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The Films of 1999: American Beauty / Dustin Rowles

Film Reviews | November 16, 2009 | Comments (96)


Viewed from a certain perspective, I can understand why some people loathe American Beauty; I can even sympathize with them to a degree. Why should we give a shit, after all, about a family of upper-middle-class misanthropic dipshits whose suburban problems really don’t amount to much of anything? Dead-end job, unfulfilled sex life, high-school alienation. Yeah. Welcome to suburbia, assholes. You knew what you were signing up for when you bought that cookie-cutter house and stocked it full of Pottery Barn merchandise. And to say that American Beauty’s views on homosexuality — and in particular Chris Cooper’s Colonel Fitts — were simplistic or even misguided and self-defeating would be an understatement.

But as someone who has always felt a certain sense of envy for the normalcy of suburbia, even as I thumbed my nose at their fat asses and their preprogrammed lives, I unabashedly adore American Beauty. Of course, if I’d been older and as wrapped up in the movie industry as I am now, I could probably see how American Beauty could’ve been the Crash of its day — a decent enough film that had no business taking home the Oscar for Best Picture in probably the best year for movies in the second half of the 20th century (I’d argue it was the best of the nominated films for best picture, but then again, none of the other many films we’ve already covered from 1999 (including Magnolia, Fight Club or The Matrix) we’re nominated).

But as much as it was Alan Ball’s indictment of suburban culture, for people coming of age in 1999 or heading out into the real world, it also served as a remarkable cautionary tale. Take the path most often traveled, and you could end up in your 40s jerking off in the shower and married to a overbearing, controlling woman obsessed with appearances. Culturally speaking, it was also one of the first studio movies to not just vilify homophobia but, perhaps dangerously, give into a certain amount of gay wish-fulfillment — the belief that violently homophobic men are overcompensating to hide their own homosexual desires (a notion borne out, perhaps, in our Republican Congress). It was strangely satisfying.

Lester Burnham (Kevin Spacey) is essentially The Graduate’s Benjamin Braddock, 20 years older and having decided to buy into “plastics,” so to speak. He works a job he hates and goes home to a “bloodless money-grubbing” wife who loathes him and a daughter who doesn’t respect him. His marriage is a sham; his life is a series of repetitive motions; and the apathetic Burnham is on autopilot. That is, until he espies a high-school cheerleader, Angela (Mena Suvari) during a performance; she reawakens not just his libido, but his desire to live. Never mind that Angela is also his daughter, Jane’s (Thora Birch) best friend. Lester quits his job; begins a relationship with pot; buys the dream car from his youth (“I rule!”); and finally stands up to his wife, Carolyn (“Don’t interrupt me, honey”).

The colorful and fantastic supporting characters include Annette Bening’s shrewish Carolyn, who is having an affair with Buddy Kane (in a brilliantly sly performance from Peter “Eyebrows” Gallagher). Ricky Fits (Wes Bentley) is the voyeuristic, pot-dealing next-door neighbor obsessed with Jane — he’s also the film’s benevolent force. Cooper is downright outstanding as Ricky’s dad, a homophobic hard-ass military man with some rage issues and an unhealthy hatred for homosexuality.

But it’s Kevin Spacey’s pitch-perfect performance and Sam Mendes’ surehanded direction (his provocative debut effort) that really elevates American Beauty above your typical suburban doldrums drama. Like most of the characters in American Beauty, Spacey’s Lester is despicable and morally valueless. But there’s so much humor in Ball’s script, and Spacey delivers it so impeccably, that you inexplicably find yourself rooting for him to break free from the sameness chains of suburbia, even if his ultimate goal is to Humbert Humbert a 16-year-old.

It’s not a perfect film. The voice-over narration is not just extraneous, but self-defeating, needlessly giving away the ending in the opening moments of the film. The magical realism fantasy sequences with Mena Suvari and the roses are likewise unnecessary and, at times, distracting. Moreover, the subversive edge of American Beauty hasn’t aged well over the last decade, nor has the profundity of that floating bag, which has fallen victim to the machinations of pop culture.

But the performances are outstanding; the direction is sharp; the cinematography is gorgeous; and the themes still resonate as loud as ever. It’s a stunning and energetic black comedy that miraculously finds the humanity in ugly repulsive characters and turns it inside out, extracting our sympathy with deep humor and a reservoir of melancholy. Even the American Dream is a facade, American Beauty suggests — scratch the surface, and beneath it are the hollow echoes of monotony, denial, and despair. But there’s beauty even in the pathetic smallness of our lives, and American Beauty manages to make us grateful for it.

Dustin Rowles is the publisher of Pajiba. You can email him or leave a comment below.


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Comments

I don't care for Pottery Barn.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at November 16, 2009 12:05 PM

What the hell happened to Wes Bentley anyway?

Posted by: Carrie at November 16, 2009 12:09 PM

The best thing about this movie was the soundtrack by Thomas Newman, who also scored the Revenge of the Nerds soundtrack way back when.

Posted by: Some Guy at November 16, 2009 12:13 PM

I saw this when I was nearly 30. Mr. Snuggie was 31. So for us, it was HUGELY a cautionary tale. We had just bought a house in the suburbs. We have an only child daughter, as they do. Mr. Snuggie works in sales and while he's good at it and successful, it isn't exactly soul-enriching or deeply fulfilling. I had serious anxiety issues that were getting worse by the year. We were slogging through a rough patch in our eight year old marriage.

So we were simultaneously horrified and intrigued by this film, which we saw ON OUR ANNIVERSARY. Ug.

But we bought it on DVD later. It has some seriously beautiful moments. And, well, he GETS happy. He does. Right before, well....you know.

