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An 11 Year Old Geek Kid Attempts Suicide Because People Are Terrible

By Dustin Rowles | Miscellaneous | February 6, 2014 | Comments ()


This breaks my damn heart. Eleven-year-old Michael Morones of North Carolina tried to hang himself a couple of weeks ago, after other kids repeatedly teased and bullied him. As of the 2nd, he was in the intensive care unit with damage to his brain, his heart, and his lungs and had not yet awoken.

What reason would anyone have for teasing a kid in the fifth or sixth grade? Was he weird? Did he pick his nose in class? Did he smell bad, or talk too much, or was he too short? No. They teased and bullied him because he loves My Little Pony. Because of a (well-written) television show about ponies that speaks to the value of friendship. Because Morones probably didn’t have a lot of friends, and so he sought comfort in a cartoon.

So they teased him, because he loved a show “meant for girls,” that — according to his classmates — must have meant that Morones was gay. According to his step-dad, “He said to us that the other kids were telling him he was gay for loving Pinkie Pie and they were trying to make him feel ashamed for being gay. We said that we didn’t care if he was gay or straight; he was our son and we would love him.”

Nevertheless, after a hard day of bullying taunts, instead of going to the Boys and Girls Club as he usually did, Morones went home and tried to hang himself.

An 11 year old shouldn’t even understand what suicide is! He shouldn’t know how to hang himself. He should be playing in the yard, and watching whatever the hell it is he wants to watch on the television, and he should never feel so bad about himself that he would want to leave this world.

Damnit, what is wrong with people that they have to tear down someone else to make themselves feel better? What the hell does a bully gain by treating someone else like that? He just wanted to play his violin and read his Bible and watch his cartoons, and some little assholes had to give him sh*t for it, and now the poor kid looks like this:


People are terrible.

Source: Chicago Now

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  • RobynRobotron

    There is going to be a new documentary coming out this year by the makers of the amazing Miss Representation called The Mask You Live In, that is going to shed a lot of light on this subject. It's all about how boys are told from an early age to "be a man" and anything feminine leaning is devalued. It looks like it's going to be gut-wrenching and phenomenal. If it's not already on the Pajiba radar, it should be.

    The Mask You Live In. Keep your eyes peeled and check out the Representation Project website for more info.

  • DG31

    I played with MLP and was teased in a very similar way when I was a kid too.
    It is brutal, but the fact that a kid so young could even fathom HANGING
    HIMSELF is the most shocking part of this story to me.

  • Guest

    played with MLP and was teased in a very similar way as a kid too.
    It's brutal, but the fact that a kid so young could even fathom HANGING
    HIMSELF is the most shocking part of this story to me.

  • xhikari

    I used to like My Little Pony too.... :(

  • the dude

    Fuck 'em. He´s gonna be a great film reviewer one day. They will be running unsuccesful ponzi schemes that will land them in jail for decades. ;)

  • I wish I had a funny or clever comment to post that belittles the people that caused this pain. Humor being my defense mechanism against the tragedies of life. But I don't and I hate that I am reminded of people's capacity for evil, especially in regards to the ages of the victim and the abusers. There are many deep issues at work here in this story. This child appreciated someone's work and art and was made to feel invalidated as a human being for it to the point of no return. That is the tragedy that resonates for me. Hopefully there is a silver lining to this story, one that might reveal itself in the long run. I just hope to see the day when people aren't harmed emotionally and physically for enjoying art, life, and themselves. I wish Michael Morones the best and hope for more from humanity in the future.

  • Kate the Greatest

    I became suicidal at 11 from bullying. That age is kind of the beginning of self-awareness, of understanding the passage of time and one's place in the big, bad world. It can get pretty fucking heavy. This poor kid..

  • Salieri2

    Some Lindsay Stirling for your listening pleasure:

  • Tinkerville

    I have tickets to see her in April and I'm so glad my money's going to someone both talented and amazing as a person.

