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As we enter the last month of the last year of the decade, you’re likely going to see a lot of Best of the Decade lists, both here and elsewhere (we’ll cap our Best of the Aughts coverage in mid-December with our Top 10 Movies of the Decade). We won’t argue that our lists are better or worse than the others, but they are our favorites, and hopefully the readership we’ve cultivated over the last six years will agree more often than not. People take their lists seriously, and the stakes feel even higher when you’re attempting to encapsulate the best of an entire decade. We expect a difference of opinion; we expect a lot of bitching; and we expect to have some pissed-off readers. But if you’ve been a reader of Pajiba for a lengthy period of time, I doubt our lists will contain too many surprises — they should consist of the same shows, movies, scenes, and moments we’ve been talking about for much of the Aughts. Anything else would be dishonest.

We kick off our Best of the Decade series with The Ten Best (American) Television Shows of the Aughts, a list that should be fairly obvious from our television coverage. Nevertheless, with an entire decade to cover and an abundance of brilliant television shows (thanks to the explosion of quality TV on pay cable and off network channels over this decade, we are living in the Golden Age of television, the Nielsen Top 20 notwithstanding), there are going to be a lot of omissions, some of them glaring. But there are only ten slots, and we can’t cram them all into the Top 10. We will, however, make excuses for the omissions of a few shows that were more difficult than others to leave off: First and foremost is “Deadwood,” an overall brilliant series that would’ve made the top ten if HBO had allowed David Milch to finish the series — as it is, the lack of resolution kept it right on the edge of the list. Another is “Lost,” which we can’t really make a determination on until we see the last season, which could prove “Lost” to be a top five show of the decade or, ultimately, a huge disappointment, depending on how they wrap it up. Finally “Breaking Bad,” which we have no excuse for leaving off our Top Ten but for the fact that there was nothing else in our list that we felt like we could remove in favor of it.

As for the other shows you might feel were unfairly slighted? That’s what ALL CAPS are for, right?


veronicamarsaughts.jpg10. Veronica Mars: If “Veronica Mars” had ended after its first season, it still would have almost been enough to last a lifetime. Of course, creator Rob Thomas went on to bottle lightning again in the second season, doubling and trebling the mysteries and their revelations until the show became jaw-dropping and mythic in the way it presented the intertwined lives of these conflicted, yearning, and complex men and women. Season Three is good on its own terms, but it falters by ditching the serialized format in favor of miniature story arcs that don’t pack the same punch as the first two years. Kristen Bell and Enrico Colantoni have dozens of perfect moments together, their chemistry one of love and honesty and genuine caring. Veronica is following in her father’s footsteps in the private investigation business, but she’s really doing her best to follow the pattern he’s laid out for her of love and support. She called her father a hero for staying when her mother split, and that’s what Veronica does in every one of her friendships: She stays. She’s the hero. She will not turn and walk away. She does her best to cut herself off from things that could hurt her, but at the end of the day, she’s still too much her father’s daughter to do anything but stand by her friends and fight for them. You know what they say about that Veronica Mars: She’s a marshmallow. — Daniel Carlson

battlestar-galactica-iso.jpg9. Battlestar Galactica: “Battlestar Galactica” is amazing precisely for what it isn’t: It isn’t formulaic, it isn’t predictable, and it sure as hell isn’t your standard science-fiction show. The final season was mired in mythology and steeped in clunky plots and bad acting, but the first three years were stellar ones, kicked off by a breathless first season in which the show could do almost no wrong, when it turned convention on its head to present a gritty, believable, and thoroughly compelling human drama about the lives and heartbreaks of the sole survivors of an alien genocide. “Battlestar Galactica” is balanced between burgeoning mythology with relatable characters and pure-fire run-and-gun storytelling, the kind of adventure show that makes you realize how much damn fun it can be to see it done right. — Daniel Carlson

firefly.jpg8. Firefly: When you boil “Firefly” down to its rawest essence, it’s an equally funny and dramatic character piece about a bunch of disparate personalities on a perpetual roadtrip. Yes, it has science fiction elements — they all live on a spaceship after all, traveling from planet to planet, scavenging and thieving and taking whatever rogue jobs they can find to get by. And yes, it’s got a lot of Western to it, from Captain Malcom “Mal” Reynolds (as old-school a cowboy as they come) to the frontier settlements on various planets, where folks still travel by horse because they’re too poor to have the fancy technology available to the elite. But what Whedon and company managed to do is not make the show about these things — rather, these elements are deftly used to service the nine characters that live on Serenity (the name of the Firefly-class ship which the show itself is named after). Frankly, if you’ve never seen “Firefly,” you’re doing yourself a disservice. It doesn’t matter if you dig on sci-fi, if you love/hate serialized shows, if you prefer chick flick-type shows, etc. Whatever you like about TV, “Firefly’s” got it. And the only problem with the show is that there absolutely isn’t enough of it. — Seth Freilich

jon-stewart.jpg7. The Daily Show With Jon Stewart: As much as Jon Stewart tries to deflect the grand accolades thrown his way, claiming his is just a cable comedy show, between 2000 and 2008, in many ways he served as a key voice for people who have nearly clawed their eyes out trying to understand the rationale — if there is any to be found — behind George Bush’s policies, or behind the platforms of the Religious Right, or of the reason why Fox News continues to exist. His show was cathartic, part of a daily healing process as a helpful tonic reminding us we aren’t alone in the world and giving us hope that maybe things could change. And while Stewart is still culturally relevant in light of an Obama presidency, he may not be relevant in the sense that he represents something bigger — a movement, a way of thinking, a group of people demanding change. But that’s a good thing. After all, thanks in small part to Jon Stewart, we have a president who can speak in complete sentences and values crazy things like the Constitution. — Sarah Carlson

30_rock_nb.jpg6. 30 Rock: “30 Rock” may be the most quotable show in the history of the TVs. They’ve yet to make a bad episode. Some are better than others but in each and every one they balance the ridiculous with the heartfelt to hilarious effect. Like every great show, it exists in a brand new world: an exaggerated reflection, fun house mirror-like, of our own. Tina Fey is fearless. Sure, she picks off the fish in their barrels with shots at Republicans and Bush and the war but she has no qualms confronting all the ways white, middle class liberals can be ineffective assholes content to feed off the tit of those they decry. I could write a tome on each and every character from Lemon on down to Grizz and Dot Com, wax poetic on the brilliant comedic usage of product placement (“Can we have our money now?”), compare and contrast the merits of “Who Dat Ninja” and “Samurai I Am Awry” and write a sonnet about Tina Fey’s Easter bonnet. “30 Rock” is that good. — Angelina Burnett

399_six_feet_un.jpg5. Six Feet Under: At its essence, “Six Feet Under” was about the different ways in which people deal with grief. The show was at its best when it focused simply on the deaths — when it used the loss of life to prove a point about living. Like no other show before or since, “Six Feet Under” confronted death head on, splintering taboos, and taking a hundred different maxims and extracting all the cliché out of them, making us appreciate what death meant without the torture of “He’s in a better place now.” In fact, in the final episode of that first season, Nate offered up the best thing I think anyone has ever said about dying: When a hysterical woman asked Nate, “Why do people die?” he paused briefly, and then offered the perfect rejoinder: “To make life important.” We each grieve in our own ways, and “Six Feet Under” brilliantly gave us a glimpse into other people’s process so that we could better understand our own. — Dustin Rowles

Friday-Night-Lights.jpg4. Friday Night Lights: A show best described as a modern-day dramatic-version of “The Wonder Years,” except instead of 1960s suburbia, it takes place in Dillon, Texas, a small Southern town steeped in religion and football. It’s “Freaks and Geeks” centered on the other side of the cafeteria: The jocks, cheerleaders, bullies, skanks and rally girls, the ones many of us — the band geeks, dorks, geeks, stoners, and outcasts — viewed superficially with equal parts envy and hatred. But “Friday Night Lights” humanizes the very people in my high school I was often incapable of humanizing myself. But more than that, “FNL” is as real-to-life as any show on television. Granted, the characters are slightly idealized, but they are real people, not just the stereotypes that we, ourselves, couldn’t look beyond when we were there. — Dustin Rowles

arrested-development-(2).jpg3. Arrested Development: While many have been close, no comedy series has ever touched the levels of “Arrested Development.” I’ve watched this show several times over, and yet I still find new things to laugh at and appreciate with each go-round. The show actually grows, and I find my perspective and appreciation changing, with repeated viewings. There are and have been other comedies with richly developed characters, but I’m not sure I can think of another comedy that is so layered and filled with over-the-top, farcical characters that are treated with the respect they are in “AD.” Smart show, funny show, brilliant show. — Seth Freilich

WestWing_thumb.jpg2. The West Wing: No matter what he does with the rest of his career, Aaron Sorkin will be known as the man who created “The West Wing” and shepherded it through its first four years, years of towering faith and moving drama and contentious political discourse, and that is no small thing. In fact, while the series’ first four seasons are light-years beyond its final three in intelligence, structure, and plain old storytelling, subdividing those four years into rankings of better or worse is almost impossible. Each season offers something different and powerful, and together those four years — those 89 hours of television — add up to something more wonderful than maybe even Sorkin had a right to expect.”The West Wing” was full of emotional resonance, pitch-perfect writing, and an unabashed sense of hope that the hearts of men and women can lift American society and its government from its typical vulgarity and elevate it to something like poetry. — Daniel Carlson

wire.jpg1. The Wire: “The Wire,” addresses various elements of the downfall of America’s Rust Belt inner cities — from the political gamesmanship, to the unmourned deterioration of a school system hanging on by its fingernails, to the petty-minded complicity of the media in the addled, bovine inertia of the public view of poverty and the drug trade. Not content to sound the alarm bell over the utter failure of traditional policing and incarceration in the face of poverty and the drug trade, “The Wire” undertook an epic exploration of the failures of our society to create a viable environment where people have desirable choices other than crime.The first step off the easy path, the leap from the well-worn track … that is the hard step. The second and third steps are critical, even admirable, but they cannot exist without the fundamental decision to abandon rutted convenience. For television — for narrative as an art — “The Wire” represents a New Way, a 90-degree change in course that straightened the line. — Ted Boynton


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Comments

What? No "Dog, The Bounty Hunter."

Posted by: BWeaves at December 1, 2009 3:06 PM

This is only the ninth year of the decade.

It's got a 9 in it.

You KNOW I'm right.

Posted by: Jay at December 1, 2009 3:07 PM

I agree with Jay.

Posted by: Alexandra at December 1, 2009 3:09 PM

30 Rock? I can not see what anyone really finds funny about this show. Tracey Morgan can get me to giggle here and there, but everyone else seems so excruciatingly forced. Everyone is trying to out ham everyone else, in a charm tug of war that is painful, and boring.

Otherwise I could hardly argue with the list at all.

