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Everyone's Waiting

By Daniel Carlson | Posted Under Lost Recaps | Comments (211)



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What do we want from a story?

How do we experience them? A story is infinitely more than a series of narrative points strung together in order; if it weren’t, there would be no difference between reading Romeo and Juliet and having me tell you, “A boy meets a girl. Their parents hate each other. They sleep together and try to run away, but it backfires. They wind up committing suicide.” There’s more to a story than just what happens: There are the people, the places, and the relationships that give it color and depth.

But there’s a flip side to that, or rather, an opposite end on a continuum. One extreme is pure fact; the other is pure emotion. The best stories land somewhere in the middle, creating memorable characters and moving them through a narrative that’s by turns engaging, moving, and ultimately coherent, if not in terms of clarity then at least in terms of unity. Move too far one way, and you sacrifice enjoyable characters in the name of bland recitation of bullet points; too far the other, and you give up telling a good tale just to play with the people in it.

This has been the battle “Lost” has been fighting for years, and one that came to a surprising end on Sunday with a finale destined to divide viewers. (It’s certainly divided me.) There were wonderful, sweet, sad moments of reunion and heartbreak as moving as anything the show’s done in its entire run; but there were also large parts of the story elided in favor of finding a type of closure for some of the characters. The episode was designed to hit a series of smart emotional punches based on six years of viewer investment, and it did so flawlessly. But its focus on the group of people on the show, and not the reason they were together, felt ultimately like an insubstantial attempt to cancel out all those wandering plots and unanswered questions and say they never mattered. Yet they did matter. Not because they were more important than the characters, but because they were the reason those characters lived and died the way they did.

There’s a beauty to mystery that’s impossible to deny. Sometimes, it’s more alluring to luxuriate in a state of confusion than to actually find an answer to your questions. But there’s a difference between the sublime unanswered narrative question and the one left dangling simply because it was dropped for other things. The finale of “Lost” worked fantastically, but only if you ignore chunks of previous seasons. Does that make it a bad episode, or series? Not at all. It’s been one of the most entertaining action/sci-fi shows of this generation. But it doesn’t live up to the promise and power of its first daring year, when we hadn’t yet learned the happenstance ways in which our questions would be answered or ignored. There have been amazing moments along the way, but I’m not sure the series holds water the way it’s been knitted together. I didn’t want everything answered, I honestly didn’t. (Weirdly, I like that DHARMA is this kind of tangential story that just kept getting whatthefuckier until it exploded.) But I’m also not going to say that crafting a mystery and then backing out of it is anything other than desperate.

I’m not even going to do a beat-by-beat recap. This is my last chance to jabber on about “Lost” here, and there’s just too much else to talk about.

The big reveal at the end was that the flash-sideways timeline wasn’t in fact some other timeline, or even alternate world where the plane didn’t crash. It was the afterlife, one constructed for the Oceanic survivors as a way for them to reconnect with each other after death before moving on. Jack was the last one to figure this out, after everyone else was introduced to some kind of major relationship or act that triggered a flood of memory of their previous life. For many people, it was seeing their one true (island) love: Juliet, revealed to be David’s mother because she was the last major female character unaccounted for, saw Sawyer at the hospital and touched his hand, igniting a fury of memory and love that was the sweet reunion we’d wanted since she died last season. Sawyer’s soft utterance, “It’s me, baby,” as they held each other was perfect. Ditto the nice moment when Hurley and Boone conspired to have Sayid interrupt a fight and rescue Shannon (!), whose presence reminded Sayid of their time together and reminded me how much I liked them as a couple and her and Boone as integral characters in the first season. (Though why Sayid wasn’t able to reunite with Nadia seemed a little weird.) Same with Charlie and Claire, who remembered each other after Claire gave birth at the concert with Kate’s help, an event that triggered their own memories to come back. The entire Los Angeles story led not to the concert but to the events after it, as Jack showed up to find the party over but Kate waiting for him, and she’s the one who took him to the church where all was finally revealed.

Of course, the island events were very much real, and as tightly packed as you’d come to expect from “Lost.” Jack’s anointing led him to challenge the Man in Black in a major way, and he wound up being right that Desmond’s ability to survive entry into the cave of light would ultimately prove to be the Man in Black’s undoing. The interesting thing was when Jack was preparing to lower Desmond into the cave and Desmond told Jack that it didn’t matter what happened because he, Desmond, was going to a better place where everyone got to be with their loved one and the plane had never crashed. “Maybe I can find a way to bring you there, too,” he tells Jack. In other words, the Desmond on the island is acting like someone in the L.A.-themed afterlife, and vice versa, given the L.A. Desmond’s hardcore desire to puncture everyone’s illusion and remind them of the real world. Is this because Desmond is special, and his consciousness can slide through time? If time, why not space or other dimensions? Eloise has already proven to know the truth about the L.A. world, telling Desmond in “Happily Ever After” that he wasn’t ready to know the truth. She knew he had the perfect life there, which is what island-Desmond now tells Jack he can have. It’s like Desmond’s personas are reversed from everyone else’s ever since his little electromagnet jaunt from Widmore. What role, if any, did Eloise play in the construction of that special after-death world? Desmond’s lack of fear when facing the Man in Black can be chalked up to his knowledge of this other world, but will he ever be fully in one or the other?

I liked that Jack was, as the Man in Black joked, the obvious choice to be the new island protector, and that he died to save the island and passed his job to Hurley. The scene where Hurley takes the cup and drinks to become like Jack was earnest and moving. Hurley’s tears felt the most genuine because they’ve been the least exploited on the show. At this point, seeing someone like Kate cry is like watching Ben get punched in the face; it happens all the time. But Hurley’s sudden softness, followed by his slow gathering of strength and will, were perfectly done. I also loved that he recruited Ben to be his second in command, effectively setting them up as the new Jacob and Richard but with far more leniency and humanity than Jacob’s regime. Hurley asks for Ben’s help from the beginning, and Ben comforts him by saying Hurley will succeed by doing what he always does: taking care of people, starting with Desmond, who needs to get home.

It was also good to see Frank (who survived that sinking sub like a champ) come back for the win and get the Ajira plane running again to fly himself to safety along with Richard (now mortal), Miles, Kate, Claire (who initially didn’t want to leave because her har was bad, or Aaron wouldn’t like her, or something) and Sawyer. I liked Sawyer and Jack’s farewell for the way it let them finally feel like equals, though I think Jack’s final sweeping kiss with Kate was a bit much. She’s been gunning for Sawyer ever since she got back to the island, and was even going to offer him some physical comfort after Juliet died. I’m not saying Jack and Kate don’t make sense. They’ve been set for each other for a while now. This just feels like it would’ve carried a lot more weight if she’d, you know, liked him in the past couple years.

Which brings me back to L.A. and the way it all ended. Kate took Jack to the church where his father’s funeral was to be held, and everyone who’d been having memory flashes all night had gathered there. Jack found his father’s coffin empty and turned to see Christian standing there, which is when Jack remembered that he’d died on the island. He flashed to waking up outside the falls that exit the cave (in the same place where the original Man in Black’s body washed up, and don’t think I didn’t wonder if Jack was gonna become an incorporeal cloud), then slowly staggering to the bamboo forest and laying down to die as Vincent ran up to lie with him. The church and that whole world are apparently a kind of transitional afterlife, like an interactive purgatory, that the Oceanic survivors made (?) to find each other after death. (Did the bomb do it? Somehow?) There’s no passage of time there, so the few “days” that have passed since their flight landed have all unfolded differently depending on your earthly point of view: Jack died on the island and went there, but Hurley and Ben lived for who knows how long on the island before dying and arriving there. (The exchange in which they talk about how much they enjoyed working with each other hints at some amazing stories.) This world exists as a place of comfort for them to discover each other again when they’re ready because, as Christian says, their time on the island was the most important time in their lives.

To which I can’t help but say: Yes, and? I have no idea how that special post-death pre-Heaven place got built, but its impact would not have been lessened if it had only been introduced tonight. So many intriguing possibilities about the dual timelines — will one destroy the other? Is one more “real” than the other? — were left to rot when it was revealed that the Los Angeles story had no connection to the main plot and no purpose except to function as a gathering place for the people who had been on the island to find each other again after death. (Which doesn’t explain why Penny was there.) It would not at all have changed the story to have this epilogue in the finale and tie together more threads in the main plot like Jacob’s cabin, the ghost of Walt, etc. This episode works in theory and looks great on paper, but when you try to place it within the larger context of the show — let alone have it serve as the series’ final word on everything — it doesn’t quite fit.

Honestly, I’m still digesting it all. I will say it again, for those in the cheap seats convinced I’m a heartless monster: I enjoyed the episode, and I loved getting to see so many broken hearts made whole again. So help me, I got a little misty at times. But when I step back and tell myself to really think about things, to use the brain that Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse have wanted me to use for six years, I can have no other response but to say the episode fell short of the scope promised in earlier years. The finale would have served a purpose for a more limited show — granted, a corny one that wanted to go out like a soupy redo of The Five People You Meet in Heaven — but it wasn’t enough for “Lost.” This was a show of action and adventure, science fiction and romance, mystery and mysticism, and moments of pure poetry. The finale felt like a casual abandoning of everything the show used to cherish. It worked in the moment, but it falls apart in the light.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a member of the Houston Film Critics Society, as well as a TV blogger for the Houston Press. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

I didn't watch any of this season yet (still halfway through the last one), but I absolutely love the title to this column. Beautiful reference, Dan. Bravo.

Posted by: Snath at May 24, 2010 8:39 AM

While I'm not happy that they never really explained the hows or whys of the island, I left the finale feeling satisfied/content with it. My wife, on the other hand, left crying her eyes out.

Posted by: chad at May 24, 2010 8:41 AM

A drainplug doesn't control the faucet. Just sayin, Darlton.

There were so many great scenes, (Sawyer and Juliet! Sun and Jin! MiB and Richard becoming mortal!)but I was left wanting more when it was all said and done. How did Hurley get Desmond home, for instance.

And if the sideways was the afterlife, what's up with Jack's kid?

Posted by: gob at May 24, 2010 8:52 AM

So close! I love it when I am wrong about this show and my passionately defended theories are proven incorrect. I thought the ending in the "reality" timeline was fantastic. The ending in the sideways timeline was nonsense.

When the creators set a finite number of episodes did they not have enough story to fill the time?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 8:54 AM

"The finale felt like a casual abandoning of everything the show used to cherish."

EXACTLY. For the last two seasons, I've felt like all the things that made LOST amazing were "abandoned". Essentially, I miss the show having a sense of place. I miss Mikhail's home, Jacob's cabin, the Others' camp, the Lostie's camp, the hatches. And I missed the characters that represented these places because it all gave the show coherency and focus.

It seems like the mysteries of Dharma, the Others, the Hanso foundation, and the reasons the characters were brought together were just left behind during season 5 and traded off for these stories about Jacob and Smokie, while our usual main characters just sat and stood around doing very little.

I did think the ending the characters got was perfect. I love that they all got together again. There isn't a more perfect ending for them. But when the writers say that it's a story about the characters, and not the island, I have to say that the island IS a character. A major character. And I wish I could have learned more about it before the show ended, or at least more about the people that know a lot about it.

Just one episode during the course of the series about Eloise's life on the island and her time afterwards, her ideas, the findings of her studies, how much she knows, etc. would have been awesome. Or maybe a small arc about the origins of the Others and how they hooked up with Jacob would have helped it feel like a fuller story.

I'm about 70% satisfied. It was a good ending to a great show. I'm content with it. But, when I think about why I loved this show I keep thinking of things that I never got to fully understand. And that sucks.

Posted by: kayla at May 24, 2010 8:57 AM

This was cheap crap, and it retroactively ruined six years of potential future nostalgia.

This was worse than Matrix Revolutions.

Cheap, copout, bullshit.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 8:58 AM

Did anyone else find the Jack/Jesus parallel to be a little hamhanded?

Posted by: Dangerous Dave at May 24, 2010 8:58 AM

This articulates my feelings perfectly. On an emotional level, it was perfect. But I feel like LOST answered the one question they shouldn't have: What happens after you die? I know most people will be complaining that they didn't give any definitive answers, but for me this is the ULTIMATE definitive answer, better left unsaid. It seems to run counter to one of the major themes of LOST: the struggle between science and faith. Guess that's... not a struggle anymore? Let's all walk into the white light and pick up our harps? I dunno.

I did love what they did with Hurley, though. Of COURSE it had to be Hurley.

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 8:58 AM

The BSG ending was better, for fuck's sake.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:00 AM

Thank you for all of your hard work.

Posted by: Stew at May 24, 2010 9:01 AM

One important theme of what the show is "about" (I agree with everything else you said in the closing paragraph) is about faith and redemption. I mean everyone meeting in a church, Jack's revelation with a stained glass window of religious imagery, his father being the one to reveal it? You know, Christian Shephard! The show has always had these recurrent themes. I'm not religious at all but to miss out on religious symbolism or metaphors last night was difficult.

Posted by: ihatemike at May 24, 2010 9:03 AM

You are right on. I feel emotionally satisfied and intellectually empty after this episode... as well as a bit swindled. I didn't expect to find out everything - or even get a lot of answers to many of the confusing questions from the last 6 years - but it felt like they didn't even try. I've been watching the most densely layered science-fiction fantasy tv show that has ever been and instead of giving me some basic answers as to what created this world, they just made sure I knew my favorite characters got to walk into the light with their soulmate. If I wanted cliché about the afterlife, I would have bought a DVD of Touched By An Angel. The more I think about this finale, the angrier I get.

Posted by: Tallsonofagun at May 24, 2010 9:04 AM

When Vincent wondered out of the forest to lay with Jack, well, it got pretty blurry in my living room. That moment was absolutely masterful. Manipulative? Of course. But wow.

As for the rest, I slowly came to realize that the show had become a lumbering beast burdened with too many inexplicable plotlines, and the only way they could've ended it was by focusing on the characters. I'm with Dan about enjoying Dharma as a big stand-alone clusterfuck that slowly consumed itself. Jacob and MIB brought them there to further their little bet and those hippies went apeshit.

I also agree with Dan that the sideways world could've been condensed into a few episodes toward the end and not drawn out all season. It would've freed up more time for the writers to explain some shit, but c'est la vie. No show has ever been perfect (even The Wire had its bad moments) and I will walk away having enjoyed the adventure. I can make educated guesses about most of the mysteries and what I can't figure out will be chalked up to abandoned plotlines or my lack of imagination.

I appreciate the emotional impact of the finale and for all its faults, I believe the writers' hearts were in the right place as they wanted to show their love for the characters and the audience and respect the bond a viewer creates with those people. And I can respect that.

Posted by: Kballs at May 24, 2010 9:07 AM

Even The Stand had a better ending!
Even The Dark Tower had a better ending!
Fuck, I was more satisfied with Carnivale.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:08 AM

My sister's explanation for the creation of the sideways/afterlife timeline was:

They all wanted their "happy place" + island magic + nuke = sideways happy place

I feel like that fits the rules of the story, so now I'm satisfied. :)

Posted by: Ray Merkler at May 24, 2010 9:08 AM

I guess I am pretty disappointed. I don't understand why, for example, Sayid wouldn't want Nadia in the afterlife, or why Jack (and Juliet, but she doesn't have daddy issues) would abandon their afterlife son. I don't really get the reality of the afterlife world--it's one thing to say it's a fake reality but clearly Eloise (at least) is living there with her full faculties and knowledge, so it's not just something the Losties dreamed up on their own that will cease to exist once they depart for heaven (or wherever.) Right? I mean, Ben chose to stay in that reality, too, so presumably those people (including Jack Jr) are "real" to some extent. I think that whole reality-as-purgatory is kind of a pretty idea, but I'm not sure I can make sense of it, especially introduced so late in the game.

