"The Walking Dead" - "Welcome To The Tombs": I Can Tell By The Look In Your Eye, We're The Same, My Dead End Friends And I

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"The Walking Dead" - "Welcome To The Tombs": I Can Tell By The Look In Your Eye, We're The Same, My Dead End Friends And I

By TK | TV Reviews | April 2, 2013 | Comments ()


Well, that was a lot to process. I think we can safely say that few of us probably saw “The Walking Dead” ending the way it did, and yet there was an unusual satisfaction with the ending. It was absolutely another flawed episode — in some ways, horribly so — yet there were some amazing moments to be found, and the unpredictability of it all ultimately left me feeling more positive than negative. It was also not the action-packed battle royale we’d been expecting, and I have to say, I kind of respect the decision to eschew the conventional final battle trope.

What made “Welcome To The Tombs” one of the more difficult episodes to evaluate is that so much of it hinged on The Governor, and the writing for that particular character felt, by the end, like it had failed the character, as if it had abandoned the precepts that made him so fantastic at the beginning of the season. Season Three was about the evolution of two leaders, Rick and Phillip, and both what made them who they are, as well as where their paths would lead them. They were always meant to be two slightly warped sides of the same coin — men forced into leadership, who suffered loss and tragedy, who people looked up to even when they wished otherwise. And for the first half of this season, that dichotomy was a fascinating one.

By the end however, The Governor had become more a parody, a lurid, over-the-top cartoon villain, than a character that was believable in the universe we’ve been watching. As a result, the events that centered around him, that thus drove the show forward, felt clumsy and awkward. I believe that power corrupted him. I believe that he held onto his dead daughter in the hopes that she would survive. I believe that he would be driven to a seething hatred of Michonne after what she did. I believe these things. I even believe that he would use walkers as weapons. I do not believe that he is a man who would torture his friends and slaughter his comrades, abandon his people and do all of those things without blinking, without a moment’s hesitation or remorse. I simply do not. And that’s not out of some starry-eyed sense of idealism — that’s the glaring failure of the writers. They built a world of harsh and unyielding brutality, but it was also a world based on a certain amount of humanity and logic. What The Governor evolved into defied that logic, in more ways than I can count. Yes, he was crazy, but they didn’t do enough to make me believe that he would end up that crazy.

That was the show’s greatest failure (well, that and Andrea — more on that in a bit). But there were successes, mostly in the little things. There was a beauty to the intimacy of the first scenes at the prisons, with soft, subtle music playing as we watch the group slowly assemble, each carrying their own literal and metaphorical burdens. Carol’s moment with Daryl was genuinely touching, Glenn’s concern over Carl and Rick’s pained acknowledgement. Rick telling Michonne the truth, and Michonne somehow finding it in herself to be understanding. So many of their bonds had been frayed over the course of the season, and you could almost see them being slowly, tentatively repaired.

Of course, there can never be a perfect harmony, and as such, we’re presented with the resurgence of Carl. I’m of two minds. On the one hand, he served as Rick’s Milton — a narrative device to allow us to recap all of this season’s events. And I love him for pointing out everything that Rick did wrong, and all that they lost because of it. It was simple, direct, and unflinching. Yet there was something off about the delivery, as if we were seeing the reappearance of Bratty Season Two Carl simply reading off lines that should have been given to a more mature character. I loved the idea, but the execution didn’t quite work.

Woodbury was everything that the prison was not, although I will say this — the opening moments with The Governor and poor Milton? Those were the only moments in the show that felt somewhat real as far as The Governor was concerned. It was as if they tried to lay bare all of his motivations, wanting, even as he led him to his final moments, for Milton to understand why and how he’d become this monster. It was outstanding acting by both of them, even if it was ultimately unbelievable. Yet it all turned to tragedy as Milton is effectively gutted and abandoned, leaving Andrea faced with the unthinkable.

Side note: that said, enough with the “locking someone in a room with a zombie” device. It didn’t work with Glenn, it didn’t work here. At what point does the bad guy learn that if you want someone dead, YOU JUST KILL THEM. Someone failed Evil Overlord school, is what I’m saying.

Anyway. Andrea has been a farce this season, a pathetic and aggravating shell of the character that I really came to appreciate in Seasons One and Two. What the writers did with her over the course of this season is one of my greatest frustrations, driving a once-great character into a blindly foolhardy ignoramus who sidesteps anything even resembling common sense. It was almost as if, from her very first moments in Woodbury, she was destined to die.

