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The Girlfriend Experience / Brian Prisco

Film Reviews | May 21, 2009 | Comments (74)


Steven Soderbergh doesn’t care what you think. They’ll be teaching his films at USC as sacrosanct because the man knows how to operate a camera. Since the shaky cam days of sex, lies, and videotape, Soderbergh’s been pulling some highly experimental stunts. Anyone who’s ever sat through the cotton-bunting mindfuck that is Schizopolis can appreciate the mad artistry of Soderbergh’s work. But that doesn’t make it good. More often than not Soderbergh misses the mark by extreme measures. While I commend him for having the integrity to take risks — though really, with his bank account and contact lists, at what point does it go from avant garde to self-gratification? And he still fucked the bucket on this one. The Girlfriend Experience is an unpleasant romantic dramedy slumped drunkenly over lazy political commentary and rich bitching. Through a slipshod time shuffled narrative, we’re expected to give a shit about two bland emotionless twats. Like everything else that apes Bret Easton Ellis and misses, it grays out anything remotely intriguing with handheld camera shots and a constant shadow. The stunt casting of porn star Sasha Grey only reinforces that her best work is done up close and from the hips down. If this masturbatory fetishit was a first time film student’s project, it would be execrable but understandable. The fact that it came from Soderbergh makes it inexcusable. If you want to make experimental films, keep that shit on the festival circuit where it belongs.

The tissue thin story is simple: Chelsea (Sasha Grey) is an escort — a lady of the night just trying to make it in this rough-and-tumble economy. Rich fat old white guys whine to her about their rich fat old white jobs and then fuck her and give her thousands of dollars. Meanwhile, she’s trying to make her relationship work with Chris (Chris Santos) — a personal trainer just trying to make it in the rough-and-tumble economy. Rich fat old white guys pay him to say inspirational things while they sweat on him. Yes, I get the parallel that fitness gurus aren’t much different than hookers. I got that from the trailer. Most of this film could have been condensed to a short film, but instead, it’s stretched out like our star’s cooter to a ridiculously pathetic running time of 78 minutes.

The leads were cast as if Soderbergh went to a Camden mall and found celebrity look-alikes. Neither has any charisma to speak of, so what hope we had of empathizing with them goes out the door on a raft of talentless complaining. Chris Santos is a lethal combination of Mark Ruffalo and the dark haired Backstreet Boy. He went to the Charlie Day School of shrill loud talking, but missed the semester where they tell you it only works in malicious unpleasant comedies, and only if you sing “Day Man.” Sasha Grey looks like a cross between Keira Knightley and Mr. Incredible. Taking that much cock to the jaw is bound to dent it out like the trunk of a Crown Victoria with a trashing Girl Scout tied up in it. Oh god, my cookies!!! If there were ANY sort of gratuitous or explicit nudity going on in the film at all (not even a nipple peaking out), Sasha Grey’s casting would make sense. Instead, she stumbles listlessly through the film mumbling her lines and trying to act classy. She’s about as emotive as the devices often found wedged in her various orifi.

Porn stars can be used to great effect, if it makes sense in the plot. Katie Morgan was terrific in Zack and Miri — as a ditzy porn actress. Ron Jeremy’s funny — because he fucking looks weird. Traci Lords is great in Zombie Strippers because she plays a stripper. I understand the thought process behind casting a porn star as a high-class hooker. The problem is Sasha Grey. An escort is supposed to be eye-candy: smoky, alluring, sensual, seductive, Samoa, thin mint. Anyone can take beer money and go get a five-dollar foot long down at the pier. These are supposed to be angels crafted from the finest parts of mankind. Sasha Grey isn’t even kinda hot, especially for a porn star. I’m not even making the obvious attack at her lack of rack because there are any number of World Cup A-Cups. Sasha Grey looks like she’d be better off as a stand-in for an Amy Fisher docu-drama.

Soderbergh expects us to feel bad for this arsenal of assholes, these horrible people that complain about the recession and the election with all the understanding of someone who spends most of their time glancing at the CNN Headlines in airport bars. It draws half-assed parallels between sex-for-hire and fitness instructors, seedy johns and online critics, the haves and the have-nots. It’s mostly whining and empty gabbing, coupled with occasional glimpses at lingerie and fat guys lamenting. So maybe it is a girlfriend experience after all.


Brian Prisco lives in a pina down by the mer-port of Burbank, by way of the cheesesteak-laden arteries of Philadelphia. Any and all grumblings can be directed to priscogospel at hotmail dot com.


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Comments

So, it's PG PORN without the humor, the payoff, or the brevity?

Posted by: BWeaves at May 21, 2009 2:22 PM

You you're saying, this is exactly like Twilight minus vampires?

Posted by: Heathen at May 21, 2009 2:28 PM

whelp my typing skills are gone, so i'm off to get some sun.

Posted by: Heathen at May 21, 2009 2:29 PM

Interesting. The girls at Zeldalily appear to love Sasha Gray, though I am unsure if they actually saw the movie first.

Given her rise in popularity (I myself am unfamiliar with her 'work'...) I would normally not assume that she lacked 'charisma'... however you define it in a visual medium. I suspect some sort of bias here, but I wasn't planning to see this movie anyway.

