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It's Not too Late to Abandon "Fringe," and Here's Why You Should

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under TV Reviews | Comments (73)



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“Fringe” opened with what was a decent but unspectacular first season. Definitely watchable, sometimes even enjoyable, it was a sci-fi procedural that boasted a cast outstanding enough to look past its faults: The charming and dry Joshua Jackson (RIP); the attractive but appropriately wooden Anna Torv; and the spectacular John Noble, who all along has been the real reason to watch the show.

The second season soared, at least among those who have an affinity for “Doctor Who” science, timey-wimey, and alternate dimensions. It had some slow spots, but overall, I liked where it was heading and what it was playing with, and though it wasn’t grounded in real science, it felt grounded in the science of season two of “Doctor Who” and that was good enough for me.

But this third season? It’s become almost impossible to watch. There have been momentary glimpses of the “Fringe” that I once enjoyed, but for the most part, it’s jumped the shark, overshot the whale, and crashed head first into the side of a building. The biggest fault with this season’s “Fringe” is that — unlike another J.J. Abrams show, “Lost,” which remained shrouded in mystery until the bitter disappointing end — “Fringe” tries to explain its science as it goes along. And at this point, series producer Jeff Pinkner and his writing crew are fumbling, madly throwing out science-sounding words and hoping that they’ll stick. It’s gone way past the point of absurdity.

The most previous episode of “Fringe” is where I finally decided to jump off; not even Joshua Jackson’s dimples and John Noble’s antics could compensate for the strange direction that the show has taken. It was bad enough that, last month, we discovered that the dimension that would survive — either our Earth or alterna-Earth — would be decided based upon which Olivia Dunham Peter Bishop would fall in love with. Really? Two-and-a-half seasons, and the entire fate of the planet rests upon who one person falls in love with? That’s some Fifth Element shit right there.

But now, the soul of a man who had been dead for six months jumped into the body of Olivia Dunham because of “soul magnet,” because she drank a particular cup of tea, and because someone rang a bell? Are you kidding me? And where is Olivia Dunham? Oh, she’s hanging out in limbo’s green room, comfortably enjoying some snacks while Leonard Nimoy inhabits the body of Anna Torv (and Jesus Christ, that Nimoy impression is embarrassing).

And the science of that individual episode? Alan Ruck somehow combines the two densest elements in existence (one of which, of course, comes from a meteorite) and that combination, when injected into people who can’t walk, allows them to float. Because two heavy elements create an combination lighter than air? How does Walter explain this? Well, it’s because the two dimensions are merging, and anything can happen. And that’s going to be the issue with the remainder of the series (which I assume, based on the ratings, will be cancelled after this season): They don’t have to explain anything logically anymore. They don’t have to ground anything in real science. The writers can always default to, “The dimensions are merging. Anything can happen.”

That’s when I jump ship: When a show no longer even has to abide by the rules of its own made-up science. I’m glad I stuck with “Lost,” even though I was ultimately disappointed with the way it ended. I enjoyed the episodes, for the most part. I liked believing there was something bigger, some magical way to solve the island’s mysteries, even if they couldn’t satisfactorily wrap it up. And like “Lost,” “Fringe” is creating story lines that it never follows up on. But unlike “Lost,” “Fringe” is not creating a mystery — it’s telegraphed an ending point, and it’s killing time while it’s getting there while simultaneously shoehorning elements into the serial plot line to steer us toward a predetermined conclusion. Worst of all, however, it’s not following any rules, either real-world, or it’s own made-up logic. And where there are no rules, there are no real stakes — it becomes to easy to write yourself out of a quandary by simply stating, “Anything can happen.”

And so I’m jumping off of “Fringe,” probably past the point that many of you have already jumped off. But for those among you who have also been wrestling with whether to stick with it or not, maybe this will give you the impetus to take back that hour of your week and devote it to another show, a better show, a show that doesn’t toss aside the foundation it built and resort to an “anything can happen” approach.









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Comments

I do love an ambiguous article title.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 21, 2011 12:02 PM

It's a tv show (AND one of the few good ones)... stop overanalyzing. People like you are the reason reality tv in on every channel. Luckily, it doesn't seem like alot of people check this site out.

Posted by: DarkPassenger at March 21, 2011 12:13 PM

Ya Dustin! IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!

::kicks rock::

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 21, 2011 12:16 PM

Whatever. I still like it.

As for dumping it for a better show (that you're not already watching), good luck with that. It's not like there are that many to choose from.

