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Ah, the comic book movie. Other than video game movies, no source of adaptations has been historically botched quite as badly. It’s bizarre, really, that we essentially went through almost two full decades with only a smattering of decent, let alone good, comic book-based films. Ever since Superman II, we’ve been treated to a steady stream of garbage. Even Tim Burton’s first two Batman films, while still enjoyable, were hardly loyal or loving adaptations.

Think about that: since the release of Superman II in 1980, we basically had three decent comic book movies (the Burton Batman movies, and Blade) until we hit the current decade. That’s incredibly depressing. Comic books remain a much-maligned source of inspiration, a brilliant, vividly imaginative medium that contains both frequently spectacular writing, as well as gorgeous artwork, that should be an obvious choice for cinematic mining. Instead, what do we get? Three Punisher movies, all of which were terrible (the most recent, Punisher: War Zone was the closest we’ve come in tone to hitting it, but was ruined by absolutely terrible villains). Ghost Rider. Emo-Spidey. Brett fucking Ratner taking a massive, unapologetic dump on the X-Men franchise. And what’s worse is that those movies, particularly the horrendously awful X3 and Wolverine movies, made boffo money at the box office. Fuck you very much, moviegoing public.

Well, I’m here to tell you that the last ten years weren’t wasted. We were treated to several comic book movies that were not only good (if not always 100% faithful) adaptations, but also just genuinely good movies. Well-directed, with actors who seemed to actually invest something in the roles. Special effects that don’t look like Sci-Fi Channel shlockery. There appear to be a select group of filmmakers and actors who actually care about making a decent, no… a great comic book movie. If Christopher Nolan’s Batman franchise and the minds behind the slowly evolving Avengers series have taught us anything, it’s that when a team truly cares about the source material, something amazing can actually happen.

Of course, as with all lists, it’s likely to be contentious — not because of what got left off, but because of what got put on. There are few enough (good) comic book movies that making a full top ten list is actually rather difficult. But we are Pajiba, and lists are part of what we do. So with that said, here are the Ten Best Comic Book Movies of the Aughts.


perdition_p.jpg10. The Road To Perdition (2002): Sam Mendes’s adaptation of the graphic novel by Max Allan Collins is the least “comic booky” of the list, and is seen by many to be an uneven effort. However, Mendes’s direction is steady and the performances of the leads are solid, particularly Hanks as Michael Sullivan, the gangster who, with his son in hand, is on the run from his traitorous employers. Equally if not more effective is Jude Law as an assassin who is twisted in both mind and body. The cinematography is absolutely gorgeous, with a rich, Hopper-esque color palette that is as much a character in the film as the cast itself. The Road To Perdition is often slow, and stumbles on occasion, but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s a great movie. — TK

Blade2_01.jpg9. Blade II (2002): Before the big gun franchises like X-Men, Spider-Man, and Batman started firing on all cylinders, Blade was a quiet gold standard for comic book movies. The first one was a grim, somber film that combined moody atmospherics with stylized, bloody martial arts violence (it’s also Stephen Norrington’s only good movie). The second one, directed by Guillermo Del Toro, removed many of the dramatic elements, and ratcheted up everything else. The result is a true comic book geekgasm of a flick, a gory, bloody, breathless foray into vampire chaos. Wesley Snipes is literally perfect as the titular Blade, the half-vamp, half-human who hunts vampires. The CGI is less eye-popping now than it was then, but the film still manages to do its share of dazzling. It’s not a terribly cerebral film, but through decent acting, spectacular action pieces, some truly innovative creature design and effects and of course, Ron Perlman, Blade II is easily one of the best. — TK

sincity.jpg8. Sin City (2005): Sin City is, if nothing else, a fanboy’s wet dream. As promised, Rodriguez and Miller have adapted the books with a literal-mindedness never previously attempted. Every plot twist, every line of dialogue, and most of the visuals come straight from the comics. (It’s no wonder Rodriguez wrote part of the score himself — what else was there for him to contribute?) Visually, it works most of the time. Despite his crude draftsmanship, Miller’s high-contrast black and white compositions often have a rough, Spartan beauty that translates well to film, and the filmmakers convert the drawings into motion without succumbing to the static images that could have resulted. Indeed, many scenes are shockingly kinetic, the visual abstraction heightening the action by presenting it on a blank stage. — Jeremy C. Fox

wesleygibson.jpg7. Wanted (2008): What do you get when you combine the sultriest pair of hips and lips in Hollywood, seemingly tethered together only by body art; blood splatters that course with viscous glee; enough cold, hard steel to resurrect Heston; bullets that curve; joyous holes in the head; and a hot, slathering mess of McAvoy? You get Wanted, a movie you want to take behind the middle school and impregnate. With twins… It has that Damn It Feels Good to Be a Gangsta anti-cubicle fuck you vibe of Office Space, the struggle for individuality spirit and light-hearted brutality of Fight Club, and a brand of action-movie Waschowskism that hasn’t felt this fresh since The Matrix, even if director Timur Bekmambetov owes a huge debt to that movie. Throw in a dash of last year’s Ratatouille (you’ll understand), and you have the symphonic awesomeness of Wanted, an orgy of bullets, blood, and toned flesh that will break open your anal capillaries like a Crisco-free Saturday night up on Brokeback. — Dustin Rowles

v-for-vendetta_l.jpg6. V For Vendetta (2005): Beneath McTeigue’s floating knives and the ballet of violence, Larry and Andy provide thoughtful (if somewhat shallow) characters, challenging-but-logical mythology, and the kind of daring political ambiguity rarely seen in a blockbuster of this magnitude… In short, V for Vendetta will reignite the pleasantly unexpected feelings of open-mouthed awe you felt walking out of the first Matrix, shaking your head in disbelief and thinking silently to yourself, “Seriously! Did I just love a Keanu Reeves film?” Only this time, you won’t have to hang your hat on the breathtaking way a bullet splits through the fourth dimension. Instead, you’ll leave wrestling over whether it’s OK to believe that terrorism can possess this much humanism or whether V’s vigilante-anarchist approach may actually provide the ideal solution to the groupthink convergence of corporate America and an autocracy that is emerging against our indifference. — Dustin Rowles

Spiderman2-1.jpg5. Spider-Man 2 (2004): From the opening credits, which efficiently recap the events of the first film through the watercolors of fan-favorite Alex Ross, it’s clear that the filmmakers have tried to do this movie the right way, giving its comic-book roots the requisite Wagnerian pomp. The most rewarding aspect of their dedication is the way they have, for the first time ever, found a fully satisfying moving-picture equivalent for the action depicted in the still images of the comics… The amazing penultimate action sequence, in which Spidey uses his every last ounce of strength to save dozens of lives, brings the payoff to the Christ motif. His unconscious body is passed, arms outstretched, over the heads of those he’s saved. He is laid on the ground and revived, seemingly, by their appreciation, their faith in him. His sacrifice was worth the efforts and the risks, and it was, thankfully, not final. He will live to fight again. — Jeremy C. Fox

x-men-2-13.jpg4. X-Men 2 (2003): Bryan Singer struck gold with his first X-Men movie, which while it satisfied fans and made a decent return, suffered a bit from under-budgeting. For his second go-round, Singer had the leash taken off, with incredibly satisfying results. While not 100% true in tone to the comics, X-Men 2 was a godsend for fans, a source of hope for things to come (little did we know that Ratner would destroy that hope so thoroughly with his preposterous X3). The story of good and evil mutants battling each other, even as regular humans plot to either use them or destroy them, played into themes of loneliness and abandonment, of not fitting in and not belonging, almost perfectly. Hugh Jackman’s Wolverine was allowed to let the animal out a bit more, and we saw tantalizing glimpses of Jean Grey’s Phoenix metamorphosis (let’s not talk about how that ended up, OK?). Characters like Alan Cumming’s Nightcrawler and Aaron Stanford’s Pyro added to the fun. Singer’s direction was crisp and efficient, with impressive fight choreography, slick action scenes and a foot-stompingly awesome finale. Of course, Ian McKellan’s Magneto stole the show, and you were happy to have him do so. X-Men 2 was, much like Blade II, an improvement on everything that made the low-budget first film good, before the trilogy’s conclusion ruined everything. — TK