I guess I am also just very depressed that all the characters that died during the show just... died. I really thought that somehow they'd be given a second chance at life knowing what they learned on the island. But no, all they got was just a chance to go to the afterlife together. It just seems depressing to me.

I wasn't really asking for a lot of answers, but a lot of Season 6 really came out of left field to me.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at May 24, 2010 9:09 AM

I'm in agreeance with you for the most part, Dan. It was emotionally beautiful, and while I'm a bit annoyed that certain things were just sort of abandoned, and it certainly wasn't perfect by any stretch, or even sensible in parts, I will say that I appreciate that it's hard to connect the dots and get a picture when you keep adding more dots.

Anyway, I'm still tearing up (did anybody see Kimmel afterwards? Matthew Fox was watching that ending along with everyone else, and was kinda choked up when he came out, which I found quite endearing), and I for one can't wait for the DVDs so I can watch it all over again.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 24, 2010 9:09 AM

Even The Sopranos had a better ending!

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:11 AM

"They all wanted their "happy place""

Given Korean cinema, I know those people are kinda fucked up -- but whose happy place involves being kidnapped by Keamey and tortured in a walk-in-freezer?

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:13 AM

Even Punky Brewster had a better ending.

Posted by: Tallsonofagun at May 24, 2010 9:14 AM

Ok, I'm going to say it now before reading the recap or any comments: they had me until the last 15 minutes and then the last 6 years came down to getting to the church on time? Lame.

Posted by: Lee at May 24, 2010 9:15 AM

Great recap, Dan. I agree with you, but I think it became painfully aware this season that there was absolutely no way to neatly tie up everything that Lost started.

I think that the writers are full of crap for saying that they had this all planned from the beginning. Obviously, they did not.

I have been a naysayer this season, really hated most of it, but I really liked the finale. It was cathartic, and in some way vindicated the fact that I absolutely gave up on the mythology a long time ago.

I just feel sorry for all the people who spent so much time constructing theories and timelines when none of that mattered in the end at all.

Posted by: frothygirl at May 24, 2010 9:15 AM

I don't want to come off like one of those people who bitches about LOST and calls it a waste of time (I think it was a fantastic series and definitely worth experiencing) but as I try to come up with my thoughts on the finale it's hard to resist the urge to criticize and point out the weaknesses.

I didn't feel a lot of emotional weight in those "connection" scenes. For me it was like segments from the recap/clip show were sneaking into the actual episode. It felt contrived. I realize it is nearly impossible to find the right emotional chord to say goodbye to a series but for me it's never satisfying when the final episode gets too sentimental and starts to feel like a reunion show before the series has even ended.

For me the ideal conclusion to Lost would have been one where everything (or a lot of things) 'clicked' together and there was a satisfying aha moment where the journey came full circle. This has always been a very geek-friendly show filled with speculation and fan theories trying to find an explanation. I think the finale (and maybe the whole final season) was abandoning the 'head' and just going for the 'heart'.

So we have an ending, and it is an acceptable ending, but it is still kind of disappointing. I think the writers got too caught up in trying to be unpredictable and that caused them to reject things that would have made more sense and would have made for a stronger story because they would have been too easy for the audience to see coming. So instead of a satisfying, logical conclusion we get obfuscation, inconsistency, and non sequitur story developments- seemingly only for the purpose on keeping the audience guessing. The story suffers and gets weaker because of it.

And the climax felt a little bit like a murder mystery where the killer is introduced from left field in the final act. "Oh, you can turn off the light and then just turn it right back on, no biggie." It was kind of a cheap move. (Could anyone go down there and pull the plug if they were willing to die? or only Desmond? So how did Jack turn it back on? There are still too many questions to be satisfied by what happened.)

Like I said: I enjoyed it, I'm glad they made it, I appreciate 100 hours of great TV. I would rather watch an insanely ambitious show with some flaws than the typical meek, formulaic, paint-by-numbers crap most shows offer.

Posted by: Yossarian at May 24, 2010 9:18 AM

Bless you Daniel. Thank you for not swallowing without making a face and saying, "Mmmmm...good!"

I'm just copying what I wrote elsewhere, because it's really all I have to say.

It doesn't even make any sense. They all died at different times, (some before and some after) yet Desmond gathered them all at the same time. So they were all just waiting for Jack?

Don't get me wrong, I still loved the show as a whole, but the ending was a cop-out and a cheat. They're basically saying the whole middle was complete and utter running around bullshit and we're not going to answer any of your questions because we were just running you around the block until we got to the end. Now did I know some of it was running around the block? Yes. But not the whole Godtopus damned thing.

Worst of all, I feel lied to. Whether or not they got by on a technicality (the sideways might be purgatory or a waiting area), they still were dead and something was a staging area for death. If the sideways was purgatory, and the island was "real" (which still makes little sense), they still have a lot of island explaining to do - but they won't. Fuck you Darlton.

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 9:19 AM

Even Superman I had a better ending!

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:23 AM

I agree on the emotional stuff, Yossarian. I am normally the biggest crier when a show like this ends - I was prepared to cry - and yet, not a single tear rolled. (The Six Feet Under finale had me sobbing hysterically.) I got a chill for Sawyer and Juliet, and Charlie always elicits a soft feeling, but that was so completely staged for the sap who would be so overtaken by "sweet" reunions that he/she would ignore the complete and utter mess of an ending.

Again, I won't say the show was bad. I loved the characters and the journey. But there was no resolution. It was a long trip to nowhere.

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 9:25 AM

I think that it might be useful to have a look at a novel by Philip K. Dick called Ubik. It's been a long time since I read the book, so please forgive me if I get some of the details wrong.

In the book, a group of characters get caught in an explosion. Afterwards, their world gets really weird. Most notably, the form of objects revert back to earlier simpler forms, which is a pretty cool plot device. Most of the action takes place in this weird world. In the end, however, it's revealed that the characters actually died in the explosion. They were place in a suspended animation state, yet their minds are still powerful enough, even in death, to form their own new reality together.

So how does this relate to Lost? In the beginning, everybody dies. But, thru an unspecified process, they create their own world. This world hardly functions like the real world. There are a lot of flashbacks, flash-forwards, and flash-sideways. There are some backwaters, like the 1970s-era Dharmaville, and the whole Mother, Brother, Jacob thing. There also some junk floating around in the world, like Nikki and Paulo. Some of the characters are the victims of the crash, and they are the creators of the world. Other characters are merely just creations.

This created world cannot last forever. It's falling apart. The very last bit of this created world is when we see Jack close his eye. It happens at the same moment that Christian opens the door of the church and the white light floods in.

Narrativewise, something like this is just fine for a Dick book. But it's not very satisfying for Lost. It would mean that the L.A. timeline and the Island timeline are part of the same created world. Bottom line, it would mean that absolutely everything was just made-up and had no basis in reality.

Now the cool thing is, I definitely remember seeing a copy of Ubik in one of the many shout-outs. Was it on a bookshelf in the hatch? Or was it in Ben's cabin? Does anybody else remember?

Discuss.

Posted by: Ojo Verde at May 24, 2010 9:27 AM

Having abandoned the show on two separate occasions (mid-second season and the fifth season altogether), I always knew the show was flawed. Once they started using time travel, I knew deep down that a satisfying resolution to the mysteries would be impossible. I tried to talk myself into believing answers were coming, but I was able to let it go. 6 weeks ago? I would've been furious with this finale. Now? Notsomuch. I got what I expected: the characters got their happy ending.

Speaking of characters, I found it interesting that Michael and Walt were ignored. I can reason that Michael being a cold-blooded lady killer precluded him from "moving on," and I guess Walt was too young to fall into the "best time of your life" crowd, but it was interesting. Almost like their absence was a metaphor for the writers basically ignoring all the crazy shit that happened early in the series.

Also, I love how Bucko is so furious that he/she is uncontrollably trolling this thread. Now THAT is a passionate fan I feel sorry for. THAT is the kind of fan that deserved better.

Posted by: Kballs at May 24, 2010 9:34 AM

I am definitely a bit annoyed at having been told for 6 years, "No, no, it's not purgatory, the characters aren't dead! It's totally not that!" and then having it turn out to be pretty much that. (Not quite, but in essence.)

Still, I DID cry (A LOT. There was a lot of mocking on the part of one pseudo-Mr. vB which will require punishment later) at the reunions, even Shannon and Sayid (and Boone, delicious, delicious Boone).

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 24, 2010 9:34 AM

"Everyone's waiting"

I'm not.

Posted by: , at May 24, 2010 9:35 AM

Haven't read everyone else's thoughts, but I am very ambivalent about this. It just felt.....half-done. Like they just went, OH SHIT, the show's ending...NOW wtf do we do? Oh, I know...THEY'RE DEAD!!!!

It was a great episode. I agree that the Jack/Jebus allegory was a bit much (LOVED that Kate thought "Christian Shephard" was a hilarious name....foreshadowing? or bashing-over-the-head?), but, hell, hasn't Jack ALWAYS had a savior complex?

I absolutely cheered when Vincent showed up with Rose & Bernard, and that he laid down with Jack, and when the Unsinkable Lapidus showed up. And, honestly, the reunion/flash that made me bawl my eyes out was Sawyer/Juliet. Beautifully done. And, anyone who has doubted Hurley's talent only had to watch last night to see it on full display. Oh, and Ben gave us one more WTF face.

Still got to process this....with LOST ending and 24 ending tonite, WTF am I gonna be addicted to next fall????

Posted by: dammitjanet at May 24, 2010 9:36 AM

Oh, and your post title? Fabulous. Thank you for NOT including "Breathe Me." I don't wanna cry anymore...

Posted by: dammitjanet at May 24, 2010 9:36 AM

Even my massage at the Oriental salon that got raided had a better ending!

And thanks for your concern, Kballs :)

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:36 AM

Also, I've got to say I hate what they did with Hurley.

His dialogue in this episode was terrible. "Jack, I believe in you, dude." Oh, please. And running around in sideways time to get Sayid reunited with Shannon was ridiculous.

Does he even want to be the new keeper of the island? Stuck there alone for a few millennia, maybe with crazy-ass Ben to keep him company until Ben or someone else starts trying to kill him and takeover the island. What kind of life is that? Who thinks it's an honor to be the greens keeper for that place? It's a shit job, especially for my man Hugo who just wants to hang out with that goofy looking dude, eat chicken, and pine for the cute record store girl. Hurley just wants to have friends and be liked- instead he gets Ben and shit load of responsibility he never asked for (and explicitly stated he didn't want). Kate or Sawyer or Jack or Locke (before he got possessed) or Sayid, or Rose and Bernard would have all been better candidates. Anyone but Hugo.

I like the guy- he's probably my favorite character- but he doesn't seem like he would be happy in that role.

Posted by: Yossarian at May 24, 2010 9:39 AM

I was kinda hoping that when Jack moved the stone back in place (the buttplug to craphole island ???), that he had to place his hand in a hand-shaped cutout on top of the stone to reactivate things. Better yet, an alien-shaped hand. That would have been an awesome cliche.

Posted by: Ojo Verde at May 24, 2010 9:46 AM

Even Who Shot J.R./Mr. Burns? had a better ending!

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 9:47 AM

Mrs. Kballs made a funny when Jack went down to fix the light.

"Well, Jack's tried to get with so many women on this island that he got superexcited when he heard there was another hole to plug."

Posted by: Kballs at May 24, 2010 9:51 AM

Quick, somebody write some fan fiction about Hurley and Ben's island adventures in the years/decades after the finale!

I'll wait.

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 9:53 AM

I thought it was beautiful. I don't give a shit about Dharma, because they were there to exploit the island and never understood the power it held, so they were disposed of. I get it, and I have no problem with it. And I've always felt the story was about the characters and their relationships. I've never felt the show got away from that. It was fun to theorize and talk about the show, but in the end it was the characters that I cared about, and I'm happy they found each other again. I have few questions left (I am perfectly content answering them for myself, I don't need anyone else to supply me with information to help me along), and they just don't seem as important now. In the end it wasn't about the island, it was about them. As it should have been.

Posted by: Kolby at May 24, 2010 9:53 AM

What can I say. I loved it. I am a sucker. I cried from alomost 2 hours of the whole show. I don't mind unanswered questions. I like the spiritual turn the story took. And I like the whole idea that you are reunited with the ones you love. Maybe it is because my grandmother is dying and I am spending time with her that the way the story unfoldered had meaning to me. What really is making me sad is that the story is over. It is like the end of a good book when you are sad you will not get to be with those characters anymore.

Posted by: Texas at May 24, 2010 9:53 AM

I'm laughing my ass off.

All of you who hated the Battlestar Galactica ending just got served.

Revenge is a dish best served in network prime time with an obscene number of annoying commercials.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at May 24, 2010 9:55 AM

One of my favorite parts of the entire run was the "dude" moments... when you are watching and something absolutely fucked happens and you say out loud "DUUUUDE!!!" Of course in the finale there could be no "Dude" moment, as it had to wrap itself all up...
so...
Beginning with the super cheesy and stupid texts that people sent in to the pre-show, a sappy tone was set. This show was built on suspense, sci-fi and fast paced action. The finale had little of all of that. It served as a nice recap with homages to all the great moments of the past but did not connect to the present.
I get that the sideways was the afterlife, but does that mean they all died on the crash? If so how did they all meet each other... I liked Hurley and Ben collaborating. (I have been saying for 4 seasons that Ben is on the side of good)...
I don't get why Ben didn't join the other Losties in the Church...

All said and done... It was a show about characters and their story line ended without ending all the mythology surrounding the show...
Now what...

Posted by: El L Cool J at May 24, 2010 9:56 AM

Ok.. so for someone who gave up after the first season, what was the island and why were they there?

Posted by: Chugga at May 24, 2010 9:58 AM

And I think Jughead was somewhat of a red herring. I mean, yes, it blasted the survivors back to 2007, but I don't think it had anything to do with the Sideways. Christian said ithe Sideways was something THEY had created.

Posted by: Kolby at May 24, 2010 9:58 AM

Jughead was just a way of getting out of the time travel subplot without having to resolve it in any meaningful way.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 10:01 AM

I never watched this show EVER, but I decided to watch the finale to see if people were going to be pissed off like the Sopranos and Seinfeld ones. I knew going in there had been so many characters on the show that they weren't going to be able to tie up all the loose ends. Just from an outsiders point of view, there were too many characters and too many plot lines over the years. It went from something like Castaway with Science Fiction, to Twin Peaks weirdness with Lord of the Flies. Not saying there only needed to be like three people on the island talking to themselves the whole time, but WAY too many characters over the years combined with too much suspenseful science fiction just created a quagmire finale. Maybe if they had a few more episodes to play with.

Posted by: scorzi at May 24, 2010 10:02 AM

Ojo Verde, that would have made much better sense than this ending - and I would have accepted it as more sensible...but...the fact of the matter is that we were purposely led to believe these people weren't dead or in purgatory, and truly they were, and that was always the plan. So the creators, writers, producers, etc. bullshitted and are think they got around lying by saying it wasn't all death or purgatory - but what are we left with? An unexplained island with unexplained mysteries and hanging storylines and plotlines and bullshit time travel that may or may not have occurred.

I'm glad for the people who are satisfied and happy and can look past that. I'm not one of them.

And yes, the Battlestar Galactica ending was miles and miles better, more satisfying and credible than this.

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 10:02 AM

but at least Jughead killed Juliet.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 10:03 AM

The more I think about it, the more I mourn for the DHARMA initiative, or rather the concept thereof.

