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By Daniel Carlson | Posted Under Lost Recaps | Comments (155)



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If nothing else, “Lost” has been reliable these past few weeks in alternating stronger and weaker episodes, and this week’s “The Package” was the letdown after the compelling “Ab Aeterno.” Part of it’s because it was a Sun-and-Jin episode, and the problem with those is that Sun can be a one-note pain in the ass. Plus the Los Angeles timeline, though it filled in a couple holes and showed how things are different for the Kwon family in the non-crash timeline, felt mostly wasted because most of what would happen was covered in the Sayid-centric “Sundown” a few weeks back. The episode existed mainly to advance two or three island-timeline plot points, but at least they were interesting ones.

The Los Angeles Timeline
We’re back at LAX, right after Oceanic 815 lands. The TSA officer tells Jin he’s free to go but that his cash has been confiscated, so he and Sun leave for their hotel. Something’s different right away from their other reality: Jin’s talking too much about his feelings. He expresses worry that he doesn’t have the cash to go with the gift of the watch that Sun’s father wants him to deliver to someone in Los Angeles. They get to their hotel, where Jin makes a low-level scene with the desk clerk about needing two rooms because he and Sun aren’t married (another difference), but later that evening he visits Sun to talk and it’s clear that their lives are just an act. He says he should go to the restaurant where he’s supposed to meet with the mystery man, but Sun reminds him it’s almost midnight, and some more flirting leads to her taking off her sweater as she and Jin move in and start to get right to business. So, there’s that.

The next morning, she suggests they run away and use the money she’s got in a private account, but Jin’s reluctant to do that much to cross her father. Jin swears again that he loves Sun, and she’s about to confess something, when there’s a knock at the door. He hides in the bathroom as she answers it to find Keamy, mere hours from death, grinning at her in that goofy but terrible way that he has. He pushes his way inside with his also-soon-to-be-killed Arab henchman and asks Sun where her “bodyguard” is. She’s given him the watch, but Keamy wants to know what happened to the missing cash. Spotting the twin champagne flutes on the nightstand, he figures out the scene and has his man check the bathroom, where Jin’s still standing with a towel around his waist like this isn’t a life-threatening situation. They don’t understand Keamy, and he can’t interpret their Korean (his bored “Stop it” as they chatter in front of him is perfect), so he has his man summon a guy who speaks nine languages: Mikhail, because why not, this world is like Craphole Island Repertory Theater. Everybody comes back.

Mikhail translates for Jin and Sun and tells Keamy that their money was taken by authorities but that Sun can get more at the bank. Keamy has Mikhail take her there while he and the other guy take Jin to the restaurant. Most of this part of the episode is completely devoid of tension because we know Sayid will eventually kill Keamy and his henchmen and discover Jin, so everything that happens up till that point winds up feeling a little slack. At the bank, Sun finds out that her dad knew about her private account and shut it down, while back at the restaurant, Keamy tapes Jin to his chair in the fridge and does the Bond villain thing of explaining his evil plan since he knows Jin doesn’t understand English anyway. It turns out that the missing cash was Keamy’s fee to kill Jin on Mr. Paik’s orders as punishment for sleeping with Sun. (This is also why Paik zeroed out his daughter’s supposedly private bank account.) Blah blah blah, Sayid shows up and kills everybody and then finds Jin in the fridge. He initially decides to leave him there, but Jin shouts him back and gets Sayid to leave him a nearby box-cutter so he can work on freeing himself. Shortly thereafter, Mikhail shows up with Sun and finds everybody shot. He runs to Keamy, who’s dying, to ask what happened, at which point Jin gets the drop on him with a gun he picked off a dead guard. Mikhail at first figures Jin for the murderer, but then reasons that if that were the case, Jin would have killed Mikhail himself already. (Dumb logic, but whatever.) Mikhail spins around and they briefly tussle over the gun, which lets off a few stray rounds, but Jin eventually kicks him back and shoots him in the eye, mirroring the eye-patch Mikhail wore in the original timeline.

However, Jin turns to see that Sun’s caught one of the strays in the chest or gut (hard to tell the way she was crumpled up), and he panics and rushes to her. He lifts her up and tells her she’ll be all right, but as he starts to carry her out, she wails: “I’m pregnant!” Damn.

The Island Timeline
The regular timeline stuff was a bit muddier this week, but here’s a basic breakdown between the locations:

The action resumes at the Man in Black’s camp viewed through night-vision goggles but eventually shifts to a normal look. The Man in Black asks if Jin’s been told about the cave, and when Jin says he has, MIB reminds him that the name “Kwon” was on the wall and not crossed out. (Also: I know I haven’t referred to him before this with the colloquial “MIB,” but since he’s officially been christened on-screen as the Man in Black, and I don’t want to type that whole thing out every time, I’m going to go with the acronym until something better comes along.) Anyway, MIB says that the only way they can leave is if every person whose name isn’t crossed out goes together, though Jin notes that Sun’s not here. I’m not sure why/if everyone needs to be together or if MIB just wants to cover his bets, but it’s still a nice parallel for the beast trapped in the body of John Locke to have to recruit people the way the real Locke hounded the Oceanic Six.

Sayid tells MIB that he doesn’t feel anything, whether emotional or physical, but MIB tells him that’s probably for the best and it might help Sayid “get through what’s coming.” He hikes off, and Jin starts packing and tries to bolt. Sawyer tries to stop him, but everybody suddenly gets shot with tranquilizer darts by a team wearing night-vision goggles. They’re led by sweaty Tina Fey Zoe, and they find Jin and cart him off. When the Man in Black returns later, he’s understandably pissed to find everybody drugged up and passed out on the jungle floor, but he manages to rouse Sayid and ask what happened to Jin.

Well, Jin has been taken to Room 23, the creepy deprivation room on Hydra Island where Karl was brainwashed. Jin awakens in one of the main chairs and flips the switch to start the freaky slideshow, learning the hard way not to play with unmarked electronics. He shuts it off and Zoe appears, using a taser on him when he tries to escape. She unfolds a DHARMA map charting pockets of electromagnetic activity on the island and tells Jin that whoever signed off on the maps for DHARMA could probably help her find the energy areas. The maps were signed by Jin, and she wants to know how and why — she clearly suspects him of having weird ties with DHARMA, and I’m not sure if she knows about his whole time-traveling thing — but Jin just blows her off and asks to talk to her boss, who he knows to be Charles Widmore.

Meanwhile, back at MIB’s camp, he gives Sayid a gun, which is probably a stupid thing to do to a man possessed by a dark spirit and increasingly unable to feel pain or happiness, but then, when you’re an immortal smoke monster, you don’t worry about bullets. Claire tells MIB she’s afraid to go home because she’s worried Aaron won’t recognize her and will only know Kate as his mother. MIB says that he needs Kate to help him get everybody else rounded up but that her name has been crossed off already, so when he’s done with her, “whatever happens, happens.” He’s tacitly telling Claire that she can kill Kate when MIB doesn’t need her. Creepy. Shortly after, he sets off for Hydra Island to go get Jin.

He arrives to find the sonic fence set up along the shore — Widmore’s people move quick — and is met by Zoe and others, then Widmore. He and Widmore exchange some bullshit pleasantries, and Widmore lies about not knowing where Jin is. The Man in Black nods and thinks for a moment before saying, “A wise man once said that war was coming to this island. I think it just got here.” He’s quoting the words Widmore spoke to John Locke in “The Life and Death of Jeremy Bentham,” words that Widmore used to push John into helping him. There’s no better way for the Man in Black to piss on Widmore’s plans than remind him that he killed the man Widmore was counting on.

After he leaves, Widmore goes back to his base and argues with Zoe about MIB’s radically accelerated timeframe when Jin walks in. Zoe leaves, and Widmore gives Jin Sun’s digital camera, recovered from the Ajira, so he can see pictures of his daughter. Widmore tells Jin that if MIB escapes, everyone they love “will simply cease to be.” Then he uses a line that far too many single men have used: “I think it’s time for you to see the package.” Jin asks what it is, but Widmore corrects him: “It’s not a ‘what,’ it’s a ‘who.’”

So: While all that is going on, there’s also movement on the beach camp, where Ilana, Ben, Miles, Jack, and Frank are awaiting the return of Richard and Hurley. Ilana’s got faith in Hurley’s tracking skills, but Miles hilariously fires back, “Unless Alpert’s covered in bacon grease, I’m not sure Hurley can track anything.” Sun is upset at not being allowed to go look for Jin, so she goes to work in her long-abandoned garden, even blowing off Jack’s attempts to make her feel better with another speech about destiny. Left alone, though, she’s a target, and it’s not long before MIB shows up and promises to take her to Jin if she just comes with him to his camp. Sun’s not buying his story, or his defense that the people he killed at the Temple were “confused,” so she sets off running as he MIB chases after her. (Why he doesn’t just turn into smoke and catch up is beyond me.) She doesn’t watch her path and cracks her head against a tree branch, passing out.

She wakes up to find Ben trying to talk to her, and she rambles in Korean before blurting, “Locke!” Back at the beach camp, she still can’t speak English, but she can understand it, and Jack diagnoses her with temporary aphasia. Just then, Hurley and Richard return, and Richard’s all fired up to take on the whole Empire himself. He tells the gang that they need to pack their bags and head to Hydra Island so they can destroy the Ajira plane and prevent MIB’s escape. Sun goes ballistic at this idea and rants at Richard in Korean before, once again, running away. She said she came to save her husband, not the world, as if her husband wasn’t a part of the world and didn’t also depend on its not being overrun by a malevolent shape-shifting evil.

Later on, Jack finds her by a campfire and produces pad and pen for her to write her comments until her speech comes back. (I’m guessing there was a stockpile of DHARMA office supplies around.) He asks her what happened when the Man in Black visited her, and I’m glad the pad was just used to replay what we the viewer already knew, because ABC’s glaring and awful ad for the return of “V” blocked most of her written notes. You’re ruining your own shows with ads for your own shows, guys. Anyway, Jack manages to restore their bond and her trust in him, and he promises to do all he can to reunite Sun and Jin and to get them home.

The episode ends with Sayid on a mission for MIB, who’d bluntly told Sawyer, “I don’t like secrets,” in reference to Sawyer’s report of a locked compartment on Widmore’s sub. Down at the pier, Sayid emerges from beneath the water and swims closer to the dock as Zoe and a helper lift a man’s body from the sub and drag him onto the landing area. They let him slump to the ground, and the man — the “package” — is revealed to be Desmond, who actually comes face to face with a hiding Sayid but doesn’t say anything (maybe doesn’t even notice) because he’s still drugged from what was apparently an involuntary trip. Then again, maybe he’s drugged because it’s easier for people to approach the island when they’re knocked out. For some reason, that idea rings a bell in terms of DHARMA transports, but I’m too tired to cross-reference it. I’ll leave that to the hive-mind.

