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12 Movies With Disgusting Messages That We Love To Pieces, You Know, Despite Ourselves

By The Modern Womyn of Pajiba | Posted Under Seriously Random Lists | Comments (117)



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Have you ever seen Seven Brides For Seven Brothers? It’s a charming MGM musical about some hunky backwoodsmen who decide to settle down and, so, kidnap a bevy of beautiful women from a neighboring town and hold them against their will all winter. You know, like you do. Oh, did I forget to mention the toe tapping musical number about rape? (Okay, it’s really about abduction and boy howdy is it catchy!) This was my favorite film growing up. I knew every lyric, every axe-swinging dance move. It wasn’t until I got to college and showed it to some close friends that I was alerted to the fact that this is essentially a film about Stockholm Syndrome. Aw man, I’m a modern liberated woman, I’m supposed to reject this kind of stuff. Yeah, you know what? F*ck it, I still love it. Every glorious technicolor moment of it. I asked some Pajiban ladies if they had similar reactions to films. Films that carry a damaging message for womankind womynkind but have somehow still been able to capture our hearts.

Before we get to their answers, a quick word on period films. (I can hear you making that joke in your head, you adorable idiot.) Several of the picks on this list were made many moons ago and several of those films are about an even older time (e.g. Seven Brides For Seven Brothers was made in 1954 but takes place in the 1850s), so concessions can be made for “it’s just the way things were then”…I guess. But when you have a song with the lyrics “thank heaven for little girls, cause little girls get bigger every day,” well…I’ll let the ladies tell you about it. —JR

8.jpegGone With The Wind: I should hate this movie. The “heroine” is spoiled, spiteful, childish, petulant, conniving, and calculating. I should hate this movie because Scarlett only wants what she can’t have & doesn’t really seem to care how many lives she ruins because of her selfishness. And yet… I am swept away by the grandeur and old Southern manners, and dresses made of velvet curtains. I find myself, despite not wanting to, identifying with Scarlet and her desire for what she can’t have and not realizing that what she truly wants, what she NEEDS, is right in front of me her all along. Oh and the slavery part. I DO hate that part.—Lainey

047fatalattraction_468x368.jpegFatal Attraction: This movie basically says that (scarily) childless, single professional women are crazy, murderous predators out to destroy “The Family” because, well, we all just crave a man, amirite? And she’ll do *anything* to get hers; she turns clingy, then obsessive, suicidal and KILLS A BUNNY because she couldn’t get over that one (apparently sextastic) weekend. Him? The cheater? He’s the victim here. I still friggin’ love this movie because, I mean, it’s a well-made, beautifully acted, taut, smart thriller that actually took me a while to really look at as mysogynistic because I was too busy enjoying it. And Glenn Close still manages to draw you in with her utter awesomeness, so there’s that.—Katers

17132__overboard_l.jpegOverboard: Handyman with crummy home life deceives rich bitch who is suffering from amnesia likely due to traumatic brain injury into acting as his housekeeper/nanny because she owes him money. Eventually they fall in love….”Oh, let’s take the uppity woman with economic power and teach her a lesson by indenturing her into domestic servitude!” Well, if THAT’s not the dream of the patriarchy all wrapped up in a little bow, I don’t know what is. Seriously, try to imagine this with the gender roles reversed — we’d be too busy judging Goldie for being a *terrible* mom and housekeeper to have the energy to root for this budding relationship. But the whole thing floats along on Kurt’s rough-hewn appeal and Goldie’s effervescent charm. Her portrayal of the transformation from rich bitch to caring woman (through the love of a good man and the redeeming power of being a mother, natch) is nearly impossible to resist.—Seakat

3645216_std.jpegThe Little Mermaid: So, a supposedly intelligent 16 year-old abandons her loving family to marry a dude she’s never spoken to because she determined on first sight that this dude was her ‘true love’ because he looks nice in snug pants, an open blousy shirt and had a dog. Anyone in their right mind would tell you that is a terrible message to send to young women or ANY woman. Unless it comes with some catchy songs about life “Under the Sea” and being “Part of Your World” and Prince Eric absolutely is a babe and at least Ariel took some agency in her life, right? RIGHT?!? Okay, The Little Mermaid is a pretty shit when you think about it but that won’t stop me from belting “bright young women, sick of swimming, ready tooo sttaaaaaannnddd” at the slightest provocation. —Intern Rusty

Thumbnail image for How-to-Become-a-Wedding-Planner3.jpegThe Wedding Planner: It’s a terrible, awful movie. It stars J.Lo and Matthew “T-Rex Arms” McConaughey. It’s an utterly predictable piece of romcom crap. The female lead has a glamorous work life and this oh so sad home life without a man (cue pathetic scene where she eats microwave dinners alone). I should hate every damned thing about this movie. It’s 102 minutes of cliches, ridiculousness, and smug T-Rex facial expressions. Try as I might, I can’t hate this movie. J.Lo is charming and likable. I have yet to determine what exactly it is that makes The Wedding Planner work, but, somehow, it does.—Melody

bridger.jpegBridget Jones’s Diary: I shouldn’t love this movie because any film that segregates women into Singletons and Marrieds should be avoided at all costs. Further, Daniel Cleaver and Mark Darcy are clearly diametric opposites that somehow represent the same (wrong) man. However, I do like it because I can’t resist the thought of two (hot) men fighting over me. [Shirtless while “It’s Raining Men” plays! It’s a fight! A reeeal fight!—JR] And together, Hugh Grant’s floppy bangs and Colin Firth’s stammer are just the end of any resistance on my part.—Agent Bedhead

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Unfaithful: We should be offended by the way Connie (Diane Lane) is portrayed; she seems more controlled by her world (and men) than in charge of it. Though unfulfilled by marriage and motherhood, after giving in to temptation and being treated the fool by her paramour, she simply returns to her husband’s side like a dog whose master silently cleaned up her mess on the carpet. She’s resigned to her unhappy fate and the message seems to be: What the hell, I made it this long and look how much he loves me! But we love Unfaithful for the thrill of the affair, the flat out, crazy-hot sex scenes; for putting Connie into what is typically the man’s role (cheater, with serious consequences) and deftly examining the differences between men and women with Connie’s (brilliantly acted by Lane) roller coaster emotions. The leads are all gorgeous, the tension is real and even though we know that ambiguous ending is coming, we can’t help but appreciate a woman’s point of view that rings true (down to Connie buying new clothes to go see her lover—a man would never do that).—Cindy