Posted by: Brian at December 1, 2009 3:11 PM

between 2000 and 2008, in many ways he served as a key voice for people who have nearly clawed their eyes out trying to understand the rationale

You see, that's not what makes Jon great at all. It takes zero intelligence to mock an administration as terrible as the Bush era, hell, I watched piece of shit TV shows like Lil' Bush purely because of my hatred of the man. Sure, the show's probably aged as well as milk in the sun, but I watched it nonetheless because of George fucking Bush.

What makes Jon Stewart great is his ability to stay relevant and funny in an era without an easily mockable president. Countless hack satirists have fallen by the wayside since Obama, and now, only the cream of the crop remain. That's what make's Jon Stewart great.

You're not a good shot when you hit a big target, you're a good shot when you hit small, moving ones.

Posted by: George at December 1, 2009 3:13 PM

I like the "The Daily Show," but I'd leave it off this list because Stewart wants to have it both ways. He'll take on twinks like Doug Feith or Tucker Carlson when they're in studio, but never challenge his good buddy John McCain. He'll accuse the Bush Administration of everything short of the Lincoln Assassination, then play slap 'n' tickle with Lynn Cheney. Call him on his bullshit and he hides behind, "We're just a comedy show."

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at December 1, 2009 3:14 PM

What no The Shield, Californiacation or Office (UK version)? Your judges should be forced to sit through Judge Judy and Cheaters reruns for penance!

Posted by: Sleaze at December 1, 2009 3:15 PM

Where's The Sopranos? How quickly we forget.

Posted by: Will at December 1, 2009 3:16 PM

I'd put 'dead like me' in there, but that would mostly just bump the list up to 11, as these are all great choices.

Posted by: twig at December 1, 2009 3:17 PM

I know Sports Night was last decade, but it will always be my favorite of Sorkin's brain babies. Every single episode makes me laugh and tear up, respectively.

SHOE MONEY TONIGHT!

Posted by: Patty O'Green at December 1, 2009 3:18 PM

Also, the omission of Lost is criminal. Even if you have a dreadful finale (I'm looking at you, Seinfeld) you can still be an excellent show, even when the end is as important as in Lost. I believe they'll deliver.

Plus, even though you got a lot of good picks, many of the greatest shows in TV history are off, South Park, The Office, Heroes...

BWAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

Shove it up your ass, Tim Kring.

Posted by: George at December 1, 2009 3:19 PM

This list = Meh. (My top 10 would be dramatically different)

Finally got to catch the first couple episodes of season 4 of Friday Night Lights though... glorious.

Side note: fuck you Direct TV, thank you Torrents!

Posted by: Colin at December 1, 2009 3:20 PM

LOST LOST LOST LOST LOST

...

where's Lost?

Posted by: CT at December 1, 2009 3:20 PM

Can not argue much with that list. I never really liked Arrested Development much so I would have plugged Deadwood in there. But thats a small quible.

But I have to say I wept a little to see the expansion of the welfare state, class warfare and socialism equated to "and values crazy things like the Constitution".

Posted by: EricD at December 1, 2009 3:20 PM

I have no criticisms of the above list.

I believe this is a first.

Bask in my approval.

Posted by: Jerce at December 1, 2009 3:20 PM

Sleaze, I love Californication as much as the next clever perv, but it doesn't belong on this list. But then again, neither does 30 Rock, IMHO.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at December 1, 2009 3:21 PM

Pfft. I worshiped 30 Rock in it's second season. After that it just got weird, and now it's Tina Fey's experiment in seeing how wacky she can get while still getting Emmy's. It's stopped being "heartfelt" after Floyd left, and the platonic Jack-Liz thing hasn't carried the weight.

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at December 1, 2009 3:23 PM

30 Rock over Breaking Bad????

Wait, my head is exploding. Did you hear it? Did you see the flames? It's all over my fucking keyboard you loons!

Posted by: Cindy at December 1, 2009 3:24 PM

Jay, you know the year 2000 counts as a year in this decade, right?

Guys (and gals), great list. I'd love to throw up, however, an honorable mention for The Venture Bros. Being a animated show aired during a small network's niche post-primetime timeslot, I think it has consistently been funny, smart, and damn well written. The mythology of the show keeps getting deeper and more complex without ever collapsing into parody like the last season of B-star. I wouldn't say that it is a glaring exclusion from this list, as this list is in a different and understandable direction, but I would recommend that everyone in Pajibaland take this holiday break to watch the series.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at December 1, 2009 3:24 PM

Jay, that was my first thought as well. But then I saw that shit about Breaking Bad and my fucking head exploded.

Posted by: Cindy at December 1, 2009 3:25 PM

I poop on about half of this list.

Plus, exploding head guts.

Posted by: Cindy at December 1, 2009 3:26 PM

No Mad Men?

Posted by: Watson at December 1, 2009 3:27 PM

Excuse me? Where is Lost? And Veronica Mars should have been much higher. Definitely better than 30 Rock or Firefly by far.

Posted by: Austin asking for trouble at December 1, 2009 3:28 PM

I know I'm vomiting comments, but I feel like when my son puts his hands over his ears and yells, "I can't see! I can't see!"

Posted by: Cindy at December 1, 2009 3:28 PM

I don't think Pajiba and I will ever agree when it comes to television. I only agree with 3 out of 10 in this list, and they're pretty obvious choices (30 Rock, Daily Show and West Wing). Otherwise I think everything on the list is either overrated, boring or I've just never watched it from lack of interest. Also, fuck Joss Whedon.

Posted by: figgy at December 1, 2009 3:28 PM

Brian i bet your favorite show is 2 1/2 Men

Posted by: robin at December 1, 2009 3:30 PM

I have all of the seasons of The Wire from my parents sitting on my shelf. I watched the first two episodes and decided that I wasn't going to use another hour on another crime procedural.

Everybody seems to think I'm crazy. I don't mind, I think they're lazy.

(switch intentional)

Posted by: Mr. Tusks at December 1, 2009 3:32 PM

Wow, I've literally never watched ANY of these shows except the Daily Show. I mean, not one episode. And I watch at least 3 hours of TV a day!

I submit:
Top Chef
Dirty Jobs
Futurama
Rome
The Sopranos
Mythbusters
Sex and the City
Flight of the Conchords
South Park

Posted by: AM at December 1, 2009 3:32 PM

Jay and Alexandra: ah yes, the dumb is strong in these two.... *nods gravely, Yoda-style*

Can't argue with the list at all - mostly because I've only seen five of them! (Though the complete 'Wire' is sitting on my dvd shelf, taunting me with my lack of free time).

Sleaze, the UK Office is not there because it's the ten best American shows. Else I'd have cut a bitch, too.

Posted by: tarn at December 1, 2009 3:32 PM

Jay, you know the year 2000 counts as a year in this decade, right?

Says who? You? It was the last year of the twentieth century. Ya don't start countin with zero after all!

Posted by: Jay at December 1, 2009 3:33 PM

It's a Top Ten, guys. For a whole decade. Some of your favorites will be left off. Yeesh.

SRSLY THO WHERE IS ALAIS OH MY GODDDD SO MUCH BETTERZ THAN STUUPD THE WIRE.

Posted by: whatBENwatches at December 1, 2009 3:33 PM

*raises hand timidly*

If . . if 8 of these are already in the Guide for the Best 20/20 . . . is there really a point?

Posted by: Lauren at December 1, 2009 3:33 PM

the dumb is strong in these two


Ooooh, name-calling. Please.

Posted by: Jay at December 1, 2009 3:35 PM

Is it not wonderful to have so much to argue about with nary a mention of series of dubious merit. (except South Park eff those libertarian douchebags).

Posted by: jaf at December 1, 2009 3:37 PM

Uhm, I guess Deadwood was too badass for this list (never saw The Wire)!

Posted by: mudflap at December 1, 2009 3:39 PM

Agree with George on TDS- Stewart was one of the first mainstream comics to draw lines between the shit Bush says and some of the shit Obama is now saying (leaving Iraq any quicker? Amping up Afghanistan? Bailing out the banks?). He was also one of the few at all to call bullshit on Isreal's one way "war" in Palestine at the star of the year and scarcely anyone touched that. There are times when he softcocks it as Tracer says, but on the whole he shoots more accurately than 99% of the so-called "serious media". And for as long as there is Fox News, there will always be a target rich environment, the crazy that gave birth to Palin didn't go away, it just got crazier.

As for the rest- it's fascinating to rewatch BSG again from the start, knowing the eventual fates of the characters (except Kara's which imo was a monumental fuckup). So many characters entire arcs can be viewed in a different light.

Not a bad a list at all, though
-much as it pains me, I'm not sure I would include Firefly given that it barely ran a season
-Would have found space for Deadwood,
-30 Rock: Tried it, but meh
-Although it sagged a little in the middle, the West Wing held a remarkable standard right up to the end, even as it delved increasingly into political fantasy

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 3:43 PM

Re. Firefly...if no one sees a show, does it really exist?

Posted by: James S at December 1, 2009 3:43 PM

i'm with figgy...pajiba and i just disagree on good tv (except for the daily show-love!) but what about dexter and the sopranos?
i would also have included lost-regardless of the finale-it's been captivatingly awesome tv...and america's next top model-fa!

Posted by: gem at December 1, 2009 3:44 PM

With all due respect, this list sucks donkey cock.

Posted by: Jason at December 1, 2009 3:49 PM

@Jay: You may find this amusing:

http://aroundcny.com/technofile/texts/decademath.htm

Posted by: Theresa at December 1, 2009 3:49 PM

What a schmuck.

But after all, I don't care about the list...I gotta argue about something in an argument column!

Posted by: Jay at December 1, 2009 3:54 PM

So much left out! Sopranos, Simpsons, Sunny in Phila, The Office, Extras, Lost--I agree with Jason about the donkey cock!

This list is corrupt!

Posted by: Bd at December 1, 2009 3:55 PM

The day The Daily Show is off the air is the day I throw out my TV.

Posted by: D-Day at December 1, 2009 3:56 PM

Did anybody else hate just about every character on Six Feet Under? I think the only ones I remember feeling any emotional attachment to were David and Keith. And I just kinda felt bad for Claire. And I despised Brenda and Nate. Of course I only watched season 1, but the consensus seemed to be that the show went downhill after that.

P.S. Firefly is overrated and 30 Rock is a really great show but I think The Sopranos would be a better fit. Fuck everyone, that ending was perfect. Tony gave up the business and became an accountant in Long Island. The End.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at December 1, 2009 3:57 PM

Yeah...I'm kinda with Lauren there.

Posted by: figgy at December 1, 2009 3:58 PM

Firefly definitely belongs on the list. I have seen every episode at least 3-4 times. In fact, I got the blu-ray last week and fired up the first episode for old times sake and it still rings as true today as it did the first time I saw it. It's pure awesome.

I'd include "Lost" over "The West Wing." I never got into "West Wing".

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 1, 2009 3:59 PM

Good list but where is Deadwood and The Sopranos, Mad Men, or Chappelle's Show?