And that’s that for this week. Like I said, pretty dry and mostly uninvolving. I’ve got a bad feeling about the survival chances for Sun’s baby in the non-crash timeline. Things in that world aren’t necessarily happier than in the original one, just different, so while the original story had Jin emotionally abusing Sun but eventually siring a child, it doesn’t seem out of place to imagine that their non-crash counterparts would be madly in love but doomed to suffer tragedy before their child arrives. I also want to know what Widmore wants with Desmond, and what kind of mojo his special time powers will work in the battle for the island. Also: Doesn’t this make Ben and Widmore on the same side now? Will the origin and purpose of DHARMA be folded in, or will the show stay with the mythology it’s using now? And seriously: Wouldn’t you watch a show about Keamy?

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a member of the Houston Film Critics Society, as well as a TV blogger for the Houston Press. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

Desmond's arrival on the island should add to the tension when he realizes Ben is also there... Time for some payback for the attempt on Penny's life? Has Widmore brought him back to use him as a rabid attack dog?

Lots of strings to tie together in the remaining episodes, lets hope they've jettisoned the lackluster work in the first half of the season.

Posted by: The Monkey Man at March 31, 2010 11:45 AM

As I was watching last night I kept thinking how awesome a spin off would be starring Keamy and Mikhail. I would be there.

Posted by: DemonWaterPolo at March 31, 2010 11:47 AM

I liked that Jack's moment with Sun mirrored Locke's attempt to recruit her. Even the camera angle as each man extended their hand was matched.

Speaking of mirrors, MIRRORS! We got to see Sun have a creepy-realization-moment in a mirror, but not one for Jin. I feel like that has to mean something.

And seriously: Wouldn’t you watch a show about Keamy?
All day, every day, without pants.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 11:53 AM

In one of the first Juliet episodes, we see that she has to take drugs to knock her out before she gets on the sub to go to the island. Guess they did that to Desmond, too.

And the whole aphasia thing was so lame. What is the purpose?? When it happened, I was like, "SHENANIGANS!!"

I was very disappointed by this week's ep.

But I would totally watch "The Keamy & Mikhail Show".

Posted by: Jelinas at March 31, 2010 11:56 AM

Love me some Keamy.

Posted by: chad at March 31, 2010 11:56 AM

They drugged old Whatsherface McBabyDoctor before bringing her there to research the infertility. Is that what you wanted to cross-reference?

Posted by: Kballs at March 31, 2010 11:57 AM

what, seriously? you thought it was a letdown after last week?
i beg to differ. plus, when has sun been a one note pain the ass? kate maybe, but not sun. she kicks major ass.
plus, KEAMY, my favorite character, hands down appeared! you guys always complain about the sideways flashes, yet they're finally tying them together & you're still complaining?
i loved the reveal with keamy telling jin that he was delivering the money for his own hit.
good pickup on the shot thru eye/eyepatch thing-didn't catch that.
Ha ha ha-SO glad someone brought up the tina fey/zoe lookalike. i want to punch that woman in the face.
hasn't anyone told claire that aaron's in the care of her mom? why hasn't kate mentioned that she had that freaky dream of claire screaming at her not to bring aaron back to the island?
anybody else get creeped out by jack when he went to talk to sun by the fire? by the end of his conversation he had a weird gleam in his eye and smile while holding out his hand-just like mib kept trying to do with her...think smokey can appear as other people?
and a big f'n resounding YES to watching ANYTHING with Keamy in it.
(also, yay for desmond's return-about time)

Posted by: gem at March 31, 2010 12:05 PM

Things in that world aren’t necessarily happier than in the original one, just different, so while the original story had Jin emotionally abusing Sun but eventually siring a child, it doesn’t seem out of place to imagine that their non-crash counterparts would be madly in love but doomed to suffer tragedy before their child arrives.

The alternate LA timeline is really driving me nuts this season. At first I thought it could be really cool, then it started to seem really ridiculous and sloppy, and now don't know what to make of it.

Has anyone been paying enough attention to have a concrete theory on how & why things are different in the alternate timeline? Some characters seem to be the inverse of their original selves (Sun & Jin, Sawyer's a cop, Hurley seems more professional and less cursed, Jack has a kid) While others appear to be the same as they always were (Kate on the run, Charlie on drugs, Claire pregnant, Locke crippled). Then there are the side characters who keep popping up in random roles completely re-purposed (Miles, Keamy). And what the hell is Ben doing there? How is he even present in Alternate LA? Wasn't he on the island in 1974 when the bomb went off?

I think a lot of frustration with the final season stems from the perception that this Alternate LA storyline is a big mess. I'm having trouble seeing any rhyme or reason, and explainable cause for the changes (and constants) in alternate 1974. Is it building toward something meaningful (like season five & the time travel did)? Or is it just jumping the shark? I have faith but I'm growing more skeptical. There's, what, less than five hours of LOST left?

Sorry if a lot of this has been discussed in previous weeks, this is only the second episode since I've been caught up.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 12:06 PM

I loved Ben's indignation at being accused of hurting Sun. His character is one hilarious lost puppy (or so we're led to believe).

The "who" had to be Walt or Desmond, and now I'm expecting Walt to show up any minute. The show can't be done with him considering his importance early on.

The lady who plays Zoe promotes pole dancing as a way to get in shape. She is wise and a welcome addition to my Tuesday evenings.

Posted by: Kballs at March 31, 2010 12:07 PM

I actually thought Jack's demeanor during the Sun talk was much more reminiscent of Jacob (more modern Jacob, like the passive resistance with Ben or his conversations with Hurley, not the Jacob that tooled up on Ricardo.) Seriously, check out old Jacob from The Incident episode where he talks to adult Jack, Sun/Jin, Hurley, even Ilana. Jacob and Jack's speech and mannerisms are very similar.

Posted by: tripM at March 31, 2010 12:09 PM

And seriously: Wouldn’t you watch a show about Keamy?

Whoever is responsible for casting this show is absolutely fucking amazing.

Ben. Richard. Keamy. Hugo. Jacob. And a whole lot of other characters-- they just have such a distinctive or unsettling or fascinating or alluring look/presence to them... and everyone is relatively unknown which makes it even more effective. I think I would watch an 8-hour behind the scenes documentary just to look at these people some more. Keamy could read the phone book to my rapt attention.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 12:13 PM

I'm right you you, tripm. That's why I loved the contrast. It reminded me, physically, so much of MIB, but there was just enough to throw it into Jacob's court.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 12:14 PM

tripM: I thought the same thing about Jack; he seems to be recognizing his destiny and embracing it. Whether that's what will actually happen is another matter -- maybe he'll be offered the choice to "live" in the alternate timeline and he needs sufficient motivation to stay and "be Jacob"? I dunno.

Also, manipulative as it was, Jin's browsing of his never-met daughter's photos in the camera made this dad of a 3-year-old more than a little verklempt.

Posted by: Chris at March 31, 2010 12:16 PM

Amen to that, Yoss.

But didn't they evacuate the island or something before the bomb went off? I could swear there was something like that...

Posted by: Jelinas at March 31, 2010 12:16 PM

Best line of the episode: after Sawyer asks MIB if he can't just turn into smoke and fly off the island, and MIB says that if he could do that, wouldn't he have already? Sawyer's response:

"Well of course not; that would be ridiculous."

Also, is it just me, or does Zoe perpetually look like she's waking up from a night of rough sex?

Posted by: Sean at March 31, 2010 12:18 PM

Thinking about the comment of things not boding well for the Kwon family, especially the daughter, I've had the feeling for a while now that Sun is eventually going to have to choose between being with Jin and being with her daughter. I don't have any theories on how this will play out, but with the observation that Sun had her mirror moment in this episode, but Jin didn't, I think Sun is one of the candidates and Jin is capable of meeting his demise when the time comes.

This episode felt a little 'meh' to me too, but I was also preoccupied with laundry while I watched. I need to watch it again before I give my full judgment.

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 12:24 PM

Really, the only interesting thing about this episode was the actual package.

Whether or not Desmond was drugged, he was obviously being held against his will on the sub behind a locked door, and then dragged off like a prisoner. I don't think his drugging is akin to Juliet's. Meanwhile, everyone else who was on the sub was just fine.

I'm so done with Sun. Her personality has been all over the place, from over-the-top mild-mannered to pseudo tough chick. Meanwhile, she NEVER talks about her child. Has she forgotten Ji Yeon? And if she's so concerned with finding Jin, why is she blindly following this person or that?

I think the important Kwon - or rather, the candidate - may turn out to be Ji Yeon.

Now, as for Desmond, I wonder whether Widmore wants Des to time travel to affect something, or is trying to keep him from time traveling (perhaps by keeping him drugged). Either way, I'm still convinced the Desmond on the sideways plane was a time traveling one, and that his appearance there will eventually have significance in the resolution of the timelines.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2010 12:25 PM

oh-and one other thing i caught-when sawyer says, 'if not then we're screwed six weeks from next sunday'....which is literally the finale.

Posted by: gem at March 31, 2010 12:25 PM

My dominate thought from last night: "Please don't button it. Please don't button it. Please don't button it."

My other thought: hmmmm... cheese curds....

Posted by: logar at March 31, 2010 12:26 PM

Another rant:

1) this episode was pretty terrible. It was clearly filler and just convinced me even more that the writers don't have enough good island-material to fill up the remaining episodes and need to fill in the gaps with shit we already knew happened. Seriously, I don't CARE if the alternate timeline is significant at this point. All I know is that it's boring and frustrating and i just don't care.

2) Huh. Is MIB lying about Kate being crossed off? Somehow I don't think he is. But we haven't seen her name at all.

3) I'm glad we finally found out that Widmore isn't on MIB's side. I was pretty sure he was, then that he wasn't, but I'm glad I FINALLY KNOW.

4) even the big reveal at the end of this episode was a letdown. was there anyone who didn't know at this point that it was Desmond in the locked room? All we need to find out is what he's doing there, but we didn't learn about that this ep. What a damn waste of time.

5) I thought Ben was acting not under Jacob's orders (to kill Locke) but under MIB's false orders, while he pretended to be Jacob. So Ben was unwittingly on MIB's side, but not anymore? Now they are on the same side, but I don't think Ben knows it. We don't even know whose side Widmore is on yet. Not for sure, anyway. Remember that Ben also tried to kill Desmond for some reason.

