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Film Reviews | April 23, 2009 | Comments (46)


Mike Tyson can spray his apologia on every movie screen in America, and it’s not going to change the one fundamental truth about the former heavyweight boxing champion of the world: He’s a loathsome human being. He is a despicable, vile, grotesque waste of carbon matter and has no business even asking for another shot at redemption. Age may have mellowed him to a certain degree, but it hasn’t lifted the cloud of delusion that hovers over him. Mike Tyson thinks that, at his core, he’s a good person; that there’s an “angel” underneath his monstrous exterior. But the guy isn’t fooling anyone, and there aren’t enough sensitive-guy poems in the world that he can read to erase his legacy.

Tyson is the story of Mike Tyson as told by Mike Tyson, which is to say: It’s a plea for sympathy and understanding, a one-sided account of his career, his transgressions, and — most of all — his excuses. It’s occasionally effective, though even Satan himself could probably spin a sympathetic version of his life if given a microphone, 88 minutes, and no dissenting voices. He might argue that he’s gotten a bad rap, that he grew up on the wrong side of Eden, and that he wasn’t well suited to a career of evil-doing. If only Satan had has a proper father figure, he’d argue, the world could’ve been saved from so much war and famine. “But I have no one to blame but myself,” Satan would declare, and we’d all forgive him because Satan couldn’t help it, y’all! He had a horrible upbringing that no amount of success, fame, or money could remedy.

That’s what Tyson argues, anyway. He take full responsibility for the mess that was his career in one sentence, but blames it on the Brooklyn neighborhood he grew up in, or Don King, or the bullies that murdered his pigeons when he was a kid in another sentence. And there’s nothing more obnoxious than listening to Tyson’s 57th mea culpa in the last 20 years in James Toback’s annoying split-screen mosaic, which gives us three or four close-ups of Tyson to gaze upon at one time. Toback’s approach is a simple one: Let Mike Tyson speak from the comfort of his own couch, or while he’s walking on a beach reading poetry, and then splice it together with the low points and highlights of his career, mostly in ways designed to extract as much sympathy for his subject as possible.

For anyone that’s followed even the headlines of Mike Tyson’s career since he fully emerged into the boxing world in the mid to late 80s, there’s no new ground covered in Tyson, only empty apologies and whiny excuses. Thanks to a mentor in juvenile prison, who hooked him up with a trainer who somehow found some humanity in Tyson, Mike rose to prominence, won the heavyweight title, and plain massacred a series of opponents up and until Buster Douglas in 1991. And then Tyson frittered it all away, marrying and quickly divorcing Robin Givens (but not before racking up some domestic violence charges, glossed over in the documentary) and then raped a young girl, which got him sentenced to three years in prison. Of course, even now, Tyson denies that he took advantage of his rape victim, while simultaneously admitting that he’d taken advantage of many other women (any way you look at it, it’s called Karma, bitch).

Given a second chance after his prison stint, Tyson once again reclaimed the heavyweight title, only to give it up after a series of embarrassing bouts, highlighted by his Evander Holyfield match, where he bit off Holyfield’s ear. His excuse: He was really angry, and he wanted to kill Holyfield. You’re forgiven! And thus his star faded, sullied by his own disgusting behavior. And, in my opinion, Tyson brought so much disrepute onto the sport of boxing that even it has suffered. Tyson was the last great heavyweight champion, and nobody has really been able to match him in terms of presence, skill and ferocity, and thanks to Mike Tyson, fewer people care that that’s the case.

In Tyson’s estimation, at least, most of his bad behavior has stemmed from the fact that — way down underneath — he’s a scared, vulnerable person. He fights to disguise that vulnerability. But at the same time, his love life has suffered because he’s never found the right woman, though it hasn’t been for lack of trying (he admits that, during his first heavyweight championship bout, he had gonorrhea, transmitted either from a prostitute or “a dirty, nasty woman” he was with). And what kind of woman would Tyson be happy with? “I want a strong woman. Not necessarily a masculine one. I like strong women. Say a woman that runs a CEO corporation. I like a strong woman with confidence. Massive confidence. And then I want to dominate her sexually. I want to watch her. Watch her like a tiger watches her prey after they wound them.”