Some of you people need to learn how to suspend disbelief and just enjoy some shit for the entertainment value.

Posted by: Slash at March 21, 2011 12:16 PM

Also, Fringe is an X-Files knockoff. That it's as good as it is (however good you think that is) was surprising to me. I expected it to completely suck. But it doesn't.

I think their mistake is getting Peter and Olivia together. Just because there's an attractive male and female of approximately the same age in a show doesn't mean they eventually have to hook up. That shit is beyond tired.

Posted by: Slash at March 21, 2011 12:20 PM

You're still watching this? I jumped off near the end of season 1!

The science was always spurious at best. That was kind of their selling point. But it just felt that, like so many other Abrams/Orci/Kurtzman productions, they were going to be making shit up, dumping it over the side when not needed and give you an ending that didn't answer any of this.

Posted by: Fredo at March 21, 2011 12:25 PM

I usually agree with you, Dustin, but in this case, you're wrong. Fringe is damn entertaining. I'll watch it as long as it's on the air.

Posted by: whatsabana at March 21, 2011 12:32 PM

No one needs to learn to do anything beyond what they want as far as television-watching capabilities are concerned. I also think that Pajibans are more than willing to watch something just for entertainment value. (See THE STATHAM)

When I watch a show, or a movie, I am fine with accepting whatever reality that particular piece of entertainment chooses to use to tell a story. However, don't tell me that this universe is based in reality for the most part and then have an eighty pound women jump from wall to wall in an elevator shaft like a gotdamned spider monkey and expect me to just accept it (I may have watched Salt this weekend). That's not the reality that you, maker of the show/movie, sold me. And so I reject it.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at March 21, 2011 12:32 PM

But Fox says it's better than ever. What do they have to gain by lying?

Posted by: Robert at March 21, 2011 12:32 PM

I like it, you can't make me not like it, and I'll watch it til you pry it from my cold, dead, alternate-dimension hands. Dammit.

Posted by: Jami at March 21, 2011 12:36 PM

Dustin Rowles will next post a video asserting that his disdain for Fringe caused the earthquake in Japan.

Posted by: shawnp at March 21, 2011 12:47 PM

Lost was a piece of shit show that did NOT follow through on anything and ultimately didn't deliver. I question any attempt to use as a standard in comparison to anything.

I do however harbor doubts on the direction it has taken lately, including the return of moody Olivia. Anna seems to have lost her grip on the character when compared to her portrayal of Fauxlivia.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 21, 2011 12:52 PM

Sort of a sidebar here for a moment, if you'll follow me...

This concerns producers and the writing staffs of all television productions and as they relate to ratings. One of my pet peeves is when a productions is not doing well in the ratings, the people actually in charge of the day-to-day production suddenly think this is a keen idea to come up with a plethora of loose and stupid story threads that will never be tied up and worse yet a cliffhanger season (series) finale that will never be resolved due to the fact that the next season will never come to pass. "Fringe", it would seem is going to fall into the same pitfall as many before it have. Why? Because somehow they think this will motivate television networks to renew their production to resolve it- which rarely ever happens. The tactic might be acceptable if you're puling down healthy ratings or better still already have a commitment to come back next year. But otherwise you're only setting yourselves up to be cut off before the story is done. Worse yet you punish the loyal watchers who have kept you going thus far. "Fringe" is compounding it all doubly so by straying away from the formula that go it there in the first place and employing a tactic dubbed by the good people of "MST3K" as the "They Just Didn't Care Anymore Maneuver". It's as though they really just want to see what half-assed attempt will finally get them shitcanned. And yet what I think is most stupefying is that they have reached this point and are still on the air- as opposed to many other shows that were loved by people in here en masse and never given the chance to get this far.

So to sum up; to the people of "Fringe", get your heads out of your asses and treat the last remaining hours of this season like they are your last (because likely they are) and try to bow out with a little bit of dignity. Don't give your dwindling viewers more crap, rather try to send them off with something they might enjoy...and if you're thinking about strictly business, something they might purchase for home viewing later. They'll buy a lot of your lousy episodes if you can manage to end it all a little neater.
Once again, this was a show that started off wel enough, but couldn't keep the pace, quite possibly because it didn't expect to get as far as it did.