For me, the mystery of what DHARMA was and what they were up to were the most exciting moments of the show. The Hatch, the numbers, the training films, when Locke found the secret map in the Hatch? Oh man. I guess for me, personally, it got a little too mystical as the years went on. It's the same reason I can't get into the fantasy genre: magic doesn't do shit for me. Give me sci-fi over mysticism any day of the week. The way they slowly doled out information and pulled back the veil on DHARMA was masterful. I just think the show went on a little too long for them to keep it up.

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 10:04 AM

I agree with Paul. Season two is my favorite.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 10:07 AM

umm, seriously... a sawyer and miles cop show is TOTALLY possible.

Posted by: soto at May 24, 2010 10:08 AM

I heard that Ben and Locke are doing a detective show.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 10:11 AM

Cindy, haven't you been saying this whole time that if the Sideways turned out to be the only reality you'd be pissed? And now you're pissed that the island reality turned out the be the only reality? You are confusing me, woman! I mean, shit, everyone dies. All I'm saying is that I wish I could be reunited with people I care about when I go.

Also, I done told you people that everyone was going to die, hee hee. The only part I was wrong about was how and when. Which I'm choosing to believe aren't important details.

Posted by: Kolby at May 24, 2010 10:12 AM

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 10:12 AM

I'm with Kolby on this. Unlike most, I really watched "Lost" more for the characters and less for the mysteries, so I went away pretty happy.

I also thought Hurley was perfect as the role of the island's keeper. It was a very good arc for the character.

Character-wise, there were a few things that felt off. Sawyer really didn't have much of anything to do all season. After Juliet died, he pouted angrily and then just sort of hung around trying to be clever and get off the island. I love Sawyer, but his character arc was over and he just sort of existed, in his own, cool Sawyer way the last season.

The Sayid thing also bugged me a bit, but it always has. His character flip-flopped a lot:

1. At the beginning he was all: "Nadia, Nadia, Nadia, Nadia..."
2. Then he was like: "Oh! Shannon!"
3. Then he went back to being: "Nadia, Nadia, Nadia, Nadia..."
4. Finally, at the end he was back to: "Oh! Shannon!"

His "am I a bad person or good person" arc was much more interesting than his love story arcs.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 24, 2010 10:14 AM

thansk for the link, Paul

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 10:16 AM

Really ?lol.........Just heard that he is ho-oking up with a nice gi-rl on the inter-esting cl-ub called: ____Tallconnect.com____, really ? Sounds it is a famoaus on-line service.

Posted by: Millerma at May 24, 2010 10:17 AM

Cindy

The characters weren't always dead or in purgatory. Everything that happened on the island happened in the real world. The alternate time line where they land safely in LAX is the only part that wasn't real. It was a sort of shared experience/dream/fantasy reuniting everyone that was connected on the island. And it isn't necessarily the afterlife that everyone experiences or the only afterlife that these characters will experience. It was just something that came from their time on the island, probably made possible in part because of the power of the island, that let them all reunite and experience the love they had for each other.

It's the logical conclusion of the oft repeated line 'see you in another life, brother'


Posted by: Yossarian at May 24, 2010 10:18 AM

I agree with this Recap 100%.

Were they going to answer all the questions from previous seasons? No. Of course not. Granted, I would have loved to see Walt's specialness be explained, or Jacob's Cabin, or what have you but I didn't need it.

What I did need, however, was them to answer the only question that really mattered: Why were they chosen to be candidates? Jacob said in that 2nd to last episode, "because you each had flaws and you were all alone". Well first off, this was already BS because Jin and Sun weren't alone. Emotionally distant and in a rocky marriage? Yes. But "ALONE"? No.

Secondly, EVERYONE IN THE FREAKIN EARTH HAS FLAWS.

In fact, my major problem with this last Lost season isn't that it didn't answer enough questions. It's that it answered too many.

If we had never seen the Jacob/Man-In-Black backstory, then we could've left the show up to our own interpretations. That episode single-handedly ruined the show for me. At least when I didn't know who Jacob and MIB were, I could make assumptions and appropriate thematic connections to good and evil, god and the devil, light and dark. But after being shown that they are in fact human beings that crashed on the island...I'm left to let my mind say...but even in the world of LOST, that makes absolutely no sense.

Jimmy Kimmel last night gave his "interpretation" of the LOST finale as thus: "I believe the entire show was Jack's test to get into "heaven" when he died." But we know this is not true because the show itself specifically tells us its not.

Bottomline: If they weren't going to answer all the important questions that fans were dying to know...they don't answer any of them at all. Just do the little callbacks, show us the end, and let us fill in the gaps ourselves.

I for one, will pretend like the last three episodes never really happened.

Posted by: Littlejon2001 at May 24, 2010 10:19 AM

First, thank you to Daniel for your great recaps these past months. They always help me put things into perspective and point out things I may not have noticed upon first watching.

I am still not sure how I feel about this finale. At first I felt cheated and confused. Now, I feel more content though it definitely seemed to be the easy way out for the writers.

The thing that is most frustrating to me is that so many people are going to say that their entire time on the island never happened which is so not the case. Everything we saw with the exception of the sideways timeline really did happen in their lives. I think that the "purgatory" element is what makes it so confusing since people who had not yet died (Kate, Hurley, Desmond, Sawyer) are there and having these moments of clarity. I have chalked it up to being what they WILL see when they die. Here's my proof of why (for those who are in doubt). . .

Did anyone else catch that what Juliet said to Sawyer when they had their moment at the vending machine was almost verbatim what she said to him in her death scene in the first episode of this season? I think she was "seeing" Sawyer at the vending machines then as she was slipping away.

I will be curious to go back and watch this season again. I still love the show and am happy I took the journey. I can't say I'm completely satisfied, but I'm certainly not pissed off.

Posted by: prairiegirl at May 24, 2010 10:20 AM

When Mr. Julien and I were WTFing at the end and trying to figure it out what happened we first looking at is as a limbo world. But thinking that was crazy, we talked our way round to "No, it was that they had to come together to let go in the sideways timeline. It was created by the Incident and they had to acknowledge it was not right and release themselves from it. By doing so they would make a choice and accept their destinies in keeping with the shows primary themes." That theory worked by giving the characters their respective reunions and glimpses of a happier existence. Sayid went with Shannon because he finally understood from Hurley that he alone could decide what kind of man he was and the relationship with Nadia was enmeshed in the past and Sayid needed a future. The characters would have to accept their respective fates for better or worse and let go and accept the real world. If Mr. Julien and I could figure that out in 20 minutes of chatting on the couch, why couldn't the Lost creators have worked that out after six years? I am calling the Bullshit! to end all Bullshit!

The official explanation for the alternate world makes no kind of sense!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 10:21 AM

The finale left me emotionally wrought, so it succeeded on that level. I welled up during the Sawyer + Juliet reunion, Claire + Charlie reunion, & Jack's death. I'll have to rewatch it; I think the music cues & editing really sold those 2 reunion scenes. Alas, there's just so much that I don't understand. The explanation of the alt-reality seems to allow for interpretation, but then again, they did come right out with "It's the afterlife, now move on & go back to the Source." I suppose the idea of a collective, singular reality that exists b/w physical reality & the Source is pretty cool, but cripes, what a disappointing approach. LOST has had this relationship with the fanbase where the fans have adequately filled in the blanks, especially for the more metaphysical mysteries, but this just seems like a big swerve into creation mythology. The conclusion of the on-island plot was underwhelming as a world-ending scenario (faucet off, shoot Locke, faucet on), & equally underwhelming were the mechanics of the Source: golden light, water, stone cork, & red light. I really, really hope that there's a forthcoming, revised Theory Of Everything to which I can subscribe; I'm just not captivated enough, & far too confused, to build my own.

Posted by: the new transported man at May 24, 2010 10:25 AM

P.S. And having done that or allowed that as the explanation they would not have had to change anything except a couple of lines of dialogue for the entire season!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 10:27 AM

Kolby and Yossarian

The island time was real, I get that - but real what? The creators, producers, writers are trying to get away with not explaining anything about or on the island because all that matters is that they all went to the magic waiting area.

Kolbs, yes, I was going to be seriously pissed last night if the sideways turned out to be their Disney real lives. It would have been extremely unsatisfying to have them all popped into a new world where everything turned mostly rosy and they were all better people...happy and in love. But this is a cop out too. It's not any better and it may be worse. They're not dead and they're not in purgatory - well yes, congratulations on getting by on a technicality - but really, that's what it came down to.

There is no sense to the whole island thing. That was "real"? Real what? A real magic island? Again, when did someone decide they'd meet somewhere?

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 10:27 AM

So it turns out Lost was way more straightforward than any of us could ever imagine. Most all the of the theorizing was for naught, especially the last season which turned out to be nothing more than an elaborate way to give an audience closure. Huh.

Posted by: kelsy at May 24, 2010 10:32 AM

That kinda would have made some sense Ojo Verde,

It would have been even more interesting to make it a three finger (4 including the thumb) hand. At least that would give SOME sort of explanation to the 4 toed statue foot was all about.

Posted by: Dangerous Dave at May 24, 2010 10:32 AM

I didn't hate the end...but I didn't exactly like it. The resolution of that sideways (which I did hate from the beginning) made everything all happy happy (and yes, I got a little teary from some of it. I really wanted Sawyer and Jack to end up happy, and in a way, they did. Eloise Hawking afraid that her son would have to go made me sad, because that moment when she shot her own son, and she was the one who sent him back...that really blew me away at the time. And Vincent staying with Jack when he died is still kinda getting to me. Good boy, Vincent! snif!) But the whole "we made the reality so we could go together into the light" stuff...eh, I dunno. I'm a little underwhelmed. Based on the bodies laying around the Pool of Golden Light, some others had gone down there at one point or another, so obviously there are many many Lost stories to tell - I think I would have liked the idea that this story with Jack and co. was just one of many, like the end of a chapter, not the whole book. But the end was engineered only to really use these few characters, and that's it. And these people, while I liked hanging out with them a lot, were not the beginning and end of this island thing. I didn't care about going into the light so much as finding out about the island, which we didn't. But that's probably for the best - I haven't been satisfied with one "answer" we've been given, so it might as well have ended in a church, why not? I really liked this series, and I'm glad Jack could go out as a hero. And I knew it would be Hurley. Love me some Hurley. :)

Posted by: Chickaboom at May 24, 2010 10:34 AM

Bottom Line:

They creators did not trust their own creation.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 10:36 AM

And they didn't trust the audience either.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 10:39 AM

All of you who hated the Battlestar Galactica ending just got served.

Bwuaha.

Posted by: Gabs at May 24, 2010 10:40 AM

There’s a beauty to mystery that’s impossible to deny. Sometimes, it’s more alluring to luxuriate in a state of confusion than to actually find an answer to your questions.

Yes, like watching a magician work. You want to know the answers, the secrets, but if you found them out, the show would be ruined and boring. As many questions as I had for this show, I accepted that leaving the mysteries would ultimately be more satisfying.

Mr Carlson, let me say I am almost as sad to reach the end of your eloquent recaps as I am the end of the show. Thank you for your work and your dedication.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 24, 2010 10:43 AM

I generally agree with you, Daniel. I figured out pretty quickly that there was no way they could answer all the questions unless they just sat there and explained everything for two and a half hours (and I'm not sure that would've been long enough). I don't really mind that they chose simply to let the story play out.

The sideways stuff being the afterlife does annoy the hell out of me, though, because it was an unnecessary waste of time. If I believe in the concept of an afterlife, or choose to believe that such a thing exists in the "Lost" world, then I don't need to be told that Jin and Sun, for example, will be together there. I can imagine that myself.

It doesn't completely invalidate the show as a whole, like the "Battlestar Galactica" finale did. But it does invalidate half of the sixth season, which seems pointless.

Posted by: Todd at May 24, 2010 10:47 AM

And they didn't trust the audience either.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 10:39 AM

Well, based on some of the speculation I have heard from some of their audience (present company excluded, of course), they were right not to trust them.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 24, 2010 10:47 AM

Amen, Forbiddendonut. Amen.

Posted by: Kolby at May 24, 2010 10:53 AM

To me, it felt like they tried to shove every single OTP down our throats to distract us from the loads of bullshit they were spewing. Very disappointing, but, not unexpected after the mess of the last two seasons.

Posted by: Dudleys Mom at May 24, 2010 10:53 AM

I'm just glad that it didn't end with a montage set to "Time Of Your Life." barf.

Posted by: the new transported man at May 24, 2010 10:56 AM

There’s a beauty to mystery that’s impossible to deny. Sometimes, it’s more alluring to luxuriate in a state of confusion than to actually find an answer to your questions.

Yes, like watching a magician work. You want to know the answers, the secrets, but if you found them out, the show would be ruined and boring. As many questions as I had for this show, I accepted that leaving the mysteries would ultimately be more satisfying.


Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 24, 2010 10:43 AM

I totally agree, Patty.

For example, even when people got an explanation: "The Numbers correspond with the numbers in Jacob's lighthouse for each of the candidates", they either seemed to ignore/forget about the explanation or didn't think it was enough.

I think the only "guidelines" we can take away regarding the Island are:

The island was a place of mysterious power.

It had a light at its Heart that seemed to be the source of its power and very important.

If the island was destroyed, a great evil would be unleashed/get out into the world.

Those are some pretty broad concepts and pretty much everything else is left for folks to fill in the blanks.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 24, 2010 10:59 AM

Even Christa McAuliffe had a better ending!

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 10:59 AM

I didn't care for the ending. It was an ending, it just wasn't a very good one. But it's just a TV show, I don't feel betrayed or anything, just slightly disappointed. I actually hoped that the L.A. timeline was what would have happened if things had gone better for the people involved and the whole "save the island" thing would have turned back time or something so that none of those people got on the plane or it didn't crash or something... I can't necessarily come up with a better ending than the writers did, but then, I haven't been working on it for years. Given years, I think I could come up with a better ending.

Oh well, long-running TV shows seem largely incapable of coming up with decent series endings. They usually fuck it up by trying to be clever or gimmicky.

Posted by: Slash at May 24, 2010 11:00 AM

Oh, BUCKO. Now that just ain't right.

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 24, 2010 11:01 AM

Two things:

1. The Master of WTF Shows remains David Lynch.

2. The Masterpiece remains Twin Peaks.

Fucking your shit up doesn't take six seasons, bitches.

Posted by: gunnertec at May 24, 2010 11:02 AM

What happened here is pretty simple. They always knew Jack and everyone would be dead. The problem is, everyone in the audience figured out right away that the island had to be death or purgatory or some sort of afterlife. The show became a hit, definitely because of the great actors and characters, but also because everyone wanted to see what the island was. Then at season's end, they take us off on that magical island mystery tour. They realize they have to stretch it out and that the island being death/purgatory/afterlife was too easily solved - so they have to come up with a way to make that particular scenario untrue. Poof! Let's make a sideways! OK, so you skirt around that. Only now, you've sucked everyone into the whole island mythology thing and you have no credible way to tie it up or answer most of the questions you posed. Oh, no worries, we'll just smother everyone with emotions and drop all that island mystery stuff.

They can't have it both ways. Well, they can, but some of us out here aren't going to be happy about it. It's not a resolution. As much as people joined for the characters and their journeys, people also wanted those journeys to make some sort of sense. It could have been a made up world in Jack's mind or someone else's - fine. But they denied that too. They should have kept their mouths shut with all the denying. Then people could all have crowed about how smart they were in figuring it out, and there would have been some sense. They could have rounded up all the Dharma stuff as hospital testing before Jack died or something. I just can't buy that the island was a reality with no explanation whatsoever for that reality.

