Pajiba

Shit. Women hate each other far more than any man ever could.

Two minor point.

Julia Roberts is NOT pretty. In fact, if they ever make a movie about Camilla Parker Bowles, or Secretariat, Julia would be right there (with SJP).

As for Skank Cancer - she's just an annoying chancre. Never watched Gray's Anatomy, but I do have a very vivid memory of her very condescendingly telling the announder who had inadvertantly mispronounced her name, how it's done. She turned me off right then and she hasn't done a fucking thing to improve it. (And now she's "starring" with Mr. Demi Moore?

Some things just defy explanation. The rank hatred for SJP and Rainbow Killer? That's just a natural fact.

This is a pretty solid list.

Am I the only one who doesn't like Sandra Bullock? There's something about her that rubs me the wrong way.

No feelings either way about the women on this list (indeed, I think it's great that SJP has gotten as far as she had without being beautiful - aren't there enough women in Hollywood who are beautiful, for God's sake?) except for Paltrow. Bitch is insufferable.

"I think she’s a great Pepper Potts [*not a difficult role*], and I think she has a pretty decent sense of humor about herself, too [*she has absolutely no sense of humor about herself - trust me*]."

Admittedly, I ragged a LOT on these girls during my tenure at LitelySalted, but I have to admit, for the most part, there was always the nagging feeling in the back of my head that they really didn't deserve the flack. Hell, most of the people I knocked didn't really deserve it. It was never anything personal: It was a matter of comedy. No one was allowed to be above being made fun of.

The only one I never liked was Gwyneth Paltrow. There's just something about her that irks me right the fuck off. I just think she's generally pretty awful.

I really don't have an issue with most of these women. But Gwyneth Paltrow and Katherine Heigel tend to be condescending twats. Bitchy, annoying, spoiled, and bad movie choices I can handle but the second you actually condescend even the tiniest bit, I'm fucking done with you.

I'm so sorry, ladies. But lucking into genetics and overpaid jobs doesn't make you better than anyone else. Get over yourselves and praise the good Lord in heaven that you aren't scrubbing toilets for the bad karma you're collecting with that bullshit.

In order:

Aniston: Don't hate her at all. She's merely there.

SJP: You seem to think that the inference that one has features common to the species Equus ferus caballus indicates hatred. Not at all. However she does make some movies that make Bratz dolls look like wholesome role-models.

Paltrow: What PaddyDog said. Also, the fact that she thinks a casual outfit good for a day at the park should cost around $5,000 really does make her seem like an entitled, out-of-touch hosebag.

Fox: Much like Aniston. Just there but slightly more dirty.

Heigl: You left out the part where she basically tried to rape the show that started her career.

Katherine Heigl I mostly hate because of the two years during which I was addicted to Grey's Anatomy. That character was just so utterly insufferable and I can't separate the two of them. Also, that show was terrible and I felt dirty and gross after watching it. But I COULDN'T STOP. And now that I've broken the addiction, I hate her and everyone else from the show. Except Eric Dane, because he's pretty. And I can never resist the pretty.

Also: Please note that in saying "the pretty," I said "the" and not "teh." When you are using an adjective as a noun colloquially, it is not necessary to substitute a misspelled word in order to emphasize your lack of formal sentence composition.

I dunno about anyone else but I kinda get the hate for Jennifer Aniston because she made a career out of playing the victim for SOOOOO LOOONG. She was dumped and then it was like her stupid face was on the cover of EVERY magazine telling us how she was "miserable" or "desperate" and then she really didn't do herself any favors with her movie choices. And then even when it seemed she had moved on... the mags made a big show of how she was "STICKING IT TO BRAD" like... get over it already... and when THOSE relationships died... it was always OMG POOOOR JEN!!!!!

oh and Megan Fox looks like a blow up doll... that is all.

I don't have any irrational hate for most of these women. Quite possibly because although I am a woman and therefore, am supposed to belong to the demographic that most of the movies they star in try to appeal to, I prefer to spend my money on horror flicks. And even I knew Jennifer's Body wasn't going to be worth my $10.

As for Heigl, well, I will preface by saying I have never watched a single episode of Grey's in my life, but I have seen a couple of movies she was in, and she honestly didn't do half bad. Granted, she was the same character in each movie, but to my eyes she did it well. I have seen one interview with her, and here seems to be the problem: she tries to be charming, but the poor girl has not one ounce of charm in her body. I don't hate her, but then my exposure to her is minimal. *shrugs*

Paltrow, now. Paltrow I severely dislike, and I don't know why. It isn't that she chooses bad movies - for the most part, she doesn't. It isn't that I hate her characters - I don't. And it isn't because she is too self-righteous for me to handle - I tend to ignore most celeb talk/interviews/blogs/whathaveyou. All I know is that every time I see her, I feel the need to plant my hand in the middle of her face and push. Malin Akerman does this to me, too. Worse than Paltrow, actually. Perhaps I just have something against people with flat faces?

Speaking of women I have an irrational hate for: Tipper Gore. I could never forgive her for that whole parental warning on musical lyrics thing. Seems she missed the part about free speech in civics class. Plus, WASPs who use their sorority nicknames instead of their real names really need to go the way of the lesser spotted dodo. Anyway, it seems Al doesn't like her that much either.

"but these five women are generally regarded just as poorly by other women."

Women can be just as sexist as men.

Okay;

Jennifer Anniston I dont hate as such. She is 'eh' to me. I DO think she kind of needs to accept that she isn't going to have a career beyond friends.
She's not a great actress. It's as simple as that. She shone as Rachel Green but she PEAKED too and she didn't notice and it's getting annoying. She probably is a lovely woman, but she needs to start fading away gracefully, or at the very least, demand more challenging roles to see if the spark of SOMETHING she showed in the movie with Jake Gyllenhaal, can come to something more.

SJP...It's the clothes. It's the absolute certainty of EVERYONE that She/Carrie Bradshaw is some sort of fashion GODDESS who we should all WORSHIP because she spends her days talking about shoes and cocktails. SJP as a person seems lovely and aware but capable of ignoring, people's perception of her looks. But the CLOTHES. And that look she does on the red carpet, that 'sultry' squint at the cameras like she's saying 'yes...thats right...my hat is an actual size faux giraffes neck and head...it towers 15 feet above ME and the CROWD and you LOVE IT because I am SJP'
The fact is, she dresses, most of the time, like a moron. And makes lousy, weak ass films which get sequels, when shows like The Sopranos and Deadwood haven't had ONE yet.

Gwynnie...Gwyneth is weird. In Iron Man, I sort of like her. She isn't as strong as her male counterparts in term of wit, speed and improv skills, but she's incredibly likable as Pepper Potts.
In real life, how ever, she seems to make an effort to be smug and superior. If it's a long running joke, then fair enough, but if she's really that kind of milk fed, cotton wrapped little porcelain doll type person, I can't be around that sort of neuroticism. She's the kind of person I feel like would lose her fool mind the first time her kid skins his knee, or would ban you from the house for not washing the peanut butter smell off your breath before playing with her kids in case they develop allergies. Just...egh.

I straight fucking love Megan Fox and you all know it. I LOVE HER.

Katherine Heigl...honestly, I knew of her from a few movies and from Roswell High before she was the mega star she is now, and frankly she's been playing the same role for years; Snobbish, haughty, smug etc...and it frustrates because to ME? She's not even that pretty, and she doesn't seem smart enough to warrant the level of smug she possesses.
She does seem to have mellowed since she adopted her kid and that's great and it's lovely to see a star genuinely change their persona because of the joy a child has brought to their life. It's awesome and cheesy and fantastic.
But Heigl...yeah...she just seems...I feel like even now that she's 'nicer' or since she got a publicist who shook her like a british nanny, she'd still be kind of a pill in private.
And if that's who she is for reals, fine, great...good for her for not compromising her self, I suppose...but she's still sort of a dick.

i don't hate these actresses but i'm irrelevant about her.
The one and only actress i really dislike since March is Sandra Bullock (how she was able to win an Oscar??? a great drama actress?? good movies?? career achievement???)

I find them annoying for the same reason I find Tom Cruise annoying: they're actors that get paid millions of dollars in swag and money to just talk during movies and TV shows. I have never seen something any of them are in where I am engrossed in the character, lost in the script, or shaken my head in amazement at their transformation. I see Megan Fox talking. I see Katherine Heigl in doctor scrubs crying. I see Jennifer Aniston in a great haircut. But they have never done anything that pushes the boundaries of their craft or their skills (at whatever skill level you believe they are on.) None of them have ever gained or lost weight for a role like Charlize Theron (Mr. Scorzi literally had no idea when we were watching Monster who the actress was), they have never given a convincing ethnic type or accent to any character they've done, they have never done any TV or film work out of their comfort zone (who wouldn't want to see Gwyneth Paltrow as a junkie? Sarah Jessica Parker try her hand behind the camera? Megan Fox doing a voice over for a cartoon or commercial?)