And yet, there was something so affecting and almost touching about her death. Perhaps it’s that she was with us for so long. Perhaps it was the weird sense of shattering loss conveyed by Michonne or Daryl’s silent glances. Perhaps it was Rick, shiny-eyed yet solemn final words, not forgiving her but not judging her either. Regardless, Andrea’s final moments, her sad pleas for understanding, all felt just so tragic. In some ways, it made me angrier at the writers for manipulating the viewers’ emotions so, yet it was such a deft manipulation, such a well-done scene, that they also deserve some praise, for salvaging a great final moment out of such a poorly rendered character. It felt as if the whole scene was almost an apology for what the character became, a mercy killing to save us from any further degradation.

Of course, what many of us were most surprised was that the ending wasn’t an ending at all. The Governor butchers his own people and disappears with his two most loyal — or most fearful — henchmen. The prison remains as their home, now with several new mouths to feed. Tyrese is brought back into the fold, thankfully, and will hopefully play a larger role in Season Four. And Rick and company have a whole new list of challenges. Yet the show ends as it must, I suppose, even if it felt unfulfilling in so many ways. Rest. Recover. Rebuild. Survive. Carry on. That’s all you can do in this violent world where even the rising dead are not always your worst enemy. In the end, we’re left with a curious and unexpected uncertainty, and a villain who plagued us all season only to be left unresolved. Thus, we’re left pondering what the future holds for this fragile, damaged little community. Again.

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  • Mr_Zito

    This is a TERRIBLE show right now, and I hope I don't get fooled into watching it again when next season starts, like it happened this season (because you guys kept saying it was better than never, and even though the first episodes were good they were never THAT good). The Governor staying alive seems like a dreadful idea, I think he is half the reason this season was so bad, he was a terribly developed character and I don't see how they can make good use of him in the future, it would be better for him to at least have a good final showdown with Rick and have it over with. Now I feel like he is gonna be dragged around forever. Right now, the only thing I imagine could bring me back to this show is if they kill off Rick. Another character that has been TERRIBLY written this season.

  • St

    I can’t express how disappointed I was with finale. It’s like they pulled “The Killing” on viewers. People were tired from Governor few episodes ago. And it was ridiculous that someone tried to kill Governor once in a while but we all knew that it won’t happen. Because Governor had to die in last episode. Because he is like maim villain. And so we waited. And then he didn’t die! Which mean they will stick him in our faces next season.

    I’m not even sure I want to watch next season. What for? To see how Governor will attack them once in a while? For zombies? Or to see how Woodbury people will whine in prison and complain that it was better in Woodbury. You know they will.

    Did you notice that zombies this season are no longer threat? They just hang around when plot needs some tension. But they are so slow and week that they probably can be killed with book. You hit them with book and their had will fall off.

    We all waited Governor story to end. But instead we had Andrea and Milton dead and invincible Governor walk away. I didn’t want Andrea to die. Because writers could easily make her normal character next season. Like they resurrected Carl in S3. But writers destroyed Shane in S2 and turned sympathetic character into some crazy jealous idiot. And now Andrea

    And they had to humiliate character even more. When she was so stupidly talking to dying Milton for 5 minutes instead of getting herself free I was like: “Oh God. Never mind. Just die already if you are so stupid”. But once again – they could easily give Andrea good lines and direction in next season and people would stop hating her.
    Milton was interesting character. He should have joined Rick and Co.

    About those people in Woodbury. So all their lives turned upside down because of people in prison. Governor was their protection. They trusted guy. They had normal life there. Some members of their family went to fight with prison people and died. And then Rick shows up and is like: “Oh you poor souls. Your people died. But I can’t leave you. You have to go with me to my prison”. Please, most of those people would just refuse to go with Rick and would hate him. They would stay in their warm beds in Woodbury then go to cold prison.

    And you know who people at Woodbury are? They are “LOST people” . Remember how in Lost there were always some passengers in the background? We didn’t know them, didn’t care. They were just hanging around while our heroes did their things. Woodbury are the same. We don’t know them. They just hang around in background like furniture. I didn’t feel sorry for any of them when Governor shot them. We spent 16 episodes in Woodbury but we don’t know any of those people. And yet they had to bring them in prison.

