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10 Things We Learned From The Season Finale Of "Game Of Thrones": Spoiler Whore and Book Reader Edition

By Joanna Robinson | TV Reviews | June 13, 2013 | Comments ()


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Author’s Note: Hey folks! We’re back with a book spoiler-heavy “Game Of Thrones” rundown. If you’re looking for eloquent or sophisticated analysis, I suggest you head on over to TK’s superlative Monday recap. This post serves mainly as an outlet for all your pent-up frustrations at having to tip-toe around your book knowledge lest you spoil a “Game Of Thrones” newbie. So, in case it isn’t clear, IF YOU DON’T WANT TO BE SPOILED BY BOOK KNOWLEDGE OR SOME INSIDER SHOW INFO, GET OUT OF HERE. SERIOUSLY, WHAT IN THE SEVEN ‘ELLS ARE YOU DOING HERE? LEAVE OR I’LL SEND YOU TO BED WITHOUT SUPPER.
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Are they gone? Phew. Anything goes in the comments, folks. We’re hoping this will help curb some of your urges to spoil in the regular recap. Have at it!—JR

1. Strongest Character Moment: A lot of us Book Readers were frustrated when Arya escaped Harrenhal last season without getting her hands bloody. That transformative moment came for her here in this episode. After we saw her harden at the sight of her brother’s body being paraded around, this seemed like a logical moment to meet the more violent side of Arya Stark. I think they did a good job building up her anger and resentment this season and the contrast between the hopeful Arya of last week and the ruthless one we saw this week. Also, speaking of that sequence with the Grey Wind and Robb, I didn’t think they’d have the guts to show it. Absolutely sickening puppetry. I’ve got a thing about puppets.
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2. Best Performance: This wordless moment from the dazzling Sophie Turner. Heart wrenching. Initially I wasn’t sure if this young actress was up for all the torments that are in store for Sansa, but she’s proved time and time again that she is one of the strongest members in the cast. I will be distressed, however, if/when they dye her hair black. Turner’s ginger hair is just stunning.
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3. Biggest WTF Are You Doing In This Episode Moment? Oh, Yara. I like this actress. I like the idea of another strong, militaristic lady character. But any and all fleshing out of Theon’s plotline is rubbing me the wrong way. Sure it’s cannon that Asha Yara makes an attempt to find Theon before the Kingsmoot, but I don’t really need to see her do it. It also was an odd narrative choice to not check in with the Ironborn all season and then expect us to care/remember them. I was sort of hoping they’d bump Balon off in this episode so we could be done with him. Maybe they needed us to hate him a bit more first?
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4. Character Assassination: Not to be all negativity, but I’m also not sure I like what they’ve done with Stannis. The rigid morality triangle between “evil” Melisandre, “good” Davos and “neutral” Stannis is not the dynamic I remember from the book. Stannis had his own reserve of moral strength.
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5. Something I Actually Liked!: Loved, in fact. I loved the bits with Bran, Hodor and the Reeds. Bran’s re-telling of the Rat Cook story gives me hope that eventually we’ll get Meera telling the story of the Knight Of The Laughing Tree. When I first watched the episode, I couldn’t believe the ridiculous “something scary is coming” noises they were trying to attribute to Sam, but it’s a dead-on rip from the book so I suppose I have to be okay with it.
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I also think this is one of the most beautiful shots we’ve ever had from the TV series and if the episode had ended here, I would have been quite pleased. Bran, Hodor and The Reeds are not the most compelling or popular characters so I understand ending with the crowd-pleasing Dany, but, well, we’ll get to that. Did I miss Coldhands? I suppose so, but the showrunners have always been judicious about exactly how many new characters they introduce in a season and I’m guessing they had already hit their limit. It’s fine that we’ll meet him next year.
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6. Favorite New Character: Speaking of new characters, the most dynamic has to be Iwan Rheon’s Ramsay Snow. Ahhhhh, isn’t it a relief to say that aloud to your non-book reader friends? RAMSAY SNOW. YOU KNEW NOTHING ALL SEASON, IT WAS SNOW. Anyway, we get why the reveal was held back. We get why, ultimately, Show Watchers would be disappointed by the reveal, but we cannot, for a second, fault Rheon. Remember when Joffrey was the sickest puppy in Westeros? No longer. I could have done without the bit with the sausage, but Rheon’s face is priceless.
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Additionally, and I mentioned this many times on the “Cast Of Kings” podcast, how sick do you have to be to get a DECORATIVE box for your penis-o-gram? Like, did he commission someone to carve a kraken just for extra horrific funsies? It would appear so. Nasty.
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7. Best Scene: Lifted almost word for word from the book, the Small Council scene was extraordinarily well done and helps put the pieces in motion for next year’s Purple Wedding/murder trial plot. We’ve got Tyrion’s death threat and Tywin officially all out of f*cks to give. Magnificent. Also, enough can’t be said about Jack Gleeson’s tantrums. I’ll miss them when he leaves us next year.
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8. Worst Scene: Some folks have theorized that the reason for this horrible scene was to give Shae a better motivation to hop into Tywin’s bed. I don’t get that. I don’t get what they’re doing with this miserable depiction. Varys was, as always, solid, but if this was some sort of an attempt to provide us with a better sense of the lower classes and their struggle then, well, I find myself not caring. I’m sorry.
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9. Ygrittes, I’ve Had A Few: I hated this stupid scene. How, exactly, is it that Ygritte shook Tormund loose and caught up to Jon? Rose Leslie was lovely as always, though, and I know many of you were upset to not see her knock a few arrows into that bastard, Jon Snow last week. So there you have it. I’m really very very worried about Kit Harrington’s ability to further take up the hero mantle and morph into the Lord Commander over the next season. I also think the showrunners are overestimating our ability to care about the Battle of Castle Black. But we shall see.
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10. Ugh. This: No I did not get a racist/white savior vibe off this scene in the book but the visual of it made my skin crawl. I realize I may be over-sensitive, but I think it was problematic. Many Book Readers have mentioned that because Dany’s role as “conqueror” and “savior” goes south so quickly, this fleeting and mistaken sense of victory and divinity is actually useful in demonstrating her fool-hardy approach. Lift her up to watch her fall. I can kind of buy that. I still think the scene landed with a thud and I still cannot fathom why they didn’t end with Lady Stoneheart. LADY STONEHEART. It would have been amazing.
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Best Line
Because “The North Remembers” is one of the most haunting, mellifluous phrases of the entire book series. This line from Tyrion evokes both the Manderlys and pies (as did Bran’s story of the Rat Cook) and I cannot wait for some sweet, gravy-filled revenge.
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Best Random Image Of The Week
There are a lot of enjoyable random images here, but I subsequently found this one which warms my cockles.
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Joanna Robinson is the God of Snits and Whine. She apologizes for the lateness of this post. You can scold her on Twitter if she’s not too busy podcasting about “Game Of Thrones” or generally mucking about. Send a raven, won’t you?