Thumbnail image for gigi-leslie-caron.jpegGigi: If a film with a premise like Gigi’s were made in 2011, it would be darker, perhaps a little depressing, and it certainly wouldn’t be a musical. Singing and dancing in a film about a very young girl who is being raised by her grandmother and aunt in gay Paris to become a rich man’s courtesan (mistress, concubine, prostitute - take your pick)? You can bet your bedazzled ass it wouldn’t happen, not without some irony attached. But somehow, Gigi manages to be a sweet, funny and HAPPY movie. Leslie Caron absolutely glows as Gigi, and I never get tired of witnessing her transformation from awkward, goofy child to elegant lady. Yes, it’s an odd little story, but it’s so damn pretty to look at and downright entertaining that it’s one of my all-time favorites.—Kolby

natalie_wood_splendor_in_the_grass-1.jpeg Splendor In The Grass: According to Elia Kazan’s Splendor in the Grass, good girls don’t have sex. They don’t even want to have sex - and the only reason they ever would is to make babies with their husband. The clashing of this belief with Deanie’s desire to do the deed with her boyfriend Bud ultimately leads to a mental breakdown. And yet, despite this archaic admonition, Splendor in the Grass is one of my favorite movies. It captures the angst of adolescence perfectly, particularly in the scenes where Deanie and Bud argue with their parents. And Natalie Woods is amazing in her portrayal of a young woman whose is unable to reconcile the longing of her… “heart” with the voices in her head. It’s definitely worth a watch, but just remember: sex is good, when it’s with the right person at the right time. —MelBivDevoe

Twilight-34-large.jpegThe Twilight Saga: I know. I KNOW. The Twilight Saga is the scapegoat for all that is wrong with everything in the history of mankind. I get it. You all hate the Twilight. That’s fine. I hated it too. Then I was bored. Even as I watched, I knew that this movie was stupid. The longing looks, the bitey lipped stares, the HUGE age difference between Edward and Bella. The obsession that only a teenager, or the insane, can muster for someone. I get it. But I also LOVE IT. It is so goopy and perfectly adolescent and then there are fights between vampires and werewolves. VAMPIRES AND WEREWOLVES! Twilight is the epitome of cheesetastic awesome mixed with fighting and hot vampire dudes! It’s my guilty pleasure, without the guilt, as I am a MOTHERF*CKING ADULT and I do what I want. I’ll see you at the opening midnight screening of Breaking Dawn Part I. BWAHAHAHAHA!—Pinky McLadybits

audrey_hepburn_my_fair_lady.jpegMy Fair Lady: So, this nice lower-class flower girl is minding her own business when this asshole professor comes along and decides he’s gonna make her into exactly what he wants her to be, for no other reason than to stroke his own ego. After becoming an entirely different person (and being insulted and humiliated) she gives up the perfectly lovely young man who adores her for who she is and stays with the selfish professor who just…got used to her. And I still love it. The music, the clothes, the charm of Audrey Hepburn just completely win you over until you forget that you should probably hate it.—figgy

prettywoman5.jpegPretty Woman—You could try hating this movie, but it would be a big mistake…huge. Oh, sure, it’s got the “transformation is the only way forward” motif of My Fair Lady. It’s got a condescending “fairy tale” frame narrative and an OMG, LOL, they finally let her shop moment! Disgusting. It’s a film about classism and money as a most attractive quality. It treats the sex-trade with kid gloves and is responsible for foisting Julia Roberts on us for the rest of our natural days. But, yeah, I love it. Watching it is like taking a nice warm bubble bath while listening to Prince on your Walkman. Not good for you (electrocution!) but a delight for the senses.—Joanna

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Comments

LOVE The Wedding Planner. Good call!

Posted by: TWoPFan at June 23, 2011 4:07 PM

because he looks nice in snug pants, an open blousy shirt and had a dog.

HA!

Posted by: Julie at June 23, 2011 4:13 PM

Seven Brides For Seven Brothers has some very impressive choreography.

Scarlett O'Hara is one of the greatest villains in film history.

Don't hurt bunnies.

I've never seen Overboard.

Prince Eric totally should have become a merman for Ariel. Much better ending.

I'm not going to be able to come up with pithy responses for the rest of these. I enjoyed reading them all, though, ladies.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at June 23, 2011 4:13 PM

Moar science plz!

Posted by: the_wakeful at June 23, 2011 4:13 PM

High schools do the stage version of Gigi all the time. I don't see the issues with it. It's a period piece set at the turn of the 20th Century. A modern adaptation would be problematic because societal standards have shifted. In context, it's just a fun film.

Posted by: Robert at June 23, 2011 4:15 PM

I rationalize my love of Gigi and My Fair Lady by telling myself it's all about the production design and singing.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 23, 2011 4:16 PM

I have had so many "Are we really fighting about this?!" fights over Gone With The Wind and Pretty Woman, it's crazy. They make my anti-classist, anti-racist, feminazi brain asplode. And yet I quote them both compulsively. I need help.

Posted by: Angeleno Ewok at June 23, 2011 4:16 PM

Robert.

THANK HEAVEN FOR LITTLE GIRLS??!?!? Only Maurice Chevalier can pull that sh*t off.

Posted by: coveredinbees at June 23, 2011 4:16 PM

My memory insists that Pretty Woman ends this way--she doesn't want to be kept, she wants the fairy tale, she's going to "make something" of herself, and then doesn't have to because he rescues her so she can shop. That's what I got out of it a long time ago and that's why I didn't revisit.

Posted by: DenG at June 23, 2011 4:17 PM

Maybe my memory for the movies is bad but I remember the book better in both of these cases -

I thought Bridget Jones' Diary was railing against the need to classify women into Singletons and Smug Marrieds and judge them thereupon? I thought that was one of the big points they had (even though they still wanted their happy endings, of course).

And My Fair Lady-wise, in the GBShaw book of course she ends up with Freddy because she could never really live with Higgins. Did they straight up change this? Clearly I have some Netflixin' to do.

And Gigi is one of the most visually pleasing movies I have ever seen, I swear. Also, we get Eva Gabor failing to commit suicide, and Hermione Gingold just being her bad self. The plot is very much a product of its time and is much less creepy if you think of it that way. Or so I keep telling myself.

Posted by: Anne At Large at June 23, 2011 4:18 PM

I have never been able to get through more then an hour (any hour, since I have walked in mid-movie) of Pretty Woman without falling asleep. So dull. So little chemistry. So banal. So much horror of Julia Roberts. Gah!

Posted by: sammy at June 23, 2011 4:19 PM

"Captain I'm reading extremely high Estrogen levels in this area"

"Get us out of here Mr Sulu! Warp Factor 5!"

Posted by: logan at June 23, 2011 4:20 PM

Glenn Close is a very handsome woman. Very handsome. Barf.

"...down to Connie buying new clothes to go see her lover—a man would never do that."

I KNOW, right? Men are such predictable dickheads. LET'S EAT ICE CREAM!

Posted by: Skitz at June 23, 2011 4:20 PM

Nothing makes me happier, by the way, than the bar raising dance sequence in Seven Brides. Michael Kidd was the shit. Stomp you bitches, STOMP!

Posted by: Julie at June 23, 2011 4:20 PM

I gotta say, if DarthCorleone would promise to wear open blousy shirts all the time, and if we could get a fluffy dog, I'd switch species if need be.

Posted by: Angeleno Ewok at June 23, 2011 4:21 PM

Grease: The only way to get a boy (who, by the way, is not really worth it, if he is embarrassed merely to be seen with you after trying to get in your pants for three months) is to stop being yourself, dress up like a sex-crazed biker chick, and take up smoking.

Also, girls who have sex are clearly sluts, but luckily maybe some greaseball will come along and love them. (Actually, I kind of adore the Rizzo/Kenickie relationship, as at least they accept one another for who they are.)