  • DeltaJuliet

    Actually, wasn't it just some old women and a bunch of kids left in Woodbury? Didn't the Governor take all the able-bodied folks with him to slaughter the prison gang? Not that I'm looking forward to a bunch of (probably) boring and useless characters in the next season.....

  • Uriah_Creep

    Someone should do us a favor and shoot Carl right this very minute, because trust me on this (and I have not read the comics, nor do I have any advance knowledge): that little prick is going to cause a LOT of trouble next season, and we're going to hate it.

  • Knifey

    Two questions (in addition to "why the hell didn't she hurry up?!")

    1. Why didn't Milton crawl across the floor and give her the pliers?

    2. Why didn't Milton tie himself up/ in some other way make his zombie self incapable of reaching Andreas lame ass?

  • DeltaJuliet

    Well, he had essentially been gutted so I'm guess he didn't have a lot of energy left for such things as he was bleeding out. I don't hold much of the blame for Milton here. Andrea spent WAY to much time doing NOTHING. As per usual.

  • Repo

    I'm sure this has been discussed but was there ever any more in depth explanation to the time Andrea and Micchone spent together? I hope I don't sound crazy when I say I get a BIG vibe of something deeper than friendship there, especially from Micchone to Andrea.

  • mairimba

    And Andrea died just like Dale. She tried to be the voice of reason, but no one paid attention. Dale didn't want to kill the kid. Andrea didn't want anyone else dead. She was dumb to trust the Governor, but just like everybody else in Woodbury she didn't see the monster he was until after a while. (And Michonne barely talking in the first half of the season didn't help at all.) I think the writers could've done better with the character, but I didn't hate her. It was sad to see her go.

  • John W

    I hated this finale.

    Andrea is locked in a room with a ticking time bomb and she decides to have a conversation with it, also why couldn't Milton just crawl and give her the pliers?

    The Woodbury folks go to the prison and massacre a bunch of walkers like they're the Dirty Dozen, a dude has a grenade launcher which he uses to obliterate two of the watch towers, as soon as they receive return fire they run. Did they think they were on a Easter egg hunt?

    The Governor goes ape shit and all of these heavily armed people just stand around and wait to be gunned down

    Michonne learns that these people were going to hand her over to the Governor on platter and her reaction is: it's cool

    Rick and gang go to Woodbury and after learning that the Governor is gone they head back to the prison? With all the sick and infirm??

    Didn't The Killing get eviscerated for less?

  • TheOriginalMRod

    Oh yeah, and apparently Woodbury had it's own nail salon, and somewhere in between trying to escape and getting captured by the Governor, Andrea had time to go get a pedicure. But to be fair, if my toes were going to play a major role in the season finale I would want them to look as good as they possibly could.

  • amylu

    Hah. My guy and I said the same thing about her perfectly pedicured toes during that scene.

  • janetfaust

    I didn't even notice that, but good call. There was one shot during the excruciating monkey toes sequence where she had picked up the pliers, they cut to a shot of her face, then they went back to the foot which suddenly looked twice as big. Did anyone else notice that, or was it just the angle of her foot towards the camera? I thought maybe it was a male stunt foot for a second.

  • TheOriginalMRod

    We were calling her monkey toes too! That is hilarious. I'm going to have to go back and watch that scene again.

  • prairiegirl

    I didn't think the Governor's "turn" was such a stretch. I felt like he just completely and utterly snapped when his plan at the prison didn't go according to his vision and he is now 100% crazy. His moral compass is fully gone and he's just a ball of rage and insanity. I do agree that his two remaining henchmen should have taken him out while is back was turned though. But I think they are going to have Daryl kill him next season. At least I hope they do. He's the only character that deserves to carry out the deed.

    As for Andrea, I'm just glad we don't have to see her wide-eyed, confused/tormented face anymore. I was kind of wishing she had already turned by the time they got to her so we didn't have to hear her apology AGAIN. But at least we got a nice moment of emotion from Michonne to make it worthwhile.

    When Carl and Rick were discussing him shooting the Woodbury kid, I had this vision of them turning Carl into a crazed, Governor-minded member of the group. I'm sure they won't take it that direction, though I think it could be done, given all the psychological trauma he's endured. Talk about screwing up your psyche. I'll be interested to see how they play things out next season.