batman-begins-050207.jpg3. Batman Begins (2005): Joel Schumacher’s campy reign of terror is over. Long live Christopher Nolan, who puts even Tim Burton’s Grand Guignol interpretation to shame. Starting from a very basic but intuitively right conception — let’s make Batman a plausible real-world figure — Nolan and his co-writer David S. Goyer have scraped away the candy-colored barnacles that accrued to the Batman legend over the previous four films, stripping down the story to an elemental battle between a man and his own night terrors… The Wayne persona has echoes of Bale’s performance as Patrick Bateman in American Psycho, another man who constructed every part of himself to present a perfect façade; what that says about Wayne the man is only part of what makes this the darkest and most psychologically rich Batman film so far. — Jeremy C. Fox

iron-man-movie-14.jpg2. Iron Man (2008): Iron Man has renewed my faith. It is the reales Abkommen, the real goddamn deal, y’all. Better than a film for cool kids, it’s a film that makes you feel cool for loving it. It is cinematic engorgia, a movie that will leave you gleefully priapistic. Or, for those of you who prefer unpretentious terminology: It will make your funny parts hard. Iron Man is the perfect storm of badassary, debilitating wit, tester-octane explosives, and tongue-in-cheek gnarliness… Moreover, for all its implausibility, Iron Man feels grounded in a form of reality; the action is low key, without being underwhelming; and at no point does it feel like Iron Man is being weighed down by obligations to the fanboys. It doesn’t need to, anyway — five minutes after Iron Man escapes from the cave his captors have held him in, the fanboys will have blissfully rolled over and passed out in their own juices. — Dustin Rowles

the joker.jpg1. The Dark Knight (2008): Yes, it’s patently absurd that a young man attempting to deal with the death of his parents would channel that rage into karate classes and building a rubber suit shaped like a bat, but Nolan grounds that action in a world that’s palpably real. As a director, Nolan takes the story seriously, and that makes all the difference, transforming his films from good to great. They’re the best superhero movies ever made because they embrace the character on a gut level and not as some pop artifact. The Dark Knight is a harrowing, frightening, uncompromising, flat-out great superhero movie, wonderful in sad ways, hitting the perfect mix of characterization and humor, bouncing between phenomenal action set pieces and the brutally human moments that place the film in a recognizable world even as it soars into comic book fantasy. Put simply, Nolan just gets it. He’s a believer, and he’ll make one out of you, too. — Daniel Carlson


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Comments

Love love love these movies (except I've yet to see Road to Perdition). V for Vendetta is still my all time favorite movie of all time, much less favorite comic book movie. Too many people think of comic book movies as those ridiculous action flicks that show unrealistic special effects and not enough characterization. I tell em, stop watching Jumper and watch Sin City, and then tell me that it's not several character-driven stories.

And then I pistol whip em and walk out into the rain, my black trenchcoat flapping elegantly behind me as I give em the finger. Cuz that's how I roll.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at December 11, 2009 2:07 PM

Oh, and because of the failure of the third movie in each franchise, X-Men and Spiderman are dead to me. DEAD TO ME!

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at December 11, 2009 2:10 PM

300?

Watchmen?

Pretty good list, otherwise. I dunno. Tobey Maguire as Peter Parker gives me the fury. I don't care for a mopey Spiderman.

Posted by: Chickaboom at December 11, 2009 2:15 PM

Notable omission (well-deserved): The Watchmen. I wish it derserved to be here, but... It just didn't. This is a good omission.

Notable omission (undeserved): Hellboy. I would count this as #10 if this were my list- entertaining and awesome. More comic-book-esque than Road to Perdition. If you're going to put in something like Road to Perdition, I'd throw A History of Violence into the mix as well.

Overall, though, very nice list!

Posted by: logar at December 11, 2009 2:19 PM

"Derserved"
Ha! With spelling like that, I don't "derserve" to post here.

Posted by: logar at December 11, 2009 2:20 PM

WHAT IS WRONG WITH ME?! (don't answer that, please)

I haven't seen 3 of these movies, one of which is dang near close to number one. I should probably get on that pretty soon, seeing as a sequel for one of those three is coming out soon-ish.

/ hangs head in shame

But ya, i digress. List is good. I probably would have put V up higher, but then again that is just me.

Posted by: JohnnyThei at December 11, 2009 2:21 PM

I cannot think of Road to Perdition this day without shivering in horror. It was the first movie I ever saw Jude Law in, and I've never been able to look past his film role to the reasonably attractive man he is (well, when he shaves). You think Heath Ledger's Joker is scary? It's one think to put on demented clown makeup and quite another to look into a face and see the yellowed, snaggly teeth and creepy eyes of a serial killer.

Posted by: bonnie at December 11, 2009 2:21 PM

Wow. I think I agree with this one whole cloth. Granted there wasn't a great deal to work with, but the ones you chose are at least all good (Road to Perdition) to great (Blade 2) to flipping outstanding (The Dark Knight).

Posted by: TylerDFC at December 11, 2009 2:23 PM

Watchmen was a disappointment, for some reason it just didn't feel right (add in the worst use of music in a movie in some time).

I would replace Blade II with 300, because a) the peripheral characters were not good, and b) I remember some kind of crappy CGI wrestling match at the end. 300 was a rock and roll orgy of masculinity and blood, and although the dialogue got pushed (obviously) too far, it helped get us away from quick cut, wtf-just-happened action movie editing.

Also, I have this weird love/hate with V for Vendetta. Yes, Hugo Weaving was perfect. And it had my dreamgirl (accent or not). I understand the way it "updated" the government-oppression idea, but it laid off the few interesting ideas pushed in the comics. Namely, the first few chapters explore V as a villain, and the movie couldn't used more of John Hurt humping a computer control panel.

Posted by: D-Day at December 11, 2009 2:27 PM

I'll just assume Number 11 is Persepolis for my own sanity. I would say it looks like it's all superhero films, but clearly Road to Perdition is not. Not a surprising omission, but worth noting.

Posted by: Robert at December 11, 2009 2:31 PM

+2 on History of Violence. Cronenberg's first real foray away from his signature theme of physical decay to something examining psychological gruesomeness. You'd never even know it was a comic book, er, "graphic novel" by watching it, and the movie's ambivalent ending is better than the book's.

I also loved V for Vendetta, though slightly more nuance over both V's and the Norsefire government's actions might have made it even better (and possibly have resulted in Alan Moore NOT removing his name from it).

Posted by: Jacktrade at December 11, 2009 2:34 PM

Great list, TK.

Maybe you were trying to avoid too many choices fromt the same franchise (though you rightfully included both batman movies), but my only quibble would be that Spider-man and X-Men probably belong on this list somewhere.
As flawed as Hellboy was, it should mentioned, as well.

My list would go a little something like this:

1. Batman Begins
2. The Dark Knight
3. Spider-Man 2
4. X-Men 2
5. Iron Man
6. X-Men
7. V for Vendetta
8. Spider-Man
9. Sin City
10. Hellboy

Posted by: dg at December 11, 2009 2:35 PM

Woop! Logar just killed this list in one fell swoop...

Posted by: D-Day at December 11, 2009 2:38 PM

Though I do agree that 300 deserved a mention, I appreciated and enjoyed this list. Iron Man and Dark Knight in particular are indeed flat-out great movies, outside of any genre discussion.

And huh, I did not actually know that The Road to Perdition was a comic book movie.

Posted by: Katers at December 11, 2009 2:38 PM

Robert, excellent point on Persepolis.

Also guys. GHOST WORLD?

Posted by: caroline at December 11, 2009 2:40 PM

Have you read "Wanted"!? The movie has next to nothing to do with comic!

Posted by: punkrawkknitter at December 11, 2009 2:41 PM

In defense of The Watchmen for the purposes of this list of comic book movies: The movie looked like the comic book - got the costumes right, got the look right, had the comic flava and the dialogue, for the most part, was Moore's.

You might not like the movie for whatever reason, but it was the comic brought to life. I know a lot of folks were unhappy with it, I get it. However, Sin City is almost completely incomprehensible with terrible dialogue (which might be Miller's, I haven't read it.) But it looks just like a comic book, it's wonderful to watch. That's why I bring up Watchmen. 300 actually looks better than the graphic novel. If you like abs, that is. And Hotness.