Posted by: bleujayone at March 21, 2011 1:02 PM

Seems to me that Fringe, X-Files, LOST, Battlestar Galactica, & likely other prominent sci-fi serials have lapsed into this phase where sharks are jumped & narratives unglued. Not to say that they all devolved into definitively bad shows, but it's the same complaint about every one of them. I guess it's a result of the formula, i.e. keeping the serial on air for as long as possible, running a show with multiple, changing writers, high concept, etc. You start out with a tight, promising show about people stranded on a mystery island, 6 seasons later the plot's turned into Drunk Uncle at your wedding, crashing & barfing into everything, maybe not enough to completely ruin your good time but just the right amount to lose viewers.

Posted by: the new transported man at March 21, 2011 1:03 PM

I'm amused that people expect real science from TV shows. We rarely get real science from the news (which is supposed to be real), that people expect it from fiction is kinda hilarious.

I get the "they don't go by their own rules" criticism, I just don't care. As with "Lost" and "X-Files," most of the "science" doesn't make sense, it's just a framework for the story. It's called "creative license." All shows do it. Fringe just takes it to ridiculous extremes. Which is why it's fun. If you don't agree, that's cool. But yeah, you won't get me to stop watching Walter and the gang. Ain't gonna happen, no matter how fucking crazy the show gets. Except:

If Walter and Astrid start gettin' it on, that might make me stop watching.

Posted by: Slash at March 21, 2011 1:03 PM

That Nimoy impression is terrible. Why would they give that task to the worst actor on the show? She has a hard enough time just trying to pull off an American accent without seeming robotic. I still like the show (though, I think it's mostly out of habit and Walter love), but if it was still on Thursdays and up against Parks and Rec, I probably would've stopped watching a while ago. They had something for bit when they were switching between universes, but even that got old pretty quick.

Posted by: jM at March 21, 2011 1:05 PM

You know, "Lost" kinda did turn out like a drunk uncle at a wedding.

That crappy ending must have been when it passed out in the ladies room and had to be carried to the car.

Posted by: Slash at March 21, 2011 1:07 PM

Is it too late to tell Slim that Fauxlivia is my drag queen name?

Damn it!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 21, 2011 1:11 PM

It's never too late.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 21, 2011 1:21 PM

This article should have been about CHUCK.

I know you hate it now too, Dustin.

Fringe may be on a bit of a decline, but CHUCK is nearly unwatchable. Remember all those "Save Chuck" campaigns? I regret ever participating. Someone need to mercy kill that show before it continues to further embarrass itself.

Posted by: Roy at March 21, 2011 1:22 PM

*Disclaimer before I start my rant: I loved Lost, and didn't even mind how it ended, because I'm not horribly offended by the metaphysical.*

Good God Rowles. Is there some sort of tiny leprechaun that breaks into your house every day and shits in your cereal? You loved Lost, which had a time-jumping island with a giant frozen donkey wheel that could move the landmass in time and space and an eternal protector whose job could be passed on by simply drinking out of any old container that just happened to be lying around and an unbeatable monster made out of smoke, but Fringe pushes the limits of what you'll accept? Simply because they explain TOO much with science that your magic all-knowing science brain doesn't accept?

I genuinely don't get you sometimes. You complain when a movie or TV show shows its cards too early, wanting more mystery. But when an element is added that fits within the structure of the universe built in the particular piece of media (i.e. the heavy elements combining to form a floating element, due to the laws of physics breaking down due to the intersection of the parallel universes), you also complain because it's not real science. You complain when actors aren't up to par or phone it in, but you also complain when an actor tries to step outside of his/her established role (the Nimoy impression isn't GREAT, but I'd like to see you do better; at least you'd be a dude doing an impression of a dude, rather than a woman doing not only an impression of a dude, but a dude 2 or 3 times her own age...cut her some fucking slack).

The most egregious thing about this article, however, is how you constantly complain about how stupid and lowest common denominator most TV is, but when a show really tries to have strong thematic elements, good acting, and plot arcs that you have to pay attention to (aside from your precious flower Lost, of course) you call it out when it doesn't meet these bizarrely high standards you seem to have. Yes, let's all stop watching Fringe so Fox can free up another hour for "Drunken Southern Teen Buttslam" or whatever other pablum they have lined up next.

I get that you don't like it, and I don't begrudge you if you want to stop watching it. But why do you feel the need to not only shit all over a show many people on the site like (from what I can glean from the comments whenever it is mentioned), but encourage us to stop watching? You often claim your readers are some of the smartest and most discerning on the web, and I can get behind that claim, again based on comments. So are you saying that those of us who like Fringe are just like the other mouth-breathers out there who watch crap and therefore get more crap produced every season? Make up your fucking mind.

