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The Porn Industry’s Condom Problem

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (57)



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Last week it was reported that a San Fernando Valley adult film performer had tested positive for HIV. Two porn companies, Vivid Entertainment and Wicked Pictures, have shut down operations temporarily in response to the situation, but the case is making it obvious that the porn industry as a whole needs to start doing more to protect its performers. In mainstream heterosexual porn, it’s common practice for performers to get tested for STIs once a month, but condoms are rarely used (on the other hand, condom use is standard in the gay porn industry but testing is not). The testing agency that reported the positive result, the Adult Industry Medical Healthcare Foundation, has not released the performer’s name, gender, or work history, so there’s no telling yet how many other performers may have been exposed to the virus (there is a rumor that the performer had recently moved from gay porn into heterosexual porn, but that stinks of HIV-positive = gay homophobia to me, so I’m discounting it for now). The good news is, AIM maintains a database of sex scenes which allows them to trace the (professional) partners of anyone that tests positive for an STI, the bad news is that hundreds of porn actors may have been exposed due to the unsafe practices of the porn industry.

Not surprisingly, lots of people are calling for the state of California to mandate condom use in porn to protect the health of the performers. The industry, in turn, has argued that its policy of monthly STI testing provides adequate protection for workers. That is, frankly, a load of horseshit. It certainly hasn’t worked to protect performers from other infections — in 2004-2008 59.9% of porn actors (75.2% of men and 53.9% of women) contracted Chlamydia and 32.7% (20.0% of men and 37.6% of women) contracted Gonorrhea (there’s a link to a pdf file of the LA County’s department of health statistics on STI infections in porn workers here). Additionally, a significant number of female performers who tested positive for Chlamydia or Gonorrhea had repeat infections within a year — a circumstance that greatly increases that chances of complications from what are otherwise relatively harmless bacterial infections. A total of 8 cases of HIV have been detected in porn actors in that same time frame, and 4 of those performers contracted the virus during film production. The most infamous recent outbreak of HIV in the porn industry occurred in 2004, when three women were infected after filming scenes with HIV-positive performer Darren James (James has since become an advocate for condom use in porn).

If the statistics aren’t convincing enough, consider this: there is no way to detect the presence of the HIV virus itself. HIV testing relies instead on the detection of antibodies to the virus, a sign that the body’s immune system has identified and responded to the infection. The problem is, this immune response can take anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 months to manifest. During that time an infected person could have the virus present in his or her bloodstream in concentrations high enough to transmit the infection to others and yet still test negative for HIV (in fact, that is exactly what happened with James, who had tested negative before passing on the virus to his coworkers). Most people (96-97%) develop antibodies within 3 months, but that leaves 3-4% who don’t show any signs of the infection for a significant amount of time, and anyway 3 months is plenty of time to spread the virus when you’re engaging in unprotected sex on a regular basis, as most adult film actors obviously do. Monthly testing is a good idea for people engaged in sex work of any kind, but it alone can’t prevent the spread of HIV. The only way to be sure through testing that the disease isn’t spread is to require performers to pass a test for the virus a full six months after their last unprotected sexual encounter. That’s clearly unrealistic. The next best option, then, is to use protection (along with regular testing), in the form of condoms. Latex condoms don’t offer perfect protection, but when used correctly they are highly effective (98-99.9%) at preventing HIV transmission.

The porn industry has expressed reluctance to use condoms on a regular basis for a number of reasons. Primarily they’re concerned about their bottom line - customers prefer bareback sex and sales go down when companies use condoms. That’s a terrible argument when stacked against the health of performers. Thanks to modern medicine HIV is now more of a chronic condition than a death sentence, but it’s still a severe disease that wrecks havoc on the body even with medication, and no one should be placed in a position where their livelihood puts them at risk of contracting it. It has also been argued that because of the way scenes are shot condoms are likely to break and cause painful abrasions, which could lead to other types of infection. Look, I understand that. I prefer bareback myself because condoms can cause an uncomfortable amount of friction, but the gay porn industry has made it work, and frankly, anuses are if anything more prone to abrasion and tears than vaginas. It may mean that the industry needs to adjust the way they film scenes and I don’t know, cut down on gang-banging or other types of rough sex that could lead to condoms chafing female performers (or receptive male performers), but consistent condom use in porn is definitely doable. It may not make producers as much money and some customers (and performers) may not be perfectly happy with the change, but it’s the ethical thing to do. Another potential issue is that the industry may simply pack up its operations and move somewhere that doesn’t enforce condom usage or testing. In that case, it’s up to customers to direct their purchasing power toward companies that protect their workers (Wicked claims they use condoms as standard practice, although I haven’t had a chance to watch any videos to verify that). I realize that researching a company’s practices is a lot of effort when it comes to watching porn, but again, it’s the ethical thing to do and ultimately consumers do have much more power to affect what becomes common practice in porn than the state of California does.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.