Thus, my post is of no value and may be safely ignored as the confused mutterings of a random passer-by.

Posted by: Spike at May 21, 2009 2:36 PM

This movie seemed pretty uninspired from the get-go, which is disappointing because I tend to like Soderbergh.

Of course, this means it's only good news that Sasha Gray has publicly stated that she really just wants to stick with porn and has no intention of crossing over to "mainstream" movies. Girl knows what she wants to do and doesn't apologize for it, I can appreciate that.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 21, 2009 2:41 PM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's Jenna Jameson in Zombie Strippers.

As per your review, it's good to know that this trick won't being laying out $10.00.

Posted by: admin at May 21, 2009 2:44 PM

Oooooooo, yay, another movie where rich people complain about their lives and beg for your sympathies. Woooooo. Must be so hard be richer than God, mustn't it? Blagh.

Can you tell I have no desire to see this movie no matter how much you pay me? Good, just checking.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at May 21, 2009 2:50 PM

The thing that irritates me most about porn actresses like Grey (and Asia Carrera or what have you) is that when you see them in interviews and they have the audacity to act like they're little more than a human spittoon. Grey especially tries to come across as if she's really smart because she watches art films and listens to The Misfits. Oh, so you're really smart...I guess that's why you take bucketloads of cum in your face for a living, huh? Y'know...'cause you're so smart.

Posted by: Case at May 21, 2009 2:56 PM

I watched this online last night. I have no one to blame but myself... and Soderbergh... and the fact that Lost won't be back until January. But really, 78 minutes? This shit was 78 MINUTES?! I think the version I saw got dipped in Zach Snyder's SlowMo™ because it dragged on foreeeeeever.

Posted by: jM at May 21, 2009 2:57 PM

I would have gone with Taylor Rain. She's the porn version of Minka Kelly.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at May 21, 2009 2:58 PM

saw this 2 times yesterday and it wasn't good at all.. Digital films cannot show proper whites, yellows, or blues and way too much glare from rear windows. This file looks like Tape, but w/ little boobies and dick boyfriends

Posted by: Ted at May 21, 2009 3:05 PM

Thank you Brian Prisco for giving this boring piece of shit the treatment it deserves. I couldn't find one thing to like about it, couldn't find one good statement or anything of interest to say after I saw it. I wished I could have un-wasted my time, and it was just a quiet evening at home. Seriously, I can't even believe I'm wasting a moment of typing to say how bad it is - even that seems too much effort to waste.

Posted by: Cindy at May 21, 2009 3:39 PM

Posted by: Case at May 21, 2009 2:56 PM

Hmmm, yeah. How dare they consider themselves as something more than their jobs. As if they are human beings or some such nonsense.

Haughty bitch.

/sarcasm, in case you didn't get it.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 21, 2009 3:39 PM

Careful of the misogyny, everyone. It's really thick around here. Don't trip over the lonely wannabe filmmaker reviewing films and not fit enough to make a Troma movie.

Yikes. This is one discussion that actually needs MSOC.

Posted by: Get Off My Case at May 21, 2009 4:00 PM

Thank you Vermillion

Posted by: Nate at May 21, 2009 4:23 PM

People like Grey are damned if they do, damned if they don't.

She's trying to do something in a very fucked up industry, but the fact that she's in that industry reduces her to nothing in many peoples' eyes.

Most modern women are averse to calling themselves feminists, though they, of course, consider the freedoms that movement won them an entitlement. However, they are the first to disdain any woman who tries to do something that is outside of their own personal comfort zone. The definition of female empowerment is NOT "women doing things their own way (as long as they are things that I approve of)."

You will see much more scorn and hatred towards Grey from women than from men, and it's not just for obvious reasons.

Posted by: Big Daddy Bacchus at May 21, 2009 4:48 PM

Maybe this movie is terrible, but please don't invoke the holiness of Schizopolis when trying to say bad things about something.

Schizopolis is fucking brilliant and hilarious.

Posted by: Bucko at May 21, 2009 4:51 PM

There are no porn stars who could have pulled this role off to anyone's satisfaction. The masses expect all of their film hookers to be Seras or Vivian Wards, not actual honest-to-God whores, or Frankenchested platinum blondes who spend most of the movie topless and speechless.

Posted by: Friendless Nerd at May 21, 2009 4:53 PM

I've never understood where offering your body up for sex or sexual pleasure for others is considered empowering. To me it just seems the last resort. Hm, stripper or President, prostitute or CEO, porn star or .... I don't get it.

I, too, am not familiar with Grey's other movies, but judging from the trailer for this film and a short interview with her on PG Porn, I'm too bored already with her to bother.

Posted by: Duane at May 21, 2009 5:10 PM

Big Daddy Bacchus, one of my main annoyances at the feminist movement is that it splintered and started alienating people too soon. If we stuck to the true definition of feminism (the doctrine advocating social, political, and all other rights of women equal to those of men) I think a lot more people would self identify as feminists. However, due to all the baggage now associated with feminism, we just have a fractured and largely apathetic group of people who either think they're not actually feminist or that everyone else isn't feminist enough.