I think Veronica Mars should have been #7. Why is Thirty Rock even on the list? Sorry, it's funny but not THAT funny. I never could get into Lost or the American version of The Office, it pales in comparison to the original, so I can understand why they did not make the list.

But overall you did a good job.

Posted by: allheavens at December 1, 2009 4:02 PM

I'm personally insulted that Veronica Mars is up there and not Scrubs. What the hell, people?!

A la mierda!

Posted by: figgy at December 1, 2009 4:02 PM

What the hell?! Did anyone here see the new Knight Rider? Talk about a show cut down in it's prime... Jesus, who the hell's mixing the Kool-Aid 'round these parts?

THE SHOW HAD A FUCKING TALKING GODDAM CAR IN IT - WHAT ELSE IS THERE?!

I'll be spending the rest of my afternoon packing all reminders of Pajiba in a box, which I'll leave out at the end of the driveway. Please leave the spare key in the mailbox.

Posted by: Skitz at December 1, 2009 4:04 PM

I think these are all fantastic choices, but you leave out two very important genres completely-- nonfiction and children's shows.

I would argue that Avatar: The Last Airbender belongs on this list as does shows like Planet Earth, both of which push the boundaries of documentary and kid's entertainment.

By focusing only on shows geared towards adults and fictional series, you ignore some of the best programming out there. Just sayin'.

Posted by: penelope at December 1, 2009 4:06 PM

Rome.

Rome. Rome. Rome. Rome. Rome. ROME!!!!!

I refuse to take any list of best TV shows seriously without even an honorable mention of Rome.

I would include Chappelle's Show as well. It used some of the raw subject matter covered in The Wire to create the funniest moments in television history.

And Firefly??? You said in your intro that not getting a conclusion ommitted Deadwood. That doesn't apply to Firefly because of . . . Serenity? Lame. This coming from someone who loved the show. All 3.8 episodes.

Posted by: Kballs at December 1, 2009 4:06 PM

mudflap

You're damn right it is. Deadwood is amazing, and I can only assume it's not on this list because not enough people have seen it. It's all right though. Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair or fucking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man...and give some back.

Posted by: Kevin Longrie at December 1, 2009 4:07 PM

Excellent, excellent list. I'd swap Six Feet Under with Arrested Developement at numbers three and five, respectively, but West Wing/The Wire are definitely two and one (or one and two.)

Only glaring omission that I can see is Mad Men. Also.... House? Sure, House.

Though i'm not sure what you'd bump to make room for them. Gun to my head, i'd get rid of Firefly, Veronica Mars and Friday Night Lights.

I also want to say Dexter but I know it doesn't quite make the cut.

Posted by: Martin at December 1, 2009 4:10 PM

Doctor Who > Battlestar Galactica

(BG was a show whose appeal for me was largely based on the unfolding mysteries, so the lazy deus ex machina resolution in the finale retroactively tainted a lot of the show)

Posted by: Jesse M. at December 1, 2009 4:10 PM

Man, TV has long been a whipping boy for our culture in decline but it is pretty shocking how much high quality programming we have seen in the last decade. Try to do a list like this for the 70s, 80s, or even 90s and you will be stretching to fill it. Here you have a list nearly beyond reproach except for the fact that you left about 12 shows off your list of 10 best.

Posted by: Yossarian at December 1, 2009 4:12 PM

So much hate. I thought the list was good enough. Although Venture Brothers really deserves something. Maybe an honorable mention.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at December 1, 2009 4:14 PM

Breaking Bad does deserve to be on the list but I'm not sure what I would remove either, maybe 6 Feet Under. It's like you decided to copy my DVD shelf. Everytime I start to watch Deadwood I just get depressed knowing it doesn't have a real ending. Then again I just get depressed when I think about watching the Battlestar Galatica finale again, seriously?

Posted by: Ashley at December 1, 2009 4:15 PM

Wow, Martin, I didn't even think about House missing! I know many would argue it, but I adore it and it would definitely be on my list.

You hear that, Hugh? I want you on mine.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at December 1, 2009 4:16 PM

I rescind my nomination of House.

But I must insist that Sopranos, Deadwood and Mad Men be included. Three of the best television dramas EVER, let alone this decade. Bump Firefly, Veronica Mars and 30 Rock (Great shows, but over those three?)

Also, to whoever mentioned them, neither Rome nor the UK Office (obviously) were American shows, which this list is relegated to.

Posted by: Martin at December 1, 2009 4:17 PM

Jay,
sorry about the namecalling, I'm just in a silly mood tonight... ;-)
But, his snarky attitude aside, that guy in the link has a point about why it doesn't make sense to non-math-heads to say the century turned in 2001. To me, it's logical that the century turned when the years stopped being 19-something and started being 20-something. And ok, I may be just a dumb non-mathematician, but I just don't see the logic of saying it turned a year later.

Posted by: tarn at December 1, 2009 4:20 PM

Okay, I renominate House.

So-

IN: Mad Men, Sopranos, Deadwood, House
OUT: Firefly, Veronica Mars, Friday Night Lights, 30 Rock.

Posted by: Martin at December 1, 2009 4:22 PM

Veronica Mars? are you fucking kidding me?


Where's American Dad?

you assclown

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 1, 2009 4:23 PM

I want someone to do a poll of the regulars on Pajiba (about 20-30 of us) because I want to know who keeps voting for the Sci-Fi/Fantasy shows for every list. I've said before I can't stand that genre and I'll stand alone if I have to, but I want to see a concrete percentage of what I'm up against. That includes Firefly, Battlestar, Angel, Buffy, and anything medieval or with vampires.

I know I'll get trash thrown at me but the regular shows I watch (although some on your list I've seen but never followed religiously) are Big Love, Sopranos, Nip/Tuck, Family Guy and Rescue Me.

Posted by: scorzi at December 1, 2009 4:23 PM

Jay - I start counting at 0, but that could just be because I do computer programing, computers run on 0s and 1s!

Posted by: Arib at December 1, 2009 4:25 PM

I agree with those saying this was somewhat pointless. Did you guys just read the AV Club's Aught rundowns and go, "Wait! Why aren't WE doing this??"

Posted by: The Judge at December 1, 2009 4:26 PM

So wait...1990 was the last year of the 80s????

As for the list, I never cared for some of the shows there, but overall a good list. And The Wire as #1 cannot be argued with or debated.

No, no, don't even try. It's not worth the effort.

Posted by: Fredo at December 1, 2009 4:26 PM

I want someone to do a poll of the regulars on Pajiba (about 20-30 of us) because I want to know who keeps voting for the Sci-Fi/Fantasy shows for every list.

Posted by: scorzi at December 1, 2009 4:23 PM

Dude, we are legion.

This our time. It's our time down here.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 1, 2009 4:27 PM

I've been debating whether or not to say anything...but I don't really have anything else to do so I just want to acknowledge that EricD just totally tried to start some political shit-talking but NO ONE went for it.

It sort of warmed my heart that we could all focus on the fact that there is clearly no consensus on TV awesomeness rather than fall into the all too obvious troll trap.

Now...everyone just move along and keep arguing about TV...it's so cute!!!!

Posted by: arr matey at December 1, 2009 4:30 PM

Daily Show definitely has to be up there. However, the moment that does it for me with TDS was the first show they did after Princess Diana died in 1997. Only mention they made of it was something to the effect of --
"In other news, the Royals suffered great losses this past weekend, dropping 2 games to division rival St. Louis, 9-7 and 5-4."

Posted by: Jim Doggie at December 1, 2009 4:30 PM

Posted by: Yossarian at December 1, 2009 4:12 PM

What he said. Times two.

I really stopped caring about these attempts at the codification of Pajiba's tastes, because it always ends the same way: everybody goes on and on about how their favorite shows got left off, completely drowning each other out. Really, the amazing thing is how much TV has improved in general, even though we did have to put up with the Rise of Pseudo-Reality TV to get it.

The only thing I get from these things is a list of shows I want to check out, based purely on the passion of the fans.

Although some love for Avatar wouldn't have hurt.

/making his way through The Wire Season 1 at the moment

Posted by: Smoking Crater (formerly Vermillion) at December 1, 2009 4:30 PM

I watched a few episodes of Carnivale the other night. I wouldn't add it to this list at all.

And scorzi I forgot about Big Love. That should be added to the list and Friday Night Fucking Lights can be taken off and I base that statement entirely on the movie of the same name. Fuck High School football movie TV shows.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at December 1, 2009 4:30 PM

Yeah, this list is by the Pajiba Staff, not commenters. I wonder how a list based on commenters would work.

Dustin, I volunteer to count the votes if you want to do a "nominate only your top 5" type thing. Because I have a strong feeling the two lists would look very different.

Posted by: figgy at December 1, 2009 4:31 PM

Does everyone remember back in December of 1999? All the dizzy assholes were walking around going, "Its the new Millenium, blah blah blah!" And all the self-righeous assholes were walking around going, "The new millenium isn't until next year in 2001, blah blah blah!"

*sigh* Each and every one of you people was at least one of these asshole types. Some of you probably switched halfway, simultaneously inhabiting both dizzy and self-righteous personas.

That being said, it IS the end of a decade, just as it was the end of a millenium in both 2000 and 2001. Allow me to explain.

A decade is a measurement of ten years. Sometimes this can be a measurement of time such as it was in the last decade, starting in 2000 and ending in 2009 -- AKA "The Aughts." Sometimes a decade can start in 1993 and end in 2002. When your child turns 10, you can proudly proclaim to everyone around that your child has, "been alive for a decade." Today was the end of a decade that began 10 years ago. Tommorow will be the end of a decade that began 9 years and 364 days ago.

So there. Jay. And Theresa. Douche-bags.

Posted by: superasente at December 1, 2009 4:33 PM

@ scorzi: I'm with you, dude or dudette (as the case may be) but there's no point in fighting the tide. The nerds run this asylum.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at December 1, 2009 4:35 PM

I regret calling you douche-bags and I apologize.

Posted by: superasente at December 1, 2009 4:36 PM

Seriously, take off Veronica Mars and Firefly. Both of them are cult hits that did little to affect how stories are told through the medium of TV. In their place you should have this show (and the reason for it):

The Shield- NYPD Blue gets a lot of credit for changing the way we view police dramas by humanizing the police. At the end of the day however, the cops of NYPD Blue are going to do the right thing, mostly. The Shield however, with the bald-headed bull known as Vic Mackey, you are asked to do the unthinkable from the very first episode: root for the corrupt cop. Forrest Whitaker said in an interview once that he would meet angry fans on the street because his character was going after the corrupt cops who formed the main group. Watching Mackey slowly lose everything over the course of the series is Shakespearean in scope and action. Not to mention to take on racial politics in L.A. Oh and did I forget to mention having the cojones to show one of their lead male characters (a dominant male figure of authority) getting orally-raped by a street thug. I'll take that level of realism and emotional complexity (I say again, you're rooting for essentially the villain) any day over Veronica Mars.

