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Crossroads

By Daniel Carlson | Posted Under Lost Recaps | Comments (143)



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“The Last Recruit” was the third straight episode of “Lost” to keep adding fuel to the fire, which just goes to show you how much I disliked the episode a few weeks back that was all about Jin and Sun. (Thankfully, their big moment this week wasn’t overdone, though I could’ve really gotten used to Sun living life as a mute.) These past few seasons, the show’s inhabited a gray area between miniseries and episodic drama, with story lines too tightly condensed for regular series but spread over too many episodes to be classified a telefilm. Basically, the show’s a really solidly paced action/sci-fi hybrid, and one of the more entertaining rides on TV. As it gradually draws to a close, things are only moving faster.

The Los Angeles Timeline
After weaving in and out of each other for weeks, the L.A. timeline strands are beginning to pull together, so this episode’s action jumped quickly from character to character.

Locke is being carted off to the ER in the back of an ambulance while Ben tries to give info to the EMT (played by actor-comedian Skyler Stone, of dubious credits), but he doesn’t even know Locke’s first name. Locke starts to regain consciousness and spits out his name and talks about how he was going to marry Helen, emphasis on the past tense. When they get to the hospital, another ambulance arrives bearing Sun, freshly wounded from Jin’s tussle with Mikhail, and she gets wheeled down the hall next to Locke. Seeing the wounded man, she exclaims to Jin, “That’s him!”

Later, Sawyer is questioning Kate at the police station, acting laid back and cool but still different enough to be a believably altered version of the Sawyer we know and love. (Josh Holloway does good work.) Kate asks why he didn’t arrest her when he saw she was on the run at LAX, and though Sawyer plays coy, she makes a huge but correct leap and assumes he let her go so no one would know he’d gone to Sydney. Miles calls him over to fill him in on the killings at Keamy’s place and show him remarkably clear ATM security footage of a “jabroni” fleeing the scene: Sure enough, it’s Sayid. So it’s only a matter of time before those story lines fold in on each other, but it feels organic, or at least pleasingly so within the confines of knowing it’s an alternate timeline of mysterious origin.

Moving across town, Claire heads to a large office building to visit her adoption agency (on the 15th floor, of course) when Desmond shows up. Desmond’s now extremely mission-oriented about showing the Oceanic 815 people a glimpse of their other lives, but this tends to make him a bit creepy and overbearing, and his personal line of questions about Claire’s plans for her son as they ride the escalator and elevator rightly trigger her alarms. He gives her a hard sell about needing an attorney, and when she tells him she can’t afford one, he says he was on his way to see one in that building and would be happy to set it up. Pestered into agreeing, Claire heads with Desmond down the hall away from the adoption agency and into a law firm where they’re greeted by the non-blown-up Ilana. Ilana’s last name, it turns out, is Verdansky, and as introductions are made, Ilana shows a start of recognition at Claire, explaining only that “we’ve been looking for you.”

Meanwhile, Sayid is packing his stuff and getting ready to bail when Nadia comes in. He tells her only that he took care of her problem and that he has to leave forever, and that’s when the doorbell rings. It’s Miles, looking for Sayid (they tracked him down really fast), so Sayid tries to slip out the back but is caught there by Sawyer, who trips him, cuffs him, and arrests him.

The action shifts to Jack, who’s hanging out with his son, David, and arrives at the giant building Claire came to earlier. He gets a call from David’s mother (still unnamed), then he and the boy head upstairs to hear the reading of Christian’s will. They get to the law firm and meet Ilana, which is when the tumblers line up. She even asks if they believe in fate as she walks them back to a conference room where Claire is waiting. Jack recognizes her name from the will and asks how she knew his father, and she sheepishly says, “He was my father, too.” Jack’s knocked back but isn’t given time to deal with the news: His cell phone rings with a call from the hospital about an emergency surgery, so he tells Ilana they need to reschedule the reading.

Over at the hospital, Sun wakes up to find Jin passed out in a chair next to her bed but still holding her hand. She rouses him, and he tells her the good news: She’s going to survive the shooting, and their baby is just fine, too. “It’s over and we’re all going to be okay,” he says. This timeline really is a fantasy construction. Meanwhile, Jack and David arrive, and they’re pretty cute in their matching suits and bits of banter. Jack scrubs in for surgery on a man he’s told was already a paraplegic before his accident, and he then heads into the operating room. Before he cuts, though, he glances at the mirror below the table to see that the patient is John Locke, and he pauses, confused. “I think I know this guy,” he says to the nurses.

The Island Timeline
The action on the island opens right back in the moment with Jack’s gang meeting up with the Man in Black’s crew in a truce engineered by Hurley. MIB and Jack head off to chat, where MIB reveals in plain language what we already knew through solid hypothesis: that he was the one pretending to be Christian Shepard shortly after the Oceanic crash. He says he did it to help Jack’s people find water, and goes on to say that Jack and the rest are now no longer trapped on the island as they were when Jacob was on it. MIB tells Jack that Locke wasn’t a believer, “he was a sucker” who thought he was on the island for some special reason that turned out to be a lie. As they walk back to camp, MIB calls out Claire for tracking and spying on them, though she says she was only doing it because Jack’s her brother. He leaves them to catch up, and though Jack expresses doubts about following Fake Locke, Claire says it was decided as soon as Jack listened to him.

Back at camp, Sawyer fills Hurley in on his plan to take their friends and meet up with Widmore to catch a ride home on the sub, but he doesn’t want to include Sayid or Claire. Hurley gets in his requisite Star Wars reference, saying Sayid can be rescued from the dark side like Anakin. After MIB and Jack return, Zoe strolls into camp and asks to speak with their leader. The Man in Black acts ignorant of her claims to have stolen something that belongs to them, so Zoe radios her people and has them launch a missile or bomb or mortar round — something just generally wicked dangerous — and land nearby. The Man in Black is unmoved by the explosion or the display of power. (I guess it was launched from Hydra, which is within the space-time warp radius of the island. Otherwise Zoe’d have to call in a bombing and wait a while.) She gives the Man in Black a walkie to use when he wants to arrange a meet to pick up Desmond, but as soon as she’s gone, he smashes it and says, “Well, here we go.” This is pretty much the beginning of the end.

From here, things get even more frantic as the group splinters and reforms several times based on changing plans. MIB tells everyone to get ready for a trip to Hydra Island, and he tasks Sawyer, who enlists Kate’s help, to run ahead and pick up the sailboat and meet them at the shoreline to take them all to Hydra. (It’s weird to remember that the sailboat is still around. It’s the same one that brought Desmond to the island eons ago.) Sawyer agrees but manages to fill Jack in on his planned double-cross before going, saying that Jack should take Hurley, Sun, and Frank and break off from the MIB’s group to meet Sawyer and Kate for their escape. Before everyone leaves, the Man in Black instructs Sayid to head to the well and kill Desmond, saying it’s the only way to get what he asked for.

When Sayid makes it to the well — which is shallower than I’d imagined — he finds a wounded but basically okay Desmond sitting in a shallow layer of mud and water. He raises his gun to fire, but Desmond wants to know why he’s doing it in the first place. When Sayid says it’s to get his dead love back, Desmond asks, “What will you tell her?” Sayid grows lost in thought and doesn’t fire.

Meanwhile, Sawyer and Kate arrive at the part of the island where MIB said the boat was waiting to find it moored not far off shore. “You ready to get wet?” Sawyer asked her, which made it sound like they’d signed up for a housesitting gig. Sawyer repeats his whole plan to her, but though Kate’s reluctant to leave Claire behind, Sawyer says it has to be done, and they start swimming for the boat.

As the rest of MIB’s people hike through the jungle, Jack learns that Claire stayed with the Fake Locke because he’s the only one who didn’t abandon her. The Man in Black tries to ask Sun about Sayid, but she pissily writes a note blaming him for her lack of voice, for which he denies responsibility. He breaks away from the group to find Sayid, at which point Jack plucks Hurley, Frank, and Sun out of line and quickly leads them off into the jungle to rendezvous with Sawyer. He’s working off a map Sawyer gave him, and which Sawyer’d received from MIB before the mission. Claire, who had hung back to spy, sees everything and starts tracking them.