  • amberdragonfly

    This makes me sick. My daughter is in third grade and she has been the target of a group of bullies for the past two years, with the school doing absolutely nothing to stop the problem. The teacher wants to help, but she don't have the authority to do anything, and the kids are smart enough to do their bullying when her back is turned. A few weeks ago we got so fed up, we pulled her out of school and enrolled her in a charter school nearby. It makes me ashamed to say that I didn't realize just how miserable my beautiful little girl was until I saw her happy again.

    This new school has a much stronger curriculum, and even more important to me, a zero tolerance policy, for bullies, excuses, etc, and they enforce it. The result: I have never seen such a loving group of kids. They welcomed my daughter with open arms and she had six new friends in the first two days. By comparison, she has had a total of two friends in the past two years at public school, because everyone else was afraid they would be bullied if they were nice to her. It's disgusting.

    My heart is broken for this little boy, and for all the kids who feel so helpless because they aren't lucky enough to have another option such as the school we found.

  • mrsachmo

    good for you. this reminds me of just how important it is to stay up on my kids emotional health as well as their physical health.

  • CapCalhoon

    Jesus Christ, I have never actually cried from reading these entries but I just broke down sobbing. Poor little kid, just trying to navigate the maze that is growing up, and goddamn shitheads have driven him to this because of their own insecurities.

    We tell kids there are no such things as real monsters and this gentle kid was driven to try to take his own life because he had to face them every day.


  • winosaurusrex

    I'm having a serious hard time. One of my girlfriends has two young daughters. The oldest of which is 5.

    She came home yesterday in tears because another little girl kept calling her ugly and being mean. When my friend's daughter told her teacher the teacher told her to stop being a tattle tale and sent a note home with the five year old telling my friend she was a tattle tale.

    The little one would not stop crying and was begging not to go back to school. She did the right thing-she told an adult who did NOTHING except teach her that no one will ever help you. How is that ok? And why would you NOT teach 5 year olds not to bully? If they get away with it now they will forever do it.

    I worry that the above is going to become more common with younger and younger kids because people won't step up and do the right thing. It breaks my heart to hear these stories of younger and younger kids turning to suicide because no one stepped up for them (not to say the parents didn't, but where the hell was the school when this kid was being bullied???)

  • amberdragonfly

    Last year my daughter was slapped in the face by one of her bullies, right in front of the teacher. When I got to school the teacher said my daughter was in the office and I needed to go get her. The principal explained what happened and told me that my daughter should watch what she says, because she commented on someone drawing on the floor of the classroom and the boy didn't want her to tell on him. So basically, it was HER fault she was slapped. The boy spent one day sitting in the principal's office, and the next three weeks torturing my daughter for getting him in trouble. This was second freaking grade. He and his friends were still bullying her as of a few weeks ago. As I stated in a different comment, we pulled her out of the school a few weeks ago and enrolled her in a charter school. It is a public school, so it is free, and they have zero tolerance for bullying of any kind. Best move ever!!! Maybe your friend can see if there is an alternative school nearby that would be a better fit.

  • winosaurusrex

    I'm sorry do you say your daughter was slapped in FRONT of a teacher and SHE got in trouble? How did you NOT get the cops involved? You have far
    More restraint than I do...

    Im so glad you were able to find a new safe place for your daughter to thrive

  • amberdragonfly

    I did not get the cops involved, but I did have a private chat with the principal where I let her know that any more victim blaming would send me straight to the district and whatever news station I could get to listen.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I kinda want your friend to go call the teacher stupd, mean and incompetent to her see how that goes down.

  • TK

    That story makes me want to explode into white-hot fury. That is so goddamn tragic and that teacher is a complete and utter failure to both that little girl, and to the educational system. I hope they get it turned around and that little one finds some damn happiness.

  • winosaurusrex

    Tell me about it. Her mother and I were up half the night trying to figure out a way to teach a 5 year old about self confidence and self worth.

    We came up with a long term solution, but the short term? Anyone have any ideas?

  • Wigamer

    That teacher has an administrator & this should be brought to his or her attention.