I don't hate these women. I don't wish them AIDS or death or the loss of a limb. Sometimes I wish I had their abs and boobs but that's it. I just wish that if they ARE going to be in the public eye so much, and they ARE going to stick around for years to come, then please just TRY! Give a damn about being an actress! Even if you fall on your face it shows you cared about something, and people will respect you for that. That's why people idolize Al Pacino, Christopher Walken, Meryl Streep...hell, even Mickey Rourke fought his way back from anonymity. They've all bombed in something, they all embarrassed themselves, but they looked outside their comfort zone to see how many more layers of "actressin'" they had inside themselves. I don't respect the five women up there not because they're women, but because (like a lot of musicians nowadays) they have everything they could want in life at their fingertips and they have chosen to be mediocre.

5. Jennifer Aniston: Agree with Tammers - The fact that every tabloid talks about her when she's hardly in any movies frustrates me. They try to make her seem like a normal woman and how she was betrayed by a man, trying to get a demographic who feels the same way to buy their magazine. They want her to her to be the icon of a failed marriage by distrust and how she won't give up hope. It's more stalkerish than empowering and that's disturbing. Play gender reversal (guy going after a girl), and people would be that it's stalker behavior; I hate that double-standard.

4. Sarah Jessica Parker: How she's this icon of beauty when she's not. I'm not the most attractive man in the world, but I don't go seeing myself as something all the women want. Watched The Family Stone and that's how I picture her in real life: snotty, selfish and egotistical.

3. Gwyneth Paltrow: Besides some comments about preferring England to America, I really don't hate the woman. Though her constant "help me" character she plays in movies is getting a little tiresome (Iron Man 2 aside).

2. Megan Fox: No real hate, I just don't find her to be as attractive as most guys says she is.

1. Katherine Heigl: It's the whole blasting of the writers on Gray's and Knocked Up that I have the issue with. If you criticize that the people who helped made you by saying you didn't have enough to work with, you're a jerk. The comments about feminine issues in movies would've been awesome had she A) Not just made a movie where she was playing a well-rounded character and B) not followed up with 27 Dresses, The Ugly Truth, Killers and upcoming Life As We Know It.

And not a redhead on the list. Just saying. Maybe you should make a list of the top 5 redheads people irrationally LOVE. Or top twenty. Whatevs.

- a bottle Ginger

Out of the five the only one I really dislike is Gwyneth Paltrow. Even if you earn your success, if you act like an overbearing prim Donna people are going to dislike you, for example Woody Allen. If you've had success handed to you then people really do not what to hear making pronouncements from the mountain top. Especially when they are as vacuous as her typical rants.

As for Katherine Heigl, I don't respect her because of the way she treated the writers and coworkers from her TV show. But other then that I don't care one way or another about her.

...and most of the comments seem to confirm that I'm right.

The short version for all of them: their personas feel manufactured. And the few times you're allowed past the veil, you find either a massive raging bitch (Heigl) or a massive, raging, entitled bitch (Paltrow).

This is a quiz I can pass.

5) Jennifer Aniston - Along Came Polly, the Rachel haircut

4) Sarah Jessica Parker - Sex and the City: The Movie, Smart People

3) Gwyneth Paltrow - that whole Oscar at 26/7 situation over 4 better performances, GOOP

2) Megan Fox - shit filmography, bitch face

1) Katherine Heigl - her own words, "I did not feel that I was given the material this season to warrant an Emmy nomination and in an effort to maintain the integrity of the academy organization [declines eligibility]...In addition, I did not want to potentially take away an opportunity from an actress who was given such materials."

Now where's my prize?

It’s too easy and misguided to blame it on sexism: That may play a role in some of it (and the characterizations of them as “whores,” “hags,” and “bitches,” doesn’t help) but these five women are generally regarded just as poorly by other women.

Not to get all women's studies on ya'll but since when do we absolve something of being sexist simply because "THE WIMMINS DO IT TOO!!1" Women can be sexist. If someone tries to insult me by calling me a bitch/cunt/filthy whore/whatever I'm not gonna be like "WHAT DID YOU JUS- oh, wait...you have a vag, never mind, we're cool, toootally not sexist anymore"

But anyway, your question is why do we hate these women, but I mean really, the reasons we hate them (tabloid pandering, having more money than god, being out of touch, acting holier than thou, acting entitled/snobby, complaining about being rich and famous, seeming ungrateful) are the reasons we hate MOST celebrities. I think the more interesting question is why our dislike becomes vocalized in such gendered terms.

I don't have any strong feelings about any of these actresses. I refuse to believe, though, that my hatred for Michael Bay is in any way "irrational."

ERM, I didn't know that about SJP.

Still doesn't make me like her though, alas

Heigl - Mouthy? No. Cunty? Yes.

"1. Is your brother single?
2. Does he like the ladies or the men?
3. What is his name and can I have his number?"

Guy likes women but he's married so I guess that makes him off limits to everyone.

Of all of them, I would say Aniston is the least deserving of the hate. She's no real actress, but she seems like a perfectly nice person. I don't get the bitchy self-serving vibe that I do from the others. And I'll admit that while she isn't that talented, she has made a genuine effort in a few of her films. In my eyes, it made her a bit more likeable.

I agree with Nadine when it comes to SJP. She's always associated with Carrie Bradshaw, who was already annoying as hell, and considered a fashion icon, for reasons I don't get. Parker is odd looking, but there are times when I thought she looked striking, like in Hocus Pocus.

Ok, I know that's a reach, but the weird corpse-y appearance worked for her, and she had dynamite boobs.

But is she pretty? No, and I won't pretend that she is. This is where people go one way or another. Calling her horse face and all that is cruel and unnecessary, but going to the other extreme that "She's so pretty, what the hell is wrong with you?" is just as bad. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but all the hats, dresses and Manolo Blahniks won't make SJP pretty, and sadly, she isn't aging well. It's not her fault. That's just how it is. And throwing her in rom-coms where men lust after her just feels like it's pushing the limit, even for the movies.

Something about Heigl has always bothered me, even in My Father the Hero. Couldn't stand her. After she threw the writers under the bus, I was done with her.

Sure the whole "Goop"/Holier Than Thous thing is a bit irritating, but I think her heart is in the right replace even if her execution is all off.

I'm 100% room temperature on the subject of most of these women, with an exception of GPal. GPal is every woman's NLNNTOCT (Normal Looking New Neighbour who Turns Out to be a Conceited Twit .... but this becomes apparent only after you have generously invited her over to your house party where she has upset all your friends). For this and no other reason I find her irritating -- for hypothetically moving into the hypothetical next door house and then hypothetically coming to my hypothetical party and ruining it by pissing off everybody I like and love. This is a capital offence and her good or otherwise intentions and the exact whereabouts of her heart are irrelevant. I'm sorry, really, and I know is sounds borderline insane but I just can't help it.

Nope. Most of these don't really work for me.

Paltrow annoys me because she knows everything and does not miss an opportunity to let you know that. But I enjoy watching her movies and pretending that she is getting her head lopped off in all of them so I take that as a win.

I have recently joined team Megan due to her escape from the Transformers series. Perhaps if Shia Lebeef breaks camp I may learn to like him too.

Ms. Aniston has a lifetime pass from me due to Office Space - "I don't really like talking about my flair." Also she has nice hair. So most of the time I am pretty neutral about her. But she would earn my undying devotion if she were to publicly acknowledge that Brad Pitt was HORRIBLE in bed.

SJP jokes are mean. She was in Square Pegs. And she seems to have a good sense of humor about being voted the most unsexy by some idiotic publication last year.

I am sadly unmoved by Heigl, having never watched Grey's Anatomy (And you can't make me). She was awful (Well, the movie was awful) in The Ugly Truth, but good in Knocked Up. So, whatevs.

Gisele Bundchen, however, has been working my last remaining nerve since she told the world she gave birth in a bathtub and feld relatively little pain. I don't know how I can stop myself from hating her. If anyone has any suggestions, I'm listening.

5. Aniston could perhaps have solved the whole "Tabloids won't stop asking about Brad" situation: every time they brought it up she could have said "I am not going to talk about that any more." and then stuck to it. I am one of those people who gets tired of seeing her constantly trotted out as the victim. It's been, like, 6 years. MOVE ON. Also, there's the whole thing about her not being particularly talented.

4. I have no problems with SJP. I don't like Sex in the City but I don't hold her personally responsible for it. She seems like a reasonable person. She doesn't seem like a whiner, at least...which I think is actually my problem with the others on this list.

3. Oh, GOOP. She seems really entitled and out of touch and whiny. But I have resolved that Margot Tennenbaum gets her a pass for most things.

2. Megan Fox, for me, is that girl who is always all "Oh, it's so tough to be so hot because guys are always trying to get with me and give me stuff and do things for me. Boohoo, being beautiful is so HAAAAAAAAAAAARD." I can't bring myself to empathize.