The Man in Black finds Sayid in the jungle, and Sayid says he did his job and killed Desmond, though MIB isn’t so sure he’s telling the truth. Meanwhile, Jack’s gang makes it to the dock and starts to board the boat when Claire shows up, rifle raised, and wants to know what’s happening. Kate steps up and gives her the spiel about bringing her back to Aaron, and the sentimental approach works: Kate persuades Claire that the Man in Black isn’t going to help her, so she joins the small band of castaways. “He finds out we’re gone, he’s gonna be mad,” Claire says. She might be right.

As they sail, Jack tells Sawyer that the whole thing feels wrong. He says that when he left the first time, it felt like a piece of himself was missing, and he’s not sure the island is done with them yet. “If that thing wants us to leave,” Jack hypothesizes, “maybe he’s afraid of what happens when he stay.” Smart play, and an interesting way to try and out-chess the Man in Black. However, Sawyer’s had his lifetime fill of prophecy talk and isn’t about to let Jack ruin his chance of escape, so he threatens to toss Jack overboard right there. Jack calls his bluff, apologizes again (and sincerely) for Juliet, then steps off into the water and begins swimming back to the island. Kate, at the wheel of the ship, shouts after him, but Sawyer tells her to hold course for Hydra. “We’re done going back,” he tells her.

Jack reaches the beach to find the Man in Black and his generically dressed Others waiting in an ominous line. “Sawyer took my boat, didn’t he?” the Man in Black asks with a total lack of surprise. Jack, out of breath, just nods and says yes. Over on Hydra, Sawyer’s crew lands as Zoe and her people come out once more with weapons at the ready. (Widmore’s people are a trigger-happy bunch.) Trailing behind is Jin, who spots Sun and runs to her. This is their big reunion, the first time they’ve seen each other since the freighter explosion at the end of the fourth season, so it feels good to let them have their moment. But a lot of the goodwill I was supposed to be feeling was used up in the endless shuffling and Serendipity-style plotting that kept them just out of reach for this long. When they ran to each other, I felt mainly a sense of relief that we could put that plot to bed and focus on the interesting ones.

After talking on the walkie, Zoe says Sawyer’s deal is off, then rounds up his gang and puts them on their knees in the sand. She also orders another air strike on the main island, where Jack and MIB are still sizing each other up. Jack hears the incoming round in time to shout to the others to duck, and the explosion knocks him down the beach and dulls his hearing for a bit. The Man in Black picks Jack up and runs into the jungle with him, saving his life. Setting him down to check him out, the Man in Black says “You’re with me now.”

And that’s that. All told, a solid, plot-driven episode that did a lot to line up the pieces in the respective timelines for the coming showdowns and revelations. It’s also worth noting again that, though this is the first time the Man in Black has confirmed that he took the form of Christian, that’s something we knew a while back when his powers began to make themselves known. It’s the way the human brain can look at two 180-degree arcs with their ends placed near each other and see a complete circle, even though the shape technically doesn’t exist there; shows like “Lost” give you the details and let you fill in the gaps with what you know to be true. That’s probably the way many other mysteries on the show will play out, so it’s possible to get answers without directly getting them, you know?

As for the other stuff, I like how the L.A. timeline is slowly bringing all the characters together. Desmond’s mission there is related to that, but it’s happening on its own, and I’m curious to see what happens to those people and why. The main timeline’s action was also interesting. The interplay between Jack and Locke has always been at the heart of the show, and seeing the plot in a sense come back to that is rewarding. I have no idea if the series will require one of the candidates to stay on the island to keep the Man in Black in his place, but I can think of worse endings for Jack than to become the eternal shepherd and healer of that weird part of the world.

One final programming note: There’s no “Lost” next week, meaning the next new episode (titled “The Candidate,” so let that one roll around a bit) will air Tuesday, May 4. After that, new installments air May 11 and 18, with the two-hour finale on Sunday, May 23. This is the home stretch.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a member of the Houston Film Critics Society, as well as a TV blogger for the Houston Press. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

OH! I just had a revelation (which everybody else probably had at the time): I was wondering if Jack was going to screw up Locke's spine and kill him like he did the girl he killed in the original timeline. Just now, I realized, he probably will start having the flashes while he's doing the surgery and cut the epidural sac accidentally. Maybe. I think. Maybe the only way for Smockey to get off the Island is if alternate timeline Locke is still alive. Or, it's completely the opposite; Jack doesn't kill him, and the only way for Smockey to get off the island is if alterna-Locke dies.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 11:43 AM

Great recap as always, Dan.

I completely agree with you about the answers and the way they're coming. So many of us have spent the better part of six seasons picking this show apart and theorizing about every little detail and questions, is it any wonder that we may have had many of the answers all along?

I love Jack this season. I love that he's asking questions and stepping back far enough to see the big picture and figure some of this shit out.

I have a very strong feeling that we're going to meet David's mother before the end, and I think I know who it is.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 11:45 AM

Great recap for a great episode. I remember seeing the scoreboard for upcoming episodes in DarkUFO and being mildly dissapointed that this one was going to be mediocre, but it turned out to be pretty good.
I just hope that in the following two episodes the writers manage to make some sense of the AU and Desmond, because, as interesting as those plotlines are, they just add more questions to the pile of unresolved one we still have. By the way, I'm not totally buying MiB's role as Christian, I know it makes sense, but I still feel that there are some minor plotholes specially regarding his appearances off-island.

Posted by: Radlum at April 21, 2010 11:47 AM

Are you talking about the girl he had to count to five over before continuing with the surgery, AvB? She lived, and she fully recovered after the surgery.

Also, I keep reading all this speculation about which two of our Losties will end up as Adam and Eve. This isn't even possible, is it? At the point in time in which the Island is currently located (2007), haven't Adam and Eve already been dead for a loooong time? And haven't Darlton told us there'll be no more time travel? So Adam and Ever are other people, and maybe we haven't met them yet.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 11:48 AM

Did anyone else notice when the round went off near Smocke & Co. after Sawyer et al had landed on Hydra, and Jack was knocked to the ground, he had that moment of shell-shocked deafness and fuzzy vision that he had post-crash in the beginning. Your full circle analogy is quite accurate.

Oh, MY GOD!! "Are you ready to get wet?" WTF???? I had to change my undies right then and there.... Once again, Sawyer has the best lines...Sayid is a zombie, Claire's drinking Locke's Kool-Aid.....vaguely hitting on Kate in the Police station. Crap, Sawyer, I wish I could quit you.

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 21, 2010 11:53 AM

And I had the same thought about Jack's surgery on Locke....

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 21, 2010 11:54 AM

When they ran to each other, I felt mainly a sense of relief that we could put that plot to bed and focus on the interesting ones.

This happened right after the order was given to deactivate the sonic fence. When Sun and Jin started running to each other, was anyone else expecting someone to shout out, "WAIT! The fence is still active!" followed by a tragic brain-melting conclusion? I would have found this a suitable ending to this two-year long plot thread.

Posted by: Mez at April 21, 2010 11:58 AM

But did he recognize him from the plane or from the Island? I'm leaning toward the plane, because it seems like throughout the episode they were teasing us with opportunities for Jack to experience bleed-through, only for it to be unsuccessful. Like, when he saw Claire in Ilana's office, for instance, I thought maybe he'd recognize her, but he didn't. I don't know, but I think he either needs to have a near-death experience or make contact with his one tru wuv to flash to the island. Maybe he'll have a run-in with Kate? Because she obviously ain't Sawyer's constant (not after that scene in the police station).

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 12:00 PM

The surgical tech said the dural sac was a mess, so I don't see how he can screw up Locke any further. Jack has to make him walk... they've mentioned Locke walking down the aisle, Jack said nothing is irreversible, and in the original timeline Jack made his ex-wife walk. If his ex was the same in the alt timeline I think we would have seen her by now.
The preview last week included Sayid shooting, where the hell was that.

Posted by: Stew at April 21, 2010 12:02 PM

Are you talking about the girl he had to count to five over before continuing with the surgery, AvB? She lived, and she fully recovered after the surgery.

D'oh! I thought that was the one who he wound up marrying... Did I split her into two separate characters? Didn't he kill *somebody* on the operating table? I guess that was prior to that then? A woman who was pregnant, which he didn't know until after that?

I have a very strong feeling that we're going to meet David's mother before the end, and I think I know who it is.

OooooOOooooOOOhhh. Hmmmm.... Claire's mom? Wouldn't that be AWESOME?!