I just thought it was very well-written and wonderfully acted. It's one of my favorites. And ten years later, our story turned out MUCH better, thank goodness.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 12:15 PM

Lovely review, and I too adore this film. Kevin Spacey was sublime.

Posted by: Cindy at November 16, 2009 12:19 PM

What the hell happened to Wes Bentley anyway?

I fell head-over-heels for Wes Bentley in American Beauty--to this day I don't think I've ever seen a more beautiful creature than Bentley as Ricky Fitts.

So I was gonna reply to your question with, "It's a truly depressing tale, Carrie," and post a link to his IMDB page...

...only to see that he's in Jonah Hex! Uncredited, but still.

Still pretty goddamn depressing, actually.

Posted by: Jerce at November 16, 2009 12:19 PM

"What the hell happened to Wes Bentley anyway?"

Ghost Rider.

Posted by: Sean at November 16, 2009 12:20 PM

Yo Dusty, you could use an editor. Otherwise, great review. I recently picked this up mega-cheap and gave it a watch-through with the commentary. I forgot how many excellent lines there were, so I had to go back and re-watch it without the comm.

Spacey is great. I wanna have like, ten thousand of his babies.

Posted by: bendiagram at November 16, 2009 12:20 PM

"Moreover, the subversive edge of American Beauty hasn’t aged well over the last decade, nor has the profundity of that floating bag, which has fallen victim to the machinations of pop culture."

Wait, Mr. Rowles, would you mind elaborating on this? It's one of my favorite things about the film. What happened with the machinations of pop culture?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 12:21 PM

I fucking love Benning in this. I mean, yes, Spacey is amazing, but he's generally pretty amazing. Benning though, her performance just amazed me. Loved this movie, I think for the way the two of them fucking destroyed the scenery when they were onscreen together.

Posted by: Awesomebutt (nee Smokin) at November 16, 2009 12:24 PM

Jerce Can I smooch and hug this quote of yours?

"...to this day I don't think I've ever seen a more beautiful creature than Bentley as Ricky Fitts."

Because I want to.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 12:26 PM

I loved it when I saw it all those years ago but I haven't seen it since. Perhaps I'll have to rectify that and make comparisons to the suburban trap I've fallen into.

Posted by: admin at November 16, 2009 12:29 PM

The movie has long been on my top 20. It's just very well done in my eyes.
The performances are spot-on and... the plastic bag scene does still grab at
me, each time I see it. Although the surburban life depicted here is miles away
from my personal experiences, I can understand and relate to the feelings
that some of characters are dealing with. Empathy?
Speaking of Wes Bently (@ Carrie), he's always been on my desert island list.
Dayum! I do wish that we saw him in more movies. What's especially strange
about his Ricky Fitts is that it totally reminds me of a couple of people I went
to high school with. They flew way under the radar, but were far more intelligent
and interesting (and I dare say, cool) than the rest of the sheep. Wonder what happened to them.

Posted by: Ms MoMo at November 16, 2009 12:30 PM

Sweet jesus, I went back and read my own comment...I have to publicly apologize for my overuse of the word amazing, and generally not being my usual eloquent self.

I've got other irons in the fire, you see.

Posted by: Awesomebutt (nee Smokin) at November 16, 2009 12:35 PM

And whilst my Comment was posting through the cyberfairydust...
Jerce and Snuggiepants took the words right out of my mouth re Wes B.
I *was* mesmerized by every delicious moment he was on the screen.
He was in some movie about the gold rush and lotsa snow... and it had
Milla J in it, so it was a 'must rent' a few years back (it stunk though).

Posted by: Ms MoMo at November 16, 2009 12:37 PM

My truly Conservative mother hated this film with a passion. My father tried to like it, but as I was a teen at the time, the idea of wanting to bump uglies with a friend of his daughter's creeped him out beyond measure.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at November 16, 2009 12:38 PM

Jerce Can I smooch and hug this quote of yours?

I would also like to smooch it, but instead of hugging it, I'd like to feel it up a little. Under the bra, but over the pant... I mean, underwear (sorry, Nicole!).

You knew what you were signing up for when you bought that cookie-cutter house and stocked it full of Pottery Barn merchandise.

I feel like I might disagree with this a little, and it's the reason I love this movie, and Revolutionary Road (the novel more than the film version). Who the hell thinks going into anything that they're going to wind up unfulfilled, and if they do, why would they do it in the first place? It's a matter of things just being... easier if you don't try. It's tiring, trying all the time. Sometimes, even with the best of intentions, you just... stop trying.

even if his ultimate goal is to Humbert Humbert a 16-year-old.

I also disagree with this, really. I mean, that was the catalyst to his awakening, but I don't believe it was the ultimate goal, which is what he realizes right before he's going to fuck her (and also, why he ultimately doesn't).

Anyway, point is, I adore this movie.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at November 16, 2009 12:44 PM

FUCK ME YOUR MAJESTY!

Posted by: Steph at November 16, 2009 12:46 PM

Always saw American Beauty as a companion to Fight Club.

Both explored a sense that amid all the prosperity, there was a gnawing sense of a lack of meaning in the late 1990s (I mean, looking back on it, doesn't "Friends" seem sooo pointless and vapid now?), but from different ends: Fight Club nicely captured the utter disgust with consumption and "lifestyle" (the Ikea apartment scenes early on are terrific), but American Beauty dealt with our alienation from other people.

Fight Club was the more extreme, but American Beauty was more realistic....most of us, if we rebel at all, would be more like Lester quitting his job and less like Tyler starting up a domestic terrorism group.

Posted by: Jacktrade at November 16, 2009 12:49 PM

Wes Bentley is probably a pretty horrible actor. I saw clips of Ghost Rider which confirm that. While he was good in this movie, I think he's a one trick pony.