Posted by: JustBill at March 21, 2011 1:31 PM

Rowels, I disagree.

Posted by: camila at March 21, 2011 1:41 PM

new transported man, add "Supernatural" to that list. The show was forced back on for a new season (keeping Jensen Ackles from his natural birthright role as Captain America) and, so far, it's been a bunhc of meh, with a side of "mishaholics". But that's because the show has gone on beyond the story it was meant to tell.

I think as genre shows moved into the whole "story arc" idea, it made them very specific to how long they had to run. That's anathema to TV networks who can't imagine why a hit TV show has to go away. They'd rather you just lather, rinse, repeat and shove it back out there like the many procedurals that they put out.

Posted by: Fredo at March 21, 2011 1:41 PM

I would watch "Drunken Southern Teen Buttslam". Just sayyin...

Posted by: solamente at March 21, 2011 1:44 PM

Bravo and agreed, JustBill. There is nothing I can say that would be better or more apt than what you've already said.

Except that maybe some of us don't care about science, and just enjoy the mystery, hot Joshua Jackson, and the hilarious Walter/Astrid bits for what they are.

Posted by: Siege at March 21, 2011 1:47 PM

Yes, it has slipped at times, and the current plotline with Olivia possessed is hokey, but I'm still watching, and it's had some good moments this season ("Marionette", e.g.).

Posted by: Drake at March 21, 2011 1:51 PM

@ JustBill, you realize that "being smart" and "enjoyingcrap" are not mutually exclusive, right? Rowles, for instance, has appeared on "The Price is Right" seven times. (But none since Bob Barker retired. He won't even acknowledge the existence of Drew Carey.)

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at March 21, 2011 1:52 PM

Peter and Olivia revealing their love at the end of season 2 was the moment I gave up on the show, but I kept on watching for whatever reason. Then the "which Olivia Peter chooses will decide the fate of the universes thing" happened and my jaw dropped at the sheer idiocy. And I'm STILL watching, apparently because I hate myself, but goddamn is this show a trial these days. I've given up hope it will ever recover.

Posted by: Todd at March 21, 2011 1:53 PM

Thank you, JustBill! Sorry, Dustin you're on your own here.
And Fredo, you have a point about Supernatural but I'm still happy to have Jensen Ackles to look at every week.

Posted by: Shazza at March 21, 2011 1:55 PM

Whatevs I still like the show a lot.

Posted by: kerokan at March 21, 2011 1:57 PM

I will forgive the occasional badly written episode for a show that gives me reanimated ballet dancers. The science may be crap, but people still take string theory seriously, so why should I begrudge writers for making up other insane "scientific" theories? Not the best writing, not the best acting, but a solidly entertaining hour of TV most of the time. That's a whole lot more than I get from most shows. Also, I will watch John Noble play the hell out of Walter for as long as they put him on my TV.

That being said, they need to put Peter in the machine and bring this season to a close with a bang, because I don't think they'll get another.

Posted by: Reba at March 21, 2011 1:58 PM

I'm amused that people expect real science from TV shows. We rarely get real science from the news (which is supposed to be real), that people expect it from fiction is kinda hilarious.

Even the "real science" typically isn't real, as with "real medicine", "police work", "fire fighting", etc etc on TV.

For me, when a show reaches unobtainium-fueled levels of "Yeah! THAT'S the ticket!" writing and starts to violate the rules of even its own universe, that's when I can only suspend my disbelief for so long (unless if it were to be injected with a combo of the two densest elements in existence).

The same can be said for some shows that fall back too heavily on "OOOOOoooooOOOoo! Look! Alien technology does weird things!"

Posted by: branded at March 21, 2011 1:59 PM

Dammit, Rowles. I think this season has been pretty good - yes some of the science is unbelievable but it's not a documentary, I come to be entertained. If people can jump between worlds, and hell if there is even an alternate universe, I'll suspend disbelief for a soul magnet too. Point is, Fringe is one of the better shows on TV right now and is already on the verge of cancellation, we don't need articles like this encouraging the Fox corporate monkeys to cancel it.

Posted by: Even Stevens at March 21, 2011 2:00 PM

Every time I see that picture I think "That's why her hair is so big, it's full of secrets!"

Carry on.

Posted by: Intern Rusty at March 21, 2011 2:05 PM

Hmmm. I gave up after the third episode of the first season. It got better after that?