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  • Justin Kuhn

    The fancy leather box with the kraken on it, it was covered in human skin, am I wrong? This is the Boltons we're talking about. Possibly Theon's own? I could be remembering this wrong from the book but I feel like the box had some horrific details that weren't explored in the show.

  • Zombietroy

    I'm infatuated with Joanna Robinson...please tell me your single.

  • Mimi Honeycutt

    Ha, I know Yara's scene came out of the blue. All my film sense tells me it was done heavy-handedly...but screw it, I was still fist-pumping and cheering. Asha is my queen!

    On one forum, someone proposed she might intersect with Osha and Rickon. If Ramsay makes good on his threat to hunt the Stark kids down, it could be what amounts to a medieval pinball game.

    Also I'm curious how they handle the Kingsmoot. If they cut any of the brothers I think it would be the Damphair. Victarion? No way. Plus, he's a big warrior dude who doesn't mince words, likes to pillage, and loves to travel...he's Khal Drogo 2.0. Dany might just as easily be thinking "be still my heart!" when she returns to Mereen and finds him sitting on a throne of corpses. :-P

  • Ashley

    I like the Osha/Rickon intersecting with Yarasha but I wonder what would she do.Would she let Rickon go tell them that Ramsay Snow is hunting them down or tell them to go to White Harbor. What I find most interesting is that somebody on a forum at westeros.org (prior to the show sending Osha/Rickon to Last Hearth) had a theory that maybe they initially went there than to white harbor before ending up on Skagos.

  • Maddy

    I really need Asha to be at the Kingsmoot - she is what makes it awesome! Not a massive Asha fan but the Kingsmoot is something I always imagined being awesome on screen and I really hope they don't cut it

  • F'mal DeHyde

    The make-up department must have been working overtime for the scene with Dany at the end, every brown person is exactly the same shade.