1. It's the hand-biting that bothers me here. If you think the show is bad, quit. If you can't or won't, shut up. And if the Academy is nice enough to nominate you for something, be grateful instead of being all "I'm certainly awesome enough, but the material I was given was bad, so I'm going to embarrass the people who create the product that pays my bills by saying up front that I think they suck."

You know, for about a month now every one of these lists of people we hate, or why do we hate so and so posts, have been about women. Other then teh bayness you'd think we like every guy in hollywood.

and yeah. i said teh.

These comments are depressing as hell. The more people try to justify why they spew hate about these women into the universe, the more obvious it is that there is nothing to substantiate the rage. They don't bathe in the blood of kittens and they don't date hookers with swastika tattoos. It seems that they are just too happy, too self-confident and too successful to be likable.

"You know, for about a month now every one of these lists of people we hate, or why do we hate so and so posts, have been about women. Other then teh bayness you'd think we like every guy in hollywood."

I can give you a list of guys in Hollywood I can't stand. But that is not interesting to The Internets. You look on any of the entertainment sites and most of the critical posts are reserved for the women. It's no wonder everyone can come up with a million reasons to hate these women.

Good point Greer.

So here's a list of Hollywood men I hate;

Adrien Brody; I just dont understand it. I have seen enough of The Pianist to find his acting..yeah, okay, what ever. Not great. Certainly not Oscar great. Not terrible or anything.

Jamie Foxx; Overrated and irritating. Basically playing himself, film to film to film to film.

Jared Leto: He only just barely qualifies but the dude is douche personified. I dont care how pretty, he is an emo whiny bitch who rips off every music video from a film. We get it Jared, you were/are an actor. You know shit. Great. Super . Awesome.

Elijah Wood: He is SO creepy. And he cant act. He cant.

That Swayer dude from Lost? He has a TINY FUCKING HEAD. IT IS SO SMALL. HE NEEDS TO SLIM HIS BODY OR ENLARGE HIS HEAD.

Russel Crowe: Never could act, still cant, shouldn't have won an Oscar for Gladiator(yes for Beautiful Minds though) because he didnt fucking act in the film. Also he's a DICK.

Another Jen, awesome point. Yeah..I said AWESOME.

But yeah, you're right. I suppose my school experience was just slightly different in that we didn't have the shiny popular kids and the rest of the plebians, so no one who was just gorgeous was automatically labelled a slut.

Plus we're in Liverpool, which, if you know England at all, means that a misplaced word could end in a stabbing.

But no, you'r point is a great one, Pretty Girls Give It Up, no matter how they ACTUALLY live their life.

And Yeah, I guess in some ways the world is still a baby when it comes to women talking openly about sex. Or rather...we as a people have been so traumatised by Samantha from SATC and her granny sexin's (not Kim Catrall, who is insane and amazing)and Madonna and her old,old, dusty leotards, and their...reputations for being both open about sex, and having lots of it, with lots of people, that we assume EVERY woman who talks about sex must be getting lots of it.

Which is a shame.

I feel stupider (yep, stupider) for reading this. Right now I have a rational hate on for this SRL and most comments.

Ooooh Greer we're onto something.

Also, yeah. If I have a hatred, I can usually rationalise it. You might not agree with my logic but dont call it irrational.

I'm not gonna lie--this article pissed me off. Maybe it's the wondering tone of it: WHY are all these women hated on so rabidly by the universe? For a website that usually has at least a modicum of progressive sensibility, it shocks me that the elephant in the room is never addressed. Yes, I'm talking about misogyny. I have no doubt that some of these women have said annoying things at one point or another. The fact is, however, that they are held to ridiculous standards; this is evidenced by the very comments on this article, which exemplify the mouth-breathing mentality of the people who rag on these women without any consideration whatsoever as to how the performance of gender colors our perception of female celebrities. They're bitches! Cunts! Uppity! They think they're better than everyone else! Women hate them because they're just jealous! Etc. ad nauseum. But I guess if these women actively denigrated themselves, somehow they would be more acceptable (not).

There are plenty of male celebrities who are irritating; I am sure that many of the commenters and writers of this site could name them, but somehow the worst vitriol is reserved for irritating women. I just cannot fully express how disappointed I am that someone with a liberal mindset would publish an article that purports to be completely agog at the idea that women could face hatred without ever looking deeper into the reason.

And as for the idiotic idea that women who look down on other women aren't sexists: are you kidding me? Fuck off, seriously. Women can be prejudiced against other women--often these prejudices, too, are rooted in a hatred of their own gender. A lot of women feel pressured to hate on other women because it will endear them to men. See, they're not like those other bitches! They're just one of the guys, not like those other catty girls, girls are so petty, they'll stab you in the back, I'm not like that, and that's why I just want to kick back and drink a beer with my male friends blah blah blah. YES, women can internalize misogyny, asshat.

Yeah, but anyway, I'M SURE sexism and misogyny has NOTHING to do with it. You just keep wondering what the real reason is. In the meantime, keep hating on Katherine Heigl.

Assuming we stuck to hollywood and left out politics my top five hated men would be Tom Cruise, Roman Polanski, Kanye West, Perez Hilton (does he count as being from hollywood?), and who ever it was at Fox that screwed up Fire Fly. One I know I should hate but don't is Mel Gibson. I just like his old movies too much.

Nadine, your comment about "That Sawyer Dude from Lost" made me laugh so hard that I almost needed to invent a brand-new Internet meme to describe my reaction. Almost. And I don't even have an opinion about Josh Holloway or his tiny fucking head. But while we're on the subject of Hollywood men we hate, can I throw Mike Meyers' and Jerry Seinfeld's names into the ring? Maybe they're both gifted comedians, I don't know, but they exude a douche vibe so powerful I can sense it from my basement.

I wanted to watch Milk but Penn did put me off. I can handle him in small doses, like my cocaine. Too much and I just get Crazy.

SB, If Crowe shouts Go Russ Go in coitus I might have to be his best friend

Good calls on Sean Penn and Mike Myers. Can't say I agree on Ricky Gervais though. That video of him arguing with Elmo grants at least a 10 year pass with me.

for those who somehow havent seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kr9_5uZn6ds

@ EricD

Wasn't it you who said somewhere upthread that strangely, most of the lists of people this site claims to hate written in the past few months have been about women? And that except for Michael Bay, it seems like male actors are beloved by all? If it wasn't you, forgive me--it must have been some other EricD.

And clearly the whole thing is perfectly related to your stupid analogy about ice cream (pro tip: being sexist against women is not like enjoying one ice cream flavor more than others). You must be right; sexism has nothing whatsoever to do with this website's pressing need to rag on women, and then proceed to act shocked when women are torn apart in the media and on other blogs.

There has probably been some finding by an evolutionary psychologist that gives a perfectly reasonable explanation as to why otherwise progressive men would tear apart famous women for reasons like "she looks like she thinks she's better than me," right? Your assertion that sexism has nothing to do with it (I guess it also has nothing to do with the fact that women get paid 75 cents for every dollar men make for doing the same work) sure came fast; what, then, would you say is the cause? Because strangely enough, it's not men who are given lists like this.

Also, I think EricD said it perfectly, and we've disproved it any way; For some of us, this list isn't about misogyny.
Nothing shocking or flamey is going on.
For some of us we're acknowledging that yes there is a hate for these women, but as we're showing, there's just as much hate for men. More of them, in fact. I dont see a single person here volunteering more women to hate on but plenty of people have men they despise for 'irrational' reasons.

I'm not saying women can't be misogynistic against other women, and lets face it, there are groups of women who can be downright awful to other women for reasons based solely on gender and gender roles; a lot of younger women despise older generations for fulfilling the Stepford Wife trope.
A lot of older women resent the youngers for being more open about sex, relationships, for refusing to marry or bear children, or for refusing to marry despite bearing children etc et al.

This list, at no point said 'we hate these hags, they are awful, lets list why harhar'
It posed a question, WHY are these women despised?

And to be completely honest, the majority of these women have done at least one or to completely obnoxious things which inspire some resentment which ignores riches or looks and is based entirely on just what it is to be a nice person and stuff people do which goes against that.
Gender isn't an issue here, at least not to me. It's attitude and behaviour.
As I've said, we've already turned this into a list of (more) men we hate irrationally or rationally. What's the word for ragging on men for being male?

This list isn't mysogynistic. It's inspired a few commenters to call out bitches for being bitches, whiners for being whiners, the untalented for being untalented. Which we do every day. Like, literally every day. I'm fairly certain every woman above could appear in a Pajiba Love Post, in seperate links, inspire identical reactions, and it wouldn't raise any fuss.

*sigh* this article coming the day after labelling a young victoria's secret model "fake and plastic" with commenters saying her face was weird and messed up.

I can't say I'm a fan of SJP but enough with all the fucking horse/hag comments- are there any "annoying" male actors whose look gets torn apart so viciously?

