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Surprising Finding: America Loves B+ Movies

By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Think Pieces | Comments (11)



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A common bit of cynical wisdom is that good movies do exist, but most people are idiots and go see the bad movies instead. If one wanted to test whether that hypothesis was true, one could imagine doing something like comparing box office takes against the quality of movies. The problem with doing something like that is that there isn’t a good way to objectively measure the quality of a film. I mean, that’s why there are movie review sites in the first place. And that’s why there are particular sites like us that quite vigorously refuse to assign some number or grade to films.

But if we want to figure out if there is some validity to the idea that the shitty movies make more money and therefore get sequels ad idiotic infinitum, we need at least some rough measure of quality. There are two basic options to grading a movie’s quality: have a small number of experts individually grade the films or average out what people en masse say the grade of a film should be. The problem with the former is that film experts can be just as idiotic in their own way as the unwashed masses. Harold Ramis pointed out that when he first saw Caddyshack listed in TV Guide it only had one star, but a decade later it had two and after another decade it was up to three, aging like a fine wine. If you’d just asked people in the first place, they could have told you Caddyshack was good.

Of course the problem with just looking at what people say in general runs into the problem of just mimicking the box office returns. If most people are idiots and through the haze of their three neurons think a movie is good, then by jolly that movie is going to have a high box office take. So the least evil of the ways of grading movies would be to get a grade determined by a mass of people, but a somewhat better class of a mass. So we’re like elitist but not too elitist.

So here’s what I did. I took all the movies in Box Office Mojo’s database, and used their grading system, which runs from A to F (including pluses and minuses) like a school report card. I figure that’s a bit closer to the sort of objective grade that we want than someplace like IMDB. And by objective I mean it’s reasonably likely to be roughly agreed with by the nefarious sorts who hang out at this joint.

Then I took the domestic and foreign box office take of each movie (adjusted for inflation) and just tossed them onto the bar chart below.

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Shiny. Also, it is clear that there’s something a little more complicated going on then “idiots see bad movies so they make more money.” If Box Office Mojo’s grades are relatively accurate to our tastes, it seems that audiences are actually decently sensitive to quality. As the quality goes down, so does the average box office, with the highest expected box office being up in the B+ and A- range. Interestingly, the box office drops precipitously for the very best films that have an A grade.

It’s also interesting that while the foreign box office take mirrors the domestic one fairly closely for most grades, for A-movies that pattern is broken like a sledgehammer to a piggy bank. A-ranked films average a foreign box office five times that of the American box office. There are a couple of possible explanations. It could mean that foreign audiences are just that much better judges of taste than Americans. It could also mean that very good American movies are more likely to get shipped out overseas. Or perhaps most likely, it could just be an artifact of the grading system. Which foreign films are most likely to get an American release? Those that are both highly regarded and simultaneously managed to get a decent enough box office take abroad to bother importing at all into the crowded American market.

So if forced to draw a conclusion, it looks less like idiots driving up the box office for all the lousy movies so much as the great mass of ticket sales going to the B+ and A- films, i.e. the pretty damned good but not great.

* Note: I do not claim that these findings even remotely hold up to statistical or scientific rigor. Any attempt to hold them up to such standards will be roundly ridiculed.

Steven Lloyd Wilson is a hopeless romantic and the last scion of Norse warriors and the forbidden elder gods. His novel, ramblings, and assorted fictions coalesce at www.burningviolin.com. You can email him here.









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Comments

What a delicously wry article. Plus there was math. Well done.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at September 22, 2010 1:17 PM

The problem with this analysis is that BOM's grading system is based off of user votes. The original Transformers, for example, is a B movie, with 60.26% of people voting for it giving it an A. This is problematic, because Transformers is quite obviously crap. Grown Ups is a B- with nearly two-thirds of voters giving it a B or A, despite the fact that it is terrible and makes you want to punch Adam Sandler in the cock until he dies.