I'm confused now. I can't keep track of all these damn alliances.

And yeah, Keamy is one creepy dude. I like him.

Kballs: I honestly think Walt will never show up again. The writers completely made him disappear from the show and I doubt they even remember that he was special.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 12:26 PM

I think the reason the MIB doesn't turn into the smoke monster in certain situations is because he knows that's the best way to scare the crap out of people. He's trying to convince the remaining candidates to follow him, and his smoke monster persona is not going to help with that.

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 12:26 PM

Jel,

The Dharma folks evacuated on the sub, but I thought the "others" were still on the island. It's been bugging me and I'm afraid I missed something...

At the end of season 5 the bomb explodes. The time travelers are thrown back into the 2000's into their original timeline, I understand that.

So I assume alternate LA world is what happens if the island blew up and sunk in 1974 when an atom bomb exploded next to the Swan electromagnetism source. But wouldn't that mean that anyone on the island in 1974 would be dead (including Whitmore, Ben, and Faraday's Mom [so, Faraday-fetus, too])?

Did I miss something? Or am I assuming causality and continuity between the bomb incident and the LAX world that isn't necessarily true? And if that's the case, I'm even more confused as to the purpose of LAX world.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 12:26 PM

I'm with you Cindy, re: Desmond. Widmore wants him for his time-traveling gift but I'm still not sure why. Why does he want Jin to see Desmond?

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 12:28 PM

it doesn’t seem out of place to imagine that their non-crash counterparts would be madly in love but doomed to suffer tragedy before their child arrives.

This made me go, "You know, Sun kind of wound up being single-parenty betw. '04-'07 in the original timeline. Perhaps Jin will wind up being single-parenty in the revised/sideways timeline?" And then I cried a little.

Also, Keamy creeps me out even more than Ben, which makes me feel a little dirty for being really, really attracted to him.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 12:30 PM

figgy, I don't think Ben was ever under anyone's orders to kill Locke. He did that under his own volition, because of his ruthless desire for power. He saw Locke as a direct threat to that. And Ben wasn't trying to kill Desmond, he was trying to kill Penny, in retaliation for Widmore's men (man/Keamy) killing Alex. Desmond happened to get in the way when Ben had a weak moment after seeing that Penny had a son.

Hasn't it been confirmed at some press junket or something that Kate's name has indeed been crossed off the list? MIB just confirmed it for all the viewers.

And I don't think Walt is ever coming back either. Consider that path a dead end.

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 12:33 PM

Also, I randomly thought of the 4 Horsemen when MIBlocke told Widmore "I think War just got here." Wouldn't it be interesting if Locke, Widmore, and Jacob were 3 of them? And who would be the fourth? Eloise? We've seen a black horse and a white horse, right? Probably silly.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 12:34 PM

Remember that Ben also tried to kill Desmond for some reason.
figgy, Ben was trying to kill Penny, and he got busted up by Des on her behalf. Also, how can you say you like this show, but seriosuly think they will forget Walt was special? We might not get a very satisfying conclusion, but to ignore it completely? Have a little faith.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 12:35 PM

Oh, you're right, katy! I tells you, I have a terrible memory with this show.

But, hmmm...I still think that MIB had something to do with Locke's death but I'm not quite sure how. Maybe he was always manipulating Ben and Locke so that Ben would get to hate Locke to the point that he would think of murder. Locke was Jacob's chosen candidate and MIB did not like that at all. Hmmmm....

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 12:37 PM

"Then he uses a line that far too many single men have used: “I think it’s time for you to see the package.”"

Mr. Julien used that line on my for the first time nine years ago today.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 12:38 PM

Also, did anyone else think the distinction of the names in the sidewaysflash was important? They've been discussing which one of the two is Kwon, and the episode clearly had them separated (obviously, they weren't married) as Paik and Kwon.

Posted by: tripM at March 31, 2010 12:39 PM

And what the hell is Ben doing there? How is he even present in Alternate LA? Wasn't he on the island in 1974 when the bomb went off?

The bomb went off in 1977. But, if you really think about it, if the bomb really went off, then the bomb didn't really go off. Because the detonation of Jughead apparently reset everything, then none of the Losties were ever on the island to ever want to blow up the bomb. So, it was most likely the Incident that prompted so many people (the Changs, the Linuses, the Goodspeeds) to evacuate the island and raise their families elsewhere.

Also, Figs, Kate was a candidate, but her name has been crossed off. It hasn't been established why she was disqualified.

I think it's pretty amazing what the writers have done with Jack this season. His character has grown so much, and I appreciated the little parallels between him and MIB, what with the reaching out to Sun and everything.

How much you wanna bet that the doctor who treats injured pregnant Sun is one Dr. Juliet Burke?

Posted by: Kolby at March 31, 2010 12:44 PM

Patty, they've left so many important things by the wayside that I'm completely sure Walt is one of them.

I love the show, but it's definitely flawed in many ways. It doesn't mean I don't have an immense amount of distrust for the writers. We've been burned before. They're good, but not that good.

I also don't really want Walt to be back. He's been gone forever, showed up ONCE since then, and I don't see how he could possibly be important at this point. Kid just had some vague mental powers, that's it.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 12:44 PM

Darlton have been pretty insistent that Walt will be back, in some capacity.

Posted by: Kolby at March 31, 2010 12:47 PM

Also, Keamy creeps me out even more than Ben, which makes me feel a little dirty for being really, really attracted to him.
Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 12:30 PM

I know. Totally!

I would like to know why he is doing his best Christopher Walken
impression though.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 12:47 PM

As for the Kwon name, since Jacob followed these people from a very early age and Sun even uses her maiden name in the alternate timeline, it is obvious that Jin is one of the six remaining people. Otherwise it would have "Paik" for Sun. Sorry if this is repetitive, but it rattled my mind grapes last night and I wanted to share. (Cindy, if it turns out to be Ji Yeon, the writers can literally go fuck themselves. I will follow them far afield, but that would be my breaking point.)

Posted by: Kballs at March 31, 2010 12:48 PM

The MIB *was* the one who convinced Locke that he had to go off the island to get the others, and that he was going to have to die in the process. It was also the MIB, disguised as Locke before we knew it, who guided Richard to go to baby/young boy Locke to start Locke's 'destiny' in life. It was only later in Locke's life that Jacob intervened. MIB did seem to want Locke dead, so he must have known in advance that Locke's body was the particular one he needed. A little free association here too...it was Christian Shephard's body that the MIB was inhabiting before, and Locke's body was the one filling in for Shephard in the Ajira crash reenactment. What was it about their bodies in particular?

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 12:50 PM

First of all, as usual, Sawyer has the best lines.... and hair...and chest...and......

*bunk*


Sorry, back from my break. Sun is annoying the ever-loving dogcrap out of me. And the aphasia...what the hell purpose did that serve? Really?

As for Jack acting like Jacob and possibly "embracing his destiny," what if he truly believes he's the one....only to find out it's someone else?

Smocke tacitly giving Claire permission to off Kate? Veddddy interesting...as was Sayid's admission to being devoid of feelings....

Finally, sign me up for the Keamy/Mikhail Comedy & Terror Hour!!!

Posted by: dammitjanet at March 31, 2010 12:50 PM

Figgy,

I think that Kate's last name was on both the cave and the lighthouse dial- it was crossed off in the cave, but not on the dial. I seem to remember screen caps to that effect, anyway.

I've come to just expect very little in the way of big revelations during this season- and I enjoy the alt-reality almost as much as the island reality. It's all about the characters. Once I learned to let go of my expectations, it's been a lot more enjoyable. One thing I've learned from this show is that the more you expect things to be clear, the more it will disappoint you.

BTW, I think that Widmore's intentions and alliances are the biggest, most crucial mystery at this point. My theory is that he's brought the Nerd Herd to use the electromagnetic properties of the island to sink the island, and end the threat of MIB for good.

Posted by: logar at March 31, 2010 12:51 PM

As for the Kwon name, since Jacob followed these people from a very early age and Sun even uses her maiden name in the alternate timeline, it is obvious that Jin is one of the six remaining people. Otherwise it would have "Paik" for Sun.

But Jacob didn't touch them until right after they were married, at the point where they would have then had the same last name.

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 12:53 PM

The lady love for Keamy explains everything men need to know about women, which is that you can never understand any woman, ever. That guy barely controls his rage and homicidal tendencies and threatens everyone behind a maniacal smile and murderous innuendo. He is a cold-blooded sociopathic killer who shot a teenager in the back of the head and looked like he REALLY wanted to rape Sun last night, so why wouldn't you be attracted to him, right?

Sweet jesus.

Posted by: Kballs at March 31, 2010 12:54 PM

"Sweaty Tina Fey." Brilliant. That chick annoys the crap out of me if for no other reason than I'm sick of random minions appearing and then getting killed two episodes later.

I'm going to be utterly let down if the creators, who seemed to have planned things so meticulously for six seasons, somehow didn't consider the fact that the actor who played Walt would age faster than the storyline. They made all that fuss over him only to write him out with breathtaking lameness? I hope not. But at this point, if they bring him back, it'll seem forced. So I'm not sure which scenario to root for.

Anna's comment reminded me that Ben had a creepy thing going for Juliet--what was the point of that? It went nowhere.

Claire--for the love of God, DUNK YOUR HEAD IN SOME WATER already. Or ask MIB to shape-shift into a comb for a few minutes. While I've always found it amusing that the losties maintain their great looks despite their circumstances, and I would welcome a little reality, Claire's hair is now a major distraction in every scene. I can't pay any attention to what's happening because I'm too busy fighting the urge to grab her by the scruff of the neck and go to work on her head with my cat's de-matting comb.

Posted by: DeadBessie at March 31, 2010 12:54 PM

They are definitely fallible, and have made mistakes. I just figure, with a character like Walt, it has to be resolved (and according to Kolby, promises have been made). I hope they satisfy you, figs, I truly do.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 12:55 PM

I stand by my theory that Desmond will take someone back in time somehow, they will detonate Jughead, sink the Island and come back or stay there and die. Why else would they want Desmond?

Aha so Kate's name has been crossed off. I wonder why. Maybe she proved too weak, or too stupid or too indecisive.

And good thinking of those mentioning that they used Sun's maiden name last night. I think we can be pretty sure that the 'Kwon' is Jin. Sun is just too...lame.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 12:56 PM

figgy we have seen Kate's crossed off name.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2010 12:57 PM

@ katy re: He's trying to convince the remaining candidates to follow him, and his smoke monster persona is not going to help with that.

