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Casual Sex and What Slate Got Wrong about "Sexual Economics"

By Dr. Pisaster | Posted Under Pajiba Dirty Talk | Comments (24)



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Last week Slate ran another one of those articles about male-female dynamics that’s based on the assumption that men enjoy and pursue sex more than women do. The only scientific study mentioned (a frequently cited one, the article notes!) is more than 20 years old. In fact, the experiments in that study were actually conducted in 1978 and 1982 — so make that more like 30 years old. In those experiments, confederate college students — men and women who ranged in appearance from “slightly unattractive” to “moderately attractive” (as defined by who knows what scale) — approached members of the opposite sex at locations on the University of Florida campus. They asked one of three questions, “Would you go out with me tonight?” “Would you come over to my apartment tonight?” or “Would you go to bed with me tonight?” The total subjects approached were 48 men and 48 women in each study. The subjects were rated by the questioners as ranging from “moderately” to “very” attractive. Both men and women responded positively to the idea of a date, but only men agreed to go to the questioners apartment or to bed with them, at rates of 68% and 75% respectively.

You can already see problems with this study, can’t you? Women, approached in the middle of the day and propositioned by a stranger, balk. Men enthusiastically agree. That doesn’t tell you much about how men and women behave when they don’t have to worry about social pressures to be fuck everything they can/be good girls who don’t do that. There’s also the fact that the questioners were on average rated as less attractive than the people they approached, which may have affected the respondents’ decisions (we don’t know, because the researchers didn’t bother to ask them about their reasons). Not to mention the safety issue. I’ll be honest, I’ve slept with at least one dude who approached me at random in a park. In fact, I countered his date offer with the information that I was only interested in casual sex. But I spent a good half hour talking to him before hand so that I could get a sense that this was someone who wouldn’t make me feel unsafe (not a guarantee, of course, but it never hurts to look for sketchy vibes). I can’t imagine agreeing to sex with a man who just walked up and offered (unless maybe he was reeeaaally gorgeous), because he might turn out to be dangerous. I doubt men worry quite as much about this possibility when approached by a strange woman. It doesn’t mean I’m less interested in casual sex, just that I have to take my safety into account when deciding who I’m going to sleep with. There’s also the fact that these experiments were conducted decades ago and may not apply to our current society. While sexual mores were loosening in the 70s and 80s, women still had less freedom to be sexually expressive than they do now.

The simple truth is that this oft cited study that so many assumptions of the male/female dynamic is based on is not really all that well designed (in fact, I’d say it’s biased toward a situation where men are more likely to respond positively), has a very small, very specific, sample size, and is, frankly, outdated. Ironically, the writer of that Slate article missed a more recently released paper that finds that, surprise, men and women are equally receptive to casual sex. It also demonstrates that how likely both genders are to respond to an offer of sex from a member of the opposite sex depends on how they perceive the personality of the person approaching them. This newer study used interviews to get at the motivations of men and women with respect to their sexual behavior, rather than a field study with unwitting subjects. In doing so it provides insight into why women and men might be more or less likely to accept sexual offers, but loses the direct evidence of how they behave when they don’t know they’re being watched. (This was done in part to protect the researcher, as current social attitudes mean that an unwanted sexual advance could be seen as illegal sexual harassment.) Unfortunately, this means we lack a direct comparison for the previous study that would demonstrate how men and women’s responses changed with societal changes. In order to compensate for this, interviewees were asked about their actual experiences of casual sex. This study also had a much more robust sample - 516 participants, compared to the original’s 192, although it was similarly composed of college students.

In the first part of the study, subjects were asked to imagine a scenario in which they were approached on campus by a stranger and propositioned. In this case, 82% of women indicated that they would not agree to such an offer while 74% of men indicated that they would. But unlike the previous study, this one tells us why: male proposers were perceived by women as being dangerous and unlikely to give them sexual satisfaction, whereas female proposers were perceived by men as warm and sexually skilled. When participants were asked to judge the scenario from the outside, the results were the same:

They assumed that men approaching women in such a manner were more dangerous and less sexually capable than women approaching men. On the other hand when participants were asked how they would respond to someone they were familiar with - either an acquaintance or a famous person (that second one may have skewed things a bit), the gender differences disappeared. The gender differences also disappeared when gay subjects were asked to imagine being approached by members of the same sex. Surveys of participants actual experiences showed that women accepted offers of casual sex about 40% of the time, compared with 73% for men (it’s unclear how comparable these numbers are however, since women likely get more such offers than men given the social convention of men approaching women). Again, female proposers were perceived more positively than male ones. Overall, the best predictor for whether men or women would accept an offer depended most on how they perceived the proposer’s sexual abilities, with perceived danger level also having a strong impact, and gender was found to affect both perceptions.