The CEO ladies must be lining up. What a nice man that Tyson must be.

Granted, it’s obvious from the documentary — from Tyson’s current demeanor — that he’s lost some of his aggression. That he’s not as feral and intimidating as he once was. But now that he’s no use to the world in the boxing ring, Tyson would have us believe that age has brought him wisdom (though the man still has very little understanding of the human language). But in my mind, that doesn’t make Tyson any less dangerous, at least as a public figure. He once manipulated himself into the American consciousness with his boxing gloves. And now that he’s hung those up, he’s trying to draw us in with remorse. Get close enough, however, and there’s a sucker punch waiting for you. He wants to apologize; I’m only hoping no one will be around to listen.

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Comments

Ugh. I hate that man so much I didn't even bother watching the trailer.

Stop your stupid sheep whining and grow the fuck up you ear destroying motherfucker.

Mike Tyson is a festering pimple on the ass of humanity.

Posted by: Kelly at April 23, 2009 2:20 PM

He kinda reminds me of those dogs they took away from Michael Vick. Damaged, beaten and hopeless.

Except the dogs had no choice.

Posted by: courtney at April 23, 2009 2:29 PM

I can't imagine why anyone, anywhere would still consider this guy relevant, especially relevant enough to waste 88 minutes of your life on. I've had ingrown hairs that I have more interest in than I do this monosyllabic buffoon. His future epitaph should read:

Here lies Mike Tyson. He beat people up. Sometimes he got paid for it.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at April 23, 2009 2:30 PM

During the Desiree Washington rape trial, Tyson's own lawyer argued that he was such a renowned ass-grabber and woman-abuser and all-around swell guy that Washington knew what she was getting into when she went to Iron Mike's room.

I bought that but the jury didn't.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at April 23, 2009 2:32 PM

He should just (as he said) "fade into Bolivian".

Posted by: Spender at April 23, 2009 2:33 PM

I used to say that he would be permanently jailed by the age of 45. Nothing has convinced me otherwise. Anyone with that mental approach to women will continue to make bad decisions until society is done with him.

Posted by: Kballs at April 23, 2009 2:35 PM

Mike Tyson's voice freaks me out. It was such a disconnect for me, when I heard it the first time. Definitely not what I expected.

Posted by: Jeni at April 23, 2009 2:42 PM

Here is something for Pajiba to chew on:

Toback and Tyson were on Adam Carolla's podcast this week pimping this movie. Toback was talking about what a good person Tyson is, when Carolla (I think) made a comparison between Tyson's and RDJ's life. They both had money and fame, lost it, spent time in prison, etc and Toback has worked with both (The Pick Up Artist, Two Girls And A Guy). Toback agreed on the similarities but said that Tyson was a man of great character and that RDJ has not shown similar great character. Carolla and even Tyson are taken aback by this, but Toback doesn't back down much, saying only that he doesn't KNOW if RDJ has great character but he KNOWS Tyson does. It is magical.

RDJ could be a raging asshole (and almost certainly was a drugged out raging asshole when Toback worked with him) but what does that say about both him and Toback if Mike Tyson is your paragon of virtue?

Posted by: ed newman at April 23, 2009 2:43 PM

"And then I want to dominate her sexually. I want to watch her. Watch her like a tiger watches her prey after they wound them.”"

f'n WOW.

Posted by: gem at April 23, 2009 2:54 PM

Does this documentary include Tyson singing this little gem:

Some people say that i'm a bad guy..
They may be right, they may be right.
But it's not as if I don't try..
I just fuck up, try as I might

But I can change, I can change!
I can learn to keep my promises, I swear it!
I'll open up my heart and I will share it..
Any minute now I will be born again!

Yes I can change, I can change!
I know i've been a dirty little bastard
I like to kill! I like to maim! Yes, I'm insane!
But it's okay, 'COS I CAN CHANGE!!

It's not my fault that i'm so evil..
It's society, society.
You see my parents were sometimes abusive..
And it made, a prick of me....

Because that's the only way I'll watch it.

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at April 23, 2009 2:56 PM

Hmm, way to screw up the italics. Go me!