  • lillie

    I'm so sorry, that story is awful and that teacher...well, they should not be teaching. They really don't even have the right to label themselves a "teacher". And the fact that we even have to teach a five year old about self worth? No. Five year olds should have all the self confidence in the world just by defintion of being five. years. old. They are not supposed to have to deal with such issues at that age. NO. They should still be wrapped in enough innocence that they all believe they are princesses, superheroes, fairy mermaid ballerina unicorns, (I have a three year old daughter, forgive me) not coming home crying because the figure they are supposed to look up in school was no better than the kid who was picking on her. What is wrong with people??

  • winosaurusrex

    All I can say is luckily my friend's daughter is ONLY five because in a few more years, something like this could turn as tragic as the story above. At least my friend can start teaching both of her girls while they're young-as sad as it is that she has to.

    On the other hand her daughter got to stay home from school today with her grandma and my friend went to the principal. Her daughter is being moved into another class and the principal promised to have a talk with the teacher, a possible suspension and some more training at least.

    Little one will go back to school on Monday in a new class and hopefully not have to deal with that teacher. MY friend is also trying to demand a written apology from the teacher-personally I found the teacher's response worse than the initial problem. But I believe my friend is going to try to contact the parents of the little girl who started it all.

  • The teacher's response is far worse. The kid that was taunting her was a kid and kids can be cruel. The teacher should have been the one to teach the bully that what she was saying was wrong. There's a difference between tattling because someone is doing something that you think is wrong even though it doesn't really affect you or someone else and telling what should be a trusted adult about someone who hurt you.

  • emilya

    wow, this is truly a heartbreaking (or heart-space breaking if you are tk) piece. i think what makes this so poignant is the fact that his parents just wanted him to be happy and were going to love him unconditionally- these were good parents and this was a good and supportive family for a kid to belong to.

    i was a weird kid. i loved pbs too much, started reading shakespeare at 11, loved the theater, my parents were a lot more liberal than most the parents of the kids i went to school with, and the icing on the cake was i got chubby and health problems. i had surgery on one of my legs every 6 months from 5th grade to 8th grade. I had to have tutors because it's really hard to go to the bathroom in cast that goes from your armpit to ankle, let alone school. i was definitely teased, but i maybe wouldn't call it being bullied, especially not in terms of what bullying has become over the last decade. I also realize i was lucky, i had some good friends at school who would stand up for/with me. when i was having surgery constantly, i started sleeping with stuffed animals again... and i still do. my mother, who does her best but the women of her family have some severe issues with daughters, teased and pleaded with me to give them up and i refused. she would say "are you still going to be sleeping with your stuffed animals on your honeymoon or when you have a child?" well guess what mom, my boyfriend doesn't care, neither do our cats- although one of the cats will drag the smaller stuffed penguin across the bed if he feels his territory is being encroached upon. one of my best friends from grad school came and stayed with me recently and she brought what was left of her binky (baby blanket) with her.

    i hope this story ends with the best possible scenario and i will be thinking of this kid as i go through my day/week/month/year. i doubt this is the kind of event i will forget.

  • DarthCorleone

    :- (

  • TK

    Here's my final story, to help give a little more insight into bullying on both sides. When I was in high school, one day, I had a bunch of people over my house after school, and one of them was the kid who used to bully me the worst when we were little. I mean, this kid was AWFUL. He would publicly deride me, he would get other kids to gang up on me, he would sucker punch me and then beat the shit out of me, and then leer and mock me for crying. He was terrible, but as we grew older, he really chilled out. Anyway, we were goofing off, shoving each other around, and something in me fucking SNAPPED. And I beat the fuck out of this kid. He was much smaller than me now, and I knew I could take him, and I proceeded to just whale on him. And by god, it felt righteous, like justifiable vengeance, right up until the point where he started crying and begging me to stop.

    And I hurled myself away from him, stunned that I could flip that switch and become the bad guy so easily, all for something that had happened ten years ago. It's probably one of the most shameful acts I've ever committed, and I've never forgiven myself for it. Just writing this out makes me want to vomit.

    Bullying is a messed up thing, for those who are subjected to it, but also for those who do it. It's complicated and messy and rarely handled properly. An understanding of every angle of it is the only way we can even hope to one day find some resolution.