Honestly, I don't care what or who Sasha Gray does or doesn't do. It's up to her. In my world, every day we live without the ERA being passed is one more day the feminist movement has failed, period. We can talk about the ethics of porn and the ingrained social tendencies that guide women's lives and decisions after we have equal rights.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 21, 2009 5:18 PM

I guess that's why you take bucketloads of cum in your face for a living, huh? Y'know...'cause you're so smart.

Yeah, that's exactly why I went into porn: Because I'm not even smart enough to tie my own shoes. I have to use safety scissors and pad the sharp corners in my house. In fact, we're all braindead idiots who couldn't read a Dr. Seuss book.

Fuck off.

And thank you, Vivi.

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at May 21, 2009 5:25 PM

Warning, the following may very well be the bitchiest thing I've ever written, approach with caution.

Hey, Soderberg, remember when I mistook you for Sommers, I was wrong, you're lower than him, you miserable, pretentious fuck! Sommers may be a fucking moron who produces unwatchable blockbusters, but at least he doesn't pretend he's doing anything more than that. You make unwatchable, shitty experimental films, and expect people to treat you like you're Stanley motherfucking Kubrick.

You are worthless, nobody want's to watch anyone dick around with a camera, hoping they catch something good. You used to actually make films (Traffic), but this shit is simply inexcusable.

And Sasha, shut the fuck up. You are not the next Jenna Jameson, she may be a fuck up, but at least she has a sense of humor about her politics. You act like you're a revolutionary, when in reality, you fuck for a living. Have some fucking humor, like Jenna, or our own Jeremy.

Soderberg, I hope this costs you so much money, the only chair you wind up behind, will be at a fast food restaurant. Fuck you all!

See, I wasn't kidding.

Posted by: George at May 21, 2009 5:44 PM

Genny (also Rusty), I couldn't agree with you more about the splintering of that movement and the alienation. The earliest feminists made some astonishing tactical errors when they chose to villify many aspects of the "traditional" lives of women, and alienated entire sub-cultures of women (rural women, mostly).

I'm not sure I agree about your last sentence. What's incredibly depressing is that most people (Generation X and younger) have no relationship to the ERA because the myth of female empowerment has hoodwinked many into thinking that women ARE equal, when countless examples still exist in our society that prove that they aren't. The anti-ERA movement isn't responsible for creating a culture where the ERA is seen as an irrelevant relic - it's the commodification of the feminist movement fed to us by relentless marketing and entertainment that caters to the superficial trappings of "empowerment". It begs the question - is stuff like the Lifetime Channel a modern form of "bread and circuses"?

I think we can talk about "the ethics of porn and the ingrained social tendencies" because that could be a way of highlighting the inequity that lurks beneath the surface, and possibly spurring a new conversation about eliminating that inequity. Maybe that's too optimistic of me?

The weakness of "empowerment: is one of perception. A woman who enjoys hardcore sex, and even humiliation, who takes it upon herself to make films could be, from one perspective, "empowered". She's her own boss, she is working on her own terms. But some random guy whacking off to her movies on YouPorn might think she's just another whore taking a load in the face. That can be said for ANYONE who deigns to take charge of their circumstances, no?

Posted by: Big Daddy Bacchus at May 21, 2009 5:55 PM

Posted by: Vermillion at May 21, 2009 3:39 PM

Well, if you go into a profession where you are allowing yourself to be treated in a sub-human fashion for the sake of money, why should anyone treat you like a human? Or care if you have an opinion? You obviously don't even care about yourself, so...why should anyone care about you?

Posted by: Case at May 21, 2009 6:05 PM

Case, you're way too harsh on porn actresses. Calling them not smart just because they take bucketloads of cum for a living doesn't make you sound very smart. Many people make a living out of something which seems very simple and easy. And besides I'm sure there's nothing easy about acting in adult movies and making it in the adult movie industry is very, very tough. It takes courage, determination and self confidence to make it, especially to make it with self worth and integrity intact. Read Jenna Jameson's autobiography to get an idea of how tough the industry is.

If she does indeed watch art films and listen to good music that's a good thing which may make her smarter. We're living in the age of mass intelligence. Thankfully everyone has access to Shakespeare, Proust, Pavarotti, Bacon, Hitchcock etc... It doesn't mean everyone will understand everything about them and it doesn't mean that reading, watching, listening to them will automatically make you super smart but the IQ of people in general has increased over the years. Having access to great works of art contributes to this and the more people discover them, the more people will take at least a little something out of them. This is why it's grossly unfair to look down on someone for watching/reading/listening to them as if they're too much of lowlifes to appreciate it. If a simple factory worker likes to go home and read Wordsworth in his free time, then all power to him. He won't give a scholarly analysis of the poem but he sure can appreciate the feel, rythm and words used.

As for Sasha Grey, personally she scares me. She looks so cold and emotionless. Maybe that's the effect of all those gangbangs but she doesn't attract me at all. In fact I don't like most modern porn. The focus is always on being extreme. Back in the 60s and 70s and 80s not only were the girls more beautiful (because they looked natural with REAL boobs and pubic hair) but they actually looked like they were having fun (although I do understand that that stuff must have been extreme for those times even if it looks mild by today's standards). The films usually had a story line, albeit very thin. It also usually included some kind of humour which is seriously lacking from today's productions which are generally extreme sex scenes mashed together. I'd rather watch Deep Throat, The Devil in Miss Jones or Debbie Does Dallas any day instead of Sasha Grey movies.