Posted by: Pinky McLadybits at April 23, 2009 2:56 PM

Nice South Park reference Pinky.

In all seriousness, I think people should pay attention to Tyson not for sympathy, but as a cautionary tale. He's such a colossal fuck up, that it is our duty as human beings to make sure it never happens again. Besides, even if he were to be put down, what could any of us do to him?

It's like watching a dog die of rabies after he killed someone, it's an evil thing, but it's such a miserable, pitiful creature, it's best to just let it die or put it down without any drama.

Posted by: George at April 23, 2009 3:09 PM

I don't know that I can think of one redeeming quality that Tyson, may, in some small quantity possess. And, quite frankly, his statement about the type of woman he would want just reinforces my position that he hasn't changed. At all.

Posted by: admin at April 23, 2009 3:17 PM

I'm still pissed at not being able to beat him at Punch Out!!. You owe me valuable time, Mr. Tyson. Valuable time...

Posted by: Skitz at April 23, 2009 3:26 PM

I mean, honestly, who is surprised when boxers go bad. We PAY these guys to beat each other up. It is a disgusting, barbaric sport, and the people who engage in it are, in my opinion, either deeply disturbed or deeply retarded.

Posted by: The Pink Hulk at April 23, 2009 3:28 PM

or while he’s walking on a beach reading poetry

I don't know...he's a massive asshole and all, but I'll have to rent this just to see him walking on a beach and reading poetry.

Posted by: henchman for hire at April 23, 2009 3:40 PM

"It is a disgusting, barbaric sport, and the people who engage in it are, in my opinion, either deeply disturbed or deeply retarded."

Well, we diverge in opinion there, I confess. While I don't care for heavyweight boxing, the lighter weightclass fights are incredibly compelling. And not just because I like to see someone get punched in the face. I'm actually a pretty nonviolent person, but boxing is yet another impressive display of speed, strength, balance and grace.

Tyson is the Barry Bonds of boxing. Someone who had a massive amount of talent, but through being a shithead and a bastard and a cheater, has stained the sport itself, and not just himself. Sure, some people just don't like it, but overwhelmingly, I suspect that it is because of people like Tyson that people hate boxing.

So let's be clear:

Mike Tyson is barbaric.

Boxing is not.

At least, that's what I think.

Posted by: TK at April 23, 2009 3:51 PM

I saw Robin Givens on Larry King a couple of months ago when the whole Rihanna/Chris Brown shit was hitting the fan, and I honestly felt bad for her. Not so much that Mike beat the crap out of her, but for the fact that she tried to tell the world about this asshole in 1988 and was called everything but a child of God for it.

Tyson's been an ass for 20+ years and he ain't about to change now.

Posted by: Carolina Girl at April 23, 2009 3:56 PM

To this day, I am outraged that Tyson was allowed to box again after being convicted of rape. Tyson seriously damaged the sport, but the boxing federation was absolutely complicit with it, because they were more interested in the short-term gain to be had by having him back in the ring than in the integrity of the sport.

Dustin, go rent "When We Were Kings" to cleanse your brain of this monster.

Posted by: Edith at April 23, 2009 4:05 PM

"go rent "When We Were Kings" to cleanse your brain of this monster."

Seconded.

Posted by: TK at April 23, 2009 4:12 PM

I read an autobiography about Tyson written by former champ Jose Torres about 20 years ago (when Tyson was still relevant). Based on what Torres wrote, my opinion of the man is that he is the equivalent of a 5-year-old. He must be constantly watched and (literally) contained otherwise he gets into trouble. While under the watchful eyes of his mentor/father figure Cus D'Amato, along with manager Bill Cayton, his career thrived and his personal life was mostly unknown. After Cus died, Don King successfully ousted Cayton, and under the negligence of King as his only "parent" (who obviously cared nothing for Tyson and only saw him as an easy payday), Tyson's immaturity and recklessness flourished in the horrible ways which we're all too familiar.

I don't blame Tyson, really. He's just another victim of child abuse - except we were all witness to the effects of his abusers.