  • Ashley

    So looking ahead what are they going to do with the fake Arya plotline,i'm just curious how the show will tackle Theon becoming Theon once again.Also I think that for Tyrion to kill Shae Shae would have to feel like there is nowhere her relationship with Tyrion can go so that when Cersei approaches her we as the viewer can understand and that'll make Tyrion's betrayal stick and give him reason to want to kill Shae. Also who will supply Sansa with the hairnet I can't wait for that to play out. Chessy voiceover and all I am excited to see what they do with Yarasha.Nobody has mentioned it but i'm excited for some of the storylines to merge Team Dragonstone and Team Crow,Tyrion and Essos.

  • Ashley

    This is nitpicking but I am sad that the show never gave Robb a crown to wear. The crown could really have evoked Robb's memory especially when Stoneheart gets it back from the Frey's.

  • Strand

    I'm guessing the box Ramsay sent to Balon was crafted out of Theon's breastplate as some sort of proof. The buckles and Kraken engraving are the same as those on the Greyjoy armour (compare with what Yara/Asha's wearing in her photo).

  • Maddy

    Is anyone else super confused about how they're going to handle Jaime and Brienne being in King's Landing while Sansa is still there? Doesn't this screw up them keeping their oath to Catelyn? I guess we will have to see ...

  • KV

    It's off-topic, but I can't help it. If GoT had been a mob story (a la The Godfather), Lord Tywin would have been the perfect Don Vito Corleone.

  • Enrique del Castillo

    Besides the lack of Lady Stoneheart and the whole racially charged images, the ending annoyed because it's supposed to be a hearwarming moment but I felt nothing.

    Yeah, they are slaves, they have hard lives but why should this make me feel better after the death of Robb, Cat, his unborn child, his wife, most of his army and any chance of the Starks having a happy ending? My show watcher friends thought it was dumb and didn't make them feel better after the RW (and I'm guessing that was the writers intent, to end on a nice heroic moment)

    Also...crowdsurfing? really?

  • I really thought Jon was hallucinating/dreaming about Ygritte. How in the seven hells did she show up so quickly? It all rubbed me the wrong way.

    But I didn't find the finale offensive, just a little cheesy. I wish we had ended in battle, or at least with dragons.I feel like that scene with the dragons burning down Astapor was the height of Dany's story and that anything after that would look puny and kind of silly.

    LOVED that scene between Roose Bolton and Lord Frey. I can't get enough of Roose and his creepy smiles and soft voice. Brr.

  • foolsage

    Eh, Jon caught Ygritte twice. I think it's only fair that she caught him once in return.

  • Zombietroy

    All I know is that Rose Leslie needs to cast in something else...like now.

  • foolsage

    I have to agree. She's wonderful.

  • Maddy

    Loved the actors who play Walder Frey and Roose, didn't love the weird clunky exposition ... "So whatever did happen at Winterfell?" "Let me tell you ..."

  • TARDIS. That's how they move around so fast. TARDIS.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    Figgy, I'm with you in regards to the aftermath of the Wedding at the Twins. I thought the Bolton/Frey scene was great. I love those two guys.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    In regards to Yara Greyjoy, it seems like they are just going to not spend any attention on a kingsmoot (assuming they kill of Balon, and I hope they do kill off Balon.)

    They were very specific on Yara's course of action: she was going to sail around the south, up the narrow sea, and land on the east coast of the north to try to rescue Theon.

    So, she'll be basically sailing up the coast around the same time Stannis is?

    This might get Stannis and Yara together in a way different than Stannis and Asha.

    I'm not opposed to this. I really enjoyed the kingsmoot and the political wrangling going on from the books, and I enjoyed the introduction and POV from Aeron and Victarion, but with the amount of stories to be told, I assume the Ironborn were going to be shortcutted as much as possible.

    My guess is we'll follow Yara through some adventures, but her ultimate actions will bring her on a course similar to Asha's. Snowbound with Stannis' army on the march to Winterfell. (Oh, spoiler alert for those who haven't read book five.)

    If Euron is even introduced, in my opinion it would be simply taking over the Ironborn leadership in a fait accompli, as Balon's eldest surviving brother.

    (I do hope we get Victarion in the series. Not that I like him or admire him, but he's a badass and I just like his no holds barred aspect.)