And you should just own your Heigl hatred because the worst stuff I've ever seen written about her has been on this here site (rather that out in the general "universe" as the title suggests) Fucking skank cancer?

I'm sure I should just lighten up shouldn't I?

Nadine,

You might think it has nothing to do with gender. I invite you to read the comments on this very article, which are rife with sexism. Look through the comments, go on: these women are bitches, cunts, uppity, harpies, shrews, talentless, ugly, and on and on. If you think this has nothing to do with gender, that is fine; but the way I see it, this has everything to do with gender, and what's more it is firmly rooted in misogyny.

Women hate on other women because this society encourages us to do so. I cannot tell you how many women I have met over the course of my life who brag about having no female friends, who say women are all catty bitches, and they're not like that, they're just one of the guys. THIS IS MISOGYNY. It is internalized, but there it is. The purely idiotic assertion that Dustin made in this article--namely, that women can't possibly be sexist--is so stupid it barely merits mentioning, but apparently some people don't get it.

Oh, yeah, and people are listing men. I don't see a list on this site--people are listing men as a reaction to this article. And some of the men I've seen listed... irrational hate for ROMAN POLANSKI? I think people have rational reasons for hating that motherfucker. Katherine Heigl is not comparable to a child rapist (although I bet Dustin would say she is, har har, it's so funny, let's call her a skank one more time).

But yeah, gender is totally irrelevant.

Julie, I do understand misogyny between women, as I said.
I understand that mentality that women have to hate other women for their success or their failure. We should hate that Duggart woman for having 20 kids but at the same time we should hate women who almost violently reject the idea of motherhood and make incredibly violent comments about how much they hate children.

We should resent our mothers for cooking our dads dinner and ironing his socks and they should resent their daughters for refusing to do so and telling our partners, if we have them, to do their own damn laundry.

Yeah, I agree, calling any hatred for Polanski irrational is silly, because he fucking sucks.
But I've never known a list posted on this site that didn't have a countering list posted at most, a day later. By tomorrow there will be a male version of this list.

I'm not saying misogny against women, by women, doesn't exist, but as I pointed out in the post I made before I read yours addressed to me(sorry for that terrible sentence), we've been making fun of Michael Bay for weeks. Years, really, but more acutely, this last week or so.
We go on about his tiny dick and pull him down and make fun...but it's okay if he's a successful male because he IS kind of an asshole?

Face it, while, awful things have been said about Number 1 on the list, Katherine Heigl, on this site- she is still a brat. She's ungrateful, she's conceited, she spits in the faces of the people who made her famous. She has no concept of grace or goodwill and almost makes an effort to annoy people.
While being a strong, opinionated woman is all well and good, there's a line between being honest, and shitting on the people who made you.
Heigl crossed that and has made the most feeble attempts to fix her mistakes by declaring she was young and stupid etc etc.
So yeah, she has had awful things said about her that she maybe doesn't deserve.
But she is making more money a year than most of us will ever even see and STILL acts like a 14 year old being told NO for the first time, at every oppurtnity, so to be honest, if I want to call someone so obscenely ungrateful for all the wonderful things they've achieved and been helped to attain, a rainbow killer or a straight bitch, I'm gonna. Because she is.

Same way I will call Polanski and Michael Jackson kiddie fiddlers, Gwyneth a snob, Tom Cruise a mindless ScientologyDroid with a tiny dick and passive aggressive control issues. Same way I'll say Heidi Montag makes me sad because she is just a victim, and her dickish husband makes me want to commit acts of violence on his face.
It isn't gender, it's the people themselves.

You could replace everyone on this list with a dude and keep the reasons for the hatred the same and no one would notice you hadn't changed the text. Unless you left 'she' and junk around but I'm not your proofreader.

I do understand your point Julie, I do. I just dont agree.

Julie, I don't think that word means what you think it means.

misogyny: noun. a hatred of women.
Etymology: Greek misogynia, from misein to hate + gyne woman

And the point of the ice cream analogy is accurate. Either you hate women or you don't. Hating certain individual women does not make you a misogynist. Do you honestly believe that the people in this thread couldn't give long lists of women they respect, admire and love? If so I feel really sorry for you. Also, you must skip a lot of the other posts. And yes, it was me that pointed out that the lists of late have been focusing on just the women. But that’s more a reflection on the person making the posts, not on the people participating in the discussions.

And btw, here's my list of five women in hollywood I really like:

Angelina Jolie, I know she gets as much hate as love around here but the lady can act, does more humanitarian work then half of hollywood combined and to top it off, she is amazingly attractive. And mind you, she was born into the business just like Gwyneth Paltrow.

Tina Fey, I disagree completely with her politics. But she is funny as hell, classy, and beautiful in an "every woman" kind of way.

Felicia Day, Like other people around here I have a weakness for the ginger. And Codex is my hero, when she couldn't find work she created her own, built a following, and is on her way to being a star.

Drew Barrymore, Drew has grown on me in the last few years. Ten years ago I would have probably put her on a list of most hated. Kind of the RDJ of women for me. She has gone through hell and comeback stronger than ever. I wish she would pick better projects but I can watch her in pretty much anything. I even liked Music and Lyrics.

Jodie Foster, One of the best actors working. Sometimes beautiful, sometimes not. I hope she gets a lead in another blockbuster soon.

I don't like any of them.

Megan Fox, though, I feel almost nothing for because I barely know who she is. She looks horribly plastic, but other than that, I've never heard her speak or seen her in a movie (she is in movies, right? or not? TV?).

The rest?

Jennifer Aniston: I do not like her. But I don't HATE her. I don't like her because she's a crap actress who, despite that fact, has made millions. There are fantastic actresses out there who will never make a dime at it and here's this awful AWFUL actress who has raked it in. It makes NO sense.

But there's more to it than that: when Brad Pitt left her, her female fans became sort of insane. If you dared to express a positive opinion about Brad or Angelina (God forbid!) you were just fucking raked over the COALS for it. So yeah, that's her fans more than her, but it has affected how I feel about her.

Third, GOD SHE'S SO FUCKING BORING. There's almost nothing interesting about this woman. Nothing. She's like a slice of white bread on a beige plate sitting on a soggy cardboard box on a cloudy day and nothing but silence all around.

No, that's probably more interesting.

So you see, I don't HATE her, that would require energy. But I do have an automatic eye-roll if I so much as see her face anywhere.

Heigl just seems like an entitled brat to me. Could be wrong, but I doubt it.

I don't hate SJP, but I can't stand the sound of her voice. I don't think she's ugly (and don't care much about her looks anyway), but there's something off about her. Something manufactured that I can't put my finger on. Something in her persona.

Gwyneth Paltrow also seems like a whiny entitled brat. I once liked her but now I can't even watch Shakespeare in Love anymore.

EricD does that mean you think a person can't be racist if they like Denzel Washington and Will Smith?

Calling someone a bitch, whore, cunt, hag is not negated just because there are some women you call beautiful, classy, sweet.

I like SJP and Megan Fox for some reason, and the unwarranted vitriol for them can get disturbing at times. SJP can't help the face she was born with, I applaud her for not looking like Nicole Kidman by now, and by all accounts she's an incredibly sweet and friendly person.

On the other hand, Katherine Heigl, GOOP and Rachel annoy the ever living crap out of me - I think it's their personalities. Obnoxious, self-entitled and plays the sympathy card too often.

Calling someone a bitch, whore, cunt, hag is not negated just because there are some women you call beautiful, classy, sweet.

Calling a woman a bitch, whore, cunt or hag also does not make you a misogynist. Crude maybe, but not misogynist. You are trying to create an environment where you can't hate a woman because of the simple fact that she is a woman. That is more sexist then anything I've seen in these comments.

Okay EricD I think we're just going to have to agree to disagree. I believe that because those terms "bitch, whore, cunt, hag" are so gendered, that using them is misogynistic regardless of your (general your!) admiration of other women.

Just like using a racial slur to describe someone is racist despite admiration of another person of the same race.

If you want to "hate" someone as an individual then knock their individual traits- though I think we forget that we don't actually know these actors/actresses so other than their acting ability there isn't really much point bashing them for what may or may not be true (rudeness, greed).

And like someone else said earlier, when it comes to bashing appearances- its their frikin face! What are they supposed to do? Aren't actors by trade supposed to play unique characters- yet they're judged when they don't fit into the generic "beautiful" critera.

Brutus, I take that as a compliment. If your idea of fun is being a raging sexist douchenozzle, then yes, hanging around with me would be a real big drag.

WAIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No calling women those awful female-centric pejoratives. I hate those. I agreed with the ice cream statement. But no, no, no one needs to be called those names.

Also, yeah, no one cares, but I did come back. My threats were empty. Although to be fair, the ads have stopped attacking my eyes, so it's almost like I can pretend I had something to do with it.

Don't get the Paltrow hate. She's a very versatile actress who RARELY takes a wrong turn in choosing films.