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 12:09 PM

you left out the part where sun is actually freaking out when she sees locke on the gurney at the beginning. she doesn't just say, 'it's him' she said 'no!' repeatedly, like she was totally tweaked. what the hell was that about?

loved the dialogue between sawyer & kate-very clever for her to put two and two together.
i just adore jack's son, david. he's so perfectly cast. what a cutie. question tho, if they were there to have the will read, then how would jack have known that claire's name was mentioned in it? i'm not that familiar with will reading procedure...do they look at it before the official reading?

what did sun's note read last night exactly? i couldn't catch it.

also-what the fuck? no lost next week? seriously!? why?

Posted by: martin at April 21, 2010 12:10 PM

Also, I know we're focusing on the "True Love as Constant" idea, but I think Jack and Locke are each other's constant.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 12:11 PM

Also, I know we're focusing on the "True Love as Constant" idea, but I think Jack and Locke are each other's constant.

Right, but doesn't he need to have a near-death experience to trigger the flashes? Would just seeing Locke's face cause Jack to flash to his island memories?

And the doctor who lost a pregnant woman on the operating table was Juliet, over in New Otherton.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 12:14 PM

No, I'm thinking back to like season 2 or so with the Jack losing a patient thing. His father was involved somehow, just like yelling at him or something. Am I totally making this up?

And Hurley and Libby just kissed to trigger them (the flashes), they didn't have any near-death thing. I'd imagine having one's hands inside another person's body would do it.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 12:24 PM

...and I know that Hurley and Libby have the true love thing INSTEAD OF the near-death thing; I'm saying I don't think it necessarily needs to be one of those two events exclusively. Again, with this inarticulateness, brain? Don't make me stab you with a Q-Tip.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 12:26 PM

Mez, that is *exactly* what I was thinking and breathed a sigh of relief when they weren't killed simultaneously upon reuniting. Although a part of me would have thought that was pretty crafty of Darlton et al. Or a way to find out which Kwon is a candidate? But really, glad that didn't happen.

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 12:26 PM

Two different surgeries...
Ripping the dural sac and having the nerves spill out like angel hair pasta was with Jack's father in the operating room.
His ex's surgery was later. She was in a car crash and was paralyzed. She told Jack she would never dance at her wedding, but Jack promised her she would. There was that oh-shit moment in the OR where he said "I'm gonna fix you" and then realized those words just came out of his mouth. Jack's dad wasn't there though, probably drinking.

Posted by: Stew at April 21, 2010 12:28 PM

Jack remembers Locke from the conversation they had after the sideways plane landed - when Christian's coffin was lost.

I've been thinking that each character has/had a certain destiny, and Locke's may be to die. Now of course, Desmond trying to kill Locke means that he believes if Locke is dead in the sideways, MIB can't get off the island. Whatever the rules are about that, I don't know.

I call total and utter bullshit on the depth of the well this week. No way is it the same as last week, when MIB threw the torch down to show Des how deep it was. Now this week, Sayid can look right down and have a conversation with Desmond? I think not.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 12:37 PM

I agree, AvB - I don't think there has to be a near death experience for the memories.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 12:41 PM

Agreed on the well. Supposedly it was dug by ancient people trying to find answers. So they dug 20 feet and stopped? I don't buy it.

Am I the only one who groans like a dejected Homer Simpson each week when the episode ends? Lost episodes must never come to an end!

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 12:42 PM

I like how Jack is standing up for what Locke believed in now. It's also interesting, because Jack has taken over as Locke in a way, believing that they belong there and have destinies - even as MIB is poking fun at Locke's beliefs.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 12:43 PM

I'm also convinced that the only relevant Kwon is Ji Yeon. But her own mother seems to have forgotten she exists!

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 12:46 PM

AHA! Per Lostpedia: "In July of 2004, Jack was called into surgery by one of the operating nurses, who had observed his intoxicated father mistakenly cut the hepatic artery of a patient. Taking over his father's role as surgeon-of-record, Jack attempted to rectify the error; however, despite resealing the woman's artery, her rapid blood loss and resulting cardiac arrest caused her death. After the surgery, a confrontation ensued between the two Shephards,..."

*Phew*. I thought I really was making that up. I was just mixing up multiple characters again.

Oh, and totally agreed about that well. That was a little ridic. Or, you know, a lot.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 12:46 PM

The best part of this episode was when Sawyer called the pilot "Chesty"... classic.

Posted by: logar at April 21, 2010 12:48 PM

Also, "Jack's discovery of the woman's pregnancy at the time of the surgery". So I wasn't making that part up either. Yay!

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 12:48 PM

Anyone else think that Juliet is Jack's ex-wife in the alternate LA timeline? His son kinda even looks like her, no?

Posted by: amberlark at April 21, 2010 12:51 PM

I have a feeling that Jacob never really leaves the island. When he appears off-island to candidates and minions, he is actually projecting himself. He does this with the lighthouse. So the lighthouse is not just a spy mechanism. It's also some sort of electomagnetic holographic projection device.

Likewise, Smokey can also use the lighthouse to project himself off-island. That's perhaps how Smokey was able to manifest himself as Christian Shepard in the lobby of Jack's medical office.

Posted by: Ojo Verde at April 21, 2010 12:52 PM

I am going to be VERY upset if Sawyer leaving Miles on the main island means that something bad happens to Miles. I really like his non-douchy self this season...

Posted by: chester at April 21, 2010 12:53 PM

I'm with DC- the ALT is getting better and better. I've always been intrigued, but since Desmond has been on the scene, it's been the most interesting part of the show. The Island stuff, as fast-paced as it has been, seems to be treading water lately- pieces are moving into place, but no huge mysteries are being answered.

Like DC said, the whole Christian/MIB reveal was pretty much in line with what I've been assuming anyway. The "whispers" reveal, while kind of out of left field, wasn't a mystery that I found myself thinking about outside of the 2nd season.

Posted by: logar at April 21, 2010 12:54 PM

few other points i forgot to mention...when sun wrote the note to locke blaming him for making her lose her ability to speak english, he truly seemed confused and annoyed. as if he'd have owned up to it, if he'd actually been responsible. now, 'locke' was the one who chased her into the tree, but what if that wasn't 'locke'. maybe jacob can take form of other people too? it would explain why 'locke' didn't seem to know what she was talking about.

also, i nearly peed myself laughing when sawyer said, 'the guy who looks like he came out of a burt reynolds movie. also liked the nickname "chesty"

Posted by: martin at April 21, 2010 12:54 PM

Yes, I think David's mother might be Juliet as well.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 12:55 PM

martin,

Jack and his mother saw Claire's name in the will while sifting through his dad's stuff.

As for David's mom, there aren't that many realistic possibilities left. It has to be either Juliet or Jack's ex that he helped walk again. Anyone else seems absurd.

I loved Sawyer's moment after Kate figures out his secret Australia trip. After warily looking her over for a moment, he gives her the Sawyer-Is-Amused look and head-tilt, saying, "Oh, I like you!" Say what you want, but those two can flirt it up with the best of them.

I am immensely curious about how much Desmond knows at this point. He's getting creative (and dangerous, see Locke, John) in putting these people together in very specific ways, so I have to assume he knows nearly everything about the crux of each person's most important relationships. Beyond that, I don't know, but I think it's crucial beyond just knowing that he's omnipotent and that's it, you know what I mean?

One question that may not mean anything: Does it matter how each Candidate is jolted into remembering the island? Some need true love's kiss (Hurley and, presumably soon, Sawyer and Kate), while others need near-death experiences (Sun is obviously The Kwan from the list due to her reaction to Locke; Locke will definitely know some shit when he wakes up from surgery; Sayid will probably fall under this category at some point since he already has a girl, but Jack doesn't seem like he'll fall into either category). Completely opposite triggers producing the desired results. It has to mean something, right? You don't create this kind of simplistic dichotomy without some sort of payoff. I keep telling myself this.

Posted by: Kballs at April 21, 2010 12:56 PM

Chester,

Prepare to be disappointed, I think. My thought when Richard, Ben and Miles split from the group was: "Well, that's it. The candidates with special destinies, who evidently can't be killed, went in one direction, and the expendables went another. This won't end well. My balls itch."

Posted by: logar at April 21, 2010 12:57 PM

I am really just a big, ole crybaby. I tear up at anythuing and everything. I can't tell you how many times I've outright bawled over this show. But the Sun/Jin reunion lst night didn't do a thing for me. Not even a whimber. Too bad. I still love this show and I used to love Sun and Jin, but I am so over them by now that I just want the show to end.

