new ground in special effects, but Star Trek always seemed to be the one to actually affect the larger culture in some way. Perhaps its greatest achievement was showcasing a group of people from different racial and national backgrounds working together for the common good. Whites, blacks, Russians, Japanese, women, and even aliens from other worlds can join forces for the betterment of everybody, and this was in the midst of the Cold War, in the turmoil of the Civil Rights Movement, and when women were still mostly relegated to homemaker status. Just seeing these faces on television, week after week for three years, had to have subconsciously changed how people viewed the world — especially with younger generations. Outside of Lando Calrissian and Princess Leia there are no people of color or the non-male gender who make a lick of difference in Star Wars.

But Star Trek had a hero for everyone. Well, except homosexuals, sadly, unless George Takei counts…
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This continued in “The Next Generation”…
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“Deep Space Nine”…
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And reached its zenith in “Voyager” with a female captain, a Native American first officer, a Korean ensign, a black Vulcan security officer, and a half-Klingon/half-Latina chief of engineering.
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The diversity was seen outside of the main casts, as well, with each ship or space station populated by every color of the rainbow — almost literally. Meanwhile, even factoring in the prequels, Star Wars is whiter than a GOP fundraising dinner in the middle of a winter snow storm. No, Wookies and Twi’leks do not count.


Okay, okay, okay. That’s all fine and dandy like sarlacc candy, but Star Wars has…

…Lightsabers!
Both Star Trek and Star Wars have laser guns (phasers and blasters) and faster-than-light travel (warp and hyper drives), and while Trek has teleporters, only Wars has the coolest weaponry since the advent of the trebuchet. Photon torpedoes will never be as exciting to watch as even the most staid lightsaber duel. While Obi-Wan may have been full of shit when he called the lightsaber a weapon for a “more civilized age,” he was absolutely right in feeling like just owning one made him a badass. Even when Jedi run rampant, they’re the only ones who get to wield the suckers, and when he and Yoda are the only two left, that automatically makes them better than the rest of us. Well, better than everybody but the next entry.
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…Darth Vader!
Oh, sure, both series have their memorable villains, but when people think of Star Trek and Star Wars, all other pretenders get pushed to the side and we’re left with either Khan Noonian Singh or Darth Vader as the biggest dicks in the universe. Khan is great, both scheming and physically threatening, and he nearly brings the Enterprise to utter ruin in a matter of hours. But he doesn’t have the power, the pathos, or the panache of the Dark Lord of the Sith. Vader is more menacing standing there breathing than most villains are when giving their big, culminating speeches detailing how evil they’re supposed to be. Vader never did that. If wielding a lightsaber is cool, consider him Miles Davis. Plus, nobody has a better theme song. In short: He’s the best bad guy of all time.
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…The Millennium Falcon!
And Han Solo’s smuggling vessel is the best space ship of all time. Personally, I never cottoned to the idea that people in Star Wars thought the Millennium Falcon was a piece of junk suitable only for a scruffy-looking nerf herder. After all, it’s the fastest ship in the galaxy (made the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs, which being a measure of distance, also means it contains magical properties) and has enough room to store your cargo, contraband, or crew as needed. The Falcon, you might have heard, also destroyed, or helped destroy, two Death Stars. Now, if I had to put money down, I’d still take any version of the U.S.S. Enterprise NCC-1701 in a fracas amongst the stars, but you don’t get to keep that baby when the battle is over. You merely serve on it with a thousand other crew members. But the Millennium Falcon is yours, and she’s got it where it counts.
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…The Force!
And we’re not talking about that “midichlorian” bullshit, either. The Force need only be, as Obi-Wan states in A New Hope: “It surrounds us and penetrates us. It binds the galaxy together.” And as Yoda clarified in The Empire Strikes Back: “A Jedi’s strength flows from the Force.” Basically, that means in Star Wars, Marty McFly’s catchphrase of “if you put your mind to it, you can achieve anything” is absolute fact and not simply representative of misplaced 1980s optimism. That it works both ways — light and dark, good and evil — makes application of the Force one of the few Big Questions that Star Wars lets it’s audience ask that Star Trek almost never does. Which way would you go? Would you follow the path of the Jedi, or submit to the easier charms of the Sith? Would you be the Emperor or Luke Skywalker? It’s a moral dillemma that the first trilogy actually handles in a fairly mature way, even if the right answer is fairly obvious. But it’s so very easy to be tempted, and to understand why people like Vader fall.
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…The Rule 63 Cosplay!
Because the original trilogy only has one female character of any import, and she appeared as a slave in metal underwear (appealing to at least two of the male Star Wars nerd’s deviant fantasies), many ladies dress up as Princess Leia at conventions. Many, many, many ladies. So many that, no matter how attractive a young lady may be while wearing the barely-there costume, they no longer register to the convention weary fan. It’s enough that the classic white cloak with cinammon buns look is practically inspired. The same is also true for gals who dress up as Federation officers from the original Trek — one can only see so many red mini-skirts so often before one wonders why they even bothered if they really wanted the attention that all cosplayers painfully seem to need.