As for the replacement for Firefly, I leave that up to you good followers of the Godtopus. I'm just sick to death of people who think that Firefly was some misunderstood masterpiece. It wasn't, move on with your life, and get some really good science fiction, like Battlestar Galactica or Babylon 5.

Posted by: bignick at December 1, 2009 4:36 PM

As long as The Wire is #1 I don't really care what else is on there.

(though thank you for not including Lost)

Posted by: becks at December 1, 2009 4:36 PM

OK, here's the thing. If Firefly had been left off, many of us (myself included) would have been turning green, sprouting veins, and busting out of our shirts (a la the Hulk, not Christina Hendricks). But with it included, all the people who haven't seen it bitch. Let's move on, people. We are a community that likes Firefly. The US is a country that chants obnoxiously at sporting events. The Earth is a planet with a military-industrial complex. There are characteristics of every group of people that don't apply to every member, or even to the majority of members. Life goes on.

That said, Seth - I know it's the same blurb that was used for the 20/20 guide, but your little Firefly paragraph there is beautiful. It makes me tear up. And a big HELL YES to the Daily Show!

Posted by: esme at December 1, 2009 4:42 PM

I submit:

Carnivale
Dead Like Me
Deadwood
Dexter
Queer as Folk
Mad Men
Rome
Six Feet Under
The Sopranos

Posted by: DorrynGrey at December 1, 2009 4:42 PM

Scorzi, YES! I am in agreement with you. Also, Rescue Me is one of my favorite shows. I am starting to think that none of The Overlords are watching it though. I have tried starting a revolution on here trying to get a re-cap article written on it, becuase I love the re-caps on this site, to no avail.

Posted by: ashes at December 1, 2009 4:45 PM

Sons of Anarchy - Yep it's new. Yep it's deserving.
The Shield - Fuck The West Wing
Lost - Others have bashed Joss Whedon and said Firefly fans need to move on. I feel the EXACT same about FNL. LOST is far more deserving.
The Office - over 30 Rock any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

Posted by: TylerDFC at December 1, 2009 4:47 PM

Props for leaving Sopranos and Mad Men off this list.

Would have been pretty surprised to see The Shield left off even a Top 5 list, though. Also, enough quality Buffy existed in this decade for it to have made my own list.

Generally very respectable, as expected.

Posted by: trippdup at December 1, 2009 4:47 PM

Deadwood fans I agree, and furthermore I call shenanigans! Puff to your Firefly, which while it is an awesome show I ask for realz? better than Deadwood? Instead of studying/writing my final report on the British Poor, I’m currently re-watching all the episodes (only three more to go before the series finale). I’ve seen these episodes at least three or four times previously, but still I cry and laugh with the characters. I rewind and put on subtitles so I can get the entire fucking ambiance of the story. I literally screamed at the TV during the great clash of titans found in season three, although I had probably watched this episode more than any other. Yes, dear list makers of Pajiba, I put you on notice, so please don’t make me go Dan Dorrity on you.

I mean for God’s sakes, think of Richardson!

Posted by: Jasper Buckleman at December 1, 2009 4:48 PM

Each and every one of you people was at least one of these asshole types.

Not me. I was too busy working on my then-employer's systems to make sure they didn't all fall in a heap due to the supposed 'Millennium Bug'. I don't recall being particularly interested in it, except for laughing at the tabloid and TV overkill. And anticipating the bonus I'd get for working all those hours, of course! Dizzy assholeness was not part of the job, though.

Posted by: tarn at December 1, 2009 4:49 PM

I understand why Rome didn't make the list, but it still hurts.

Rome is why I didn't fail Ancient Mediterranean Civilizations. Rome is how I trick people into thinking I'm smart. Rome is why I ignored my fear of rejection and auditioned for Julius Caesar last year, got cast (against all odds) and met amazing people who became roommates and friends. Rome is why I can do a kick-ass English accent. Rome is why I'm working on a novel right now. Rome got me addicted to fucking Grey's Anatomy. Yes, you read that right: I put up with shoot-me-in-the-head writing just so I can get my weekly dose of Kevin McKidd angst.

Hm... yes, so, in conclusion, I like Rome.

Posted by: Ling at December 1, 2009 4:51 PM

Alright, you get a pass on Doctor Who cause you did qualify this as "American" shows.

But I'm calling bullshit on Firefly. It is one of my very favorite shows of all time and I could hardly love it more, but it is not top ten of the decade by any stretch of the imagination. We all get so caught up in the glittering potential and Serenity that we forget it was a really uneven show. I'm only not arguing for Angel, if we neeeeeeed Whedon up there, because it started at the very end of '99.

And I know it had a few limp seasons in the middle, but excluding Scrubs is like saying I didn't grow up. And I can promise you that during that show's run I got hair in all the right places.

Still, not bad overall.

Posted by: coryo at December 1, 2009 4:53 PM

While technically the first decade of the 21st century is 2001 through 2010, the "aughts" are 2000 through 2009 because the third digit is a zero. 2010 - 2019 with be the "teens" and 2020 -2029 will be the "twenties," etc. etc.

My person favorite was a brochure for a software company that advertised, "We're the number one software company for almost a tenth of a decade!"

Posted by: BWeaves at December 1, 2009 4:53 PM

Um, Lost rocks my face, and even though part of my soul lives on the Serenity with Mal and the gang, it can't be on the list. It's incomplete and did not get to see it's full potential. You gotta put Lost in there for that one.

And 30 Rock is a great show, but I don't think it's as eminently quotable as the Chapelle Show. That was a program they pretty much changed the playing field. And talk about eminently quotable. People even quoted the "Ah'm rich, beeatch!" that spoke over the production company credits. I would swap that one out.

I applaud you for leaving the Sopranos off the list. Just because everybody watched it doesn't make it great. And with all the Scrubs love around here, where's the love now? Playing Top Ten air guitar at number eleven, that's where.

Posted by: professor_love at December 1, 2009 4:54 PM

Sniff, the Daily Show, Jon Stewart's comments after 9/11 were so important to me. "We won't get to make fun of Bush for a while, but don't worry this will pass and we will again." From 2001-2004 the Daily Show was the lone voice of sanity on television, I'll never forget it. Sarah Carlson's comment is lovely as well.

Posted by: Mebe at December 1, 2009 4:58 PM

I didn't watch network tv until it was obviously better than it had been in the 1990s, so I missed some of the shows on the list, but I don't remember anyone raving to me about how great Veronica Mars is, and no one has told me I simply have to see Friday Night Lights. I sure remember hearing that about the Sopranos, which challenges The Wire for the best show I've ever seen.

Posted by: Brenton at December 1, 2009 5:04 PM

To me, it's logical that the century turned when the years stopped being 19-something and started being 20-something. And ok, I may be just a dumb non-mathematician, but I just don't see the logic of saying it turned a year later.

Posted by: tarn at December 1, 2009 4:20 PM

Think of the first year as year One. At the end of that first year, one year had passed. At the end of the third year, three years had passed.
At the end of the thousandth year, one thousand years had passed, completing a millenium. A new one started with One Thousand and One.

As for the list...

It pains me to not see Deadwood on there. I get that you were hesistant to include it, as it lacked a conclusion, but someone raised the very good point that Firefly got to be on there.
I rewatched Deadwood recently, and I think it has more of a conclusion than people give it credit for; the Bad Guy wins. Not a happy ending, but there it is.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at December 1, 2009 5:08 PM

I disagree with your opinions by citing my own opinions!

The interchangeability (suck on that auto spell check!) of our list arguments always reminds me of:
"I'm so adjective I could verb nouns!"

I am also abstaining from the decade math argument lest I start talking about Gregorian calendar math and ceiling/floor functions.

Posted by: branded at December 1, 2009 5:09 PM

Dude, we are legion.
This our time. It's our time down here.
Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 1, 2009 4:27 PM
--------------------------------------------------
It's our time down here We all float down here. Beep beep!

*Offers Scorzi a Serenity-shaped balloon*

Posted by: Lauren at December 1, 2009 5:13 PM

What Yossarian said. You could easily extend the list to top 20 and still omit plenty of quality. Dexter's first two seasons were as compelling as any I have seen (haven't seen the others yet), the rebirth of Dr Who has been stunning and if there were a mini series category, +1 Children of Earth and Jeckyl. Extending the list might have muted some of the argument, but given the quality of output in the last decade, would that be a bad thing? There has been a lot worth celebrating.

Hollywood's film output over the last decade looks to have been born of a committee, while the real creative talent seems to have shifted into tv. And why not? Most of the dramas listed here and in comments have the page-turning quality of a good book, smart comedies can develop gags over multiple episodes (eg Arrested Development). Why compress a story into two hours when you can develop richly detailed characters and long story arcs over 18-20 serialised hours.

One more thing on BSG: [POSSIBLE SPOILERS]
I didn't dig the deus ex machina finale much, but then "God's hand" was in there from season 1 so it was hardly a surprise to see there in the ending. It would have been better if the human characters played a more active role in their destiny but, meh.

The wider point about BSG is that it did what good sci fi does: use a fantasy setting to touch on bunch contemporary issues- politics, war, the price of survival etc. How many other tv shows during the last 8 years credibly put you inside the minds of an insurgency? It was regularly punctuated by some of the best cliffhangers on tv, it's pace only sagging on the few occaisons it took it's eye off the central premise. It stumbled while finding a way to exit the stage but for mine, one questionable hour didn't ruin the 70+ that preceded it. BSG was about the journey, not the destination.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 5:22 PM

Daniel Hall, while it shows the fact that I'm totally lurking this thread before starting again on work, I have to totally agree with you about Deadwood's conclusion. I was literally just telling someone the other day that the conclusion sucks but it still goes along with a theme of the series, that in Deadwood life isn't fair.

Posted by: Jasper Buckleman at December 1, 2009 5:27 PM

Whats up with all the Firefly hate? If anything it should be HIGHER on the list.
Also Buffy. Hello?!

Posted by: Fi at December 1, 2009 5:28 PM

(Laughs)

Okay Firefly/Serenity people, I get it, you guys like the shows!

It just makes me feel like I've seen eight million versions of the same thing for the past ten years--Battlestar Galactica, Star Trek, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Angel, Buffy, Firefly, Serenity, Stargate, Xena....how many times can we travel through space, fight a medieval war or battle good vs. evil with vampires?

It's like my roommate in college. She did roleplaying and larping, and I really wanted to be supportive, so when she explained the rules and how it worked all I could say was "So you guys are doing competitive story-telling?!"

Trust me, I have an imagination, I LOVE to escape reality; but for me the most fascinating people/events/things are the bizarre that are already here--serial killers, cults, polygamy, the mob, the human body, etc. Give me Intervention or an A & E story about a mom drowning her children or a man with a tree for a hand any day over some creature from outer space!

Posted by: scorzi at December 1, 2009 5:28 PM

Firefly over The Sopranos?!?!

Veronica Mars over The Office?!?!


May God have mercy on your black soul.