Posted by: elsie at April 21, 2010 12:58 PM

Smockey?

Ooohh, SMOKEY. Smokey. I get it. Cuz' I was like, "Who is Smocky? Is he wearing a smock?"

Smokey. Right.

Posted by: superasente at April 21, 2010 1:01 PM

Kballs,

I don't think Sun is the "Kwon," personally. Ever wonder why she didn't travel to 1977 along with Jack, Hurley and Sayid (the known candidates)? Because Jin, the real candidate, was already in 1977, along with Sawyer.

Posted by: logar at April 21, 2010 1:02 PM

When an artillery round lands right next to you and launches you into the air like that? You die.

Kate's theory about why Sawyer didn't arrest her at the airport makes sense. What doesn't make sense is that she would have any way of guessing that. They are total strangers.

Not sure I believe that Smockey really was Christian.

Posted by: Todd at April 21, 2010 1:08 PM

I third, forth, whatever the fleeting thought that the sonic fence was gonna melt Sun/Jin into a big ball of Silly Kwony. Too bad, in a way. I was happy to see them reunite, but DAYUM I am sick of those 2.

Chesty...eh eh....

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 21, 2010 1:10 PM

Smokey + Locke = Smockey. Or Smocke, if you prefer.

Jin and Sun totally made me tear up. The ease with which I am manipulated has been discussed before. I make no apologies.

Also, I think the other candidates don't really matter so much at this point, because I think they're all getting off the island. Except Jack. I think he is the Chosen Candidate, and will be staying, and the closing scene of the series (this is all PURE SPECULATION, no spoilering involved; simply my guess, and I'm not the first to guess it) will be of Jack and Locke sitting on the beach watching the submarine sailing away, or the plane flying away, and Smocke(y) saying to Jack, "Do you know how much I want to kill you right now?" Meanwhile, the rest of them go back to whatever lives they might have, viewing Jack as the hero, which he wanted all along, which he only achieved by giving up trying so damn hard.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 1:16 PM

From Recap - Setting him down to check him out, the Man in Black says, “You’re with me now.”

I LOVED this line because, of course, no he isn't necessarily with the MIB. It ties in so beautifully with the whole free will issue and clearly is something that those who have been "claimed" have forgotten and which Jack has been grappling with as he accepts both his seeming destiny, his power to surrender and his power to choose. I think it paralells (and I think I can't spell parallels) Jacob saying to Ben "what about you" right before Ben got all stabby.

I thought MIB appeared to people on the island in recognizable forms to find his own version of the candidate. I had forgotten that he had appeared off island as well as Claire (who wasn't dead, so what was up with that?) and as Christian. Basically, I'm confused and I like it.

I say this every week and I'm saying it again. Hurley is going to be the new Richard. I think Jack will be the new Jacob. Why? Because these two were the characters who (I feel) more than anyone else felt boxed in by their lives and would welcome the release. Also Jack has that whole Messiah complex and how better to feed it than by becoming humankind's protector.

@Kolby - Does it rhyme with Schmuliet? I realised last night that it was quite likely.

@dammitjanet - I thought Sawyer calling Lapidus "Chesty" was a highlight too. When everyone went down to the galley to get food, Mr. Julien suggested that Sawyer would say to Kate, "I'm gonna go kill Claire. I'll be right back."

I am finding these last few episodes immensely satisfying. Ever since Ab Aeterno, I've been willing to just sit back and see what happens and enjoy the ride.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 1:17 PM

martin, I got the feeling that MIB didn't take responsibility for Sun's condition because he felt like he was trying to help her, but she chose to run away smack dab into a tree instead. I think we can put to rest the idea of Jacob/MIB taking turns in people's dead bodies.

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 1:22 PM

I know we'd all like everyone to make it to the end, but I think another recurring recent theme of the show is sacrifice. I think we need to stock up on the Kleenex, is what I'm trying to say.

And yes, I think Juliet is Jack's ex and David's mother. And I think she is also Sawyer's constant. The face he made while Jin and Sun embraced on Hydra Island told me everything I need to know about who he loves and what he lost.

Also, show, please do me a favor and off grimy Liz Lemon already. She's awful.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 1:34 PM

AvB - you really think the passengers of the Elizabeth are really gone from the island for good? I mean, I know that's what Sawyer said, but there's no way he was right. They have to go back.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 1:36 PM

Mez, I was expecting the same exact thing re: the sonic fence. And like you I was actually kind of hoping for it. I used to like Sun but she grates on me now.

Posted by: prairiegirl at April 21, 2010 1:41 PM

i agree that shmuliet is david's mom. i also think that the kwon kandidate in question is baby kwon.

someone said that already, i think. ah, it was cindy. yep. i agree.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 1:46 PM

Why do people think Ji Yeon is the candidate? Did Jacob deliver her or something?

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 1:48 PM

what if the woman sayid said he loved isn't nadia, but shannon?

nadia already knows that sayid is a bit murder-ey from his days in iraq. so would he really care all that much about what she thought with respect to him killing a man? i don't think shannon would be too thrilled about sayid having killed a fellow lostie to "bring her back."

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 1:49 PM

I just had a thought. What if Jack has been the chosen one all along but needed to be coerced by uncontrollable events into eventually accepting the job? What if Jacob laid all these people and events in his path and pushed things this way and that to avoid cornering Jack (wouldn't have worked at all) and knowing approximately how the MIB would react to any situation laid before him?

Also, maybe the idea of "Candidates" was a MacGuffin created by Jacob to keep the MIB busy while Jacob tinkered with perfecting his "trap" for Jack. It means many people (the "Candidates") had to be sacrificed to lure in the perfect Protector, which falls in line with many of the show's religious overtones.

Posted by: Kballs at April 21, 2010 1:50 PM

i think sun was experiencing some time bleeding, but i don't think that means she is definitely the candidate.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 1:51 PM

It certainly does look like the writing is on the wall for Jack being the future Jacob. He keeps promising people he'll get them off the island and I think he's going to have to sacrifice himself to do it. But I'm fine with this. As long as Hurley gets to stay with him. For the other characters, Kate needs to die, Sayid needs to be redeemed, and Sawyer, the Kwons, and Claire need to go home. And they all lived happily ever after (bite your tongue Kolby!).

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 1:54 PM

katy - at this point I wouldn't be surprised if no one makes it. I also wouldn't be surprised if they all make it off the island, though, either.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 1:58 PM

For just a second, I too was hoping that at least one Kwon was going to get zapped by the sonic fence. Or perhaps that should be psionic fence.

Posted by: Ojo Verde at April 21, 2010 2:00 PM

what if the woman sayid said he loved isn't nadia, but shannon?

OHMYGOD, I totally forgot about Shannon, who died ON THE ISLAND. Yes, that makes WAY more sense.

KBalls, I think Jack was the chosen one all along, but that he needed to give up his quest to be a hero in order to truly become one. that's what I was trying to say earlier. Though not very well. I have the dumb this week. Again.

Setting him down to check him out, the Man in Black says, “You’re with me now.”

Pseudo-Mr. & I discussed this. We believe it means he *is* "with" the MiB now, but in the sense of the white rock being "with" the black rock, or the white chess pieces being "with" the black chess pieces.

Kolby, i think all of the original candidates form the flight (Sawyer, Hurley, Sun & Jin, etc.) are going to make it off. I don't know about Miles or Lawnmower Pilot, and I think Ben is going to wind up sacrificing his life for some greater good. I also think Des will wind up back with Penny and Charlie, though I don't know where, when, or how. Just some kind of hunchy feelings.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 2:01 PM

"Lawnmower Pilot"...Oh, AvB, I think that too!! I keep seeing that really bad cgi lawnmower man image in my head

Posted by: dammitjanet at April 21, 2010 2:05 PM

I hope you're right.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:06 PM

That’s probably the way many other mysteries on the show will play out, so it’s possible to get answers without directly getting them, you know?

If this is the case, then they really need to quit spoon-feeding us answers that we've already figured out. If what they're going to reveal doesn't contradict or flesh out something the fans already think then there's no reason to waste time on confirming it. The lack of explicit denial is implicit confirmation in itself and it makes the mysteries that we haven't figured out cooler by comparison.

Don't reward the lowest common denominator, LOST. Thank you, however, for an otherwise solid episode.

Although if you put Kate in the crosshairs one more time and don't squeeze the fucking trigger, I'm going to have an aneurysm.