Snuggiepants,
Not Another Teen Movie, for one, had an entire character parodying Wes Bentley's character, complete with a bag which had "The Most Beautiful Thing I've Ever Seen" written on it. How American Beauty was a teen movie is anyone's guess, but we've seen what those have devolved into(Disaster/Epic?).

Finally, I never really thought Colonel Fits was gay. I always thought he just witnessed something that was really fucked up to him, had just violently kicked his son out of his home, and just generally cracked up under his own pressures/stresses.

This was the first movie I purchased on DVD. I didn't own a DVD player, but the Suncoast store in the mall didn't get the tapes in and I figured I would own one soon enough(and my friend already had one). The last few years I've always suspected I would see this and loathe sixteen year old me, but it holds up to repeated viewings.

Posted by: pissant at November 16, 2009 12:53 PM

I always loathed this movie. It struck me as a middle aged male fantasy thinly veiled as an art film. The teenage nudity was irrelevant to the plot, which was good, if a little well-worn, even then. However, I'll openly admit that I adored Wes Bentley in this. And Annette Bening knocked it out of the park.

Posted by: hindulovegod at November 16, 2009 12:55 PM

Annette Benning's character isn't obsessed with appearances, she is obsessed with a desperate need to control things because she is afraid of being out of control.
1)Realtor= control freak (you know it's true)
2)Gardener (particularly of fancy flowers)=control freak
3)Obsessive decorator=control freak
4) Manic cleaner= control freak
5) Overbearing bitch of a wife= control freak
6) Fear of failure= control freak, scared of not being in control of outcomes.

The whole movie explored her loss of control. She wanted her husband back when she no longer could control him. What she liked about Ghallager was that he was NOT in her control, she couldn't seem to control herself around him, and he just held her down and gave her a right good rogering. Which is exactly what she needed.

Dominating women want to be dominated on some level. And I don't mean abusively. We (oops, I mean 'they') only really respect someone who isn't scared of them and won't take their shit.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 16, 2009 1:01 PM

Jacktrade it's interesting you say that. Both of those films really resonated with me and haunted me for a long time. Well, they still do.

When I saw Fight Club (when it came out in the theater), I was on the verge of fully embracing my political and social views and outing myself, if you will. I live in Texas and am a huge farking liberal. It doesn't sound like such a big deal now, a decade after the fact and nothing really earth-shattering happened. But at the time, I was a bit terrified and it involved a lot of personal growth. And I knew it would.

So I saw a lot I could relate to in Fight Club and American Beauty. Not only are they great films on their own, but I think I saw them at that rare right moment to see a particular film. If I had seen Fight Club as a 17 year old, it would have meant something different and potentially not had the impact it did later. Ditto American Beauty.

Sorry, I keep talking about myself. But in the end, it's all about how a film intersects with us, right?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 1:01 PM

Lindsey Every damn time I'm gardening (especially cutting roses), I think of that line about how her clogs and shears match.

I think her best scenes involved cleaning that house that was going to be shown in an open house. She cleaned the SHIT out of that outdated thing. Showed it to two couples, neither of whom were particularly impressed. Then after they were gone? Hit herself repeatedly. I developed an amazing amount of respect for her as an actress with that film.

That and falling into Lester's closet, embracing his clothes at the end. God. I died.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 1:04 PM

I never could get into it. I never could understand why Benning and Spacey didn't just get a divorce. If you enjoy torturing each too much to leave and be happy then you deserve to fucking suffer.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at November 16, 2009 1:05 PM

pissant Thanks, I never saw Not Another Teen Movie. And I never could make up my mind about the Colonel. Part of me thinks yes, he was gay, and extremely repressed. Part of me agrees with what you said.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 1:06 PM

Good points, Lindsey.

Posted by: Cindy at November 16, 2009 1:06 PM

SPOILERISH, sort of...

I read somewhere that a deleted scene confirms that Col. Fitts was gay; he was involved with some guy who was killed in Vietnam. I think Ball deliberately left it out because he wanted the audience to draw their own conclusions about the Colonel.

Anyway, I still do love this film. It's one of the few that all the performances are truly outstanding and the ending gets me every time.

Posted by: Brie at November 16, 2009 1:20 PM

Really amazing comments, peeps. I love this movie precisely for the reasons any number of you mentioned. The movie totally resonated with me, not to mention the fact that my dad kinda looks like Lester and my sister was a dead ringer for Thora Birch. That, plus the fact the movie came out during my parent's divorce, while I had just moved away from home and found myself in a 'real-life job' for the first time, yet hated it for what it did to my soul... well, let's just say, Lester became my hero and was a damn good cautionary tale.

Posted by: Stella at November 16, 2009 1:33 PM

Snuggiepants, I too saw Fight Club when it came out, and it blew me away. I felt (and still do) very challenged by it, as I'm as consumption oriented as anyone. I don't want to be that way, but it's hard in this country to NOT be...it's soo easy to get caught up in it all, and the next thing you know, you're obsessed with buying glassware with tiny imperfections that shows they were made by the honest, hardworking craftsmen of whereeverthefuck. I refuse to own a duvey though.

American Beauty always seemd sorta TS Eliot to me...in the end, the system gets ya, but it's important you try, and that you realize what really matters.

Both movies seem to me to be pointers to the existential wave that overtook the country then, between the easy opulence and nihilism of the early part of the decade, and the fundamentalist religious revival of the early 2000s.