I was looking forward to this movie. It's a pity it's such a mess. I think a mainstream movie actress would have fit this role bettter though the stunt of putting Sasha Grey in the role admittedly attracted my attention. I don't think I'll be seeing this one. Not until it hits dvd and I can rent it cheap anyway.

Posted by: barf at May 21, 2009 6:07 PM

...and you can kindly fuck off as well, Jeremy, you human cum target.

Posted by: Case at May 21, 2009 6:07 PM

For the zillionth time, that's not what "begging the question" means!

And Schizopolis rules your faces.

Posted by: Bucko at May 21, 2009 6:09 PM

Huh. I never realized I was using that incorrectly, Bucko. Thanks for that.

How about "It makes one wonder".

Posted by: Big Daddy Bacchus at May 21, 2009 6:17 PM

Oh, Case, that is just RICH. What do you do? For your sake, I hope it involves curing cancer or saving orphans from burning buildings.

I actually DO care about myself. I keep myself healthy, happy and secure, and I'm sure as hell not gonna let some narrow-minded little nutjob make me feel bad about myself for what I do. As Esthero put it, "Maybe if you weren't so self-righteous, You would not have such a hard time getting laid". Now, are you going to be a good little troll, or do you need me to verbally bitchslap you a little more?

Posted by: Jeremy Feist at May 21, 2009 6:24 PM

BDB, I definitely think that people have been lulled into a false sense of equality, and some of the starker feminist issues can bring things back into perspective. But, let's face it, you can have all the perspective in the world but until the ERA is passed there's still no legal reason someone would have to pay me the same amount as a man doing the same job. And while I like a lot of things about America, I'm not thrilled that I'm living in a country where the law does not consider me (or any other of my gender) a whole person.

Wow, Case. Just… wow. How is having sex with someone "allowing yourself to be treated in sub-human fashion"? Because I've had sex, and I still care about myself and consider my opinions valid. I haven't chosen to have sex in front of a camera, the way Sasha Gray or Jeremy have, but it's all just sex. Unless you consider every sexually active human to be "sub-human" I don't see how you can say the same for porn stars. Consenting adults having sex (any kind of sex) is in no way degrading.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 21, 2009 6:56 PM

Well, if you go into a profession where you are allowing yourself to be treated in a sub-human fashion for the sake of money, why should anyone treat you like a human? Or care if you have an opinion? You obviously don't even care about yourself, so...why should anyone care about you?

Since when did sex, regardless of its form, somehow become "sub-human"? I was pretty sure that many, many humans engage in these acts everyday without anyone questioning them. From your comment, you seem to say that it isn't the business portion of her actions, but the acts themselves. Or is it that because certain people do not hide their acts away in some dark room, they obviously don't know any better?

If a married couple decide to kink it up in the bedroom, does that mean they are "allowing themselves" to be degraded? If a woman decides she is going to give her boyfriend a hummer for his birthday, does that mean she is too stupid to know better? Where does it stop?

And even if you meant the more public and more money-driven nature of the business, well, it is a business. That is usually what businesses do. And they have to be public to make money. So what is the big deal?

Posted by: Vermillion at May 21, 2009 7:06 PM

George,

"Traffic" wasn't any good either.

Yeah, I said it.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 21, 2009 7:08 PM

Prisco, I usually like your articles, but this one just reeks of misplaced misogyny and narrow-mindedness about people's sexual boundaries. Not everyone loses a little bit of their soul when they fuck.

If I missed some tongue in cheek humor, forgive me. But it just sounded like you hated this movie, and decided to unload some of your opinions about the intellectual and moral character of prostitutes at the same time.

Posted by: Ian at May 21, 2009 7:11 PM

Whoops, looks like Genny beat me to it.

...and you can kindly fuck off as well, Jeremy, you human cum target.

Well that answers a lot. Obviously the problem isn't that porn stars are somehow subhuman; the problem is you feel as though you have to denigrate them to make yourself feel better.

Honestly, if not for the occasional Tweet, I would forget that Jeremy is a porn star. That is because "porn star" is an occupation. Not a personality, not a profile, not a gender, race, creed, nationality, or anything else as permanent and definitive. It is a JOB. Get the hell over it.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 21, 2009 7:11 PM

though really, with his bank account and contact lists, at what point does it go from avant garde to self-gratification?

This is exactly why I loathe Steve Soderbergh. The guy makes some awful movies, yet pretends to be some hippie-dippie refreshing indie director who thinks a shaky cam and a color filter makes an avant garde movie. But dude makes millions making terrible film starring high-priced stars who think they're gaining indie cred by being in his movies.

And this sounds particularly hideous.

Posted by: figgy at May 21, 2009 7:22 PM

How many men in this room would be a porn star if properly equipped? I know I'd give it a shot. A CUM SHOT! *Ba-Dum-Bump*

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at May 21, 2009 7:23 PM

I've never understood where offering your body up for sex or sexual pleasure for others is considered empowering.