Posted by: Chickaboom at December 11, 2009 2:45 PM

It's hard to argue with this list. I am not sure what to think of "Wanted", "Road to Perdition" or "Blade II" because I haven't seen them. Personally, I loved "Watchmen" and would have included it, but I see where people didn't care for it. I would have also included "300". Other than that and some minor re-arranging of a few movies, it's spot on.

I hated "History of Violence." I found it laughably bad, which was very disappointing since I really like Cronnenberg and thought the cast was fantastic. It just didn't click with me at all.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 11, 2009 2:46 PM

V for Vendetta did such a great job in making V's mask seem like a real face with emotions.

Too bad Spiderman preceded it, because Sam Raimi could have taken some pointers from James McTeigue when filming Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin scenes. That mask was really distracting.

Posted by: mswas at December 11, 2009 2:46 PM

Wanted was ok, but I never understood the love it received. The "what the f**k have you done lately" line felt forced, and lame. It wanted.... to have that office space message, but after the beginning it died pretty quickly, and fell into that realm of not quite right.

Posted by: e at December 11, 2009 2:46 PM

The standoff in the rain in Road to Perdition still sticks in my memory as one of the most beautiful scenes I have ever watched. Completely deserved posthumous Oscar for Conrad Hall.

Posted by: Julie at December 11, 2009 2:48 PM

Good calls on Persepolis and A History of Violence (especially A History of Violence, one of the best movies of the Aughts, comic book or otherwise).

Ghost World was 2001... I prefer the flawed alt comic adaptations to the popcorn and special effects superhero movies.

Posted by: Yossarian at December 11, 2009 2:49 PM

In defense of The Watchmen for the purposes of this list of comic book movies: The movie looked like the comic book - got the costumes right, got the look right, had the comic flava and the dialogue, for the most part, was Moore's.

You might not like the movie for whatever reason, but it was the comic brought to life. I know a lot of folks were unhappy with it, I get it. However, Sin City is almost completely incomprehensible with terrible dialogue (which might be Miller's, I haven't read it.) But it looks just like a comic book, it's wonderful to watch. That's why I bring up Watchmen. 300 actually looks better than the graphic novel. If you like abs, that is. And Hotness.

Posted by: Chickaboom at December 11, 2009 2:45 PM


The dialogue from "Sin City" is taken directly from the comic. It's pure Frank Miller.

I also agree that I think "300" works much better as a movie than a comic. I bought the comic when it first came out, didn't think much of it at all, but really enjoyed the movie.

Here's my take on "Watchmen" and why it didn't (and couldn't) live up to expectations or the original work:

The comic series was ground breaking for a number of reasons. It was one of the first comics to really delve into the psychology behind why someone would actually dress up in a costume and fight crime. It's as much a deconstruction of superheroes as it is a narrative story. It (along with Frank Miller's Dark Knight, which was published at the same time and was the launching point for the conversation of Batman from the campy 60's TV show type character to the dark, brooding character we have today) was really the first comic to really get into those issues and sort of move comic books from the realm of fantasy to literature. The books are packed with symbolism and various themes that have become the fodder for many an essay on the topic. Watchmen was also one of the first comics to deal with the question of: What would happen if super heroes existed in the real world? In the comic, super heroes sort of come into being in the late 1930's/early 1940's and deals with their impact on society and politics going forward. There were also a number of great technical aspects to the comic (use of certain colors, framing techniques, panel composition,etc.) that were used in ways that weren't really all that common before.


The first thing to note, is that this movie was never going to be as big as the comic. It was impossible. The comic is now 23 years old. Everything that was groundbreaking about it (see above) has been copied and done over and over again. So, it was never going to impact its audience the same way the comic did. Even comic book movies, like the recent Nolan Batman films or Iron Man or even M. Knight Shaylamam's "Unbreakable", have already probed some of the issues that were revolutionary back in the mid 1980's.

Another knock against the film is that what was revolutionary for comics was not revolutionary for movies. Despite comics being a much older medium, it's evolution has not progressed nearly as fast as the evolution of film. Be it based on original material or novels, filmmakers have long been dealing with complex characters and themes, deconstructing heroes, dealing with political issues, and the like. The same goes for film techniques. The kind of technical advancements we saw in the comics just don't translate to the technical advancements in film. So, there is really nothing technically and substantively original (other than the material itself) about the movie.

Watchmen has often been called the "Citizen Kane" of comic books and I think that analogy works very well. A large part of why people consider Citizen Kane one of the best (or the best) film ever made, is, in large part, due to Orson Wells' direction and the technical achievements of the movie. There are a number of different types of shots, scene composition, editing techniques that had never been seen before. All of this, plus the compelling tale of Charles Foster Kane, makes Citizen Kane a great film. All of these things would not, however, make "Citizen Kane" a great comic book. As with Watchmen, part of the appreciation of Citizen Kane is knowing and being familiar with what had come before them in their respective media. Taking them out of their original medium cannot help be lessen the impact, feel and importance of these works.

The guys who made this movie understood the comic, they loved it and they did everything they could to lift it from the page onto the screen. I think one of the reasons some big fans of the comic didn't care for the movie are because of the things I discuss above. The movie didn't have the same visceral impact for them that the comic did, but that was never going to happen. Even if they had done a literal, page for page translation, it wasn't going to happen. There was just no way to re-create that phenomenon that was Watchmen 20 years later or on a movie screen.


The movie pretty much follows the comic as close as it can. Given the length of the work, there are a number of cuts (mainly subplots involving minor characters) and some scenes are shortened, but it changes very little and captures the essence of all the main characters as well as the major themes. The narrative of the movie, like the comic, is a bit complex and involves and number of stops and starts. The story is as much about the plot as it is about the characters and their respective backgrounds. So, there are a number of extended flashbacks throughout the movie that essentially give you the origin story of a number of the characters. The actual plot of the film almost seems secondary to the character studies in many ways. Given how well developed and interesting the characters are, it works. The flashbacks also help give the who world as sense of depth and richness. That said, some of the fine points of the actual plot can get a little lost among the jumps back and forth between past and present.

One thing Snyder does need to work on is his use of music, at least in this film. There are few times in which his musical choices are just really unnecessary and a bit heavy-handed. There are few scenes that for a few seconds it feels like you're watching music video all of a sudden. It doesn't last long, but it's a bit jarring. The worst abuse of this is his use of Leonard Cohen's "Hallelujah." He uses it during a sex scene that is too long and combining it with that song is just, well, not good. I am certainly not prudish and the sex scene does occur in the comic, I just don't see the reason why it needs to be a 2 minute soft core porn scene instead of a few seconds of getting it on and then fade to black. The scene in the comic is all of 2 panels. He shot a similar soft core scene in "300". It was unnecessary there as well. That is pretty much the worst scene in the movie. It is, however, only 2 out of 184 minutes.

There was some talk that to make the movie more relevant to today's audience that they should have set it in modern times, dealing with terrorism or resource scarcity or something. The reason being is that the Cold War era politics that play a central role in the film are incredibly dated today and feel almost kind of quaint. While that view point certainly makes sense, I'd rather have the more faithful adaptation that we got than a more "relevant" modernized version. A lot of the history of the characters would have to be completely changed to set the movie 20 years later than the comics. It just never would have worked without sacrificing so much of the characters and themes.

Now, would I recommend this movie? I think it's definitely worth watching. Because I am coming at the movie from a certain angle, it's hard for me to wonder whether someone who never read the comic would like it. I know there are people who loved the comic and hated the movie, people who hated the comic and likes the movie and those who never read it and either hated it or loved it. It's no small endeavor. The director's cut is 3 hours and 4 minutes and the theatrical version is 2 hours and 40 minutes. So, if, for whatever reason, you don't get into it, it will be a long and painful experience. If you do, however, it's really quite the experience.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 11, 2009 2:53 PM

I can't really argue with anything on that list. Mostly because I am not fluent in the comic arts. Hellboy (only the first one) could have made it. I also really enjoyed Blood: The Last Vampire too.

Posted by: admin at December 11, 2009 2:54 PM

V for Vendetta did such a great job in making V's mask seem like a real face with emotions.

Too bad Spiderman preceded it, because Sam Raimi could have taken some pointers from James McTeigue when filming Willem Dafoe's Green Goblin scenes. That mask was really distracting.