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Comments

1. Once the penis is inserted, you don't even see the condom, so I don't get where someone watching a video would even care.

2. Just CGI the condom out. Replace it with a snake or animal head or, I don't know, SKIN? It can't be that hard (hehehe, OK, I'm still 8 years old).

3. Try more lube.

4. Try the female condom. I have. OK, it's like fucking in a sandwich baggie, but again, it's inside the woman, and the outside bit you could bedazzle or something.

Posted by: BWeaves at October 19, 2010 4:58 PM

Pisaster, you're a fantastic writer. I love reading your articles.

Posted by: Marcela at October 19, 2010 5:04 PM

So if ALL the porn made had condoms used, you're telling me people would stop buying porn entirely?

Yeah, I didn't think so.

Posted by: Fredo at October 19, 2010 5:07 PM

Once again, a beautifully written article.

I agree with what's been said above, and I also think that the response "people prefer to watch bareback sex" is incredibly lazy and self serving. It smacks more of a resistance to change than any real reason why condoms wouldn't be "good" for the stright porn industry.

It's pretty much a no-brainer. Use condoms, protect the workers in the industry, do the right thing. Period.

Like Fredo said, people will still buy porn. That's also a no-brainer.

Posted by: noodlestein at October 19, 2010 5:17 PM

People are going to watch porn no matter what, and if the porn industry insists on condom usage, perhaps it will become more common amongst non-professionals who fuck. You know, the rest of the damned world. And then maybe, just maybe, the porn industry will have done something good for society in general, and how awesome would that be?

Posted by: Reba at October 19, 2010 5:20 PM

Agree with Marcela: interesting and informative read as always, doctor. I didn't know HIV could be latent and undetected to testing for that length of time; that fact alone seems to indicate that they can't maintain the status quo with any measure of integrity.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 19, 2010 5:35 PM

Reba, I agree.

Posted by: BWeaves at October 19, 2010 5:42 PM

No, people wouldn't stop buying porn. Vivid and Evil Angel and Wicked would all move to Europe, or wherever else it would take to make the work legal.

I'm not the biggest customer, but it certainly annoys me when there is a condom in all but two or three scenes I've watched. It ruins the fantasy. Perhaps they should be more selective or informed about who they're fucking instead of cranking out 11 out of 15 days shooting. I don't want to see condoms, but if James Deen and Joanna Angel want to make 15 dvds and concentrate on other production aspects, that would suit me just fine. I like the Batman porn parody with Alexis Texas and Kimberly Kane. I know Young Harlots are always putting out a good product. Frankly, there's too much sex in the porn industry, and even the young girls who've just discovered how much they love the camera, or being watched, or just how good they're at it, sometimes captured on while on film; some get so used up in a scant few months, lose their minds, and never think "I should slow down, take it easier, not think that cranking up the dicks and silicone is what makes this sexy."

Making condoms mandatory won't work. It'll just make porn another thing we import.

Posted by: Beercan bravado at October 19, 2010 5:57 PM

I love these articles, but on this one I wish to play Devil's advocate. I should state that while I support the industry's efforts to enforce condom usage and rid themselves of outbreaks like this, I am going to argue that it can't work given the industry we're talking about.

@BWeaves: I agree with your argument about once it's in, no one can tell anyway. Great point. Unfortunately, what happens once it's time for the money shot? People want that, people need that. That's their closure! Money shots are what separates pr0n from HBO and cinemax. People watch it for a reason, and if we're talking Vivid and Wicked here, you're not gonna sell a $35 dvd of people having safe sex, finishing off inside a condom (where you may as well fake the orgasm because you can't tell being a third party viewer anyway), then throwing away said condom and cuddling. People watch pr0n for fantasy, not what they do in bed already. This whole paragraph also applies to oral sex with any orifice using condoms or dental dams. Not gonna happen.