In an extension of that, and since we see him reaching out to people constantly, it would seem to me that they have to go with him willingly and he can not force anyone's hand (so to speak).

So Widmore's organization had enough people and space on the submarine to ring the entire circumference of Hydra island with sonar fence they brought with them in a matter of hours? That is quite an impressive feat.

I thought the episode was fine although I just don't care anymore about who pops up where in the alternate timeline.

Is gem also Barbado Slim? I've noticed a certain comparable desire to gainsay everything.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 12:58 PM

See...I do have faith that they'll pull off some really cool stuff at the end. I just keep my expectations lowered for the mysteries, because some of this stuff they wrote before they had a clear ending in mind.

I agree with DeadBessie: Walt's return will feel forced. I have a feeling that he'll show up in the alternate timeline as just some kid wandering around, nothing really important.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 1:00 PM

Hmm, Yoss, the Others didn't send Ben back to live with Dharma until the proper time? I can't remember what they did with him after he got healed at the temple.

And, Cindy, it would be so interesting if Ji-Yeon was the Kwon in Kwestion (see what I did there? Hee!). That kinda blew my mind a li'l bit.

And am I the only one who was giggling uncontrollably when Widmore said, "Come with me. I think it's time for you to see the package"? I then expected him to offer Jin some free candy.

Posted by: Jelinas at March 31, 2010 1:01 PM

[Keamy] looked like he REALLY wanted to rape Sun last night

What? When the hell did that happen?

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 1:05 PM

I realize ABC has to pimp their other programming and all but wow, that "V" countdown timer in the corner of the screen was intensely annoying. I mean seriously, was there even one person in America sitting there thinking "Awright! "V" starts in 5 minutes and thirty-eight seconds"?

Posted by: Dr. Remulak at March 31, 2010 1:07 PM

Anna,
He leered at her pretty heavily when they were standing by the bed. She wouldn't have gone for it, so raping would've been his next move.

Posted by: Kballs at March 31, 2010 1:08 PM

They could have put a clock on V that said "10,079 minutes until LOST" but why junk up your flagship mystery series to pimp the dumb alien show that's coming up next?

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 1:10 PM

my new theory--which i formed while reading this recap--is that the flash sideways are what happens when MIB gets the candidates off the island. if there is no new Jacob then the island was destroyed at some point--it may have been the incident, but i haven't paid close enough attention to the flash sidways to know for certain. do we know whether Dharma was on the same island in the alternate timeline? i'm sure i'll form a new theory after next week's episode, which is part of the reason i love this show so much.

also, Keamy is incredibly sexy. he may be a sociopath, but he's got that dangerous hot thing going that makes him irresistible. would i be attracted to him in the real world? probably, which is why i don't date, but most women grow out of that phase.

Posted by: pq at March 31, 2010 1:12 PM

I think Keamy just always looks menacing and intense like that, and his default expression along with robe-clad Sun made you infer the rape-y intentions.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 1:12 PM

@kballs re: Keamy

We didn't say we were proud of it.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 1:13 PM

My bad - her name was on the lighthouse wheel but not crossed out. However, Cuse has confirmed her name crossed out and sorry it wasn't captured in footage.

interview

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2010 1:18 PM

But Jacob didn't touch them until right after they were married, at the point where they would have then had the same last name.

I read somewhere just yesterday that in Korea women don't actually take their husband's last name. Is this true? Anyone? If so, Sun would never have been a Kwon. Not in Korea, at least. If this is true, though, it would seem that the writers have chosen to ignore it, since even Sun asked Ilana, "Which one?" when she was told that a Kwon was one of the candidates.

Posted by: Kolby at March 31, 2010 1:19 PM

DrRemulak: I used it to get increasingly more annoyed at nothing happening on Lost. "4 minutes and 35 seconds to go AND NOTHING HAS HAPPENED YET COME ON!"

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 1:20 PM

What I found interesting about Widmore talking to Jin was the bit about protecting their daughters. It seems that whatever Widmore is doing is to protect Penny. In the past he's thought keeping away Desmond was the way to do it.

So does Widmore it work out better in Widmore's head to keep the original timeline, or to push things toward the sideways timeline (I'd guess the former)? Or, does Widmore just realize that if MIB gets off island, evil will be released into the world, and that's how he needs to protect his daughter - keep MIB on island? His appeal to Jin was this thing in common they had. Maybe Widmore will say that he used to think Desmond was going to ruin his daughter's life, but now he's realized that Desmond (using his ability) is who he needs to keep his daughter safe.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2010 1:27 PM

Keamy scares me. He scares me a great deal. He looks like someone who'd purposefully burn random strangers on the subway with his cigarettes.

As for the sideways flashes, I think I read that something timey-wimey is supposed to happen to connect the two time lines or bring them together in some way. I find it hard to believe that the writers would add in such random and seemingly unimportant scenes just as time filler. My guess is whatever caused the split in time will cause it to snap back together.

I also want to ask: Is it just me, or does 'Lost' have more commercials during it than other TV shows? It seems like there is a commercial break for every three minutes of actual show.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at March 31, 2010 1:30 PM

No-Lips Keamy scares me and I'm tired of him. I do not find him attractive. Ew.

I'm getting frustrated as I watch these episodes (except for last week's, which had me totally unaware of how much time had passed and whether the hour was almost up) but I'm hoping that when it is all said and done I can go back and watch Lost from the beginning and enjoy it for what it is. Whatever it is that Lost is.

I really have no insight other than that because I'm slooooow. Dur.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at March 31, 2010 1:30 PM

Hurley and Richard return, and Richard’s all fired up to take on the whole Empire himself.

Love me a good Dak reference. Great work, as always, Mr. Carlson.

Posted by: Coltrane at March 31, 2010 1:36 PM

This episode disappointed me a little just because of what they did to Sun. In the beginning of the show, I could see your point of her being a "one-note pain in the ass", but over the seasons she grew, gained some dimensions and I really liked her character. I feel like her behavior last night of "I just want to find my husband!" is the new "WAAAALLLTTTTT!!!!!!!!!" and I don't like it so they better not keep that shit going.

oh Zoe looks like sweaty Tina Fey you say? I hadn't noticed because I CANNOT get past that woman's lips. Seriously, has anyone noticed that she sticks them out constantly, like she is perpetually trying to blow a bubble? It was majorly distracting for me last night.

Also, DeadBessie couldn't agree more on Claire's hair. Jack found a notepad and pen in the Dharma stock? You can find a damn comb!

I'm ok with this just being an episode to start connecting the dots for the remaining few episodes, I just hope they don't drive Sun's character into the ground.

Posted by: Even Stevens at March 31, 2010 1:36 PM

Cindy - I'm wondering if we'll learn more about how exactly Ben was able to get Widmore thrown off the island. I assume that at one point either Eloise or Charles (or both of them) was in contact with Jacob, so I'm curious to learn how exactly Ben gained the upper hand. I think this is important because it will help us understand just how much Widmore knows about the island, it's past, and the purpose it serves in the universe. And it will give us some clues as to his intentions.

Posted by: Kolby at March 31, 2010 1:36 PM

Kolby, I thought about those kinds of technicalities too, like how my last name didn't officially change until about two days after I got married when I finally got a chance to visit the local Social Security office. I think for the sake of this piece of fiction is best to not get too tied up in the details.

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 1:38 PM

@Kolby

I taught ESL to Koreans for several years and my understanding is women always take their husband's last name. Sun is a Kwon and I thought she was the only one who saw her reflection in a mirror last night.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 1:39 PM

@kballs - I didn't get a rape vibe from Keamy. I got an "I enjoy making people uncomfortable" vibe (like that is so much better).

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 1:41 PM

@kballs - Also, what we find kind of naughty sexy when watching TV has nothing to do with real life.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 1:46 PM

Mrs. Julien - thanks for clearing that up. Jin saw his reflection in the restaurant cooler door, I think.

Posted by: Kolby at March 31, 2010 1:54 PM

Could sidewise time be an indication that we, the viewers, may have a conclusion that has it both ways. With island time all efforts fail, the beast is released and the world ceased to exist. With sideways time the island is already destroyed, sealing MIB fate, but life goes on. Rarely do the viewers get the happy and sad ending at the same time.

Posted by: halesonearth at March 31, 2010 1:55 PM

Yeah, I also didn't get any rape-y vibe at all. On the other hand, I'm not always observant of things like that. And I'll back up Mrs. Julien's last statement as well- teevee is different from real life.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 1:57 PM

I rather enjoyed last night's episode. IMO, it was much better than Kate's filler ep.

I'd totally watch a Keamy & Patchy show if Sawyer & Miles get to guest star as L.A. cops.

Like someone mentioned above, I'm really hoping to find out more about how Ben got Widmore thrown off the island. I can't wait to see what happens when they realize they're on the same side now.

And I loved MIB slyly telling Claire that she can basically kill Kate after he's done with her. Eeeevil.

Posted by: Meli Mel at March 31, 2010 1:57 PM

Another difference in the timelines -- assuming alterna-Sun is faithful to Jin, then whatever problem with his little swimmers that it took island magic to fix doesn't exist in the alterna-timeline.

Posted by: Drake at March 31, 2010 2:02 PM

Exactly, Mrs. Julien. I find Ben attractive in a weird way but in real life I couldn't run away fast enough. Dangerous, power-hungry men in real life are not fascinating or interesting--just creepy as hell. Keamy does nothing for me but I do enjoy watching his performance.

Also I highly doubt he was planning on any raping since he was there for the sole purpose of collecting his fee to off the guy who was banging his boss' daughter. If that's how the boss responds to consensual sex, I hate to think what he'd do to a rapist.

gem, I was also a little worried about Jack chatting with Sun at the end; I don't know if they filmed it as a contrast to her encounter with Locke, or if it really meant something more sinister, but I also found myself wondering if MIB could shapeshift into other non-dead people. I kinda doubt it though--it seems important somehow that he bring people in of their own free will without any tricks.

Posted by: DeadBessie at March 31, 2010 2:02 PM

So here's a theory re: the LA timeline and Desmond's presence on the island. So the MIB is imprisoned on the island to prevent his evil from spreading to the entire world, right? But when the Losties detonated the bomb in '77, it destroyed the prison, thereby (presumably) releasing the MIB. Now so far, with a few exceptions, the lives of the Losties in the LA timeline have been better: Sawyer's a good guy, Jack's got a kid that actually loves him, Sun and Jin are actually in love (though in dire circumstances), Ben showed some capacity for being something other than a douche, Locke's still with Peg Bundy, and Hugo's not cursed.