  • foolsage

    Yara has to be away when Balon dies and Euron shows up. I expect we'll still have the kingsmoot.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I don't disagree, but it looks like she won't be sailing back if she's on the other side of the continent when Balon dies. In the books, it was easy for her to zip home from Deepwood Motte. You could easily be right and there will be a kingsmoot, but I don't think they'll take the time to have Yara be there. And if Yara isn't there, I'm not so sure we'll really see the kingsmoot.

  • manting

    Victarion seems to play a bigger and bigger role as the books continue. I believe it is his fleet that will bring Dany to Westeros and his surprise attack will help break the siege and save the city as Barristan and the unsullied attack from the city at the same time.

  • Zombietroy

    I agree but with a caveat...I predict a backstabbing by the Greyjoys a la the Freys.

  • manting

    The crows eye maybe but not Vic - he does not possess the cunning or the disposition.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I have the same feelings that you do in regards to the Ironborn fleet. I assume we'll see something like that reflected in the show, I'm just not so sure we'll have a kingsmoot. Although I'll miss seeing the "Though All Men Do Despise Us" Codds if we don't get a kingsmoot.

  • Ashley

    I think we will still get the Kingsmoot I remeber the producers mentioning it in an interview somewhere. But I think what we are starting to see is a bigger and bigger split from the books and the show to the point where we will have book canon and show canon.My biggest fear is that they cut Vic in some of the boards they are afraid they will merge him and Crows Eye.

  • manting

    or all the great Asha one-liners - "your famous left hand" lucas cod.

  • manting

    Asha youve cut him to the quick." (Asha) I meant to cut him in the prick"

  • Dita Svelte

    Lady Stoneheart seems superfluous to any ongoing narrative (so far) - I can't say I would miss her if she didn't appear at all. Not sure what all the love is for tbh. It would have been totally bizarre if they killed Catelyn last week then brought her back as Stoneheart this week anyway - unless Steven Moffatt starts writing the show.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    The reveal of Lady Stoneheart in the book was just crazy electric. It was such a WTF moment. And this implication that the sh!t was going to get very real for the Freys. Undead Cat is so full of potential for drama and conflict, really scary conflict, and I think that's what's driving the love.

  • John G.

    Well, in the books, we get this slow build-up of magic, so the political story gradually starts to show magical edges. One function of Stoneheart is to show just how far down that rabbit hole we've gone.

  • ferryman
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  • competitivenonfiction

    You know, I'm starting to think that the show writers should knock off a character that doesn't die in the books. It's be such a shock, but in a good way.

  • foolsage

    Like Ros, the expositionary whore? She wasn't really in the books as such, so that doesn't really count.

  • I admit I'd love that too, because I love being surprised by that kind of thing...but it'd be damn hard to do, considering that George "Slower-than-molasses-in-June" RR Martin hasn't even finished the books and so ended the stories of certain characters. It'd be weird to have someone die in the show only to keep living and being a part of the plot in the books. Unless it's someone who doesn't really matter, like Loras.

  • competitivenonfiction

    I think the trick would be finding someone who seems to be important but isn't really in the end. On the other hand, I think that the characters all have such outlined purposes that I doubt there is anything extranneous to cut.

  • Maguita NYC

    You shut your whore mouth!!!

    Sorry, I really freaked out when I read this.

  • Maddy

    Haha omg! I was terrified they were going to kill Gendry and I would have flipped every single table ever if they did that

  • Guest

    Haha, that gif cracks me up. I just don't think anyone has been that mad at me before. Not even when I crashed my dad's car into my mom's car.

    But you can see how if the writers wanted to throw the book readers off course, offing someone (not necessarily someone we love) would be a good way to do so.

  • competitivenonfiction

    I jumped back from my computer and started laughing nervously when I saw that.

  • Maguita NYC

    Nothing personal Chica, it's a Community thing. Jump to second gif...

    http://www.pajiba.com/trade_ne...

  • competitivenonfiction

    It's ok, now I feel more like a part of the pajiba community than I ever have before. Plus, if someone else suggested that the writers take out a character just to throw off the book readers, I'd have responded in the same way.

  • Maguita NYC

    That was too cute.

  • foca9

    I initially wanted Lady Stoneheart, but now I agree with some people that it's okay they're saving it for later. Although “Mhysa” would've been the perfect episode.

    And for the white savior thing, I never got that one. Neither I nor any of my unsullied friends even thought of it before I heard you and other Game of Thrones reviewers were talking about it. Is it an American thing? (I'm Norwegian)

    Edit: Grammatical error. And I'm a Grammar Nazi.