In other words, the current scientific evidence is not that women want casual sex less than men do, it’s that women are more cautious in accepting offers and less likely to assume that a stranger is going to give them sexual satisfaction. Which doesn’t mean that women are having less casual sex than men or desire casual sex less. After all, it takes two to tango.

Dr. Pisaster has a doctorate in biophysics, not actually anything sexy. She does however enjoy having sex, reading about sex, and talking about sex. Especially when she’s had a little whiskey.









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Comments

"After all, it takes two to tango."

Okay, I agree with your general premises, but it taking two to tango doesn't mean most women have the same amount of casual sex as most men. There may be much fewer women who have much more casual sex. One lady could be responsible for the casual sex experiences of a hells lotta dudes, whilst the rest of the fairer sex is gettin' much less.

Posted by: Robin at March 2, 2011 5:14 PM

Excellent job. Many of these studies that point out the so-called differences between men and women have some pretty significant flaws in their design. It is nice to see that someone is paying attention. Not to mention the freakin' dates. I'm pretty sure that we would hesitate to use cultural data from the 1970s to describe today for pretty much anything. That's just sloppy, Slate.

Posted by: Alarmjaguar at March 2, 2011 5:34 PM

I had quite a lot of casual sex (back in those single days) and was definitely propositioned by complete strangers (I was a cocktail waitress for cyring out loud). The answer must always have been a 'no thanks' as I remember no such sex. I more than likely laughed it off as a joke to save them the embarrassment. But, and that's a big BUT, I did more than my share of the propositioning too, and can only recall one refusal...AND he wasn't a stranger. That, and I definitely shacked up with accquaintences - with very little, uh, courtship.

So, net reuslt: yeah, Robin, perhaps I'm still that one lady responsible for the casual sex experience of a hells lotta dudes.

But, I do think though it demonstrates entirely the female safety factor. Being approached = sketchy. Approaching = in control. Sex = awesome.

Posted by: the bees knees at March 2, 2011 5:39 PM

I don't see how any study could possibly find that hetero women have as much "casual sex" as hetero men do. Most men do not fear being beaten/raped and/or killed by a woman. But it is a major concern of most, if not all women who hook up with men. The smart ones, anyway.

As odd as it sounds, I think a comparison between hetero women and gay men would be more illustrative. Both have male sexual partners and I'm guessing that gay men fear violence at the hands of sexual partners almost as much as women do.

Obviously, gay men and hetero women are not the same, so there's not gonna be a 1:1 result there, but makes more sense than comparing hetero men and hetero women and concluding, from most women's reluctance to go off and bang someone they just met, that women want "casual sex" less than men. Wanting something and getting it safely are two different things. As you've observed.

Posted by: Slash at March 2, 2011 5:40 PM

Slash.... by definition, just as many casual hetero sex acts are happening to women as to men.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at March 2, 2011 5:45 PM

I've been in discussions like this a lot, many of them rather fruitless pursuits where the guys I'm addressing aren't likely to recognize that they're reinforcing something called the "Madonna/Whore" paradigm that as A LOT to do with societal perceptions of female sexuality.

Inevitably, at some point in these less than rewarding conversations, someone will quip "Have you ever heard the one about the lock and key? A key that can open many doors is a master key. A lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock." (Locks in this case, obviously women; the keys, men.) It's at this point that I can never really continue the conversation. I have to recognize that I'm just not going to get anywhere with someone who wants to boil a complex conversation about human people down to a corny metaphor about keys and locks. Problem is, I'm one of those ornery bastards that likes to have the last word, and I'd love to have an equally stupid/irrelevant non-sequitur in my arsenal to respond back with and feel the victory of verbal emasculation. So far, I just can't come up with anything.

/cool story bro

Posted by: Amanda6 at March 2, 2011 5:52 PM

"But, I do think though it demonstrates entirely the female safety factor. Being approached = sketchy. Approaching = in control. Sex = awesome."

Hear that, ladies? APPROACH! APPROACH FOR FUCK'S SAKE!