Posted by: mswas at December 11, 2009 2:46 PM

I totally agree with you. After watching V For Vendetta, that was the first thing that I compared it to. Hugo did a bang up job.

Posted by: Forbiddendonut at December 11, 2009 2:55 PM

What an ossom, ossom list!!

Well, I didn't much care for Spidey II or X-Men II, and I agree that A History of Violence should have been on there, and I furthermore think that V for Vendetta should've been higher up on the list.

But, other than those three tiny things, I have no nits to pick with this list!

I love comic book movies (when they're done right, that is).

Posted by: Jelinas at December 11, 2009 2:55 PM

Hellboy and Watchmen I also would've accepted.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at December 11, 2009 2:58 PM

I must be outgrowing this stuff, because I think the majority of this list is either merely fun, good but overrated, or outright bad.

And, yeah, if Road To Perdition (my favorite film of these ten, by the way) is good for this list, then Ghost World certainly should be as well.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 11, 2009 3:00 PM

I had no idea that A History of Violence was a comic book movie. As such, it should really be on this list. It was one of my favorite movies of the aughts, irregardless of its comic book status. Other than that, yeah, a pretty solid list. I can respect not having more then one movie from a franchise on it (except for Batman cause they both so fucking deserved it) though I think X-Men deserved a place on the list. It was a great setup of all the characters and cinched my love for both Ian McKellen and Patrick Stewart. But what the fuck was up with movie 3? Painful, just painful.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at December 11, 2009 3:00 PM

Take Wanted off this list, replace it with Watchmen and we're cool.

Seriously, they totally missed the point with Wanted - and gave us just-another-action-flick. Oh, and some hokey "heart beating at 400 bpm, so you can do impossible stuff like leap chasms and curve bullet trajectories". Go and pick up the comic, soak in the alt-universe world in which the supervillains won, understand the true angst of our anti-hero, be blown away by the twist - THE TWIST - ending... Then you too shall understand my anguish with this film.

They could have just shot it and called it Angelina's Booty Upstaged by Morgan's Potty Mouth.

Posted by: malikvlc at December 11, 2009 3:00 PM

ForbiddenDonut, I agree.
And I like it the way that it is.
Could it have been better? Sure. So could all of the movies on this list. (Tho I really loved Batman Begins, so maybe not that one.)
But was it like the comic book?
More than less.
Whatever.
I know people are polarized on it. I didn't bring it up to start an argument. But I also didn't think it should be left out because some people don't like it.

Posted by: Chickaboom at December 11, 2009 3:05 PM

Wow, TK, finally a list I completely agree with--and I don't even read comic books. But all these were absolutely excellent movies (I haven't seen Wanted yet), fun and visually arresting. Even if I do hate Tobey Maguire.

Anyone suggesting 300 needs to kick him or herself in the ass. That movie blew. Hard.

Posted by: figgy at December 11, 2009 3:07 PM

Thank you Robert for mentioning Persepolis. The film was so engaging, and the stories are amazingly heartfelt.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at December 11, 2009 3:08 PM

I know it would make two Miller submissions for one list, but Wanted over 300? REALLY? I'm appeased that The Dark Knight was on top. While Batman Begins breathed life once more into the franchise, I just can't love it like I love TDK.

Posted by: duckandcover at December 11, 2009 3:08 PM

I'd watch a movie called "Angelina's Booty" as long as the title role was played by Odette Yustman.

Posted by: logar at December 11, 2009 3:09 PM

V for Vendeta and Wanted? Hghuuuuuuuuuuuwhaaaat? Really? Realllly? Even though I love Hellboy and Hellboy 2, I'll let sleeping dogs lie in that department. I haven't thick enough skin, but V for Vendetta and Wanted both suck. Suck, suck. ahhh. Ghost World and American Splendor however... Well they're just great little flicks.

I mean!, you might as well have put 300 and fucking BenDareDafflack on your list list... You've given me a nose bleed.

Why not Persepolis? Or A History of Violence (though I didn't really enjoy it)? Or even Watchmen? over V for Vendetta and Wanted?

I'm confused.

Posted by: Brian at December 11, 2009 3:12 PM

I think I'm alone in my dislike for these Batman movies. I liked them at first, but now they annoy me and people just keep talking about how awesome they are.

But it is such a dude movie, I think I'm alone in the Batman Begins backlash.

Posted by: Erm at December 11, 2009 3:24 PM

Heh, with you there, logar. Odette Yustman does have a certain je ne sais quoi going on...  Now I have this overwhelming urge to watch Cloverfield again.

Posted by: malikvlc at December 11, 2009 3:24 PM

Agree that V for Vendetta and Wanted were painful awful. The X-Men movies had so much potential. Great comics and even awesome cartoons! Top 3 on this list are good. I'm one of those that enjoyed Batman Begins over The Dark Knight.

Posted by: Dingle Berry at December 11, 2009 3:26 PM

Great list, pretty much flawless in my opinion. I would take out wanted and put Watchmen at #7 myself. I was not a fan of wanted.

All you Ghostworld fans though: Suck it. That movie blew. I wanted to STAB Thora Birch 15 minutes into that movie. And I actually kinda like Thora Birch. Was NOT a fan.

Posted by: Pandemic at December 11, 2009 3:27 PM

Watchmen should've been on there. At the very VERY least, it should have gotten an honorable mention. I watched the Ultimate Cut (the one with Tales of the Black Freighter weaved in) just yesterday and it is fucking awesome, despite its flaws.

Iron Man I thought was enjoyable, but not nearly as good as this site makes it out to be. And I guess I need to see Spider-Man 2 and X-Men 2 again, because I don't remember them being particularly outstanding. I mean, really? They trump V For Vendetta?

Posted by: Thijs at December 11, 2009 3:29 PM

Okay, I liked Ghost World well enough (I own the DVD, after all), but V for Vendetta was such an amazing movie that I feel a surge of emotion every time the fireworks go off.

Although I agree that Wanted isn't really all that deserving, but whatever.

Posted by: Shadows of Dakaron at December 11, 2009 3:31 PM

Fanfrickingtastic list! LOVE, LOVE, LOVE all these movies!

Posted by: dammitjanet at December 11, 2009 3:36 PM

I'm just happy that there's finally a list that is comprised only of movies I've seen. It makes me feel all cultural and shit.

Having said that, 'Wanted' blew hairy, sweaty goat balls. I would have picked 'Hellboy' over that, even though I've never read the comic. But only the first one. The second one really would have been better if they kept David Hyde Pierce's voice for Abe. Ruined the whole movie for me.

Posted by: Jeni at December 11, 2009 3:42 PM

American Splendor?

Posted by: TurtleRapist at December 11, 2009 3:54 PM

Paul Giamati in American Splendor -- he played Harvey Pekar, comic book writer who writes about himself. You missed it.

Sure, it's not a super-hero movie and it's not an action movie, but it beats the hell out of Road to Perdition, Wanted and V for Vendetta.

I'm a little disapointed you missed it. I know it's not your standard fare, but it honestly and devotedly captures the feel, pace and tone of the comic. It is self aware, just like the comic. It plays tricks with the forth wall, just like the comic. And never in the history of cinema has an actor done better work to portray a real life figure than in that movie (with the possible exception of Johnny Depp as Hunter S. Thompson in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas).

I'll forgive you.

Posted by: superasente at December 11, 2009 3:58 PM

Ok, now, before you eviscerate me, consider the sheer balls and bravery I am going to display by uttering this sentence: I hated The Dark Knight. It was way too long, way too meandering, and I thought Heath Ledger as The Joker was about as scary as Johnny Depp's Sweeney Todd, which is to say not at all. I definitely have fangirl cred, and I really liked most of the other movies on this list (that I've seen), and actually, Batman is just about my favorite superhero, but that movie made me want to walk out at least 5 times. I stayed because each time I felt like walking out, I thought "It's gotta be almost over."

Alright. You can have my head now.

Posted by: Samantha at December 11, 2009 4:08 PM

Everybody say it with me: "Shoot THIS Muthafucka!"

And I love Road to Perdition for that shooting scene in the rain and for giving us a sniveling, whining Daniel Craig as Paul Newman's son.

Also, honorable mention should go to The Incredibles which, while not based on any specific comic book per se, channeled all the greatness of a mid-60s Jack Kirby-infused Fantastic Four to perfect heights. The two FF movies they made never came close to matching Bird's greatness!