Well I read a book written in the UK in the '80s about working mothers (in 'normal' jobs). Some women would spend all day caring for their children and doing the housework then, when they were tired after a long days work, they would go out and do an evening shift in a factory for really crappy wages while their husband looked after the kids. These women got a great sense of empowerment because it was their money that they earned. Not a gift from their husband, not household money but theirs, and it enabled them to afford a few extras for the family.

That is where the empowerment comes from, even in a crappy job.

Posted by: ChrisD at May 21, 2009 7:28 PM

And yeah, Traffic is a horrible movie. Please let's focus on the hackery of Soderbergh and not on some porn actress being in one of his movies. What the hell does that even matter? Don't you see what's happening here?

We're getting bogged down in a ridiculous 'discussion' (seriously, fuck off Case) over some porn actress (it's a job. people have the right to do whatever the fuck they want with their lives) instead of focusing on how bad a movie this was and what a hack Soderbergh is. He did it on purpose! he wants you all to be distracted! Don't let it! focus, people, focus!

Posted by: figgy at May 21, 2009 7:33 PM

Well, everyone else is throwing their 2 cents' worth in about porn, I might as well, too.

I don't have a problem with porn as long as people identify it for what it is: entertainment. But most don't seem to want to do that, they want it to be MORE than just porn. To the porn industry, it's another noble expression of free speech. To the women who work in it, it's "empowerment." And to many men, it seems, it's supposed to be some sort of how-to manual.

Yeah, porn is a kind of speech, and thus subject to the protection afforded thereof. And I'm sure that there are women in porn who actually do like what they do and don't feel the least bit humiliated in doing it. And I'm equally sure that people learn things from watching porn, though I'm not so sure I like what they're learning.

But porn is just another form of entertainment. My problem with the people who produce it and support the industry with their money is that they (many of them) seem to want the rest of us to agree with them that it's more than that. As if nobody would ever fuck or suck again if they didn't watch porn and that they needed porn to starting fucking and sucking to begin with. And if you don't watch porn, and further, if you're not game for anything someone suggests (because he/she saw it in a porno, and the people in the porno were really loving it), you're some kind of uptight, sex-hating asshole. That is very often the message that porn (and the people who love it, who are usually men) sends. Just like a lot of people act like Hugh Hefner invented pictures of naked chicks, a lot of people act like porn invented sex, or made it better. And neither one of those things is true, in the general sense. If you like porn and feel that it improved your sex life, whoopie for you, but not everybody thinks that the best way to juice up your sex life (pun intended, kinda) is to watch OTHER people fucking. I think porn has made a lot of people lazy about sex. Don't use your own imagination or, for fuck's sake, talk about anything, just pop a porno into the DVD player and see what happens. It's really pretty sad, when you think about it.

As for the movie, it sounds boring as shit. I've never liked movies that feature people sitting around and complaining about things that aren't really problems. That's why I never got into Woody Allen.

Posted by: Slash at May 21, 2009 7:37 PM

Case... you obviously have issues with women. Most likely you watch porn, then after climaxing feel guilty about it.

Or you resent women after seeing them go after other guys, and never the nice, quiet self-loathing misogynist.

Why don't you slink off and go post at the Rush Limbaugh fansite or something?

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at May 21, 2009 7:51 PM

Fuck you, Case! Not only are you a massive fucking tool, but you stole my controversy as well. I hope you catch herpes.

Let's see if I can further flame things. Soderberg, you know how people say you deserved to win Best Picture in Traffic vs. Gladiator back in 2000? They were WRONG. This just finally justifies your hackiness, and awful film-making skills. You're Paul Haggis to me.

Wow, I'm brutal today.

Posted by: George at May 21, 2009 8:44 PM

Being in porn isn't empowering, or at least not any more empowering than picking tomatoes, stitching Nikes, cleaning other people's toilets, or any of the zillion other low-paid jobs performed by poor women. While there are a handful of porn actresses who love their work and wouldn't consider doing anything else they're in the minority. Most porn actresses are just trying to make some cash and would take a better job if it came around. Putting them up on a pedestal or casting them down into the gutter ignores their humanity and shuts down any discussion on the economic and social conditions that make porn seem an attractive job prospect.
Historical note: When filming Deep Throat Lovelace was in a violently abusive relationship. It's unlikely she was having fun on set or off. Of course, few men cared about her well-being because she was in porn and therefore a "human spittoon" in their eyes.

Posted by: Inaras at May 21, 2009 8:51 PM

i wasn't expecting much from the girlfriend experience but the poster for it was cool though :)

i have been curious about sasha grey for a while. i haven't seen any of her work mainly because i don't really watch porn and also because grey's work particularly sounds kind of... scary. but she seems well spoken and different to the other porn stars in interviews. what makes me curious about her is that she always says that she considers herself to be an existential porn star.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN?!

since i'm here at pajiba maybe you more knowledgeable folk will be able to explain it to me coz i really don't get it.

barf i too think she's really cold and distant. it's really unnerving :(

Case has issues.

Posted by: joyeetargh at May 21, 2009 8:56 PM

Late to the party, but back the fuck off, Case.