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 11:07 AM

Also, the "they're dead, they just don't know it yet" or "they're dead, but they can't move on because they have unresolved issues" thing is - pun intended - done to death.

The ending was hackneyed and lazy. Almost anything else would have been better. A weird dream, a coma, something. This "walk into the light" bullshit was exactly what someone suggested above - "Touched by an Angel" with better writing.

Posted by: Slash at May 24, 2010 11:11 AM

@bucko: i fantasize about keamy doing naughty things to me all the time. in a freezer-wherever.

also, i'm never watching tv again. i'm far too frustrated with that abortion of an ending.

Posted by: meh at May 24, 2010 11:15 AM

Would everyone please stop talking about the BSG finale? Some of us are still working our way through and would like to not have it ruined. I know. My fault for being late but I keep having to try to skim comments.

Posted by: sara at May 24, 2010 11:16 AM

When Vincent lay down with Jack at the end, I lost it.

Whatever else happened, the dog lived, and that was enough for me.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at May 24, 2010 11:22 AM

But Vincent didn't make it to church.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 11:29 AM

So, all dogs DON'T go to heaven?

Posted by: Kballs at May 24, 2010 11:32 AM

Maybe Vincent died in the crash and Smokey was just using his body. Lying down next to Jack was really just a way to gloat.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 11:34 AM

Dogs don't have souls. Vincent was just waiting for Jack to die so he could start eating him.

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 11:37 AM

IIIIIIIIIITTTT'S BACON!!!!!!!!!

No, it's Jack.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 11:41 AM

Also, I assumed that MIB would have a huge reveal about his name, and it never happened... so, wth? That just feels like they forgot...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 24, 2010 11:45 AM

Wayne Coyne as always has all the answers. Well, not an answer per se, but quite fitting:

As I walked along
The supposed golden path
I was confronted
By a mysterious specter
he pointed to the graveyard
over on yonder hill
I paused in cosmic reflection
confused and wondering.
Of how I came to die to die... (to fade)
Hmmm I was confused
For if I was dead
how and why did I die?
but I composed myself
and decided I should face him
But I stood paralyzed
on the supposed golden path.
and I was confronted
by a powerful demon force
and they said it was the devil
and when he spoke his words flowed like glowing lava
from the mouth of a volcano
and I said help me lord ( to fade)
I found myself in some kind of hell
but I did not believe in a
Heaven and hell world of opposite’s kind of reality
and I gained control of myself
and I decided to press on
and as I walked along the supposed golden path
I was trembling with fear all the lions and wizards yet to come.
I seen in the distance silver mountains rising high and the clouds
and voice from above did whisper some shining answer from the womb.
Please forgive me I never meant to hurt you

Posted by: Adere at May 24, 2010 11:46 AM

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 11:49 AM

I didn't write this, but it's fitting:

It's about the connections you make, not the answers. It's about the babies born, the friendships made, the parent you reconcile with, the faithful dog lying by your side. How lucky we are to experience some of these things. I think the show and the creators just wanted to remind us of that, and I was.

Posted by: Kolby at May 24, 2010 12:06 PM

I like it and god knows I cried my fair share of times last night...but I'm siding with Daniel. I think that the ending raised a lot of questions about the importance of characters and plots in relation to how it all ended.

I'm assuming that we now know that Ana Lucia wasn't ready to accept her death and move on to the other world but then why weren't other members of Oceanic there like Eko who also died along with Ana Lucia on the island? What happened to Rose and Bernard? You can't tell me that they're still alive on the island after Hurley and Ben have died and gone on. What about Lapidus and Richard? Why aren't they dead yet? See, these are the things I don't understand. I think that was Lost's greatest flaw. They introduced too many characters that appeared important but really weren't and the ending did nothing to clear it up. I can deal with not really knowing what the light was on the island, but not this. As for what the light is? I take it as privelledged information. Like only those who choose to protect it can really know.

As for Walt? I posted this a couple episodes ago on here but I don't think his purpose was a huge part of Lost. I think he was so "special" in the first season because much how like Jacob and MIB were abducted by Mother when they were babies so they could later protect the island, Walt was young when the other tries to abduct him. Maybe it's easier for someone to take on the responsibility of protecting the island when they can be taught from a young age and secluded from evil and corruption. They were all innocent and untouched.

So in the end I'm still a little confused. I wasn't naive enough to believe that every little loose end would be cleared up but those that weren't are nagging at me a bit.

Also, MIB was a pretty kick ass character and his death was a bit of a letdown. I was picturing something a bit more spectacular.

Posted by: citizen_cris at May 24, 2010 12:06 PM

You know what, I love this site and all of you people, but fuck negativity.

Daniel, I greatly appreciate you doing this recaps for us, they are wonderful. But holy shit can you guys complain. All of you. It's so exhausting. What we had last night was a way to to wrap up the stories for all the characters, so we could get some emotional closure. Are there plot holes and missing explanations? Sure. Did it live up to being the best show on earth, giving us a spectacular finale that tied everything together? no. Accept it for its flaws and move the fuck on. All of you have for so many other shows. SIx feet under was an a amazing show that had a fulfilling ending. But seasons 2-5 were all about people having sex and leaving glaring questions unanswered (why the hell did Nate become a quaker, Why are all the characters so whiny?). Even the sopranos, which everyone loves, got knocked for an ending that was really well done.

I came into Lost late in the game (season 4) and after having watched each episode at least twice I can say this was a great ending. You can balk all you want at the producers saying "this is a character driven show." But in reality it is. This show was all about the characters. Yeah, there were some cool mysteries and ideas being thrown around. That helped attract a fan base as well. But what kept people coming back were the emotional, character driven moments. You can scoff all you want, but looking back through Daniel's recaps, some of the most important moments he touches on, what makes the show powerful, are character moments. So we didn't get all the mysteries answered, thats what's great about shows like lost, they leave it up to interpretation. I would have hated it have they spelled everything out for me at the end. That would have been boring and unfaithful to lost.

Furthermore, one shortcoming on this site, is that we as a community can be a little pretentious. We're snobs and claim to be proud of it. Well guess what, there are other people watching this show. People who don't meticulously break down everything about a piece of media and get pissed when the creators don't present something equal to our level of intelligence. I think what the creators did was wonderful, not cheap or half done. They crafted an ending that was accessible to everyone. The ending was all about closure for the characters, and I am thankful for it.

As for this alternate universe that everyone is complaining about. Give it a rest. So what if its not the most original idea ever. Yeah, they ended up in a purgatory like state where they could find each other again. I think everyone is digging way to deep into this. I don't think the bomb created that timeline, or any kind of event did. I think the characters did need it to move on. That place was created for them to come together, but also for them to reflect on their lives and what they had done. Some of them found redemption, had a better life, and were able to forgive themselves for what they had done (Sawyer, Sayid). Others weren't quite ready yet, sot they stayed behind (Ben). But the people who went into the church were ready to move on because they were with the most important people in their lives, and they were ready to let go. Lost has been a show that has welcomed all religions, exploring them all and never giving into one sure belief. This episode finished that tradition in a wonderful way.

I loved how this ended on a funeral. It came full circle from the beginning to give Jack what he needed to move on. He never got to have his fathers funeral in the beginning, and this show was a lot about Jack. So what a great way to bring everyone together that influenced his life and let him find closure in the things he had done.

I'm sorry that you people feel cheated by this ending, but you should get over it. You but way to many expectations on the show, and it could never live up to them. Not everyone can be happy, I get that. But it's just not right to dump all of this negativity on a show that we have come to love for six years. A show that really was all about the characters. A flawed show that I will truly miss.

Posted by: Zach at May 24, 2010 12:08 PM

No, Vincent wasn't at the church because dogs never die. They live forever.

I'll ignore anyone who tries to tell me differently.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at May 24, 2010 12:08 PM

The finale wasn't perfect. Neither was the show. But I really enjoyed both.

The more I think about it, the more I like the ending and how it focused more on the resolution for the characters and less on the mysteries.

Looking back on LOst, my favorite scenes are all about the characters. Charlie drowning. Desmond's phone call. Jack and Locke arguing about faith. Hurley and Miles' dialogue. Sawyer and Juliet's relationship. Jack's obsession with trying to fix things.

I can tell you it wasn't the scene where Ghost Michael explained the whispers. Or where Jacob explained that "The Numbers" corresponded with the numbers for the candidates in his Lighthouse.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at May 24, 2010 12:12 PM

I agree with you Zach. I really do like how it ended with the funeral. Because for Jack, it was all about finally moving on from the death of his father. It began with a death and finally ended with the burial.

I also love how Jack's death was handled, laying to die in that bamboo field with Vincent at his side. It was emotional and touching and I thought it had great closure.

And I just wanted to say thank you Danile for the recaps, they were always the highlight of my day. It was a pleasure seeing it from your perspective.

Posted by: citizen_cris at May 24, 2010 12:14 PM

Not to sound like an oldey oldster, but, during the last fifteen minutes of the show I kept thinking of Quantum Leap’s season ending. That show gave us an omnipotent figure providing resolution by providing Sam a purpose for his leaps in a grander scheme of things and the knowledge that Sam never stops leaping. A sense of a higher purpose and knowledge that this is not the end of the story, both of which seemed to be mishandled by the Lost creators.

Posted by: halesonearth at May 24, 2010 12:16 PM

...what do you mean, "you people"?

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 24, 2010 12:20 PM

I like the callback to the Six Feet Under finale in your post title. I was surprised by how much this finale reminded me of that one.

Posted by: the essence of fanciness and class at May 24, 2010 12:23 PM

"If we had never seen the Jacob/Man-In-Black backstory, then we could've left the show up to our own interpretations. That episode single-handedly ruined the show for me. At least when I didn't know who Jacob and MIB were, I could make assumptions and appropriate thematic connections to good and evil, god and the devil, light and dark. But after being shown that they are in fact human beings that crashed on the island...I'm left to let my mind say...but even in the world of LOST, that makes absolutely no sense."

- Littlejon2001

Yes! That's what I've been trying to say, but never said it so well. I really didn't care that much about Jacob or MIB. I liked it better when it was Locke vs. Eko, Jack vs Locke, and Ben vs. Widmore. It would have been nice to maintain the stories of the relationships that had been established for 5 years instead of over-explaining the smoke monster and Jacob. I never cared about what the smoke monster was. I just really wanted this Others/Losties/Dharma stuff worked out.

Oh well.
Still the best television show I had the pleasure to experience.

Posted by: kayla at May 24, 2010 12:24 PM

Zach, Lost is my favorite TV show ever, warts and all! I wouldn't be talking about it if I didn't care so damn much.

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 12:28 PM

Oopsy, Paul, my work web-block won't let me see the link. I will have to check it out at home later...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at May 24, 2010 12:28 PM

OK I'll post my own rant here, then my answers to comments I read after the recap:

It's weird, this finale.

I absolutely loved the way the episode was handled, but I ALSO agree with your points that it felt like a cop-out.

Thing is, I REALLY wasn't expecting these writers to pull out an incredible, all-expansive, all-containing finale that would explain everything.

I've said it again and again: these writers are NOT that good. They kept saying that they knew what they were doing, but we knew better. Anyone who didn't was blind to the obvious mistakes that were made during the show's run. I had a feeling, from the second they killed Widmore (who had connections ot just about everything and everyone on the Island and what had happened in it) that we wouldn't get a lot of answers. And as the episode ran on with a LOT of action and not a lot of talking, I was sure of it.

So. My conclusion is what I've always thought, and how I've always watched Lost: It's unbelievably fun, but massively flawed, and it's full of fantastic moments and letdowns.

Even if I loved the episode (I keep remembering how HAPPY John Locke looked and my heart breaks) , I'm not gonna forget everything that wasn't explained for lack of time or planning. But...I'm just glad it's over and that these people got to see each other again in the end. It was beautifully done, but absolutely cowardly of the writers. But then again, I never thought they were that brave to begin with.

I think the way we each feel about the finale really corresponds to how we felt about the show in general. What do you think?

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 12:32 PM

Whenever anybody complains about "negativity," they deserve a cock punch. If only for being hypocritical.

It's scathing reviews for bitchy people, Zach. If you don't want to read bitchiness, go to another website.

Posted by: Slash at May 24, 2010 12:33 PM

what are we left with? An unexplained island with unexplained mysteries and hanging storylines and plotlines and bullshit time travel that may or may not have occurred.

Yeah, pretty much. It doesn't bug me as much, because I still loved it and they clearly bit off more than they could chew. And I never really expected that there was an underlying answer to the mystery. But yeah. That's pretty much it.

To me, it was a magical island with extraordinary powers that did some really weird shit to people. It contained a massive amount of evil energy, and people kept wanting to use it, but to use it would be bad. It was this sort of...bermuda-triangle-meets-atlantis-meets-uh-other-stuff. I don't know, I never expected to find out WHAT the Island was. It was just THERE, fucking people up for life.

They should have kept their mouths shut with all the denying. Then people could all have crowed about how smart they were in figuring it out, and there would have been some sense.:

I COULD NOT AGREE MORE. From day ONE I said that they should just shut the fuck up about it. If the SHOW ITSELF couldn't show me, then it wasn't worth knowing. The producers fucked up big time and really sunk their own show.

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 12:37 PM

"I can tell you it wasn't the scene where Ghost Michael explained the whispers. Or where Jacob explained that "The Numbers" corresponded with the numbers for the candidates in his Lighthouse."

The problem is that it SHOULD HAVE BEEN those moments, but they were handled so fucking awkwardly. It almost seemed like the writers were angry that the audience demanded answers to the questions that the writers themselves posed. The writers didn't have those answers, and instead of sticking to their guns and letting it stay a mystery, they give out half-assed "answers" with a sneer as an aside, forcing the audience into, "you call that an answer, you motherfuckers" mode, which then gives the writers license to claim the show wasn't about the mysteries in the first place, and if you don't like the answers we give you, tough shit.

Easy way out.

Posted by: Bucko at May 24, 2010 12:42 PM

OK one last giant one:

You know what really just killed me last night?

I was hoping against everything that the Sideways Timeline would be the one, because god some of these people died some terribly cruel, unfair deaths. They were fucked around with an manipulated and USED by these two 'powers' that wanted nothing more than to beat the other. Sure, Jacob just wanted to protect the Island and the world, but at the cost of...well, everybody. It was a horrible fate, and even though it would've been bad for the show itself, I WANTED their lives to be happy. I WANTED John Locke to have his second chance.

But, dead is dead. They made their choices. Sometimes other people made them for the characters. "What we do in life echoes in eternity" and all that bullshit. So Michael couldn't forgive himself so he was left on the Island (in the post-show Harold Perrineau said as much).

And oh god. When I remember Locke's face in the church? he looked so happy! Like we hadn't seen him in years and years. And John LOCKE who gave everything for this Island...it was the best time of his life and just...he DIED because of this FUCKER. And he had such a horrible life and...oh god I'm just gonna start sobbing again because JOHN LOCKE, DAMMIT.

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 12:43 PM

Slash,

I get that, I know that this site is all about "bitchiness". I realized afterwards the hypocritical nature of that post. I support bitchiness, its needed.

However, I'm just frustrated that people are shitting all over this show that we have all loved for so long. The negativity I'm talking about is people not finding any joy in anything at all. Get upset, and complain about the problems of the show.It was flawed, and there are hundreds of things the show could have done better. But also realize that this finale did do some great things. It's possible to be bitchy and find some joy (Daniel was getting at that in his review)

And a cock punch, really? That seems a little harsh.