Posted by: ChetLemon at December 1, 2009 5:32 PM

I haven't seen The West Wing but soon I hope I will. Anyway, great list, tough I disagree only with the lack of The Office (British or American versions)

Posted by: Radlum at December 1, 2009 5:34 PM

The more I think about it, the more I'm disturbed by this list..

OH MY GOD! this list touched me inappropriately

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at December 1, 2009 5:35 PM

Firefly over The Sopranos?!?!

May God have mercy on your black soul.

Posted by: ChetLemon at December 1, 2009 5:32 PM

The Sopranos would not have been as "amazing" had it not been on HBO, and could say FUCK every 3 minutes. Lazy story telling.

Firefly was on FOX...FOX and it managed to be genius. Great story telling.

Posted by: Fi at December 1, 2009 5:39 PM

Whats up with all the Firefly hate? If anything it should be HIGHER on the list.
Also Buffy. Hello?!

Posted by: Fi at December 1, 2009 5:28 PM

Sadly, as much as I love Buffy, it's glory days ended before 2000. If this list were about the best television shows of the 90's, Buffy would be there. Alas, it is not.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 1, 2009 5:43 PM

Ok so I'm new to Pajiba, but I've agreed with the majority of the reviews I've read on here. However, this list has shocked and appalled me.

First off, I have a HUGE problem with naming shows that got canned quickly in the Top Ten of the decade. Why? Because television is all about durability (unless you have a mapped out end like Avatar: The Last Airbender) which btw...why the hell isn't that on this list?

It's simple math here people. I can give you 5 shows off the top of my head that had GREAT, FANTASTIC first seasons and then became either bland, stupid, or awful:

24
Heroes
Dark Angel
Prison Break
House

Firefly, (which I don't even think their one season was as good as any of these shows first season not to mention AMAZING shows like LOST, The Office, It's Always Sunny, Sopranos) has absolutely no business being on this top ten shows of the decade list, and neither does Veronica Mars and...though it really REALLY pains me to say it...Arrested Development.

The truth is, you can't in good faith say shows like LOST, The Office, or 24 shouldn't be on here because you don't like their latter seasons.

I mean, for goodness sakes, The Office revolutionized the way we look at new sitcoms (i.e. Modern Family, Parks and Recreations)

Blah.

Posted by: Littlejon2001 at December 1, 2009 5:46 PM

Although it sagged a little in the middle, the West Wing held a remarkable standard right up to the end, even as it delved increasingly into political fantasy.


An unknown charismatic minority Senator comes out of nowhere to win the Presidency from an experienced and widely respected older white dude.
Fantasy?

Posted by: Jules at December 1, 2009 5:48 PM

I weep for the omission of "Pushing Daisies."

But I understand. "The 15 Best Television Shows" doesn't have the same dramatic ring to it.

Posted by: Miss A at December 1, 2009 5:54 PM

Looking back, I decided I really hate Six Feet Under. The first season was good, but then each consecutive season, they picked a character, and just put them through shit. Shit, which in retrospect, made absolutely no sense. Then the next season, they'd pick another character and figure out the worst shit to do to them. And so on.

First season and last episode. Those were the only good parts.

Posted by: Erm at December 1, 2009 5:56 PM

Appendix: I missed the “American” qualifier in favour of just reading the list, which would technically scrub out Dr Who, COE and Jeckyl, but fuck it quality is quality wherever it is from. Hell, if it were open to British comedy & drama, I would bump half of this list.

An unknown charismatic minority Senator comes out of nowhere to win the Presidency from an experienced and widely respected older white dude.
Fantasy?

Fair point, but I was thinking more along the lines of a pro-choice Republican who doesn't go to church and politicians who refuse to countenance dirty tricks and negative campaigns on strength of principal rather than political calculation (thats off the top of my head). Half of Jed Bartlet's appeal was as the anti-Bush: the articulate, Economics Noble Laureate (who by S6 & 7 somehow led the economy into the toilet?). WW's structure might have been based in reality, but it's drama was always more about how we wanted leaders to act rather than how they actually did act.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 6:01 PM

Sigh.

Of course you guys wouldn't pick the best comedy of the past 10 years for your list. Of course not. You probably don't even realize the genius comedic stylings because it is cleverly disguised as a how-to program.

I'm talking, of course, about Semi-Homemade Cooking with Sandra Lee. She can offend entire continents with a single dangling clause, all while two-fisting cocktails and shaking her sagging, braless breasts at camera. Cool Whip is a food group to this woman. Cookie mixes are for cakes, cake mixes are for pies, and pie mixes are for a tasty topping on a taco salad. You'll laugh, you'll cry, you'll get a migraine from the imagined sugar rush of the pre-packaged ingredients. That's not even getting into the constantly changing color-coordinated kitchen, kiddie kocktails, rolling l's, hip checks, whoots, and tablescapes.

Or else the woman really is that insane. Then it's like Intervention without the threat of arrest, or Hoarders without the stacks of bundled newspapers, and I know Pajiba must impact the ratings of these two shows significantly.

Posted by: Robert at December 1, 2009 6:09 PM

how many times can we travel through space, fight a medieval war or battle good vs. evil with vampires?

Posted by: scorzi at December 1, 2009 5:28 PM

Uh... infinity times?

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 1, 2009 6:10 PM

I want someone to do a poll of the regulars on Pajiba (about 20-30 of us) because I want to know who keeps voting for the Sci-Fi/Fantasy shows for every list. I've said before I can't stand that genre and I'll stand alone if I have to, but I want to see a concrete percentage of what I'm up against.

I would tentatively consider myself a regular. I know, it's only been a few years, but I really feel comfortable with all of you. Also, the Firefly/Doctor Who/BSG love has been well-known around these parts for quite some time, and the sci-fi genre has a pretty large Pajiba following. I'm just sayin', is all.

Posted by: Nicole at December 1, 2009 6:14 PM

I would also protest the ommission of Iron Chef, except that it would have to be the US version which totally lacks the camp appeal of the translated Japanese. Allez Cuisine!

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 6:16 PM

WW's structure might have been based in reality, but it's drama was always more about how we wanted leaders to act rather than how they actually did act.

Point taken.

Just recently we watched all of WW again and I gotta say the whole Santos storyline was prophetic.

Posted by: jules at December 1, 2009 6:28 PM

For those complaining that the list is too American-centric: Ghost In the Shell: Stand Alone Complex

. . an honorable mention for The Venture Bros.

That's next on my list after I finish GIS:SAC. I'd also say that The Boondocks certainly is worth an honorable nod.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at December 1, 2009 6:28 PM

I think the aughts were great for television drama, but comedy really stunk. I mean, the 90s had Seinfeld, the 80s had Cheers, but what is the great comedy from the aughts? I actually never watched 30 Rock, but I'm not saying in terms of quality, I'm saying in terms of being a must-see show, I'm talking about being a strong element in the pop culture. And Arrested Development... I liked the first 12 or 13 episodes, felt like it could be a really great show, but then the next two or three were terrible, predictable and stupid... then I stopped it there. Maybe someday I find the time to pick up where I left.

It's a good list, but The Shield deserved at least a honorable mention... although I know it's not really a Pajiban show.

Posted by: zito at December 1, 2009 6:30 PM

Okay, first things first, I'm a libertarian. So, if that makes it easier for everybody to ignore my opinion on the Daily Show and the West Wing, that's fine. But I didn't really care for either of those shows. West Wing was ENTIRELY too smug, as is the Daily Show at times. That's what really annoyed me. Stewart can certainly be funny, but he's gone from trying to be funny to seeing himself as the Voice of A Generation, and so his humor is way too message-driven these days.

Now, with that out of the way, here are the shows I think should have made the list. It's pretty simple, actually. The Chapelle Show must be on any list of the best tv of the last decade. It was incredibly well made and hilarious, and very influential as well. Don't let the way it ended sour you on it. Also, I know you made note of it, but Deadwood should also be on this list. That show was incredible. And finally, a show that I haven't heard a single person mention, which I think is a travesty, is It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia. I think Sunny (along with South Park, who also should have probably made the list) has managed to be consistently funny and unique. Seriously, it's the best comedy on tv right now, and it ain't even close. Plus, it's been the best show on tv for a couple of years at least. Gotta give Sunny some love, folks.

Posted by: jmag at December 1, 2009 6:33 PM

What's up with all the name calling? Y'all are a bunch of dickheads.

Posted by: Cindy at December 1, 2009 6:40 PM

this is a pretty darn good list. i think that Deadwood should be on there. i haven't seen enough of 30 Rock or West Wing to say they don't belong--and since i LOVE every other show on the list--my only solution would be to make it a Top 11 list.

i also wonder how many of the complainers have actually watched the shows they want taken off the list. as much as i hated the characters on Six Feet Under, i have to admit that it was a really good show--the writing and the acting were consistently phenomenal.

how many times can we travel through space, fight a medieval war or battle good vs. evil with vampires?

i don't think the fact that characters are travelling through space, fighting a medieval war, or dealing with vampires automatically makes a show good or bad. dismissing a genre because you don't like it is fine, but all sci-fi shows are not created equally--any more than shows featuring cops/attorneys/doctors/detectives. the ability to tell a good story should transcend the setting, and i think all of the dramas on this list do just that.

Posted by: pq at December 1, 2009 6:42 PM

Scorzi> I suspect the love of fantasy and sci fi is BECAUSE we live in a world of serial killers and mothers drowning their children and fathers impregnanting the daughter they've kept hostage for 20 years.
Usually, I share your interest (especially in Tree man and other oddities of the human body). But sometimes, I need a break, something I don't have to armour my heart to endure. A show set in a future where people say 'yeah, we were really fucked up once, but not anymore.' Or a show about how much MORE fucked up we use to be. Or one about how we're still fucked up, but there's superpowers and heroes or, at the very least, the idea that we got through the current era of fuckery. Give me that hope, baby, and wrap it up in something shiny.

Posted by: ScienceGeek at December 1, 2009 6:47 PM

Just recently we watched all of WW again and I gotta say the whole Santos storyline was prophetic.

Posted by: jules at December 1, 2009 6:28 PM


Absolutely, I guess I'm more inclined to pick out the bits that jar with my cynical worldwiew ;-). Just finished season 6 and have 7 teed up ready to go. It really picked up nicely again after S5.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 6:53 PM

It's stopped being "heartfelt" after Floyd left

Amen, Mr. Tusks. I wish 30 Rock would bring Floyd back (for more than one episode). And it's gotten too goofy lately - it almost seems too impressed with itself or something lately and they think they can get away with whatever they want.

I have only seen 4 of these shows, and of those 4, I have seen every episode of 2. I feel like some of these shows I *should* watch, but... I just don't think I'll ever get around to them. Firefly maybe, but the Wire or Friday Night Lights? Eh. I've got books to read, and so on and so forth.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at December 1, 2009 6:57 PM

No Colbert? Unacceptable.