Now what if all these improvements are red herrings of a sort, something to make you believe that the island-less world is better? But in that world, the MIB is free. My theory is that the LA timeline is actually the worse one, because the MIB is running unchecked, and will eventually destroy everything good in that timeline because the Losties set him free (maybe their improved lives are a gift of some sort from him as an underhanded way of saying thanks). And perhaps Desmond, with his ability to safely time-travel, is there so he can somehow go back in time to prevent them from detonating the bomb, keeping the MIB from being released and the LA timeline from ever being created. I don't know, it has a lot of holes as theories go.

Also, re: the electromagnetic pockets, given that the MIB in his smoke form makes machine-like noises and displays characteristics of a nanite-based organism, maybe the electromagnetism is what keeps him imprisoned?

Posted by: JustBill at March 31, 2010 2:06 PM

@DeadBessie - Didn't Ilana say that MIB was trapped in Locke. Or did she just mean he was trapped on the island?

I found the reveal that Keamy was supposed to kill Jin a lot of fun since I had said to Mr. Julien earlier that $25,000 didn't seem like a lot of money to these kind of people, especially Mr. Paik. And then suddenly it all made sense.

I agree with our esteemed recapper on some of his comments about the writing of the show. A couple of times last night, I was able to guess exactly what was going to be said.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 2:11 PM

I like that a lot, halesonearth, as it goes along with my thinking. And since the writers have said that they like "The Dark Tower" a lot, I'm remembering how that series had alternate universes...and that when one dies in one it doesn't necessarily mean that you die in ALL the universes. Life goes on in another one, with differences both for the good and for the bad.

So I really like that theory. The alternate timeline is the result of whatever happens at the 'end' of the Island timeline.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 2:12 PM


Fulfill the Prophecy!!

Mikhail is the Djinn.

I had never noticed until I saw em with two eyes. Anybody else like crappy horror movies?

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 2:13 PM

I also found myself wondering if MIB could shapeshift into other non-dead people

He can't. When Jacob died MIB lost the ability to shapeshift into any form other than that of John Locke.

Posted by: Kolby at March 31, 2010 2:15 PM

Wouldn’t you watch a show about Keamy?

No. No, I powerfully would not. I find him intensely unpleasant to look at, and even more unpleasant to listen to. Sometimes creepy guys are cool and interesting. Keamy is not one of those.

I'm liking Smockey, and I can't begin to explain why. He's just so dang personable, and the whole "the world will end if he gets off the island" is, so far, pure conjecture. What his motivations and goals really are no one knows (or will likely ever know; WHY did he kill Eko, for God's sake?). Plus he has no use for Kate, and coincidentally, neither do I.

But I have to agree with figgy, in that a lot of this feels like filler and I'm getting a little bored with it. Now that we know the end is near, I'm impatient to actually get to it. The L. A. scenes seem increasingly unimportant, and the island scenes aren't moving quickly enough.

Posted by: Todd at March 31, 2010 2:15 PM

Not to mention Keamy is blatantly racist. Dangerous is one thing, but racist? I'd think that would be an instant turn-off. You gals are weird.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2010 2:20 PM

Darlton have been pretty insistent that Walt will be back, in some capacity.

Really? That seems that pointless fan wanking to me. Boo.

I would watch a Keamy show any day of the week, but I REALLY want to see a Mikhail show. Even though he was wasted in the alternate LA timeline, he was badass on the island. That slippery Soviet killed a bunch of HIS OWN people, died like forty times, and always popped back up again like one-eyed ninja! He threw a lemonade at Sayid! He blew up himself with a grenade that he was probably hiding behind his eyepatch! Seriously, all I need is thirty minutes of Mikhail’s Files once a week. Where he just sits on a stool and tells us about the time he killed a polar bear with a belt or firebombed a spaceship from a hot air ballon. Anything. Then he just disappear at the end until next week.

Posted by: jM at March 31, 2010 2:25 PM

But if you want to know the REAL reason I heart Keamy and his molasses-talking ways, it's because the actor played such an adoramable cuddly teddy bear of a character in the movie Mystery, Alaska (guilty pleasure movie!) and I appreciate a man with range. Also, DESMOND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 2:26 PM

The episode was rather meh and possibly my least favorite of the season, but it did have some good moments.

As mentioned already, Widmore's motivation and alignment seems the most important revelation from last night. Looking back at the recruiting process for the freighter and Widmore's intent to kill Ben, it is odd to find Ben and Widmore essentially on the same side. I think the lesson is that Widmore does have the best interests of the world at heart when it comes to the Island, but he doesn't trust anyone else to fulfill the job of steward, and Widmore is very much willing to sacrifice some lives for the greater good. It seems that how those Jacob-followers who were off the Island came to be so opposed to Widmore's side still requires some explanation, but given that we've learned that many different people have been acting in Jacob's name without Jacob's direct endorsement, I suppose it could make sense.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2010 2:28 PM

OK how's this for utter insanity:

Remember how the first thing we saw this season was Jack waking up in the plane?

Well, I don't think that's Jack waking up after Juliet detonated the bomb in 1977.

I think it'll be Jack 'waking up' after whatever happens at the end of the season. I think Jack waking up in the plane will be the last thing we see on the show.

This goes with my theory of how the alternate timeline is what happens when the Island-timeline is terminated--as in, it's completely negated at the end. I'm not sure how, but there you go.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 2:33 PM

I don't want to see Walt back, and I don't relate to the clamoring for it. Walt's in school. He got out of this mess. Let him rest.

Just because Walt has supernatural powers and he happened to be on Oceanic 815 does not automatically require that his fate needs to be intrinsically tied to the Island's fate. The LOST universe has given us a world big enough where strange things could go on (people talking to the dead, time-traveling experimentation on mice, etc.) such that they don't all need to play into the main story. To make an analogy, Flukeman was a very cool element of the X-Files universe, but he had absolutely nothing to do with the primary mythology of the show.

That said, if they're bringing Walt back, I'll wait and see what they do with it.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2010 2:33 PM

*the greater good*

Is it possible that Widmore KNEW, or suspected that Ben was following the MIB's orders, and not Jacob's? Was he following the MIB's orders? He still would be receiving his missives through Richard, right? And Richard isn't easily fooled (unless he's been trapped on a boat, is starving and thirsty and sees his dead wife). But Smokey's presence in the cabin did accomplish one thing. It planted the seed (very early on, bravo Smokey) of Daddy Issues and abandonment and jealousy in Ben. He was enraged when he believed Jacob had appeared to Locke and never him. . .a rage that, I believe, started him on a path that ended with him stabbing Jacob.

That doesn't answer our questions about Widmore. I do think power plays a large role. And none of the "good guys" are wholesale good (barring Hurley). Many of the Big Guys who we love have been involved in heinous acts for the *greater good.* I mean, honestly, how different is the Dharma holocaust from the Temple cleansing? Other that the fact that Jacob gave no one a chance to escape except for Ben. Everyone thinks they're a good guy, right? (except Steamy Keamy).

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 2:35 PM

Darth: Maybe Widmore wanted to kill Ben because Jacob or someone told him that Ben would end up killing Locke in the end, and Jacob really wanted Locke to be the protector of the Island? Or because Jacob knew that if MIB took Locke's form he would be very powerful and could manipulate people very easily?

So maybe Widmore is and always has been on Jacob's side. And MIB manipulated Ben into kicking Widmore off the Island, thus setting into motion the entire line that would end up with Ben killing Jacob.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 2:37 PM

Sorry my dear figalicious, but I'm giving that a big, fat blech!

I don't want the sideways timeline to win. I poop on the sideways timeline.

Posted by: Cindy at March 31, 2010 2:39 PM

Exactly, coveredinbees! I think the 'loophole' that MIB found to kill Jacob was a loooooong time in the works. MIB figured that Jacob didn't like or didn't want to communicate with Ben all that much. So he worked and worked at Ben from very early on.

Oh man I'm commenting a lot. But I'm so excited about all this. Something good DID come out of the episode!

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 2:40 PM

I don't think that's utter insanity, figgy, I think that's daaaaaaaamn right. Not sure what the alt timeline IS, but I'm increasingly convinced it's the timeline we'll be left with. Which would be a bad idea because, as someone pointed out, that would totally defeat all the character development we've been following over the years.

Oh, and the ONLY reason I don't think Dr. Juliet Burke will be paged to the OR is that it's a) too soon for her reveal-especially if she needs to go Dutch with Sawyer at some point b) she's on another show which, granted, is on ABC-but I'm also convinced that's why Julie Bowen wasn't in the Jack episode. One of my friends called Juliet as Sawyer's blind date, but I called Charlotte for some reason-only because my brain was convinced it couldn't be Juliet. Not yet. By the way, I cover the bottom portion of the the screen with my hand when the "guest starring" credits go by so I will be more surprised by which member of The Rep (hee, DC) shows up.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 2:41 PM

I'm kind of surprised nobody mentioned this, but I think Sawyer's assumed Hurley's role of voicing audience opinions/frustration in a fantastically bad-ass sarcastic way. When he asked MIB if he could scamper across the water to Hydra Island, and MIB answered with the "Wouldn't I have done that?" response, Sawyer's "That would be RIDICULOUS." was one of my favorite moments of the season thus far, next to his "I dont care if you're time traveling, dead, or the ghost of Christmas Past, just drink your whiskey."

Posted by: tripM at March 31, 2010 2:41 PM

I think my fav line from last night might have been: "Hey! Don't talk about. . .bacon"

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 2:43 PM

"I also don't really want Walt to be back. He's been gone forever, showed up ONCE since then, and I don't see how he could possibly be important at this point. Kid just had some vague mental powers, that's it. figgy

I'll second that opinion. If they bring back Walt for the Finalé, it would just be a cheap Deus ex Machina. Walt's been gone -- he should stay gone. If he shows up at all, it'll be a second mistake that only confirms Lindelof and Cuse's awareness of the mistake they made when they wrote him out of the show the first time. Let Rover take the nap.

Michael and Walt driving off in a motorboat was just one of many false cliff-hangers that turned out to be cliff jumpers. Best not to remind folks of your old missteps. Especially after this season.

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 2:56 PM

I stand by my belief that Candidate Kwon is Ji Yeon. When Jacob touches both Sun and Jin at their wedding, the way he touches them both at the same time, to me implies that it’s the baby. Besides, the baby is a miracle, right? Jin was shooting blanks, and even with, as Juliet said the sperm count being five times higher on the island, Jin would shoot five times more blanks. I think Jacob touched Sun and Jin at the same time, blessing them with a miracle baby and ensuring her (Ji Yeon) as a candidate.