Yeah, she's a snob...but I'm sure most celebrities are, she just has a blog about it.

And do you wanna know why I hate hate Jennifer Aniston? Not only does she make bad films but she is a BAD actress. With the exception of The Good Girl, she always plays Rachel. And she deserved it when Ricky Gervais said that at the Golden Globes because she hasn't worked hard enough to correct it. She has no range and she keeps making the same old crap. Am I really supposed to feel sorry for her? I feel like she's been playing on the same victim public persona for years and I'm tired of it. And don't think for one second she doesn't promote that pathetic image.

And really Dustin? The Megan Fox hate is compeltely rational. Again, terrible actress and she does even more ass-talking than Heigl, if that's possible. And Heigl is the biggest hypocrit still earning a million dollar paycheque, I have no sympathy for her.

I just want to say to Heigl and Fox, "Shut your damn mouth! You're beautiful and stinking rich. You chose to be in the projects you so arrogantly speak out against! Shove a tampon in it and call it a fucking day ladies."

No.

The point keeps being brought up that women are only judged by their looks. Which doesn't make sense, since only one on that list is not beautiful. Other then her jockey and maybe her gynecologist, no one hates SJP for being ugly. There are plenty of unattractive women that most people here do not hate. Hell, Jane Lynch is worshiped on Pajiba. What they do hate, is being lied to. And for 17 years there has been an active campaign to convince us that Mrs. Parker is beautiful. Well I’m sorry, she isn’t. And the harder they push against reality saying other wise, the harder the backlash. And if you bothered to read most of the posts you would see that that is what people are saying.

As far as the words like "cunt" and "whore", I can see how those are offensive. But calling out someone for using offensive language and labeling everyone misogamist are out of proportion. Especially when the language is currently in common use. Unless the whole point is to go over board in your reactions to call attention to the problem. But if so, I think you are misjudging how people will react.

And speaking of those words, I did a search on this thread to see just how much they were used.

I would guess that cunt is the most offensive of the bunch. It shows up in the following posts:

"If someone tries to insult me by calling me a bitch/cunt/filthy whore/whatever I'm not gonna be like "WHAT DID YOU JUS- oh, wait..." - RedRightAnkle (in a post admonishing the use of those words)

"Heigl - Mouthy? No. Cunty? Yes." - longocoat000

"They're bitches! Cunts! Uppity! They think they're better than everyone else" - julie

"Look through the comments, go on: these women are bitches, cunts, uppity, harpies, shrews, talentless, ugly, and on and on" - julie

"Calling someone a bitch, whore, cunt, hag is not negated just because there are some women you call beautiful, classy, sweet." - soraya

"Calling a woman a bitch, whore, cunt or hag also does not make you a misogynist" - EricD (in response to soraya)

whore is probably next. Posts not already mentioned that us it:

"I don't see where anything she's done gets her counted as a "whore" - Bd (in reference to Megan Fox)

"Fox - another tough one to rationalize. I think a lot of the "whore" comments stem from her - self admitted - will to create whatever public image is necessary to maintain popularity" - lubeg

"She doesn't seem to have earned her fame. Also enough with the whore mouth!" - fifteenkeys (refering to Megan Fox)

"I have never seen anyone on this site call Megan Fox a whore." - Nadine

The rest of the words? There is pretty liberal use of the word bitch but so what. Hag only occures in posts discussing the use of the word hag. uppity? Does anyone really use that word? Cause the only place I see it here are in julie's posts.

Seems like most of the offensive language is coming from people complaining about the offensive language. I'm afraid I'm going to have to go back to "clear and utter bullshit".

Haha, I like the response julie!

I think maybe you went a little overboard in your assessment of the language people use in these threads and also what it says about their personal beliefs. Sometimes a word is just a word and is used as a popular colloquialism without any malice of intent. That's what you did and what I assume most people have done (Besides brutus, that douchenozzle).

I totally agree that some women go out of their way to reject the notion that they are anything like "all those other bitchy, catty girls" and it's a disturbing trend. Did you read "Female Chauvinist Pigs"? It was a great read and I bet you'd like it.

Brutus, I did read it. I enjoyed it, although I thought some aspects were problematic.

I'm just frustrated because not so long ago, the n-word and the f-word were used against blacks and homosexuals, respectively. These words were common--everywhere. While we've got a long way to go in terms of cleaning up our language with respect to those specific words, I like to believe that many people realized how damaging those words could be, and the long, sordid history that charged them, and made them unlike other words. Why are words that denigrate women so different? Guys like EricD will go to great lengths to preserve their right to call women whores without being called out as the misogynists that they are.

You are trying to create an environment where you can't hate a woman because of the simple fact that she is a woman. That is more sexist then anything I've seen in these comments.

Dude. No. Nobody is saying that you are never ever aloud to dislike a woman, or that disliking a woman is automatically sexist. What people (myself included) are sick of is how dislike of a particular woman often has the tendency of being expressed in gendered terms. For example, I hate Ann Coulter. I think she's a hypocrite, I disagree with her politics, and I think she's a self-promoting shock-jock attention seeker. Perfectly reasonable and acceptable things to make one go WOW I think I really dislike this person. Now, as someone who spends some time of various liberal-leaning political blogs, why when Ann Coulter gets brought up do I INEVITABILITY have to hear that she's "a tranny whore" or that "she's obviously a man" or that "she's an ugly horse faced bitch". People (supposedly nice happy liberal progressive people) even when given someone whose words, actions, and public persona provide so many reasonable things to critique, still choose to channel that critique through horrific, unnecessary, transphobic and sexist ad hominem attacks. WHY IS THAT? Why insult her face when her words are the things that are ACTUALLY insulting?

I could really care less if you hate SJP (or Heigl or whoever), just so long as you have an actual reason for hating her and you manage to articulate that reason in words other than "she's a horse faced bitch and I want her ugly face off my TV"

Haha, I'll admit that being called Brutus was almost as horrible as being called a whore. I totally dig your position, to be honest, and I wish those words were as taboo as racial slurs but the truth is I think it's a little too simplistic to say using them is misogynistic. They don't really have the same power attached to them as "the n-word" and are most likely used mindlessly most of the time. The words may have underlying sexist connotations but no intention or reflection of sexism in their use in most instances. In some cases you're certainly right though, you're just painting with awfully broad strokes right now.

I don't personally use any of those words much. Occasionally I refer to someone as a whore but it would be a man just as likely as a woman. I don't use bitch because it's just an ugly word and I don't use hag because I'm not 50 (Ha!). I sometimes call my cat cunty and she is a female but in all fairness you don't know my cat.

Citizen_Cris- I understand the thread and have no doubt that if prompted, folks here would have no problem listed 5 actors and their list of sins- as I did.

My point is not that only women cop flak, it’s that the flak they cop is disproportional to their supposed crimes. Take a look at these comment threads:
Career assessment of Russel Crowe,
http://www.pajiba.com/career_assessments/russell-crowe-career-assessment.php

Career assessment of Gwyneth Paltrow
http://www.pajiba.com/career_assessments/russell-crowe-career-assessment.php

In my observation, one can be every bit as insufferable as the other (though from memory Paltrow didn't throttle an awards producer for cutting her awards speech short). Yet despite his serial outbursts of “DAMN YOU, I’M AND AHHHTIST!” and aforementioned indiscretions, after 27 comments the worst Crowe gets is “not sexy” and “porkbus”, interspersed with appreciation of his successes and failures within his actual craft.

As for Gwynneth: overlooking the use of “insufferable bitch” in the title not to mention the article itself, look at the thread. 78 comments (bolstered by yet another pointless debate on the definition of “hipster”) many either defending or attacking her character, or trying to figure out why the hate.

All I'm asking for is consistency. If folks are going to indulge in celebrity hate- it's the flipside of celebrity love, and there's plenty of that around here too [cough]Fillion[cough]- but at least be consistent.

"I don't think any of you know any of these women well enough to justify true "hatred." Indifference, o.k. Dislike toward a particular public statement or their general attitude? Sure"

DarthCorleone, basically I agree with you. But I would argue that those people are selling themselves as a commodity. Maybe not their 'real' selves but a certain public image. And if they are the sellers we are the consumers which put us in the position of judging them.

"Guys like EricD will go to great lengths to preserve their right to call women whores without being called out as the misogynists that they are."

Posted by: julie at June 1, 2010 10:02 PM

As I tried to point out in my previous post and seemed to have failed. Not only did I not call anyone a whore, neither did anyone else. But don't let facts get in your way now.

"how dislike of a particular woman often has the tendency of being expressed in gendered terms."

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at June 1, 2010 10:11 PM

I can appreciate that. But the problem is way bigger then just people using gender terms to describe what they think of these people. As I mentioned above, their gender is part of the package they are actively selling. Of course they are going to be judged on it. Does that mean you shouldn't call it out when you see it? No, I guess not. But at least be honest about it. Julie came on here waving accusations of "whore" and "cunt" and they simply did not happen.