Posted by: Chickaboom at December 1, 2009 7:05 PM

Pretty solid list. As someone who is currently devouring the amazingosity that is BSG, I would've been devastated if it was left off. And props for 30 Rock too; good call.

But, as someone who has never seen either, I do have to question excluding Deadwood due to not having a proper finish, and yet still including Firefly, which had almost 1/3 fewer episodes to wrap anything up in...

Posted by: Gabs at December 1, 2009 7:18 PM

*sigh*

Looks like Yossarian, Squirrelgripper and I are the only ones on the "grateful for so many great shows to choose from" corner.

Which makes us the best by default. Nyah.

/totally stalling on studying for his test tomorrow

Posted by: Smoking Crater (formerly Vermillion) at December 1, 2009 8:08 PM

If you leave Deadwood off, don't you have to leave Firefly off to for that same reason? Unfinished business? I absolutely love both series too.

Posted by: Mick J at December 1, 2009 8:17 PM

This list was perfect right up until number 5, at which point I realized that I haven't seen most of the series in the top half.

In the place of The West Wing, The Wire, FNL and Six Feet Under, I suggest:

"South Park" (started in the '90s but just keeps getting better!)
"Dexter" (first 2 series at least were some of the greatest television I've seen, and the latest season is strong too)
"Californication" (probably my iffiest suggestion, but one of my favourite shows on TV)
"House" (yeah it's a pocedural, but the writing and acting are yet to falter in my opinion)
"Life" (another procedural that was damn awesome)

And to those complaining about 30 Rock and Arrested Development, keep in mind as comedies their appeal is going to be lost on anyone who doesn't share their sense of humor. The list doesn't claim to be all things to everyone after all (plus those shows are awesome and you're wrong).

Posted by: Chugga at December 1, 2009 8:17 PM

"But, as someone who has never seen either, I do have to question excluding Deadwood due to not having a proper finish, and yet still including Firefly, which had almost 1/3 fewer episodes to wrap anything up in..."

That's what I get for not reading comments. Not enough time.

As someone who has seen both in full (both fantastic for wildly different reasons), I feel it's a toss-up. They honestly should have flipped a coin.

Seen in full: V. Mars, BSG, Firefly, FNL, AD, Wire

Really need to check up on 30 Rock, the parts of Daily Show I catch are great but not a dedicated watcher. Not sure I want to watch 6 Feet Under, sounds kinda depressing. The West Wing has been on the list for a while now, I keep hearing the first 4 are just that good.

This is why I don't decry the lack of good TV nowadays. There are a few good shows on. And lists like this and the shows suggested in the comments (Sopranos, Shield, never seen either) keep me satisfied on DVD.

Posted by: Mick J at December 1, 2009 8:23 PM

I want a list compiled from commenters' votes!

I mean, Pajiba's all about the interaction, right? So let' s have reader votes!

Please, Dustin?

*puppy-dog eyes*

Posted by: figgy at December 1, 2009 8:24 PM

I haven't watched enough television this decade to passionately engage in this debate.

I just started watching The Wire. Only two episodes in, I have a feeling it will be worthy of the #1 spot.

The West Wing is great, of course. I do think that seasons 6 & 7 are a little overly maligned.

I concur that Lost easily belongs here based on what we have, but given that it's going to succeed or fail completely on a finale that won't occur in the aughts, perhaps judgment should be withheld.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 1, 2009 8:32 PM

Limiting yourself to the top ten films of the decade will be tough. That's where the real comment maelstrom will ensue.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 1, 2009 8:36 PM

I want a list compiled from commenters' votes!

I mean, Pajiba's all about the interaction, right? So let' s have reader votes!

Please, Dustin?

*puppy-dog eyes*

I think that's a great idea, but I think you should do a selectable poll rather than basing it on just comments, that would get kind of messy. Do something like this.

Posted by: George at December 1, 2009 8:51 PM

Smoking Crater, I was working the "so obvious it barely needs saying" angle, but sometimes it pays to be direct. We shall bask smugly in our shared superiority.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 8:53 PM

If you haven't seen The Wire, do yourself a huge favour and watch it. Seriously, you won't regret it. It doesn't even take very many episodes to get into it and once you're into it you can't turn it off.

Best show ever. I like it more than the British version of The Office and I didn't think they could make a more perfect show.

Posted by: becks at December 1, 2009 9:00 PM

Daniel Hall, while it shows the fact that I'm totally lurking this thread before starting again on work, I have to totally agree with you about Deadwood's conclusion. I was literally just telling someone the other day that the conclusion sucks but it still goes along with a theme of the series, that in Deadwood life isn't fair.

Posted by: Jasper Buckleman at December 1, 2009 5:27 PM

Thanks!

When I originally heard that there was meant to be a fourth season and that we were denied it, I was as frustrated as any other Deadwood fan. But after re-watching it (by the way, that show is tremendously re-watchable. Something new each time) and giving it more thought, I'm okay with the end. The guy with the most money and the most guns won, and all the little people better get out of his way.

It's not a nice message, but nobody can say it's not true to the world they'd created.

Posted by: Daniel Hall at December 1, 2009 9:06 PM

I don't even have TV, and I HATE THIS LIST!!!!!!

...

sorry. i just needed to be heard. *sniff*

For the record, I strictly watch cartoons on the internets.

Posted by: boo at December 1, 2009 9:09 PM

Becks- how would I go dropping into the Wire mid-story? The problem I always had with Lost was that I missed the start and never had time to catch up, would I be in the same position with the Wire? Australian TV FINALLY picked it up but it's on a channel I rarely watch and keep forgetting about

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 9:15 PM

I'm never interested in any best of tv list that doesn't have Futurama on it. Sorry. (I is totally in love, even after all these years.)

Kudos on the rest of the list, though.

Posted by: dsbs at December 1, 2009 9:23 PM

What's the cutoff rule for a show like Freaks and Geeks, which aired 13 of its 18 episodes in 2000? Seems kind of weird to exclude such a great show from this list simply because its first episodes aired in the 90s though the majority of its episodes aired in the Aughts.

What gives?

Posted by: Borg at December 1, 2009 9:25 PM

Squirrelgripper

Watch the Wire. From the beginning. Preferably with a Tivo or on DVD. You can't skip any episodes or jump into the middle - it isn't annoyingly complex like Lost, but it builds and builds and builds. You can't miss the beginning, or anything along the way. In fact, when you are halfway through the first season it will start to click and you should stop, go back, and re-watch from the beginning to catch how they introduced all the characters that you just now learned the names of. I am serious.

It is worth subscribing to Netflix for a couple months just to watch this show. There is a reason it is always the uncontested #1 on any list. It transcends television. It is good enough to contend with the best movies, the best journalism, and the best novels of the last decade as well.

Posted by: Yossarian at December 1, 2009 9:32 PM

Cheers Yossarian. I suspected that would be the case, so I'll go the dvd route. If it's as good as everyone says, it sounds like one worth owning.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 9:37 PM

...aaaand just found the season sets for $20. Serendipity!

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 1, 2009 9:44 PM

Late to the game, but I think it's worth mentioning some shows about ladies.

Gilmore Girls--the first 3 (maybe 4) seasons--were solid dramedy that I love to rewatch and quote.

Also, throwing my hat in for the more procedural show Judging Amy. Tyne Daly and Amy Brenneman just rocked this show, and I will never stop proclaiming its awesomeness. Juvenile court, social work, and complex family relationships in one show without getting schmaltzy.

And I know Alias sucked pretty bad after season 3, but those first few seasons are fantastic.

Posted by: kelsy at December 1, 2009 10:34 PM

Great! Thanks, Sleaze. You just caused me to fall into a swirling vortex of Cheaters videos on YouTube. That's an hour I'll never get back.

Posted by: Johnnyboy at December 1, 2009 10:43 PM

You guys are way too forgiving on bad acting and cheesy dialogue which, to me, makes anything Joss Whedon unwatchable he's writing for the internet. (Dr. Horrible). Battlestar and Veronica Mars fall into this category, also. Couldn't stand one ep of these shows for the shear over the top ham nature of the writing/acting.

Never saw The Wire, The West Wing or Friday Night Lights, but I don't doubt they were good. Better than the Sopranos or Lost? I guess we'll see. Watched the first ep of Six Feet Under and was bored. I plan on giving it another go, though. As for The Daily Show, I think it should either be number 1 or stricken from the list because it doesn't fit into the same genre of narrative story telling. TDS is in such a league of its own, anyway, but I don't feel it's fair to it or the others to compare it with a show that has through line, character development, acting, dialogue, etc. That said, it's the only reason I still have cable. It's done more for my generation's awareness and clarity of thought than any other medium or information source. That leaves Arrested Development which I love more than anything and can watch over and over, and 30 Rock, which while I think it belongs on the list, could easily see why others wouldn't want it there.

Posted by: Kyle Martin at December 1, 2009 10:52 PM

Thank you Scorzi for bringing up Rescue Me. I know Denis Leary is not for everyone, and it took me 2 seasons to get over that Irish-bog-bastard playing a NYC firefighter. But believe me, if you can convince someone who's Mother sounds like Linda Richman, it works.

I love Leary in general, but the show consistently hits its spots and manages to keep you invested in a bunch of characters. Each episode is roller coaster ride that can leave you vomiting, on the floor laughing, sexually aroused, crying, scared, and just generally screwed up in the head. However, I think, due to the really dark comedic aspect and Leary's presence, it's not for everyone.

I submit my favorite TV scene of the last ten years: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6eYzXIx_9dA

Also, a shout out to Chapelle's Show for being funnier in two seasons than anything I've seen since.

As for It's Always Sunny, I've been seriously disappointed with this season. Not to say it isn't funny, but I got in an argument with a friend when I told him I enjoyed the older, better episodes they ran in the time slot after the show, before The League started. These episodes just don't have the big payoffs of previous years.

And finally, am I the only person who's mentioned Curb Your Enthusiasm so far? Am I just too Jewish?

Posted by: D-Day at December 1, 2009 10:57 PM

Ok, bottom line is that anyone (and I do mean ANYONE) lambasting the inclusion of Veronica Mars on this list has never seen the show.

Seriously, take off Veronica Mars and Firefly. Both of them are cult hits that did little to affect how stories are told through the medium of TV.

For a show to be great, it has to change the medium? Disagree.

30 Rock -- not just unfunny, but painfully unfunny

The Shield -- I know it's not on the list, and I'm not going to say the show sucked (because I haven't seen more than five episodes), but the acting in the five I saw was so fucking hammy. I cringed every time my roommate watched it.

And my final point is that Big Love is the most underrated show of the Aughts. I could go on and on about how that show has changed the landscape of television. I never could have imagined how wonderful and touching a show about polygamists would turn out. It's amazing.

Posted by: Melissa at December 1, 2009 11:08 PM

P.S. Yossarian's description of The Wire (seven entries above) is perfect.

Posted by: Johnnyboy at December 1, 2009 11:19 PM

James S You're mean. Nyyyyah.
Jesse M. SO with you! Time Lord > anything else. Every Day.