Posted by: Jacktrade at November 16, 2009 1:33 PM

Lwa'e', you speak the truth about dominating women only respecting people that don't take their shit. I'll be the first to tell you that I like to get my way, and frequently do, but my husband does not take my shit. At all. Being with him, I have learned the fine art of compromise and that's one of the many reasons I love and respect him. Besides general hotness and nice ass, I mean. Before I met my husband, I chewed up and spit out many a meek man. I didn't do it out of malice, they just wouldn't stand up to me. Letting me run riot is not a good idea in a relationship of any kind.

I love this movie. Like Jacktrade said, I think this it does speak to the overall sense of emptiness in the 90s. Maybe it was just my teen years, but for most of the decade I felt like "there has to be something better than this and I won't find it if I try to cram myself into the boxed,suburban lifestyle." I do see it as a cautionary tale of what can happen if one lets one's life become dictated by others and the ever-growing pressure to keep up with the Joneses.

Posted by: stardust at November 16, 2009 1:41 PM

SPOILERISH, sort of...

I love it. We are now prefacing ten year old deleted scenes with spoiler tags. However, Brie, wikipedia corroborates your story, so I'm inclined to believe it.

Posted by: pissant at November 16, 2009 2:00 PM

I really love American Beauty, but it holds special significance for me because I lost my virginity to the boy I saw it with later that night. That's the first thing that pops into my mind any time I hear about it.

Posted by: Alexandra at November 16, 2009 2:04 PM

I loved the scenes where Lester covered Angela with rose petals in his little fantasies. It was a cute way to stick it to Annette Bening's character and it looked so beautiful.

Posted by: becks at November 16, 2009 2:13 PM

I love it. We are now prefacing ten year old deleted scenes with spoiler tags.

HA! I thought this too. Especially after that thread the other day.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at November 16, 2009 2:16 PM

Jacktrade you're making me swoon with this:

"Both movies seem to me to be pointers to the existential wave that overtook the country then, between the easy opulence and nihilism of the early part of the decade, and the fundamentalist religious revival of the early 2000s."


Who are you? I must know more about you. Can I stalk you? Are you on facebook?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 2:18 PM

I just saw this last year, and I didn't get it. I felt like I was supposed to find it significant because so many people love it, but it just makes me want to punch all the characters in the face. Except Angela and Carolyn, mostly because they're unfairly judged by the other characters in the movie that I do want to punch.

Also, about the plastic bag , there's an episode of Veronica Mars where she taunts someone by saying, "And how when you see a white plastic bag floating around, you think there is so much beauty in the world you can't take it." It makes me laugh.

Posted by: kelsy at November 16, 2009 2:19 PM

My boyfriend was raised in the projects in Brooklyn in the 1970's, and he teases me about being raised in the cookie cutter suburbs of Boston. I used this movie as an example, because although I wasn't killing roaches and stepping over crackheads in the hallway, the suburbs (at least for people I knew) had their own versions of Hell; everything was just kept behind closed doors. We were always taught that it was "nobody's business but ours" when bad things happened, so couples had their children and joined the PTA and coached the soccer team and made lunches, but a lot of the time it was an act. I had two relatives that were molested by priests. My mom had a friend from school hang himself in his parent's basement and no one ever spoke about it. A girl got pregnant at my high school and she quietly left. In third grade my friend James from down the street was asleep when his sister's boyfriend stabbed her to death in the living room. His family moved away and no one said anything to their kids about what happened. We had the picket fences and the perfect lawns our dads kept immaculate. And we still had alcoholism and mental illness and child abuse. And after talking with my boyfriend I'm curious about which is worse...to have everything out there for the world to see, or to suffer with "dignity" behind closed doors?

Facts About The Movie:

-Kevin Spacey throwing the plate against the wall was ad-libbed. Thora Birch and Annette Benning were really shocked.

-The bag in the wind idea came from the director sitting on a bench in front of the World Trade Center and watching a bag actually blow in the wind.

Posted by: scorzi at November 16, 2009 2:23 PM

More thoughts: rank the performances in order from best on down.

My answer--

1. Annette Benning. Just damn.

2. Actually, the guy who played the Colonel. Can't think of his name, but I've seen him a lot. During the movie, I kept wondering why such a control freak angry dad wouldn't ransack Ricky's room and find the stashed urine, the pot, everything else. I wondered why he never questioned how he could afford all those electronics waiting tables. But then there's a scene in which Ricky invites his dad into his room and the dad hesitates, then refuses and the actor has this half second look on his face, in his eyes and just from THAT, I got it. He was actually afraid, terrified of his son. His son was everything he was not and could never be.

3. Kevin Spacey--just the right balance throughout

4. Tied: Mina Suvaro (what the heck's her name?) and the guy who played Ricky. Mina nailed the insecure but pretty teen girl who puts on a front of cussing, lying, bad-assery but is actually terrified and mired in self-loathing and Ricky, well, damn. Dude was good in that flick.

5. Thora Birch--I actually thought her performance was the weakest. It wasn't BAD, but in comparison, not as good.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 2:27 PM

Yeah, I married a passive man, partly because I KNEW I could run the show. He was/is Zach Braff in Garden State. In the end, I hated his wussiness and he was overwhelmed with my adorable excess of personality.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 16, 2009 2:33 PM

I thought this was a great, if flawed, movie. I loved the Spacey and Benning characters and their fucked up relationship, but I seriously couldn't stand their daughter or Wes Bentley with his stupid boring face. They were just that type of kid I loathe--privileged as hell but all woe-is-me-let's-hate-the-world together bullshit. I hate the types and I wanted the both of them to go away and leave us with the more interesting adults.

Posted by: figgy at November 16, 2009 2:36 PM

And...the one reason I don't entirely hate "Not Another Teen Movie" (OK I kinda really like that movie) is the gag with the weirdo making fun of the Wes Bentley character. He's a total creep and has a plastic bag tied to his arm or something that he always carries with him. I thought that scene was ridiculous in AB and I love how they mocked it.