Enforcing this will only hurt their bottom line and give the free amateur sites flooding the interwebs even more traffic and support. Why would people who want to see their fantasies played out pay for a $30-$40 dvd by Wicked/Vivid where everything is sterilized and safe, when they can get it for free and the way they like it online?

The fact of the matter is, things in the bedroom are more sexy because they're naughty. Or taboo. Safe sex is not naughty or taboo in most cases. This fact will hurt the industry's efforts to sanitize a product that is only in demand because it is dirty.

Before I finish, I wish to restate that I support the efforts to make the lives of performers safer, I just don't think it's practical for them to do business wise. And it's not their fault. It's ours.

Posted by: Sam at October 19, 2010 6:00 PM

I'm amused that anyone thinks the customers care about the safety of the performers. They don't. The performers are just product. People who watch porn don't care about the people in the porn. They just want to get their jollies. The performers are like used tissues. Discard one and there are plenty more to replace them. One of the reasons I'm not a fan of porn. You can make any excuse or rationale you want, but the bottom line is, porn exploits people and exposes them to harm as a part of the business model. People who buy/watch porn contribute to this. I'm not saying it's worse than, say, the agriculture industry that employs undocumented temporary workers for crap wages and crap working conditions, but it's not better, either.

If you mandate condom use in porn in the U.S., they'll just move production offshore or just make it unregulated/under the table, so to speak (more so than it is now). And the state of CA (where I assume most porn is produced) doesn't have a tremendous amount of incentive (much less the money) to enforce "safety" regulations in the business, anyway. Obviously. The testing "program" is a really pretty sad joke.

RE "in 2004-2008 59.9% of porn actors (75.2% of men and 53.9% of women) contracted Chlamydia and 32.7% (20.0% of men and 37.6% of women) contracted Gonorrhea. Additionally, a significant number of female performers who tested positive for Chlamydia or Gonorrhea had repeat infections within a year"

Yikes, that may be even worse than I thought. How does that compare to the general public (which I know is also pretty bad)?

Posted by: Slash at October 19, 2010 6:17 PM

there's other ways to practice safe sex: i remember a joke something to the effect that lesbian porn(for lesbians) usually involved drinking herbal tea and discussing critical theory. sounds pretty safe

Posted by: idleprimate at October 19, 2010 6:29 PM

People watch pron for fantasy

Will Jeff Bridges be in Pron 2? Will he ride a light-bike, if you know what I mean?

Posted by: Brenton at October 19, 2010 6:33 PM

@Brenton

lol i dont know whether to correct that with "porn" or "pr0n". the latter i use out of habit when im on the company controlled instant message program at work

Posted by: Sam at October 19, 2010 6:37 PM

thats a zero not a lowercase o.

Posted by: joe at October 19, 2010 6:39 PM

Unfortunately, what happens once it's time for the money shot?
They take the condom off and aim away from the vagina/anus/any open wounds?

Posted by: dr. pisaster at October 19, 2010 6:49 PM

"So if ALL the porn made had condoms used, you're telling me people would stop buying porn entirely?"

Of course not.
But you're glossing over the "ALL the porn made" problem. It would be impossible to enforce a mandate like that for "ALL the porn". As was mentioned above, production companies could move out of the U.S. (resulting in a loss of tax revenue that terrifies California waaay more than AIDS), and/or there'd be a heavier influx of underground porn.

Like prohibition. If porn enthusiasts prefer bareback, (i'm inclined to believe the porn industry is correct here - if there's anything they understand, it's their customers) they're going to seek out bareback. And they'll consciously NOT buy condom porn to get it.

Posted by: Scott at October 19, 2010 6:50 PM

Mainstream porn is generally gross. Also, I find it hard to believe anyone actually buys porn, it's literally everywhere on the internet.

Posted by: Steph at October 19, 2010 7:04 PM

I pay for porn as penance. I completely avoid the free stuff.

It's higher qual, plus there's porn in BLU RAY. whodathunk, right?

Posted by: Beercan bravado at October 19, 2010 7:13 PM

Steph, agreed. i feel the same way about spam, or ads on websites. (oops, sorry Dustin)
But obviously there are tons of people out there who click on that stuff, otherwise it wouldn't be so prevalent.

Posted by: Scott at October 19, 2010 7:16 PM

I'm too much of a "pearl clutcher" (saw that term on this site earlier today) to watch the stuff so the statement "it's the ethical thing to do when watching porn" is amusing to me.