Posted by: Siege at June 23, 2011 4:21 PM

Also, Seven Brides for Seven Brothers has amazing choreography. You don't watch MGM musicals for the plot when you can watch them for Howard Keel and that kind of choreography (sigh).

Posted by: Anne At Large at June 23, 2011 4:23 PM

Tommy Rall makes everything about 7 Brides acceptable. EVERYTHING.

Also, Gigi is one of my favorite movies, ever.

Posted by: Samantha at June 23, 2011 4:23 PM

I don't actually love any of these movies. So...I've got nothing to add here. I'll show myself out. I do like Pygmalion though. Never seen MFL. Yeah, I see the door.

Posted by: Joker at June 23, 2011 4:24 PM

Overboard is the one movie I've been trying to forget for years. And no, I don't love it to pieces in secret. It is simply awful and neither actors can save it. The only one I like on here is Bridget Jones' Diary because it has made me feel better when I've felt lousy. Everything else, I want my hour to two hours of my life back (fortunately I think most of these movies are under two hours except for Gone With the Wind).

Posted by: Gigi at June 23, 2011 4:27 PM

Wow.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at June 23, 2011 4:30 PM

Anne-at-large: In Pygmalion, she ends up with Freddy, but in In Fair Lady she ends up with Higgins. Somehow this was supposed to be a more satisfying ending, but I think it sucked.

I'm also a fan of The Taming of the Shrew. Every bit of my feminist body tells me I should hate that play, but I love it to death.

Posted by: BWeaves at June 23, 2011 4:33 PM

Overboard is my all-time favorite hangover movie...

and Twilight is my favorite to have on in the background while folding clothes and dusting. Sheer ridiculousness. Of course I know better...I am a freakin' adult. But I LOVES it! Hell, my husband was home with a migraine the other day. I got off work and found him lying on the couch watching Eclipse. He claims it was just mindless drivel to put his eyeballs on.

He, too, has the hate-it-but-LOVE-it bug.

Nine Months should be on this list as well.

Posted by: latvianluck at June 23, 2011 4:33 PM

That Overboard description is perfect, Seakat. I loved the movie when I was a kid (Kurt Russell, duh), but when I watched it a few years ago, the horrible reality of it dawned on me. Still, Goldie was such a terrible, awful, cruel person as a rich bitch, that it still feels like a victory when she chooses to be a decent person at the end. Her journey there, and where the decision leads her to conform to the standard matriarch role, definitely has its problems. But she chooses the harder life. She's like Professor Xavier/MacAvoy in that regard.

Which makes Edward Herrmann the Magneto/Fassbender, I guess?

(Don't hurt me, JoRo...)

Posted by: RobP at June 23, 2011 4:36 PM

This is brilliance, top to bottom. Even Twilight, but especially The Little Mermaid and Pretty Woman and Bridget Jones, each of which I can quote from fluently (or sing from with the slightest provocation, such as having a Disney CD in the car)

What?

Posted by: Yossarian at June 23, 2011 4:38 PM

Well, I was hoping for "An Education" or "The Philadelphia Story" (wife beating is a sign of love!) but I'll take "Gone With the Wind."

Although, isn't the worst part of "GWTW" that she's obsessed with getting Rhett back? Yeah, she's "spoiled, spiteful..." but she's also dependent on a man. The bottom completely drops out and she thinks she really has a chance at getting him back. That movie has a huge rift in tone that I never understood.

Posted by: Drew Morton at June 23, 2011 4:43 PM

I too love Gigi and My Fair Lady, but I always rationalized my love by saying "it's the costumes".
There just no scene in any movie that I love more then Ascot in MFL or when she first appears at the top of the stairs in the wonderful ball gown.

Posted by: Jules at June 23, 2011 4:44 PM

Gigi - Overboard is a national treasure, and I won't have you say any differently!!! Okay, yes, the plot is terribly contrived, and the entire premise is incredibly sexist, but, but, it's so...cute! He gets his friend to pull strings with the Coast Guard and rescues her! See? Cute!

Lalalalala - I can't hear you!

Posted by: noodlestein at June 23, 2011 4:49 PM

That's so funny, I was just explaining the plot of My Fair Lady to my husband last night. He responded with "Sounds like Trading Places."

Wait, what?

Posted by: Lemon Poundcake at June 23, 2011 4:53 PM

I would really like to see the boys do a list such as this.

Posted by: Cindy at June 23, 2011 4:57 PM

Oh The Philadelphia Story is such a quagmire. On top of the whole, "don't say sock, dear, strike is quite an ugly enough word" there is also:

It's your fault that your father cheats. If you were a supportive daughter, he wouldn't look outside the family.

It's at the very least partially your fault that your partner drinks or couldn't stop drinking. You are intolerant of his feelings, of his very humanity, if you don't put up with it.

Uncle Willie is a pincher.

Women should be tolerant of the moral failings of the men in their lives, even at the expense of their own self respect. (You wouldn't want to have self respect but have no husband, now would you?)

You should put up with your partner's infidelity, if you really love him. Besides, it's his house too.

Women don't want to be worshipped, they want to be loved! But we understand that being the kind of virago that judges her father for promiscuity and her husband for alcoholism prevents it. No wonder he socked us!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 23, 2011 5:00 PM

I know, Cindy. I hope they do.

Posted by: coveredinbees at June 23, 2011 5:04 PM

Oh Dex, I'll be yar this time! I promise I'll be yar!

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 23, 2011 5:04 PM

Like Anne-at-large, I'm a bit confused by some of this. In particular, I never thought that Splendor in the Grass was advocating that girls should only have sex when married. I thought the message was requiring people to adhere to a strict code of conduct (whether it be repressing their sexuality in the Natalie Wood character or acting exactly as their father directs in the Warren Beatty character) leads to bad outcomes. I don't see how the movie at all has a premarital sex bad message.

Posted by: maceo at June 23, 2011 5:04 PM

In the opera category: Turandot!

Some of the greatest music ever written, and yet we are presented with these female leads:

Princess Turandot, who has such a jaded and cynical view of love that she devises three tests that her suitors must pass, or she beheads them and puts the heads on pikes.

Liu- a slave girl belonging to the unknown prince, who so loves her master that she would willingly die for him. He doesn't give a rat's ass.

All this happens right after Nessun dorma. Ye gods.

Posted by: StoatCat at June 23, 2011 5:07 PM

I had have a VHS of The Wedding Planner that is absolutely worn out from watching it a bajillion times in college.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at June 23, 2011 5:27 PM

Much as I love the songs in My Fair Lady, it's hard to just sit and watch Rex Harrison be such an asshole so that she can eventually open a flower shop, after she wins his bet for him. So smug at the end, too. I turn it off after "I've Grown Accustomed To Her Face" and pretend he really does love her and forget everything else.

Gone With The Wind, tho...I like that Scarlett goes from princess to ass-kicking, soldier-shooting, business-owning honeybadger who does not give a fuck. Except for that worthless Ashley. But then she realizes it and Rhett turns her down anyway, but instead of giving up, she looks to tomorrow. Yeah, she thinks she needs him but she knows she doesn't. She's got Tara, so that sanctimonious jerkoff can kiss her bustle. And with that in mind, I can still enjoy it.