Posted by: Perl at April 23, 2009 4:14 PM

I mean, honestly, who is surprised when boxers go bad. We PAY these guys to beat each other up. It is a disgusting, barbaric sport, and the people who engage in it are, in my opinion, either deeply disturbed or deeply retarded.

...grrr...

Have to disagree. As an ex-amateur boxer, I've never raped nor molested anyone. Hell, I've never even been in a real fight outside of a gym or a ring (not including your typical teenage shoving matches that never amounted to anything when I was younger). For most of my friends that boxed, it was more about training your body and mind to a level that most couldn't imagine.

Think about it - 20 hours or more per week in a gym all for 30 minutes or less in the ring with your actual opponent? That's not just for the fun of being able to beat someone up. That's dedication and respect for your body, mind and opponent.

Any knucklehead could go lift weights and then go out on the street and pick a fight - that's brutal. But to push yourself to understand your own limits is zen-like, without the boredom of meditation and stink of incense.

I'm neither disturbed nor retarded either. Tennis - now there's a sport with some disturbed motherfuckers.

Posted by: ernesto at April 23, 2009 4:15 PM

Not to defend Tyson's actions but his childhood was fucking brutal. The only person that ever cared for him Cus D'Amato, who not only trained him, but adopted him and gave him a loving home. Replace that with Don King who would take away Tyson's medication so that he would be more "amped up" in the ring and whole scale rob from him like he has done to all his fighters, and have him trade blows to the head with other boxers. How is anyone surprised that he is messed up? And while he has done some very terrible things, he has answered for them and served his time. There are a lot of people in this world who have done far worse and have never stepped foot in prison. I am not sure what people expect him to do? Never do another interview or try to make money on his life story? He has a family to support. He may look like a monster to me and you but he is still his kids' father and he needs to support them.

Edith- Take five minutes researching Boxing and you will find people even worse than Tyson that have stepped in the ring. It is a terribly brutal sport. Boxing hasn't had integrity in decades. The titles are meaningless and the entire system functions like pro wrestling did in the 60's. Is it any wonder that UFC is killing boxing when it comes to buyrates?

Posted by: Diablo at April 23, 2009 4:21 PM

Diablo-

As much as I stand by my previous post, I also agree with your descpription of the current state of PROFFESIONAL boxing. It's all about dollar draws. You won't see many respectable fighters on Pay-Per-View these days because the sport has been sullied to the point that the general public only wants to see someone get their face pounded. That's why all the shit-tastic MMA leagues are outdoing boxing. Noone cares about the actual sport-science and history behind it all. Just knock a motherfucker out already!

Posted by: ernesto at April 23, 2009 4:27 PM

Maybe Tyson should bite off Don King's ear. Don King is a waste of afro, and should share a cell with Tyson.

Posted by: George at April 23, 2009 4:42 PM

Diablo, don’t waste your time trying to explain the complexities of Tyson. The people here don’t do complexity, they see some guy that did bad things and think that is the total sum of Tyson.
Posted by: Guess who! at April 23, 2009 4:40 PM

And so are we judged by Guess who.
Shame, shame upon us all.
My tiny mind will now make a feeble attempt at sifting through the many layers of emotional and intellectual depth that make the whole of Michael Tyson.

Posted by: Spender at April 23, 2009 5:20 PM

Thank you. I will try not to abuse this awesome power.

Posted by: Spender at April 23, 2009 5:47 PM

Perl at April 23, 2009 4:14 PM: "I read an autobiography about Tyson written by former champ Jose Torres about 20 years ago"

You seem to have a unique take on the work autobiography.

Posted by: spazmodeas at April 23, 2009 7:48 PM

Has Pajiba moved up enough in the world that we now have studio plants commenting? Because that's the only explanation for Guess Who.

I have no interest in Mike Tyson. I have no sympathy for a man who abuses women. I don't give a fuck what he has been through in life - it's all about the choices we make. He is an abusive, batshit crazy waste of molecules and he chose to be that way.

Posted by: stardust savant at April 23, 2009 8:30 PM

"It is a disgusting, barbaric sport, and the people who engage in it are, in my opinion, either deeply disturbed or deeply retarded."
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Nothing like football. Nothing at all.
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"We PAY these guys to beat each other up."
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Oh wait ... "The other team's quarterback must go down, and he must go down hard." -- Al Davis

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at April 23, 2009 11:41 PM

Has Pajiba moved up enough in the world that we now have studio plants commenting? Because that's the only explanation for Guess Who.