Now if I could just quit Glee and Chuck. I'm so weak!

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at March 21, 2011 2:08 PM

It's the Abrams touch. All his shows turn to shit by S3.

Posted by: Gabs at March 21, 2011 2:24 PM

@Tracer Bullet: Yeah, I get that completely. I sometimes think it's Rowles who doesn't, thus my lengthy rant. However, that's assuming that Fringe is crap, with which I wholeheartedly disagree.

And touching on the "whichever Olivia Peter falls in love with" idea...couldn't that simply be interpreted to mean that Peter will ultimately sacrifice himself in the machine to save whichever universe contains the Olivia he loves? It's not like they're implying that the second he chooses one Olivia the other universe will be all "Nuh-uh girl, that's MY man!" KABOOM EXPLODEY SCIENCE STUFF!

Posted by: JustBill at March 21, 2011 2:28 PM

What @MelBivDevoe said, except for the Chuck and Glee parts. While I love me some Dr. Denethor, the rest always rated a solid "Why bother?"

The problem is the crazy-rules (It's Science!) thing works when it's a premise creating a conundrum or illuminating real-world stuff from a different direction. When the "tech" is a stream of (tiny) deus ex (nano)machina there to resolve random episodes within the script page count, it destroys tension in the story.

Good tech can be as simple as a universe seeded with Chappa'eyes letting us play with being an exploration culture again. Then what happens when we're the primitives and under threat of colonization? Bad tech goes back to at least "Spock, we're in trouble. Do something weird and Vulcan and get us out of here!" Boring then. Boring, still.

That said, I am now inspired to scour the Interwebs for a Dr. Denethor highlights reel. I didn't want to do anything useful this afternoon anyway.

Oh, yeah ...

Gaius Baltar (2.0) / Dr. Walter '12
Can you imagine the parties at the White House?

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at March 21, 2011 2:43 PM

What Jami and JustBill said.

Look, Fringe was batshit insane the last two weeks. But no more or less so than it ever was. Remember the first season when Olivia talked to dead Mark Valley for like half a season? How is that any less ridiculous than floating people or Nimoy possessions? Fringe has always been a sci-fi show in the vein of Frankenstein: it's mad science, key word, MAD. Dustin takes issue with a show where "anything can happen." If I had to sum up Walter's attitude toward life, as well as the defining ethos of the show, that's it, and that's the way it's always been. It's the reason I love the show. I get that that's not for everyone, but what I don't get is how Dustin didn't get that from the beginning. Deciding that one piece or other of, again, mad science, is unacceptable seems pretty arbitrary to me.

I love Fringe because aside from the great acting (and the fact is, if you could get past the idea of alternate universes, Anna Torv has been KILLING it as two Olivias--she's the female Enver Gjokaj), I know the show will surprise me every week. And sometimes, like with "White Tulip," or "Peter," or The Amazing Paula Malcomson (which is how we should all refer to her always) trying to bomb herself to Heaven, it will even move me. I have faith that the showrunners know where they're going, and I, for one, hope Fox gives them the time they need to get there.

Posted by: bravesjade at March 21, 2011 2:49 PM

I agree that Fringe is not nearly as good as it should be, meaning it spoils its many great elements with a lot of stupid stuff that gets thrown in the middle. For me it's kind of like season 5 of Angel.

But I don't think you get the "science" side of it, the whole point of "fringe science" is that what we call science is just a made-up way of looking at things, based on a paradigm of rationality that imposes a bunch of limitations, instead of opening new possibilities. The "fringe science" basically takes the point of view of the humanities, in which the scientist assumes any arrangement is possible, and applies it to the natural science. So maybe the mistake is that not all the writers get this, and they end up trying to explain stuff in the regular science way, when they shouldn't.

Posted by: zito at March 21, 2011 2:53 PM

Wait, Dustin was on The Price is Right? 7 times? I don't care about Fringe, but I'd like to know more about this...

Posted by: GreenMyEyes at March 21, 2011 2:54 PM

Wait, I may be just a little slow, but why did you say "Joshua Jackson (RIP)"?

Posted by: Connor at March 21, 2011 2:56 PM

You're giving up on the show now because the pseudo-science has gone too far??? The very first episode was wacktacular with the ridiculousness of the gateaux fou passing as "science". Fringe is not science-fiction, it is paranormal pretending to be sci-fi and that's fine, because Pacey.

Posted by: Hannah at March 21, 2011 3:03 PM

JustBill, you are awesome.