Posted by: Scully at March 31, 2010 3:01 PM

Ok, so what if Ji Yeon is a candidate. Are they going to bring a TODDLER to Craphole Island? I think that's a dead end storyline, unless there's ANOTHER flash forward/time warp and we get grown up Charlie, Walt, Aaron and Ji Yeon. But seriously, guys. Six episodes to go. No way.

(sorry, I'm not certain why I am so cranky/vehement on this subject)

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 3:05 PM

You gals are weird.

Listen, I never said it was right, or logical, or even explicable.

It just seems like he'd be a wildcat in the sack. Hey, the loins want what the loins want.

I've thought Ji Yeon was the Kwon candidate from the beginning, not that it makes any sense other than the touching both of them. It seems more likely that Jacob himself was unsure of which of them would be the better candidate. Perhaps he touched them both because he wants them both to take over, and they do, and they're the Adam and Eve skeletons.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 3:09 PM

If the island can cure cancer, paralysis, and give you X-men type healing properties, I'm sure it can restore Jin's potency.

Ji Yeon is interesting if she was conceived on the island. She would have that in common with... Faraday, right? Claire gave birth on the island but was anyone else actually conceived there?

I'm not sure what it means. I doubt that Ji Yeon would be the chosen one, but there is probably something significant about the kids.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 3:10 PM

And Jacob for sure touched both Jin and Sun, right? But there is only one "Kwon" name on the wall? I thought touched = candidate. Wouldn't they both need to be listed if they were both touched?

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 3:12 PM

Wait! Charlie + Walt + Aaron + Ji Yeon = Widmore + [MIB + Jacob] + Eloise?? Or something?

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at March 31, 2010 3:12 PM

I try not to reference other sites, to maintain the illusion that this is the only one I ever frequent, but I believe that another site refers to the Kwons as "Two Bodies, One Seoul." I LOVE PUNS!

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 3:22 PM

mmm.... Desmond's package... I mean...
yeah, bunk, etc.

I didn't even recognize Mikhail, until his eye was shot out. He looked so much younger than in the Island-timeline.

Posted by: nancy at March 31, 2010 3:27 PM

It seems obvious that one or both timelines have to be destroyed. Leaving both unharmed would be a horrendous copout that would enrage every single viewer. I don't care if some of my questions aren't answered. Just end the series on one time thread please.

I think the last few episodes are going to be a bloodbath. I personally hope many people die, but not for vicious reasons. The less characters left alive, the less the writers will feel obligated to wrap up all their individual storylines. So most of the major players should die while Jack can stick around and take on the spirits of both Jacob and the MIB, therefore Embracing Human Nature Like No One Has Ever Done Before and getting the satisfaction/validation that he never got from his job/father/mother/love life.

However, the series has always relied on emotional reunions and slow-mo hugs (with violins!) to punctuate the end of the characters' "journeys," and the only feasible reunions left in the Island timeline are Jin and Sun (with Jin seeing his daughter for the first time), or Sawyer and Kate (lame). Every other major character is either possessed or completely alone. For the super-gushy ending I just know is coming, all we're left with is the LA timeline where Sun can survive and give birth as she convinces her father to let her be with Jin, Sayid can get his girl with the ready-made family, Sawyer and Kate can be together, Locke can do something awesome (have a kid; become bff's with Ben at the high school), etc., etc.

Also, I don't understand how the island is the cork keeping the MIB from getting loose since the island is destroyed in the LA timeline, yet the world is seemingly unaffected by his freedom. Is he destroyed with the island? Are the writers hiding the outside world from us for a big reveal of what a shitstorm most of the world is enduring with the MIB roaming around? Trying to figure out how this show will end is about as satisfying as whacking off for 7 hours. Sure there will be some moments of happiness and discovery, but most of the time I'm trying not to hurt myself as I wait for the climax, wondering just how bloody it will be.

Posted by: Kballs at March 31, 2010 3:39 PM

How much you wanna bet that the doctor who treats injured pregnant Sun is one Dr. Juliet Burke?

Agree completely, and Sawyer will be the cop investigating the gunshot. Then they can go dutch for coffee and shenanigans.

Posted by: Stew at March 31, 2010 3:40 PM

I don’t know Yossarian, in addition to curing cancer and paralysis the island does kill babies and mums too. I think I’m just a bit obsessed with the yin/ yang, white/black balance thing that I’m thinking Aaron and Ji Yeon (one conceived on island, one off, one born on island, one off) are the perfect replacements for Jacob and MIB. Maybe not immediate replacements, but sometime down the road…

Posted by: Scully at March 31, 2010 3:43 PM

"Seriously, all I need is thirty minutes of Mikhail’s Files once a week. Where he just sits on a stool and tells us about the time he killed a polar bear with a belt or firebombed a spaceship from a hot air ballon. Anything. Then he just disappear at the end until next week. jM

I'd buy a ticket to that

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 3:44 PM

Seriously, all I need is thirty minutes of Mikhail’s Files once a week. Where he just sits on a stool and tells us about the time he killed a polar bear with a belt or firebombed a spaceship from a hot air ballon.

Yes. Combine the good parts of MacGuyver with the sexy/creepy accent and the terrifying stillness and calm of Hannibal Lector.

we get grown up Charlie, Walt, Aaron and Ji Yeon.
covered, I have thought, since the time between Seasons 5 and 6, that the "Next Generation" would be all important, so I'm holding out some hope. At the same time, I feel your pain over the limited time left...

Plus, everyone keeps saying 6 episodes left. There are 6 episodes until the finale, which is essentially 2 episodes. So, really, we have 8. But still...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 3:46 PM

Wait! Charlie + Walt + Aaron + Ji Yeon = Widmore + [MIB + Jacob] + Eloise?? Or something?
Fun idea, AvB, as long as you aren't being literal. Have you ever read Good Omens by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett? Your idea made me think of a showdown toward the end of that book...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 3:51 PM

Also, I don't understand how the island is the cork keeping the MIB from getting loose since the island is destroyed in the LA timeline, yet the world is seemingly unaffected by his freedom. Is he destroyed with the island? Are the writers hiding the outside world from us for a big reveal of what a shitstorm most of the world is enduring with the MIB roaming around?

The Island isn't destroyed though, it is underwater. I imagine it is akin to burying the wine bottle in a place no one could reach (survive), making it impossible for MIB to leave.

Posted by: Stew at March 31, 2010 3:59 PM

Thank you Patty! I have been concerned over the episode math as well and am grateful for the clarification. Without commercials, I think there are about 6 hours left with 8 episodes @ about 45 minutes each without commercials.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 31, 2010 4:01 PM

I was thinking along the line of: destroying the island = destroying the electromagnetic magic fields = dead Smokey. In my head Smokey can’t exists without the special island properties.

Posted by: Scully at March 31, 2010 4:05 PM

Yeah I've always thought that the Island was sunk but not 'destroyed'. Everything looked pretty much intact, just...underwater. So my theory is that Smokey gets buried, electromagnetic field or whatever still intact. It's the only way to get rid of him forever, and the only way to keep anyone from abusing the powers of the Island.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 4:07 PM

Yossarian, Ji Yeon was conceived on the island. Otherwise she wouldn't have been Jin's baby. And speaking of that, that right there is a HUGE plot hole that better be answered by the end of the season. What happened to make women unable to carry babies to term on the island?!

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 4:09 PM


"So maybe Widmore is and always has been on Jacob's side. And MIB manipulated Ben into kicking Widmore off the Island, thus setting into motion the entire line that would end up with Ben killing Jacob. figgy

I think you're right.
Widmore was Ben's enemy, and Ben turned out to be the bad guy (from Jacob's perspective). enemy of my enemy yadda yadda

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 4:12 PM

Patty, if Ji Yeon is anything like Pepper from Good Omens, then I am fully on board. I want her in every scene of the last eight (yippeeee!! I was working with bad intel!) hours of Lost.

Yeah I've always thought that the Island was sunk but not 'destroyed'. Everything looked pretty much intact, just...underwater. So my theory is that Smokey gets buried, electromagnetic field or whatever still intact. It's the only way to get rid of him forever, and the only way to keep anyone from abusing the powers of the Island.

Especially if water is his weakness or whatever crap the writers were alluding to last night. Water as a nonsensical way to defeat the Big Bad. . .ohhhh I'm going to go watch Signs now. Swing away, Merrill, swing away.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 4:13 PM

What happened to make women unable to carry babies to term on the island?!
katy, I kind of think we are supposed to assume that happened when Taworet (the statue) crumbled. I suppose the better question is, why did the statue exist in the first place?

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 4:24 PM

Patty, but what about Horace's wife conceiving and giving birth on the island in 1977?

Posted by: katy at March 31, 2010 4:31 PM

Amending my own point above, I think they did reference a practice of ferrying pregnant Dharma women off the island before the third trimester so they could safely give birth on the mainland. I suppose that implies multiple children conceived on the island.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 4:33 PM

Hmm, katy, I had conveniently forgotten that, but as Yoss points out, they did have a procedure in place for birthing off-Island. As for conception... who knows...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at March 31, 2010 4:45 PM

I figure the baby issues were related to either "the Incident" or "the Purge." The birthing restrictions for the 70's Dharma folks seemed to be more related to medical staff, facilities, and equipment and not some mysterious condition that kills expectant moms before last trimester.

My sis lives on an island currently and had similar recommendations regarding her last month of pregnancy.

Posted by: The Seaward at March 31, 2010 4:49 PM

Not sure what the alt timeline IS, but I'm increasingly convinced it's the timeline we'll be left with. Which would be a bad idea because, as someone pointed out, that would totally defeat all the character development we've been following over the years. CiB

I second that if Bizarro World is the denouement, Lost ends in EPIC FAIL. For the reason you state: character development we invested in is negated, nothing we watched ever happened, Bobby never died, it was all a dream.

C&L are keen to not have the audience think of the two time streams as "alternate" realities -- the argument being that this makes one of them more valid than the other and they want both to be equal.

Unfortunately for them, the two can never be equal. As CiB states, we spent five seasons with one alternative and half of one season with the other. That's like when you are friends with a couple who is divorcing and you've known one of them since childhood and the other you've only know since the wedding. Who are you going to end up remaining friends with?

If the show ends with Bizzaro World, it'll be like somebody told me I have to be friends with new guy (who's kinda weird and I don't understand) and never talk to my life-long friend again (course I'm not that good of friends with my ole' buddy anymore as we've grown apart lately on account of some strange behavior).