Posted by: coryo at April 21, 2010 2:06 PM

@Todd - When an artillery round lands right next to you and
launches you into the air like that? You die.

Because that is the part of the show you take the most umbrage
at for being unrealistic?

I liked it that MIB did not MOVE when the artillery went off.

@katy - I suspect this will be like the end of Buffy when only the
"humans" survive: I don't think things bode well for Sayid, Claire or
Richard. For some the only escape is death and it could be
their redemption too (ahem BEN ahem). How much fun would it be if
Hurley had to put up with Miles nattering at him for all eternity?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 2:10 PM

What answers are you looking for, coryo?

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:11 PM

i'm getting the feeling that the sideways timeline is Reality and everything else will turn out to be something that was never supposed to happen. Not a dream per se (because that theory has been dispelled) but everything the losties have been doing--all their "choices--leads up to some event that just blinks what we've thought was reality out of existence.

Widmore kept saying "everything will cease to exist."

also, thinking back to the Sun and Jin episode, when Jin was looking at the photos, the picture of baby Kwon at her birthday had a "happy birthday" banner in English. when Sun left to go back to the island, didn't she leave her kid in Korea? Why would they be speaking English unless the sideways reality is THE reality?

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 2:13 PM

I hope so too, 'cause I'ma be SAD if I'm not.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 2:15 PM

I think most everyone will die. No good reason, just my feeling. The candidate, who sure is looking to be Jack, will be the last man standing, I think. Maybe Des too or instead?

I feel like neither Sun nor Jin has that candidate air about him/her, and since Jacob touched them both, it's Ji Yeon who is the Kwon candidate. Also, Jin was supposed to have problems making babies, yet in both timelines Sun gets preggers. I think that's important, in the sense of all the nonsensical Lost important stuff, that is.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 2:15 PM

Whispers being only lost souls on the Island is complete bullshit. The Others used the whispers right before they busted Kate and Ben away from Keamy.

Posted by: Stew at April 21, 2010 2:17 PM

How much fun would it be if Hurley had to put up with Miles nattering at him for all eternity?

OH GOD SO MUCH FUN. Seriously, I hope that's a spin-off.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 2:20 PM

@coryo - they really need to quit spoon-feeding us answers

This is the way the world ends
Not with a bang but a whimper.

I think that a lot of the reveals have the hallmarks of good storytelling.
There should be more "of course" than "WTF?!". Being a step, but just a step,
ahead is fun. When we read a book or see a movie, it takes place over a much
more controlled period of time. Of COURSE we have had time to figure
some of this stuff out. We think about/read about/blog about/talk
about it a lot. I think it is to the tremendous credit
of the creators that they are pulling this whole tangled mess together so
neatly. Not too neatly though. You know there will be some delicious
unanswered questions. And I would suggest that the show cannot possibly
live up to some people's expectations no matter how labyrithine the
machinations are. You gotta admit this shit is pretty complicated.

On another note, I think it is coo coo for cocoapuffs to think that Ji Yeon
is a candidate and, I might add, irrelevant at this point.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 2:22 PM

And what is up with the Sun hate? She's the only lady with anything going on. Ilana was new and got dead, Kate has never done anything remotely interesting, and Claire has gone from "chick with baby" to "chick with crazy."

And Kolby, the answers I'm looking for are the Adam & Eves, the Candidates, the Jacob &Co.'s, the LA X's, the Dharmas, the Eloises, the Others, the psychics, the Widmores, the stuff I'm forgetting, etc. The ones that we haven't stopped talking about because we have a pretty good idea what happened already.

Posted by: coryo at April 21, 2010 2:27 PM

@stopthemadness - i'm getting the feeling that the sideways timeline is Reality and everything else will turn out to be something that was never supposed to happen.

I've been posting way too much today, so my succinct response to your suggestion is that your own name is the best response to your theory. They would be disembowelling the series to do that.

Man am I crabby today.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 2:29 PM

All this LA timeline stuff is interesting, but SO WHAT if they remember the island. What will that end up doing? Giving them crazy headaches? I'm missing the connector: how they go from remembering to affecting it.

Posted by: BAM at April 21, 2010 2:31 PM

coryo, Sun has been all over the place. She got interesting when she was looking for revenge, but what happened to her personality? And her child? Since she's gotten back to the island, she says she wants to find Jin, but instead has been following anyone and everyone - why didn't she go look for him herself? Never mind the fact that she doesn't even talk about Ji Yeon.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 2:31 PM

Hurley:
Hey, Claire. You look...great.

Posted by: shawnp at April 21, 2010 2:32 PM

The Others used the whispers right before they busted Kate and Ben away from Keamy.

They did? And we know this because?? From what I can tell, and I've read The Whisper Transcripts, the Whispers are always there, observing and commenting on the actions of the living. At certain points, when danger is imminent, the Whispers' conversations ramp up in intensity, and they get louder, sometimes arguing over what to do, if they should help or warn the people they are watching. Read the Transcripts, it's a fun little time killer.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:33 PM

Isn't the Adam and Eve thing just a question but not one likely to
be all that relevant to the big picture? Isn't it all McGuffiny and
distraction-y? I think we are working on the forest not the trees at this point.

Speaking of McGuffins, did anyone see the episode of The
Penguins of Madagascar when "macguffium" was the chemical element
Kowalski needed to create his time machine? That show is awesome!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 2:34 PM

Cindy, I am with you 100% re: Sun. Leaving behind Ji Yeon is what bothers me most. She feels almost soulless to me the past couple of seasons.

Posted by: prairiegirl at April 21, 2010 2:36 PM

the answers I'm looking for are the Adam & Eves, the Candidates, the Jacob &Co.'s, the LA X's, the Dharmas, the Eloises, the Others, the psychics, the Widmores, the stuff I'm forgetting, etc.

I'm sorry, what?

We don't know who Adam & Eve are, but there's still time to figure that out.

We know who the candidates are, as it's only been beaten over our heads all season. Yes, it's not clear which Kwon is the candidate, but we know it's at least one of them.

The rest of what you wrote...I can't figure it out.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:37 PM

Cindy, I'll give you that. I miss Juliet.

Posted by: coryo at April 21, 2010 2:37 PM

I love Kolby.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 2:39 PM

Never read the transcripts, but if that is the case, awesome, I take back the bullshit.

Posted by: Stew at April 21, 2010 2:39 PM

I think it's totally shitty that Sun hasn't mentioned her daughter, but who is she going to talk to about it? They are stranded (again) on an island with people and things that could kill them, and she knows her husband is there (the one person she may want to talk to about her daughter) but can't find him. AND, it's only been a few days since she last saw her, you know? Yi Jeon is in good, capable hands, Sun knows she's safe. She doesn't know her husband, who she hasn't seen for three years, is safe. I give her a pass for temporarily rearranging her priorites.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:41 PM

I'm pretty crabby today, too. I'm sorry about that. I could blame the new paint fumes in the office kitchen, but instead I'll blame it on my frustration that there's no LOST next week.

And I'm really going to cry when this series is over. I think it's obvious that I'm pretty invested in it. Perhaps I'll get a life when it's finished.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:44 PM

Good point, Kolby. It just feels like it has been longer since each day is so stretched out on this show.

HOWEVER, I still think her character feels empty now. I don't see the fire in her that I did previously. Her character annoys me most of the time.

Also, I thought it was crap that she and Jin were talking to one another in English, not Korean. I'm pretty sure that they would use the language in which they spoke to one another throughout the majority of their relationship instead of their second adopted language. That seemed lazy to me.

Posted by: prairiegirl at April 21, 2010 2:48 PM

I'm with you 100% there. Maybe they just wanted to prove that the reunion brought back Sun's English. Felt cheap, though.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 2:50 PM

I too still wonder about the origins of the "others", which includes Eloise, Widmore, probably many of those in the temple. Especially since they were in Richard's company. I think we'll find out their story when Eloise and/or Widmore reveal why they were on the island in the first place and still have such a stake in it. But I bet this reveal will be in the same anti-climatic fashion as the other things mentioned. And again, I'm ok with this.

I also still wonder about the Dharma group, particularly their relationship to Hanso. Why did Hanso fund the Dharma initiative? What did they find out between the time the Black Rock crashed and the Dharma initiative was established? What's the connection with Widmore?