  • Tinkerville

    Thank you for sharing these stories, TK. It's remarkable how complicated these situations can be and how it's never, ever a black and white issue.

    I experience a much more subtle kind of vengeance when I learned that several of my former bullies are now on welfare with multiple kids and still living in our hometown. I thought that would give me so much satisfaction and feel like justice in and of itself, but instead when I started taking pleasure in that I felt awful. There's no saying what led to the bullying and no saying whether or not they deserve the lives they have now.

  • Kate the Greatest

    No, sometimes it really is black and white. Really.

  • Tinkerville

    I'll have to agree to disagree. I don't know what led my bullies to bully me and I am in no way shape or form endorsing what they did (obviously, since it caused severe emotional ramifications that I'm still dealing with years later). But I don't think the reasons behind the actions are always as clear cut as many make them out to be.

  • Kate the Greatest

    If someone is behaving abusively, they are wrong. There might be mitigating circumstances-- a terrible home-life, bad role-models, mental illness-- but bullying is absolutely wrong.

  • Tinkerville

    Then I think you misinterpreted what I meant by black and white. Whether bullying is wrong is black and white, yes. Of course it's wrong. What I meant by grey areas are whether those bullies are inherently bad people and if they bully simply to be "bad."

  • simplysarah

    so many tears right now. When I was about 11-12 years old, I was bullied. Even tried to kill myself a couple times but always chickened out at the last minute (thankfully!). It's hard at that age, trying to figure out where you belong in this world. Trying to understand what all is going on around you.

    I hope he pulls through and realizes there is a better life out there. Sometimes it just takes time to get there.

  • L.O.V.E.

    This is so sad all around. this sort of bullying is so common place, and neither teachers nor parents have a crystal ball to determine when bullying runs its course or if it leads to tragedy. Every kid and every situation is unique, and most of this stuff takes place out in the playground or after school when its difficult to track. my wife volunteers at school for recess duty and the girls from 5th to 8th grade just sit at the tables talking. without plopping dodown next to them how do you know what they are saying to each other.

    There was a recent story on facebook about a gay man who got an apology 10 years later from a high school bully. these 11 year olds will be entirely different people as adults, and they will need to live with the damage they did to this poor child.

  • TK

    From the Chicago Now article:

    The outpouring of support from the Bronies community has astonished the family. Suttle (his stepfather) left a message for Andrea Libman, who does the voice of Pinkie Pie, asking if she might send a message of support to Michael. Libman was in South Australia on vacation, and she found a way to record a personal message for Suttle to play for Michael. In addition, she got every member of the cast to record individual messages for the boy.

    “When we play the My Little Pony messages for him, there is increased activity on the EEG,” Suttle said.

    Ow. My heart space hurts like it's breaking.

  • Berry

    "And just when you think they [the people] were more malignant than ever Hell could be, they could occasionally show more grace than Heaven ever dreamed of."

  • I hope he makes it back to this, to the support and to knowing he's not alone.

  • stella

    Goddamn it. Poor little guy. My thoughts are with him and his family.

  • Breaks my heart. My son is about to turn 13 and has found friends through drama club (he even got the lead, playing Horton Seussical) but for a while there he struggled and was often alone and bullied for being a bit chubby and maybe a bit different from the rest. My heart goes out to the family of this young boy and I hope one day the world will learn to embrace our differences and not belittle others. I think it starts at home with the parents, teach your children tolerance and love and then there is less room for hate.

  • Maddy

    FFS. Everything is terrible.

  • manting

    the two cruelest groups of people in the universe are little kids and internet commenters.

  • competitivenonfiction

    Thank God so few little kids have the typing ability to comment on the internet.

  • Ozioma

    I saw this the other day and made the mistake of looking at the Facebook comments.

    I'm shocked that we haven't been wiped out by God/aliens/meteors yet.