No, the explanation for Guess Who is that our favorite sanctimonious troll-in-exile has returned from a new IP address.

Posted by: Tammy at April 24, 2009 9:33 AM

"boxing is yet another impressive display of speed, strength, balance and grace."
Seconded (or third, or whatever). Boxing requires talent and I wouldn't say it is anymore or less violent than, say, Hockey, Football or Rugby.

"I don't blame Tyson, really. He's just another victim of child abuse"

When does a man become accountable for his own actions, or a woman for that matter? Everyone has skeletons. Sure, some are worse than others, but that gives absolutley no one any excuse to be a royal fuck up and get away with it. I don't care how big or how many those skeletons are. Quit your whining Mr. Tyson and Man the fuck UP!

Posted by: Eyvi at April 24, 2009 10:45 AM

I understand where everyone is coming from with the anger at Tyson, but I'm definitely one who views him more as someone caught in two brains. Bill Simmons wrote (in my opinion one of this best pieces ever) about Tyson back in 2003:

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=vault/simmons/030409

Not to go all comic-geek, but he is a real-life combination of Juggernaut from Age of Apocalypse and the early versions of Juggernaut in the 616 universe.

What can I say, I have sympathy for the man.

Posted by: Gnaius at April 24, 2009 1:47 PM

Alright. A few things. I think that if James Toback didn't take time to seek out other points of view in this film, then he failed miserably. The fact that he didn't speak to Robin Givens is unforgivable.

I don't have sympathy for Mike Tyson. I feel pity for him intermingled with disgust and disdain. He makes me uneasy. I don't see remorse in his eyes. I see a man who knows he's supposed to feel remorse. And a guy that hits guys that hard and has done as many horrible things in his life as he has (think for a second on all the things that haven't been documented. Before he was famous.)and doesn't truly feel bad for it scares me.

He may have had an unimaginably rough childhood. But, that is a grossly inadequate excuse for his behavior.

Also,

That's why all the shit-tastic MMA leagues are outdoing boxing. No one cares about the actual sport-science and history behind it all. Just knock a motherfucker out already!

That is same mode of thinking as Pink Hulk who dismisses "the sweet science" as "a disgusting, barbaric sport".

It would be useless to debate which is "better" they are just different sports. However, I will say that despite the affliction/edhardy/etc wearing douchebag gym rats opinion. MMA is an amazing sport that requires as much if not more mental sharpness, athletic ability and stamina as boxing. So let's not over generalize here.

Posted by: Tanner at April 24, 2009 3:35 PM

this was not as much a film review as it was an attack on Tyson.
Granted, he is a lowly slime-ball who deserves no remorse, but I still would have liked to see the film actually reviewed instead of just skewering Tyson. His dispicable acts have already been well-documented.

Posted by: CoolWhip416 at April 24, 2009 3:52 PM

A huge problem I have with Tyson is the example this sets for young black men. Many black teens feel like they are feared and reviled for who they are and the colour of their skin to begin with. Someone like Tyson is a way for them to turn that feeling of being feared into something they feel gives them power.

Tyson is in many ways, a success. He's had his failures and a descent into self destruction, but a lot of black people live with the idea that that is the fate for them anyway. Iron Mike had it all at one point and held on to it for a while too. So why not them? If they emulate someone like Tyson, follow his blueprint for getting ahead by ruthless and inhumane methods, they too might have that glimpse of glory.

We all try to be like our heroes, even if it's as simple as walking a little more like them, taking on a bit of their accent or the catchphrases they make famous. That's why celebrity endorsements work.

So what is it that Tyson endorses. A life of great highs and lows. A career of world wide fame and infamy. And a begrudging respect (illusory or otherwise) from those who would otherwise dismiss him. And if you're young and black, wouldn't you feel that all respect you'd get would be given begrudgingly - in fact, that might even seem like the best kind of respect.