Posted by: jen at October 19, 2010 7:31 PM

I'm inclined to agree with the comment someone made earlier comparing restrictive laws on pornography to prohibition. With the internet the way it is, there would be no way to suitably regulate pornography. Harsher regulations will just drive it underground into the hands of amatuers, and it will only become more dangerous. Should it be better regulated? Obviously yes. Is that likely to happen? No, I don't think so.

Also, I can say with complete certitude that chlamydia is a common disease that the average person is cabable of contracting. Yes, even twice. So I don't think the statistics listed above for the frequency of that (and other easily-curable STDs) is too shocking or out of line. Especially considering the industry is founded on sex with multiple partners. I would be shocked to hear that these people aren't constantly popping tetracycline.

Posted by: superasente at October 19, 2010 7:50 PM

Huh. This is actually a toughie.

I have worked in the sex industry in various different ways, including selling porn.

Firstly - sadly, legislating condom use in porn by one US state will not make any difference. It will just drive the industry to other places. The change must come from within the industry.

Secondly - Vivid and Wicked are probably the two most ethical companies in the business, with probably the most respect for their performers (bar a few indie companies perhaps. I'm talking about mainstream). They have big money, attract the biggest stars, and do the most to look after their stars. There is a huge amount of porn being made that is miles away from these studios. (metaphorically if not physically)

Thirdly - I would agree with a previous commenter that the female condom might be the best solution, especially if they can manage to engineer one that is less visible externally.

I guess the main thing is that the change has to come from within the industry. I don't believe that increased legislation is necessarily the answer, as that will just drive the nastiness further and further underground, resulting in more and more dangerous practises.

Posted by: koj at October 19, 2010 8:06 PM

RE Steph: "Mainstream porn is generally gross. Also, I find it hard to believe anyone actually buys porn, it's literally everywhere on the internet."

Apparently, mainstream porn is losing market share to free porn. So, not only are performers being exposed to STDs, they're not making that much money to do it. Some links:

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/business/

http://open.salon.com/blog/amytuteurmd/2009/01/26/porn_star_laments_were_going_down

http://www.bnet.com/blog/advertising-business/recession-in-porn-business-has-lessons-for-mainstream-advertisers-faster-smaller-more-expensive/3904

http://articles.latimes.com/2009/aug/10/business/fi-ct-porn10

RE superasente: "I don't think the statistics listed above for the frequency of that (and other easily-curable STDs) is too shocking or out of line."

It's not shocking, per se, but it does suggest that if these people are contracting non-lethal STDs at those rates, the chances that they are contracting AIDS also is significantly higher than the industry would like us to believe. Given that the vectors are the same.

Posted by: Slash at October 19, 2010 8:13 PM

Slash, superasente the pdf states that the rate of Chlamydia/Gonorrhea infections is 8-18X that of the general population, but there's obviously a large amount of uncertainty in that number, since there aren't great statistics for the rates in the general population. Both those infections are frequently asymptomatic and clear up on their own given enough time, so a lot of people may have them and not even know it. Especially since most people aren't tested more than once a year (if that) unlike porn workers who get tested frequently. That said, if the point of testing regularly is to prevent infections spreading among performers, it clearly isn't working.

Posted by: dr. pisaster at October 19, 2010 8:31 PM

Seems to me that there'd be plenty of opportunity to take the high-quality production team into the bedrooms of long-term stable non-infected couples.

Kinda make the amateurs into bareback central? It would decentralize the industry, and there'd be less 'stardom' and endless titles/vehicles for one performer, I suppose, but it's one workaround.

Lord knows there's plenty of attractive couples vying for just that anyways, and alas - only poor lighting stands in the way of total web domination, as 'twere.

Posted by: replica at October 19, 2010 8:47 PM

People are freaks. And people really don't like condoms in porn.
Personally I don't mind condoms. I look at the women. I guess I'm funny that way.
I just think it's funny that they have unprotected oral sex and then they put on the condom.

And yes I do pay for porn. My computer has crashed twice already from these so called "Free porn sites."

Posted by: junierizzle at October 19, 2010 8:55 PM

That's too bad. Porn with a condom takes out a lot of the fantasy element, the idealized sex, but I'd rather know people aren't dying so I can jack off.