Posted by: ang at March 21, 2011 3:03 PM

Connor It's a Pajiba inside joke. They killed him off several years ago and now include (RIP) after his name. Have you met Charming Potato, The Vessel and The Emu? And no, those are not my pet names for Mr. Julien's naughty bits.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at March 21, 2011 3:08 PM

I tried getting into the show 3 times, during both the first and second seasons. They eps I saw were so mired in bad dialogue that I couldn’t stand it. Buh bye.

Posted by: Riles at March 21, 2011 3:18 PM

If I may be so bold as to speak for our Fearless Leader, I don't think the problem is that "anything can happen." It's that "anything can happen" at precisely the right time and place to wrap up the plot in a tidy little bow. It's cheating and it's bad writing.

Now, I can't speak to Fringe specifically, but it would be like Spider-Man suddenly growing gills for an underwater story set in the Negative Zone with the excuse "It's the Negative Zone; anything can happen." It's fiction; of course anything can happen. But it has to make sense within the context of the story.The writer can't just make up a bunch of bullshit because it's 4:30 on a Friday and he wants to go home.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at March 21, 2011 3:25 PM

Whatever. I like it. It's not great, but it's good tv-scifi. Try Being Human. Oh wait, you passed judgement on that before it came out. I'll get off your lawn now.

Posted by: seth at March 21, 2011 3:32 PM

That show has started being shit during the last episode of the second season. This season has it's moments (most of them because of Walter and the actor who plays him) but it mostly sucks. I almost stopped watching this season (several times) but I haven't missed a show yet. I decided to go down with the show, I'll stop watching when they will stop doing shows which is the punishment I gave myself to start watching it in the first place. It's frustrating because that show was really good, I am holding on the tiny hope that it starts being good again. Because of this I made a promise with myself that unless someone I admire a lot decides to be part of a television show or/and there's a Batman show where Batman is played by Christian Bale, a James Bond show played by Daniel Craig or something like that (theres at least 4 other options like these) I will not start watching new television shows!

Posted by: Nancy Roussy at March 21, 2011 3:33 PM

And why should we listen to an article that keeps referring to joshua jackson as RIP? Yeah no thanks.

Posted by: TskTsk at March 21, 2011 5:19 PM

(Skip this comment now or forever hold your peace.)

I wish I could read the comments to this, because I imagine it's a very interesting conversation, but I can't. Or, I don't feel comfortable reading more than the last half-dozen. I watch Fringe on DVD. I buy it, because I really enjoy the show, but it always airs when I'm watching something else (like The Office or Smallville, no accounting for taste, but shows I've watched for years). So, coming at this from the outside, but still a fan, it's been interesting watching the reaction to this season. By most accounts, it started off strong, as strong as season two ended, but somewhere around the halfway point for this season, some fans started to get mad. I hear rumblings of Pacey and Not-Cate Blanchett romantic couplings, which obviously was being initiated in the previous season (and season one if you count Pacey's bad attempts at flirtation), and that seems to be the sticking point. But, then, I haven't read all these comments, 'cause I don't wanna be any more spoiled than I already am merely because I can (sometimes) spend hours on the internet (daily) at my day job. So, thank you, Dustin for not spoiling much, and what you did spoil wasn't what I would call... Verbal Kent is Kaiser Sose material.* I suppose people could be disgusted with Leonard Nimoy's final performance, but I'd find that hard to believe.

(After that prologue...) I did read Tracer's defense of Fearless Leader, and yeah, that's the clearly the main point of Dustin's post, so why anyone would think he was saying a TV show where "anything can happen" (like, say, Community) is a bad thing didn't get it. But, the negative form of "anything can happen" is partially why I've always tried and failed to get into Doctor Who (consistently, anyway, because I like the tone of the show, but I can only go in brief spurts of two or three episodes before the logic/anti-camp receptors in my brain start firing), because there's always the unspoken "anything can (and will, whether it makes sense or not) happen". As a writer who dabbles in pseudo-science, I chafe at that all the damn time in my own work, and whether I succeed or fail largely depends on whether or not I understand my own rules. Often, it means having to go back and establish rules I'd forgotten earlier, because the absolute last thing I want is for fans/critics to hyperventilate and question my own internal logic. There's no coming back from that.

But, what I really want to say is this: Peter Weller's episode from season two is the tits and the balls and all those genitally derived euphemisms for radass things. Are any episodes from season three as good as the Peter Weller episode in season two?