Posted by: esme at December 1, 2009 11:24 PM

I'm glad so many people spoke up for Chappelle's Show. It pains me to realize that he's been forgotten so fast.

As for the Deadwoood v Firefly debate, I only have one thing to say: the reason Deadwood doesn't have an ending is that the creator stopped the show to work on something else. That series? John From Cincinatti. Case closed.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at December 1, 2009 11:45 PM

zito You might want to re-read what you wrote:

I think the aughts were great for television drama, but comedy really stunk. I mean, the 90s had Seinfeld, the 80s had Cheers, but what is the great comedy from the aughts? I actually never watched 30 Rock.....

So maybe try that again. Try WATCHING 30 Rock or The Office or something like that and then declare the aughts comedy free. Or comedy suck or whatever.

As for this list? WHERE ARE THE SQUIDBILLIES? Please.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at December 1, 2009 11:45 PM

You guys are all missing the boat on the cartoons (I will accept a Venture Bros. nomination despite not being a big fan).

The Aughts were the decade of Adult Swim. And not Family Guy repeats. Not when Aqua Teen took a swan dive off the deep end of coherence.

I'm talking about Sealab 2021, and Home Movies, and Space Ghost, and Harvey Birdman.

Futurama -- A few great episodes do not a series make. And yes I cried for Seymour.
Family Guy -- No, no, and no again.
American Dad -- I'm assuming this was sarcasm...

And although I am a HUGE proponent of the nerd-out, I would put Cowboy Bebop on my list of favs (the translation aired in the aughts). God this show oozed more cool than a library of Steve McQueen movies. It blended John Woo with Bruce Lee with Blade Runner with Sergio Leone with a bucket of Jazz dumped all over it. Transcended the idea of anime by telling original stories and not diving into the alienating elements of Sci-Fi. It stayed grounded and gave you a few episodes (#5) that can stick with you a lot longer than anything else I've seen in a long, long time. If you're okay with watching animation, and you liked Firefly and the whole space-cowboy-opera thing, I'd def recommend a few episodes.

Posted by: D-Day at December 2, 2009 12:11 AM

D-Day, I couldn't be happier that you brought up Sealab.

And to everyone crying for Futurama, you can't imagine how guilty you've made me feel for forgetting.

Posted by: coryo at December 2, 2009 12:13 AM

I'll toss my vote in to add some love for Dexter, Rome, Breaking Bad and The Shield. All of these are subversive and had/have tremendous narrative and psychological depth

I enjoyed firefly--it was fun and hokey and sentimental. but really, it was a fluffy forgettable show that ran for less than one season

Then again, I love Smallville and Supernatural, and think of them as shakespearian in their overblown dramas, so what do I know.

Posted by: idleprimate at December 2, 2009 12:33 AM

yeah, I'll get on "The Sopranos" bandwagon as well ... while "The Wire" will always remain my favorite show, "The Sopranos" comes in a close second. Tony Soprano was someone you could not just label as "good" or "evil" and avoided the annoying cliché of an "honorable" gangster ... it never shied away from showing Tony and the crew to be brutal, cruel and hypocrites ...

some will say it was just sex and violence, but there was something Shakespearean about the show ... and fuck you, I compared "The Sopranos" to Shakespeare ... what are you going to do about it?


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I should really get a life ...

Posted by: lelnguye at December 2, 2009 1:37 AM

Can't argue with Friday Night Lights or Arrested Development's placement. I'm gonna go out on a limb (read: not a limb) and assume that the people saying FNL should have been left off have never seen an episode. Never having seen an episode is something it seems like nearly everyone who doesn't like Friday Night Lights has in common.

Posted by: TimK at December 2, 2009 3:07 AM

Good description D-Day of Cowboy Bebop. Coolest fucking show ever.

Can't believe I forgot Chappelle. And I just started Curb, not sure if it'll make the list but it is damn good so far.

Posted by: Mick J at December 2, 2009 3:37 AM

Will never understand the love for "The West Wing". Idealized claptrap with no sense or reality or honesty about the way politics/government really are. Some good acting, moments and storylines, but overall, just complete make-believe.

Posted by: Tallsonofagun at December 2, 2009 4:07 AM

Firefly ahead of The Shield, Dexter, Deadwood, Rome, and The Sopranos?

Firefly with its terrible world-building, corny dialouge, and awful acting? I mean seriously what earthly reason would all these planets have of reverting back to wild west behaviour? Ill thought-out dross.

Fail.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 5:34 AM

"i don't think the fact that characters are travelling through space, fighting a medieval war, or dealing with vampires automatically makes a show good or bad. dismissing a genre because you don't like it is fine, but all sci-fi shows are not created equally"

I agree with that. However, Firefly is not even as close to as good as say Supernatural, Farscape, or The 4400.

And that's not to say I would rec any of those for the top 10, but obvious thought has gone into the building of their verses and the character arcs. While it's equally obvious JW just scribbled some notes on the back of an envelope and got FF made off the back of Buffy\Angel.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 6:18 AM

"OK, here's the thing. If Firefly had been left off, many of us (myself included) would have been turning green, sprouting veins, and busting out of our shirts (a la the Hulk, not Christina Hendricks). But with it included, all the people who haven't seen it bitch."

So you're allowed your circle-jerk over this appalling piece of badly-written sci-fi, but those who saw SOME (gave up after the first disc of the set a friend lent me), aren't allowed to say it's the drizzling shits?

Okay then. Democracy in action right there.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 6:21 AM

Carnivale!!!

Whoever mentioned this gets the gold star for the day. What a weird, fantastic, absorbing show. And that goddamned title music/montage!

Also, Rome needs defending from someone who earlier said it wasn't an American show. Really? Just because a bunch of British people were in it? Yikes. It was partially funded and produced by Americans, not to mention that it premiered on HBO (not the BBC, as any true British show would) I REFUTE that claim muthafucka!!!

And Chappelle's Show. Seriously, the more I think about it, the more curious I find its ommission. You're actually saying that Firefly was a better show than this? I can't begin to tell you how disappointed I am. It was easily the funniest two seasons of any show in history. It's like trying to argue that any drama can stand up to The Wire. You just sound like a damned fool.

Otherwise, I agree with #9, 6, 4 ,2 and 1. I didn't see Veronica Mars, 6 Feet Under or Arrested Development, so I won't touch them. 30 Rock is great but not an immovable pillar of my personal Top 10. The Daily Show isn't really in my wheelhouse. Political humor? Whatever. They do it better than anyone I've seen, but 8 years of Bush jokes would've driven me completely insane. Hey, I didn't like the guy either, but sweet jesus. Their social satire can be effective, but some of the correspondents are evil little fuckers that take way too much satisfaction from mentally raping people far less intelligent than them. Like Senators. ZING!!!
*phone rings*
Yes? Yes I just made a lazy joke about our government. You want me to be a writer for The Daily Show! Fuck yeah!
*leaps in the air with joy*
*freeze picture at height of leap*
*cue "Greatest American Hero" theme music*

Posted by: Kballs at December 2, 2009 8:41 AM

I agree with that. However, Firefly is not even as close to as good as say Supernatural, Farscape, or The 4400.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 6:18 AM

SUPREME FAIL

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 2, 2009 9:18 AM

"I don't agree with this list, therefore it's wrong."

Then no list can ever be right, people. You're not going to find a list of the ten best ANYTHING that everyone can agree on.

I don't like a few of the shows on that list, but the list itself is solid. The shows they chose are all definitely good TV - it's just that we're not going to like all of them. Whether we like them or not is a matter of personal taste, not a measure of how good the show is.

Posted by: Laura at December 2, 2009 9:30 AM

"I agree with that. However, Firefly is not even as close to as good as say Supernatural, Farscape, or The 4400.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 6:18 AM

SUPREME FAIL"

Eh, clearly logical plotting, well thought-out character arcs, continuity, and intelligent world-building are less important to you than corny quips.

Fair enough.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 9:34 AM

How anybody can think Friday Night Lights is better than Breaking Bad is absolutely incomprehensible. American Football has poisoned your so-called brain.

Posted by: Adam C at December 2, 2009 9:53 AM

I'll mention Dollhouse, just for the one (unbroadcast) episode "Epitaph One." For an unflinching look at where its technology would take us, and for not sparing those who were responsible for that technology.

When Dollhouse is at its best, it is one "Holy frak!" moment after another. If only it could always be its best.

Posted by: cylon cat at December 2, 2009 10:03 AM

Jay...it's not complex math. The 21st century started in 2000. Just like how the 20's start at 20, 30's at 30, 40's at 40 and so on. I have fingers. 10 of them. And when I use them to count, starting with 2000...I run out of fingers at 2009. Because that's the 10th one...the end of the fucking decade.

Posted by: PissBoy at December 2, 2009 10:46 AM

Says who? You? It was the last year of the twentieth century. Ya don't start countin with zero after all!

Hate to be the one to shit on your pickle Jay...but when you're dealing with time...you ALWAYS start at zero, in any expression of it. If we hadn't started at 0, then we would have never gotten to 1. This isn't quantum fucking physics. And how the fuck was it the last year of the 20th century?

Is 20 the last of the teens? Is 30 the last of the 20's?

For someone who seems so smart you sure are smrt.

Posted by: PissBoy at December 2, 2009 10:52 AM

Eh, clearly logical plotting, well thought-out character arcs, continuity, and intelligent world-building are less important to you than corny quips.

Fair enough.

Posted by: KC at December 2, 2009 9:34 AM

I felt the Firefly universe worked. It totally clicked with me. Despite the mix-mash of space and western, it felt organic and real right from the get go. As for character arcs, the show didn't have enough time to really develop any long term arcs, but in the handful of episodes the show had the characters on Firefly had ten times the depth and complexity of anything I saw in the 4+ seasons of BSG, for example. It's not even close.

I had no issue at all with continuity or the plotting of the show.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 2, 2009 10:57 AM

SQUIDBILLIES!

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at December 2, 2009 11:05 AM

No one will ever completely agree with any list, and I don't agree with this one - although I appreciate it and love list-making myself - so here's mine:

10. Planet Earth
9. Curb Your Enthusiasm
8. The Colbert Report
7. Lost
6. 30 Rock
5. The Office (UK)
4. Futurama
3. Oz
2. Deadwood
1. Arrested Development

Honourable mentions to Fringe, South Park, Flight Of The Conchords, Scrubs, Chappelle's Show, Firefly and probably more.

Notable abscences: I'm trying to get into BSG and am finding it boring, I haven't seen The Wire, West Wing was boring, haven't seen Six Feet Under, haven't seen Friday Night Lights, don't think The Daily Show is particularly great, just good, and Veronica Mars is lame.

Posted by: bendiagram at December 2, 2009 11:07 AM

"Scrubs" is better than "West Wing." Nothing wrong with "West Wing," but if I had to kick a show off the list to include "Scrubs," WW would be it.

Also gotta agree that "Chappelle's Show" and "Futurama" belong on the list.