Posted by: Lucas at October 19, 2010 9:10 PM

replica >> I think there's a reality show just waiting to take the nation by storm in your premise...

Posted by: DarthCorleone at October 19, 2010 9:56 PM

I realise that having tits mean I'm not the intended market for porn, but I'd watch a hell of a lot MORE porn if they used condoms. Just out of curiosity, how do other women feel about the money shot?

I can't stand it. I'm very ashamed of myself for this, because I like every other part of a man, and I love what it symbolises, but I can't get past the fact that cum looks like a flu-patient's snot. And apparently, although I'm fine with blood and other revolting things, snot makes me feel sick. So instead of being aroused by the money shot, I'm dry-retching and desperate to point the poor girl/s towards a sink and some disinfectant.

I'm sincerely sorry to any men I've offended.

Posted by: Not saying. at October 19, 2010 9:57 PM

Are you suggesting a Cassavetes/Bergmanian communal-type, six-month projects where a roster of talent coming in with clean bills of health get together to create and copulate in numerous films?

Immediately changing careers and buying an island, any island, if the ban goes full faith and federal.

As to all people liking cumshots: this hetero male doesn't really need it on film, though I will say that condoms and fake spew are instantly detectable and even deterring.

I also think you're insecure to pointedly affirm that you don't look at the guy yet like watching the porn. If there's anything that amplifies sex in film or person, it's when personality transcends the sexual act. I don't watch a whole lot of it, mostly because it lacks actors and actresses with personality. In the case of the meat sticks, I can't stand that the woman, no matter how vacuous she might seem, has to lower herself to their levels. That said, I have preferable male and female performers, and those I absolutely abhor, based primarily on personality.

I am skeptical about the STD numbers in the porn industry. Are you sure there is not some tank/PAC motivations behind these studies? AIDS is a big gun to break out with no confirmation. I feel for the sick, but it's not as if the performer patient 0 contracted it in the workplace. There isn't "too much sex in porn," but the actresses in high demand really do need to reel it in. Take less jobs. Protect themselves since, as stated above, neither the producers nor the customers are going to care if they are harmed in their profession. (That, even the dim broads would understand pretty quickly, which leads to to believe that if the STDs were accurate on an annual basis, there would be more turnover. Though, I, too, don't have much to do with the free sites, as many are specifically engineered to mine or micturate out all that computing power. Still, I wonder how they collected stats on all those random, low-tier performers?)

I think everyone can accept that porn stars have made their choices. It's bad news, especially if all those stats hold true. Without even checking, I'm feeling more cautious. If I was in the business, I'd be damn well terrified. But I wouldn't be looking to the fans or legislation to protect me from here on. Nor would I want any local government telling me I can't work here anymore. Though islands do sound nice.

Also, I think it's ridiculous that the porn industry is sad about its profits. It makes insane profits. It might be hyperbole or a fevered dream, but I read somewhere that it makes geometrically larger dividends than Hollywood.

Now, get a cast the possessing the talent of at least the group behind Farscape, I think even the porn industry could movies as interesting as the better stuff we watch and love. The Story of O with older players. Light In August as some niche runaway flick. Type-cast Claudia Black mixing it up with the accents and blond hair like she did in that Don Quixote episode where she was a Southern belle inside some holodeck-ian mind game.

Now, hands up, how many of you know I'm being ironic with that last bit?

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 20, 2010 12:43 AM

To those of you making jokes, AIDS is not funny!

...

Unless of course it's giving AIDS to a clown.

Posted by: What an A**hole at October 20, 2010 12:53 AM

Wait, porn is about fantasy and condoms ruin that fantasy? What exactly is the fantasy you're talking about?

...A dark future where a war with giant rubber robots has caused a latex shortage?

...An alternate timeline where condoms don't exist (presumably because STI's give you great health or super powers in this parallel world)?

...Catholocism? Do you like to think that all the couplings on screen result in babies? Do you imagine all the actors are secretly married?

What? What is this fantasy of yours that is ruined by the concept that people, even inexplicably horny strangers, even nymphomaniacs who seduce pool cleaners and pizza delivery drivers, would actually ensure that a condom be worn. Because let me tell you, when I think about anonymous sex with someone I've just met, condoms are a very important part of that fantasy.

Wouldn't not wearing condoms ruin the whole spur-of-the-moment-sex fantasy. Or are you that unfamiliar with the practice, that you've got the actual reason for condoms all turned around?