I mean, fuck me. How many icons for black people are there that don't simultaneously set a bad example for them? People like Tyson are fucking it up for all black people. By giving kids the idea that this sort of behaviour is not only acceptable, but is unavoidable if they want to steal greatness for themselves. And also, for giving racist pricks ammunition to shoot down the whole race.

Tyson is someone I can see being the poster-child for both disaffected black teens and dysfunctional white supremacists. He does damage because the first group say "this is who we are" and the second group says "this is what they are."

For fucksake, let this evil mother-fucker just fade away into obscurity.

Posted by: Bane at April 24, 2009 9:30 PM

Dear Bane,

I assure you the sky is not falling, nor do you have a high regard for the intelligence of black people if you believe that they need icons to look up to for self worth. With all due respect you sound like a complete idiot to believe that the antics of Tyson will somehow lead a whole generation of black youth down a path to destruction. Take a breather, relax, all is not lost.

Posted by: Guess who! at April 24, 2009 9:47 PM

I'll tell ya, if anybody but Mike Tyson had written, narrated and/or directed this story of the sub-human we all obviously know by now, this could've been a killer documentary- thanks for the warning, Dustin, I doubt I'll ever watch this movie, much less pay to see it.

Posted by: Larry H at April 24, 2009 11:09 PM

this is way off. the suggestion that tyson contributed to the lack of recent interest in boxing is ludicrous, and indicates how little you understand about the dynamics of contemporary boxing. As such, its clear that you fail to realize how much of what Tyson claims in the film - rough neighborhood, lack of father figure (the death of D'Amato really did wreck him), Don King - are generally accepted as explanations, not excuses, for his admittedly borderline psychotic behavior. The man is a tragedy, and it is this which constitutes his relevance when that word is so often misapplied. This review was critical without being insightful, which is unusual on this sight, and really disappointing in its shortsightedness.

Posted by: evan at April 25, 2009 1:24 AM

Dear Guess who,

your oversimplification of my sentiments and your intetional wallowing blissful ignorance says a lot about where you place importance on social issues.

I never said that Mike Tyson "will somehow lead a whole generation of black youth down a path to destruction" you turd. My worry is that there are few enough examples for black kids to aspire to and the trend is shifting further and further towards giving black people an even more distorted self image.

Tyson is the perfect weapon to use against black people. If you convince enough black teens that he is the greatest that they can hope to be, you leave the respectable roles you want for rich white kids relatively clear. And if you convince enough scared white people that every black man is a potential Mike Tyson, then you've really got them easily fucking controlled, don't you?

As for your statement that I don't have a high regard for the intelligence of black people, not only do you show that you've missed my point entirely, but also that you have a very limited view of black people simply because they are black.

We all look upto icons, by the way. To say that black people don't, indicates you feel they're not like the rest of us and also that they are all the same in this regard.

The problem is that with every good role model or icon they have, there are two Tysons or "pimps" or "thugs" or other stupid fucking stereotypes that are a lot easier to set up and market to.

The closest white kids have to this sort of negative role model is, I don't know, Marylin Manson? And he's about as dangerous as a used tissue. Seriously, there is no comparable white version of Tyson, definitely none that are held up to kids as someone to identify with.

What really shits me, is the acceptance for Tyson. The idea that, "yeah he's a bad boy, but isn't he great!" Look at the responses in this forum. Their are still people defending him, simply because one aspect of his life, a skill, a certain talent for taking people apart, was finely honed. That for some reason buys him a pass that would not be offered to any lesser mortal.

If you don't think that this is a problem for black people and society as a whole... Well, then maybe you're too comfortable with the state of play it leaves us with.

So fuck you.

Yours,


Bane.

P.S. the name "Guess who!" would indicate that you usually post under a different name, but that you don't have the balls to harden up and own your fucking opinions. So, what you have to say really doesn't count for much.

Posted by: Bane at April 25, 2009 10:56 AM

Dear G.W.,

Well, you come off as much less like an insufferable dick in your latest post.

I'm not saying you're not one, just that you seem less like one.

A dissertation? No, I'm just reasonably literate and enjoy expressing myself thus. I know it's not really the fashion on the internet now-a-days. Perhaps a few "LMAO"s or "NOOB!!11!1"s would have sufficed. But I'm old school.