Posted by: ChickaBoom! at June 23, 2011 5:34 PM

I wholly disagree with your assessment of Ariel. I always thought of The Little Mermaid as one of the more empowering females of Disney. You saw her as going off to throw her voice and sea-life away just because it was love at first sight; I see it as her choosing to take something into her hands and taking control of her life. She saw a man, she fell in love with him at first sight, and then she went forth to try and make him hers. And she did it in a way that defied her father's expectations of her (not staying chained in the ocean to her princess-y singing duties.) You saw it as her giving up her self for a man, but I saw it as her making a choice for herself because Eric was someone she wanted to be with. I feel like those two can sometimes be confused with each other. The other part of it is that Ariel was self-assured enough in herself and her awesomeness that she believed that even without her voice (which, remember, defined her when she lived in the ocean) she would still be able to win Eric's heart.

Also, everyone seems to forget this, but Ariel wanted to get out of the ocean even before she met Eric. "Part of that World" was sang before she saw Eric for the first time, so Eric was actually the catalyst for something that she had been wanting to do for a long time.

Posted by: denesteak at June 23, 2011 5:36 PM

Jules - did you hear about the auction of Debbie Reynolds' costume collection? Among other amazing items, the Ascot dress got auctioned off and they had some close-up photos... that was an amazing piece of seamstressin'.

Posted by: Anne At Large at June 23, 2011 5:36 PM

I love the movie, "The Wedding Planner."

Like a year after that movie was released I actually got a job as an event planner. I worked in a big banquet hall called The Tangier (it's in Akron -- good times) and a huge part of my job was to help brides plan their big day. I helped them find florists, plan menus, call DJs (usually people we had pre-existing deals with in an effort to share potential customers). I decorated the room for them and got to help celebrate.

And that movie. Man, that movie is nothing like what wedding planning is really like. That movie is to actual wedding planning what the West Wing is to actual government. What Dr. House is to actual medicine. The movie should have been called, "Ridiculously Wealthy Bride Surrogate Robot," for all it's acuracy. Which is now coincidentally my favorite new band name.

Anyway, my ass isn't nearly as big as J-Lo's ass, and I left the restaurant after it wore me down, but that movie still holds a special place in my heart. So I'm with you. Today, I'm with you.

Posted by: superasente at June 23, 2011 5:45 PM

For me it's Bell, Book, and Candle. I love the movie, but I HATE the lesson at the end - that she's just going to give up her glamorous life of guilt-free witchery and support of the arts to wear pastels, sell cutesy knickknacks, and not have her beloved cat/familiar anymore, but hey, that's okay, because maybe finally the guy she'd witchcrafted into loving her will REALLY love her! She'll just hang out and look wistfully at him like a sad puppy through her new pastel curtains in the hopes that he'll come back! Because your career and personal interests and taste don't matter if your guy disapproves of them!

Ugh. Ugh ugh ugh. It's like the moral lesson of Bewitched taken to even more offensive extremes. And yet, up until that end bit, I LOVE THAT MOVIE. I can't help myself. (Plus I guess it's a step up from the older witch romcom movie with Veronica Lake, even though I love Veronica Lake.)

Posted by: Nat Kittyface at June 23, 2011 5:46 PM

The Quiet Man. It's my granfather's favorite movie, and I love it to death. With lines like 'here's a stick to beat the lovely lady', I should be offended. I just can't though. I write it off to a different era, and continue to love it.

Posted by: Jeni at June 23, 2011 5:46 PM

I see Fatal Attraction as my favorite documentary on male/female interpersonal dynamics in the modern era.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at June 23, 2011 6:00 PM

Eliza- fetch me my slippers!

Posted by: Marty at June 23, 2011 6:02 PM

Love GWTW: Scarlett is a badass. When everything is going to hell she gets shit done: birthing the baby, picking cotton, making sure that they kept the plantation, killing the rapey guy, etc. Yes, she is an awful, selfish person, but she kept food on the table and a roof over everyones' heads, so she deserves some credit.

Love Bridget Jones, love Overboard, love the Little Mermaid (best music in a Disney movie ever, I can sing every word to every song with pride), love Pretty Woman and I love Fatal Attraction; they are all so watchable. The acting and the chemistry elevate the material in all of these. I haven't seen the others but I have seen the Wedding Planner and I HATE IT.

I do find it wildly amusing that the only other Melody at this site wrote the blurb for it, different strokes man. :)

Posted by: Melody Be at June 23, 2011 6:04 PM

BWeaves!

I LOVE The Taming of the Shrew. So much chemistry.

Posted by: Kolby at June 23, 2011 6:06 PM

OH MY WORD.

GREASE!

How did I forget about GREASE!?!?

::smacks self in forehead, V-8 style::

Posted by: SeaKAt at June 23, 2011 6:07 PM

And as for Twilight, I take comfort in that many of its fans will go through something I call the "What Was I Thinking Syndrome" where after a few passing years of retrospect they begin to realize that whatever they were drooling over really was shite (or at the very least over-hyped). The same seems to hold true for Titanic, boy bands, rom-coms, reality shows and most other annoying fads. Twilight gets the extra boost from a slightly older section of their fandom simply living like their younger counterparts. The results will still probably be the same.

That's the funny thing about nostalgia; you either look back at with fuzzy, rose-colored lenses, or you end up seeing it with a spotlight and perfect clarity that reveals all sorts of blemishes you missed before. I have a feeling that the majority will one day look back on this and think about how silly it all was. And then again you'll still have a few hardcores who will be begging for table scraps years for now much like the spooky New Kids On The Block/ Backstreet Boys reunion tour. The again though, if Trekkies can still go bananas for actors in their 70's and 80's, I'm sure there will be sparkle-covered dorks decades from now still getting hot over a balding and potbellied Robert Pattinson. It's only fair.

Posted by: bleujayone at June 23, 2011 6:08 PM

Oooh,ChickaBoom, Scarlett is totally honeybadger! Honeybadger don't give A FUCK and gets what it wants. Yes!

Posted by: Lainey at June 23, 2011 6:20 PM

I don't LOVE any of these movies (the ones I've seen). "My Fair Lady" is beautiful-looking and the music is awesome, but it's not my fave of all time. The rest? Meh. "Overboard" is funny in places. So is "Pretty Woman," but not for the same reasons. And probably not intentionally.

Posted by: Slash at June 23, 2011 6:22 PM

I love The Wedding Planner and Pretty Woman (and I'm not ashamed!), but I think I have to call shenanigans about Bridget Jones being on this list.

I don't think it divides the movie into singletons vs. marrieds at all, although it does highlight how she's constantly questioned about her singlehood (as a 28 year old single woman I can attest to the fact that this really truly happens. A lot. The other day one of my guy friends told me I was "doing it wrong" re:dating). She falls in with an asshole, but eventually kicks him to the curb. She doesn't change who she is to be with anyone and she pursues the things she wants. Maybe I'm just over-identifying, but it's still easily one of my top ten favorite movies. I love Bridget, just as she is.