Man, I miss Dave Chappelle on TV (new Dave Chappelle). Come back, Dave...

Comedies are always underappreciated. It's harder to do decent comedy than it is to do almost anything else.

I think you could cut down on the cranky disagreements if you'd list by genre, rather than trying to cover the entire gamut of television with just one list of 10.

Posted by: Slash at December 2, 2009 11:10 AM

Uh. I actually meant to include The Sopranos in my list, so... yeah. I'd probably slide it in there at 9, bump Curb to 10 and leave Planet Earth off.

Posted by: bendiagram at December 2, 2009 11:10 AM

Firefly was brilliant. I've seen several people call it this and that, but I've never seen anyone in the middle. People either love it or abhor it. (For my part, the show changed my life.) It was intensely cleverly written, with character driven subplots (Inara and Mal?) that linger with you long after the show has gone. After all, you can't stop the signal.

BSG was also great, I watched the first 3 seasons in about 2 weeks. I just couldn't get enough! Starbuck was absolutely phenomenal, it was great to see a strong female character resound the way Katee did. Eagerly I would plunk myself down on Friday nights to watch the last season, partially wishing it would never end. I could watch either BSG or Firefly, over and over, and, have.

I was absolutely overjoyed to see the inclusion of Veronica Mars. That show was clever, fun, emotionally involved. Just the rapport between Veronica and her father was worth watching! (Not to mention the tension between V and Logan. My god.)

I've never seen 6 Feet Under, or the Wire. Just have too much else on my plate (Dead Like Me, Lost, Heroes, CSI) to work it in. I'll take your word on those. The few episodes I've seen of 30 Rock, West Wing, I liked. So, shrug. Friday Night Lights though? Really? I guess I don't see it. And I have watched it. Didn't grab me like say, One Tree Hill.

I'd like to throw out a few for thought:

Sons of Anarchy (you've got to watch to understand. FANTASTIC.)
Venture Bros
Burn Notice
Weeds

All in all though, I agree with your list!

Posted by: Kelly at December 2, 2009 12:32 PM

BUFFY! BUFFY!

Posted by: Neverworking at December 2, 2009 1:11 PM

Perfect ode to "Six Feet Under." I started watching that show on DVD right after my mom died almost a year ago, and while some people think that was morbid of me, the show helped me start to process that tragedy and to grieve in a way that nothing or no one else has been able to. It was a masterpiece.

Posted by: DawnDraper at December 2, 2009 1:41 PM

The Shield, for me, is one the very best shows I have ever seen. A few people called it right on this one before me in this thread, so props to them. An amazing show and overall story arc, with a truly memorable lead character (Chiklis was supreme, but never more so than in the jaw-dropping finale).

Posted by: Alan B'stard at December 2, 2009 1:52 PM

Welp, yet another Pajiba television "best of" list made obsolete due to its exclusion of The Sopranos.

Posted by: rpk at December 2, 2009 3:00 PM

If you removed THE WEST WING entirely, moved BSG way, way up, I'd completely agree with the list. I think THE WEST WING is going to be (heck, already is) regarded as one of the most overrated shows in history. I recently tried to rewatch and was disappointed at how dated it already feels. I would put MAD MEN in its place, though right behind BSG.

Posted by: Robert at December 2, 2009 3:04 PM

I disagree strongly with much of the ordering, but overall, good list otherwise.

Posted by: Kate at December 2, 2009 3:12 PM

Speaking as a math major and former professional mathematician, the easiest way to solve the "decade" problem is to do exactly what this article title does: refer to the best-of list as encompassing the "aughts" as opposed to the "decade." 1990 might not have been part of the decade that immediately followed, but given the way that we enunciate that year's name I don't see the error in calling it part of the "nineties." Allowances that make sense can be made to reconcile mathematics and the English language.

Once the "aughts" are established as the ten particular years that we are referencing, we may then use the word decade to refer to the period of time, as a "decade" can also be used to mean any ten year span of time - not just the ones that begin with years ending in one and end with years ending in zero.

Calendars and their numbering have always seemed rather arbitrary and insignificant to me anyway. It's not as if Greenwich Mean Time or the Gregorian calendar were calibrated with the instant of the Big Bang. If we had evolved four or six digits per limb instead of five, the momentous occasions for which we mark time would take place at completely different moments.

That's not to say we should throw it all out; my penchant for science and order does not recommend that in the least. It does seem, though, that we need not take the issue too seriously.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 2, 2009 5:01 PM

Robert - I have to say, I started re-watching the West Wing again a few weeks ago, and I'm still tearing up and giggling in all the same places that I did the first time around. Sure, some of the issues they talk about may be a little dated, but the character interaction is every bit as poignant as it was the first time around (for me, at least).

Posted by: christine at December 2, 2009 5:09 PM

Geez, i was gonna post but seeing as how this list has attracted the response of pretty much everyone who ever visits this site, i'm gonna refrain.
however:

Weeds
Man v. Food
No Reservations with Anthony Bourdain
Top Chef
Rome

Posted by: MarcusArilius at December 2, 2009 5:23 PM

wow
i only agree with veronica mars and six feet under. I liked AD but I don't think it's the best thing ever.
Where's "The shield"?
Season 1 and 2 of "Alias" should count, right?

I don't laugh with 30 Rock, either.

Posted by: james at December 2, 2009 5:37 PM

It just occurred to me what is missing. I don't really enjoy television comedy for the most part, so 30 Rock and Arrested Development don't do much for me. There is one show that I have watched regularly this decade that makes me laugh, however, and that's Pardon The Interruption. A sports talk/news program doesn't belong, you say? I disagree. It's appointment television, and I think its format and pacing have more or less perfected its genre. Tony Kornheiser and Michael Wilbon have a great rapport, they frequently make hilarious commentary, they include fun skits (e.g., "heads on sticks"), and when appropriate they offer serious, sobering commentary (or as serious and sobering as the world of sports merits).

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 2, 2009 6:48 PM

I think you may find that The Sopranos is omitted due to the fact that it actually premiered in 1999, therefore rendering it ineligible in this list.

Posted by: nd at December 2, 2009 7:04 PM

The West Wing's tone changed so dramatically after the departure of Sorkin and Rob Lowe, but seasons 6-7 were great if you are a politico. Truly captured the essence of the modern campaign. I've found that generally people who loved seasons 1-4 but didn't care for the rest of the series also never cared much for the politics. I think it's worth noting that seasons 5-7 dealt with foreign affairs the majority of the time.

Posted by: Brett at December 2, 2009 7:26 PM

Ha, love the Pardon the Interruption shout out DarthCorleone. Absolutely fantastic, if I don't catch up on anything sports that day, I at least try to watch that when I can. Even the guest hosts do a pretty good job most of the time. But Mike and Tony have such great chemistry, it's just fun to watch.

Posted by: Mick J at December 2, 2009 9:42 PM

wooo lists wooo. Thanks for not including Sopranos or (choke) Rome.

For those saying Deadwood doesn't have an ending, I'm gonna have to plagiarise Todd VDW in his Deadwood posts at the AV Club and say that it doesn't matter because Deadwood's about beginnings, not endings. And it's awesomeness, and should be on this list, and y'all are rotters for not doing so! DAYUM.

Also agree that some animated shows are missing, and humbly submit Spongebob Squarepants over Six Feet Under and Harvey Birdman over 30 Rock.

Posted by: nigeltde at December 3, 2009 12:16 AM

I've just watched the first five episodes of Veronica Mars and I admit that it's good. But isn't it just a toned down version of Twin Peaks set in high school?

Posted by: EricD at December 4, 2009 2:47 AM

Am I the only one that REALLY likes pies?

I'm shocked! There were pretty colours, pretty clothes! Singing! Sarcasm! Flying cerulean nuns! Dead people, touch-live-touch-die! Puppies! Rainbows! Chinese food! Awkard love! Magic! And PIES! Glorious pies!

I weep for all you olive-sized heart you. I bet you are cake people.

Eat my white truffle.

Posted by: Miss A at December 4, 2009 6:43 AM

For the record, if you hate my list because I left out Friday night lights, Curb your enthusiasm, Breaking Bad, It's always sunny, I haven't given them a chance yet, although people say FNL is so good I might give it a shot. Six feet under I just plain didn't enjoy, didn't finish the second season I think.

Honorable mentions to:

Chappelle's Show
Firefly (not enough of it)
30 Rock (great but no more room on list)
Mythbusters (I just really like it)
West Wing (Later seasons sucked though)
Dexter (again, no more room)

10. Arrested Development
9. Deadwood
8. The Office
7. Battlestar Galactica
6. Veronica Mars
5. Mad Men
4. Daily Show
3. Lost
2. The Wire
1. The Sopranos

Posted by: Malware at December 5, 2009 12:08 AM

Honorable Mentions: Monk, Avatar: The Last Airbender, Breaking Bad, Weeds, & Reno 911!

10. Freaks And Geeks
9. The Shield
8. Battlestar Gallatica
7. Chappelles Show
6. Dexter
5. Mad Men
4. The Sopranos
3. Arrested Development
2. The Wire
1. Lost

Posted by: namar at December 7, 2009 7:03 AM

"...but they are real people, not just the stereotypes that we, ourselves, couldn’t look beyond when we were there."

No, they're 20-30-somethings playing teenagers on camera. That's where the "real people" part stops.

Any further response misses MY overall point, not yours. Also, the second part of this statement presumes A LOT that you can't include on the part of your ENTIRE readership.

WTH.

Like I said, this site may do some things extremely well, but lists aren't one of them.

Also, you can't call these subjective selections when they've been put up to committee, so sell that piece of shit argument somewhere else.

Posted by: Recondite at December 20, 2009 2:18 PM

With the exception of The Daily Show, no TV show has entertained and amused me more consistently this decade than Mythbusters.

Posted by: The Mutt at December 21, 2009 10:50 PM

Where`s The Shield ( the best show of all time), The Sopranos, Lost, Breaking Bad, The Office (US version), Curb your Enthusiasm, Entourage, Dexter (arguably the best show currently on air)? This list is whack!!!!!

I know that a couple of shows have been omitted in your introduction, but they do deserve to be on this list. Honestly, Veronica Mars over Lost? Get the fuck outta here!

Oh, and why is it that in almost every critics Top 10 list you would see The Wire taking the number one spot. Honestly, have you ever seen it be number 2 or 3? No, always number fucking 1!!! The show is not that great. There are shows far superior to The Wire, such as the formidable The Shield. I have a theory: Give the number one spot to a show that sheds light on the every day workings of white and blue collar crime in a way that enlightens us rather than a show that only entertains us.

Posted by: The Truth at January 20, 2010 5:11 PM

1. Mad Men
2. The Wire
3. Breaking Bad

[Substantial gulf]
4. Curb Your Enthusiasm
5. Dinner: Impossible

Sorry, I can't think of five other recent shows worth putting on any list that denotes quality TV.

Posted by: Red Medicine at February 16, 2010 4:07 AM





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