Posted by: Zach at May 24, 2010 12:44 PM

i agree with Zach and Forbiddendonut.

The best, BEST moments were when the characters on this show would all reunite (whether they were seperated by either being on opposite ends of the island, being on/off the island, or decades in time), and remind us that it's not the crazy mysteries of the universe that we are ultimately searching for - it is the people who have helped us become who we are.

it was a very lovely six years.

Posted by: Smiley at May 24, 2010 12:45 PM

They best be glad I watched that shit stanking drunk or else I would be REAL pissed off. The $9.99 bottle of HEB champagne saved my t.v. from a rock.

Posted by: sparkle at May 24, 2010 12:46 PM

Sayid went with Shannon because he finally understood from Hurley that he alone could decide what kind of man he was and the relationship with Nadia was enmeshed in the past and Sayid needed a future."

-Cindy

Sayid's relationship with Shannon was also enmeshed in the past. I never really got Sayid's love life. I always had the impression that Nadya was his one and only true love but Shannon helped him get over her for a while. I was surprised to see him all crazy over Shannon like that in the end. But like someone said above, Sayid was always a great character because of his internal conflicts. His best moments had nothing to do with either woman.

Posted by: kayla at May 24, 2010 12:46 PM

As the man said, I'm still digesting as well. I used to be one of those people who needed answers to The Mysteries. I wanted all those WTF moments. In season 6, I realized that we weren't going to get much in the way of explanation. Then I realized that it really doesn't matter. I don't need to see the man behind the curtain... But I can see why most people might. They made promises that they could not possibly keep.

I absolutely agree with Carlson, though... In my opinion, LOST had 2 sides- the character-driven side, and the mystery-side. The latter was pretty much completely ignored in the end. They explain all of the time travel, all of the funky Dharma shit, the Cabin, Hurley Bird, the ruins/temple/statue, etc by simply saying the island has a light in it's heart that, if extinguished, would mean Bad Things? Not good enough. Eventually, you've got to let the audience get the carrot.

And that's why LOST will never be a complete show.

The character side of the equation, though, was done exceedingly well, in my opinion, but even that is going to be completely divisive. People are always going to read into the minutia of the show, and just not take things at face value, which is what I think the producers are asking us to do. Read a transcript of the Christian/Jack dialogue... It explains the ALT. Just don't over-think it.

In the end, I think it's about redemption, letting go of the past, and moving on... and it has been from the beginning. That's what makes sense to me, what ties it together. gotta love LOST- divisive and thought provoking to the last.

Posted by: logar at May 24, 2010 12:50 PM

Character is important because you have to care about them. But, plot is more important. Plot is the REASON we have to care about the characters. To place the characters above the story is like caring for your child for the purpose of helping them succeed in life. We want our children to succeed in life BECAUSE we care about them. If the entire series had been more character driven I could see this being a satifying ending. But, the plot is what drove this story more than anything. And, in a plot driven story (or any story, for that matter) the climax is supposed to answer the questions that were proposed during the body of the story. I don't recall ever asking "What is going to happen after they all die?" I never cared about that. So the final point was, "in heaven you get to see people from your past, again"? Great! So, now back to the story. Finish the story. Sure, this had some great moments, but I was highly dissatisfied. This episode made the entire series about last season instead of wrapping up the series. I didn't get into Lost until last summer when my wife and I rented the DVDs one after the other, so I'm not nearly as invested as many of you. But, if I were the freinds I've had over the years who wouldn't give me the time of day because Lost was on and we lived in pre-DVR days (*shutter*) I'd be pretty damn pissed.

Posted by: Kyle Martin at May 24, 2010 12:52 PM

I credited a quote to Cindy for some reason... but it was actually Mrs. Julien.

Posted by: kayla at May 24, 2010 12:53 PM

I like that, logar. It was just not a 'complete' show. It was incredibly fun to watch and even more fun to talk about. But it was far from the 'best of all time' (like some people I know are saying) and I understand why so many people abandoned it.

(It's because they're pussies.)

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 12:57 PM

Also, did the Harold Parrineau have a dust up with the producers? Why wasn't he in the finally? Surely his character earned the right to be in the After-life survivor reunion if Boone and Whatsherface were there? His absence completely took me out. OR Walt? WTF?

Posted by: Kyle Martin at May 24, 2010 12:59 PM

Thanks Kayla - I'm just grateful someone read it.

I know you weren't endorsing it, but I thought my theory about letting
go of the accidentally created sideways timeline was pretty spiffy. They
would have had to change so little and it would have made more sense.
And then, as Logar said, it would be a complete show.

I'm right so emphatically even when I'm wrong.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 1:09 PM

I urge anybody feeling bitter or cheated about anything Lost-related to take two of these and call me in the morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de8h27wsxpY

Posted by: Paul Southworth at May 24, 2010 1:14 PM

Overall, not the best show of all time, and probably not of this decade.

But I'll be damned if some of the best episodes of television come out of LOST. 'The Constant', I believe, is still the kick-ass-est episode of all time...

Zach is right, you guys complain way too much.

Posted by: BAM at May 24, 2010 1:15 PM

Citizen, Rose and Bernard were in the church with the others. We just didn't see them getting there.

Posted by: Drake at May 24, 2010 1:18 PM

Oh, PAUL. Why you wanna make me tear up at work?

...you know, MORE?

Posted by: Anna von Beaversmack at May 24, 2010 1:20 PM

First of all, thank you Dan for your wonderful recaps that I look forward to almost as much as 'Lost' itself each work.

As for the finale, I loved it with no apologies. As usual, Kolby, I'm on the same page with you as to what this show is about and you said it far better than I could. This show is about the characters as much as it is about the mysteries, and quite frankly I don't want every last thing spelled out for me. I think they gave us a lot information to solving the bigger mysteries of the island, and some will remain unsolved and I'm ok with that. Like Dan said, there's beauty in mystery and I think if they tried to explain everything, people would be even angrier (if it's possible) than they are now.

Anyways, the highlights for me were Jin and Sun remembering their life and Locke's forgiving of Ben. Figgy, I know you mentioned wanting a better ending for Locke and I am so with you on that, his real life end was one of the saddest things ever, and Jin and Sun were reunited about 10 minutes before dying together. So while they all had tragic real life endings, I liked that they got some peace in the hereafter.

"No, it was that they had to come together to let go in the sideways timeline. It was created by the Incident and they had to acknowledge it was not right and release themselves from it. By doing so they would make a choice and accept their destinies in keeping with the shows primary themes." That theory worked by giving the characters their respective reunions and glimpses of a happier existence. - Mrs. Julien

I really like your explanation on that one, Mrs. Julien, and I think it still fits with how the show presented it. I didn't view the sideways as Purgatory necessarily (Purgatory still involved punishment for sins in your life) but as their own ending, a place for just those people whos lives were so intertwined by their time on the island.

This post has gotten much longer than I intended and perhaps I'm just rambling at this point, but my point is this: I was satisfied with the way in which we were able to say farewell to the Losties, whom I have loved for 6 years, and I treasure the journey we went on, even if it wasn't a perfect one. The final scene with Jack and watching his close his eyes in the same place he awoke on the island, well that was a beautiful image to me and I loved it. Farewell, Lost.

Posted by: Even Stevens at May 24, 2010 1:30 PM

I think the way we each feel about the finale really corresponds to how we felt about the show in general. What do you think?

I disagree. I loved this show beyond belief - and that's half of why I'm so disappointed with the finale. It doesn't wash away the rest of the show, but it leaves one with a very bad taste in her mouth.

Figgy, I am glad to see you seeing some of the other side of things at least. You didn't drink that Kool-Aid down to the last drop, did you?

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 1:32 PM

I was hoping MiB would kill Kate...that's all, but that bitch living longer than everyone else? Plus, why does the Negro have to be stuck on the Island? I am burning LOST from my memory, literally, I set the oven on 475. See you all in the next life/sideways reality/collectively created purgatory whatever.

Posted by: Gamal at May 24, 2010 1:43 PM

I still say all of this took place in Vincent's doggy dream.....

Posted by: dammitjanet at May 24, 2010 1:44 PM

Well, damn if I didn't cry a ton of snotty little bitch tears through the finale. Like so many have said, it was emotionally satisfying. The rest, not so much. I don't like being told for six years that everything is meticulously plotted out, only to have every single one of those plots fall to the wayside in favor of endless reunions and a walk into white light. There were so many things I was looking forward to seeing answered, and absolutely none of them were (the vaccines? pregnant women dying on the island? the statue? Jacob's cabin and the function of the ash circle? Who asked John to "help him" before Ben shot him? What exactly was Ben working for? Who was that skeleton in the cave of light? Wasn't Aaron supposed to have some great evil hanging around him? Why did using the numbers curse Hurley? Who was shooting the flaming arrows that killed so many of the survivors when the time travel started? and so on). While I enjoyed watching the show immensely throughout the years, I will not be re-watching it on DVD, because I know now whenever something interesting pops up, I will never learn the answer to it. And no, I don't need answers to everything, but some things were built up deliberately, and then forgotten, and it pisses me off.

Plus I just didn't get it. If it's the afterlife, and time doesn't matter, what determines your age when you get there? Is Aaron stuck in baby form for all eternity? Presumably he lived and was raised by Claire/Kate, so why wouldn't he be older, aside from the fact that we wouldn't recognize him? Is Christian always going to be older? Where is everyone's siblings, spouses, children? You're telling me they're less important than the other crash survivors? If Ben doesn't go into that church, where does he go? Sayid and Shannon end up together? Are you fucking kidding me? After all the fuss over Nadia? WTF is up with Jack's son? Neither he nor Juliet gave him a second thought.

Also, the reunion/clip sequences were so frequent, with the same (albeit touching) music playing, that it bordered on parody near the end.

And Dominic, whoever told you you looked good with a shaved head LIED, honey. I'm OK with the eyeliner though.

Posted by: DeadBessie at May 24, 2010 1:48 PM

At least is wasn't the Bermuda Triangle.

Did they ever explain the creepy kid Walt?


I watched Season 1, part of 2 and last night. I tried to watch once about two years and found myself muttering "WTF? what is going ON?" non-stop.

I think people are too hung up on the physical. Some died on the island, some years later but in the after life they look like their island selves which was apparently too confusing for some.

Posted by: bananapanda at May 24, 2010 1:56 PM

I can't agree more w/ the Mitch Albom reference at the end. The way the show concluded I thought Albom snuck into ABC studios and wrote the script for the finale. I'm not exactly crushed how things ended, but like Dan I'm ambivalent to say the least. I wouldn't say the ending was a cop out, but the final scene's abstract spirituality did not do much for me.

Posted by: stryker1121 at May 24, 2010 1:57 PM

Mrs. Julien, I actually like your theory and it's the way I had interpreted the finale myself. I think it fits.

Posted by: kayla at May 24, 2010 2:12 PM

Hmmm...I think I worded the question wrong but really can't articulate it properly. Not right now anyway, I'm so tired. I barely slept last night.

But I AM seeing both sides now. I understand how you feel (though I completely disagree that any of it was "useless"), I just feel differently. So I definitely did not drink all that Kool-Aid !

It was a lot of tequila.

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 2:15 PM

"I will not be re-watching it on DVD, because I know now whenever something interesting pops up, I will never learn the answer to it. And no, I don't need answers to everything, but some things were built up deliberately, and then forgotten, and it pisses me off."
-Dead Bessie

Yeah, me too. I don't think I'm going to rewatch anytime soon. I'll be reminded of all the good little mysterious stuff and get sad that I still don't know wtf was going on. There's just SO many layers. So much trauma the characters had to experience and I just wish I knew why they had to go through all of that.

I hope it doesn't seem like I'm complaining a lot. I'm just reflecting on the whole show and thinking of all of my favorite story arcs and realizing how disappointed I am that they're dead arcs that had little resolution. I'll get over it.

Posted by: kayla at May 24, 2010 2:22 PM

I have to say I've enjoyed the show for years but am left a bit confused over a number of loose ends. These include:

1) What were the "rules" between Ben and Widmore? Clearly if the rules had anything to do with not killing one another, Ben violated that when he shot Widmore to death. Was there some loophole?

2) Did the nuclear weapon actually explode at the end of last season? I'd have to suppose not, since the island wasn't wiped clean and the characters survived. Instead, it appears there was some electromagnetic disturbance that caused one final time travel to 2007. The bomb had to be a dud.

3) What was the point of the numbers?

4) What was special about Walt?

5) What was the deal with mothers unable to give birth (or conceive?) on the island?

6) Jacob said he picked the candidates because they were "alone." Er, what about the Korean couple? He picked them at their wedding for cripes sake! They weren't actually "alone".

7) What was the rule about smoke monster not killing candidates? It seemed he could plant a bomb on the sub to do so. Unless you argue that the bomb wouldn't have worked if Sawyer hadn't pulled the wires.

8) How on earth does anyone think that jumbo jet would have been able to take off again? And then it works???

9) What was the point of the "Others" and were they serving Jacob or the smoke monster?

10) If the sideways world was a construct created in the heads of the survivors, why was the island underwater (rather than nonexistant?)?

11) How did the dog (Vincent) manage to stay alive from the year 1975 (when Rose and Bernard set up house in the woods) to 2007? A 32 year old dog?

12) What's with all the Egyptian stuff? I'll have to assume that Egyptians colonized the island originally.

Here's hoping there's a good spinoff with Ben and Hurley's wacky jungle adventures, with quick cuts back to Miles and Sawyer doing their cop thing. One's a loose cannon, the other plays by the book! Hijinks will ensue!

Posted by: Bd at May 24, 2010 2:27 PM

I can tell your margaritas were stronger than mine because you like it.

(*clapping for myself*)

Useless isn't the word exactly. A road to nowhere, perhaps. Just passing time. They never planned any answers, so they could pose all the questions they liked. We're just supposed to let all that stuff go because the ending made people feel warm and gooey. But some of us don't like diarrhea.

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 2:28 PM

I think we will get answers to a lot of stuff in the inevitable companion book.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 2:34 PM

Thank you Kayla! We should have been in charge.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 2:37 PM

I'll definitely be watching again. I want to make sense of the timelines and it'll just be fun.

My one BIG annoyance is they never answered the questions that they went on and on about so long. But here's my conclusions:

1) the pregnancies on the Island. I guess it was just the result of the nuclear bomb going off and making the women...not sterile, but just unable to go full term while on the Island.

2) The motherfucking Statue. NEVER explained. And it's just so annoying to me. Couldn't they have just said at one point that oh, Mother had it built before she ate everyone that she got there with? Ugh.

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 2:38 PM

It's going to be difficult to recommend the DVDs to people who never watched the show: There's this guy named Widmore who's a big deal, but forget about him. Same for Sun's dad, Walt, the big statue and Mr. Ecko. Sun starts to get vengeance on Widmore for Jin's death, but forget that, too.

Really! And weird shit happens on this island -- sudden rains leading to spookiness, ghosts, horses -- but forget about all that, too. What? You aren't interested in watching??

Maybe too many people with too many good ideas got involved. Essentially it was a big orgy without any condoms. I noticed Mario van Peebles directed at least one episode, too!

Posted by: Obst N. Gemuse at May 24, 2010 2:39 PM

BUT really it's just silly to hate the entire show based on the finale. Big picture, people.

Posted by: figgy at May 24, 2010 2:41 PM

Great column Dan, reading your recaps will be one of the LOST related activites I'll miss the most. As for the finale, I was a bit disappointed by it, though I will say that even with all the (overtly) religious hokum I couldn't help but get misty-eyed during those final moments; it's fully-visible intent of aiming for cheap sentiment didn't get in the way of it actually being entertaining and touching.