Please respond by including my name in your reply, so I can just skim the comments until I see my name.** Thank you, and good day.***

* Spoiler Alert!

** Which isn't really that different from normal, honestly.

*** I said good day!

(This comment should be viewed as a fairly uncensored look at what I initially post almost everywhere, but end up cutting down to [mostly] the last couple paragrahs. This comment should not be viewed, by anyone.)

Posted by: RobP at March 21, 2011 5:23 PM

I've never gotten into Fringe, although a few have told me repeatedly how great the show is. What I've seen of it just seems like X-Files without the cool atmosphere and awesome leads.

Anyway, we all know what happened to X-Files at the end, and I was willing to give Fringe a chance someday when one of these friends told me that it maintained greatness to its end. Maybe someday we'll get a television show in this genre that fulfills that.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 21, 2011 5:30 PM

If I may be so bold as to speak for our Fearless Leader, I don't think the problem is that "anything can happen." It's that "anything can happen" at precisely the right time and place to wrap up the plot in a tidy little bow. It's cheating and it's bad writing.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at March 21, 2011 3:25 PM

I understand the frustration you have with this idea, but I still take small issue with it. In a fictional universe, anything does go. Now yes, it's always better for it to work within already established guidelines. But as in your Spiderman example, what you have to reference is the established rules of the Negative Zone. Who is to say (aside from the writer) that the Negative Zone doesn't create circumstances out of necessity for the person within the Zone. Something that extreme WOULD be lazy writing, I agree. But with the world of Fringe, it was long ago established that the laws of physics were breaking down, so I don't understand taking issue with an event that defies those laws.

Posted by: JustBill at March 21, 2011 5:41 PM

well, i don't live in america so i download the show and then watch it. it's only 42 minutes without the commercials. i don't mind giving up 42 minutes in this shithole where i find myself. cheers!

Posted by: splinter at March 21, 2011 5:47 PM

Don't you dare disparage The Fifth Element! But yeah Fringe is getting a little too crazy.

Posted by: camytaru at March 21, 2011 5:54 PM

I think Astrid is safe from Walter but I'm not so sure about Bell in Olivia's body. I bet that would get the ratings back up.

I'm still enjoying the show even with some of the goofy shit they're doing this season and I'm certainly not going to stop watching because some dork online demands it of me.

Posted by: snapnhiss at March 21, 2011 6:22 PM

RobP: Down though I am on the show as a whole these days, "Marionette" from season three was an incredible episode (though for entirely different reasons than "White Tulip").

Posted by: Todd at March 21, 2011 6:32 PM

I respect your opinion on most things pop culture related but on Fringe I am bound to disagree with you, I am in love with this show. It is one of the few shows that I look forward to watching every week and will be really sad to see go if FOX decides to cancel it.

Posted by: addy at March 21, 2011 7:17 PM

Eh, I'm still watching. If I like a show, I tend to like the characters too, and when bad writing happens to them, I get this we're-all-in-this-together Blitz mentality. Which led me to, for instance, watch Heroes to the bitter end.
Even if Fringe is going batshit, it's entertaining batshit. So it's ok by me. As Ricky Gervais says to people who yell 'that wouldn't happen!' at unlikely plot points: 'No. It wouldn't. Now go and watch a bloody documentary!"

Once again, this was a show that started off well enough, but couldn't keep the pace

It may not have kept the pace, but it's still got the Pacey!
*rimshot*

*crickets*

I'll get my coat.......

Posted by: Tarn at March 21, 2011 7:33 PM

I abandoned it a coupe episodes into the second season.

Call me prescient.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at March 21, 2011 7:44 PM

I agree that Peter/Olivia/Fauxlivia has been kinda tiresome. But not enough for us to give up watching.

You will never convince me to give up on The Walter Show! It is the highlight of my week! It's just about that only thing that gets The Mister and me butt-to-couch at the same time (oh, yeah...Justified).

And stop dissing Anna Torv. Olivia is stiff because the character is withdrawn and aloof and other adjectives like that. When it's time for Torv to play another character you get to see how good she is. For my money JJ(RIP) is the stiffest board on the show by a long mile.

The set design is fucking gorgeous--there are so many touches in the Alternaverse I sometimes have to hit "Pause" and just stare. They're no slouches with our own mundane universe, either.

And besides: Walter.

Also: Observers.

Posted by: Jerce at March 21, 2011 7:45 PM

"For my money JJ(RIP) is the stiffest board on the show by a long mile..."