I'm encouraged by your statement of giving Tyson too much power, that really is the root of the issue. I hope you're right that today's black youth are conscious of negative situations. And I hope that the number of black kids and teens out there selectively choosing good role models and ignoring the bullshit ones, is greatly overshadowing those that don't. The view of popular culture is skewed towards the opposite.

I'm worried that we were just getting beyond these sorts of terribly damaging associations between race and nature. People like Tyson make it easy to use the old racial profiling of black people are like this, white people are like that. I fear that a great many people, of any race, are blindly accepting it as truth.

Now I never said that Tyson would corrupt a whole generation, I never said he'd affect most people, I said many, and I stand by that. More than a few and too many to dismiss as irrelevant. There are still kids growing up in poor black neighbourhoods who want, when they grow up, to be just like Tyson. And in doing so, the whole process gets set back decades.

As for Manson and Columbine, you're not serious are you? You didn't like, want to ban Judas Priest albums back in the day, did you?

Also, Marylin Manson isn't a figure kids aspire to be. There aren't parents calling their kids "Manson" in the hopes that some qualities of the AntiChrist Superstar rubs off on them. He's a badge to wear, something to piss off your parents or teachers. I brought him up because he really doesn't compare to the bad example set by Tyson.

If my kids listened to Marylin Manson I'd be disappointed, sure. I'd hope they'd have better taste and I'd want to spend more time with them, make sure they were doing okay. But if they had a few posters of Mike Tyson on their wall, I'd be shit scared. I don't want my kids growing up to idolise a violent, woman hating, convicted rapist. Neither should you.

Yours,


"B".

P.S. If that's too long for you... LOL!

Posted by: Bane at April 25, 2009 10:50 PM

Um, where'd Guess who's last post go? I wasn't particularly offended by it, and I was probably just as personal and bitchy to him in the heat of the moment.

Meh, nobody's reading this story anymore anayway.

Posted by: Bane at April 27, 2009 6:56 AM

You can tell he is attempting to come off as an articulate person, but at one point he tells the audience that he took a girl into a bathroom put her on the sink and "began performing fellatio on her!" I knew what he meant, but still couldn't help but laugh!

Posted by: Chad A. at May 18, 2009 2:24 AM

I'm amazed at most of these comments on here, but then again I'm not; what bashing, what hate on a man who is obviously a by product of the turmoil and evilness of the world. The very fact that Tyson's nature stooped to such a malicious low details for me what I thought all along, that at the core of this man is a child like need to be liked, to be wanted and cared for and finding this by pleasing and pleasing. He has merely desired what all human beings desire and unfortunately not all get when they need it at the roots, which is the case for tyson and the gang bangers and drug dealers that grew up with him all recieving a horrific and sad upbringing, that from a psychology background, absolutely shapes who we will become, or at least the direction we may go. And this character, this "miserable, pitiful creature" was what this disgusting society wanted to see, and our vulnerable, pleasing, clay mold of a child Tyson produced for us with the intentions of pleasing.
I have merely described in short what this documentary has told in full, and what specific points this narrow unsympathetic author of this review had overlooked. FYI, I do agree with the "justified" counterpoint to this behavior Tyson displayed, and that being he must take responsibility for his actions...hrmm isn't that what he's done? 3 years in prison, not counting the 2 decades he puppeteered for society. I mean why hate this man? he hasn't killed, no drugs are polluting the streets because of him, he's actually benifited more to society then anyone can ever imagine to accomplish. This doc is no cry for sympathy, this is more for understandment, and by god, if your ears and eyes are open, it does just that.

Posted by: j.rodricke at May 20, 2009 1:40 PM

'Tyson' was filmed while Mike Tyson was in drug/alcohol rehab. I'm pretty sure the setting of the interview was not his personal home.

Posted by: Jackson at May 24, 2009 11:40 PM

You people are truly despicable. You have so much hate and vitriol for a guy that's done nothing to you. You all sit atop your own self-made thrones spewing your masturbatory, hate-speech. You're no better than Tyson. In fact, you're probably worse in most cases.

Posted by: Eric at May 31, 2009 3:54 AM