  • TK

    What people fail to understand is how ashamed kids are when they're bullied, and I speak from intensely personal experience. You're ashamed because you feel weak and pathetic and because you can't stand up for yourself. And maybe your parents are loving and supportive and told you to turn the other cheek or to stand up for yourself or to talk to someone, but you still feel like the worthless little shit who gets picked on because you're not as tough or not as smart or not as popular as the other kids. And you feel like if your peers think of you that way, is that something that you want to admit to your parents? Do you want to go to your parents and tell them that nobody likes you? If nobody likes you, maybe the problem isn't them. Maybe the problem is you, right?

    And THAT'S what being a victim feels like.

    So you cover it up. You lie about it. You tell them you got hit in the eye with a baseball, or that you're going to a friend's house when really you're just going to sit in the park by yourself and try to figure out why you're being picked on. And you can't figure it out. And nothing works. And then hopelessness sets in, and if you stay on that path for long enough, you end up at the same terrible destination that this poor kid did. For me, I broke free of the bullying before the damage could be that devastating, but it takes a while, and even longer for the damage to heal.

    For this kid, he actually told his parents, and they -- from the written accounts, anyway -- were nothing but supportive. But it's so much more complicated and hard to understand and just awful than that. You can't blame his parents, just like the sole blame doesn't rest on their parents. When something like this happens, it's a systemic failure, and that's what we as a society need to figure out how to fix.

  • competitivenonfiction

    This absolutely rings true based on my experience. Admit to my parents that I was a loser? That I had no friends? That I bit back tears at lunch every day while I ate in the most hidden part of the schoolyard I could find that day? Not until things got so bad that I considered ending it. Choosing to live through it and get past it all was the best decision I ever made. And I was 12. I was fucking 12.

    These parents clearly reacted with love, as did mine. And I know they all did the best they could with what they had. But I will say that I wish my parents hadn't convinced me that changing schools would have been running away from my problems. If my daughter gets bullied, I will let her change schools. Hell, I will let her home school if she needs to. Because sometimes you can't outrun the 12 year old psychopath in your class. Sometimes the lesson has to be "there is nothing wrong with walking away from people who treat you poorly." I'll teach her to stand up for herself and the people around her, but I will not tell her that you have to suffer through shit because the people around you are dishing it out.

    I can only wish that this little man gets exactly what I got. One day, he'll be dancing at his wedding completely surrounded by people who love him. And he'll think to himself, 'thank God I didn't do it. Thank God it didn't work.'

  • TK

    One day, he'll be dancing at his wedding completely surrounded by people who love him. And he'll think to himself, 'thank God I didn't do it. Thank God it didn't work.

    Christ, the dust in this room is fucking brutal.

  • seaturtles

    This rings so true. My 12 (soon to be 13) year old niece came to live with us about 6 months ago. She had a shitty situation with my sister and has been bullied all of her life. She has aspergers and My Little Pony is one of her favorites. It has a simple message of kindness and friendship that she can understand. Although she does know that we have to have good whiskey available in order for me to watch it with her.

    She gets bullied all the time at school and we know some of it and we intervene and we talk to teachers and parents and her but it never stops and we only hear about a small portion of it. We have found that supportive isn't enough. We have her in social skills classes where she practices how to stand up to bullies and we have found that she needs allies at school. She may not be able to make traditional "friends" but we have worked with the school to find some nice kids that kind of protect her and watch out for her. Having that kind of support has made a huge difference for her.

  • eag46

    What TK said. Even the most supportive parents in the world can't help. "Ignore the teasing and it'll go away" is a load of shit. I got into more trouble for reacting to the teasing than my teasers did. And of course, my reactions led to more teasing. The last two years of high school were in a different environment which saved my sanity and most likely my life. This was 25 years ago. Wish I could say things have changed...but it looks like it hasn't.

  • Bob Genghis Khan

    I think every person, and every generation says this at some time or another, and it always rings true, and you probably feel your age when you mutter it, but:

    "Kids these days. I just don't understand them."

    As if I needed more of a reason to send my kids to private school.

  • hickoryduck

    lol what? You know private schools are often even WORSE considering the immense wealth and privilege many of those kids have, right?