I guess you feel that seatbelts ruin NASCAR too, huh?

Posted by: DarthBrookes at October 20, 2010 1:11 AM

I've contracted chlamydia twice. Once when I was young and stupid and once when I had just started having sex with a monogamous partner. Both times the women didn't know they'd had the disease because, like you said, it can be asymptomatic.

Actually, I learned that it is more often asymptomatic for women. Men have a very narrow opening and women don't; women have a lot going on down there. When there is discharge (which is a build-up of white blood cells fighting off infection, and manifests only very slightly) the man is simply more likely to notice. Now, as far as the burning sensation during urination (actually more of a crisp tingle), I can't comment for women. I can say that for myself it was noticeable, but perhaps only because I was looking for it in concert with the other peculiarities.

I'm neither proud nor ashamed. I know I should probably exert some kind of internal editing when the topic comes up (for example, not announcing it in a public forum), but I'm not one for bottling, and talking about it openly and honestly helps to exercise feelings that otherwise might become shameful.

Based on these experiences, I would venture to guess that sexually transmitted diseases are more common in the normal population than people are aware. Undoubtedly, within the pornographic community it is easily far more common (your statistics don't surprise me, Doc), but know that it is not UNcommon for those who don't screw for money.

I would be utterly shocked to learn that other Pajibans don't have similar experiences.

Posted by: superasente at October 20, 2010 1:26 AM

Jackseppelin: The idea of having talented performers and stuff? Nice in principle, but the reason there's so much gonzo porn and very little story-driven (such as it is) feature-type stuff is that gonzo porn is both cheaper and quicker to produce. No locations to scout and procure, not a lot in the way of wardrobe or sets/lighting to contend with, and no script to write/rehearse. Also: did you see Shortbus by any chance?

First amendment notwithstanding, the powers that be at many porn companies must be aware, given their voluntary shutdown, that the last thing they want is to give any government agency the initiative to start regulating them. The studio heads (for lack of a better term) know that too many politicians/bureaucrats would like nothing better than to shut the entire industry down; giving the anti-sex policymakers even the slightest reason to mobilize is not in the porn industry's interests.

Given how much gay bareback porn is being produced "underground" already, I'm not sure that the higher ethical minds of porn producers and distributors in the larger industry can be trusted. Bareback porn wouldn't be making as much money as it seems to be if there were no demand for it, right? And the justifications that gay bareback producers aren't all that dissimilar to the ones straight producers have been using since the mid-eighties, plus one other "salient" point: some of the more "reputable" bareback producers sero-sort their bareback scenes so that only negative-tested performers perform together in one scene, or only positive-tested performers work together, along with the whole "informed consent" rigmarole.

Yes, mandatory condom use on all porn sets would be ideal, but frankly, I don't see it happening without some sort of outside intervention, and I'm afraid that intervention on that order will more likely lead to the complete shutdown of the porn industry.

Posted by: Jerry at October 20, 2010 2:33 AM

@Slash

I don't know what you said, but this is what I read:

"Sinners, Harlots, Whores, Smut....God will smite thee."

Posted by: John G. at October 20, 2010 2:51 AM

John G., now now, no need to bait...

I just had another idea! Spray on dick sealer*! Surely we can formulate something that isn't as toxic/lethal** as std's***? And it should be clear, and balloony textured - so that at the end? The guy can spin around to the camera and pop the funbubble and there's your money shot! It'll be like hubba bubba****!

*I have so far failed the lesbian market. Apologies.

**The product should dissolve in mineral oil.

***I am honestly sad about the performers risking their lives for the sake of pleasing the clearly-in-existence 'go bare' demographic. Our sex workers - all types of them - deserve far more respect than we give them. These men and women feed the soul as much as the body.

****I'm really sorry. I'll stop now.

Posted by: replica at October 20, 2010 3:42 AM

RE: Prevalence of STDs in porn

You ever notice that many lifelong chefs are usually missing parts of some fingers? Ever see painters or dyers with permanently stained skin? Notice that the soldiers exposed to the most combat are more susceptible to mental disorders than others?

I relate these issues to the sheer volume of sex that porn actors and actresses have with different people. Their partners easily number in the 1,000's. If you fuck 1,000 strangers, you will have a MUCH higher exposure to STDs and HIV, regardless of how safe you are. I'm not discounting the effectiveness of condoms in porn. At all. But discount the Giant Whore:Contracted Diseases ratio at your own peril.