  • Bert_McGurt

    I think they're alluding more to Shane's influence on Carl - although his worldview overlapped with the Governor in a number of ways.

  • prairiegirl

    Good call - totally agree.

  • mairimba

    Doesn't matter how much he's toughen up, Carl IS STILL a kid.

    Being locked up with a walker is going to scare the shit out of you. Then if it gets you it'll rip your flesh out and you'll feel every bit of it. Then if there's something left of you you turn into one of them. So I understand the locking people up with a walker instead of just letting them go so easy as with a bullet to the head.

  • annoyingmouse

    To be fair, the Governor in the comics was way more fucking crazy in my opinion. I liked the TV version more, he was more sympathetic. Comic version, absolutely not. No redeeming qualities at all, if I'm remembering correctly. Just a fucking psychopath mad with power.

  • janetfaust

    In the comics, (potential spoiler for non-comic readers..........) I didn't think the girl he was keeping locked up was his daughter. I thought it was a random zombie girl he wanted to keep as a plaything. Maybe I missed something.

  • ninaws

    I think in the comics it was his niece.

  • hawkeye

    All of the build up to a battle to see who lives and who dies, I was so anxious, then kind of let down. The freaking Governor lives! Really!?! At least Andrea is gone, I for one, haven't liked her at all. In any season. I am left with one question, and maybe it was explained and I missed it. What caused the riff between Rick & Lori? Why was their relationship so strained?

  • Ozioma


    My guess is that the Governor is going to fall in with that cannibal gang that the group meets after the prison arc. We got some foreshadowing on that when he bit Merle's fingers off.

  • KV

    The 2nd season actually had the answer to your question. In any case, Lori had left Rick for dead in the hospital, slept with Shane, got knocked up, and admitted to Rick that she did not know who the dad was. If those are not good reasons to strain the relationship, I don't know what is.

  • Melissa D

    And then Rick killed Shane (even though Lori wanted him to, but that was still NOT COOL apparently), and Rick went all "everyone has to do what I say!!" and such. Tender Rick was not so much anymore.

  • annoyingmouse

    Lori didn't leave Rick for dead, Shane did. He told her he was dead/too far gone to try and rescue. He believed he was going to die, so he left him.

  • Husband and I kept imagining endings during commercial breaks. Who was going to die, and how, and when the Governor would pop up and shoot someone... And then the credits rolled. Husband said, "Well, that sucked." I agreed, but I also felt some of that positivity. It wasn't great, but I'm not sure it sucked either. It was just a bit of a non-ending.

  • lowercase_ryan

    Amen about the governor. I thought this episode perfectly summed up this season. Like so many episodes before, it felt like this one was written by two warring factions trying to pull the show in different directions. It doesn't work and they all come off as hacks.

    And I'm sorry, but you don't promise a showdown for the ages and then give us a bullet riddled turd instead. The battle at the prison was nonsensical in every way i cask imagine. On no level did it make sense to me.

    Anyone else think Mazara threw in the towel when it was announced he wasn't coming back?

  • You might be right about Mazzara, but he's a pro so it's possible he didn't do it consciously. The more I think about it, the more sure I am that the longtime TV writer/showrunner and the over appreciated comic writer/upstart TV producer didn't see eye-to-eye about the Governor's fate. The former (Mazzara) undoubtedly knew that killing the Governor is how you write a damn TV show and the latter (Kirkman) didn't want to get rid of him yet, because the actual showdown at the prison hasn't happened.

    Regardless, I'm done with this show.

  • richkime

    You are exactly right. This episode wasn't a happy surprise that defied our expectations, It was a catastrophe. It rendered the entire season meaningless. How do you guys feel now about entire episodes devoted to things like the negotiation between Rick and the gov? The tension was built up so slowly and in the end it was all a trick! Each episode promising something BIG and in the end, half the finale is Andrea tied up in a chair, all but begging to be killed.

    The shootout at the prison was 30 seconds long and made no sense whatsoever. 30 people with automatic weapons turned and ran from 2 people shooting at them. The writing on this show is so bad it's almost tragic. I think they know people will watch no matter what so they're just messing with their audience. Tried to stick with this to see what others like about it. Can't any longer.

    Oh yeah: Carl did exactly the right thing. This is another example of the pointless drama these writers come up with.