Posted by: Even Stevens at June 23, 2011 6:27 PM

Oh, and I think as a kid I watched The Little Mermaids at least 100 times. I can still recite that movie practically line for line. And anyone who doesn't love those songs has no soul. No soul I say!

Posted by: Even Stevens at June 23, 2011 6:30 PM

oops, I meant The Little Mermaid. Just one.

Posted by: Even Stevens at June 23, 2011 6:32 PM

Would you say they're like a poor unfortunate soul? NO IT'S COOL I ALREADY KNOW THE WAY OUT NO NEED TO SHOW ME.

Posted by: coveredinbees at June 23, 2011 6:32 PM

Here's what I'll say about Bridget. . .who I love. . .just as she is. I REALLY WISH THERE HADN'T BEEN A SEQUEL. The second book was bad enough. . .still funny. . .but oh, Bridg, have we learned nothing? The movie sequel, on the other hand? That was an abomination. Are you REALLY still falling for Daniel Cleaver's sh*t, Bridget? Did they really need to turn her from somewhat hapless into totally mentally deficient?

Some of the redeeming qualities of the book involve Bridget being a tremendously great friend and loving daughter. These themes are touched upon in the first film and pretty well discarded by the second. Instead we get Bridget Jones the utter buffoon. Oh and the soundtrack was shite. In other words. HAAAAAATE.

Posted by: coveredinbees at June 23, 2011 6:36 PM

Oh man I can't believe I missed the Poor Unfortunate Soul opportunity. I am truly ashamed of myself.

And what's this sequel you speak of? There's only one Bridget Jones book/movie that I know of. Seriously, though, you're right on that, Edge of Reason is just awful but my love of the first one will never die.

Posted by: Even Stevens at June 23, 2011 6:45 PM

I still love Gigi because I saw it as a child and had no idea what it was about until it was too late not to love it and now I can't turn back.

Bridget Jones Diary is the reason I forgive Renee Zellwegger for everything. I read the books so I feel a certain amount of affection for the movies.

Glenn Close elevates everything she is in so Fatal Attraction is a no brainer. She is NOT going to be IGNORED!

Everthing else on this list is pure unadulterated shite.

Posted by: greer at June 23, 2011 7:06 PM

I have the soundtrack to Seven Brides for Seven Brothers on my iPod! Ha! Beat that!


Just kidding.


But, no, seriously. I do.

Posted by: Candee at June 23, 2011 7:36 PM

Really? Not all fictional characters are admirable? Is this a new thought for you? When did you start believing that only admirable deeds were worth depicting in fiction? When reading, say, OEDIPUS?!

Posted by: Edward O'Neill at June 23, 2011 7:41 PM

THERE IS ONLY ONE BRIDGET JONES' BOOK/MOVIE. ONE.

Posted by: Melody at June 23, 2011 7:43 PM

You know, Edward O'Neill, despite your derisive tone, you make an interesting point. Anti-heroes have always been interesting to read/watch. I think the problem with a lot of these films is the message appears to be, "Do this and it will work out hunky dory for you. Subjugate and change yourself. No, seriously, Stockholm Syndrome is kind of groovy." A lot of these characters who behave in a dubious manner get the happy ending. Not so in "Oedipus," eh?

Posted by: coveredinbees at June 23, 2011 7:46 PM

so, Lainey, your guilt over liking Gone With The Wind - the movie glorifying the South and where the slaveholders are the protagonists - is that the female lead is childish and petulant??

um, WTF?! that's akin to criticizing I Spit On Your Grave because it doesn't take a strong stance against expectoration.

Posted by: Mike at June 23, 2011 7:53 PM

Nat Kittyface, I own Bell, Book, and Candle on VHS, and someday hope to have a cat who needs the name Pyewacket. I'm also sort of madly in love with Jack Lemmon in that movie. And Gillian's wardrobe (pre-falling-in-love).

Posted by: Samantha at June 23, 2011 7:55 PM

Apparently I really need to rewatch The Philadelphia Story. Does High Society have the same problems?

Posted by: Three-nineteen at June 23, 2011 8:11 PM

how do women like My Best Friends Wedding? Julia Roberts plays an insufferable c%^& (typecasting I know) who strings along a guy until he finds someone hotter, younger and richer and THEN she has an interest and tries to ruin her so called best friends future . If I had a female friend like that, I'd kick her in the cooch.

Posted by: Rubble44 at June 23, 2011 8:24 PM

I wonder if anyone has read Backlash by Susan Faludi? It's essentially a book about the backlash against 1970s feminism, and both Fatal Attraction and Overboard get mentioned there as parts of a trend in which, quite literally, the Woman gets put into her place. It's a pretty interesting book, I think.

Posted by: The Wandering Parakeet at June 23, 2011 8:30 PM

@Mike-that's because Lainey is a HUGE fan of slavery and oppression, didn't you know? OR she was focusing her small blurb for a fun little list on the main character's emotional shortcomings. If you want a fucking dissertation on Gone With the Wind's portrayal of the South and salvery, write it yourself.

Posted by: Julie at June 23, 2011 8:40 PM

*slavery. Though I'm sure they did drool.

Posted by: Julie at June 23, 2011 8:41 PM

Oh, Edward O'Neill: Thanks for proving that "humorless" is not a term reserved just for feminists.

Posted by: SeaKat at June 23, 2011 8:50 PM

The Philadelphia Story is problematical for me. So many great lines, Kate is so beautiful...but it's awful to her character and women in general.

I love it and I hate it.


Posted by: ChickaBoom! at June 23, 2011 8:54 PM

Also, is anyone else enjoying the delicious, delicious irony of Mike complaining that this post doesn't state the obvious ("slavery is bad") while Edward O'Neill is busy carping that we DO state the obvious ("non-admirable people are sometimes interesting")?

Oh, if only I had a man here to tell me what to do. (Insert image of Roy Lichtenstein 'crying cartoon woman' here)

Posted by: SeaKat at June 23, 2011 9:09 PM

In "Gone With The Wind," I think we identify with Scarlet being put in impossible circumstances and her iron will forces her to overcome them. In a world gone made, she won't sit idly by like women in the past.

My novel, "Don Carina" owes much to Scarlet. It to is about a woman thrown into war and the men can't protect her so she takes matters into her own hands.

Ron Russell
Author of "Don Carina"

http://www.DonCarina.com

Posted by: Gone With the Wind meets The Godfather at June 23, 2011 9:17 PM

So, what, it's up to ME to be the one to correct Pinky McLadybits and in doing so give away that I know for a certain fact that THERE IS NO GODDAMNED WEREWOLF/VAMPIRE FIGHTING IN TWILIGHT???

Oops. Accidental caps lock. And I'm way too lazy to go back and re-do all that typing.

Anyway, there's that. The werewolf shit doesn't happen till the next movie. And I know this how? Because I've seen them all, I've read all the books, I happen to know all this crap backwards and forwards. Don't ask me why. I know it's fucking garbage. I can't explain it, it has a bizarre hold on me. Maybe it's because I'm about to start teaching high schoolers and feel the need to get into their heads. I've been reading "young adult" fiction for the past couple of years now -- everything I can get my hands on, in fact. Some of it is, actually, very fucking good. (The Hunger Games trilogy, for example. The Gone series. The Obernewtyn series. To name a few.) Some of it fucking sucks. The Twilight books fall into the latter category -- but they ARE hypnotic, there is no denying that. Well -- many, many people CAN deny it and do -- but a massive faction of the public have been hypnotised and that is a fact. I am among that faction. I am writing a treatise on it. Maybe I'll share someday.

Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at June 23, 2011 9:42 PM

Maryscott, which Gone series? Amazon tells me there are approximately 8,537* books named Gone. I always like finding good YA fiction.


*totally fabricated

Posted by: Even Stevens at June 23, 2011 9:49 PM

So, I'm a big ol' feminist, but I totally agree--we all have our guilty pleasures, and Seven Brides for Seven Brothers is at the top of my list. I even got married in June! Awesome post from you ladies (ladys?).

Posted by: HB at June 23, 2011 9:50 PM

@Julie

I don't know exactly how Mike feels, but a LOT of people (including me) have a big problem with GWTW because of its, how shall I say it, 'charitable' depiction of slavery and racism, to the point where the movie is simply irredeemable, regardless of how much one likes Scarlet O'Hara.

I'm not saying you can't like the movie, or you're a bad person for liking it. Hell, I don't know you at all. But there are many, many people (many, many of them black people, understandably) who despise GWTW because of its rosy depiction of a society in which human lives are routinely bought and sold just like cattle. I can't get into any of the characters, or the plot, or the costumes, or the acting, or what have you, because of this. IMO, that's not an unreasonable response at all.

Posted by: G Reventlov at June 23, 2011 9:54 PM

Samantha My brother-in-law's ex has three siamese, one called Pyewacket.
He's missing a couple of key neurons. He likes to be dragged across the floor by his tail (and he'll stick said tail in your face when you stop). He compulsively licks his front paw when you scratch his back. He never figured out that the hallway eventually ended in a wall, and cats don't brake well on floorboards.
I think he's the only one my brother-in-law misses from that relationship.

Posted by: ScienceGeek at June 23, 2011 10:06 PM

@ Julie - i didn't think (or claim) Lainey was a closet racist - just horrible at identifying the problematic messages of GWTW. i don't need to write the dissertation, since i'm not the one citing GWTW as a guilty pleasure. i'm just the one pointing out the absurdly myopic view that Scarlett being self-centered is the reason one would feel bad enjoying the movie, while ignoring all the much worse messages GWTW expresses.
and you are the one trying to defend that stupidity. you even managed to use a sexually aggressive vulgarity to punctuate your response. awww, how cute!

@ Seakat - you forgot about the "delicious, delicious irony" of someone using the name "Seakat" on an anonymous messageboard yet assuming that people's chosen handles reveal their gender.

as others accurately note, Scarlett O'Hara can rather easily be defended as a strong female character given the historical context. there are a lot of reasons to be squeamish about loving GWTW - Scarlett's prissiness doesn't make the list. sorry.

Posted by: Mike at June 23, 2011 10:07 PM

Eh, I was referring to the ENTIRE Twilight series. Saga, if you will. I was almost positive that I had typed Twilight Saga...Ah, well. But, I meant the Twilight series as a whole, as I own them all so far. ONE OF US! ONE OF US!

[She's right. My bad!--JR]

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at June 23, 2011 10:13 PM

Mike, I'm worried that you missed the point of this piece which is not "we shouldn't like these movies for a variety of reasons!" It's "we as women shouldn't like these movies because of their depictions of women and gender roles as a whole." Everyone knows the depiction of slavery in GWTW is its most glaring error, but that wasn't the focus of this article. This article is about the depiction of women, which is ALSO worth notice in ADDITION to the slavery issue. No?

Posted by: I Need More Allowance at June 23, 2011 10:17 PM

This is not the first time I read that comment about GREASE, and I still disagree. Saying Sandy changes to get the boy is taking only half of the movie and twist it, cause you're forgetting Danny's journey.

Once Danny stops caring about his friends' opinion (typical teen situation), he decides to do school activities and conform to a more serious image. They both make a step towards the other : he tries to be the perfect boyfriend, she stops being sexually repressed (50s style). They put themselves in the other's shoes, really. If you see a bad message for girls, then I guess it's also a bad message for guys.

Posted by: Blackie at June 23, 2011 10:54 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that LOVED the wedding planner. J Lo was just so likeable in it and I loved her hair.

Posted by: Other Julie at June 23, 2011 11:16 PM

oh i'm so glad i'm not the only one who wanted to add 'grease' to this list. love the songs, it's catchy as hell, yay happy fluffy colors and dancing and yippy skippy OH MY LORD SANDY YOU GO HOME AND CHANGE RIGHT NOW AND PUT THAT CIGARETTE OUT, john motherfuck travolta is NOT WORTH LUNG CANCER.

Posted by: betsy at June 23, 2011 11:31 PM

@ I Need More Allowance

I guess I see it like this: Scarlet O'Hara may not be a feminist icon, but that's a relatively minor problem when compared to the glorification of Civil War era Dixieland. It's like complaining about the lightning when you're standing in flood waters. I can't even discuss anything else about the film when it so overtly romanticizes slavery.

Or think of it like this: Is a Britney Spears concert bad because of one absurd lap dance segment, or because you're force fed one steaming turd of a song after another, along with non-stop ridiculous choreography? (Maybe I've gone too far. Should I have made a comparison to the Nazis instead? Britney is the new Godwin's Law. Or maybe Snookie?)

Posted by: G Reventlov at June 23, 2011 11:35 PM

The key to liking The Philadelphia Story, for me, is that Hepburn and Stewart are playing, essentially, the same character, as are Grant and Hussey (Liz). And Hepburn/Stewart are now both at the point Grant was at the opening of the movie and Hussey was whenever she married Joe Smith, hardware. It's a movie about how everyone is flawed, but those flaws can be addressed, and one can change for the better. Hepburn's intolerance is torn down because she is the central character--no one really knows Stewart, except Hussey, who does dig at him a bit about his shortcomings, but since they don't have the heated back story Grant/Hepburn do, their conversations never turn into the sort of argument Grant/Hepburn have.

The gender issues in the film are undeniable--her father's speech is just dreadful, and it's never shot down. But I like to think that the father is never presented as likable, he has a second daughter his little theory fails to account for, and (though I can't say the film provides evidence for this) that her father, and to an extent her mother, are there to provide an example of how people can turn out if they don't acknowledge their bad choices and work to do better in the future.

What makes the romance work for me in the end is that 1)Hepburn is looking for someone who will believe better of her than she believes of herself and 2)Grant doesn't want her to be yar, just his redhead. I think they can work it out from there.

Posted by: brtrisk at June 23, 2011 11:44 PM

Actually, Mike , I did consider that you might be female. My best friend's mom is named “Mike”. (Well Mary Michael, but she goes by Mike. And I digress.)

My joke about wishing that there were a man to tell me what to do was intended to be a tongue-in-cheek nod to the sexist sensibilities we were talking about in the post, not a comment about you and Ed, specifically. That said, I can see where the juxtaposition of the joke after my comment about the irony of you and Ed complaining about the exact opposite problem (too obvious/ not obvious enough!) made it sound like it was a comment on your gender. I’ll apologize for the lack of clarity, there.