Posted by: figgy at November 16, 2009 2:39 PM

Two ex-girlfriends told me that I reminded them of Wes Bentley's Ricky Fitts. Judging by the comments here, that would seem to make me highly attractive to some of you and a laughable creep to the rest.


Dustin - re: the 1999 series: I found the Fight Club and Matrix reviews (although I don't think the reviews I found were officially under this 1999 series), but I couldn't find Magnolia in the archives. I think I'd remember that one, but maybe not. Have a link?

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 2:51 PM

I strongly suspect that Annette Bening was NOT acting...

Posted by: courtney at November 16, 2009 3:05 PM

figgy Why was it ridiculous?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 3:09 PM

I felt like it was trying too damn hard to be all unusual and artsy. It felt...artificial and dumb to me. Just more proof that the Wes Bentley character was full of crap. It's not very coherent, I know, but I just completely hated it and it almost ruined the entire thing for me. It was a plastic bag! Argh!

Posted by: figgy at November 16, 2009 3:14 PM

"... and I'm missing the James Bond marathon on TNT."

I expected to hate this movie as I hate pretty much everything in which adultery is a primary theme. Somehow I ended up loving it. (Though the floating bag scene does nothing for me.)

Posted by: Todd at November 16, 2009 3:29 PM

figgy The reason I ask is I was honestly surprised by my reaction to the plastic bag, because it was the opposite. And I could easily see myself feeling the way you did.

But I guess for me it was placed at the right spot in the movie that I could "buy into" it (though I HATE that phrase since it's used in my industry a lot, ug). Emotionally it hit me just right when I watched the film. If I'm NOT watching it, and I just think about it, I don't get it. Why did I get so involved in something about a plastic bag?

But when I do watch it, I get it. It's so odd. Doesn't he mention God?

Eh, don't listen to me. I'm also the woman who was staring into the eyes of a tree frog at the Ft. Worth Zoo and suddenly was overwhelmed by the feeling that the buddha was looking back at me.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 3:32 PM

"the buddha was looking back at me."

You too?

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 16, 2009 3:58 PM

Snuggiepants and Jacktrade... I saw American Beauty and Fightclub on the same day. I came out of the second one (whichever it was) thinking, "I just watched the same movie twice."

Posted by: Megan at November 16, 2009 4:02 PM

I found the bag extremely effective the first time I saw the film in the theater. Thomas Newman's score goes a long way toward making it work, I think.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 4:03 PM

Megan I really don't think I could have handled seeing both in one day. This is not a commentary on my internal fortitude, but just where I was emotionally at the time. But those flims would make a GREAT compare/contrast pairing. (I'm always a teacher.)

Damn, I want to do that just for fun. Break out the Venn diagrams, y'all!

Darth Yep, that's definitely part of it for me, now that I think about it.

If I weren't at work, I'd find the scene on youtube and post it.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 4:07 PM

"... and I'm missing the James Bond marathon on TNT."

Don't do that to me!!!

As for American Beauty, I've liked it, hated it and ridiculed it. Now I find that it's actually another in the long line of movies from that era that spoke in warning about a world where people conformed.

Remember when Kevin Spacey was an actor?

Posted by: Fredo at November 16, 2009 4:31 PM

"Lindsey Every damn time I'm gardening (especially cutting roses), I think of that line about how her clogs and shears match. "

Yes, that is pretty controlling, but that is self-control, a manifestation of her self loathing. "If I am perfect and matchy-matchy maybe I will be lovable/good enough." What I meant was exerting power over others. Gardening allows one to play God. I decide where,when and if you live, and I can kill you any time I want.
Gentlemen of the more submissive type should really steer clear of gardeners, animal breeders and trainers. We will own your ass. We will be obeyed.
The SO writes fantasy novels (I know,HUGE geek) that have lots of very powerful female characters, usually in the form of queens and sorceresses. I pointed out to him that powerful dominant women really want to be stood up to and challenged, not just worshiped and obeyed. A little worship is fine, but at the end of the day, Xena Warrior Princess wants to know she has been fucked by a MAN. Not a slave.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 16, 2009 4:49 PM

I was fully prepared to defend my love of this movie, but y'all have already done it for me. It clicked for me. I haven't watched it in a while, though. Might be time to do so again.

I thought Spacey and Bening were amazing in their roles.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at November 16, 2009 4:53 PM

Eh, don't listen to me. I'm also the woman who was staring into the eyes of a tree frog at the Ft. Worth Zoo and suddenly was overwhelmed by the feeling that the buddha was looking back at me.

That is one of the best mental images I've ever had.

Posted by: stardust at November 16, 2009 5:20 PM

@DarthCorleone:
Hmm. Send me a picture and I'll let you know (that is, the if you look like
Wes / Ricky). And oh yeah, are ya single? Hee hee.

@ L w/ a E and Snuggiepants:
Uhm, again all I can say is that I feel such an appreciation for what you've
written / thought on the thread.

Total comment diversion &/or maybe @ Stardust and gals above:
The whole partnership, balance, needs, dominating personality thing......
Is there a book that I've not yet read or discussion group I might persue??
I'm all about learning more about who I am and how I tick. Several of the
comments here touched a nerve with me. I'm quite intrigued. And yet single.
And nearly always let down by potential "matches".

Posted by: Ms MoMo at November 16, 2009 5:30 PM

I enjoy a lot about this movie - the performances (the strengths of which have already been mentioned) and several individual lines/scenes (I particularly enjoy the more comedic moments), but I do think that at times the film takes itself a little too seriously, as if it had decided that it was going to be profound and was going to get there, goddamnit, by hell or high water.