  • logan

    Andrea dying was bad and good. I hate to see her go since she was the most attractive woman on the show. But her character was written so badly I couldn't stand her. On the good side it does make the show scarier though knowing that an established character can be killed.
    To me the worst part is having the Governor live. I mean she's just batshit crazy now he's not interesting he's just a plot device. He will pop up and fuck the group at the worst possible time. I really think he needed to die and wrap that up and introduce someone new for next season.
    Carl killing the kid made sense in Carls world. In Carls world you can only trust people you've known for awhile. All strangers are dangerous. That's one thing these mediocre writers got right.
    I think we all agree the acting is good for a TV show. What keeps this show from greatness is the uneven writing.

  • 724wd

    "since she was the most attractive woman on the show."

    I think Maggie would disagree... and probably Beth.

  • Lauren_Lauren

    Michonne beats Andrea by a landslide.

  • toblerone

    YUPPPPPPPPP!!! and definitely Beth.

  • ninaws

    And Sasha. And Carol. And every female zombie character that gets a fraction of screen time.

  • DeltaJuliet

    I'm just glad Daryl Dixon lives on!

  • I dunno - Andrea was never my favorite character but her arc this year didn't bother me as much as it bothered everyone else. I just saw her as someone who was broken by this new reality. Completely broken and willing to live in any kind of denial necessary in order to return to any shred of normalcy that felt like life before everything broke. That was Woodbury for her, so even though she knew it was all a facade, she didn't care - it was better than the last 9 months (after being abandoned, as far as she knew, by her group in the first place).

    I hope Carl runs away and joins The Governor. That would be kind of cool.

  • Joe Grunenwald

    I imagine how I felt after watching this episode was how people who watched season 1 of THE KILLING felt after that season's finale.

  • amylu

    This finale didn't bother me so much. It left a lot to be desired, sure, but it didn't make me very, very angry.

    I'm STILL pissed off about the ending of season 1 of The Killing. Thanks a lot! Now you've got me all worked up about it again.

  • amylu

    Thankfully season 2 sorta/kinda redeemed it. At this point, I'm just watching for Joel Kinnaman. As long as Holder's on the show, I'll continue to watch...despite myself.

  • ed newman

    One of the first things they better explain next season is why the hell they would choose the squalor of the prison over the comforts and fucking electricity of Woodbury? And that explanation better make a whole lot of sense.

  • Melissa D

    I would think that because the Gov is still out there with (with a couple of his henchmen), they'd know all the ins and outs of Woodbury, as would any of the townspeople who joined them (they could become sympathetic to the Gov). Rick's group know the prison much better.

  • I'm guessing this is the answer the next season will deliver. But didn't Woodbury have clean water, some source of electricity, fresh vegetable gardens, and a zombie-free plot of land? I'm thinking that I would work REALLY hard to Governor-proof that scene before moving to the zombie-ridden depression pit that is the prison.

  • Melissa D

    They had a lot more people with a lot more ammo to patrol the borders of the town (and now the gov has killed most of them). Also, the prison has areas that you can clear and then secure just by locking doors. I suppose with more people, they could eventually clear a more sizable portion of it.

    Also, they did have electricity at the town, but that was provided for by generators. Given how they got a lot of their heavy weapons and ammo, I can only imagine how they get a steady supply of gas to keep those gennies going. And having used generators fairly extensively, I'd speculate that they have MANY. And speaking of generators, I get that there's lots of abandoned cars on the highway, but man, gas supply in general must be getting pretty low, huh?

  • Melissa D

    The more I think about the generator situation, the more frustrated I get with that point. Generators are LOUD, and they are loud all the frickin' time. Didn't a single gunshot draw the herd to the farm? I would think with the amount of gennies going they'd be constantly bombarded with walkers.

  • This times a million. They could've defended Woodbury from the Gov aand his last two henchmen! What the hell were they thinking?

  • Nope. You've gone soft, TK. That blatant manipulation the writers pulled with Andrea's death wasn't touching. It was infuriating, a last-ditch attempt to redeem a terrible character. And guess what? It didn't work. Hasta la vista, Andrea!

  • TheAggroCraig

    "I tried."

    -- Andrea, speaking for her writers

  • Ted Zancha

    Well that was just a strange episode. Like I enjoyed some aspects a lot and hated others.