Posted by: Fredo at December 11, 2009 4:17 PM

I'm convinced that TK and whoever else helped compile this list simply forgot that A History of Violence was based on a graphic novel (Because I refuse to believe that they intentionally left it off Best Comic Book Movies of the Aughts.) It's ok, we all make mistakes. Nothing a public apology and an edit to the post won't fix.

In the meantime, guys, why not let wikipedia help you next time. The internet knows everything:

List_of_films_based_on_English-language_comics

Posted by: Yossarian at December 11, 2009 4:17 PM

Only at Pajiba would the comic book movie discussion be infinitely more civil than the foreign film discussion. Just sayin....

Posted by: sansho1 at December 11, 2009 4:24 PM

I'm not entirely sure why, but I absolutely adore ALL comic book adaptations...it's possibly the only way to ensure that I'm sharing something beloved with another person/an audience. I grew up more than a little lonely (although I had a few dweeby, utterly hapless fellows think I was tops, everyone else despised us for weirdos and it certainly wasn't the same as having the support and admiration of my peers) and now I feel like almost anything that refers to the passions of my youth can do no wrong.

I'm discerning in all other ways, but comic anything wins me over time and time again. Also, I adored Watchmen, and would have substituted Wanted for it as has been suggested above.

Posted by: replica at December 11, 2009 4:25 PM

The amazing penultimate action sequence... gets me every time.

Boy, this is gonna turn into the foreign language list.

Posted by: Jay at December 11, 2009 4:26 PM

Wanted? Really? That was one of only 2 movies I have ever fallen asleep while watching. I'm not a sleeper. I was always that one kid during sleepovers that watched Charlie's Angels through to the end every time and consequently stayed up until 3 by herself. I just don't sleep during movies.

Wanted was terrible. It's ranked with the Star Wars Holiday Special here: http://xkcd.com/653/

Posted by: esme at December 11, 2009 4:28 PM

Samantha - I agree with everything you said. Too long, not scary, and I loved Batman Begins (and most of the films on this list), just couldn't get on with TDK. Once the boyfie pointed out the Joker's incessant licking of his lower lip, I couldn't bear to watch it any more.

Posted by: Ponytail at December 11, 2009 4:33 PM

History of Violence Yes, Wanted no. The wannabe mash up lacked the crucial elements that made all those films great- less a breakout, more a 30 something pre-midlife crisis and fuck all social commentary. As for the Loom of Fate, well I believe the phrase is "shitballs retarded maguffin"

I liked Watchmen and Vendetta well enough, but their main achievement was proving Moore's point that comics and movies are separate and unique media.

Posted by: Squirrelgripper at December 11, 2009 4:43 PM

I actually agree, which takes some of the fun out of it, but I'm fine with that. V for Vendetta wasn't as faithful as Watchmen, but Watchmen wasn't as good because it was so faithful. Alan Moore comics really weren't meant for cinema, he makes use of the medium so that the only way they can be truly effective is when they're in comic book form.

How would the worst comic book movies look?

10. Blade: Trinity
9. X-Men Origins: Wolverine
8. The Punisher
7. Spider-Man 3
6. Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer
5. Daredevil
4. Elektra
3. Ghost Rider
2. Garfield
1. The League of Extraordinary Gentleman

Posted by: George at December 11, 2009 4:50 PM

Samantha, Ponytail, one question. To what defect in your personality are you prevented from enjoying the best movie of the decade?

Posted by: George at December 11, 2009 4:51 PM

Agreed on American Splendor. That, Ghost World, and Road To Perdition: my three top comic book movies of the aughts. Superheroes: yawn.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 11, 2009 5:22 PM

Calm down, George.
The Dark Knight was decent. But it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I thought it was over the first time they caught the Joker. I was then treated to more than an hour of cops tripping over themselves to catch the Joker. It should have ended there. They easily could have made another movie about Two-Face. The Joker and Two-Face were equally interesting characters.
What I don't understand is all the V For Vendetta hate on here. It's my favourite movie. Ever. Weaving and Portman were perfect, and while it may not have been a perfect transition from the graphic novel, seeing the movie not knowing it was based on a novel made me love it for its own merits.

Posted by: Aaron at December 11, 2009 5:31 PM

I'm still waiting on a Ralph Snart movie.

Posted by: Codeman at December 11, 2009 5:32 PM

The problem with Watchmen is that it is emblematic of everything that is wrong with comic book movies.

It is the defining example of slavish devotion to the source material that prevents too many comic movies from resonating with audiences.

Some tropes work in a comic panel but do NOT work on screen, just like some that work on the page of a novel are simply not film-able. Iron Man and Nolan's Bat-Movies work because the filmmakers knew that and rolled with it. Make a good film first and a faithful adaptation later. Much, much later.

With Watchmen.... since there was no way in hell a movie could ever live up to the legacy of the comic... why invite comparison? That's a losing strategy. You need to boil it down to its essence and then re-write it for the medium. OWN it. If you don't think you're up to that, then don't try. Deliberately choosing the little failure is cowardly and lacking in art.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at December 11, 2009 5:39 PM

The Dark Knight was decent. But it wasn't all it was cracked up to be. I thought it was over the first time they caught the Joker. I was then treated to more than an hour of cops tripping over themselves to catch the Joker. It should have ended there. They easily could have made another movie about Two-Face. The Joker and Two-Face were equally interesting characters.

Posted by: Aaron at December 11, 2009 5:31 PM
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Ah, but they were more interesting in tandem.

Whole movie was about Gotham City itself and the relationship between Batman and the Joker that defines the soul of Gotham. They made brilliant use of Harvey Dent to set up that relationship.

It simultaneously set up as many sequels as you could want while obviating any need for them because the Batman/Joker relationship is so perfectly characterized.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at December 11, 2009 5:43 PM

Wanted should be off this list. It was terrible, and despite a few neat-o technical achievements, squandered all of its source material and considerable potential. It is super garbage-y.
I would happily replace it with any of the movies my fellow Pajibans have already nominated, including the ones I haven't seen. Wanted is that bad.
Otherwise, good work TK. On the realz.

Posted by: welldressed at December 11, 2009 5:46 PM

George; the defect of good taste?

Posted by: Samantha at December 11, 2009 5:53 PM

While I did enjoy Wanted, I have to agree that it isn't anywhere near deserving of this list. V for Vendetta was good, but quite heavy-handed. It didn't help that nearly every left-winger who saw it immediately co-opted it as their protest film. I can't say anything for American Splendor or Ghost World (have not seen/read them), but A History of Violence could have been considered.

I loved Watchmen, and I thought that sticking so close to the material was the only thing Snyder could do. There couldn't be any "owning it", because it was never going to be his.

The reason X-Men, Batman, etc. had such well-received films was because they had so many different interpretations already, the audience was more than willing to accept another one. But Watchmen? You only had Moore's version. There was no Elseworlds, no Ultimate, no multiverses and TV shows and what have you. Just the book. So people were going to go apoplectic if he deviated form it.

It may not have been "brave" per se, but if he wanted to make a Watchmen movie, it was his only choice. Otherwise, he could have just made a superhero movie "inspired" by Watchmen. At least he figured that if he was going to put the book on screen, he was going to go all the way.

Posted by: The Hands Team (formerly Vermillion) at December 11, 2009 6:05 PM

Well said, Mr. Vermillion. I like it quite a lot, INCLUDING the music, you crumbbums.

Posted by: Jay at December 11, 2009 6:08 PM

I love how they got "All Along The Watchtower" in, my only disappointment was that "The Comedians" didn't find a home.

Posted by: Jay at December 11, 2009 6:09 PM

P.S. If Wanted is to be taken off, especially for being SOOOO different from the book, then Blade II should be as well. Just saying: Blade never had vampiric powers before the first film came out. And he was British.

P.P.S. It is totally fine to dislike The Dark Knight. True, you will probably be the loneliest group of curmudgeons around, and very few people will want to be around you. But at least you have the satisfaction of not enjoying the movie.

Posted by: The Hands Team (formerly Vermillion) at December 11, 2009 6:13 PM

Forgive George, he's physically incapable of understanding that there are people who have different tastes than him.

Also, he's like, 14 or something.