Ball's weakness here is the same as in Six Feet Under; telling rather than showing. Having characters announce their feelings rather than showing them through behavour.

But those moments are few and far between, and when I don't think about them I'm left with an enjoyable, well-acted black comedy.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at November 16, 2009 6:02 PM

"discussion group I might pursue"

You are in it baby!

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 16, 2009 6:08 PM

Preach it, figgy. It's a damn plastic shopping bag blowing it the wind. It's not a revelation, it's littering.

I love the shit out of this movie. I love it when Lester tells off his boss and lights up in the car to American Woman.

Posted by: TWoP Fan at November 16, 2009 6:11 PM

How much am I loving the Pajiba Love and this thread at the same time? A LOT. That is how much.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 16, 2009 6:23 PM

"hollow echoes of monotony, denial, and despair."

These are REAL American family values; the rest are window dressing bullshit.

While I'm thinking about it, add neglect to that list.

Posted by: Recondite at November 16, 2009 6:36 PM

By the way, the Colonel was projecting his own homosexual tendencies onto his son (who was not) because he saw Ricky hanging out w/Lester and assumed that was the reason, when it was the pot between them.

The Colonel replaced the pot connection with his own projected idea (homosexual) and thus why he does what he does at the end, is rejected, and because he can't live with the fact that another man so close to his world knows his dirty secret, that he does what he does at the (ultimate) end.

It's a tendency his son doesn't have, but because of their fundamental lack of communication (another commentary on the American family), purposes get crossed and confusion results with all parties involved....and bad things happen with ruffled conservative, repressed egos.

Posted by: Recondite at November 16, 2009 6:51 PM

Unfortunately, near the end of every decade there seems to be a set of "What does this all mean?" "Where are we all going with this?" existential-crisis films. EVERY decade people, so where are the breakthroughs? The profound re-evaluations of what gives us meaning, individual or collective? Or do they just make for good movies and coffee talk?

Posted by: Recondite at November 16, 2009 6:53 PM

Just in reading through all this, I'm struck how similar Kevin Spacey's character is in American Beauty and The Ref. They're really different sorts of movies but the dynamic is so similar.

Posted by: MM at November 16, 2009 7:08 PM

And, as much as I'm sure some out there don't want to make the connection, the addition of Eyes Wide Shut to the two-fer list already proffered would make it an existential fin-de-siecle trifecta, no?

Posted by: Recondite at November 16, 2009 7:11 PM

Ms MoMo >> There might be some physical resemblance, but I think the comparison had more to do with demeanor and mannerisms. I don't think I'm similar enough to him in personality, however, such that I would stare at my hypothetical girlfriend's dead father's splattered brains to scrutinize the beauty of the moment. I could be wrong.

In answer to your question, I do have a girlfriend. Thanks for asking. :- )


One more thing about American Beauty, as I don't think it has been discussed above. Thank goodness they ditched the original beginning and ending. They cut a ghost-Lester soaring above his neighborhood through the sky to begin the film as he did the voiceover, and the deleted/alternate ending had Ricky (and Jane?) going to jail for Lester's murder based on the videotape of his telling Jane he would kill her father for her. There's no way this bag would fly with those two inclusions.


Also on the films of 1999 topic - I know I mentioned it on one of the other threads - but The Limey deserves one of these, as does Being John Malkovich. What a great year for film.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 7:44 PM

For my money, 2001 was a much better year for film. You had Memento, Amelie, Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring, Black Hawk Down,(the unjustly ignored) No Man's Land AND Ghostworld.

And, of course, the Oscar went to Ron Howard's A Beautiful Mind. Figures.

Posted by: Irving Washington at November 16, 2009 7:57 PM

Another point in favour of American Beauty; Allison Janney. A small role, but she's just heartbreaking.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at November 16, 2009 8:07 PM

American Beauty may have its good points (Kevin Spacey's last good job acting, Annette Bening, etc). Maybe I'm just a cynical bastard who grew up listening to Minor Threat, but why did it take anyone more than two minutes to get this? It was like the Celestine Prophecy in a nice package. Where was the insight? Where was the subtlety? It was like a self-help book for middle-aged American suburbanites.

Posted by: Brenton at November 16, 2009 8:23 PM

And yes, it is exactly like Crash: well-made sermonizing, in-your-face commentary on the American public.

Posted by: Brenton at November 16, 2009 8:24 PM

Brenton I don't know. I consider myself to be a pretty intelligent, well-read, well-educated, self-aware person and I just enjoyed it and didn't see it as something I had to figure out and get in the first two minutes.

If it were a self-help book, it'd be the shittiest one ever written.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 16, 2009 9:23 PM

Irving >> Memento technically falls into 2000, but replace that with Royal Tenenbaums, and you're still making a pretty good argument to me for 2001.

That said, in my opinion 1999 is the best year in my lifetime. We can quibble over the best of the best trumping the best of the best in any given year, but 1999's greatness works on a number of levels.

The primary thing that makes 1999 an exceptional year for film was that we had so many auteurs finding, solidifying, or reviving their voices in that year. Whether you appreciate their films in general or these individual films or not, these are guys who always provoke discussion, and in the years since, the younger guys in particular have furthered their reputations.

P.T. Anderson (Magnolia)
David Fincher (Fight Club)
Spike Jonze AND Charlie Kaufman (Being John Malkovich)
Alexander Payne (Election)
Steven Soderbergh (The Limey)
M. Night Shyamalan (The Sixth Sense)
Michael Mann (The Insider)
Woody Allen (Sweet And Lowdown)
David Lynch (The Straight Story)
Anthony Minghella (The Talented Mr. Ripley)
David Mamet (The Winslow Boy)
Martin Scorsese (Bringing Out The Dead)
Robert Altman (Cookie's Fortune)
David O. Russell (Three Kings)
Kevin Smith (Dogma - even if Kevin Smith would scoff at my labeling him an "auteur")
Pedro Almodovar (All About My Mother)
Milos Forman (Man On The Moon)
Sam Mendes (American Beauty)
AND - whatever your opinion of it - the last film that the great Stanley Kubrick would ever give us - Eyes Wide Shut.