That said, I am a little upset with you, Mike. You ignore the point that the theme of the post was specifically about the depiction of women. And you complain about the fact that Lainey doesn't focus on slavery in GWTW. (She does mention that she hates it, to be fair.)

But let's have a little consistency here. If we ARE ignoring the theme of the post, why aren't you upset about Overboard? I wrote about the patriarchy and totally glossed over the part where a man takes systematic advantage of a person with brain trauma, all for his own financial gain. And yet that doesn't even ping on your radar.

My God, Mike. It's like I don't even KNOW who you ARE anymore.

Posted by: SeaKat at June 24, 2011 12:24 AM

The Wedding Planner was the first movie I ever walked out on. What a tuuuurd.

Posted by: Figgy at June 24, 2011 12:40 AM

Oh, hell yeah about Grease! That was the first movie to spring to mind when I read the intro to this list. I loved it as a kid and still don't mind watching it as an adult... but all those negative messages... woah!!

Posted by: Lulu at June 24, 2011 2:28 AM

Word, Samantha. I'm certain 7 Brides is responsible for my lifelong attraction to redheaded men.

PSA: For the love of God, separate your musical soundtracks from your regular-people music when hosting a party. If you don't, the shuffle function WILL screw you over, "Goin' Courtin'" will blast from the speakers, the party will grind to a slow halt, hipster children will judge you, and you will cry and cry and cry.

Or so I've heard.

Posted by: Lentil at June 24, 2011 2:45 AM

And Blackie , the fault in your argument is that Sandy is the one who changes everything in the end to get her fella. While everyone (in the movie) finds it quite amusing and ridiculous when Danny is trying to be a jock when he is so obviously a greaser (and it doesn't last), when Sandy loses the wholesome girl-next-door image and goes for the smoking, sex-kitten look it is seen as "WOW! She has finally worked out how to get the guy!" and they all live happily ever after!

Posted by: Lulu at June 24, 2011 3:31 AM

Saw My fair lady when I was a pre teen, and whenever I remembered it it was all "Disneyfied" with flowers and dancing and tieras. Then at 33 I thought I could recapture the magic of being a little girl... Uhm no... Rewatching it raped my childhood, damn it, I'm still traumatised, throughout the whole movie I wanted to stab something. When the asshole proffesor was singing about having gotten used to her face, I litterally screamed, NO, MOTHERFUCKER, FUCKING NO!

Posted by: avalanche at June 24, 2011 4:37 AM

Please, please, please never use the spelling "Womyn" again. Isn't that a stupid, feminist bullshit spelling from the 1970's?

I haven't seen a Twilight Movie; too old I guess. I have always found Gigi delightful(another time, another set of morals), Overboard hilarious, Bridget Jones cut a little too close to the bone at the time but very funny and Gone with the Wind a classic.

Life is/was not always as we individually know it today. And movies are just the imaginations of many people produced directed, written, acted, edited etc. Mostly few end up being anything like the conceived idea.

If JLO or Julia Roberts never make another movie, I will die a happy woman. Neither could act their way out of a box!

Posted by: Jennmcn at June 24, 2011 5:35 AM

Julia Roberts is a movie star, not an actress. Movie stars don't have to act.

All of these movies have women in the lead role, good or bad. What offends me more in movies is the wife, girlfriend, partner as dull and boobed.

Women's Liberation is supposed to be about having choices. If Annie chooses Dean and four crazy kids over a pompous husband and the life of the idle rich, than that's still a choice. She chose love over money. Good guy changes shrill bitch into warm wife and mom, that's a win/win and I'm sure there are movies with the roles reversed, just can't think of them at the moment.

Posted by: kirbyjay at June 24, 2011 6:06 AM

is it wrong that thing I like the most about Overboard (that I remember the most) is the fancy shoe closet? I think that is what makes me a little sheepish about my affection for it.
A terrible lesson is overcome by charm and an elaborate shoe closet, I guess.

As for 7 Wives 4 7 Brothers... we listened to this as kids and I remember revisiting it in high school and singing along "..that's what Plutarch says... Them women were sobbin', sobbin', sobbin. Fit to be tied-[Oh Shit, Seriously? That is what this song is about?]" Mine was a look of true befuddlement and sadness. Most any musical is going to glorify some love and marrying, etc. But connecting it to the Rape of Sabine women?? That is not ideal source material, even for the time.

Posted by: hattie at June 24, 2011 7:30 AM

Ehhhhh, Jennmcn, reading BEFORE you react can be fun too sometimes. She wrote:

Joanna Robinson will slap both creatures great and small who use “womyn” unironically.

Posted by: Forever Jung at June 24, 2011 9:14 AM

"My Fair Lady" is one of my mom's favorite movies. I still find myself, usually when frustrated and wishing I was elsewhere, start singing:
All I want is a room somewhere/far away from the cold night air/with one enormous chair ohhhh wouldn't it be lovely
all in full Cockney street urchin accent. So I do love the movie.

But I remember I was about 8 and when Eliza rejects Freddie and returns to Professor Higgins I asked my mom, "Freddie loves her. Why would she go back to the guy who was mean to her?" and my mom said "Sometimes, that's just how women are." I don't think anyone in the history of my life has ever told me a greater truth than that and it's taken years of hard lessons until I finally learned it.

I never will understand it though and I've always hated the ending to that movie. Audrey is at the top of my list of Top 5 Past Stars though.

Posted by: TylerDFC at June 24, 2011 9:38 AM

brtrisk at June 23, 2011

What a wonderful defense of The Philadelphia Story! I mean that in neither a scathing nor a bitchy manner. I don't necessarily agree with you, but it does offer wonderful opportunities for the writers can overlook should they ever decide to indulge in the abomination of a remake. I wonder who Katharine Hepburn left the rights to.

Posted by: Mrs. Julien at June 24, 2011 10:28 AM

I agree with you Rubble 44. All my friends loved My Best Friends Wedding.. I hated Julia Roberts within a half hour and I never felt like she redeemed herself. I never in a million years would have forgiven somebody if they put me through that crap.

Also, I have no problem hating Scarlett in Gone With The Wind. A friend used to go on and on about how much she loved that movie and how she idolized Scarlett O'hara. Finally she talked into watching it. When we finished watching it she was all excited and asked me what I though of Scarlett. I looked her dead in the eye and told her I thought she was a nasty manipulative bitch. She was devastated but I had to be honest.

Posted by: JULIE at June 24, 2011 10:28 AM

I'm waiting for someone to tie 2 tampons together and make nun-chucks...

All those movies suck. Message or no message, do you find them entertaining? That is all that matters.

But seriously... I hate Julia Roberts, she is annoying.

Posted by: MRod at June 24, 2011 11:03 AM

Okay, wow. This post hits some classics, and I've got opinions bursting out of me on them.