By the way, there are a lot of professions that involve actually taking verbal abuse on a daily basis (the service industry springs to mind). In fact, I would dare to say those jobs can much more disheartening and degrading than a porn gig. If people have the guts and moxie to stick with those jobs, or maybe if they just need to for the time being, does that make them less in your eyes as well? Do you see them as deserving the abuse some jackasses heap on them? Since most of those jackasses operate under the assumption that job=character, would it be safe to assume you're one of those jackasses?

Or do you just have some very, very serious issues with adults enjoying consensual sex?

By the way, we've never met, but from what you've shown of yourself today, you strike me as a hateful, self-righteous ass.

Posted by: ShinyKate at May 21, 2009 9:10 PM

"can be much more..."

Gah. Angry typing. SHINYKATE SMASH!!!

Posted by: ShinyKate at May 21, 2009 9:14 PM

I'm glad I'm not the only one that seems to think one shouldn't judge someone's intellect nor necessarily their integrity by what one does. There are a lot of low-paying jobs worked by intelligent and compassionate people. Let's keep an open mind here.

It hurts my heart when people make this trigger, blanket assumptions about people. As a biologist, I could invoke evolution related explanations to posit why we do this but that doesn't mean it's right. I've worked fast food and in a major baseball stadium while going to school. People can be crude, treat you like garbage and assume you only have one brain cell because of the job you have. One needn't have a respected profession or degree to appreciate and learn any and everything. It is sad that we continue to parse up people this way. please, stop now!

Posted by: Mik at May 21, 2009 9:38 PM

Wow. I missed a lot in here. Bravo, Genny and Big Daddy Bacchus. What a lovely, civil discourse.

See how that was done, everyone? No name-calling, no hateful judgement, just a mutually respectful discussion about an actual issue.

Is this what it feels like to breathe? I like it.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverplatz at May 21, 2009 9:57 PM

Yeah, sorry I failed at that, AvB. Someone was verbally abusive to a friend (online's no matter), and used ill-informed and irrational arguments while they were at it. It set off my inner Hulk, and I'm sorry. Will go meditate with Ed Norton in hopes that I can focus my energy more constructively in the future.

Posted by: ShinyKate at May 21, 2009 10:12 PM

And Mik, I'd like to write a story about someone who's awful to a waiter who happens to be studying medicine or law at the time. Then 5-10 years later, they end up on that person's surgical table, or depending on them for criminal defense. People who judge others according their job make me just depressed for humanity.

Posted by: ShinyKate at May 21, 2009 10:15 PM

Damn.....late to the hate.

trashing a young woman in the vilest terms you can probably conjure because

she really REALLY likes sex

she gets paid to do it

she isn't quite good looking enough for YOU (although Prisco, in true gentlemanly fashion, at least declines to blame her for her lack of giant plastic tits...ahem)

and so she should not be allowed to play with the classy veterans of Hollywood?

Guys...dial down the misogyny and just enjoy your porno and perhaps one day soon we'll all have the money to pay for "the Sasha experience".


Posted by: mrmook at May 21, 2009 10:33 PM

We're getting bogged down in a ridiculous 'discussion' (seriously, fuck off Case) over some porn actress.

It truly wouldn't have mattered who the actress was, this film would still have sucked.

Posted by: Cindy at May 21, 2009 10:38 PM

To play devils advocate for a moment- sex on films per se is fine, but why any woman would submit to the sort of sex being depicted currently in porn (particularly of the "vacuous fuckdoll" variety Grey regularly appears in) is a mystery. As has been said elsewhere, a majority of what is being produced now is in constant pursuit of the "extreme" and depicts little if anything in the way of respect or equality.

Still, this is no reason to treat the participants as less than human. For a culture that places so much emphasis on individuals defining themselves by what they consume, it's funny how that attitude evaporates when it comes to the porn. Porn seems to define the performers not the consumers. Hypocrisy?

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at May 21, 2009 10:44 PM

Sasha Grey makes some great porn. That's just her calling. Maybe if she was cast/directed better. Maybe the right casting for her in something that's...not a documentary...is not at all. Maybe.

But Case is totally trolling you guys.

Posted by: HappyGobo at May 21, 2009 11:10 PM

sex on films per se is fine, but why any woman would submit to the sort of sex being depicted currently in porn (particularly of the "vacuous fuckdoll" variety Grey regularly appears in) is a mystery.

Once again, I am reminded of my friend's theory about women being able to separate sex from emotions, but men not being able to.

Ms. Grey seems to be more than capable of disconnecting herself from her job. It is something she has to do to make money, afterwards she gets cleaned up, goes home, and watches a movie. She doesn't take it personally.

Here is a question: why is it the female gets the focus? Why not the guy? Should we assume every guy in porn is some slow-witted brute who is led by his penis to screw any warm opening he finds? Do these men have self control? Are they capable of saying no? Or are they that horny?

Posted by: Vermillion at May 21, 2009 11:32 PM

And yeah, Traffic is a horrible movie.