    I just really hope that they don't mess with Carl. I think his evolution this season has been fantastic and the thought of him reverting to bratty Carl fills me with so much rage.The issue of whether or not he should have shot that kid is an interesting one, but I agree with TK, that last exchange between Carl and Rick was awkward.

    There is so much potential with his story. Him having to cope with his mothers death (and killing her) and growing up in a zombie wasteland could make for an interesting character study. They just need to get some better writers on the show.

  • Bert_McGurt

    Excellent review TK. It was absolutely NOT what I'd expected, based on what they seemed to be leading up to, and what I've read in the books. That being said, I don't dislike the direction they decided to go with the prison, and I'm very interested in what they plan to do from here, since the finale differed so substantially from the same period in the source material.

    I do think it'll be interesting to have the Governor still "out there", even while I totally agree that much of his actions in this episode were counter to how they'd built the character.

    But ugh. Andrea. I'm glad to see her go because she'd become too stupid to live. Even in her final moments she wants to dick around talking to Milton even as he tells her to hurry the f*ck up and get moving with the pliers. And they spent so much damn time in that room with a character that everyone's come to hate that there was less time to develop the actually interesting parts of the episode. If they'd have offed her last episode I think I'd have been a bigger fan of this one. I've said it before, but it's a shame to see one of the strongest, most reliable, and most generally bad*ss characters from the book reduced to an idiotically naive damsel in distress.

    So with Lori and Andrea gone, who's left to hold the idiot ball? It's going to be Beth, isn't it?

  • SottoVoce

    Beth is my guess as well.

  • Puddin

    That new chick, the one who didnt get shot? She's ripe. So is Tyrese's lady friend.

  • Shazza

    That's Tyrese's sister and she's pretty sharp too.

  • Puddin

    Sure, the kid was handing over the gun--in the most excruciatingly slow and menacing way possible! Carl was right. Kill the little thug. Kill him good and dead. Wasnt his Dad a cop? What about that whole "Drop it or I shoot!" thingie? Ugh, Walking Dead. Why can't I quit you?

  • Carrie/Teabelly

    Andrea's last moments were affecting, but she STILL bugged me. That 'I just didn't want anyone else to die,' bit...I just...I never got that from her the whole season. I had no idea why she was doing any of what she was doing, other than being dumb and annoying as all hell. Maybe that's what the writers thought they were conveying, but it didn't work on me.

    I liked the episode though. I liked that there wasn't a big standoff, even though I desperately want the Governor dead dead dead. The bit where he shoots everyone is shocking, maybe you're right that it's because we haven't been shown that he would do that. But I think it sort of worked. And I was shouting at those minions again. Why would you go with him? Shoot him now! Look his back is turned while he is MOWING DOWN THE PEOPLE YOU KNOW AND FIGHT WITH, shoot him!! Or get in the car with him, sure, that works. On you go.

  • PaddyDog

    Exactly! She stuck with the Gov for a long time after she had visible proof that he was a sadist. There was no sense until the last few episodes that she wanted anything more than comfortable self-preservation.
    I also think it sort of worked for the Gov to shoot everyone in a kind of David Koresh/Jonestown kind of way. These maniacal leaders do tend to over-react when they reach a certain point of madness.

  • DeltaJuliet

    Especially when their "people" stand up to them and/or question their decisions. I didn't see it as out of character for him at all.

  • That was fine. That Darryl didn't put a crossbow bolt through his other eye was a travesty.

  • ninaws

    Once great character? In the graphic novel maybe but she has always been annoying on the show. From the way she would berate Dale to her whining about wanting to be one of the 'guns' of the group, from her sleeping with Shane to her ignoring Michonne's advice and staying in Woodbury, she's been nothing more than a character who has made one annoying, bad choice after another. Graphic Novel Andrea was a bad-ass. TV Show Andrea was poorly written.

  • DeltaJuliet

    Well, in her defense, I would have slept with Shane too :)
    But yeah, I was watching some older episodes and she was so shitty to Dale, and kept whining about "give me my gun"....I mean, it annoyed me then and it still annoys me now. She was not the bad ass she thought she was. Not by a long shot. I HATED her character.

  • I was hoping for Andrea to die after she decided to have a slow conversation with Milton, pouring out her feelings instead of PICKING UP THE GOD DAMNED PLIERS ALREADY!