But occasionally women find ways to make characters in Star Wars much more interesting (re: sexier) than they were likely ever intended. Like Lady Storm Troopers…
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Lady Boba Fett…
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Lady R2D2…
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…and, naturally, Lady Darth Vader.
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This just isn’t as fun in Star Trek, where women are, and always have been, aplenty. So, for once, George Lucas’ inability to write women has achieved some measure of good. Of course, it really just means that people besides Lucas himself have once again improved on his concepts.


In the end, it doesn’t really matter which you like most. Star Trek vs. Star Wars? Eh, I’m with Sulu. Let’s call the whole thing off and hate on Twilight as one. It’s too easy not to! Someone else already had the bright idea of bringing the two timeless spacefaring universes together, and I don’t see any reason to argue with this particular union.
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How about you?


Rob Payne also writes the indie comic The Unstoppable Force, tweets on the Twitter @RobOfWar, and his ware can be purchased here (if you’re into that sort of thing). He’s pretty sure that since that calendar was shot by a woman it isn’t sexist, but he’d believe it if someone said otherwise.









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Comments

I just have to say that this has made me incredibly happy! (PS. Star Trek is better, but Twilight is MUCH much worse!!)

Posted by: Cara at January 12, 2012 4:10 PM

Can anyone tell me what happened to Carrie Fisher's face?

Posted by: FabMax at January 12, 2012 4:22 PM

@FabMax: She's 55 years old? Not everyone can be Helen Mirren hot when they get older.

Posted by: Johnnyseattle at January 12, 2012 4:26 PM

To get my full geek on: Tuvok was the Security Officer and B'elanna was Chief Engineer


(NNNEEEERRRRRDD! But, no, really... Thanks for the clarification. I thought I might have gotten those two wrong, but had other deadlines and totally forgot about double checking. Fixed! -RobP)

Posted by: Meghan at January 12, 2012 4:32 PM

George Takei is making his regular maintenance visit to show why he is indeed King of Geeks. To hear him call to arms all sci-fi nerds by teeing off on Twilight as only he can has made me happy snort in a way I thought only my English Peke could do.

I truly love this man. Whether it's defending the civil and human rights of others or just being a ham in general, I really cannot find anything negative to say about him. Anytime I see him, I know that I'm going to be either impressed or entertained and often both.

He's told bullied kids that it gets better, he's called hatemongers "douchebags" and bigots that that despite their cruelty that gay community will still love them "....a lot!", and only he could have the balls to tell the Shat to go fuck himself with such gleeful conviction.

I swear this man could make the menu specials at Baja Fresh sound awesome.

Posted by: bleujayone at January 12, 2012 4:37 PM

I'm a love and let love person. I adore both... but if I had to rank, I'd have to identify as a Trek fan first and Star Wars comes in at (close!) second place -- despite my OBSESSION with Han Solo as a teenager.

My dude and I were talking a few months ago about where our political perspectives came from -- I came from hippy activist parents, so that one was pretty obvious, but he's an incredibly progressive guy who grew up in a small whitebread town in Kentucky, and he was raised by pious, politely racist, conservative parents.