Cross-indexing box office to, say, Rotten Tomatoes' critic rankings would probably give a better reading on "how much money good movies make." RT's critic pile isn't pretentiously highbrow because it has a lot of net.critics: after all, if you restrict yourself to an 80% rating or higher, that still gives you Inception, Easy A, Despicable Me, Scott Pilgrim, and The Town, none of which were exactly arthouse fare.

Posted by: mightygodking at September 22, 2010 1:24 PM

While interesting, I do have a bone of contention to pick with the idea that the truly great movies are largely ignored by the public.

Movies are either going to be art or they're going to be entertainment. Or a blend of the two. If we accept that the purpose of art is to make a statement/move people and that the purpose of entertainment is to, well entertain, then we draw some interesting conclusions about "great" movies.

If a movie is rated as being absolutely amazing yet is so obtuse and convoluted (artsy, I guess) that it fails to connect with a broad stroke of the populace, then is it truly great? Im thinking Synecdoche, New York here.

There is a craft involved in making a message connect with the broader audience. It does actually take talent to make sure a message is accessible to the broadest number of people possible. Though of course you risk that message getting lost. Listening to people as they left Inception made this obvious.

Anyway, thats a long long conversation. What I actually wanted to point out was...

There is an inherent problem with comparing box office and quality. It assumes that the viewing public is equally exposed to and has access to every movie. Many of the A grade movies are small distribution indie flicks (Brick) that didnt exactly receive a whole lot of promotion or opening screens. If it had had the huge promotional push of Iron Man, would it have grossed as highly?

I think the distribution here is that the B+ and A- movies are the top notch big studio efforts like Inception.

Posted by: Lennon at September 22, 2010 1:25 PM

Er, I should note that if you restrict yourself to 80% or higher of movies currently playing in first-run theatres that's what you get.

Posted by: mightygodking at September 22, 2010 1:25 PM

Are US returns included in the "International" category?

Maybe the reason the international take on A movies is so much high is because the truly outstanding films get played elsewhere and THERE'S a LOT more people in the world than Americans. I mean, Domestic versus International? .3 Billion vs. 6 Billion or so.

A somewhat better way to look at it would be to change it so that it's broken down by country.

Also, I find Rotten Tomatoes a pretty fair way of assigning a rating to a movie.

Posted by: alphawhiskey at September 22, 2010 1:48 PM

I think you're comparing A to A. If a movie is more popular (meaning more money) then it will get more votes. More votes means the average score for that movie is skewed to the mean average for the voting public.

All you really have shown is that the average of this voting public tends in the B range.

As someone pointed out earlier, cross-index with Rotten Tomatoes and you'll probably get a more interesting graph.

Posted by: Neodiogenes at September 22, 2010 2:40 PM

Hypothesis: America, as a whole, will not support smaller, more polarizing films that garner surprisingly large fanbases that don't care that an aggregate like Box Office Mojo would label them mediocre in quality.

That would deal with the perception issues better than America only likes crap films.

Posted by: Robert at September 22, 2010 3:01 PM

I don't think there's any doubt that the objectively best movies are largely ignored by the masses. Look at the top ten movies from the last decade as put forth by this very site. Memento, Mulholland Dr., Eternal Sunshine, In Bruges, Royal Tenenbaums, etc. Aside from The Dark Knight and maybe Old Country I don't think any of them were huge box office successes. Maybe this is what I tell myself to maintain my elitist attitude but "regular people" don't like like "good" movies. That's just how it is. Even given Iron Man's marketing budget Brick isn't going to do shit at the box office and I fucking love that movie.

Posted by: jesuschrysler at September 23, 2010 2:03 AM

I think that Box Office with some sort of weighting for the amount the Box Office drops after the first week. Often it seems that the terrible yet massively promoted movies just don't have the legs that decent quality movies do, that's possibly another way of judging it.

Of course, Scott Pilgrim, the best movie of the last 5 years, did terribly in just about every respect so I still think people just have no taste.

Posted by: Chugga at September 23, 2010 3:23 AM

Why not just use several different rating styles and graph them all and see if there's a correlation between all of them? I think the result would be a little more accepted if no matter which way you graded quality you still got the same shaped graph.

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