As for it tying up the series' plot...well, I guess you could answer both "yes" and "no" about it. "No" was the immediately obvious answer as we saw so many unresolved (-able?) plotlines being swept under the rug in favor of the "soap-opera" aspects of the show (at least until we dish $500 for the box set thing or however much that thing costs) but in my opinion, you could also say that this was the true core of the show, and it couldn't have gone out any other way...

You see, I eventually came to see LOST as a sort of metacommentary for geeky, escapist entertainment, or just escapism in general. I mean, after all, who (and this isn't limited to the usual dwellers of nerd-dom) wouldn't want to go to some place where your actions have visibly important consequences and meaning and purpose are given, sure-fire things you fight for in-between hunting for wild boar, investigating mysterious decades old science complexes and bedding TV actresses within the comfiness of a polar bear cage? This is what we find so very very lacking in our real, day-to-day lives (not bedding tv actresses, meaning and purpose, though I wouldn't mind the former) and it's the main component behind the sticky, poisoned honey which geek concerns seep to attract their helpless victims. In this context, this finale was pretty fackin' effective and it hit a little close to home if you've ever had even a tiny hint of geek to you (with the whole 'the most important part of your life' thing).

Posted by: Pancho at May 24, 2010 2:42 PM

I only made it about halfway through these comments. I'll try to finish reading them later.

I myself was fairly satisified. I have quibbles but no vitriol.

I appreciated your thoughts, Mr. Carlson. Thanks for the great recaps and discussion!

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 24, 2010 2:44 PM

i was always on team vincent.

i really enjoyed the journey of the show, even if the payoff wasn't stellar.

i didn't feel cheated by the writers because i never followed their proclamations about what the show was or wasn't. after the x files, i learned my lesson. i figured they'd show me what they wanted it to be. i always loved the characters more than the mythology, so i was eight kinds of choked up when they reunited. i enjoyed the audience theories about the mythology the most. they created a communal experience where everyone could answer the questions posed by the writers and people could pick and choose what they wanted to believe. i sort of like that.

i spent the weekend going back and watching the more important episodes from each season, and i'm glad i did because it's going to be a good long while before i rewatch this show.

and now i wait for true blood.

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 24, 2010 2:44 PM

I've been poking around the internet enjoying the heck out of people's reactions to the finale. I stopped watching after the eps that Nathan Fillion was in, and only stuck it out that long because I'd heard he'd be in it.

I really loved the show in the beginning, but I started to hate the holy shit out of Jack and Sawyer's constant switching back and forth between Good-Sawyer and Bad-Sawyer just made me want to throw things at the tv.

From what I gather about this finale, Ron Moore and J. J. Abrams need to get together and make a craptacular, completely incoherent pile of turds that ends with everything being explained by death or angels or something.

I honestly can't decide whether to feel sympathy for the poor sods that stuck it out or point and laugh.

Posted by: JGirl at May 24, 2010 2:46 PM

don't feel sorry for me. i loved the ride. i don't understand this schadenfreude reaction from people who didn't watch the show.

it's a little ridiculous.

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 24, 2010 2:50 PM

One more thing:

Ji Yeon is not a candidate. I'm very glad that I don't have to eat my hat.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 24, 2010 2:50 PM

bd, I believe I can answer the one about Vincent.

The Losties and Vincent time traveled back to 1975, where Rose and Bernard shrugged their shoulders and set up house with Vincent. Then when the bomb was set off by Juliet (or whatever happened there, as a nuclear bomb would leave the island devastated), they all time traveled back to 2007. Rose mentioned it in the finale, that the sky changed color and she could only guess what year it was now. They didn't actually live all those years between 1975 and 2007.

As for your other questions, I too am clueless. And apparently so were the writers.

Posted by: DeadBessie at May 24, 2010 2:53 PM

This may have already been said, but I can't express how much I've enjoyed these recaps and the comments. It always enhances my understanding and enjoyment of the show and I'll miss checking Pajiba every 10 minutes on Wednesday to see when it goes up. It's become a standard part of my Lost experience, so, thanks for that.

Posted by: clarkie at May 24, 2010 2:54 PM

When the BSG writers left Starbuck's resurrection up to the audience, lots of people were pissed. They don't even bother clearing up any of the major plot points and people still feel satisfied? Talk about easily entertained.

Posted by: Lia at May 24, 2010 2:57 PM

For me the statue was an easy thing to accept without further explanation. It was just there to remind you that many have come before the Oceanic survivors (and before the Others and DHARMA, etc). It freaks you out when it is just a big foot, then it freaks you out again when they are jumping through time and see it whole, then it is used periodically as a reference point when you go back to see Richard's origin, but there is nothing else that really needs to be explained. Some previous settlers built it (some ancient version of Dharma) and they all died.

I thought for a while that it was going to be tied into the pregnancy issues (it's a fertility goddess, right?) but if that was ever the plan it was abandoned with so many other loose ends.


Posted by: Yossarian at May 24, 2010 2:59 PM

Wow, I knew that the ending would divide people, but it's interesting to see which side of the line you all are falling on.

Cindy, they definitely explained what the island "is" this season and it surprises me that so many people either missed it or find the official explanation unsatisfying and reject it outright. Jacob explained several times that The Island was/is a sort of no man's land between our world and the source of all evil. Evil exists, and is balanced by good all while they compete with each other for real estate both on the Island and in people's hearts. The Island is a real and tangible thing, and everything that happened there happened in real life. (Including the time travel etc.) The only part of the show that wasn't "real" was the group-therapy-afterlife that we all called the Sideways Universe this season.

I challenge anyone bitching about the way that it wrapped up with a question that the producers themselves have said that they've asked frustrated fans as well: So what would YOU have done then? Everyone seems to know what they DON'T want or what they did WRONG but has very little to offer on how it could have ended BETTER.

Screaming for "not enough" is just selfish after 6 years of solid entertainment and discussion. Of course it isn't the "perfect" ending. There is no such thing. The problem with the concept of a "perfect story" with a "perfect ending" is that they don't exist. The concept of what that would look like would always change depending on who you ask and their personal preferences. Further, when confronted with a multi-faceted mystery, the imagined answers are almost always going to be more exotic than the realities that eventually surface.

I loved the finale. I thought that, while it missed a few things that I personally would have liked to see, it was the best way to keep the most people happy without pissing everyone off at the same time. The characters get their redemption and are allowed to feel unfettered joy at the love they experienced over their lives together. Realizing, in the end, that despite the accompanying hardships the love they fostered as a group was the best moments of their lives. I can get behind that.

I understand that there will be haters. There always is when a show ends. This one, for me, ended with a feeling of closure and joy rather than consternation and anger. I'll chalk it up as a "win."

Posted by: Roaddog at May 24, 2010 3:04 PM

I do wish they had address the pregnancy issue and why women who conceived on the island never came to full term, since it was a major plot point for so long. In my mind, it's connected with the electromagnetic energy associated with the island.

Posted by: Even Stevens at May 24, 2010 3:08 PM

well said, Roaddog

Posted by: Even Stevens at May 24, 2010 3:10 PM

I think some of you are hyper-analyzing this Sayid-Shannon thing. My interpretation of this particular purgatory/afterlife was that it was beyond any conventional understanding of time and space, and that this specific "setting" was a place for the Losties to work through their Island experience. It's not linear in the sense of chronology, and there's not much point applying cause, effect, or order to it. If there's a "happily ever after" beyond death, that wasn't the place for it, as there's obviously something more in the light beyond those doors.

Sayid's moment with Shannon does not mean that she was his be-all/end-all. In this constructed universe, Nadia is with his brother, and it would not necessarily be her "soul" that we are seeing there (just as Jack's son is a complete figment of the imagination and doesn't exist at all). Maybe after they've worked through the Island stuff, Nadia is beyond the light. Or maybe our conventional understanding of romantic pairings does not really matter at all once you reach the infinite.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 24, 2010 3:12 PM

I think it's silly to say I have to like something even though I can't write a better version. I don't like pickles, but it doesn't have anything to do with my ability to make brine.

My theory of the infertility is that it was a curse left by the ghost of the mother of Jacob and the MiB. I mean, I *hate* that magic is an explanation for anything on what started out a sci-fi show, but that's what we got.

I'm not going to say that I didn't enjoy the ride Lost took us on, but I'm sure as hell not going to say it wasn't without its bumps. I walked away during Season 3 (I think) but eventually came back to the fold. Anyway, I don't understand why fans of the show are defensive if other people didn't like or were disappointed by the ending. Nobody here is saying that you are wrong if you liked the finale, so why the need to denigrate those that weren't satisfied? You didn't produce or write the show, so it's not personal.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at May 24, 2010 3:31 PM

thanks dan, for the recaps..it's been quite the ride...

i was left w/the unsettling thought.. i've skirted death on more than a few occasions...

did i actually expire and my husband & 3 kids are figments of what was a terrestrial imagination?


.................

Posted by: kikz at May 24, 2010 3:33 PM

Parakeet, I wasn't trying to denigrate those that left the finale with a bad taste in their mouth. I was attempting to point out the feat that the writers did manage to accomplish (despite the plot holes and bumps in the road, which did exist,) and the difficulty of concisely closing a multi-faceted mystery such as this.

Perfect endings don't exist. Mine looks different than yours, looks different than Cindy's and so on and so forth. For my money, they got it as close to "center" as they could without going off the rails, and for that I'm thankful.

You are certainly within your rights to think otherwise, and I sincerely respect your opinion (and those of others,) who feel that way. My "what would you have done" question wasn't intended to sound like a "if you can't do better shut the fuck up" but an attempt to see what those that are upset or feeling cheated wish they could have seen instead. I'm seriously interested, and promise not to call anyone a moron. I love a good story, and love a good discussion even more. This show has allowed me to do both for 6 years, so no matter what, I'm thankful for that.

Posted by: Roaddog at May 24, 2010 3:42 PM

@ RoadDog

I think I offered a perfectly vaild elaboration (above) of what I would
have done BETTER -

1. The sideways timeline was created by the incident.

2. The characters are inextricably linked to each other.

3. The sideways timeline offered a view of what their lives would have
been without the island; Their destinies are changed in small ways
determined by their choices.

4. Desmond's job was to move between the two worlds to "course correct"
the duplicate lives they were leading and get everyone back on track. He performed thus function neatly in both worlds.

5. In keeping with the show's themes of free will and destiny, the
characters would have to choose to "let go" regardless of the ramifications
for their own mortality if they left sideways world.

All of this, fits very neatly with what they had been doing for six years and
would have required virtually no changes to the final show.

A little more on Eloise would have been nice and some kind of explanation
about the baby/child thing.

I LOVED the ending in the so-called real world. I thought it was well
thought out, despite the literal cork in the island, and resolved everything
so well while still being surprising. Loved it!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 3:44 PM

RE "And a cock punch, really? That seems a little harsh."

Yes, really. It's almost always the most complaining people who bitch about OTHER people being "negative." THEIR complaining is justified, just because, but no one else's is, so when they hear a criticism of something they like, other people should just shut up because they don't want to hear it. It's like the adult equivalent of covering your ears while yelling, "La la la, I can't hear you." Screw that.

I don't even care that much about the ending of Lost. It was still stupid (the ending, not the series overall). Throwing some faux spiritual claptrap together wasn't really what the series deserved. The series deserved better. But I wasn't surprised by the faux spiritual claptrap. I figured either that, or it was all some character's dream or Hurley imagined it all while hanging out in the loony bin. I didn't expect greatness and we didn't get it. So I'm only a little disappointed.

Obviously, character development is important, and yeah, it's this part of the show I enjoyed the most, but plot isn't entirely unimportant. We had plots that turned on people making certain choices, Jacob says several times, "There's always a choice," then we find out that some of those choices meant nothing at all, because they all happened in the timeline that didn't really happen. They happened in "alternate" Lost, and thus meant nothing. They were just placeholders until everybody meets up in the afterlife church and hugs it all out and goes flying up to heaven. Desmond has to go around and gather everyone up for the concert so they can meet up and realize that they're really dead, but it's OK, because the light on the island is safe and the ultimate evil (so ultimate it can't get off of an island) won't escape, as if evil is one guy. Bleh. I would have preferred it if it had all been Hurley's imagination. That actually would have made more sense to me.

Posted by: Slash at May 24, 2010 3:45 PM

Drake - you're right! You jogged my memory, of course Rose and Bernard were there. To my defence, my brother got into law school so we went out celebrating...wouldn't have missed Lost for anything else. Ended up watching it drunk = holes in my memory.

Can I just say that after reading the comments I've come to understand the ending a little bit better. A lot of you wrote some very profound insights on here in terms of Lost ultimately being a character driven peice rather than plot. I think that helps me accept the ending a bit more. Not that I had major problems with it, I loved it and it touched me. But it put what's most important in perspective...the relationships.

I cried every single time a pair of characters were reunited and had their flashbacks. the emotional impact EACH time was on par with Desmond and Penny's phone call in The Constant. But the one moment that made me sob (and always does)? Locke's flashbacks to the island, most notably when he smiled at Kate with the orange slice in his mouth.

I think one of the best scenes near the end was when Ben apologized to Locke. It was touching and it was really nice to see how far Ben had come as a character. And even though we've watched the two actors interact with one another all season it was the first time we had seen the REAL Ben and Locke together since Locke's death. I think that just shows the strength in their performances.

I already miss Lost.

Posted by: citizen_cris at May 24, 2010 3:47 PM

I wasn't trying to denigrate those that left the finale with a bad taste in their mouth. I was attempting to point out the feat that the writers did manage to accomplish (despite the plot holes and bumps in the road, which did exist,) and the difficulty of concisely closing a multi-faceted mystery such as this.

Posted by: Roaddog at May 24, 2010 3:42 PM

The feat that they managed to accomplish? Aren't the writers the ones that dug themselves into a hole in the first place? If they were foolish enough to not have things planned out in advance, then why congratulate them for screwing up?

Posted by: Lia at May 24, 2010 3:48 PM

Lia, because their "screw up" was one of (if not The,) most popular and culturally dissected shows of the decade. There were stumbles and missteps to be sure, but to call something met with so much critical and cultural success during its journey a "screw up" because of how it ended up winding down is a bit disingenuous in my book.

Mrs. Julien, I like it! For my money, I was hoping that your first 4 points were correct and that when number 5 happened somehow (they all drink the poison kool-aide?) The battle of good vs. evil on The Island would be won decisively and forever by good. The finale would have killed ALL of our favorites off in the "real" world on the Island leading the Man In Black to think he'd won. Then the alternate timeline people "cross over" with Desmond and somehow vanquish the evil once and for all. Then they'd all live happily ever after knowing about the stuff they accomplished in both universes and living out long lives with the people they love.

As I stated earlier, this is my ultimate ending and what would have made me personally the happiest. The fact that other people disagree or have other ideas is perfectly acceptable to me.

Posted by: Roaddog at May 24, 2010 4:04 PM

The finale was sort of like receiving a nice, thoughtful and heartfelt gift from a loved one yet being secretly disappointed because it wasn't exactly what you were expecting. It was a well-done, lovely and at times surprisingly light-hearted episode, but I just didn't really care for the ending very much. I realize many will disagree but in my opinion the "journey to eternal afterlife" ending was a cop-out and honestly was way more simplistic than I expected it to be.

Season 6 wasn't a "Heroes"-like atrocity or anything but I found it to be a disappointment overall. It's tough to accept that so many seemingly significant and relevant plot points were eventually rendered meaningless. I was fine with not getting "all the answers" but I did hope the show would somehow define its own internal logic and mythology a bit more than it did in the end. I mean why waste screen time on, for example, Jack's non-existent son, or on Sayid & Nadia, if it never really meant anything anyway?

Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 24, 2010 4:09 PM

DeadBessie--good call re: Vincent time travelling. I guess that also explains why Rose and Bernard (who weren't spring chickens to begin with) didn't seem to have aged 30 years either. Though that raises a question about the time travel (besides the other time travel questions, such as can they really change the past and what purpose did it serve)--when the "Losties" time travelled, did animals time travel as well? If Vincent time travelled (maybe by virtue of being a "Lostie" as well) does that mean bugs, birds, polar bears time travelled too? Or how come only the Lostie's could time travel and not the Dharma folks or the "Others"?

Of course, I may be forgetting the explanation from that season, it's a while since I saw those episodes with the time travel...

Posted by: Bd at May 24, 2010 4:11 PM

Uh yeah Roaddog, that vague magic evil island stuff is so satisfying - I don't know why I'm rejecting it. Or the finale. There were all those hugs and the crying. Hey, look over here!

For those of you that are warm and fuzzy, good on you. But I was hoping for more than Goldilocks and the Three Polar Bears, and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one.

Posted by: Cindy at May 24, 2010 4:13 PM

I like both the Mrs. Julien and Roaddog versions. I find this version, where everybody that died in horrific and terrible ways and then stayed dead until they went to the afterlife extremely depressing. I really thought they were dying for something better, and it colors my view of the whole show (unfortunately) that they didn't.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at May 24, 2010 4:13 PM

Bd, I'm gonna try to answer some of your questions in the way that I see things in hopes that it might do something for you. Take to mind, please, that i'm not very smart and I curse a lot.

1) What were the "rules" between Ben and Widmore? Clearly if the rules had anything to do with not killing one another, Ben violated that when he shot Widmore to death. Was there some loophole?

Neither of them ever even talked to Jacob, so I'm gonna assume these are rules that they came to themselves over the years of their rivalry.

2) Did the nuclear weapon actually explode at the end of last season?

This is obviously open for discussion. I prefer to think that the bomb set off the sideways-world. The Losties wanted so badly for the bomb to fix everything (i.e., Juliet's desperation secreaming "Work!" while slamming it with the rock), that this may have sort of been the incident that allowed them to create a happily ever after in the afterlife.
OR, it just stopped all the time travel shit. Hell, this is all just speculation anyway. I didn't write this shit.

3) What was the point of the numbers?

These people, with there lives entertwined are focused around the candidates. The numbers are the candidates that were gonna factor into each other's lives. As far as I know, these were the only candidates still alive. If you want more than that, I got nothing for you. (And personally, I don't. I think it's fine.)

4) What was special about Walt?

What was so special about Miles? I just think these are character quirks. Walt was just more attuned to the island than any normal human would be. I am actually not bothered at all about the Walt storyline. The fact that they showed him off the island living a normal life was a suitable ending for him. Just because he was more attuned to the island doesn't mean he needed to be.

5) What was the deal with mothers unable to give birth (or conceive?) on the island?

Some think this was caused by the incident. I say FUCK, I WANT TO KNOW. This is one of the main unanswered questions that pissed me off. So, I'm gonna assume it's the incident...unless someone proves me wrong to piss me off again,

6) Jacob said he picked the candidates because they were "alone." Er, what about the Korean couple? He picked them at their wedding for cripes sake! They weren't actually "alone".

He didn't pick them WHILE they were alone...he picked them because he knew they'd end up that way. The "Korean couple"...or Jin and Sun, as I like to call them...were miserable before they came to the island. Sun was leaving Jin. The flashbacks accurately depicted why and how each and every candidate was flawed. Jacob likely knew this is how they would turn out, and that's why they were chosen.

7) What was the rule about smoke monster not killing candidates? It seemed he could plant a bomb on the sub to do so. Unless you argue that the bomb wouldn't have worked if Sawyer hadn't pulled the wires.

It seems you already know the answer...Sawyer pulled the wires. Sawyer killed Sayid, Sun, and Jin.

8) How on earth does anyone think that jumbo jet would have been able to take off again? And then it works???

Yeah, I can't even remember right now which/who's plane they actually took off in. Was this the one that just got asploded? If so...you're probably right in the fact that a glass pane and a couple of band-aids aren't gonna fix that bitch.

9) What was the point of the "Others" and were they serving Jacob or the smoke monster?

They certainly thought they were serving Jacob. The more likely situation is that they were serving whoever was in charge (Ben, most of the time). Ben lied about talking to Jacob A LOT, and Richard had no reason to believe otherwise, so it seems they were just serving Ben's whims. Where they hell did they get the lists if Jacob wasn't talking to Ben? I don't know, maybe Jacob just left them lying around. Why wouldn't Jacob jump out to someone and say "Hey, stop killing people in my name, please!"? Yeah, I don't know.

10) If the sideways world was a construct created in the heads of the survivors, why was the island underwater (rather than nonexistant?)?

This was likely just to fuck with our heads and make us think it was really happening.

11) How did the dog (Vincent) manage to stay alive from the year 1975 (when Rose and Bernard set up house in the woods) to 2007? A 32 year old dog?

Vincent time-warped with the rest of them. It was 3 years for him, as well.

12) What's with all the Egyptian stuff? I'll have to assume that Egyptians colonized the island originally.

It's left for you to assume whatever the hell you want. =)

I, for one, am okay with the finale. I thought it was beautiful, albeit flawed and incomplete.

Posted by: jamiepants at May 24, 2010 4:20 PM

After some soul-searching and reading, I think I'm ultimately much more happy than angry with the show as a whole. It gave us six years of fascinating mysteries, and if the payoff to all of them wasn't what we'd hoped for, we still got those six years.

At this point I think I'm just going to toss out all the sideways stuff from this season. As far as I see it, that stuff just didn't happen. The rewards of the afterlife, no matter how sweet, just have no place in a story like this; what matters is what the characters achieved and sacrificed along the way.

Which leaves me with Jack's death, and I'll admit that chokes me up a little. It was perhaps inevitable. He was contending with forces beyond his imagination and possibly the most dangerous creature in existence, so it makes sense that, in triumph, he had to give his own life. But it makes me sad that after all his efforts he had to die like that. It was a good death, a worthy sacrifice, but I wish it hadn't been necessary.

Posted by: Todd at May 24, 2010 4:22 PM

Here's a thing that puzzles me: if the island is the cork in the winebottle of evil, what was "evil" before His Brother went for a cruise into the cave of light?

Anyway, I will miss these recaps and discussion so so much. I do wish I'd liked the ending better. I loved this show. Most of the time.

Posted by: Chickaboom at May 24, 2010 4:25 PM

Cindy, I'd be lying if I said that I wasn't hoping for more out of the official "what is the island" explanation as well. I guess I'm just glad that we got something handed to us instead of just leaving that one hanging in the wind. Sorry to hear that when served that particular piece it seems to have lodged in your throat, although I certainly understand your frustration.

After the spectacular bumblefuck that was the BSG finale, I think I intentionally tempered my expectations for this last season and the finale in particular. I may feel differently about the finale in a few weeks, and will change my mind. (I initially was happy with the BSG ending as well.) But, overall, I enjoy the trip much more than arriving at the destination so I'm still basking in the afterglow.

Posted by: Roaddog at May 24, 2010 4:45 PM

Anyone else enjoying the fact that Jack became a man of faith
and it killed him?

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 24, 2010 4:50 PM

check out the LA Times' critic review. I've never seen anyone who claims to be a critic get it so incredibly wrong.

http://discussions.latimes.com/20/lanews/la-et-lost-review-20100524/10

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 24, 2010 4:57 PM

Well, at least we can all thank God that it wasn't the snowglobe-all-a-dream ending to St. Elsewhere.

Posted by: scorzi at May 24, 2010 5:05 PM

Oh, hell. Having the courage to let characters die in vain or for stupid reasons isn't a flaw on this series. Yeah, gee, it's too bad old Locke was manipulated and crapped on most of his life including on the island and died a pawn of something much bigger than him. And boy MIB was way harsh when he basically kept saying Locke was a fool who never understood the island or what was happening.

What's so bad about that? It's true: He misinterpreted things and got led around by the nose by MIB and he died for nothing. His character was tragic, his faith was misplaced. Ben suffered in a lot of the same ways, but at least Ben got to live and was appointed to a cushy adviser position by Hugo.

People don't always get rewarded or punished for their actions in the real world, why are LOST fans so driven to make this a morality play? We are so conditioned by TV to expect everything to have a meaning that we make the same mistakes Locke did. I admire the willingness to have complex characters and to let bad things happen to good people. That wasn't the problem. The real disservice to the characters wasn't withholding fictional happy endings it was not giving them enough to work with when the writing got thin. It was the lack of clear motivation, not lack of expected reward.

And another thing: it is not necessary that everyone be made to appreciate the brilliance of LOST. This show had a lot of flaws and it's only fair that we spend some time addressing them on a web site that is devoted to criticism. The series obviously started to get away from the creators, probably around the time they announced the scheduled end date. Too many characters, too many unexplored mysteries, and too much focus on being unpredictable at the expense of making sense. I still think it was a great show- one of the best and most ambitious shows ever aired on network television- but if people don't appreciate it then fuck 'em.


Oh, and by the way, there is nothing noble about announcing to the internet that you've never watched LOST. I shudder to think what bad TV you must have substituted in it's place. (this is more geared toward elsewhere on the internet, but while I am unburdening myself I thought I'd toss it in.)

Posted by: Yossarian at May 24, 2010 5:10 PM

"The Shield" had a better end season and ending!

Posted by: spuchi at May 24, 2010 5:22 PM

I can't believe this hasn't been said yet, but essentially the series could have ended at Season 4 with more or less the same effect. If serendipitous reunions in the afterlife was all that really mattered in the end; then when the Ocenaic 6 left the island and the island disappeared the main plot could've ended right there, then pop in this sappy reunion finale. It's not like anything lingering was really resolved anyway and tons of new unanswered questions were raised, even within this finale. All those resolutions in the last scene were of relationships established in the first four seasons, even the flirtation between Sawyer and Juliet.

The last two seasons really did nothing to advance the plot at all. Dharma was brought up but never fully explained. The Others were brought up but again never fully explained. Widmore's mechanisms. Why devout two hours to Richard and MIB/Jacob backstory if you're going to gloss over such a pivotal character (such an episode could also explain more about Eloise Hawking). Claire's lost years on the island are also unresolved.

Frankly I wish Jacob/MIB was never brought up at all. Make the mystery end with Ben, Richard and Widmore; especially if you're only going to tell us that even Jacob had no fucking clue about anything and neither did his predecessor. Worst it turns out the MIB wasn't all that bad afterall, and if was just allowed to leave would never have embodied evil in the first place.

What was the greater purpose of Sun and Jin to the larger plot? Why did she stay in 2007? What was she doing with Widmore in S5? How did Jin escape an exploding freighter let alone get caught within the electromagnetic force-field as such to get transported through time?

The specialness of the children, Walt, Aaron. The pregnacies. The rules. The numbers. The Cabin. Tawaret. The Temple. Decades and centuries of island history, none of that matters other than to facilitate a familial bond between certain charcters? Bullshit!

The series finale disappoints on so many levels because it renders everything that preceded it as irrelevant. I figured as much that the sideways was an afterlife/reincarnation from the onset showing what life would be like AFTER the island was sunk, presuming some castaways would escape during the finale and others would sacrifice themselves. This was confirmed for me after Sun and the baby survived the gunshot wound and later Locke his hit'n' run with no consequences whatsoever. It was too sappy, too fairy-tale ending resolution. I know this was a ABC/Disney production but c'mon. That's why I had no emotional reaction to most of it (sans Suliet reunion).

What would have made it more exciting was if the island truly was destroyed and the MIB wasn't defeated so easily. 2500 years of pining how to escape the island just to be taken out by Kate and corny line readings? Wtf?

Posted by: Fresh Sart at May 24, 2010 5:45 PM

Six years, only to find out it was a Beatles song. 'I am you and you are me and we are all...' Jack's the Walrus. Koo koo ca choo. What crap.

Posted by: Exeye at May 24, 2010 5:56 PM

I prepared myself to be disappointed so the ending was kind of ok-good-meh, but I can live with it. I had some teary moments, some laugh out loud moments (duct tape!! yay! the Burt Reynolds castoff pilot is still alive! the dog's alive!), and some eye-rolling moments. It's TV! Whaddaya want?!

Juliet and Sawyer's reunion was EPIC! It was beautiful; it made up for any crappyness otherwise and I will watch it repeatedly. Made me a romantic again. Same with Jin and Sun's, Charlie and Claire. Loved the Linus, Hugo, and Locke bits too, though somewhat deflated by Locke/MIB's final ending...the superhero leap by Jack, etc., caused my eyerolling. Linus outside the church was heartbreaking, as was his reaction when Locke forgave him. Brings me to tears even now. That Linus actor is brilliant.

Otherwise, I felt that in the character view, the actors were true to their characters, even while the overall plot arc and ending was...OK. Mostly the tunnel of light/plug thing, because, really? So I'm still processing, but think I can make sense of most of the finale. A lot of comments here are really good and helpful, actually.
I was kind of doubtful about Jack and Kate's reunion though...I didn't get the sense that they were each other's true love, but eh, ok. Kate on her own was interesting, but I'm not so sure her character was honoured as much as it could have been...still processing her arc...

All in all, it's TV. It's amzing that it lasted as long as it did, and that it got away with what it did, and the various themes were fun and interesting to think about. It made for great conversation and I discovered some really cool websites along the way while I was trying to figure out some damn plot point. Some episodes were outstanding and will always be so, imo. The Constant being one of them.

I think of the Bermuda triangle as a real-life version of this story. E.g., if a ship goes down in the triangle, whch has always existed but no one really knows why (?), what happens to the people in it? How do we process our own deaths? How do we process our own lives when faced with death? What becomes important and what falls by the wayside? It will be different for everyone, depending on where they are in their lives. As a creative writing exercise: fun!

Posted by: diane at May 24, 2010 6:05 PM

I wouldn't go so far as to say that the resolution renders all of what came before irrelevant, but I do feel that the reveal of the sideways universe yanked the rug out from under me when considering season 5's cliffhanger.

Season 5 was the weakest for me; I never really bought into the logic of Faraday's Jughead plan or Jack's belief in it. How exactly were their consciousnesses going to be spirited away to Oceanic 815 in 2004? What memories and awareness would they have in this magical scenario?

However, I begrudgingly bought into it when Juliet told me that "it worked." As it stands, the Incident - whatever did or did not happen as a result of a nuclear bomb and some electromagnetism - was exactly what Miles theorized: a self-contained, unalterable loop, with Jack's faith (shown to be correct in season 6) as little more than a loose cannon. That's satisfying to me, as that's what I wanted all along, but it does render Faraday - the supposed expert on these matters - something of a loon.

It leaves a rather sloppy mess when you think about the time-traveling and its lack of scientific support. What was responsible for the shift that put them back in 2007? Was this purely the Island's doing as a sentient presence? Were these actions necessary to put their souls at peace in the afterlife? Does detonating a nuclear bomb next to a large source of electromagnetism create time travel that conveniently places you exactly when you need to be? How did they get transported through time from the Ajira flight back to 1977?

The Island as a sentient being that performs actions outside the light does seem to be the only viable explanation, and it's the answers behind this dilemma that I wanted. I suppose you could say Jacob was behind these machinations with some sort of mysticism, but this seems to run contrary to his continuing allowances for humanity's free will. Perhaps it was the Smoke Monster manipulating time?