I don't know that this is how they will end the show. So far, I still think the show will end with Jack and Flocke on the beach -- an ending of which I am not a big fan, but of which I approve much more than Bizzaro World becomes the remaining time stream.
I say again,

Bizarro World Ending = EPIC FAIL

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 4:52 PM

So if Smokey can't cross the water, that confirms that Widmore's people slaughtered what was left of the Ajira passengers, right? That sort of makes Widmore a homicidal monster, doesn't it? The "greater good" might have been ridding the Island of Ben and all of his influence before, but what harm could those Ajira passengers have done?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2010 4:52 PM

Widmore seems to have no qualms about killing people in the name of the greater good. Whatever it is that he believes about the island and the power it contains it easily trumps human life for him. Ben seems to be the same way. These guys are operating on a whole different level with much higher stakes. Offing some random passengers is like killing flies.

Now, it is still unclear just what they believe they are fighting for or protecting. It probably goes back to Jacob and MIB who have the same lack of regard for innocent lives that get in the way.

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 5:03 PM


For the record,

I think Charlie, Aaron, and Ji Yeon are not going to be major players at this point. With, what, five hours left, I would like to think that Desmond is the last piece on the chessboard and shit's actually going to start happening. Especially with the glacial pace they are using to introduce the pieces (we already agreed that the Desmond reveal was a surprise to absolutely no one, right?), they don't have time to bring anything else in -- do they?

God, I hope not.

miniature submarine filled with baby ninjas anyone?

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 5:10 PM

@k-balls http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg19826614.100-bad-guys-really-do-get-the-most-girls.html

Like the rest of you, I thought that this episode wasn't that surprising. But that is the exact reason why I liked it, it was cool to know everything for once, to know that Keamy will fuck with Jin and Sun lives, and that Desmond is the package...

Anyway, my theory is akin to figgy's, that the incident/atomic explosion just bring the losties back to the present, but on the same island (place and timeline). The alternate timeline being the end of the show.

After last week’s tread, I was casually navigate on wikipedia, and I stubble upon a couple of things that - well not blew but - firecracked my mind a bit. Anyway, I posted some kind of a review mixed with hysterical hypothesis on my blog that I thought I should translate some extracts for you. All this could very well has been found by someone else, but since I didn’t read it yet, I just wanted to have your opinion on this.

Remember “The Incident” opening scene. On a sidenote, I think that the ship we see is actually the Black Rock. The fact that the enslaved spanish spot the island during the storm right before crashing on it, doesn’t negates this hypothesis. They’re chained in the ship’s hold. They did not see the island and the statue until Ricardo’s friend looked out. Probably the guy up there whose role is to spot land did so way earlier. Then Jacob fucked up with the weather and what happened happened.

Talking about the boat, MIB says “You’re trying to prove me wrong. [...] They come, fight, they destroy, they corrupt. It always ends the same” which to Jacob retorts:”It only ends once. Anything that happens before that is just progress.” Which leads us to the episode Ab Æterno :

Jacob: Think of this wine as what you keep calling "hell." There are many other names for it as well, "malevolence," "evil," "darkness." And here it is, swirling around in this bottle unable to get out because if it did, it would spread. The cork is this island. And it's the only thing keeping the darkness where it belongs. That man who sent you to kill me believes that everyone is corruptible because it's in their very nature to sin. I bring people here to prove him wrong. And when they get here, their past doesn't matter.

The words Satan and الشيطان (ash-Shayṭān in Arabic) mean Adversary, the man in black is clearly the adversary (he was named that by Dan Carlson if I recall), but he is also the accuser (which is the meaning of הַשָׂטָן ha-satan in Hebraic). In the Book Of Job, ha-satan is the title, the function, of an angel who doesn’t do any evil, but rather points out evil tendencies and actions of mankind. He doesn’t have any power, but Yahweh let him test Job’s faith. Eventually, Job succeed, and is rewarded, whatever. Later - incidentally vis-à-vis de Lost - Yahweh appears as a fucking whirlwind. You know what looks like a whirlwind? A fucking smoke monster!
It could very well imply that what is happening in the show is the ultimate test, and Jacob may be God incarnate, in a bet against an adversary, a dialectical adversary.

Furthermore, the Talmud often mentions the satan, almost every time as an agent of God, with no independent existence. Sometimes the satan is conflated with various demons, such as Asmodai or Asmodeus; Asmodeus while being described as one of Hell's more powerful demons, is also the recurring antagonist in the Mike Carey’s Felix Castor novels. His true form is never seen as he is bound inside Castor's friend Rafe after a botched summoning/exorcism.
Anyway, some people think Asmodai is Abaddon, who is paradoxically a holy angel, servant, and messenger of God. But in occult and, generally, in non-canonical writings, he is evil. Abaddon is described as “the king of the bottomless pit and of a plague of locusts” (!!!!). Abbaton engaged in prayer and ultimately obtained the promise that any men who venerated him during their lifetime stood the chance of being saved.
At times there is even some sympathy for the Satan. Commenting on the Book of Job, rabbis say that his job was to "break the barrel but not spill any wine." Well I can’t really explain this coincidental image. But fuuuuuu, right?! And don’t even get me started on the meanings of Beelzebub!

I see it this way, If Abbadon or Asmodai is analogical to Smokey, it could mean that any men and women on the island will be saved if they stand by him. The trick is, since his character is not well defined (as some pointed it out earlier, he doesn’t even have a name), he could be both evil and good, and that goes for Jacob too. I tend to believe what Jacob says in the aforementioned transcript. But when Widmore -- what did he say? “Everyone we know and love, will simply cease to be” -- says it, I can’t help (probably because of the inherent evilness of the actor - I blame The OC) but finding this excuse suspicious. I kind of hope that team Jacob/Jack/Widmore are the goodies. Although I think that what the show is trying to do here is to show us how fucked is MIB. And that fuckery is the bidding of Jacob. I mean I really feel that his desire to go home is genuine, as was his desire to kill Jacob.

So maybe what come out of all this wikipedia-grab-and-paste-on-a-blank-sheet-for-my-mind-to-wrap-around-help-me-I’m-losing-my-sanity is that MIB is Satan, not Satan the devil as in, the maker of all evil, but the satan appearing in the Talmud, the Old Testament/Hebraic Bible and the Qu’ran, who kinda works for God. And in this case, MIB is assigned by Jacob to test mankind over and over, to accuse, and in no way do except when he is possessed by Smokey, and that is tiring him up, to the point that he wants out. Because maybe, as Ojo said last week, he is filled with evil, like a bottle filled with wine. he’s like a player who doesn’t want to play but is forced to, and can’t help but play his part. Now that Jacob is out, his goal is not to spread evil, but just get the fuck out of the sudden island. Whilst Jacob may or may not be God, but besides being the good guy, is also a bastard who doesn’t understand what his employee is going through and couldn’t care less for the people he brings on his Hellish domain.

I’m not really a believer, well I’m a born catholic, but I’m an atheist. Lost has from the beginning interested me in cinematographic and philosophical points of view. As a wannabe writer, more than once I find myself in awe at the density of the levels of lecture you get from this show, as amateur philosopher, if I can’t deny the approach of moral philosophy contained in religious scriptures, what I can’t get enough of is to be surprised and amazed by the parallels with metaphysical philosophy. But this thing around God and Satan and their true nature, this discussion we’re having since a couple of episodes about good and evil, is far more enjoyable that I thought it could be. Nothing to do with the rigorous thinking that comes with philosophy, nonetheless, absolutely fascinating. Fuck this show is brilliant.

Posted by: rg at March 31, 2010 5:25 PM

Wow sorry. Nah, fuck it.

Posted by: rg at March 31, 2010 5:36 PM

Morale of the story: fuck V.

Posted by: seth at March 31, 2010 5:40 PM

"Yossarian, Ji Yeon was conceived on the island. Otherwise she wouldn't have been Jin's baby. And speaking of that, that right there is a HUGE plot hole that better be answered by the end of the season. What happened to make women unable to carry babies to term on the island?!" katy

"What happened to make women unable to carry babies to term on the island?!
katy, I kind of think we are supposed to assume that happened when Taworet (the statue) crumbled. I suppose the better question is, why did the statue exist in the first place?
Patty O'Green

I don't think you should hold your breath on this one. Probably never going to get back to the infertility thing, just like they won't get back to the sickness and the injections -- unless you think the injections cure whatever is ailing Sayid and Claire (I don't). There are two (maybe three, if infertility is separate) plagues on the island -- 1. whatever got Sayid and Claire, 2. whatever the injections are for. Of course, maybe the Dharma Initiative developed a vaccine against metaphysical evil and it's all one thing, but I hope not -- cause that'd be lame. The injections could have been a vaccine against nano-bots in your bloodstream, Smokey infiltrating folks on a molecular level (that would be fecken cool and would explain Sayid's xform very nicely), but C&L have already said no to nanotech.

The destruction of Tawaret might account for the infertility, but that would suggest that the Women of America must have a secret Tawaret monument buried under the Statue of Liberty with all of Franklin's gold (I know, Nic Rage already stole Franklin's gold), or otherwise we would have an infertility plague in US as well. OTH, maybe Lady Liberty is Tawaret!

C&L are already trying to damage control explain that some mysteries will remain mysterious. Coincidently a nice cover for anything they might have forgot.


Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 5:44 PM

So if Smokey can't cross the water, that confirms that Widmore's people slaughtered what was left of the Ajira passengers, right? DarthCorleone

Dood -- MiB can cross the water, just not as a flying Smokey. You saw him standing there on Widmore's beach, right?

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 5:47 PM

Unacceptable, Pajiba. Unacceptable. This episode was not that great, but it was leaps and bounds above last week's. And Sun is pretty much the only good female character on the show now that Juliet's gone! With or without her buttons!

Especially without!

Posted by: coryo at March 31, 2010 5:53 PM

Koyote >> Yeah, my brain skipped there. It is pretty sketchy logic and deserving of Sawyer's mockery. Once on land on the other island, though, could he then change into smoke again?

Every time a character gets in one of those canoes now, I keep waiting for them to get into a gunfight with time-traveling Juliet and Sawyer.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2010 6:00 PM

Kosmic Koyote
I don't think at this point, after last night episode, you can say Claire and Sayid are afflicted by the same thing.

Claire is just severly distraught, living alone in the island for three years, and having to cope with an horrible hair do. Whilst Sayid seems to be an actual zoombie. He doesn't feel anything, and he rose from death. He either has been infected by the pool (we all know jacuzzis are not the cleanest places) or earlier by Smokey.