Hell, Oliver Stone even made a football movie in 1999 (Any Given Sunday).

The mere convergence of all these guys making a film in the same year is notable by itself, but 1999 was a pretty fun year for the more commercial stuff as well. We had Toy Story 2, The Iron Giant, October Sky, Arlington Road, Austin Powers 2, The Sixth Sense (as previously mentioned), South Park: Bigger, Longer, And Uncut (!), the groundbreaking Wachowski phenomenon that was The Matrix, and the little-engine-that-came-out-of-nowhere: The Blair Witch Project.

I haven't yet mentioned the fact that we had the biggest event-movie of this generation in 1999. Star Wars Episode I. Yes, many people were disappointed, but will there ever be another movie in our lifetime that builds so much anticipation and has people counting down the days and speculating about the next installment for 16 whole years? I don't think so.

The only thing that seems to be missing from 1999 is a Coen Brothers film, but given that 1998 film's cult video status, you could almost consider it a hit of 1999.

I guess Wes Anderson is missing as well, but if Rushmore had only been released a month later...

Oh, yeah. One word: Mumford.

I rest my case.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 9:23 PM

Irving >> Memento technically falls into 2000, but replace that with Royal Tenenbaums, and you're still making a pretty good argument to me for 2001.

That said, in my opinion 1999 is the best year in my lifetime. We can quibble over the best of the best trumping the best of the best in any given year, but 1999's greatness works on a number of levels.

The primary thing that makes 1999 an exceptional year for film was that we had so many auteurs finding, solidifying, or reviving their voices in that year. Whether you appreciate their films in general or these individual films or not, these are guys who always provoke discussion, and in the years since, the younger guys in particular have for the most part strengthened their reputations.

P.T. Anderson (Magnolia)
David Fincher (Fight Club)
Spike Jonze AND Charlie Kaufman (Being John Malkovich)
Alexander Payne (Election)
Steven Soderbergh (The Limey)
M. Night Shyamalan (The Sixth Sense)
Michael Mann (The Insider)
Woody Allen (Sweet And Lowdown)
Mike Leigh (Topsy-Turvy)
David Lynch (The Straight Story - G-rated Lynch that works!)
David Mamet (The Winslow Boy - G-rated Mamet that works too!!!)
Anthony Minghella (The Talented Mr. Ripley)
Martin Scorsese (Bringing Out The Dead)
Robert Altman (Cookie's Fortune)
David O. Russell (Three Kings)
Kevin Smith (Dogma - even if Kevin Smith would scoff at my labeling him an "auteur")
Pedro Almodovar (All About My Mother)
Milos Forman (Man On The Moon)
Sam Mendes (American Beauty)
AND - whatever your opinion of it - the last film that the great Stanley Kubrick would ever give us - Eyes Wide Shut.

Hell, Oliver Stone even made a football movie in 1999 (Any Given Sunday).

The mere convergence of all these guys making a film in the same year is notable by itself, but 1999 was a pretty fun year for the more commercial stuff as well. We had Toy Story 2, The Iron Giant, October Sky, Arlington Road, Austin Powers 2, The Green Mile, South Park: Bigger, Longer, And Uncut, the groundbreaking Wachowski phenomenon that was The Matrix, and the little-engine-that-came-out-of-nowhere: The Blair Witch Project.

I haven't yet mentioned the fact that we had the biggest event-movie of this generation in 1999. Star Wars Episode I. Yes, many people were disappointed, but will there ever be another movie in our lifetime that builds so much anticipation and has people counting down the days and speculating about the next installment for 16 whole years? I don't think so.

The only thing that seems to be missing from 1999 is a Coen Brothers film, but given The Big Lebowski's cult video status, you could almost consider it a hit of 1999.

I guess Wes Anderson is missing as well, but if Rushmore had only been released a month later...

Oh, yeah. One word: Mumford.

I rest my case.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 9:32 PM

Ugh. Sorry. Please delete the first one. :- )

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 9:32 PM

Snuggles: Like I wrote, it has its upsides. It's well-made, well-acted, and pretty, and quite enjoyable. But all the subtlety was in the acting. It was like being hit on the head with a hammer that had SUBURBIA SUCKS written on it.

>>If it were a self-help book, it'd be the shittiest one ever written.>>

More like a morality play, then.

Posted by: Brenton at November 16, 2009 9:47 PM

I'll add Gran Turino to the list as well.

Posted by: Brenton at November 16, 2009 9:48 PM

Total comment diversion &/or maybe @ Stardust and gals above:
The whole partnership, balance, needs, dominating personality thing......
Is there a book that I've not yet read or discussion group I might persue??
I'm all about learning more about who I am and how I tick.

That's a tall order Ms MoMo. I have a degree in psychology, so I guess that is part of it. Hmmm, I dunno. Maybe start with Maslow's Hierarchy of Needs and some research into self-actualization. The Myers-Briggs personality assessment is also a good way to learn a lot about yourself, though don't take the career suggestions as the gospel truth.

Sad to say, but I learned the most about myself after escaping an abusive relationship in college. Not a method I would recommend.

Posted by: stardust at November 16, 2009 9:54 PM

EVERY decade people, so where are the breakthroughs?

Isn't that part of the issue? That there is no real change?