"Women are judged more harshly than men in terms of appearance. I don't see why you are arguing this"
Posted by: julie at June 1, 2010 10:11 PM

Who is arguing that? What I said was that one of the 5 people listed was being judged negatively on their looks. Therefore, it is something besides looks that causes people to dislike the other four.

"Not only were gendered slurs ubiquitous on this post, but you've left out"

Show me.

"a lot of anti-woman crap that contained no slurs"

So you are just going to keep moving the target until it hits something? First your complaint is people using sexist words, now its not the words but the thoughts?

"Enjoy your untrammeled right to be an ass."

Thank you. I'd much rather be an ass then someone who stretches the truth the way you did jumping in here with those accusations.

Nothing that has been said by any of these so called "mouthy" actreeces comes even close to the tirade uttered by former Pajiba Tiki idol love god Christian Bale to a production team nobody (on the set of a shitty franchise film no less), where was his backlash?

Sorry, Squirrelgripper, I've gotta disagree with you there.

First, there was a backlash. People ridiculed him for months. Still do, actually. If he wasn't already Batman, there's no way he'd have gotten that part if casting took place after that incident. Notice he hasn't had a big film since then.

Second, that's a completely different level. Yelling at a light person for walking into a difficult shot when your director has (as McG admitted he'd done) been provoking you and intentionally pissing you off so you'll be extra intense in the scene in question is slightly more forgiving that passively-aggressively saying that your writing staff on the TV series that made you famous is so bad that you don't deserve an award you for some reason feel you otherwise deserve. One is a mistake, and one that shouldn't exactly be forgotten (and clearly hasn't, as you've evidenced), but the other is terrible. Imagine a performance review at your job where you say you don't deserve a raise because the people who've been giving you work are too stupid.

Someone getting pissed on set happens in a lot of movies and series, and it rarely gets attention. Have you seen the clip of Lily Tomlin screaming at the director on the set of I Heart Huckabees? MUCH worse than the Bale freakout. But they made the movie, and people forgot about it because it's a personal dispute in the middle of a tense environment.

Someone biting the hand that feeds them on several occasions publicly in the press and never apologizing for it? That shameful.

Bale- agree it was a major story/meme/whatever at the time, for that matter so was Crowe's- there was plenty of speculation at the time the producer incident might easily have cost him a second Oscar. But has the stink of these incidents trailed their careers for as long as it has Heigl & co? I knew before clicking on the article title which direction this thread was heading.

I'm not defending anything the actresses listed above have said or done, nor am I speculating about their public personas. It just seems to me they get less margin for error, have less chance for public forgiveness and attract a disproportionate level of personal criticism compared to their male counterparts.

I agree they get less room for error, but consider the levels of their careers. Look at the women on that list, and only one has ever been even nominated for an Oscar. By the time of the Bale blowup or Russell Crowe's nonsense, they were hugely respected actors responsible for some very high-profile films. And notice the extreme downtrend in Crowe's career since the phone incident; the man was in multiple Best Picture nominees and winners within the last two decades, and yet everything he's made since accosting an awards producer (not much; he's had very few noteworthy roles of any kind) has failed to bring back his status as awards gold.

Plus, the two you're citing are much more talented. If Katherine Heigl were capable of what Bale was capable of in American Psycho or The Machinist, or anything of that caliber no matter the genre, she might gain some wiggle room to be rude to everyone she works with. Same with Megan Fox. Jennifer Aniston won't win any awards anytime soon, and that makes her intentional paparazzi sideshow all the more insufferable.

In response to your point, I considered what would happen if Meryl Streep or Kate Winslet chewed out a lighting person on set in the same situation as Bale. How would I react? Honestly, and this is the honest truth, I would probably assume that person deserved it, because these are professionals who have a lifetime of talent and background worthy of respect. But even younger actresses; I assume Carey Mulligan could slap a director in the face and I would still want to see her movies. It's the celebrities who are cruel or vapid or obsessed with money and fame but who don't have talent or goodwill to trade with that draw ire, and deservedly so, as with most of the people on this list.

the media seems to be trying to tell us these are gorgeous women and yet people with eyesight seem to know better. SJP in particular is a very unfortunate looking woman. Now, that wouldn't be a reason to dislike her but she keeps appearing on covers of fashion magazines and as leads in Rom-Coms. Not so of Trejo and Buscemi.
---
I wrote it before and I'll write it again: No one is asking me to believe Danny Trejo looks like Paul Newman.

I want to like Aniston, I really do, I think she's pretty and turns in an occasional (OK, rare) good acting job, but ... it's been SIX YEARS. Get over it already.

Fox I don't hate, I just don't care. Same with Paltrow. I've never seen Heigl in anything, so any dislike I've generated for her -- and I think she's really pretty -- I've contracted from Pajiba.

Gahhh, I have had it UP. TO. HERE. with that FUCK-ing Betty White.

Cecilia wrote: "5) Aniston: Invited the Access Hollywood/People magazine cameras to her birthday party in Mexico and then complained about--yep--the paparazzi! Then, she tries to make her vacation sound like "charity." Here's the quote: "Mexico is really hurting right now because of the swine flu and the drug trafficking and all of this sort of stuff. These people survive on us coming down and spending money and coming here to these beautiful places. It sort of made sense to sort of say, ‘Hey, let’s help out Mexico!'" Tipping the maid at your luxury resort is NOT charity, you spoiled yuppie."

What a clueless moron. I have no idea why she has fans. I guess people buy into that fake sweatheart image that she keeps selling.

Look, I dont to belittle this legitimate and intelligent debate, how ever, someone mentioned Scrubbing Christian Bale?

Can we make that happen?
Cant that be a thing we do?
Someone...someone get on that.

I'm rather indifferent to these women, although I completely understand why they are hated. I do however have hatred for Kristen Stewart. Everytime I see her I just want to punch her in the face. Irrational? I don't know. And before I get labeled as a women hater, I also want to punch Tom Cruise in the face. Oh and Gerard Butler and Jared Leto too.

see, i dont really hate any of these women. jennifer aniston- yes, i'll repeat what everyone else has said- just got too much exposure for me to really LIKE her. that said, i have seen a few of her movies, and i loved bruce almighty, (even though she did pretty much do a repeat performance of rachel) so i can't despise her.

sjp-i'm neutral on. never watched satc, but not because i disliked her. just never interested me. she seems nice enough.

gwyneth paltrow-i like her. she may act a little high-and-mighty but at least she has acting skills. though i do agree with the "out of touch with reality" remarks.

megan fox- oh, megan fox. i really do think she's pretty. but i really really really don't like her. at all. out of anyone on this list, she has the most "i'm better than you" personality because she knows she's good looking. and honestly people, let's not sugarcoat it-she says some pretty idiotic things.

“I think people are born bisexual and the make subconscious choices based on the pressures of society. I have no question in my mind about being bisexual. But I’m also a hypocrite: I would never date a girl who is bisexual, because that means they also sleep with men, and men are so dirty that I’d never sleep with a girl who had slept with a man.”

um, what? you would never sleep with a girl who was bisexual because that means she's slept with a dirty man? aren't you currently sleeping with a dirty man? and talking about it openly in interviews? (or if not currently, then at least recently.) yes, i realize that she drew attention to the fact that she's a hypocrite for feeling this way, but that doesn't make her comment any less nonsensical.
she just seems like she will say anything off-the-wall to get attention, even if it means throwing all sense of tact and decorum out the window, and i really don't like people like that. you already get enough attention, megan; you don't need to do anything more to put yourself in the spotlight. GET OVER YOURSELF.

lastly, heigl- i didn't really like her character in roswell. thought she was kind of....blah. boring. loved her in knocked up. never watched grey's and haven't seen any other films of hers, and i pity the poor fools that paid to see them. that being said, although i do agree that her comments towards apatow and her grey's writers were pretty messed up (no matter if they were true or not), i don't dislike her.

Stopthemadness, you get Jelly Beans all the time bebeh. How bout you shake your ass and you'll get AAAAAAAAAAAAL the jelly beans?
Hows that for misogynistic?!

Sorry, no, seriously though, which part of what I said?
The Bale part?
Cos seriously, I have a sponge and some soapy water...where is he?

For fuck's sake, I just wrote a fairly long comment, only to have it questioned and held up by the Powers That Be; when I returned, it was ALL GONE. Loserville, population: me.

Anyway, I basically wanted to add that of course there is a lot of misogyny on the Web and indeed in the world, but there seems to me to be an equal amount of misandry, the irrational hatred of men, particularly the ones in the public eye, and often the ones who (like the women in the list above) could certainly be considered handsome and/or successful. Many of the commenters are already working on appropriate lists for that viewpoint. My point is that there is too much expressed hatred of both sexes, as well as all races. It's ALL bad, people, but human nature being what it is, we will continue to come here to read above the latest douche or twat (not necessarily mutually exclusive, come to think of it.)