  • toblerone

    That's Andrea for you, even with the opportunity to save herself she stills manages to F#%! it up.

  • VonnegutSlut

    Here's yet another problem with that whole pliers scenario for me: if those were law enforcement caliber handcuffs, then no way in HELL is she getting out of them with a pair of pliers that looked like they cost $0.99 at the dollar store.

    Unless those were cheap recreational sex handcuffs she and the Governor had been using, then Undead Milton should have had free reign to chow down on her while she was most decidedly handcuffed to the creepy dentist torture chair.

  • Sirilicious

    Like he would use the recreational pliers in the MichonneMutilation Extravaganza. I was smirking at Andrea for believing in the pliers, then i was slackjawed for a tiny bit, then i was laughing at the writers.

    Suspension of disbelief is a necessary thing in many series, but why not just tie her up with a phone cord? Pliers can handle that!

  • lowercase_ryan

    My thoughts during that scene: my toe grabbing skills are way better than Andreas. I would have had those pliars in 30 seconds.

  • logan

    EXACTLY! The correct writing for that scene is "Dont die until I get these pliers Milton" repeated until you get the damn pliers. Anything else is stupid.

  • Charlotte Preston

    til I saw the check which had said $4611, I accept that...my... mother in law was like they say actually receiving money parttime on their computer.. there sisters neighbour haz done this 4 less than six months and at present cleared the debts on their cottage and purchased a great new Infiniti. we looked here, Big31.Com

  • Wednesday

    God, yes. I almost fast-forwarded through that part because they were hamming it up so badly. It wasn't like Milton turning into a Walker was going to be some sort of damn surprise.

    My teenager and I had a big disagreement on the "Carl Kills A Kid" moment. It felt ridiculously false to me, in that it was an extremely *sensible* move on Carl's part given that the kid wouldn't put his gun down. They've done far more callous things, with less reason, in this season. Yet it seemed like it was designed to show Carl as losing his humanity and provide Rick a reason to experience more angst. To me it was a bad scene as played out, but, my kid liked it.

  • David Sorenson

    I think they drew the scene out in an attempt to cause tension, but they oversold it. I was expecting the kid to draw on Carl at any moment, so it felt fine to me that he shot him. I certainly didn't get the impression that he was going to drop or hand over the shotgun, so it surprised me that Herschel kept going on about it.

  • St

    Same with me. I was rooting for Carl to kill that guy because it was looking like he would jump at Carl any second. It did look like he thought that Carl is kid and would not shoot. So he wanted to to slowly talk to him and then jump. Carl was right.

    But then they somehow turned into like Carl will now become monster. And he was right when he pointed at Rick for all his failures.

  • dannyexplosion

    I agree with Carl shooting that guy. What part of "Put the gun down" in this zombie apocalypse don't you understand? He just walked to them without throwing the weapon down and it got him killed.

  • DeltaJuliet

    My husband and I had the same disagreement. He kept saying "That was over the line. That was over the line" and I'm thinking "Really????I'm pretty sure I would have done the same thing, given the same circumstances."
    Carl's whole attitude sucked this entire episode but I can't say it wasn't warranted. Although, if I was Rick, I would have been looking for a bar of soap to stick in his wise-ass mouth.

  • Puddin

    Yeah, and then your kid shoots you. Put. The. Soap. Down. Dad.

  • Carrie/Teabelly

    YES! My god woman, you have a tiny amount of time to get the hell out of those restraints, and even if you pick up the pliers who knows how helpful they'll be, so get on with it! Argh, she can't do anything right.

  • David Sorenson

    Well golly. She didn't want to be rude to Milton. Dude's giving his last words, which admittedly were "hurry the fuck up before I go zombie and eat your face" over and over again, but he might have eventually said something profound. Hate to miss it because you're trying to save your own skin.

    Poor beloved Andrea. She didn't want anyone else to die, and she didn't want to be rude.

    In all honesty, Andrea died as she lived: incompetently.

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  • The Replicant Brooke

    I had to upvote you, because dorquemada is just an awesome name.

  • toblerone

    Not killing the Gov was an instant FAIL (right up there with Ghost Lori). I am so happy this season is done, but the fact the spectre of Gov will be hanging over the show does not bode well for the new season.

    HUGE +1 though for Dead Andrea.

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