We ended up determining that his moral background was largely shaped by Star Trek (and having grown up watching it myself, I could identify) -- it promotes a belief that people are capable of shaping a positive future where scientific discovery and peace are valued, models how to treat different cultures and people with respect and how to engage in diplomacy before violence, and shows a mindset where people are classified as "sentient being" first and "human" second -- relegating markers like country of origin, race, and gender as more distant and less important defining markers. All that is important stuff. And for my guy, growing up in that little town in Kentucky, it made all the difference.

For my family, Star Trek was a show we all would sit down and watch together. It was our version of the Cozby Show, or I Love Lucy. Some of my fondest memories involve watching TNG with dad, and although we aren't rabid uber fans, my siblings and I have a deep and abiding love for the series and films.

I think the biggest gift Star Trek gives me is hope that we'll pull through this and come out the other side better for it -- that we can learn and grow and evolve, and that it doesn't have to end in a mushroom cloud, or an environment too polluted to turn around, or a zombie takeover, or any of the depressing possible futures that we read about. Star Trek shows me an honest to goodness shining city on a hill that if I can't see happen in my lifetime, I can at the very least work towards it, and it does so without making it unbearably treacly or unrealistic.

My college's university gave a concert last year where they played movie soundtracks, and they ended with a medley of Star Trek themes from the shows and movies. Before it started, the conductor talked a little about how he saw Star Trek as an innately hopeful thing, and I'll be damned if I didn't tear up a little when the beautiful brass and soaring strings started up.

Posted by: linny at January 12, 2012 4:43 PM

Star Trek predicted 3 1/2 diskettes and a computer with a video screen but no keyboard in every bedroom. Star Trek predicted electric sliding doors everywhere, and electric fences/forcefields to keep the bad guys locked up. Star Trek predicted the Space Shuttle. Star Trek spaceships go into orbit and plot their paths.

Star Wars pilots are flying X-wing fighters in space as if they were World War I double wing red barons. You can't fly that way in space. And as cool as the light sabers are, they are a stupid weapon for actually fighting. Per Han Solo, "I'd rather have a blaster."

I enjoyed the original Star Wars trilogy a lot, and the old Star Treks look quite cheesy now, but I'd have to give the win to Star Trek for trying harder.

Posted by: BWeaves at January 12, 2012 4:43 PM

college's university? Bah. It's been a long day.

Posted by: linny at January 12, 2012 4:48 PM

Per Han Solo

That's just one of the things you got wrong.

Posted by: Jay at January 12, 2012 4:51 PM

Star Wars has George Lucas = Star Trek FTW.

Posted by: John W at January 12, 2012 4:53 PM

Not to break the peace here, but Star Trek has George Takei and Star Wars has George Lucas. Do I even need to point out who wins that one?

Then again......Mark Hamill was the Joker and the Cockknocker. Leonard Nimoy was in the third Transformers movie playing......um.....old guy bot.


Aside from all of this, I can't be the only person that thinks Carrie Fisher is starting to look like Ozzie Osbourne.

Posted by: Harborwolf at January 12, 2012 4:57 PM

Star Trek also predicted aliens with vaginas on their foreheads and that Whoopi Goldberg would make a good bartender.

But seriously, I did enjoy TNG when it was on, and Star Trek II and VI are pretty cool.

Posted by: =DocDoom1= at January 12, 2012 5:56 PM

@FabMax - and she's a well-documented drunk and drug abuser. Not that there's anything wrong with that... it just tends to take a toll on the face.

See also: Lindsay Lohan, Tara Reid, Linda Hamilton, Melanie Griffith, Amy Winehouse, Natasha Lyonne, Britney Spears, etc., etc..

Posted by: Protoguy at January 12, 2012 6:12 PM

The Shat gets away with being the Shat because he has this willingness to self-deprecate himself to make you like him. It extends even to his over-acting, so he's layering his characters with parodies of himself that are self-aware. No one can Shat like Shat. It made Denny Crane fucking genius - for awhile anyway.

But no one's perfect, so Shat periodically loses it and blows his public persona.

Carrie Fisher, on the other hand . . well she's just not anywhere in Shat's league. She can at least write books without assistance, but she's not the character Shat basically markets all the time just by breathing.

George Takei has always seen through Shanter's (mild?) narcisscism and either called him on it or verbally beat him with it in caricature.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at January 12, 2012 6:13 PM

"The only commentary Star Wars could manage was a simplistic, “Empires are bad, m’kay?”"