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at December 11, 2009 6:27 PM

I liked Blade:Trinity more than Blade II, myself.

Posted by: Jay at December 11, 2009 6:31 PM

I liked the Watchmen movie, I think because I didn't read the comic first.

Same with V for Vendetta, which I particularly liked for V's level of erudition and the stylistic portrayal of violence. I also liked the political subtext - the lengths people will go to give up their freedom in exchange for comforting illusions of security.

Posted by: The Wanderer at December 11, 2009 7:08 PM

George: I would add X-Men 3 and The Spirit to your list of the worst comic book movies of the aughts. X-Men 3 might not be the worst, per say, but the degree to which it sucked in proportion to the first 2 movies and the amount that it let me down earns it a spot. And The Spirit was just plane boring. It should have been great but was just an epic fail.

Posted by: Morgan LaFai at December 11, 2009 7:21 PM

No 300? THIS IS MADNESS!

Also, swap The Dark Knight and Ironman and we'll talk. Seriously. And Hellboy > V, I'm sorry but it's the truth.

Posted by: Chugga at December 11, 2009 8:09 PM

Aaron, me too, and I don't care who knows it. I love V for Vendetta, and think it is a legitimately great movie, unlike, say, Men in Black and The Mummy, which I also count as some of my favourite movies, but know full damn well that there is nothing great about them.

Anyway, yes, I agree that V should have been higher up on the list, but was still pretty damn happy with the Top Three (although I'm one of the few that liked Batman Begins better than Dark Knight - I just don't enjoy leaving a movie theatre and feeling like killing myself).

I'm actually presently surprised there were enough other good comic book movies that you guys didn't have to use Watchmen, which I liked, but in the same way I liked Monsters Versus Aliens - it was fine.

Posted by: dsbs at December 11, 2009 8:47 PM

FUCK THIS LIST TOO! Wanted. REAAAALY?! WANTED?!

JESUS H CHRIST on a mother fucking cross. Reading this list is like having bombs go off in my mind Blade II (KA-BOOOM!) Wanted (KA-BOOM!), X-men 2 (KA-FUCKING-BOOM!).

were there really no OTHER action movies?! reallllly!? God damn Crank or Crank Crank (that's Crank 2 for you old timers) was better than Wanted and that isn't saying much.

FUTK!

Posted by: FUCK THIS! at December 11, 2009 9:23 PM

What, no love for Blade: Trinity?

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at December 11, 2009 9:32 PM

Love the majority of films mentioned here.
But I must admit... I fell asleep in BOTH of the Batman films.
Yawn.
Over rated darkness.

Tim Burton's never boring.

Posted by: pphilipp at December 11, 2009 10:45 PM

great fucking list - v for vendetta and sin city should be higher - watchmen instead of spiderman -and instead of wanted, barring the arguments, i'd take punisher 1, or even hellboy II - but no qualms, really, all of the above at least restore my faith in, if not the crossover of excellent visual mediums, my faith in the weed

Posted by: furtherbeyond at December 11, 2009 10:52 PM

People who didn't like "The Dark Knight" fall into one of two categories:

1. Stupid. Too stupid for your brain to focus on one activity for more than 90 minutes. You are the same kind of stupid that LOVE everything Will Ferrel does and have never seen a foreign film because you "don't like to read while you're watching a movie." Face it. You just don't like to read.

2. Contrarians. What does the general public like? Oh yeah, that. You hate that. Whatever that is, it isn't worth your time. The Beatles? Overrated. Pizza? Eh, you'd rather order a panini. The Dark Knight? It was too dark/long/confusing for you -- but you f-ing LOVED Watchmen -- it was so loyal to the comic!

Tonight, before you go to bed without brushing your teeth, take a good long look at yourself in the bathroom mirror. Ask yourself -- am I stupid or am I just a contrarian asshole? If you can't figure it out, you're fucking stupid. If you're convinced that you're NOT stupid and just don't agree with my assessment, you're a contrarian asshole. Either way, you need to go grab a copy of the movie, pop a bowl of popcorn and sit down to watch the whole thing without interruption while contemplating how you ended up such a shallow, soulless person.

Posted by: superasente at December 11, 2009 11:13 PM

Blamo.

Posted by: superasente at December 11, 2009 11:15 PM

George, you can add WANTED to the list of worst comic book movies of the aughts.

Posted by: welldressed at December 11, 2009 11:18 PM

(I really hate Wanted)

Posted by: welldressed at December 11, 2009 11:22 PM

I'm more than a little disappointed that Wanted and Spiderman 2 (both of which I hated in a huge way) were ahead of Road to Perdition (which, other than the kid actor, I loved completely). Same with Blade 2, though I did like that movie.

And I maintain that Blade was the first good comic book movie. Because the Superman movies were cheesier than gouda and Tim Burton admitted that he's never looked at a comic book, and it shows. Just saying.

Posted by: ChristianH at December 11, 2009 11:32 PM

superasente >> You and I agree frequently, but that little tirade of yours - while entertaining - is condescending and silly. It almost makes me wish I didn't like The Dark Knight at all, just so that I could describe at length how I am neither stupid nor a contrarian. That said, I guarantee there are people who didn't like it that fall into neither of your categories. That's o.k. - I become childish and defensive about movies I love sometimes too.

For the record, it's better than Watchmen, and I love both pizza and The Beatles. I do brush my teeth almost every night.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 11, 2009 11:56 PM

I have to admit I do NOT get the massive amounts of hate directed at X-Men 3. I do get that the Phoenix story was butchered to hell, but...I really had fun watching the damned thing. I love giant superhero battles and the cool powers and whatever. It wasn't a brilliant movie or anywhere near as good as X2 but I honestly didn't think it was that bad. Certainly not as bad as Spiderman 3 or fantastic four.

Posted by: figgy at December 12, 2009 1:07 AM

And, I had a fight with one of my best friends because she said she hated Batman Begins. She loved TDK but hated the first. How is that even POSSIBLE?

Her reasons were ridiculous. One of them was that she didn't know who Ra's Al Ghul was and the villains weren't "famous" enough. I almost slapped her. And our friendship will never be the same again because now I think she has bullshit taste in movies.

Serious stuff, people.

Posted by: figgy at December 12, 2009 1:12 AM

superasente >>

I didn't love the Dark Knight because whenever Heath Ledger was on screen, I didn't feel like I was seeing the Joker, I felt like I was seeing Heath Ledger acting weird. People obsessively talking endlessly about how amazing an actor is at playing a character can ruin the viewing experience...

Posted by: Erm at December 12, 2009 1:40 AM

It almost makes me wish I didn't like The Dark Knight at all, just so that I could describe at length how I am neither stupid nor a contrarian.

You do realize that arguing at length about that would make you a contrarian asshole. I myself admit to be very contrarian, but arguing against being contrarian at length is kind of like entering a competitive eating contest that donates some of its proceeds to anti-hunger causes.

Besides, being on Pajiba automatically makes you a contrarian asshole. Any site that has an unironic review on how Citizen Kane is one of the authors least favorite movies is certain to be followed by contrarian assholes like myself.

Posted by: George at December 12, 2009 3:34 AM

Posted by: superasente at December 11, 2009 11:13 PM

You are my new hero, superasente, I'm going to go enjoy some pizza while listening to Beatles records in your honor.

Posted by: George at December 12, 2009 3:36 AM

Unlike the foreign films list I don't have much to add (a list for each continent would have made so much more sense). My only changes would be put Wanted out and Watchmen in and possibly change the orer of The Dark Knight and Iron Man. While Heath Ledger's performance takes this movie higher than the already awesome direction Nolan took it in, ultimately Iron Man was more fun and rocked harder (i.e. gave you more of a comic-book superhero feeling that 12 year old boys have)

Posted by: barf at December 12, 2009 7:36 AM

Haha that was fantastic superasente, said everything I wanted to and more.

I can no longer enjoy Batman Begins because it only serves to remind me that I also own TDK on dvd and I could be watching it instead. There are so many brilliant sequences in that movie, and some great performances. I saw it twice in theatres and the first time I was blown away, the second time I stared at Heath Ledger's face trying to see him in there but all I could see was the Joker. And I'm not talking about the makeup.