Posted by: figgy at May 21, 2009 7:33 PM
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*fist bump*

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at May 21, 2009 11:48 PM

It's that disconnection that disturbs me.
Maybe that's her aim (in her mind at least) "ok audience, want extreme? Do your worst. I'll wait here in the ether until your done." From my experience, it's the union of mind and body, illusory or otherwise that elevates sex from plain old fucking to genuine erotica.

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at May 22, 2009 12:01 AM

Dammit, Jeremy. I checked out your blog and now I have to take a flamethrower to my computer. If my browsing history doesn't get completely wiped out the wifey is going to demand counseling

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at May 22, 2009 12:35 AM

Well, if you go into a profession where you are allowing yourself to be treated in a sub-human fashion for the sake of money, why should anyone treat you like a human?

I realize that our boy Case has taken a lot of shit and that I'm late to the party, but, I'm going to go in a bit of a different direction.

I'm in a profession wherein I'm treated in a sub-human fashion every day. You see, I work with the public. I go to work to get told how full of shit I am, how god-damn ridiculous my job is, that I'm useless, that I should be fired, that I don't know how to do my job, etcetera. I imagine that most people work in a profession in which they are treated less than human. If I worked at Wal-Mart and couldn't help you to your satisfaction, I'm sure you would have some choice criticisms for me.

Needless to say, I've learnt to treat people with kindness and respect because I know how hard it is to deal with the douchebags of the world (those of you that know me are shocked, I know). Even when I'm really angry, I can still remind myself that the shoe could easily be on the other foot.

The thing is, I work a white collar government job and, on the rare occasion when I've had to ask someone to leave my office, the response I always get is "my taxes pay your salary so I can say whatever I want!" My response is, "You're right, but I am also a person and have the right to be treated as such. Now get out."

We are all human, and have the right to be treated as such.

Posted by: admin at May 22, 2009 1:14 AM

All I have to do is look at Grey's cold, emotionless eyes to know that she truly is fucked. There is no reason for it, or for this movie.

Posted by: Rosa at May 22, 2009 1:57 AM

admin: spot on.

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at May 22, 2009 1:57 AM

admin, I think we may be twins from different mothers. I am in a government job too, that deals with the public. I am also told that taxes pay my wage (they don't, because I work for Passport Canada - funded by internal revenue only). And I get shat on consistently. On a daily basis. One person after another.

Some days I wish I were in porn. At least I'd be providing someone with a modicum (heh) of happiness. It seems more rewarding.

A job is a job, not an identity.

Posted by: popejenn at May 22, 2009 1:57 AM

But Case is totally trolling you guys.

I could come in here and post "boy I hate n*ggers" a few times in an effort to troll, but it wouldn't make me clever, or worthy of anything other than derision, mockery and scorn. Case made his bed.

As for porn, having worked in the industry (as an editor, not a performer):

1.) I wouldn't really call porn a rewarding work environment. There's less money in it than everybody thinks (those "twelve billion per year" figures are massively overinflated). If you're working the crew side of it, it's boring. If you're working the performance side of it, it's only sometimes fun, and the rest of the time it's work, and Christ, who the hell wants sex to become work?

More important to me, though, is the fact that porn has about zero labour protections. In a profession where people are put at so much risk, there's very little to protect them other than general intra-industry goodwill, and I don't really have a high opinion of that at all. And former porn actresses have it tough as a result of this, which sucks.

2.) Some (and, one might argue, many) of the actors are a bit fucked up in the head. This is simple truth. It isn't necessarily bad that they're fucked up; Sasha Grey, for example, is just your standard issue pervert-by-choice, and regardless of what you think about her pornographic work, she's doing it for herself and in a very take-charge, adult way.

But Grey is the exception, not the rule. A lot of porn actors don't start out as porn actors - they start out as strippers and then find out they get more money if they do some porn, because then they can demand higher fees and tour. That means that a lot of porn actors go into it not wholeheartedly because they love it, but because they want more money doing something else. That's not really a healthy reason to do anything, let alone something as personal and something that allows the opportunity for exploitation as porn does.

Bottom line: The porn industry could be better. It could be so much better. It could treat its performers with a lot more respect and caution. But that's not going to happen, mostly because most people don't want to acknowledge that they use and enjoy porn.

Posted by: mightygodking at May 22, 2009 2:25 AM

Vermillion> That's something that always bugs me too. Not trying to start a gender war, but why is it only ever implied that the women have something wrong with them? Male porn stars are completely ignored, every time this topic/debate takes place.
Is it some societal notion that every man on earth is such a raging hormone or utter egomaniac that they'd love to f*ck on film, so all the guys in porn are completely normal, or something?
Surely, regardless of if doing porn is degrading or liberating, if it objectifies a gender or celebrates it, this would apply to both sexes?
Gah, I've got no answers. Just a crap load of unsatisfying questions.

Posted by: ScienceGeek at May 22, 2009 2:29 AM

Vermillion: wasn't dodging your other question, just needed some think time.
From what few interviews I have seen, guys in porn (hetero porn at least) don't get the pay but tend to have longer careers. My guess is that part of the porno "fantasy" is the viewer (usually assumed to be male) wants to be there instead of him so his role becomes kind of a "fantasy placeholder" of sorts. Thus, they tend to be either faceless or ignored.