Nice comparison, but I think you completely gloss over the deeper meaning of Star Wars and the rest of the original trilogy.

Sure, Star Trek is diverse and deals with real world ideas, but that's the point. It's Science Fiction. It's supposed to take place in the future, and it's supposed to reflect the present in it. We look at the original Star Trek series as groundbreaking, which it was, but really it was the times that were ground breaking. All Star Trek did was do what good Science Fiction does: make you think about the present. (Look at Max Headroom and how that reflected its time.)

Star Wars, however, isn't really pure Science Fiction. Yeah, it takes place in space and has robots, but at its core it isn't a science fiction story, it's a myth.

Star Wars takes place in the past (Long time ago...), and it doesn't need to provide commentary on the present in the way Star Trek does simply because it isn't supposed to reflect the present.

What Lucas did that was so beyond "simplistic" was that he managed to tap into the mythology of human cultures and our collective past. A world mythology, the Monomyth, as Joseph Campbell, put it, with clearly defined characters and plot structure. Lucas just gave it a sci-fi twist by giving it future technology.

Lucas' genius was offering us a story we'd heard a thousand times before (that and having the foresight to retain marketing and toy rights from 20th Century Fox...) He just managed to do it really well.

Sure, it benefited from the moment, too. It was something that everyone could share and connect with in the general malaise of the post-Vietnam/Jimmey Carter-era part of the 70's. But to call Star Wars "simplistic" is, well, simplistic of you.

I also think you should include a point in the Star Wars side that gives it a win for original score. Williams' work is one of the best scores for a film ever, and much of the credit for the films success should be given to him. At least I think so...


Posted by: Some Guy at January 12, 2012 6:23 PM

Rob, you've really outdone yourself with this one sir. Best thing I've ever read.

Posted by: superasente at January 12, 2012 6:31 PM

Thank you Some Guy, for saying what my lazy ass wanted to.

Posted by: =DocDoom1= at January 12, 2012 6:54 PM

I enjoy both, but I will admit that even though the worst Star Trek series (Star Trek: Enterprise) is a lower point than the Star Wars prequels, the highs for Star Trek (the latest movie, some of the other Star Trek movies, most of the first three Star Trek series), are higher than the highs of Star Wars (Knights of the Old Republic, the original three movies).

Posted by: Devil Child at January 12, 2012 7:08 PM

(Look at Max Headroom and how that reflected its time the developing corporatist surveillance state of the early 21st century.)

There, I fixed it.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at January 12, 2012 7:10 PM

Han Solo’s smuggling vessel is the best space ship of all time

TARDIS!
That bitch has a soul and can travel in TIME. Beat that! Kessel run, my ass. A quick trip to the beginning or the end of all TIME is a quick jaunt in a TARDIS. You may be able to own the Millenium Falcon, but a TARDIS chooses its Time Lord.
/annoying third party candidate interjection.

Also: Holy HELL, Carrie Fischer either needs to get a lot of work done or dress her age, that is a hot mess. Shat is a complete ass, but who would have thought he would age better than the Princess?

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at January 12, 2012 7:10 PM

This right here is why Trek > Wars 4eva.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Max8UvHgDds

Posted by: Brian at January 12, 2012 8:24 PM

I loved Star Wars when it came out (I refuse to believe anything happened apart from those three movies) and I can to Trek late, but I will say that Trek easily wins in the battle. The SW guy I met at a convention tried to tell a friend and I we were wrong for dressing up in Trek costumes. SW was the only way to go apparently and he couldn't understand when we said we liked both!

Kirk don't need no sword to make him feel like a badarse, he can take creatures out with his butt cheek! Okay, so Darth is a bad dude and has an awesome theme, but that is about the only one I will give you. Once he is defeated though, the series is over. Lindsey hit the nail on the head, the TARDIS is the best space ship ever.

Trek wasn't science fiction, Trek is a morality play for our time. As such, this is why it has stood the test of time.

In your cosplayers you neglected the awesome male Princess Leia I saw two years ago in Melbourne. As a female, Trek offers me more options and ways not to be sexualised but respected for my mind. That's why Trek wins hands down.