Aaaah, how DARE you? You take that BACK! the late Joshua Jackson (God rest his soul) is/was the bright revelation of the series.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at March 21, 2011 7:55 PM

As usual when I see I title to an article that is incredibly stupid I check to see if Dustin (inevitably) wrote it. FYI Dustin. Youre an idiot.

Posted by: Melissa at March 21, 2011 8:05 PM

I started to read this post and my rage quickly overwhelmed me and I had to stop. Fringe is one of the best shows on television and John Noble and Anna Torv deserve all the awards.

Posted by: yodalicious at March 21, 2011 8:28 PM

You take that BACK! the late Joshua Jackson (God rest his soul) is/was the bright revelation of the series.

Don't get me wrong; I enjoy Pacey in the show. But compare him to almost any other member of the cast and he's Mister Poker Face. O'course, Walter needs a straight man, so it's fine.

Posted by: Jerce at March 21, 2011 8:57 PM

I hereby nominate JustBill for COMMENT OF THE DAY:

"Good God Rowles. Is there some sort of tiny leprechaun that breaks into your house every day and shits in your cereal?"

Yes, yes, yes. WTF, Rowles?

Posted by: An Atlantan at March 21, 2011 9:34 PM

*Ssshhhhh...*

[eyes dart from side to side]

I think maybe Rowles likes to stir the shit because he's just a comment whore...

[runs]

Posted by: Jerce at March 21, 2011 10:19 PM

As poster #1 said, it's one of the only good shows on TV. Keep knocking original material and we WILL end up with Realtiy TV 24/7, but perhaps that's what you enjoy anyway?

Posted by: ceejaymac at March 21, 2011 11:14 PM

i had no idea there were soo many Fringe fans around here. i feel such a warm fuzzy sense of belonging at this Rowles drubbing.

Walter has always been the champion disco king of wackjobby comic book science. reversals in physics due to combining elements in a reality whose fabric is breaking up sounds like perfect fantastic four hokum, and warms my soul. it's not 'anything goes', it's comic book logic to show Walter's panicky recognition of the universe's continued degradation. This is a show that had an eight foot tall bug eyed monster that turned out to be a giant virus. it's a show whose valentine's episode concerned a grieving widow whose pain and attachment was rending the barrier between the two universes. Of course it is, it's Fringe.

I do struggle with the attention and energy being put to the highschoolish love between peter and olivia. I feel a mixture of embarrassment and irritation at the lengths they have taken it. romantic tension between protagonists is always lively, sometimes emotional, and good fodder for humour. putting your protagonists in a relationship is the kiss of death for a show.

I was very happy with justbill's rationalization for the pathetic plot revelation-- 'whichever olivia is chosen determines the fate of the universes'. I'll buy it. but then, i just kinda love the walter show.

Posted by: idleprimate at March 22, 2011 12:02 AM

It's not too late to save Fringe and here's why you should:

- complex mythology with actual explanations and not just vague allusions with no follow-through

- a fantastic cast doing phenomenal acting, including a main actress playing THREE versions of the same character and subtly conveying differences between them all

- subtle world-building with foreshadowing across three seasons and not just shoehorned retcon

- damned fine writing that marries a monster-of-the-week procedural set up with a greater story arc that celebrates some of the greatest themes in science fiction, including identity, fate, the long reaching consequences of our actions, chaos theory and man's pursuit of knowledge to his own detriment

If you like The X-Files, Doctor Who, Battlestar Galactica, Firefly, Buffy, Lost, you should be watching Fringe.

Posted by: Mr F at March 22, 2011 3:36 AM

I am a huge Xfiles fan so I tried this show and it's not working. The acting lacks and the chemistry is not there between the two younger actors. The stories also don't catch interest.

X files had 9 season, at least 6 of it were amazing and I would still watch the worst Xfiles episode than anything that is now on TV.

Posted by: dani at March 22, 2011 4:34 AM

If you want something akin to "real" science on TV, check out ReGenesis (with the entirely awesome Peter Outerbridge). And no, I'm neither a troll nor Canadian.
But hey, I do like Fringe. It's not always perfect but it is entertaining.

Posted by: cinekat at March 22, 2011 10:10 AM

Never watched an episode, but I'll just start it from season 1 now it's been renewed. To me, this good news of a renewal means enough commitment with the storyline/telling, so, considering what most fans say about the show, I guess it's worth the shot.

Posted by: godzilla_foil at March 27, 2011 5:57 PM