  • Gayle

    If you're planning on sending your children to private school then you sure as hell better make sure they have the right shoes, name, hairstyle, accent and taste in tv programs. Because I went to a private school and I didn't and that's what my life was, hell.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    You are in for a rude awakening if you think PRIVATE school will protect your children from bullying.

  • Ozioma

    Sending your children to private school =/= making them better people.

  • chanohack

    If you think your kids will be safe from bullying in private school, you are sadly mistaken, my friend. Signed, a kid who grew up brutally teased in private school.

  • Wigamer

    Amen. Signed a middle-school teacher currently teaching in a private school.

  • Nyltiak

    I don't know the school systems where you live or anything, but I went to fancy east coast private school. Full of horrible bullies. And the school ignored it even more than public school did because, ya know, their parents paid tuition and the school wanted their money. I had a big "fuck you" attitude, and I was smarter than most of my tormenters, who quickly grew tired of me throwing their idiocy back in their faces, but other classmates of mine were not so lucky. Private school is not a panacea. It's finding the right school, public or private.

  • Miss Kate

    Ugh. So sad. I hope he pulls through.

  • Miss Kate

    Now I just want to hug my own son.

  • JenVegas

    If you haven't yet I highly recommend watching the Bronies doc on Netflix. It is in part deeply saddening to know that so many boys and men are barraged with hate over their love of a cartoon. But it's also inspiring in that there is no guile or snark or irony in this subset's appreciation for the show. It's like, for real, you guys. And there's so much support there. This is a community that loves it's members.
    This poor kid. I hope he heals and that the universe grants him and his family some peace of mind. And I hope that the parents of his tormentors know that they are awful, awful parents. Good job raising some monsters there you guys. Bravo.

  • TacoBellRey

    Hopefully he pulls through and finds a group of kids that he knows care about him and appreciate him. I don't know where I would be if I didn't find my gang of misfits.

  • mrsachmo

    not excusing the behavior, but they are children. hopefully this teaches them something about the power of words, and how NOT to act toward fellow humans.

    I realize people are finally coming to grips with just how horrible and damaging bullying and hazing can be, but teasing and hazing will not disappear overnight. it's very, very good that we are focusing on it more now, and giving kids an avenue to get help, but we have a very long way to go, and even then it may not be possible to completely eliminate bullying.

  • Bert_McGurt

    I so hate that bullying kids by calling them gay is still a thing. I'm not surprised, but it still infuriates me.

    I remember being 11 and having no friends. I really feel for this kid.

  • UglyBattery

    How heartbreaking. I'll be praying for him and his family. I was mercilessly teased at that age as well, for being weird and dressing in ways the other kids didn't like. It was so hard. But I can't imagine how intense and unrelenting the torture must have been for him to do this. This poor boy, he's just a baby still. I hope he recovers.

  • I just...who does this anymore?

    I agree that this is crappy ass parenting EDIT: on the bullies' end. Kids don't give a shit about whether what they watch or play with or do is "for boys" or "for girls". Adults put that shit in their heads.

    And if these are the kind of kids around him, I don't blame him for not having any friends.

    As sad as that last picture is, I am glad they did have those stuffed ponies there, to both comfort and give a nice "fuck you" to anybody who thought this shit was right to do.

  • foca9

    I think I read somewhere else that he, if he wakes up, is going to be blind?

    Not that this wasn't sad enough already. People, why do you do these things :(

  • If you click the original Chicago Now article and then click the update at the end of it, you'll find info on how to send a donation to help with his medical bills. Also, Pentatonix and Lindsay Stirling, his favorite musicians, have made plans to visit and play for Michael in the hopes that he might hear them and wake up. That makes me love them even more, and I hope he pulls through.

  • dizzylucy

    Thank you for posting that info. I hope as the story spreads, more and more people show their support to Michael and his family.

  • Berry

    It's always like this: you hear something that makes you hate humanity, and you're sure that this is it. The last straw. You turn in your human card, and maybe move to South-America to join the sloths or something. But then almost immediately you find out about someone doing something decent, even good, and you think maybe you can stand to be human a little while longer yet.