So I too still have unanswered questions, but I think they're all going to be neatly tied up (as much as Lost can) with a strong episode focusing on Widmore, since they seem interconnected. But with three more episodes, *plus* the two hour finale, I'm confident there will be a satisfactory explanation. Call me Jack, but I continue to have faith in the process.

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 2:51 PM

As a mother, it makes no sense to me that Sun says nothing, ever about Ji Yeon. She was away from her last season, running around looking for revenge. I mean, Claire talks about Aaron all the time - to anyone, for any reason. That makes sense to me. Not even once has she said, I miss my daughter. When I'm away from my kids, even for a few hours, I miss them like crazy. Sorry, I don't get it.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 2:52 PM

it's not entirely madness. the writers have said that the island isn't hell, purgatory, or a dream. but they never said that what's going on is actually real. i don't think it would necessarily be a cop out of dallas proportions. whatever is going on, i think, is going to cause some sort of merge of the realities. so maybe the sideways reality isn't The reality, but will be the reality with some slight adjustments?

that way everyone on the island can die, but not die.

or something.

oh, and the weird birthday banner in question: http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/ca6e47a954e35d24bb993ce198d5f4d6

that picture is weird, yo. it's like someone's supposed to be in the picture but is not in the picture. jin, perhaps? all speaking english and living happily every after with his wife and kid, but not really because whatever merges the timelines hasn't happened yet?

i don't know.


commence crabbiness.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 3:00 PM

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 3:08 PM

Maybe we could cut Sun some slack and put her annoying vagueness
down to being distracted by the absence of her child and perhaps her
all-encompassing need to find Jin is partly based in tracking him down
so she can get home.

Also, as a Mum, if I am away from my son like I am now when I'm (ahem)
working, I miss him and long for him in a different way than if I am in
another country or hours away because the lack of physical proximity
kind of forces me to have to trust that he is okay since I can't get to
him quickly.

Or maybe the writers just aren't doing that great a job with the Sun thing.

@stopthemadness - What about the possibility that some people will
continue in the flashsideways while the "chosen ones" remain behind
in the other reality? I'm not convinced of this, but I'm trying to be
less crabby.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 3:13 PM

@stopthemadness - I see what you are saying and if it is true that some people remain in the original reality and some move forward in the flashsideways, then maybe it is a kind of photo not just of Ji Yeon's past but of her potential future. Then the sign would be in English because Sun and Jin have remained in the US to avoid Mr. Paik. Also, Jin could be "added" to the picture to fill in the space you pointed out.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 3:21 PM

And now a readable version, or is that just on my laptop? -

@stopthemadness - I see what you are saying and if it is true that
some people remain in the original reality and some move forward
in the flashsideways, then maybe it is a kind of photo not just of
Ji Yeon's past but of her potential future. Then the sign would be in
English because Sun and Jin have remained in the US to avoid
Mr. Paik. Also, Jin could be "added" to the picture to fill in the space you
pointed out.


Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 3:22 PM

i have ADD, so my mind tends to work in a very scattered way. i also speak before i have figured out what the hell i'm talking about. so yeah, i toss out theories without them being well thought out. and then i say "fuck that theory" and move on to the next crazy crap in my mind-head.

no worries on the crabbiness. be as crabby as you want! nonetheless, i appreciate the olive branch crab claw you have extended.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 3:22 PM

It's always crab season on the Lost thread! Bit late, as always, but here are my thoughts.

I think David's mother doesn't matter-I think it's a red herring related to Julie Bowen's scheduling and I know I'm the only one who thinks this and I will cry it out into the darkness until I am proven otherwise.

I DO, however, think that Juliet and Sawyer are each other's constant and, while I'm not sure the show has time for a cute tete a tete over coffee (going Dutch, of course), Kate ain't what Sawyer is looking for. Sooo, honestly, I think that makes her Jack's constant. I know, yuck.

How great was that mirror shot of Locke and Jack, after all the gimmicky mirror business this season I REALLY liked that duality shot.

Oh, and one more thing about stupid Kate, etc. I think, she will likely be Jack's constant alt-wise and she and Sawyer will get each other in the island timeline and that way all the ming-mong fans will be appeased. Because, yes, absolutely, Jack is staying on that island with fake Locke for all eternity.

Someone brought up Lapidus, who I LOVE, but who seems to have served no purpose so far this season, in that I am scratching my head why they made him a regular. My only thought on this is that the gang is going to need his unique gifts as a pilot later on to get their asses off the island. That's not a spoiler as I have no inside information. Love Lapidus, but, seriously, he gets like two lines MAYBE an episode.

And, finally, I AM SO OVER JIN AND SUN. OVER. IT. "I never stopped looking for you?" Yeah, nice try, you're no Penny and Des. "We'll never be apart ever again?" Nice, way to sign your or your wife's death warrant there, buddy.

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 3:23 PM

Logar - I thought the same thing (that Ben, Richard and Miles are doomed now)... but I also think that would be really lazy and pathetic of the writers to take all of the talent we've seen from all (or at least 2 of 3) of these actors and just "red shirt" them. I hope it ends up at least more complex than that and that they serve some purpose in the end. Even if the end is like, only about 200 minutes away or something... LOST don't leave me bitter!

Posted by: chester at April 21, 2010 3:26 PM

Who is Jack's ex-wife in the alternate universe? It could be any female character that we have yet to encounter in the L.A. timeline.

The most obvious choice is Juliet, simply because it would give the story the most emotional resonance. It could also be Jack's original wife, the woman he saved from paralysis. But that would probably have the least emotional resonance.

For a purely WTF moment, it could be Ana-Lucia. There are also some trivial possibilities, such as Juliet's sister, Sawyer's baby mama, or the woman that Faraday was doing time experiments on.


Posted by: Ojo Verde at April 21, 2010 3:26 PM

@stopthe madness - If they really are going to carry forward in
the alternate timeline why would it be so important for Desmond
to "awaken" everyone?

@coveredinbees - I don't think it is about who is whose constant.
I think it's about who can trigger a significant emotionally-intense
memory such as Desmond watching Charlie die.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 3:37 PM

that way everyone on the island can die, but not die.


Part of me agrees with you. If the realities (and the writers have been VERY clear on this - both realities are indeed quite real) bleed so thoroughly into one another that the characters retain all their island memories and are then free to continue their alt-reality lives with greater knowledge and possibly with their destined loves, then I suppose their deaths on the island would not be in vain, and wouldn't suck as badly as they would otherwise. I'm OK with this, but that's the only way I'd be OK with the alt-reality being the end reality.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 3:37 PM

I attribute the Sun character slide to poor writing. I just think the writers are focused on finding Jin as her primary motivation and have failed to add any depth to her character. I guess her one-dimensional nature is what is so bothersome. It's like we've been hearing on note on the piano over and over and over with her. It's boring.

Posted by: prairiegirl at April 21, 2010 3:38 PM

For a purely WTF moment, it could be Ana-Lucia.

Ojo, I totally thought that.

Also, OMG you guys, I just looked at the last couple of episode titles on IMDb and I welled up a little. OK, a lot. Slightly unseemly being that I'm still at work and all.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack (heh) at April 21, 2010 3:47 PM

@mrs. julien- to cause whatever needs to happen to merge the timelines to happen?

i also have this really weird feeling that locke and WTFlocke are going to merge consciousnesses.

but that might be just the crazy talking. again.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 3:47 PM

@stopthemadness-
I agree about the photo. It reminds me of Back to the Future when Marty's family photo starts having his family "erased from existence". I think the big gap on the side means that we will see that photo again, but with Jin in it as well.

AvB-
I know I am late to the party, but the woman who died on the operating table in season 2 was the catalyst that made Jack turn against his father. At the hospital risk-management meeting Jack backed his father's story of accidental death until he heard that the woman was pregnant-a fact that Cristian purposefully omitted-and then he changed his story completely and revealed that his daddy was drunk. It was this event that made Christian drown his sorrows in Australia and the thing he subsequently discussed with Sawyer in the bar (Jack really did the right thing, I forgive him, blah blah blah) that Sawyer later relates to Jack in the jungle (whew).

Posted by: Claire at April 21, 2010 3:51 PM

i did drink half a bottle of wine last night, but i'm pretty sure WTFlocke called Sawyer "Sawyer" whereas before he was always calling him "James."

bleeding consciousnesses, FTW?

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 3:52 PM

But REAL Locke always called Sawyer "James," just like he calls Hurley "Hugo."