Never mind. I have more thoughts, but none of them hold up to any scrutiny. I'm o.k. with the mysticism in a presented afterlife, but I would have liked just a little more tangible explanation related to the Island.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at May 24, 2010 6:20 PM

All of life is unanswered questions, and a struggle to find a way through the quagmire to an uncertain ending. So there are no answers. That is life. So people die in vain, for no good reason. Bad things happen to good people, evil assholes outlive the heroes. How is that any different from real life? So just like in Lost: Just keep putting one foot in front of the other, take opportunities to love when they arise, Struggle to do what you believe is right, because even if you die in the attempt and realize that you were wrong, at least you DID SOMETHING. And hope that you have a good dog to keep you company when you die.
Getting to meet up with the people who loved you in the afterlife sounds like a pretty good plan to me.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at May 24, 2010 6:56 PM

AMEN, Lindsey.

AMEN.

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 24, 2010 7:14 PM

Guys, you've all missed the point. They finally gave the fans what they've been clamoring for all along.

Kate finally died!

...

Well, eventually.

Posted by: coryo at May 24, 2010 7:16 PM

I was gone all weekend and managed to avoid all news about the finale until I could watch it tonight and I'm really happy I didn't know what was coming. I'm trying to come down from it since I'm now getting ready to watch the "24" finale but I really liked the episode. I'm extremely confused, but I can live with that. It makes me want to watch it again from the beginning. It was a beautiful ending and gave closure to the characters. Even if the logistics of the whole thing are sketchy, I'm ok with it.

LOST has been my overall favorite show for the last 6 years. I stuck with it through the good and the bad and I'm happy I went on the journey even if ultimately I'm left frustrated with the details.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 24, 2010 8:08 PM

I stuck with it through the good and the bad and I'm happy I went on the journey even if ultimately I'm left frustrated with the details.

That sums up most of the experiences of my life. So, not to shabby for a TV show.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at May 24, 2010 10:27 PM

*too

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at May 24, 2010 10:28 PM

I liked it up until sideways was purgetory. The writers have been swearing up and down since the begninning that the show was not an afterlife, and then they created an after life in the final season. What the frak?

So my thoughts on everything else:

-Island light is the light at the center of the world that creates life. But with light comes darkness, and that is the smoke thing. If darknesss escapes the island then the light of the world goes out.

-Dharama inititive: Crazy ass scientists that found something and needed to explain it.

-Jacob: Light needs protecting and he protects it. He also brings broken people to the island to be his replacement just in case he needs them too take his place.There might even have been monkeys of dinousaures before thee were humans protecting the island.

-Walt: If there is a special light then why not special people. People who are special, not just because the light made them special.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at May 25, 2010 12:30 AM

I enjoyed the finale while I watched it but like so many the more I reflected upon it the less satisfied I was. I still can say I enjoyed it. I think I agree with Darth that season 5 was the tipping point. Specifically the finale. The introduction of Jacob and the MIB as real entities created the need for season six to focus on their stories instead of the original cast and the island mysteries already introduced.

I guess I can begrudgingly accept the explanation for the sideways: The core group created it to help them come to grips with their lives and to help find each other for their trip to the next. It explains why some were not there. The sideways allowed for a happy ending for (almost) all which was partially satisfying but I was reminded of Titanic and everyone waiting for Rose to finally arrive in "heaven". And I don't think I need to tell you that comparisons with Titanic are not a good thing.

Posted by: ed newman at May 25, 2010 12:33 AM

"rankly I wish Jacob/MIB was never brought up at all. Make the mystery end with Ben, Richard and Widmore; especially if you're only going to tell us that even Jacob had no fucking clue about anything and neither did his predecessor. Worst it turns out the MIB wasn't all that bad afterall, and if was just allowed to leave would never have embodied evil in the first place.

What was the greater purpose of Sun and Jin to the larger plot? Why did she stay in 2007? What was she doing with Widmore in S5? How did Jin escape an exploding freighter let alone get caught within the electromagnetic force-field as such to get transported through time?"

Fresh Sart

Yep. Exactly. What's funny is that these questions are big mysteries about the CHARACTERS. I don't get how people are saying that this final season and finale were character driven when so much info about the main characters (including the island, which is a character) were simply abandoned around season 4.

For example, I still can't get a read on Kate. She seems like the only character that never got to face her demons and move on. She was a borderline sociopath for a while, and then she started screwing Sawyer, then Jack, then she did very little for a couple seasons, then she declared her love for Jack and that's it? She deserved a better story! Maybe raising Aaron helped her deal with her daddy/mommy issues? I don't know. We didn't see much of her and Aaron.

Posted by: kayla at May 25, 2010 12:50 AM

Hat tip to the comment from Thursday....It kinda turned out to be a Giant cup of Ovaltine, but DAMN it was tasty. Not so much now , with the aftertaste, but GODDAMN was that shit Sweet!

But it WAS still Ovaltine.

Posted by: Eric at May 25, 2010 1:39 AM

I miss Lost

Posted by: yani at May 25, 2010 2:48 AM

After years of emotional investment, creating theories, trawling through forums ad infinitum, etc., and then seeing that finale, I have one thought.

I should have taken the blue pill.

Posted by: Amanda at May 25, 2010 6:44 AM

I should have taken the blue pill.
Amanda: I don't agree but that is funny as hell.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 25, 2010 8:34 AM

I just watched this last night and without much time to process everything in the finale, all I can say right now is MEH. It was just…unsatisfying.

I’m having arguments with people who say that LOST was never meant to be a sci-fi show, which is just the dumbest fucking thing ever. It’s probably their excuse for the lack of answers. I think these are the same people who watch and love Gray’s Anatomy which, wait, why am I even talking to them in the first place?

But I digress. It’s obvious to me now that Cuse & Lindelof took on too much and couldn’t follow through at the end. They awarded the drama queens and completely abandoned the nerds.

Posted by: Scully at May 25, 2010 8:43 AM

I'm picking up what you're slamming down, Lindsey. I wrote this elsewhere, but figured I'd share anyway:

I've been thinking about it, and I've realized that the island and all the questions about it really weren't what was important. Yes, it was interesting and I had an awesome time theorizing and discussing and spoiling myself, but the more I think on it, the more I believe that the story wasn't about the island. The island was a location, a place for these people to come together. It was the catalyst that formed their bond, the love they had for one another. And, in the end, it was little more than that. What happened to them while they were there is what's important. The relationships are what's important. The love is what's important. It's sort of a metaphor for life - no one can do it on their own. We need other people to help us become who we were meant to be. We need love and friendship to help us overcome the fear, the danger, the obstacles that stand in our way. I am not religious in any way, shape, or form, but I'd be a lying liar if I said that it wouldn't be truly wonderful to go to a place where everyone I loved and who loved me was waiting for me when I died.

And so I think there was a plot, but the island, Dharma and even Jacob and MIB, were just there as part of the journey that these people needed to take together. The story was them. Not the island. It was always about the characters. They needed to share these experiences to grow into better people. I mean, at the end of each season, the cliffhangers didn't leave me curious about the island's mysteries, they left me worried about the characters. They're the ones I cared about.

Posted by: Kolby at May 25, 2010 10:07 AM

@Kolby - I think Daniel, as always, put the mild disappointment
some of us are feeling best in his recap:

But its focus on the group of people on the show, and not the reason
they were together, felt ultimately like an insubstantial attempt to
cancel out all those wandering plots and unanswered questions and say
they never mattered. Yet they did matter. Not because they were
more important than the characters, but because they were the reason
those characters lived and died the way they did.

Given how many excellent and cogent theories everyone had about
the show, I think we are disappointed that the writers clearly chose not
to answer just a couple of key questions. Not everything needed to be
answered, but they if they painted themselves into a corner it is their own
darn fault. They should not have asked questions to which they did not
know the answer.

My sense of let down about the last 5 - 10 minutes of the sideways
timeline (and that's all it is) was that they took the show in a new direction
at the last minute when it was unnecessary. Everyone had their reunion;
they needed to disappear into the reality timeline. The show was about the
fundamental interconnectedness of all things and of these people, but it
was about the here and now and not what happens next. Honestly, the
ending just seemed self-indulgent to me.

Metaphysics is never more than semantic pleasantries anyway.
Haruki Murakami

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 25, 2010 10:40 AM

“The island was a location… And, in the end, it was little more than that.”

I get what you’re saying Kolby, I do. But I don’t agree with this. First, if it was so unimportant, why focus SO MUCH on the island; why portray it as important? Because they did focus a lot on *what* the island might be. Same goes for your other examples: Dharma, Jacob and MIB. If these items are not necessary, why bring them up in the first place? Because you need filler? That’s bullshit! Secondly, there is an interview featuring Abrams and Lindelof on season 1 dvds. They discuss the development of this project and Abrams specifically says he wants the island to be a character of its own.

I’m happy for the character fans to get a nice resolution. And I somewhat enjoyed the character ending. But it was a huge fuck you to the fans of the mystery.

In addition, I cannot stop thinking about the possible ending if Abrams was in charge. He ended Alias with some crazy shit, but it was explained crazy shit. I wish he would have gotten involved in the last season.

Posted by: Scully at May 25, 2010 10:52 AM

http://forum.lostpedia.com/someone-bad-robots-take-finale-t59261.html

Check out this link to a piece (evidently) written by a Bad Robot staffer.

I see a lot of comments on this page complaining of certain things not being explained. Many of these things were explained, in their own way, but with little fanfare. Some of those things are talked about on the link.

Lost kind of set itself up to fail, in my opinion, from a mythology standpoint. They created a fan culture that couldn't trust the show. Every answer was more confusing than the question itself, and you simply couldn't trust any of the characters on the show... At least the ones that had any answers. They lied so much that when they finally tell the truth, you can't know it.

In the end, though, I chose to trust the producers, take what they present to me at face value, and go along for the ride. I feel that the story that concluded on Sunday was gripping, melancholy, and totally worth all time I've invested in the show. I don't feel cheated that I don't know what the Hurley bird was all about. I've got theories about the infertility issue, but I know they'll never be addressed by the show. I'm cool with it, because I was entertained. What the hell else does anyone want in the end?

Posted by: logar at May 25, 2010 11:23 AM

That’s an interesting link Logar but I wonder if it was really written by a Bad Robot staffer. Mostly, I have problems with this:

“the reason Ben's not in the church, and the reason no one is in the church but for Season 1 people is because they wrote the ending to the show after writing the pilot. And never changed it. The writers always said (and many didn't believe them) that they knew their ending from the very first episode.”

Desmond, Penny and Juliette were in the church. They weren’t in season 1. I don’t think Bernard was in season 1 either, but was present in the church. Also, Jack died in the original pilot, so the ending could not have been written then, or he would not be the star. Shenanigans!

Posted by: Scully at May 25, 2010 12:02 PM

Thanks for that link Logar. Most cool.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at May 25, 2010 12:04 PM

logar: thank's for that link. Whether it's legit or not, it goes along pretty strongly with where I've gotten to thinking about it today. (I just watched last night so I'm a day behind the rest of y'all.)

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 25, 2010 12:11 PM

No problem!

Scully- I had the same question in my mind when I read that part as well. Any explanation I can think of would just be conjecture. The rest of what the writer states rings true, though.

It's possible that the producers had the ending scene planned out from the beginning, but I doubt they had everything in between was thought out in advance. Maybe thematically, but there were certainly a number dangling plots along the way.

Posted by: logar at May 25, 2010 12:41 PM

i gave up a long time ago expecting any sense to be made out of the story. Most people realized the writers were happy to throw as many balls up in the air as they could because they had no intention of catching any of them.

The show was less engaging after this realization that we weren't moving closer to the center of a rich complex sci-fi mystery, but it was still entertaining, and you could still root for the characters (who don't know they are being giggled at by overpriced lazy writers).

What really bothered me about the ending is that, what I got from Chritian's speech to jack was that all of the characters (whichever were real and not just artifacts of various illusions) were random people who died at random times with no connection to one another during life, but while clogged up in the purgatorial pipeline to the afterlife concocted a vast and complex play to help resign themselves to the afterlife, and that somehow the arcs they went through in purgatory were more important than their "real" lives had been.

What I got from Christian's speech is that none of them knew each other, there was no oceanic 815, there was no island, no cryptic corporations, no shadowy conspiracies, no demigods balancing good and evil in a mythical place, no mad scientists, no time travel, no intrigue, no nothing. Essentially, an "it was all a dream" ending, except it was dead people dreaming.

it's very hard to think of somersaults to go through to justify this ending as anything other than a slap in the face from the creators.

my expectations for the finale were low--this whole season has seemed a waste of time and I would have quit watching except i knew it was coming to an end--but as low as my expectations were, i certainly expected more than soft-focussed afterlife romance with a little p.s to please disregard all the preceding episodes.

Posted by: idleprimate at May 25, 2010 2:33 PM

idleprimate: It's the reverse. The island experience DID happen. They are in the afterlife waiting for each other because of the island. Because nothing in their lives after the island (or before) had as much meaning for this specific group of people. That's why Ben, Rosseau, Alex, Lapidas, etc are not there. They have their own group to be with. It's not who you CHOOSE to be with, it's simply who you are with. Sayed thought he wanted to be with Nadia, but in reality his true love was Shannon. Not sure I totally buy that but I understand the writers' intentions with this.

The flash-sideways were purgatory. The island was real.

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 25, 2010 3:30 PM

Vanilla Fucking Sky had a better ending!

Wait a sec... No, actually it had almost the same ending!

Posted by: DarthBrooks at May 26, 2010 10:42 AM


I left the show a long time ago. I guess I was never a believer. But I have always been curious to know if the producers would bother to give a handful of straight and honest answers to the endless questions they brought to life. Which brought me here.
From the outside it seems the large majority of the LOST community is in a state of denial.
I mean, when you choose to let go all the answers to the mysteries that propelled the story right from the beggining and, instead, you choose to accept a cheesy ending - a mix of new age and pseudo-scientific clichés -, then you are resuming the all series to a kind chic soap opera.
Am I wrong?

Posted by: tioadolfo at May 26, 2010 6:57 PM

OMG! I see a lot of people claiming that the ending was fine, and don't expect "every little thing" to be wrapped up and "no ending is perfect", etc. But it didn't even come CLOSE! There weren't minor flaws for the show, but major ones.

Even if you accept that there are mysteries just left as mysteries, there are too many internal inconsistencies. Assume that Desmond is "special" (with is electromagnetic resistance), and can go down to the light without suffering consequences ("worse that death", as Jacob's adoptive mother describes it). MIB is thrown down and indeed suffers a fate worse than death... So how come Jack is fine to go down, re-plug the "cork", and come out without consequences?

So the island (arguably the most compelling character in the show) is just a big metaphysical cork-in-the-bottle protecting life on Earth, not that life really matters that much because we'll all meet up before we move on to the next one... Argh!

Posted by: squirrel at May 27, 2010 2:45 AM

I'm not gonna read all the comments this time. I understood after watching the ep that it was going to divide people big time, they probably never could have made everyone happy. But I am happy, because I loved it. Maybe when I watch it all together there will be things I wish had been better resolved, but watching it, it was everything I wanted. I wanted to feel, that's it. I wanted to be left a mess by it. And I was.

Posted by: Carrie at May 30, 2010 11:00 AM

It is going to be sad to watch a world cup without Ronaldo, this will be my first World Cup without The Best Player Ever Taking Part Of It .

Posted by: Money Home at June 14, 2010 2:33 AM

Anne Hathaway's dress was brilliant, except I'd probably lose the shoulder pads. I might be wrong about how the dress would look without them, but I just hate shoulder pads :)

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