    Fuck us. What a terrible, beautiful species we are.

  • MorningStar

    you know, in south america live humans to, so if you want to turn in
    your human card, and say goodbye to humankind, i guess u could go to the
    bottom of the sea, maybe?.Also fuck those fucking bullies man, for reals.

  • Berry

    You're right, that was a dumb thing to say. I apologize. And bottom of the sea it is. I wonder if the blob fishes would let me join them?

  • MorningStar

    uum sorry for any spelling mistakes and for the wierd format.

  • If you're going to rag on people for having stupid hobbies, you have to wait until you're in your twenties and those people are your friends. Because by then you'll have your own stupid hobbies and they can rag you back. He's 11, let him watch whatever he wants. Hell when I was 11, my favorite shows were Reading Rainbow and a PBS show about how interesting math was, neither of which were exactly tickets to popularity their own selves.

  • stella

    Hey, one of my favorites was called Mummies Alive. No ones even heard of that show.

  • I have. It was pretty great. Totally ludicrous, but what cartoon wasn't back then?

    Also, it had Cree Summer, which meant I HAD to watch it.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    My numerator's up, up up, my denominator's down - get down!

    There's action at the Fraction Bar.

    I made a MathMan board game for a 5th grade project. And I was so psyched when I saw Pat Tuesday in a Broadway show. (even though it was a tragedy to lose Kate Monday)

  • Nyltiak

    Whatever, Square One was a fantastic show.

  • My favorite bits were always the detectives who solved 'crimes' with math. I should check see if you can get that on DVD in case I ever end up having kids.

  • Mathnet was the best! I went to daycare after school and on breaks until I was 11 so I only got to see Square One on sick days but Mathnet definitely sticks in my head as being awesome.

  • Nyltiak

    YES MATHNET. That was the shit. I can't believe I can still recall some of their plot lines 20+ years later, but my favorites were the Payola and counterfeit money episodes.

    The internet is telling me that Square One doesn't exist on DVD, which is a crying shame.

  • MikeRoorda

    I LOVED THIS SHOW. Also 3-2-1 Contact.

    I'ma just leave this one here:

  • emilya

    i am now 31 and i STILL find my self randomly singing the theme song from 3-2-1 contact constantly. glad to know i'm not alone in my pbs nostalgia love.

  • Brian Merritt

    Breaking my heart today, Pajiba.

  • Zeus McGuinnes

    He must have had some serious problems besides the bullying, perhaps the parents should pay attention to their kid so he doesn't resort to this.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    While blaming his parents for not paying attention is flippant and, in this case, inaccurate, you aren't entirely off-base with the "problems besides the bullying" - which even the followup article notes.

    Reading this little kid's story - it's so sad. A kid who has his niches, who has found a lot of things that give him joy, and he gets knocked around them. It sounds like half of Pajiba has been there. It's not his fault. It's not the fault of his parents. It's not even entirely the fault of his bullies or their parents - because at 11 years old, you DON'T always know what you're doing is wrong, and parents of 11 year olds don't always know what their kids are up to.

    Teasing and bullying are, unfortunately, natural human impulses. It's how we make our values known. You're Jewish, ew. You like Arcade Fire, hipster ew. You play handball - rich prick, ew. You wear Crocs, ew. It is systemic, because it's part of our nature, and we just have to keep pushing and pushing a system of tolerance from the ground up. But even what we're supposed to tolerate is changing - gay kids? kids who obviously ignore hygiene standards? trans kids? Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist kids? kids with peanut allergies?

    I guess my thought is that kids at that age have difficulty not only processing being teased, but even processing how to tease, or to question differences, and there's a long, long way to go and a lot of work to do before tolerance is built in to the system. (mainly because most adults still suck, too)

  • emmalita

    Well articulated, intelligent and full of heart.