Or, looking from a different viewpoint, every ten years, there's a whole new set of people discovering this set of issues.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at November 16, 2009 10:03 PM

It was a film of its time -- with no plausible enemies from without to fight, we descended into navel-gazing. I'd lump this in with Fight Club in that the lesson seemed to be to combat self-loathing navel-gazing with triumphalist navel-gazing -- both seemed preoccupied with the proper way to set oneself apart from the dominant culture of the day. To stand alone bestride the Earth, and superior to it. I ate it up at the time, and don't care to revisit.

Posted by: sansho1 at November 16, 2009 11:29 PM

Ms. MoMo,
I didn't mean to be flippant earlier when you asked for resources. I just really think at the end of the day you learn from experience. At a certain point you realize that the common denominator in all of your relationships is you, and the only one you can change is you, and that is OK. The toughest thing sometimes is to break the inertia of what you are doing in order to do something new. It took me 4 years to really get back to me after my marriage crashed and burned, and I'm not losing it again. I will not let myself get intoxicated by the notion of being taken care of, and I won't become a caretaker again. Luckily, the (new) SO doesn't need me, he wants me, and that makes all the difference. He is also an Alpha enough male that he isn't at all threatened by me or my lifestyle, and I couldn't control him if I wanted to. He has his own life and I have mine, and for now that is exactly what we both need. I am not worried about the future of this relationship. I already learned that the future has a funny way of taking care of itself. I can't control it.

The SO says stuff to me like: 'I like you for you, Don't change a thing.' {record scratch} What?! I am good enough as I am?! The HARDEST thing for me is accepting that, and just going with it. My self loathing is EPIC.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 17, 2009 12:03 AM

I absolutely agree, sansho. To incorporate the concerns that we seem to revisit the same existential problems over and over again; a couple of thousand years ago Socrates said that an unexamined life is not worth living. Later on, Nietzsche said that one had to go through an awakening in order to truly live. Then Camus spoke about the Absurdity of life. Then we had Palahniuk and Ball talking about modern day consumerism and suburban alienation.

We really haven't reached a definite understanding of how to live since we began pondering the question. But the important this is to think about it, not ignore it. And I guess that's what all of that stuff I just mentioned does and emphasises.

Posted by: bendiagram at November 17, 2009 12:16 AM

Who said "the examined life is hell?" Groucho Marx?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at November 17, 2009 12:19 AM

"Hell, Oliver Stone even made a football movie in 1999 (Any Given Sunday)."

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 16, 2009 9:32 PM

That movie has one of the best motivational sports speeches of all time in it! The football scenes are actually watchable too which is rare in a Hollywood movie (see: Unnecessary Roughness, Longest Yard, Varsity Blues). I actually have to admit really liking that movie.

Posted by: Alex at November 17, 2009 1:22 AM

Hey Alex...

"I don't know what to say, really...."

Posted by: gunnertec at November 17, 2009 8:39 AM

Darth: Oh, I forgot about Tennenbaums. Good call.

As for Memento, it was technically completed in 2000, and shown in a couple of film festivals that year (hence the reason IMDb has it listed as a 2000 releast) but its theatrical release was March 16, 2001, which is why htt;://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?imemento.htm has it as a 2001 release. I can see how it could be argued either way, but I'm using the theatrical release date as controlling, since that is what determines Oscar eligibility.

Posted by: Irving Washington at November 17, 2009 9:03 AM

"Never mind that Angela is also his daughter, Jane’s (Thora Birch) best friend."

So do you realize that by putting that comma there, you've said that Angela is his daughter?

Posted by: Steve at November 17, 2009 10:08 AM

Lwa'e' So tonight, darlin', I'M wearin' the spurs and I'M flickin' the crop. And don't gimme no shit, unnerstand?

(If that's all right with you.)

Posted by: , (just , cause I'm tired of typing that other shit) at November 17, 2009 10:44 AM

Also: The scene where Lester throws the plate against the wall -- I wonder if he got that from one of my favorite scenes, in "The Odd Couple":

(From memory)

OSCAR: I don't wanna see ya, I don't wanna hear ya, I don't wanna smell your cooking. Now get that spaghetti off my table.

FELIX: (laughs)

OSCAR: What's so funny?

FELIX: That's not spaghetti, it's linguini.

OSCAR: (heaves plate against wall) Now it's garbage.

Posted by: , (just , cause I'm tired of typing that other shit) at November 17, 2009 10:48 AM

Oh Big Daddy, we missed you yesterday.
Baby, I don't need props, they are a sad attempt to cover up poor technique. Leave the spurs and whip in the barn.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 17, 2009 12:16 PM

Irving >> You're right about Memento. My mistake. I still think 1999 is superior. :- )

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 17, 2009 12:19 PM

!

Posted by: , (just , cause I'm tired of typing that other shit) at November 17, 2009 12:40 PM

Big Daddy,
?

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at November 17, 2009 1:18 PM

Alex >> You don't have to be reluctant to admit liking Any Given Sunday to me. I enjoy it quite a bit.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at November 17, 2009 3:01 PM

Worst thing about Any Given Sunday is that people are always confusing it with On Any Sunday, the best motorcycle movie ever made.

Posted by: Jacktrade at November 17, 2009 6:21 PM

The only thing I have to add about this movie is it is number one on my whitest movie ever list. I have yet to meet a minority who thinks this movie is the cat's meow. So Fight Club was nominated for best picture against this movie? 2/3 of Fight Club was a great, the last 1/3 not so much. Besides I was watching the Rosie O'Donnell show the week the FC came out and she friggin spoils the ending of the movie on live television. Thanks bitch.

Posted by: coco at November 17, 2009 6:31 PM





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