Posted by: Robin at March 2, 2011 6:08 PM

Very nice piece. If I were still in casual sex mode these days, I'd be wishing for more women to approach me. As it is, I'll just have to regret that my casual sex days frequently lacked assertiveness coming or going.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 2, 2011 6:52 PM

Amanda6 >> Perhaps quip that locks and keys don't transmit STDs, or maybe that unlike sex they don't require anything beyond a simple insertion and single turn to function to their maximum potential.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at March 2, 2011 6:57 PM

RE ZombieScientist: "Slash.... by definition, just as many casual hetero sex acts are happening to women as to men."

The operative word here is really "casual," not "hetero." And "casual" is up for debate.

I would say that anybody (women included) who has sex with someone they've known for less than, say, 2 or 3 hours is having "casual" sex, but that doesn't mean they agree. The men might mostly agree, the women ... not so much. Many women delude themselves that the sex is more "meaningful" (whatever that concept means to them) than it is to the other person involved.

Just sayin'. Men approach sex more casually because they can afford to (absent the risk of knocking someone up and having to shell out for child support, or the risk of STDs). Women kinda can't afford to, in general. I know many women do treat it casually with no or few ill effects, but to suggest that sex is always the same for the men and women involved, that because the man regards it as casual the woman automatically does too, is silly. If we could poll every hetero couple in America who had "casual sex" in the last 24 hours, I bet we'd get a higher percentage of men who regard it as casual than women (we'd poll them separately, of course, so neither group biases the other and we can be reasonably sure they're being candid). One person's "casual" is another person's "Our eyes met across a crowded room and all of a sudden, it was like there was nobody else there but us. We just had an instant, intense physical connection."

I have something Amanda can say to the lock/key people. Just look straight at them and (without rancor) say: "That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard."

Posted by: Slash at March 2, 2011 7:33 PM

the results would be different if the subjects were say, 30-45 yr old singles who frequent bars.

my experience of college campuses (now and upwards of twenty years ago), is a heightened investment in gender politics, and a heightened fear factor of men. you can't go ten feet on a campus without seeing a poster about rape crisis, date rape, the peril of imbibing in alcoholic beverages, hysterical "statistics" of female vicitmization. And any student who takes a first year women's studies course learns that it is a rape culture and women are so subjugated that even their consent is suspect. it's a wonder any dating or sex at all happens during the college years.

ten or fifteen years later, people often perceive and feel differently.

so, it seems odd to try and learn anything about casual sex, or even sexuality in society by examining the very specific petrie dish of university.

(i'm also aware that these kinds of statements invite nothing but vitriol)

Posted by: idleprimate at March 2, 2011 7:36 PM

Women like sex??????

Posted by: Fredo at March 2, 2011 8:43 PM

Women like sex??????

Posted by: Fredo at March 2, 2011 8:43 PM

I know, Fredo - it's hard to imagine given all the complaining. I think the ongoing existence of the porn industry is proof that women who like sex are a significantly small portion of the population.

Raise a glass to those few who do.