Now if this comment gets lost, I will cut a bitch... (I'm looking at you, Dustin.)

Uriah!!! Now I can add Misandry to my vocabulary!!

You know how I know its Nadine posting before I even read through the post and get to the name? becasue SHE outs EVERY other WORD in CAPS! Dude chillax we are all friends here just breathe and take you finger off the shift key.

Yeah that girl she went to school with will get her ass kicked at some point, hell its nearly happened a couple of times but shes a quick little bugger.

And Nad? Dont check out the noise its cos you will ignore it for a while till the screaming interupts your outside exercise session when you go check and its probably just some kid who got shot out of a tree with a pellet gun and snapped his shin and you'll go to investigate and hes all crying like a bitch and his friends are panicking cos they are not supposed to be there and his leg is minging and all the bones sticking through the skin and you want to faint but suddenly you have become Mrs Responsible Help the Child, then you will have to call emergency services again to see why its taken them over an hour to respond when the hospital is less than 6 minutes away, then you will have to call his mum and he will call you a lady even though your only 19 freaking years old, technically still a teenager! and you will have to explain that her son got shot out of a tree 15 miles away from where he was supposed to be, then the little girl with one hand will offer you weed even though these kids are 11 Goddamn years old, and the injured kid starts cussing you out cos hes in pain and you yell that if he doesnt shut up you'll snap his other leg then the paramedics turn up with the fire brigade and not one of them is attractive then the dad turns up and you have to do the whole 'Hi this is your kid with a broken leg I swear I didnt threaten him hes a liar, just look at the evidence' and the dad will be all yeah whatever hes a little sod anyway. Then finally they take the screaming brat away to operate on his destoyed leg and all the other brats want to hang out and you just cant take another minute of this so you run away back home and try and get back into your exercise mood but its been 2 hours and you just want a Gin!

That could happen or it could be a cat. Im just saying.

julie, you are my hero!

Um.....why does fashionbags keep copying peoples posts? Iv seen this on a couple threads now and Im wondering if Im missing a joke here?

Just throwing out here that Russell Crowe got some shit about being too fat and old to play a young Robin Hood. And I think we've bounced around the trope of the shlumpy TV guy with the hot TV wife a time or two here.

Just saying men DO come in for their fair share of abuse over their physical appearance here.

I'll add that it does not contribute to any hatred I may or may not have for these two, but I really do like my women with more meat on their bones than Paltrow and Fox (and Jolie -- where's the hate for Angelina? I'm disappointed in you all). Heigl and Aniston are a little more like it, but not a lot.

And I certainly remember writing here that SJP has a bangin' body, not to mention pretty spectacular legs. It's not really her fauilt she's a two-bagger, but I've already written an eloquent defense of ugly people on another thread so I'll stop now.

This could post on two entries from yesterday -

Could we lose the word douche from the lexicon? I have always found
it offensive and ragingly misogynistic.

"Is it so hard for dudes to stop and think before [insert Julie's arbitrary offensive action du jour]"
- julie

1) This is as sexist as anything I've read here. You've painted all "dudes" with the same brush. We're not all insensitive louts. Just me, baby. Just me.
2) This is also what I mean when I say you'd be awful to be around. Sure, some words are obviously untoward - but who can know what will set you off? You've taken an fairly innocuous article and blown it way out of proportion.
3) All of your persnickety internet bravado only serves to alienate the group of people you'd probably like to convince. I know, I know. I'm not in that group. I'm in the "turbofuck" group.

And by the way - at the very least Megan Fox is a whore. Even if she hasn't physically exchanged sex for money or fame (which I find it very hard to believe), she's selling the idea of sex for financial gain...and that's the same thing. Anniston is the same way. Just look at the last cover of GQ she was on. She's being sexually objectified, and she could care less as long as the money keeps rolling in. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it...I'm just calling a spade a spade.

That's right. I said spade.

But just because I don't use them doesn't mean I don't think someone else shouldn't be able to if they think the word appropriately describes how they feel.

Okay, yeah, this is kinda just what I wanted you to admit. I was never saying that you in particular, in this particular thread were saying all those particular hurtful things. But you were defending their use which honestly I think is just as bad. It goes beyond having the right to say it (because obviously you do and nobodies arguing that, you can say whatever to whomever so long as it's not slanderous and isn't threatening) I don't want the words banned or censored. I just want people to think. Think before they speak, think about the meaning and the history of the words they choose, the motivations for why they're choosing them. I want people to think of how their words will affect others. I want those words to become more and more infrequent simply because people don't want to use them anymore.

And yes I think all those ways you described those celebrities are pretty pointless unnecessary and mean (which I said before, even if you don't give a shit about sexism, you should realize that making fun of somebodies face is just fucking rude). Yes beauty standards are getting more and more strict for men now as well as women, and men are starting to be critiqued more and more for being fat/ugly/short/whatever but I don't see that as some great leap forward for gender parity, I see that as us sucking at being decent human beings.

Anyway, I'm not interested in playing Oppression Olympics with you. I know that minorities had and continue to have a rough time of it. This does not mean that gendered insults are somehow not hurtful.
...
Anyway, I'm not interested in playing Oppression Olympics with you. I know that minorities had and continue to have a rough time of it." This does not mean that gendered insults are somehow not hurtful.

aaaaaand this is why i stay away from mainstream feminist blogs. thanks for recognizing minorities "continue to have a rough time of it." the self-righteousness is stunning, and i don't direct that comment only at you, but at mainstream feminism in general. i'd quote bell hooks, but i have two briefs to write today.

besides, i'm pretty sure i'd win the oppression olympics anyway, since i'm black, female, and jewish.

i was telling you what i believed and i think i did so in a respectful manner. but i guess there's no room for discussion with you when you want to rail against dudes calling women skanks. you can take that as you wish.

and, the reason i used the word "banned" is because i had been reading a blog about ableism which discussed the ban of such gendered words, as well as the ban of ableist words like "stupid," "crazy" and etc. if i suggested that you were proposing banning such words, i did not mean to.

and no, i did not say the word "misogyny" is losing its power. i said that the term "misogynist" is losing its power. you said (i believe) that the mere use of the term "bitch" makes the user a misogynist. i don't believe that to be true. and yes, when you call everyone a misogynist, the word loses its power. just like if you call everyone who has a less than pristine thought when it comes to race relations a "racist" that term loses its power.

Gee, I guess it's only misogyny if a woman dies.

who said that? i didn't say that. what are you even talking about?

and no, i did not say the word "misogyny" is losing its power. i said that the term "misogynist" is losing its power. you said (i believe) that the mere use of the term "bitch" makes the user a misogynist. i don't believe that to be true. and yes, when you call everyone a misogynist, the word loses its power. just like if you call everyone who has a less than pristine thought when it comes to race relations a "racist" that term loses its power.

I agree with this. I don't think we should go around calling people misogynists or racists. You can never truly know another person and whats going on in their heads. I'm of the Jay Smooth school of thought that what we should be calling out are people's words and actions. Like if someone uses the word fag, instead of saying "Way to be a homophobe you jerk" say something like "That word is really homophobic". It keeps things on point and forces people to look at the thing that's actually problematic instead of veering off into YOU DON'T KNOW ME >:( I HAVE GAY/BLACK/DISABLED/LADY FRIENDS territory.

In response to "It always amuses me when people criticize Aniston for being constantly in the news after Pitt dumped her, as if she has any control over who the gossip rags"

She feeds the image. In her last interview for Bizarre magazine, she talked about having a rebirth and "5 years of Spring cleaning." Why 5 years instead of say, 1 or 2? Oh wait, it's the 5 year mark since her divorce. I'm sorry but this women knows what gets her into the papers: semi-nude phtotes, dating her co-stars and references to her past. What I don't get is the irrational love for this woman where people seem to make up excuses for her obvious attention-seeking behavior. She's just another attention-freak celeb--who uses whatever they can to get into the papers.

What sets these women apart is that they get attention for everything BUT their talent. AND, that's why I can't stand ANY of the women on this list.

...
SCATHING REVIEWS. BITCHY PEOPLE

lol

Trust me when I say that coming here is definitely a love/hate relationship at times. I remember when that was being voted on, I didn't particularly like it then, and I don't particularly like it now. But still, I don't have a problem with snarky, ornery, or scathing. I have a problem with slurs, with gendered insults, and with denigrating people for their looks. And I think this site is at it's best when it manages to do the former without devolving into the latter.

i had to dial down my heigl hate after she founded the dog organization and adopted that oriental baby.

j/k.

i know it's chinese.

I'm sure the more eloquent and observant among the readers here have already noticed/mentioned this, but I'm not reading this whole damned thread and I wanna point this out just in case someone missed it.

It's always bothered me that people just love to point out the way SJP looks when they try to justify their dislike of her as an actress. SJP is not an unattractive woman, at all.