  • $78742978

    I'm honestly puzzled by this constant response to suicide. A girl was raped and bullied and committed suicide? She must have had other problems. Nude pics ruined a life and the victim took it? Must have other problems. Bullied kid commits suicide literally the same day as a bad amount of bullying? Must be something else. Something is clearly wrong with every suicide victim, let's pretend that they would've committed suicide eventually. As someone who has contemplated suicide (not that I'm proud of it), let me assure you that even as an adult, an extremely difficult event can indeed precipitate thoughts that would not have occurred without the terrible event. There might be a background, but that doesn't mean we dismiss the precipitating event. There's only so much people can take, and sometimes a straw breaks a camel's back. I believe many people would be alive today if in fact they had more of a pause from human unkindness, violence, and injustice. I feel like we tell ourselves it must be something else because we don't want to be so responsible for other people. But we are. You can insist that we're responsible for only ourselves until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't change the impact that terrible human behavior can indeed have, often for the rest of your life, and how it can build up and make it feel like life and people will never get better. If we take more responsibility for the effect we have on each other, maybe we'd be kinder.

  • stella

    Dude... you werent bullied as a kid were you?

  • chanohack

    I loathe this line of thinking. It's so cruel to parents that are already going through a world of shit and smacks of complete lack of empathy. I hope you never have to go through something like this, Z.M., but if you do, I hope no one comes along and says OBVIOUSLY the parents did SOMETHING wrong.

  • cruzzercruz

    Yes, because parents are a protective bubble that shield children 24 hours a day from the cruel, shitty world that envelopes them. The rest of the people they meet and interact with daily have no affect on them whatsoever.

  • mrsachmo

    it doesn't take much to make your world feel like it's collapsed, especially when you are young. if you feel like everyone hates you, and their actions support your impression, it can be really devastating.

    so i disagree that there has to be other problems.

  • emmalita

    That downvote is from me. Victim blaming allows people to ignore problems. It absolves us of any responsibility we might have to think about how we are raising our kids, or even to think about the larger gender norming issues raised by this particular incident.

  • Dave Dorris

    No, I think that downvote was from the internet.

  • Nyltiak

    Seriously?!?! HIS parents should pay attention? What about the parents of the shitty kids who tormented him? What about the school for tolerating the bullying? No, let's put it on his parents. I was bullied in school, and my parents barely had an inkling because I acted as if everything was fine at home. A LOT of suicides seem to come out of nowhere. We're societally conditioned to behave as if everything is fine.

  • oui

    in the Update Post, there's a paragraph that stated that up until the night of the attempted suicide, Michael "was not outwardly exhibiting any warning signs of depressions.." continuing to go about his habits (playing violin, bouncing around, watching MLP).

    There's also a write-up of a similar suicide (by hanging, due to bullying) by another student of about Michael's age, at the same school 14 years ago.

  • UglyBattery

    My parents didn't know I was being teased and bullied until years later. For some reason I didn't think they needed to know. :( but the article does mention his dad seeming to have known about th bullying. But to what extent, who knows.

  • Nyltiak

    Yeah, and sometimes the best thing is to at least give the kid a chance to deal with it him/herself. A lot of the time, parental involvement just makes the situation worse. The bullying I got died down to mostly nothing when I developed a "fuck you and the horse you rode in on" attitude and got good at comebacks.

  • Darn you, Pajiba. Couldn't you let me make it to 9 a.m. without crying?

    Seriously though, my thoughts and prayers are with Michael and his family. What a horrible situation all the way around.

  • Reena Chakalakal

    His tormentors also were children. This is a case of bad parenting. It is a parent's job to bring up their kids with good values.

  • mrsachmo

    there is much more to it than bad parenting. i believe hazing and bullying are human nature, and if we want to curb them we need to learn more about how the young mind develops, and try to move them past this phase faster than they do now.

  • Some Guy

    It's so much more complicated than that. All the values can go out the window when you're dealing with a peer pressure situation where there are no adults around. Even good kids can do mean things.

  • Gretchen

    Agreed. I'm a teacher, and kids with great parents will still do shitty things to other kids sometimes. And they're smart about it--they know how to do it in a way that adults won't find out. I tell my students from day 1 that if anyone picks on them, they need to say something, and they'll be believed, and there will be consequences for their tormenters. I only hope and pray they feel safe enough to come forward when it happens.

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