Haven't seen Wanted, Road To Perd so can't comment on them. I'm glad you finally saw the light at put TDK ahead of Iron Man! Iron Man was a fun popcorn flick but it was no Dark Knight. The leaked 5 minutes of footage for Iron Man 2, however, looks fucking amazing.

Posted by: bendiagram at December 12, 2009 7:59 AM

I still say that 300 and Sin City suck. Both are totally empty comics and movies successful for their visual qualities only. And that's not enough.

You can't just adapt a comic 1-to-1 and expect to make a good movie out of it. Watchmen has the same problem, which is why it does not belong on this list. (I would exclude Spiderman 2, too, but that's just me hating McGuire and the Dunst.)
Watchmen gets good when it goes away from the original comic at the end. Before that, it's just an incomplete copy.

Posted by: FabMax at December 12, 2009 9:44 AM

Wanted was absolutely nothing like the comic. I'm with the crowd that would pull it off the list and put Hellboy in its place. I also like Batman Begins better than The Dark Knight. Bale was just so good in the first and he took it too far over the top in the second.

FabMax I loved Watchmen and I wouldn't put it on this list because the ending is so different from the comic.

Posted by: Adam C at December 12, 2009 10:12 AM

I absolutely hated sin city.

Posted by: eden at December 12, 2009 11:09 AM

Replace Road to Perdition with Ang Lee's Hulk (fuck you, it was brilliant) and Wanted with Watchmen and then this list is complete. Except Spiderman 2 needs to be number 1.

Posted by: RobG at December 12, 2009 11:23 AM

I just wanted to add that Hellboy? Was clearly a Hell Man.

Posted by: dsbs at December 12, 2009 11:34 AM

Because the Superman movies were cheesier than gouda


Oh, HEY now! Ya gotta talk trash about Reeve and Donner? Cold, man. COLD....like your HEART!

Posted by: Jay at December 12, 2009 11:53 AM

George >> Nope. I don't see how that follows at all. There's a difference between enjoying arguing when you have valid rationale and arguing for solely for the sake of arguing. I will give you that this site attracts many people that enjoy arguing. I just don't think that necessarily equates to "contrarian."

Posted by: DarthCorleone at December 12, 2009 2:36 PM

Watchmen is better than every movie on this list, with the possible,POSSIBLE exception of The Dark Knight. Wanted is a piece of shit.

Posted by: Jason at December 12, 2009 3:40 PM

It seems weird that Persepolis, American Splendor, and even Hellboy are not on this list.

That aside, thank you for leaving Watchmen (not called THE Watchmen) off of the list. If you think the ending of the comic is too ridiculous to translate effectively, good. It is. It works, seriously at that, in the comic but would not work on the big screen. So why leave all the other ridiculous shit in there too? Bubastis? What? Adapt the "unadaptable" if you need, but once you make a call on the material make that call on all of the material. Don't leave me feeling like the film is more cartoony than the comic book.

Oh, and Wanted was shit. Not the shit, just shit.

Posted by: coryo at December 12, 2009 3:55 PM

ARRRRGH! No, no, no, no, no on Wanted! It was abortion to the comic source on par with League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and From Hell.

Fine, keep The Dark Knight, I understand about that one. But X-Men2, Spiderman 2, and Batman Begins need to go.

Constantine, Persepolis, 300, Hellboy, History of Violence, Watchmen and (yes) Ang Lee's The Hulk would be better contenders.

Posted by: Lola at December 12, 2009 4:45 PM

Gonna take this piecemeal, Vermillion.

I loved Watchmen, and I thought that sticking so close to the material was the only thing Snyder could do. There couldn't be any "owning it", because it was never going to be his.

Then it didn't need to be made. We already have the book. We don't need a version of it that moves. If you're going to create something, put a little of yourself in it. Slavishly copying everything the studio would allow him to slavishly copy is an empty exercise.

If you don't bring something new to the table, what's the point?

I actually think not making it would have been the better move.

Just the book. So people were going to go apoplectic if he deviated form it.
All 200 people in the world who read it and care enough. I know I'm exaggerating, but seriously.... they make up a tiny fraction of the potential audience. The only problem is that they're a vocal, thuggish minority. They will go out and tell the world not to see your movie. This frightens studios. It should not. In honesty, I think a few thousand comic book geeks burning the director in effigy would have driven people TO the theater.

It was a brilliant book in its time. Its time is past. People who came into comics later often don't see what's so great about The Watchmen, the same way few people who are younger understand how Citizen Kane changed the way people think about film.

For the record, I love The Watchmen and hate it. It did two things simultaneously. It proved to some people that superhero stories can be artful. Awesome. It proved to other people that if you put enough sex, violence, and nihilism in a comic book, it will be loved regardless of tradition or merit. This created most of the worthless abominations of 1990s comics. For this I will always hate it.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at December 12, 2009 5:49 PM

Wanted? Seriously? These lists suck so far.

Posted by: What the Fuck at December 12, 2009 6:46 PM

I still don't like Batman Begins. It's just always seemed kind of crappy to me. Dark Knight is good, though.

Posted by: Lucas at December 12, 2009 7:20 PM

I actually think not making it would have been the better move.

And Snyder would agree. His whole reason for signing on was because he would rather take the bullet than let someone else fuck it up even worse. And after all the drama in the comments of The Road about it's literalness, can you honestly say people would have just accepted him just doing what he wanted with it?

That said, I did like the changed ending a bit better than the original. More so because the changed ending was a bit more...poetic.

All 200 people in the world who read it and care enough. I know I'm exaggerating, but seriously.... they make up a tiny fraction of the potential audience. The only problem is that they're a vocal, thuggish minority. They will go out and tell the world not to see your movie. This frightens studios. It should not. In honesty, I think a few thousand comic book geeks burning the director in effigy would have driven people TO the theater.

That could be said for any comic book movie. Really, any of them. Every single one has a "vocal, thuggish minority". Those people are guaranteed business. My grandmother may not go see The Dark Knight, but the guy in the Green Lantern shirt will. Why would any business want to piss off the only audience they can honestly depend on by outright spitting in their face with the material. When you do that, you get Catwoman.

It was a brilliant book in its time. Its time is past. People who came into comics later often don't see what's so great about The Watchmen, the same way few people who are younger understand how Citizen Kane changed the way people think about film.

Then they are ignorant. Sorry, they just are. That is like someone not understanding the big deal about The Diary of Anne Frank because there is no World War II anymore. I get if a person may not like Citizen Kane, but to not understand why it was so important to cinema is simply ignorance, whether intentional or not. Same for Watchmen. You don't have to like it, but to not respect the craft and history of it? That is ridiculous.

For the record, I love The Watchmen and hate it. It did two things simultaneously. It proved to some people that superhero stories can be artful. Awesome. It proved to other people that if you put enough sex, violence, and nihilism in a comic book, it will be loved regardless of tradition or merit. This created most of the worthless abominations of 1990s comics. For this I will always hate it.

If that is the message you got from it, that is was merely a bunch of sex and violence and bleakness, then no wonder you are so disdainful. Those 1990s grim and gritty books were the result of similar thinking. Moore's purpose for writing it was to examine not just the psychology of superheroes, but the people who read them as well. Each character was a different perspective on the human condition, no one more right or wrong than the others. There were no easy answers, except the ones you constructed for yourself.

But the main point of Watchmen (not The Watchmen) the book was that comics didn't have to be simplistic morality plays. They could be complex, dense, just as rewarding and involving as any prose. Sadly, some people only saw the curse words and the boobies and thought that is what made it so great. They missed the point as much as anybody.

Posted by: The Hands Team (formerly Vermillion) at December 12, 2009 10:03 PM

That's what I was saying. I got the message. The comic book industry didn't get it.

Or, if they did, it didn't matter. The book proved that comics with those kinds of themes would make money and garner positive attention. They didn't look at the art of it. Only the bottom line.

Being the piece of art that justifies the creation of a decade of utter crap is not actually an entirely enviable position. Hell, if Moore knew in advance how his work would be interpreted by most people, I'm not certain he would have written it.

Incidentally, he seems to be well aware that trying to film it was a mistake. That should have tipped off the filmmakers, wot?

I can like the book while hating the effect it had on the industry, same way I can love Jaws and Star Wars while disliking the effects they had on the movie industry. Effects I didn't even understand until probably 25 years later.