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers Post is correct on this. It is offensive, but glorious. This was my father's favorite move - the first VHS our family bought, the first DVD our family bought - and I introduced friends to it at college. A couple of my male friends would actually change into solid colored shirts when we watched it. Frank(incense) is a glorious, hot hot man and kickass dancer. And Howard Keel is my favorite musical leading man from the golden age.

My Fair Lady She did not actually love Freddy; he was a good marriage for her, but that wasn't enough for Shaw. Instead, she does return (platonically!) to a man with whom she has built a relationship. Higgins has also changed (as does Pygmalion on the original myth) and come to respect her.

Gigi I hadn't seen since I was a child - but I caught last week on TCM. It's messed up, but it's based on a Colette novel so...gonna blame source material for this one. It's not a great musical though, in my books.

Bridge Jones I'm with those who noted that it's not the MOVIE categorizing women - it's Bridget who feels categorized by how everyone treats her. And I would bet most women here have felt that way. The book made me laugh, the movie charmed me more than I imagined. (BJD2 book/movie does not exist. Shut up. It does not exist)

Lastly Gone With the Wind Are you kidding me? There is no shame in loving this movie - not all leading characters/women need to be sympathetic. Scarlett is kickass. She wants the "wrong" things maybe, and is ruthless and can't see a good thing when she's got it - but that's what makes her awesome and realistic. Also - this book, read in 7th grade, actually gave me a handle on the southern perspective of the Civil War, instead of Southerners being straight up evil-doers.

The Wedding Planner sucks. You should feel ashamed of yourselves.

Posted by: Sara Tonin at June 24, 2011 12:42 PM

Kittyface, are we related? I have the same problem with Bell Book and Candle! Kim Novak and her Incredible Crayoned Eyebrows go from living a beatnik dream life and casting spells on bitches to wearing Barbie dresses and selling cheap seashells, all for that total square Jimmy Stewart? She dumps her Familiar, Pyewacket for him? I say "nay"!

Posted by: lil_a at June 24, 2011 3:01 PM

Pinky McLadybits
I love you. I love The Twilight Saga, read the books, watched the movies and like you I am an adult and I am not ashamed.
I could do without the judgement or women who have read all of them then claim to hate them. Why would you read thousands of pages of something you were not enjoying?
See you at the midnight show!

Posted by: daria at June 24, 2011 5:15 PM

Secretary is one of my all-time favorite movies. And many of my wimmen friends love this movie too. But could someone please justify it?

Posted by: Darth Darko at June 24, 2011 5:41 PM

Daria,
As to the why would you read one thousand pages etc.....My answer to that is that because reasonable, intelligent women assured me that these books were wonderful. Okay, I trusted them. I read all of them and, in truth, the value they provided was in complaining about them with my sister (who had also been bamboozled). You know we all enjoy a it's so bad...it's not even bad/good...it's just baaaaaaad conversation. So in that way there was entertainment value. Oh, BTW, I got to within a few chapters of completing the "saga" and just never picked it back up again. I just couldn't care and the torture of reading it wasn't worth the enjoyment of making fun of it anymore. That said, I read Xanth fantasy novels forever and they are not great literature either. I'm sure others would say that they are so bad that they're just bad.

OH, Been a lurker forever. 1st Post.

Posted by: Twinner at June 24, 2011 10:40 PM

The Quiet Man for me, too. The worst thing is the way it arouses the secret hankering in me for a man who would drag me back to the scullery by the hair and make me behave myself.

Oh yes.

Posted by: June Velcro at June 25, 2011 6:03 AM

What's a fire, and why does it-

-what's the word-

(syncopated rest)

-Buuuuuuuuurn?

Posted by: Lucas at June 25, 2011 4:27 PM

Please, please, please never use the spelling "Womyn" again. Isn't that a stupid, feminist bullshit spelling from the 1970's?

I SPELL HOW I WANT. You're not the boss of me! Also, YOUR FACE is a stupid, feminist bullshit spelling from the 1970s.

AND ALSO in response to Daria's Twilight question, I also read all of those stupid awful books, from the first page to the last, and I'll tell you why: I'm pretty sure the pages are laced with opium.

Posted by: Anna von Beav at June 25, 2011 5:35 PM

Natalie Wood, not Woods.

Posted by: maryannexed at June 26, 2011 12:20 AM

I hate to break it to you, but the ending of Pygmalion was not changed for My Fair Lady. It was, in fact, changed for the movie version of Pygmalion. The producers (or whoever) insisted that it was unbelievable that anyone would leave Leslie Howard, so Eliza went back to Higgins. My Fair Lady used that ending, but didn't invent it.

Now that I think about it, aren't Gigi and Pretty Woman kind of the same movie? Gigi has her aunt and grandmother, and Vivian has Kat. The difference is that Pretty Woman thinks it's based on Cinderella, and Gigi knows it's based on a story by Colette.

Posted by: KateNonymous at June 26, 2011 1:30 AM

I don't like any of them. But I should point out I have taste. Good for me. :)

Posted by: Chris at June 26, 2011 7:18 AM

I am an unrepentant lover of Gone With the Wind, and I have been since I was 14 years old! That being said, however...

The thing that absolutely chaps my ass about GWTW, is the fact that no one is honest in that book! Ashley can't just man up and say he doesn't love Scarlett, he loves Melanie, Scarlett can't just say she learns to love Rhett deeply, and Rhett won't tell Scarlett he loves her! Granted, I know that the whole book sort of revolves around these unsaid things, but damn. It's frustrating. Of course, if everyone in the book was honest, it would be about 10 pages long.

Posted by: ZombieNurse at June 26, 2011 2:01 PM

I was going to rail against this list until I remembered that I was supposed to keep my humorless feminism in check. So I will merely say:

Seven Brides for Seven Brothers = 7 hot, dancing, singing gingers. Was there a story, too?

Posted by: Ish at June 26, 2011 2:16 PM

Secretary is one of my all-time favorite movies. And many of my wimmen friends love this movie too. But could someone please justify it?

Living out a sub/dom relationship isn't demeaning to the sub as long at it's that person's choice. The relationship in that movie between Mr. Grey and Lee, which may seem abnormal or abusive on the surface, is built on mutual affection and respect for what each person desires in that situation.

Posted by: stephi_who at June 26, 2011 3:07 PM

Calling McCounaughey "T-REX arms" is a huge insult to the men reading this. Have you seen a T-REX arms? They're like tumors attached to an SUV.

Posted by: xtlhogciao at June 26, 2011 3:56 PM

I will love Seven Brides for Seven Brothers and loathe Pretty Woman until the end of time. As far as Gone with the Wind goes, Miss Melanie is awesome. Scarlet, not so much.

Posted by: Ana at June 26, 2011 4:17 PM

Hold up there: Scarlett O'Hara saves every damned person on that farm. She saves the farm. She steels her spine and gives the Hamiltons a place to LIVE and WORK for God's sake. She puts her own needs aside to save that plantation and plant it and make it thrive again. She comes back to a dead mother and a crazy father and pulls it together when NO ONE else can or does. She SAVES Melanie's life and the life of her baby. I swear to God I HATE it when peoiple just write off Scarlett's magnificent accomplishments JUST BECAUSE she was spoiled and emotionally stunted. You people disgust me. I said GOOD DAY Sir.

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