Posted by: Kballs at October 20, 2010 8:24 AM

My ex used to work for a company that developed the software and hardware used in on-demand movies, especially the systems used by hotels.

Of course porn was the bread-and-butter of the industry. It's usually an early implementation of any visual innovation. But from the on-demand industry's point of view, it was especially terrific because most porn was only played for 11 minutes. They got to charge for a whole movie that only used hardware resources for 11 minutes.

How much story are you going to develop in 11 minutes?

Maybe there's a more mature, sophisticated market for higher quality porn, but I'm not sure that's where the big bucks reside.

Posted by: Wednesday at October 20, 2010 9:18 AM

RE: The Money Shot. EWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!

I second the "semen looks like snot and turns me off" comment.

I want to see a man come inside the woman, so wear a damn condom.

Posted by: BWeaves at October 20, 2010 10:34 AM

it’s up to customers to direct their purchasing power toward companies that protect their workers

I don't think my ISP can detect whether I'm watching free porn where the actors use condoms.

Posted by: pissant at October 20, 2010 11:03 AM

But with condoms, how's the fella supposed to pee inside her bug?

Posted by: Skitz at October 20, 2010 11:07 AM

RE John G: @Slash I don't know what you said, but this is what I read: "Sinners, Harlots, Whores, Smut....God will smite thee."


Of course you did. Reading comprehension IS hard. One day you'll get it.

Posted by: Slash at October 20, 2010 11:13 AM

But just because statistics feel right doesn't mean that they are correct. I know pisaster's been around, but I don't think she ever qualified her numbers. I'm saying I doubt with source citation, and even more without.


I did some checking, and if it all didn't seem to be stemming from Shelley Lubben's Pink Foundation, I'd be more inclined to believe it. Still, Yikes.

Maybe we should watch our porn more along the lines of Crash, Secretary, and 9 songs. But only if it was much more difficult to produce in America, something while I'm not totally behind, needs to lack enforcement, but merely bring charges, fines, and for egregious actions, prison sentences for porn producers and performers. If 12000 people generate 36 million in tax revenue for the state of California, imagine how much 60-75% of the them could feed the justice system.

Yeah, I don't think these actresses and actors are getting any help any time soon. Can the top-tier unionize, or put "My co-stars can't have fucking herpes" in their riders? Is there a porn guild that could make sure that even lower tiers aren't getting whatever drug addict or desperate woman they find off the street?

Jerry, I did see Shortbus, but not expecting a raunchy rioting time, and overall liked the film. Maybe I just liked it out of un-phobia, but I recognized its merit as showing enterprise. Not great, not awful. Can't really remember a single thing about it though, if you'd force me. (Though I think you're either taking my artistic skin flicks a little too seriously, or that misjudge my estimation of the talent of the cast of Farscape. Just that if it was harder to make movies, we'd probably see better ones.)

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 20, 2010 11:37 AM

Jackseppelin, my statistics come from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health, which I'd say is pretty reliable. If anything, the numbers are likely underestimates. If you follow the link up there, you can access the pdf if you want to judge them for yourself.
A lot of people seem to be missing the point. Yes, engaging in lots of sex acts for pay will expose you to more diseases than the average person. The thing is, the porn industry claims (and most likely leads its workers to believe) that monthly testing is sufficient to prevent that. It's not. That's the point - not that the behavior isn't risky, but that people are being misled about the level of protection they have and should be able to do more to protect themselves.

Posted by: dr. pisaster at October 20, 2010 12:18 PM

Gotta agree with Not saying and BWeaves - I'm a lady who loves porn, but the "money shot" is such a turn off. It's gross, and I don't know any women who actually enjoy that in real life, either. I'm sure they may exist, but I've yet to encounter any.

Still, most porn is marketed to men, and you guys must really enjoy that shit, because it's difficult to find porn that ends with the dude coming inside the woman - and a condom wouldn't ruin that for me at all, it would just make it so much safer - although I am aware there are also those folks who get off on the whole "cream pie" business (again, ew).

Spunk is just nasty, is I guess what I'm saying here.