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 3:54 PM

The Alt World seems like too much of a convenient, echoed existence to be truly "real" for our Losties. They're getting memories of their Island existence but not vice versa. Not saying it isn't real in its own right as I believe it will bleed some good and bad things into the true reality. It just doesn't feel like the world that this particular version of themselves is supposed to inhabit. It is being portrayed as an accidental reality torn into by a cataclysmic event, and something bad will happen if it isn't set right somehow. Otherwise, why have Desmond running around "opening their minds?"

So, Desmond must be sacrificed once his job is complete because that's the price he pays for being the messenger.

Posted by: Kballs at April 21, 2010 3:58 PM

@claire, yes! duh. i can't believe i didn't make the back to the future connection.

also, i've been digging some more because it's not like they pay me to work or anything:

http://getlostpodcast.iimmgg.com/image/b7da0c4e192e7861a010a76863a19e54

who is holding the dog leash? jin perhaps? not in the photo because of mr. paik being a dick?

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 4:00 PM

And about the constant thing-well I may be co-opting one term for another, that's true. But the evidence we have so far is that it's either a near death experience (Charlie, Sun, Des [but Des is always the exception]) or a love connection (Charlotte/Faraday, Penny/Des, Hurley/Libby) that cause REVELATORY awakenings. There are other bleeds here and there (plushy Shamu, appendix scar, etc) but the eye-opener is one of those two things.

Or, you know, Charlie wasn't AWAKENED by his near death experience, he was just SHOWN Claire and felt the need to find her. So I'm still on board with the touch of your true love (but really that can't work across the board, eh? Sun already has Jin, Sayid sorta has Nadiya [don't talk to me about Shannon. . .just don't]) being the THING. What do we have to look forward to. . .Jack/Kate and Sawyer/Juliet? Anyone else circling the drain?

So anyway, that's why I'm calling it a constant, but you're right it's not EXACTLY the same as the concept Faraday espoused a few seasons back.

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 4:00 PM

Two things about Sun:

1) Don't forget that she has not been apart from Ji Yeon that long. I don't know the exact timing, but it can't have been more than a couple weeks, right? Her return trip to the Island is probably even shorter in duration than the folks who time-traveled back to the 70s and then leaped back to 2007. It only seems like a long time because her separation has been protracted over so many episodes.

2) Random thought: maybe the Island didn't send her back to 1977 with the rest on the Ajira flight out of respect for Ji Yeon? That is, it's not nice to send a young kid's mother on a risky trip across time and space. I doubt a reason will ever be given, aside from the narrative convenience of keeping her apart from Jin for a greater time.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 21, 2010 4:02 PM

The Alt World seems like too much of a convenient, echoed existence to be truly "real" for our Losties. They're getting memories of their Island existence but not vice versa.

I think we can safely say Juliet experienced a bleed when she died at the bottom of the pit. Right? Perhaps, just as Ilana shuffled off the mortal coil she thought, "WTF, I'm a LAWYER? With no accent?!?"

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 4:02 PM

AvB, Wikipedia shows who will be the featured characters in episode 15, and it will be fantastic! And there's no saying who episode 16 refers to. I'm going to remain in blissful ignorance.

stopthemadness, wine and Lost go great together. The mister and I often splurge and open one of our bottles of 'weekend' wine while we watch. And then maybe or maybe not follow up with the boxed 'weekday' wine.

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 4:06 PM

I just looked at the last couple of episode titles on IMDb and I welled up a little. OK, a lot.

I know! The penultimate episode's title, right?

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 4:08 PM

@coveredinbees- oh yeah. snap. like i said, i have no filter from brain to mouth/finger.

@katy- mmmm.... boxed wine.

i just looked at the penultimate episode's title.

yikes! they're going to die but not die. they just are.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 4:13 PM

Completely agree prairiegirl.

Am I the only person who doesn't want the sideways to win out? I think I'd rather they all die.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 4:15 PM

Agreed: the depth of that well was a crock.

Anticlimax: Sawyer makes this pointless ultimatum and the Losties separate yet again. What are the odds that Jack is not going to end up in the same place as these characters for the show's final revelations and a proper farewell? Seems pretty slim to me.

Seeing as Jack is still at odds with MIB, the episode title is a misnomer, and the final beat seems not that dramatic as a result. I guess it could imply that Jack is going to attempt to play MIB.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 21, 2010 4:15 PM

i don't want the sideways to win out, but what are the other options?

i want some blend of realities.

Posted by: stopthemadness at April 21, 2010 4:18 PM

Yeah with that said, Darth. What is up with the "the moment he talks to you" business. I mean, are we meant to think that Smokey is just insanely persuasive (as Jacob was with Richard, I suppose) or is there something mystical going on there? I mean, with Sayid I had assumed it was because our favorite Iraqi was already dead inside. And then I was trying to rack my brains if there is someone among our Losties that Smokey HASN'T spoken to yet. I can't think of anyone. . .Miles??!?!

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 4:20 PM

I think the "the moment he talks to you" thing comes down to
freewill, or one's perception of it.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 4:32 PM

People are going to die. They have to die to manage any verisimilitude.
And I would bet they will die in BOTH places because that is somehow
their path. Besides aren't Claire and Sayid already dead?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 4:36 PM

So you think the moment he talks to you you have no more free will? I'm not assuming that's what you're saying, I'm curious as to your thoughts.

Also, I'm not suuuure Claire is dead. I had thought so, but now I'm not so sure. I'm hoping for a Claire redemption.

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 4:40 PM

I don't know about Claire, unless she really did die in that explosion in New Otherton many moons ago. But Sayid's death and resurrection irks me a little, because they've been beating us over the head with "dead is dead" for so long. Now THAT's a question I'd like an answer to.

Posted by: Kolby at April 21, 2010 4:53 PM

@coveredinbees - I'm saying that it has to do with whether or not you
think you have free will/choices. Like when Jacob said to Ben "What
about you?". Ben seemed to take it as "why should I care about you",
when it was also, "well, what about you? What are YOU going to do?".
People keep saying "it's over if he talks", but it doesn't seem to be holding
up. Even Sayid seems able to change his mind 'cause you just know that
Desmond is not dead at the bottom of the Well of Variable Depths.

I agree Claire's status is definitely a question mark though that was a
mighty big explosion she got caught in as I recall. At the very least,
she has been transformed or claimed. But then she follows
whatever whackdoodle plan can get her to her baybee, so I could be wrong
and she is alive and batshit insane. Congratulations Aaron!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 4:54 PM

Again, I love Kolby.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at April 21, 2010 4:55 PM

I don't think Sawyer is Kate's constant/true love/whatever. Not that they couldn't have. I've said on past treads that if they were to flash at the end of Sawyer's episode (when he get her against a wall) well that would be the case. But given Kate's apparent feelings for Jack (unresolved arc) and the face Sawyer had when he saw Jin and Sun (heart breaking is what it was) obviously because of Juliet, I don't think for one second Sawyer and Kate will just end together just to please some cheese-loving fans. It doesn't make any sense given how they were acting On island. Off island I conceide that there were some flirting going on, but it's just Sawyer being Sawyer (and Lilly and Holloway's undeniable chemistry - don't get the Kate haters by the way, to me she's always been a great character who always been doing the right thing or questionning dumb ideas...)

Anyway, I know I just made a point out of it, but like Lilly said, maybe she'll choose herself, so who care about her being with Sawyer or Jack. Why dont they just get into a ménage à trois, so that Jack and Sawyer resolve their mutual tension by fucking each other already.

Posted by: rg at April 21, 2010 5:08 PM

"Also, I know we're focusing on the "True Love as Constant" idea, but I think Jack and Locke are each other's constant."
Anna von Beaversmack

I'm sure the slash shippers have that covered. : )

Posted by: Kosmic Koyote at April 21, 2010 5:10 PM

You know, rg, you're absolutely right there's not enough time for Kate and Sawyer to be totally on the Love Boat in the island timeline. . .but he's been very oddly protective of her since he was a dick to her (well actually kind of reasonably grief-stricken) on the dock. I still think the producers are going to leave it open/implied that Kate and Sawyer could build a life on the island timeline. That is, if everyone doesn't die or go kabloooey.

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 5:21 PM

If...

oh and mrs Julien, I love kilby (if I knew how to do it the "I" would be bolded, underlined, and in italics)

Posted by: rg at April 21, 2010 5:25 PM

I can't believe I typed kilby. I'm sorry, I'm gonna go now...