Posted by: noo at January 12, 2012 9:21 PM

the worst Star Trek series (Star Trek: Enterprise) is a lower point than the Star Wars prequels

whoa there Devil Child, that's too much. Enterprise was pretty good for the first two seasons. After that it falls off considerably and doesn't seem to know what its doing. But you can't really believe it's as bad, let alone below, any of the Star Wars prequels. That is crazy talk.

Posted by: John G. at January 12, 2012 9:29 PM

Checking in to say that I think Ensign Harry Kim was supposed to be Korean, not Japanese. But Garrett Wong, the actor who played him, is Chinese.

Token Asian, gotta represent.

*pause*

I just realized I'm probably the only one who cares. *sigh* Shame to my famiry once again. Sorry, Mom.


(Nope! I care. That was my bad. I was still thinking about George Takei, I guess, so it was less casual racism and more absent minded racism. I should probably just stay away from that whole region for a while. Fixed! -RobP)

Posted by: Jelinas at January 12, 2012 9:47 PM

whoa there Devil Child, that's too much. Enterprise was pretty good for the first two seasons. After that it falls off considerably and doesn't seem to know what its doing. But you can't really believe it's as bad, let alone below, any of the Star Wars prequels. That is crazy talk.

Posted by: John G. at January 12, 2012 9:29 PM

Enterprise's first two seasons were incoherent messes of pandering scripts, bad acting, stagnant, half-finished characters that never came to fruition, plots that never went anywhere, and in general it was a complete waste of everyone's time.

Despite being a prequel set many years before the first Star Trek series, there was never any greater danger present for space travel than there was in the future, in fact, there were less casualties on Enterprise than any other previous Star Trek series.

The scripts were flat out insulting. All you would have to do is change the names around and they'd be the exact same scripts which were being used for Next Generation or Voyager, it's bad enough to be the copy of an old show, but Enterprise was a copy of a copy of an old show. In the end, it was little more than a welfare check for old Next Generation/Voyager hands, most notably Brannon Braga, the asshole who wrote the "Threshold" episode of Voyager.

Granted, Enterprise didn't have any characters that were as bad as Jar-Jar Binks, nor did it have any actors as bad as Hayden Christensen; the real issue with the Enterprise cast was that it was essentially the exact same cast that the Original Star Trek had with a few roles gender swapped.* The move was so cynical fans of Star Trek originally dismissed the casting sheet that leaked on the Internet in 2001 as a prank because they thought even Brannon Braga and Rick Berman weren't that cynical and corporate.

I could go on and on about how bad Enterprise was, but if I type much more, the Pajiba database will crash due to a gigabyte shortage.

*T'Pol was a gender swapped Spock, Hoshi was a gender swapped Sulu, the black ensign-who-was-so-inconsequential-to-the-show-I-can't-remember-his-name-nor-do-I-care-about-Googling-it was a gender swapped Uhura, etc.

Posted by: Devil Child at January 12, 2012 9:53 PM

Millenium Falcon? Ftt. A refuse hauler. You want a ship? I'll give you a ship: USS Defiant!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50d18pM4Rec

Posted by: Meander at January 12, 2012 9:58 PM

Thanks, RobP! You have honored my famiry. :)

And I also came back to correct myself: it's Garrett Wang, not Wong. Pronounced the same way, though.

Posted by: Jelinas at January 12, 2012 10:13 PM

Phasers have always creeped me out. When I was a little kid, I saw a Star Trek movie where a guy shoots himself with a phaser and screams as it completely erases him from existence. It stuck with me.

Posted by: Lucas at January 12, 2012 10:14 PM

Looks like that was Wrath of Khan. Neat.

Posted by: Lucas at January 12, 2012 11:11 PM

Quick clarification on the Kessel Run business. The books explain why it was measured in distance rather than time. Apparently, there is a black hole on the way to Kessel that all pilots need to fly around. Han Solo flew closer to the black hole than any other pilot and it cut down the distance of the trip.

I love how hard the authors of the books work to clean up Lucas' mistakes.

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Posted by: kengao46 at January 13, 2012 12:58 AM

The real question for nerds is who to hate more, George Lucas in the prequel era or Brannon Braga? (who with "Terra Nova" is continuing his tradition of ruining shows with basically interesting sci-fi premises...why does this guy still get work?)