Posted by: Hazel at October 20, 2010 1:00 PM

If that's your point, then no, I can't really see your point. It's similar to the credit card situation. It's different because credit cards are something you almost have to participate in to play in all the other reindeer games, but it's like someone saying they don't understand why credit lines were all good and being extended but that having 30 credit cards was bad. Now, you'd relent that while the credit card companies/porn producers are predatory and abusive, and absolutely should pay to offset the social costs it creates out of negligence or otherwise criminal activity, this cannot discount the fact that the proponents in the deal wants to do the stupid, self-destructive things to themselves.

My gawd, I sound like one of them.

I think I'm with ya, seastar, I just think the conclusion is weak. Call it a brain fart, but I looked for the links and hadn't seen them until you made me look again.

So this is a bit more difficult in finding a solution that I thought. Yes, you well meaning, generally wholesome people might have the obvious answer, but not enough of you buy porn. So if you're with the Pink Foundation, or cumbersome enough to make the county services research for you (methods, por favor. Even from a government source, there needs be these crucial details) you might remember your secret agenda is to shut down the locals.

Where i hope I stop sounding like them is that I don't believe they have the right to shut the industry down. Sex is like credit, everyone has it, and just because some people do it rough and raunchy doesn't mean you get to cut up their cards. So I hope there are more protections for the adult film workers, but after a short span of infection or proximity to infection, I can't call anyone the victim here.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 20, 2010 1:04 PM

Re: Hardcore with no money shots.

That was an idea that former porn star Candida Royalle landed upon in the eighties, and she founded Femme Productions on that principle. Haven't heard of Femme Productions? My point exactly; only thirteen titles in thirteen years, the last in 1997. The more individuals within the industry try to change the norm, the more the norm reinforces itself.

Posted by: Jerry at October 20, 2010 4:02 PM

As someone who watches my fair share of porn (and probably a lot more than my fair share), seeing condoms immediately kills the fantasy. Condoms in porn sucks. I'm not saying I have the right answer: obviously there needs to be something done to protect the performers, and if condoms are what it takes, then so be it I guess, but I can see why their sales go down when they have condoms in videos: they fucking suck.

Posted by: Peezy at October 20, 2010 5:17 PM

No what else sucks? Not smoking inside bars. Somehow people have gotten over this and a new norm has been created, condom use can become a new health norm too. Second hand smoke is way less dangerous than infected jizz! Yes there may be a temporary sales drop but it will pick back up. People like their porn and they don't want to watch foreign porn or they already would because I'm sure it's cheaper to make in Thailand but Americans want American porn. And all of the porn industry won't pack up and move to small town America or other states because California is the center of the entertainment world and porn stars and producers like it here.

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Posted by: clover at October 21, 2010 3:21 AM

Just to play devils advocate- who cares? These people are not being forced to do anything. They have chosen this 'profession'and the concomitent risks associated with it. I dont care what they do or do not do, or contract, it's their choice and they are well paid for it. Imagine the conversation if you will-
"I got a blistering STD Maude."
"Gee Candy, thats awful. How?"
"At work, I think."
"Where do you work?"
"In porn. I boned 18 guys yesterday."
"Oh...ummm.......and you're surprised about this?"

Posted by: foxnhound at October 21, 2010 10:15 AM

I saw the Aeryn sun cut scenes all nicely packaged, so I couldn't resist. Here. Is it weird or just telling that I find her incredibly hot in this sequence?

Posted by: Jackseppelin at October 22, 2010 4:11 PM

Fuck you, DarthBrookes.

Posted by: Lucas at October 23, 2010 4:46 PM

you think giving clowns AIDS is funny? your all fucked

Posted by: Clown at October 23, 2010 6:01 PM

As an avid watcher of the gay porn, I can tell you about the condom use. It's not a problem, as far as I'm concerned. It's kind of funny because my friends and I joke about the "condom fairy" that comes around, most of the condoms just magically appear out of nowhere, they don't interrupt the dirty parts, and naughty tomfoolery continues uninterrupted. In fact, it almost makes me uncomfortable when I see bareback gay porn because I'm so used to seeing the condoms.

But I agree that it's ultimately up to the performers. They're adults. And one would think that as responsible adults in this age of information, they might be inclined to do a little research when it concerns, you know, THE AIDS. But I don't want to assume.

Posted by: Another guy at October 23, 2010 6:41 PM

I think it is odd that James has become an advocate for condom use, but the women he infected have not.

Posted by: ERM at October 23, 2010 9:42 PM