  • Spoon

    Um, it's definitely not just an American thing. I'm Belgian, and when me and my friend watched the episode together, we were both wholly uncomfortable with the scene for exactly that reason. And the next day I got an e-mail from my brother - who hasn't read the book - asking what the hell that final scene was about. And I quote: "So 19th-century."

    Honestly, I'd have thought everyone with even the barest historical knowledge would have felt a little bugged by it, or at the very least would have been reminded of the long, LONG history of Western entitlement and racism...

  • foca9

    1. I get the problem after I've read it, I'm not denying the issue, and I'm not ignorant about Western history, I would say. Dany's white, and most people of Essos (and in this case, Morocco) have darker skin than her. And as I knew the story, I didn't see anything I wasn't prepared to see. I look forward to see how they cast the Dornish.

    2. You mean that all white people should feel sorry for what
    our ancestors did? I know it, but I feel a step forward is NOT to think about race as an issue. (I think I'm paraphrasing Morgan Freeman: How do we end racism? Stop talking about it.) If you get what I'm trying to say… I'm not trying to use this as a lot of right-wingers do, as an excuse to be racist, I'm just trying to say maybe this shouldn't be an issue. I feel I see this a lot in my generation (I'm 20): Race is not something we see as an “issue”, since we grew up in this multicultural and multiethnic society.

    3. I guess the US and Belgium have a different history than us—Norway has never been a colonial power like you guys have, nor had the slaves.

    4. I'm not sure if this should be a bigger problem for us than how women are treated in this story? Shouldn't suppressed women make you feel equally uncomfortable? Shouldn't everyone with the same knowledge of history react to that as well?

    5. What I get from ASoIaF is that a society where women are treated bad and people are kept as slaves, is not something we want again. It's our history, and we should learn from it, as I guess your point is as well.

    I've could've written a lot about my thoughts on this, I guess. Hope you got what I'm thinking.

  • koko temur

    Yeah, without offending anyone - definately american thing. Didnt see that AT ALL despite being quite liberal myself.

  • ferryman

    Don't worry, you're normal. Here in the US, it's totally in fashion to have a "white persons guilt" to demonstrate how hip you are and how in touch with the poor inner city masses you "be". One of the requirements is a hypersensitivity to the subject of slavery and the relationship between white and non white (except for Asians... we're allowed to pretend they are white, or some junk) races. It's all very moronic, but if you are able to display your indignation well enough, it supposedly absolves you of any of the responsibility your ancestors had in the whole slavery debacle. That is, if they had any part of it at all. Everyone assumes they did though, so it serves the purpose of supplying the guilt, and somehow makes buying liquor and smokes on your government assistance food card okay.

    Oh yeah, and all blonde women are supposed to marry professional athletes here and rappers with scary stupid nicknames too. Of course they wouldn't refer to it as a nickname, that would ruin their "street cred".

  • snrp

    Go crawl back into the hole you came from.

  • manting

    I would guess he is either a troll or from Mississippi, or both.

  • John G.

    I can't wait to see how Charles Dance delivers the line "Wherever whores go."

  • foolsage

    Twaaaang! Kerr-thunk!

  • manting

    say whore one more time, I dare you.

  • Whore.

    Whore-dor.

    Hodor.

  • manting

    I enjoy your wordplay (reluctantly puts crossbow down)

  • Maddy

    As much as people complain about show Stannis (I actually really like him) you cannot deny that Davos is adorable. I could watch a whole show of Shireen and Davos reading Green Eggs and Ham by candlelight. I didn't really care about Davos in the books but I am all about him in the show- this happened to me with Jorah as well ... I think actor attractiveness has much more influence on me than it should ...

  • Davos has quickly become my favorite character, thanks to the show. He's just awesome and hilarious, and GOOD. In the non-evil sense, I mean.

  • I adore Davos Seaworth. Like, Davos for King levels of adoration. He's a decent father, he loves his wife, and if he had his way he'd just go back home and let the lords settle this thing. But he knows Stannis needs him, and so he goes.

    I was re-reading the other day the part with the Maester at Dragonstone and his opinion of Davos, and all his thoughts about Stannis. I honestly think that's why I have such a level of sympathy for Stannis, and such love for Davos.

  • Ashley

    I love Davos even in the book.I love when he goes to the Manderly's and basically hands it to the Frey's as well as Wylla's speech about the Starks and Manderly's. I can't wait for the show to display how loyal people were or still are to the Starks.