As for the audience thing.... comic book readers aren't even a blip on the radar in terms of movie audience. We're a tiny percentage. Mass market is the target. Excessive use of comic book tropes alienates most of that market. Hell... I like comic books and it alienates me. It doesn't work well in live action film. Film is about 20 steps closer to reality than 4 color pages. Grounding comic book characters in a believable reality is way harder, but it works for me when they pull it off. And it seems to sell. That's a win-win for me. Bring on more Bat-Nolan, Iron Man, and Spider-man 1&2, and X-Men 1&2, please.

Perfect example.... the minute I saw that Venom would be in Spidey 3, I canceled plans to see it first week and waited on friend opinion. Glad I did. Luckily, I was saved and still haven't seen it. That's not a character that can be sold on screen. It drips "comic book" out of its very pores, poisoning the movie around it like a necrotic bit of tissue.

Sorry, my biologist leaked out for a second. But I think I've beat that point to death.

On the Citizen Kane thing.... I'm a nerd. I've spent my entire adult life among academics and geeks. These people are pedantic, loving knowledge on any subject. And yet I don't know more than a dozen people who have seen Citizen Kane, or any movie made earlier than it.

The fact that the entire visual grammar was invented by Hitchcock doesn't matter if you don't watch movies that came before his influence was felt. People know that it's supposed to be groundbreaking, because smart people say it is. But they don't understand it. It takes a bloody education for a person to truly understand why. You need to sit down with a long Netflix queue and take a few months worth of evenings to really understand it. There are people on this site who have done that and will do it. These are not average people. There are even fewer of them than the hardcore comic book geeks.

To come full circle... The same sort of education is necessary to actually understand how revolutionary The Watchmen was. The doors that were opened (good and bad) in the comic industry by The Watchmen have been open for decades now. How many people go back and read reams of old comics from the 70s in order to get perspective on current comics?

Posted by: ZombieScientist at December 12, 2009 11:52 PM

I think we are in concert as to the effect the book had, good and bad.

If anything, I thought the movie was a nice form of protest against the tiny yet vocal fanboy minority. By attempting to copy the book verbatim, he gave the nitpickers and the ranters his best counter, while simultaneously giving Warner Bros. their movie AND proving how stupid the studio was in insisting it get made. I gotta respect that.

Of course, it could just be that the guy doesn't have much in the way of imagination, and depends too heavily on the original material to make up for it, but I don't get that vibe.

Posted by: The Hands Team (formerly Vermillion) at December 13, 2009 12:31 AM

Wow, no love for Ed Norton's Hulk? Even Watchmen in all its flaws still was entertaining and can be viewed over and over. It's downfall was hype and expectations and Hulk had no expectation after Ang Lee's mess earlier in the decade.

From the list I could watch 9 out of 10. The one being Batman Begins, no amount of Neeson, Wilkinson, Caine or Freeman could make me like the movie. For me it was blatantly CGI when it didn't have to be and the Gotham City in that doesn't translate into Dark Knight's Gotham. However the biggest reason for my dislike is Bale, I still don't feel him as Batman but as a decent Bruce Wayne. The voice grates and that whole speech of "it's not what I am but what I do" coming out from that voice makes a decent piece of writing come off as just shockingly awful. Add Katie Holmes who while easy on the eyes doesn't come off nearly as strong as Gylenhall in the sequel. However she does walk away with dignity still intact, until tabloids all but killed it. However, while the origin stays true to Batman's original killer and his evolution and involment with the League of Shadows I thought that killing Ra's was the number 1 killer for me. Honest if it wasn't for Eckhart doing his thing and Heath knocking it out of the park into outer space I probably would have written the new Batman movie series off.

Posted by: DookieMercury at December 13, 2009 11:56 AM

I can sympathize with that position, Vermillion. Just not my preference. I guess there's a part of me that would rather have seen a complete and utter cock-up. If the film had completely imploded, it might have sent a message that when the creator of a work says, "This is not the comic book property you're looking for" that someone should listen.

On the other hand, it would also have been nice to see the movie actually succeed in making the story more relevant to today, rather than to the past. After all... The original book is pretty damn meta. If you're not a comic reader, you're missing most of the subtext. You could probably remove a lot of that and graft in social relevance for normal people with little trouble.

Also, if the filmmakers had decided to gut it completely and re-write it as a pure popcorn movie.... the tears of a million nerds on the internet would have been delicious.

I am a bad man, but nerd rage makes me chortle with glee. Whenever a childhood is raped, an angel gets its wings.

Posted by: ZombieScientist at December 13, 2009 1:27 PM

Very good list but I'd rank X2 then Spiderman 2 just above Batman Begins.

Posted by: JaySin420 at December 13, 2009 10:45 PM

aw man, i'm so late to the comments game. would just like to reiterate the love for ghost world, persepolis, a history of violence and hellboy.

also need to join forces with the wanted haters. even if you liked the movie, it was so vastly different from the graphic novel that i no longer really consider it a comic book movie. even the screenwriters admitted that they started writing the script when only the first few issues were out, and when the rest of the story came out it wasn't what they wanted to do with it, so they wrote a completely different movie. (loom of destiny? really?) at least when they completely changed up hellblazer to make constantine, the production team realized enough changed had been made and liberties taken that the film warranted a name change, since it wasn't a straight up version of the comic.

Posted by: atinymachine at December 14, 2009 12:51 PM

Wanted? Get that shit out of here. Watchmen was really flawed but should probably be on here anyway. Or Persepolis.

Posted by: Steph at December 14, 2009 1:12 PM

Let me start by say that while I haven't read all the comics mentioned I have seen all the movies on this list, and most of those mentioned in both the good and bad responses. Second, in my humble opinion, I truly believe there isn't a sequel that's better than the original when movies are concerned with two exceptions: Empire Strikes Back and The Dark Knight. This is important, because it would change my list significantly from TK's. Lastly, I have to explain why I've left off some favorites- I absolutely freakin' loathed Road to Perdition (I felt like I was in Hell watching that snoozefest) and A History of Violence (which was cliche, disturbingly violent, and had that butt-sniffing sex scene!!!). Blade would have been #10 if it had been released in the Aughts.

Top Ten:
10. Hellboy II
9. Iron Man
8. Spiderman
7. X-Men
6. Batman Begins
5. Sin City
4. Hellboy
3. The Dark Knight
2. Watchmen
1. 300

Worst Ten:
10. Fantastic Four
9. X-Men Orgins: Wolverine
8. Daredevil
7. Catwoman
6. Blade Trinity
5. Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer
4. Ghost Rider
3. Elektra
2. League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
1. Punisher

I love Thomas Jane, but Punisher rightly killed his career. It might be the worst movie of the decade, not just the worst comic book movie of the decade. Although, to be fair, the bottom ten has a LOT of competition, and a LOT of movies from the 90's could easily beat these.

Posted by: EJ at December 15, 2009 8:35 PM

I think I must be the only person in the world who enjoyed both League of Extraordinary Gentlemen and From Hell.

Posted by: bendiagram at December 15, 2009 10:56 PM

Not only were all these movies great and deserving, but the placement was spot on as well. (I particularly liked that X2 was higher than Spider-Man 2...I'm glad others agree with me.) I do understand wanting 300 to replace Wanted though. Tough call.

Posted by: Littlejon2001 at December 17, 2009 4:51 PM

What, no Crow?

Posted by: Salieri2 at December 20, 2009 10:01 PM

Wanted? Seriously? That movie is Ed Wood-level retarded.

I'd take Daredevil in its place any day.

Posted by: The Mutt at December 21, 2009 10:30 PM

I dont care what any fanboy says, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight are grossly overrated. The only reason why the Dark Knight got so much praise (and more money for that matter) was because of Heath Ledgers last great performance before his untimely death. Yeah, I said it and you know I'm right. I really wanted to like The Dark Knight, but it was just oooooookkkkkayyyyyyy. Dont even get me started with Batman Begins (do you remember the scene when the Scarecrow was on the Horse and was about to attack Katie I-only-got-this-role-because-Im-sucking-Tom-Cruises-cock Holmes did this taser-thing to the horse and it just rode off? I mean what the fuck was that all about ??) Burtons`s Batman movies were far superior. X2 should have taken the number one spot. It is the best comic book movie of the decade.

Posted by: A Movie Buff at January 20, 2010 4:22 PM





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