The two, according to me, are not the same

Posted by: rg at March 31, 2010 6:08 PM

Especially if water is his weakness or whatever crap the writers were alluding to last night. Water as a nonsensical way to defeat the Big Bad. . .ohhhh I'm going to go watch Signs now. Swing away, Merrill, swing away.coveredinbees

don't forget certain shoe fetishists

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 6:32 PM

Kosmic Koyote
I don't think at this point, after last night episode, you can say Claire and Sayid are afflicted by the same thing.
rg

I didn't

The Dogen did

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 6:33 PM

*Avoiding reading review and comments*

Can someone tell me where I can stream the episode online NOW? Stupid ABC website.

kthnxbye.

Posted by: Amanda at March 31, 2010 6:44 PM

Koyote >> Yeah, my brain skipped there. It is pretty sketchy logic and deserving of Sawyer's mockery. Once on land on the other island, though, could he then change into smoke again?
DarthCorleone

I think so - thus the sonic fence. OTH, maybe he can only smoke monster on Craphole Island itself. It's not so much that he can't smoke monster over the water, so much as it is that he can't smoke out anywhere but that one island?

not sure now -- hmmmmm

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at March 31, 2010 6:46 PM

sorry kosmic, I was just bullying in my own thoughts. But you're right, Dogen did said that, so I'm maybe wrong. That's the thing that frustrates me this season. Knowing that there only 16 episodes and not a comfy 25, and that you can't know for sure, even if it's the last season so that should be all straight from now on, that the writers made some characters bullshiting their way into conversation, like in the past seasons.

Posted by: rg at March 31, 2010 6:58 PM

Amanda, try Hulu.

Posted by: jM at March 31, 2010 7:06 PM

So if Smokey can't cross the water, that confirms that Widmore's people slaughtered what was left of the Ajira passengers, right? That sort of makes Widmore a homicidal monster, doesn't it? The "greater good" might have been ridding the Island of Ben and all of his influence before, but what harm could those Ajira passengers have done?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 31, 2010 4:52 PM


Smokey could have taken the boat over there just like he did this week, they have had the boats for a while.

Posted by: Alli at March 31, 2010 7:08 PM

AMANDA

It is available on Hulu, if that helps:

http://www.hulu.com/watch/138677/lost-the-package

Posted by: Yossarian at March 31, 2010 7:17 PM

And Sun is pretty much the only good female character on the show now that Juliet's gone! With or without her buttons!

Nah, I'm on Team Ilana. She's never been running around screaming one line over and over again ("Where's my husss-band?!?!?") or trying to get laid (except for seducing in the name of ass-kicking). Plus, girl means business with that rifle. I heart her.

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 8:10 PM

Yossarian,

Thank you so much!

*scurries off to watch*

Posted by: Amanda at March 31, 2010 8:40 PM

Except that Ilana suffers from an increasingly common condition known as Newcharacterthatnobodycaresaboutitis.

Posted by: coryo at March 31, 2010 8:49 PM

I actually love Ilana and wish she had been introduced a lot earlier. She seems like a tough, smart chick with a mission and doesn't deal in bullshit. Let's face, Lost isn't exactly the best at doing female characters (now that I think about it, I don't think I really LIKE any of the female protagonists aside from Juliet), and Ilana is like a breath of fresh air. It's a shame she wasn't around earlier.

Posted by: figgy at March 31, 2010 10:13 PM

Yeah-frazzled geophysicist? I don't care. But Ilana has been on for long enough to earn my good will. And that's hard to earn, PEOPLE! (I liked Juliet and then she had the bad taste to fall for Dr. Douchebar but then she had the good taste to fall for Sawyer. I HATED the cat fight vibe between her and Kate throughout. So. . .I'm conflicted)

Posted by: coveredinbees at March 31, 2010 11:50 PM

Keamy's pal is not just some nameless Arab henchman. His name is Omar (not to be confused with Sayid's brother Omer). He was on the Season 4 freighter as well. Just pointing things out.

Not the greatest episode, the package being Desmond was no surprise at all, but good to see him back.

And I firmly dislike that Zoe woman.

Posted by: Adere at April 1, 2010 2:54 AM

I think the ending was going to be Jack and Locke on the beach, but enough internet people thought of it and said it was lame for the alternate timeline to be crammed down our eyes.

Posted by: Stew at April 1, 2010 8:36 AM

There are two (maybe three, if infertility is separate) plagues on the island -- 1. whatever got Sayid and Claire, 2. whatever the injections are for. Of course, maybe the Dharma Initiative developed a vaccine against metaphysical evil and it's all one thing, but I hope not -- cause that'd be lame.

I've always figured that the Incident caused the fertility issues on the island, since prior to that women were able to carry to term (only having to leave the island to give birth). What's afflicting Sayid and Claire is not a sickness - they've been claimed. And I think we can assume, from what Sayid was saying to MIB on Tuesday night, that he's lost his soul. He is, quite literally, a shell of a man.

There are a few questions that will probably never be answered directly, but for which we've been provided enough clues to come to our own conclusions.

Posted by: Kolby at April 1, 2010 8:46 AM

Am I the only one who think's it's obvious that Jack will "replace" Jacob on the island? It seems too obvious, but I think that may just be the point?

Posted by: Colin at April 1, 2010 9:02 AM

Maybe Jacob and MIB were born on the island, and because of them, some kind of curse or ban was set in motion. It seems like a place of exile, hard to find and people have to be brought there. Well, except for our boy Des.

Posted by: Cindy at April 1, 2010 10:06 AM

iccck, keamy.. gives me the heebygeebiez..shudderz! not one redeeming quality, just a 2 legged shark.
oh, did sun tell jin in english she was preg or korean, i forget?

i was wrong.. it was dez... ah well...i do think mom-faraday will make one last appearance though, she did seem somewhat integral to the overall story of the island....

@logar... nerdherd!! oh, that's great :)LOL

and speaking of zoefey..
i also get the distinct impression(don't know if it's the glasses and/or CV) of Velma.. ala scooby doo... bytheby the nerdherd reminds me of 'the gang' w/o the stoopid goodlooks or scoobsnackz :)
they all look to be about 12yrs old.. ZOINKZ!


you'd think widmore would've brought a larger, more badass contingent of hired guns...like the ones left guarding the sub.

the EM must somehow tether smocke to the island..and that must be how widmore intends to deal w/him.

don't know that widmore's intent is to sink the island but......
...in sinking the island... w/smocke tethered to it........
smocke couldn't literally get to anyone alive...to run his game and get him released.

widmore could be lying to further his agenda..
in the 'everyone we know/love will cease to exist' speech... then showing jin his daughter.. other than sun, what else would motivate jin as a recruit?

same MO as smocke, telling all his recruits the 'very thing' they wanted to hear..

and i still don't get the 'big hairy deal' w/letting smocke off the island.. so, whaz one more evil manipulating bastardly swinging dick roaming the world?
there will always be tests here.. that's just the nature of the environment, and the only way freewill can function if it exists at all - but all ultimately leads back to the singularity (god if you will).

and i hav no ideas as to how the time-lines will cancel or converge.....

sawyer better live though.. would piss me off if he didn't..

however this ends up.... i think it would've been an interesting story, hoodoo of smoke monsters and time travel aside..

Posted by: kikz at April 1, 2010 12:00 PM

Hi, I don't post much here but I enjoy reading all the theories as much as the episode recap!
Well I also think Widmore will use Desmond's powers for time travelling and surviving-freaking-electromagnetic-explosions (like the Swan Station) to sink the island.

About the alt-timeline I believe one of the recurring themes in LOST has been Karma (flame-on!).
Call it bullshit if you want but I seriously believe the alt-timeline are the results of the actions they have done (including the unaired episodes) in the Island. I consider this is why some characters get happy endings and some of them stay the same.

And while the MIB as been more or less confirmed as EVIL, I think Jacob's just a regular man(perhaps previous candidate?) who got the job of guarding MIB and (while inherently good and kinda magical) will do whatever it takes to protect the Island-barrier-prison.

(I love pajiba)

Posted by: Francisco at April 1, 2010 11:11 PM

I just don't get it anymore.

Lost confuses me to the point that I think only hardcore viewers can understand what it's all about. I mean I don't have the time to analyse the meaning of every little thing in the show, but I used to enjoy watching it during the first seasons, when it wasn't so complicated. Today there's so many things to remember to get the meaning of the show that I find it painful to understand, and to watch.
I still be there for the final episode, but I lost track (as an average viewer) of all the things I wanted to know, and that I still don't.

I know many of you will hate what I'm saying just based on the fact that I don't enjoy "Lost" anymore; but really, I think the show is heading for an ending that will be a huge disappointment (to me anyway).
Cause if you get rid of all the litte subplots and the so-called "meaningful details" (that everybody like to think, search for and write about), you discover that the story is quite simple: a struggle between good an evil, each force calling for the help of some "gifted people" to take command and win the battle. That's it, and I'm sorry to be the one to bring the news, but everything else won't matter for those who are looking for something deeper. It's gonna be an old classic godish-tale.

Posted by: Billy Bob at April 4, 2010 7:59 PM

MIND BULLLETS!!

MIB planned long in advance to have John Locke die, so that he could use his body to trick someone into killing Jacob.

He set it up so Locke would die, which happened off Island.

So who was it that insisted on John's body going back to the Island?

ELOISE HAWKING!!!

So how was she involved? I know you folks thought maybe she would be The Package, or somehow involved, as she was the one with the coordinates. But HUH?!?

Posted by: Patty O'Green at April 6, 2010 2:28 PM

It's Whitmore....

Posted by: Cassie at April 6, 2010 4:52 PM

Patty, Christian Shephard (who I assume is MIB) told Locke to find Eloise in LA in order to come back (and he then told Ben right before he Ben killed him). Eloise said they had to recreate the original flight as closely as possible, hence the original six all going, and Locke's body along with something of Christian's. Interesting.

I want to know more of her backstory, as Lostpedia tells us she has no birth certificate... was she born on the island, or somewhere else? What is her connection / relationship with Jacob? When Richard wants to save lil Ben there was a brief exchange where someone says he should ask Ellie first as she may not approve, and Richard says he doesn't take orders from her (implying Jacob is his master). How did she get the gig at the Lamppost, essentially working for DHARMA? I thought she was with the military in 1954... did she later join ranks with them? Why could she see the future for so long, but then lost that ability around the time she sent the Losties back to the island? Too many questions around that lady...

PS, Cassie: If you're referring to spelling, it is Widmore. Check Lostpedia.

Posted by: The Other Julie at April 7, 2010 1:12 PM


















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