  • Maddy

    Frey Pie is basically the best thing EVER. Maybe I'm naive and still haven't learned my lesson but I'm still rooting for the Starks

  • manting

    I think he's a little old for you

  • Maddy

    And how do you know how old I am ...

  • manting

    It was a joke dammit - would you have preferred I said he's too young for you?

  • Maddy

    Haha fair enough! I won't deny I have a thing for the older dudes on this show, and now Richard Madden is gone what else do I have! (And don't say that emo kid Jon Snow because NO)

  • manting

    Davos is one of my favorite characters - I have a question about his fingerbones. At one point in DoD Mellisandre mentions them and how they could be used to create a glamour. Was it a throwaway line or did it have some more important meaning?

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I don't remember that exchange, darnit. So I have no opinion. So why did I post this? Time to redirect... Dances with Dragons? There's no Missy/Davos scene in the book. Was it one of her POV chapters, or one of Jon's? I'd like to track that down.

  • manting

    its in the middle of the book where Mellisandre reveals to Jon that Rattleshirt is really Mance. She states on page 419 in my copy " The bones remember. The strongest glamors are built of such things. A dead mans boots, a hank of hair, a Bag of Fingerbones." I was just wondering why she mentioned the fingerbones. Davos lost them at the Battle of the Blackwater. Could she have them somehow?

  • Pat Sponaugle

    Excellent research, manting. I'd be surprised if she had the bones though. But it's an interesting factoid.

  • manting

    I will look it up presently.

  • Ashley

    Yes I remember that and thought that she was referring to Davos' bones and that she may have switched them before he left. I known in a SSM he did say she has her own agenda so i'm wondering what that is. Also she messed with Ghost in someway because when Mel went to pet Ghost he was totally fine and didn't even come to Jon when he called him over.I believe it is the sixth Jon chapter.

  • manting

    What is a SSM?

  • Ashley

    SSM is So Spake Martin basically a collection of interviews where people ask martin questions and he gives fairly explicit answers.Some date back to the 90's I believe.He was more forthcoming with information before the series/fandom grew to what is has become nowadays.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I'm also a fan of TV Stannis as is. Although it might simply be that I constantly rationalize and filter everything he does or says through a filter. I agree with Joanna that TV Stannis seems less consistent than book Stannis, but I don't think it's a bad thing.

  • One of the things I think of when I mull on Book Stannis is the line about "he will break before he bends" - he's the pure iron. I forget which character says it, but basically Robert was the true steel, Stannis was the hard but brittle iron, and Renly was the shiny copper. (It's also why I had issues with Stannis getting it on with Melisandre - that's so far out of his character it was hard to buy. Pardon the pun.)

    I don't think we necessarily get Stannis' hardness in the show the way we do in the book. Although the one thing I give Book Stannis is that he's not necessarily the religious fanatic, he just wants someone to give him what he believes is his by rights.

  • Al Link

    That's what I've always gotten from Stannis, that he feels he is only doing what's necessary to attain what's "his" the religion and whatever horrors he has to face to receive his "birthright" are just a means to an end.

  • manting

    its the one armed smith at castle black- Noye I think. He gets killed by Mag the Mighty

  • Ashley

    Totally agree, I even have a non-reader friend who LOVES Stannis (don't know why), but I like both Stannis'. But he is still a dick though even in the book I mean the dude openly shuns his wife and he still sacrifices people even without the prodding of Mel so he is just a dick all around.

  • Maddy

    Dude is such an asshole. I only started to like him more when he went to the Wall

  • Maddy

    Yay this post is awesome! Am so glad we finally got to see Arya becoming a sociopathic killer that scene gave me chills. I was really worried after they took her kills away from her last season but I like that in the show it is the Red Wedding that is the impetus for her transformation. Also yay for the Sophie Turner love - Sansa is one of those characters that took me a couple of rereads to really appreciate and I think she actually has one of the harder jobs on the show and does it brilliantly.

  • John W

    You pretty much hit every nail on the head.

    I wish Kevan Lannister was present in the Lannister family meeting if only to allow Tywin to chastise Cersei once more the way he does in the book. Can never have enough Tywin dressing someone down.

    I'm disappointed they didn't have the weirwood door at the bottom of the well.

    I'm still holding out hope that next season we'll see a return of Nymeria and her army of wolves.