Posted by: Jesse M. at January 13, 2012 1:28 AM

The real question for nerds is who to hate more, George Lucas in the prequel era or Brannon Braga? (who with "Terra Nova" is continuing his tradition of ruining shows with basically interesting sci-fi premises...why does this guy still get work?)

Posted by: Jesse M. at January 13, 2012 1:28 AM

Braga, if for no reason other than he went two seasons without killing a single character in Star Trek: Enterprise, including the henchman of the villains. That's without even getting into the fact that he wrote an episode of Voyager that involved turning Janeway and Paris into human salamanders and having them procreate together in lizard form.

Posted by: Devil Child at January 13, 2012 2:48 AM

I find both Star Trek and Star Wars to be just "meh." my personal favourtie sci fi show is Doctor Who, and my favourite sci fi movie is Blade Runner.

Posted by: Bellaluna at January 13, 2012 5:37 AM

"Kirk don't need no sword to make him feel like a badarse, "

-Bitch, Please.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoGanwBcLr8&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1SHxFAEjEk

Posted by: bleujayone at January 13, 2012 8:33 AM

I'd love to say that I love both equally, but I've watched five Trek films in the past month plus How William Shatner Changed the World and I haven't watched Star Wars in...three years.

Some Guy does make a valid point though in that Trek is Science Fiction while Wars falls far more into the fantasy category. Roddenberry and Co. tried to base most of the tech in Trek on feasible science and advancements that could be attainable while Lucas was more of a "let's put this shit in there cause that shit is cool!" you know, like extra rocks and stuff.

When given the choice between Science Fiction and Fantasy, I almost always fall on the side of the Science Fiction.

Posted by: admin at January 13, 2012 8:50 AM

RobP-

I'm with superasante. This is a solid article. Nice job, m'man.

Just to throw in my two credits, I dig Star Wars. A lot. In fact I have to work at paring down my lightsabre collection. But when it comes right down to it...I bleed Federation blue and would rather be beamed up.

Remember kids...no Star Trek? No Star Wars to follow it.

TROOF!

Posted by: Green Lantern at January 13, 2012 9:08 AM

@Some Guy (and everyone else who agreed with him):

George Lucas didn't create this myth. He stole it from multiple sources, including Kurasawa. See Hidden Fortress, for one.

He wrote a crappy-ass sci-fi script that people happened to love, then wisely allowed other people to take over the second (and arguably best) movie, before getting all jealous and making four steaming piles of bantha poodoo.

Don't get me wrong, I love both series and this list is a great way to explain my love. And I'm all for uniting over Twilight hatred. What a pathetic excuse for "girl power!"

Posted by: Some Girl at January 13, 2012 10:24 AM

Nowhere did I say that he did create it. Sure, similar plot points were borrowed from Kurosawa, but the Hero Quest has been around for thousands of years and has appeared across countless cultures and histories.

Again, Lucas gets credit for doing it in an original way.

Your criticism of Lucas, Some Girl, can easily be applied to The Harry Potter series, Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse, the Lord of the Rings books, the Bible and English mythology, seeing as they all contain elements of the same story/myth...

You can't deny, however, the cultural impact that Star Wars had and continues to have. Personally, I think it's arguable that Star Wars appeals to a much larger and more diverse fan base than Star Trek, despite the latter being larger and more diverse in plot and characters.

And I do think that Star Wars would have existed without the creation of Star Trek...Considering the plot and narrative are thousands of years old...

Posted by: Some Guy at January 13, 2012 10:43 AM

re: Voyager and it's diverse cast, specifically, the Naitve-American first officer...

Am I remembering this wrong or was his name Chipotle?

Posted by: PissBoy at January 13, 2012 2:10 PM

Re: the Rule 63 costumes, here is... Lady Death Star:

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/08/01/death-star-dress/

Posted by: Cody at January 13, 2012 2:11 PM

Checking in to say that I think Ensign Harry Kim was supposed to be Korean, not Japanese. But Garrett Wong, the actor who played him, is Chinese.

Token Asian, gotta represent.

*pause*

I just realized I'm probably the only one who cares. *sigh* Shame to my famiry once again. Sorry, Mom.