The study does also seem to prove the old singles-bar axiom, that if you ask enough women, your odds for a "Yes" are good. 48-to-one sounds typical.
~~~

Posted by: Meander at March 2, 2011 9:00 PM

As someone who's had loads of casual sex with wankers I highly encourage nice Pajiba boys to proposition girls more often....easier said than done I suppose but I'm much more guy-like (?) by viewing refusals as not personal...just a numbers game!

Posted by: kidtiger at March 2, 2011 9:15 PM

How are we defining casual? I see that you guys are using a duration of time to define it, but I see casual sex (at least for myself) as an ability (gift and curse, yo) to emotionally detach from the guy. So I may have known the man for more than a couple hours, and we've probably had sex a couple times, but I don't want anything serious.

Posted by: That Girl at March 3, 2011 1:38 AM

and in the new pajiba universe, nobody cares. it does not stand up against charlie sheen, or oscar aftermath, of any dress a starlet might wear.

it's kind of like how movie reviews, or cinefreak lists also take a back seat to trash gossip.

site gets more popular while going down. what's that line from cabaret, the one about the money?

Posted by: idleprimate at March 3, 2011 1:46 AM

I have something Amanda can say to the lock/key people. Just look straight at them and (without rancor) say: "That is the stupidest fucking thing I've ever heard."

That probably works! :D

Posted by: Amanda6 at March 3, 2011 2:23 AM

Perhaps quip that locks and keys don't transmit STDs, or maybe that unlike sex they don't require anything beyond a simple insertion and single turn to function to their maximum potential.

Darth, you're my hero. I'm gonna print this out and memorize it.

Posted by: seed at March 3, 2011 9:14 AM

I've seen that study around a lot recently, Richard Dawkins quoted it approvingly, and others have too. It's such fucking bullshit. Little to no validity, no controls, shitty analysis, etc etc. Dr P nails it really, drawing conclusions about inclination from situations in which women have reasonable reason to fear assault and men have less is just so fucking stupid I can't even come up with any interesting or catchy ways of calling it fucking stupid.

Posted by: Ender at March 3, 2011 11:45 AM

Dr. P,

During your initial recap of these sorts of studies, I always start to come up with all sorts of holes and hiccups and problems that, prior to my actual voicing of said holes, hiccups, and problems, you deftly and almost casually bring forward, maim, and leave panting and bleeding by the wayside.

I guess what I'm saying is thanks for analyzing all the nooks and crannies.

Of the studies.

-cory

Posted by: coryo at March 3, 2011 1:55 PM

THANK YOU. I read that article last week, and it made me EXTREMELY RAGEY for a variety of reasons, but one of them was definitely that study. I mean, my FIRST THOUGHT was "of course women said no, they probably thought that dude was gonna attack or rape them," and yet people regularly quote that study without any comment/analysis/discussion, just as a "mmmyep, women, they don't like that casual sex business. End of discussion."

And don't even get me started on the rest of the article.

/rant

Posted by: GwenBear at March 3, 2011 2:20 PM

I'm with That Girl...I think that the definition of casual sex needs to be examined, in this context. I would hazard that more women engage in casual sexual relationships, either one-offs or on-going, with the 'casual' clause referring to emotional attachment or lack thereof. I don't think that many men or women explicitly request sex in their approach of a potential 'target'...it may be the implication, but one is rarely so blunt about such things if they wish to be successful. Consider:

Fella #1 - don't know him from dirt, walks up and asks to bang = dirty look/outright rejection/slap/laughter

Fella #2 - don't know him from dirt, walks up, initiates a conversation, tells a joke, has a smoke, compliments your friend, has a drink, talks about kittens = far greater likelihood of casual sexin'

Flawed study, quite obviously. I suppose that's the point being made by others more articulate, and probably less whorish, than me.

Posted by: kalafraja at March 3, 2011 6:08 PM

I've been in discussions like this a lot, many of them rather fruitless pursuits where the guys I'm addressing aren't likely to recognize that they're reinforcing something called the "Madonna/Whore" paradigm that as A LOT to do with societal perceptions of female sexuality.

Inevitably, at some point in these less than rewarding conversations, someone will quip "Have you ever heard the one about the lock and key? A key that can open many doors is a master key. A lock that can be opened by many keys is a shitty lock." (Locks in this case, obviously women; the keys, men.) It's at this point that I can never really continue the conversation. I have to recognize that I'm just not going to get anywhere with someone who wants to boil a complex conversation about human people down to a corny metaphor about keys and locks. Problem is, I'm one of those ornery bastards that likes to have the last word, and I'd love to have an equally stupid/irrelevant non-sequitur in my arsenal to respond back with and feel the victory of verbal emasculation. So far, I just can't come up with anything

Posted by: sexy intimates at March 3, 2011 11:46 PM

to be fair, there are a couple of other studies that suggest men's desire for sex is greater than that of women. for example, a study of couples in relationships (published 2011) found 46% of men and 58% of women were satisfied with the frequency of sex, BUT "dissatisfied men were overwhelmingly likely to desire sex more frequently; among dissatisfied women, only 2/3 wanted sex more frequently." Another study found that men reported more sexual desire than women (though this could be a reporting bias rather than actual increased desire). Men also use sexually explicit material more than women (perhaps also reflecting greater desire).

the argument made on Slate also doesn't hinge on whether men desire casual sex more than women, it hinges on the fact that women are less likely to engage in casual sex (perhaps due to a increased knowledge of the tradeoffs). You note that "the current scientific evidence is not that women want casual sex less than men do, it’s that women are more cautious in accepting offers and less likely to assume that a stranger is going to give them sexual satisfaction". women may want casual sex as much as men do, but they don't engage as readily which leads us back to the imbalanced "supply" and "demand" for sex

Posted by: AnTelope at April 30, 2011 11:25 PM