  • freetickles

    I was shocked we didn't get Nymeria finding Cat's body in the finale.

  • Graeme Hill

    Far too soon for Lady Stoneheart. After appearing in the books she then completely disappeared. What would be the point of introducing her now and then not referring to her again for however many more seasons until GRRM unearths her again?

  • I'm with you. Think of how long it takes for Brienne to run into her. Yeah, there's a scene with some old guy and the Brotherhood, but the show won't bother with that. It's gonna be a long time, and frankly I think the longer it takes, the better. It'll be even more of a shock when she appears.

  • Ashley

    Or it would be interesting if they showed Stoneheart but didn't show her face and show how frightened the victim is so the audience is like woah who is this person and why is this guy so afraid.

  • Pat Sponaugle

    I wouldn't mind a Frey getting hung every episode next season, had Catelyn arose. It's not like we'd be running out of Freys that quickly.

  • John G.

    the point would be to get the non-book readers talking about possibilities. That's most of the fun for me in reading the books.

  • Yossarian

    Everything about that small council scene was great. How great was Joffery when he first bounced into the room all giddy and cocky and barely able to contain his idiot grin (over the fact that his enemies are dead because his grandfather hatched a deal that he had absolutely nothing to do with)?

    And Tyrion openly threatening Joff even though everyone, even Pycelle, gives him shit and he really has no friends or allies in King's Landing. It's going to pay off exquisitely when he gets blamed for Joffery's murder.

    And Charles Dance's steely reaction to Joffery's outburst was just amazing.

    And the contrast between Tywin (family, even if you don't like them) and Balon Greyjoy who basically wrote off his son as not being a Greyjoy after he fostered at Winterfell (and now wrote him off as not even being a son after, you know)

  • competitivenonfiction

    This scene made me think that if Joffery wasn't killed by the Queen of Roses, Tywin would have done it himself after Joffery produced an heir. No way was Papa Lannister letting Joffery turn into a man he couldn't control.

  • manting

    He would have given him a "sharp lesson," as he tells Tyrion. Tyrion's sharp lesson being the whole "garrison rapes your wife and you go last," kind of lesson.

  • competitivenonfiction

    The thing is that, his sharp lesson for Tyrion works because Tywin had more power than Tyrion. In a few years this wouldn't have been the case for Joffery anymore. Perhaps Joffery would have had Tywin killed eventually or retired in some way. But, somewhere, someone would have killed Joffery, it was more a matter of who did it first.

  • The_Ghost_of_Bo_Crowder

    It's a nice idea,

    You could make the point that there's already a far more compliant Lannister directly in line after Joffrey so an heir from him wouldn't really be necessary, but Tommen's good nature probably wouldn't appeal to Tywin given the problems that resulted from his own father being a bit of a walkover.

    The prospect of a young Lannister that Tywin could raise to power whilst remaining as hand would be very appealing to him indeed.

  • Lisa

    I don't think it was made that clear that Ramsay burned down Winterfell. Do show watcher think the iron men did it or did they understand that it was Ramsay?

  • Maddy

    I'm pretty sure Roose mentioned that it was Ramsay when he was talking to Walder Frey? Even though that scene had some awkward clunky exposition those 2 actors were great ... I officially have a thing for the bad guys in this show

  • mswas

    Will next season's opening credits show Rook's Rest with a tiny Gendry in a boat rowing in circles?

  • Gendry's going to have some serious guns if he's rowing all season...

    (That is the one thing that bugged me about Joe Dempsie. I mean, he's good and all, but Gendry was supposed to be very physically imposing, much like Robert Baratheon. A small nitpick. I did like what they've done with him.)

  • kbenton

    Hahahaha, I really hope so...

  • Shae: I like TV-Shae more than book-Shae (who really is just a money-grubbing jerk)... and I loved her speech in the finale of season 2... but they're really tying themselves up in knots with this character now... I would've applauded the Varys-Shae scene if it hadn't ended with her refusal to leave. Since they've gone to the trouble of changing her this much, do they really HAVE to stick to the Tyrion kills Tywin and Shae plotline (Which I hate in the book anyway)... having tyrion kill Tywin will be more than enough for me... if they want to show Tywin up as a hypocrite, fine, just put another prostitute in his bed -- just don't have Tyrion hurt her!

  • Guest

    What if Tyrion kills Tywin first and Shae catches him because she was there on other business maybe to plead for his freedom but he in his anger he kills her before she can explain

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