(Nope! I care. That was my bad. I was still thinking about George Takei, I guess, so it was less casual racism and more absent minded racism. I should probably just stay away from that whole region for a while. Fixed! -RobP)

Wouldn't Asian-blending like this count as progress? I mean, I'm just "some white guy?." All us European-spawn look alike, it seems.

Besides, there's way more of you people (See what I did there?) than us.

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at January 13, 2012 2:20 PM

Am I remembering this wrong or was his name Chipotle?


HA!

Posted by: admin at January 13, 2012 3:35 PM

I'm pretty sure it was "Chokotay," but don't ask me to spell it.

Posted by: Vanilla Porter at January 13, 2012 4:40 PM

Trek>wars, why? I am old it was first, the women were showing a lot of skin, and green, now get off my lawn.

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Posted by: Alice at January 14, 2012 8:05 AM

Yep The Star Trek universe is a lot better than star wars ( and yes Lucas SUCKS)...but star trek does need light sabers and x-wings and tie-fighters.

And how cool would it be to see Spock with a light saber? Very cool

Even more cool would be Sulu and Spock and Khan in a mano-a-mano light saber deathmatch, with tie fighters flying around overhead.

That would be really cool

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Posted by: Alice at January 15, 2012 10:34 AM

bluejayone, yes that was two moments out of how many that Kirk used a sword? He used everything at his disposal to fight, including his butt!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSHCNTELFI8&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PL05D1DCE7FB2C1413

It's in the first one :D

Posted by: noo at January 16, 2012 12:56 AM

"A world mythology, the Monomyth, as Joseph Campbell, put it, with clearly defined characters and plot structure"

Unfortunately SomeGuy Joseph Campbell was so full of shit you could use him for fertiliser.

The monomyth is a myth - his work was bunk - his theories unsupported by the facts.

"Nowhere did I say that he did create it. Sure, similar plot points were borrowed from Kurosawa, but the Hero Quest has been around for thousands of years and has appeared across countless cultures and histories."

Nope. It hasn't. The "Hero Quest" is a nonspecific easily-tortured-to-fit-the-facts bit of psuedo-scholarship that is so vague that it can be stretched to describe almost any story of "person, achieves something, changes".
It has never featured in any civilisation, rather lots of stories can be retconned into a 'Heroes Quest'-ish form if you don't care about the details and allow the 'Heroes Quest' to have lots of optional bits to obscure that all these stories are very different.

Again, Lucas gets credit for doing it in an original way.

Nope. He gets credit for nicking a bunch of ideas, including Joseph Campbell's monomyth nonsense, and making an entertaining story from them. And it mostly wasn't him. (See: The prequels)

Your criticism of Lucas, Some Girl, can easily be applied to The Harry Potter series, Siddhartha by Hermann Hesse, the Lord of the Rings books, the Bible and English mythology, seeing as they all contain elements of the same story/myth...

Nope. They didn't. The existense of the "monomyth" is the myth. Go on... tell me how the bible is part of the monomyth in any way but the trivial ("It involves people", "The characters change!" "Other generic shit that happens all over the place and does not mark out the story specifically")

The criticism that Harry Potter was 'inspired' by other things is easily substantiated, just like the case of Star Wars, but that's a seperate matter, unrelated to that monomyth monononsense, and like has been said many times, without that kind of stealing there would be no Shakespeare, etc.

Posted by: Ender at January 16, 2012 5:30 AM

I shall take the obvious fact that you did not see my comment to mean that you abdicate to my devastating logic, SomeGuy. Thanks.

Posted by: Ender at January 19, 2012 4:16 AM

Trek is better, but here are the most compelling arguments I could come up with for Star Wars: http://kooztop5.blogspot.com/2012/01/top-5-reasons-star-wars-is-better-than.html

Posted by: Kooz at January 19, 2012 1:43 PM

A big miss: Start Trek has communism in the whole earth, while Start Wars keeps the capitalism problems :o)

Posted by: Nestor at January 21, 2012 8:17 AM

A big miss: Start Trek has communism in the whole earth, while Start Wars keeps the capitalism problems :o)

Actually not communism... Socialism...

Posted by: Luminary at January 26, 2012 10:54 PM