We decry the over use of "hollywood beauty" especially in the instance of incredibly gorgeous women playing the "ugly duckling" or the "plain friend". Yet here we are, stating that SJPs rather normal looks simply don't stand up to the standard of "sexy" enough for us to accept that she plays the lead in a show/movie called Sex and the City. As if only the incredibly beautiful can believably lead (overly)active sex lives.

Here we have the perfect example of casting an "ordinary" looking woman in a lead roll and seeing that woman become successful and (for better or worse) that roll becoming a bit of a model of the modern woman. And we hate it! She's not pretty enough!

Talk about irrational.

The comments more or less confirmed what I'd always suspected, people are more comfortable hating women for irrational reasons than men.
Every time it's suggested that a man in Hollywood might not be a very nice person, there's a logical reason. For instance, Mel Gibson and Jesse James are racists, Roman Polanski thinks he deserves a get out of jail card because he made a few movies, Michael Bay terrorizes his actors, and Russel Crowe likes to assault people. The dislike of women is rarely explained as anything above the level of "she thinks she's purty, but she ain't." I'd say the fact that people feel they need a logical reason to dislike a man, but feel fine heaping vitriol on a woman for a reason as irrational as "I think she acts stuck-up" does point to sexism. There simply isn't any other word that describes such marked differences due to the gender of the disliked. Yes, hearing the s-word probably stings, but really what other word describes the phenomenon?

The most widely accepted definition of an -ism is prejudice+power. Because whites have institutionalized power in American society, it is actually impossible for a minority to be racist against whites. Minorities can be PREJUDICED against whites, sure. But the power element is what gives racism its widely destructive nature.

I know you were just kidding around, and I don't want to open a brand new can of worms, but there you go.

Oh! I wasn't saying that makes it right, by the way, just that it does happen the other way as well. With that last thing. The Michael Cera thing. Also, that's the main complaint with Shia LaBouef, if I am recalling correctly.

i take that back... i wouldn't say no one has exhibited that (since i haven't read every single comment), but generally, i think it's safe to say that the commenters thus far haven't been a bunch of patriarchal women-haters.

let's hug it out. (out of respect, i'll end the quote there.)

:)

The only person on that list I actively dislike is Jennifer Anniston. I cannot stand the woman.

I feel like I am the only person on the planet who actually LIKES Katherine Heigl. I actually gained some respect for her when she withdrew herself from the emmy running. Everyone else though it was snotty and self righteous, I personally thought it was a very selfless thing for her to do. She was the it girl at the moment and was likely to get the win even though she didn't deserve it and she was well aware of that fact.

Anna!

I was gonna bring up Cera the other day but I'd decided to back off already, but YES!

You said exactly what I would have said, he takes a helluva lot of shit on this site, so does that fucking fat kid...(prime example right their of my misandry of that dude) from the Rogen films.

We dont like them because of stuff like their looks, their attitudes towards fans, their smugness, the success they have and dont deserve etc

I'd even say Cera is almost the male Heigl.
One show and character MADE HIM in the industry and he didn't exactly shit on it but he definately gives the impression of resenting how it pigeon holed his acting roles. But then he makes no effort to play anything else or any other kind of character and cries about it when he's called out for being a one trick pony.

We hate him and the other kid because they have success they dont deserve.
Not because they're succesful MEN who dont deserve it, but because they have money and a lifestyle they haven't really earned, in our eyes. In mine any way, I wouldnt dare put words in others mouths, but from what I've read in the comments sections in the past, that is the case?
The Rogen kid(I literally do not care enough about him to go and check his name...Jonah?) is a fat stoner who happened to be in the Rogen circle of friends, or who appeared in ONE film and made an impression on someone.
Maybe they smoked a fatty blunt together and it's one of THOSE friendships where no one particularly likes him (how often do you see him pictured with them outside of films?) but he's funny when he's high or he knows the best dealers or what ever, so he's kept around, then people assume he must be funny if he hangs out with funny dudes so he's cast in films and roles he sucks in but nonetheless gets because of proximity popularity.

But that was just me ragging on the d-bag.

My point is, if we as an online community are misogynistic against women, we're equally as..what ever the word is, against men.
We don't hate more women on this site than we do dudes, and as I think EricD said, for every one gyy/gal we rag on, we celebrate 100 more.
For every woman we pin up and slather over(girls too, we're equal opps bebeh), we post pictures of Ryan Reynolds and His Abs for everyone to enjoy.

Look at Christine Hendricks-she's not just a woman, she's a curvalicious, successful woman who I'm fairly confident saying, we to a body adore on this site. SHE is femininity in a gorgeous redhead package and we fall at her feet.
One of, if not, arguably, the most significant commenter in this sites history was AlabamaPink(I hate myself for using her like this) who was female, completely bad ass, and is adored universally by 'Jibans.

So...yeah. I'm just saying.
I'm not saying that THE WORLD doesn't resent these women because some of them are misogynists, but here?
Maybe a few are Lady Haters but for the most part we hate on them cos they su-uuck

So guys and girls, what are your thoughts on the Israel/Paelestine situation? Oooo sorry, thats totally irrelevant...

I'm going to go through the list and add my own thoughts, because I can.

Jennifer Aniston - Don't know what you're talking about. I adore her. I think she's a good actress and a great businesswoman - she knows her genre, and she's a damn prolific producer. As for the Brad thing, that makes me love her more because of the grace with which she handled it. In fact, I'm surprise Angelina Jolie wasn't on this list.

Sarah Jessica Parker - Also, don't hate, just hate her movies. I never thought she was fiercely unattractive. That's the sexists in my opinion, and fuck them with a rusty tomahawk. For me it was always her whiny voice and the annoying characters she seemed to play. And I kinda hate that she's strapped herself to Matthew Broderick, because BORRRRRING.

Gwyneth Paltrow - I hated her until I saw her on The Marriage Ref, when she proved to be really affable and funny. Of course I still dislike her. One word: GOOP. Also, Chris Martin seems weird.

Megan Fox - To be frank, I hated her until you did that piece on irrational Megan Fox hatred, and as I articulated then, it was mostly jealousy. Sue me.

Katherine Heigl - Hatred for her is pretty superficial. I hate the way she looks, for some reason, she just bugs me, like my own personal SJP. Also I hate her roles. And I HATE how on Grey's Anatomy they'd give her these monologues occasionally about how pretty she was, but i guess that was Shondra Rhimes' fault (as so much is).

Paltrow I pity because she honestly believe she has something all of us have to listen. She's wrong.

SLP is not ugly. She has a great personality.

I like Megan Fox. I liked Jennifer's Body, bought the DVD

Never watched grey's anatomy, or any of her movies, but willing to take everyone's opinion of Heigl

I HATE JENNIFER ANNISTON! I HATED FRIENDS, HATED EVERYTHING SHE'S EVER DONE, BUT MORE THAN THAT: SHE HAD BRAD PITT! & SHE LOST HIM!!!!!!! WHAT A DUMB BROAD!!!! Hmmm. Paltrow loved and lost Pitt too. Cheated on him. Hate Paltrow too for slutty behavior.

BUT MORE THAN THAT: SHE HAD BRAD PITT! & SHE LOST HIM!!!!!!! WHAT A DUMB BROAD!!!! - PunkinElf

Please, please say you're kidding? About how just because he's physically attractive any woman would be lucky to have him? You're kidding about that, right?

Good. I knew you were. Smilesies! :)

I feel like I am the only person on the planet who actually LIKES Katherine Heigl. I actually gained some respect for her when she withdrew herself from the emmy running. Everyone else though it was snotty and self righteous, I personally thought it was a very selfless thing for her to do. She was the it girl at the moment and was likely to get the win even though she didn't deserve it and she was well aware of that fact.
She made you think that???

well, now I hate her.

She obviously was NOT selfless. She was trying to get herself out of her awful show PRONTO, LOUD and CLEAR. And it's not right to shit on the hands that fed you.

I'm so tired.

You guys. I go on a fucking holiday and THIS happens? Another misogyny war?

Seriously?

Sorry. I’m delirious. Forgive the pun.
It’s late, and here’s what I wanted to say -

Hate is strong, but also love is strong. And I love Kate Blanchet. She deserved that friggin Oscar and GP won it. So I kind of don’t like her that much. Even though I though Shakespeare in Love was sweet (just not Oscar worthy) and I thought she was as inoffensive in Sliding Doors. And her Pepper does not distract me. Not high praise, but not hate.

Truth? I hate the Academy more than Gwyneth. Seems reasonable.

SJP was great in Girls Just Wanna have fun.

Megan does not speak well when unscripted, but neither does my sister, and I love her, so I try not to judge.

And then. Was this the misogyny war that had to happen? ‘Cause we couldn’t remember the last one? Well then so be it. There’s been a LOT of discussion about language. I try to keep it simple.

If you have a cunt, you can use the word. If you are a n** (see what I did there? BECAUSE I’M NOT) you can use the word.

Which means all of you out there using the word wh*** have some ‘splainin’ to do...

or not. Whatever.