Posted by: rg at April 21, 2010 5:37 PM

Oh a

Posted by: rg at April 21, 2010 5:49 PM

Oh, who doesn't love Craig Kilborn?

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 21, 2010 6:02 PM

You know, the 2nd-to-last made me gasp, but I don't know who it refers to, so not as much as the last one.

Smockey hasn't spoken to Bernard and Rose, as far as we know. If, of course, they're still on the island, and alive.

@ katy, WHERE?! I went there and the other episodes all have links to their pages with the recaps and the "guest starring" lists, but the as-yet-unaired eps don't have links!! Where where where?!

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at April 21, 2010 6:02 PM

Also, I don't think Kate has a constant.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at April 21, 2010 6:05 PM

People:
what if the alt timeline is what happens when (if) they all get off the island and Smokey gives them all what he promised them? We saw at the beginning of this season that the alt timeline involves the island being destroyed and at the bottom of the ocean, so it seems to me that perhaps in the alt timeline they all got off, and so the island, having no further purpose, sank. Also, perhaps Locke is still Smokey--I mean that Locke in the alt timeline is really a disguised Smokey still. That would explain why Desmond tries to kill him instead of, say, talking with him. You'd think he wouldn't take such a serious risk with Locke's life if his main goal was just to awaken him from his dogmatic slumber (HA! Immanuel Kant (not John Locke) wrote that reading David (not Desmond) Hume awakened him from his dogmatic slumber!)

Also, Widmore and Eliose could be working with Smokey, trying to keep anyone involved in the Island from asking too many questions. That's why everyone gets it good--to stop them from asking questions (Trumanshowesque). Hurley gets good luck; Sayid gets to see the girl he wanted (but in a sad way); Jack gets a son to be a good father to; Sun and Jin get to be together in America and not under her father's yoke, etc.

Posted by: nitpickyjerk at April 21, 2010 6:12 PM

Most everyone here seems to keep using the term "constant" in a manner that is extremely contrary to established Lost canon.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at April 21, 2010 6:15 PM

AvB, here you go:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Lost_episodes#Season_6:_2010

And since I looked before they've filled in the featured characters for episode 14 too!

Posted by: katy at April 21, 2010 6:28 PM

I saw the reference to extending a crab claw, and immediately thought of my lobster, and then there you were, covered!

Kolby, early on you mentioned Juliet being the doc who had lost a pregnant patient on the table. No one has mentioned it, but my first thought was you were thinking Juliet was another doc in Jack's hospital, and that she fixed Sun. Frankly, I freakin' love the idea.

I laughed out loud at "WTFlocke" - well done!


Posted by: Patty O'Green at April 21, 2010 8:15 PM

I agree Darth. At this point, a constant really doesn't seem to have anything to do with anything. Desmond, if he is at any point time traveling, is the only one who needs one.

I think I'll be satisfied, though sad and sobbing, if most everyone dies - but we get a believable answer to the purpose of everyone coming to the island (i.e. one of them is Jacob's replacement and MIB is kept on the island), and the idea of the island is conveyed clearly to us (it's keeping good and evil in balance in "the real world" or establishing a balance between free will and destiny that affects the fate of humankind, or some such lofty purpose). I can let a lot of the small stuff, the details, the side trips, the minutia, the vague and unanswerable go, if the base story is something I can give myself over to.

Posted by: Cindy at April 21, 2010 8:23 PM

I have a hard time believing Smokey was Christian (at least not every time he's appeared). As said above there are inconsistencies about his appearances with what we know about Smokey, and for me it just seems like such a let down for such an important secondary character.

Smokey has lied to get everyone to follow him. He told Sawyer the island is just an island, he told Claire the Others had her baby, he told Kate she'd be safe, etc... To get the candidates to want to leave the island he has to make them think that there is nothing special about the island and letting Jack believe he was Christian helps with that goal.

Maybe it's just my need for some mysteries to have an epic answer to them.

I also think that Smokey is lying about Locke simply being a sucker. Sure it was obvious that Locke was desperate for answers but he did have a connection with the island. He was a candidate after all. Also Smokey seems to get really angry when talking about Locke, not quite as angry as when he sees that spooky jungle boy but the anger has to come from somewhere.

Posted by: Orser at April 21, 2010 8:35 PM

1. I pretty sure "constant" only refers to the person a person unstuck in time need to look for.

2. Speaking of which, isn't it time to bring back Faraday in a non-gag inducing way? I miss his science.

3. Kate is only likable in flirt mode.

4. Sayid consistently gives the best creepy eyes.

Posted by: kelsy at April 21, 2010 8:40 PM

I don't really have much to say today (also I completely forgot about the recap today, blergh), just this:

Jack reaches the beach to find the Man in Black and his generically dressed Others waiting in an ominous line

completely cracked me up. And I felt the exact same way you did with the Jin and Sun reunion, Dan. Just, "thank god that's over".

Dang, it's almost over. That's terrible and great at the same time. And no new show next week? Boooooooo.

Posted by: figgy at April 21, 2010 9:09 PM

OH! Here's a damned mystery I want solved: What the hell is so bloody important about the children. That one had BEST get answered, or I will murder Cuse and Lindelof and everyone else involved with this show RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF THEIR FACES.

(Thanks again for that one, superasente! It comes in so very handy, so much of the time!)

Also, @ katy, OOOOHHHH. I thought you meant there was a listing of the "guest starring" for the episodes (there is on eps that have already aired).

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at April 21, 2010 9:19 PM

So I'm rewatching it now, and I got a deja-vu vibe from the scene at the well. Sayid was there to kill Desmond, but first Desmond asked, "What did he offer you?"

Wasn't there a scene where Jacob or MIB asked that of someone right away? It definitely had the same feel, at least, based on Des speaking and therefore preventing the murder. As in that "he spoke to you first" magic people keep pulling.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at April 21, 2010 9:31 PM

Maybe Jacob to Richard?

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 22, 2010 12:10 AM

P.S. Love ya too, lobster! (But NOT constant, I would NEVER misuse that word!)

Posted by: coveredinbees at April 22, 2010 12:15 AM

I think the reason Jack didnt die when the artillery landed is because he can't die. And Juliet is going to be his ex, no doubts.

Posted by: yani at April 22, 2010 1:11 AM

Also, I think the other candidates don't really matter so much at this point, because I think they're all getting off the island. Except Jack. I think he is the Chosen Candidate, and will be staying, and the closing scene of the series (this is all PURE SPECULATION, no spoilering involved; simply my guess, and I'm not the first to guess it) will be of Jack and Locke sitting on the beach watching the submarine sailing away, or the plane flying away, and Smocke(y) saying to Jack, "Do you know how much I want to kill you right now?" Meanwhile, the rest of them go back to whatever lives they might have, viewing Jack as the hero, which he wanted all along, which he only achieved by giving up trying so damn hard.


Anna, yes, yes, YES! That is exactly what I think.


Regarding Jin and Sun: I a) definitely thought they were gonna get blown up by the fence, as that is something Lost would totally do to us, and b) was so not impressed with Sun being able to speak English as soon as she found Jin. I like them but as someone else mentioned, they are no Penny and Desmond, and their reunion scene just seemed a little off with the rest of the episode. I'm glad they're back together and now it's time to move on.

Posted by: Even Stevens at April 22, 2010 3:20 AM

I think the reason Jack didnt die when the artillery landed is because he can't die.

It occurred to me that this might have been the island protecting him, but this was very different from the dynamite thing. With that, the island stopped something that would have killed him from happening. But it didn't prevent the artillery from blowing up right next to him. He just didn't get injured from it. Which is idiotic.

Posted by: Todd at April 22, 2010 10:47 AM

Did anyone else find it weird that it was nighttime when Jack and MIB strolled into the jungle to talk, yet it was daytime (not just morningtime, no no!) when they returned to the group? How the hell long did they walk/talk? Seemed jarring to me.

Where are those "Whisper Transcripts"? Last week's link just sent me around and around!

Where the hell is Vincent?! The dog needs a sideways story -- maybe a la "Marley and Me"?

Posted by: Obst N. Gemuse at April 22, 2010 12:42 PM

Daniel Carlson is a racist. ANY episode featuring non-white cast members he puts down and criticizes. Just look at him pointing out his wish of Sun keeping quiet just because she has a slight accent and is Korean.

DANIEL CARLSON = RACIST

Posted by: Christian at April 22, 2010 1:35 PM


















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