That's my theory anyway, based on what little I know of the actual industry. Mightygodking sounds like he might have a better idea, interesting post.

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at May 22, 2009 4:15 AM

Men in porn get ignored because the movies are shot in a way that make you ignore them. Men are faceless. It's the women who are the stars (and who get the large paypacket). The only important thing about men in adult films is their penis. Many think that having a large penis will get you into porn. This is totally not true. The three important things are 1) keeping it up for a long time while sets are changed, new scenes set up, the director is talking to the actors, a scene is being shot etc 2) getting a hard on even though there are bright lights on your body and camera men and a whole crew looking at you and 3) cumming when the director demands it! Being a male actor in porn is not a walk in the park.

What I find intriguing when people speak about adult movies is that they don't consider them as just movies like any other movie. It might be true that many actors in the adult industry are fucked up but artistes in general often tend to be troubled souls. As for who pointed out tht Linda Lovelace was going through a difficult time while shooting Deep Throat, that's just the calassic case of the sad clown. When we are going through a difficult time we all still go to work, don't we? It's just more pronounced when that work involves providing entertainment for others. When Heath Ledger died no one blamed The Dark Knight for his depression or said that The Dark Knight should not be watched because Ledger was going through a tough time. We see all kinds of things happening in movies from sex to violence to some really scary stunts and we accept it blindly so how is having sex on screen any different?

All that said Sasha Grey still scares the shit out of me and I still don't like most modern porn. I like watching the actors seemingly having fun. Even if Ms.Grey knows perfectly well what she's doing and loves it, then I'd just say she's a bad actress. 1) she overacts screaming things like "Use that pussy up" repeatedly which is nothing close to natural, real sex and 2) She looks so cold and distant she immediately turns me off. It's like she phones in her parts to the movie. There, instead of discussing the merits or demerits of porn, let's just treat them as any other movie and discuss the merits or demerits of the actor's acting skills, director etc. Much more interesting.

Does anyone remember when music was used during sex scenes? There are some great old soundtracks in adult films

Posted by: barf at May 22, 2009 5:18 AM

Popejenn, I was convinced of our relation a long time ago. Rage-twins.

Posted by: admin at May 22, 2009 7:38 AM

Bottom line: The porn industry could be better. It could be so much better. It could treat its performers with a lot more respect and caution. But that's not going to happen, mostly because most people don't want to acknowledge that they use and enjoy porn.

That is something that always bugged me. It is like a sweatshop. Few consumers actually acknowledge that they purchase such clothing, preferring to keep the producers anonymous.

That anonymity allows the management to take advantage of their labor force as much as they can because they have very little oversight.

That attitude, combined with America's weird paradoxical Puritan horndog mentality, is primarily why the porn industry seems so lawless. The few good apples are being shipped out with tones of bad ones.

Posted by: Vermillion at May 22, 2009 8:50 AM

Even as a porn star, I find Sasha Grey irritating. She does really lousy dirty talk, and screams at a pitch only dogs and bats could possibly find alluring. And she has this really kind of... terrifying habit of staring straight into the camera no matter what anyone is doing to her. And her eyes are totally dead. It doesn't look like there is anything behind those eyes anymore.

Sweetheart, I'm trying to jack off here. Your trashy-mouthed, high-pitched yelping, and cold, dead stare are making me go all floppy.

This chick's done so much crap, I think you'd hafta wear a bat costume and sing the Horst Wessel song while doing her in the ass with an eggplant before she'd even notice you were in the room.

Posted by: chenry at May 22, 2009 9:06 AM

Yes, not an oscar winner...While it comes across a bit flat, it will certainly be an eye opener for those who are unaware of the daily business of an escort . Would have liked to have seen more in-depth analysis of the character’s history/background. Who is she? Where did she come from? What was her upbringing like? The movie ignores these details which are usually important for a character study.

Posted by: StaciJay at May 22, 2009 10:12 AM

RE chenry: "She does really lousy dirty talk, and screams at a pitch only dogs and bats could possibly find alluring. And she has this really kind of... terrifying habit of staring straight into the camera no matter what anyone is doing to her. And her eyes are totally dead. It doesn't look like there is anything behind those eyes anymore. Sweetheart, I'm trying to jack off here. Your trashy-mouthed, high-pitched yelping, and cold, dead stare are making me go all floppy."

This amuses me mightily (not a criticism of this or other like commenters). "Act better, Sasha Grey, make me believe you LOVE being railed by near strangers, so I can keep it up long enough to get off." Wow, porn sure is awesome and subversive. Sounds like the only difference between porn "stars" and people who work at Wal-Mart is the paycheck and the perceived attractiveness of the participants. See, it's sad. I'm not sure who it's sadder for: the people in the porn or the people watching the porn.

I might have to check out this Sasha Grey (not the Soderbergh movie, and obviously, not at work). She sounds like she has the proper appreciation for the porn genre and her role in it. No illusions.

Posted by: Slash at May 22, 2009 10:43 AM

You will see much more scorn and hatred towards Grey from women than from men, and it's not just for obvious reasons.

Yes. Thank goodness men are around to level that out with their healthy amounts of respect.


I am intrigued by Grey, and I love a gal with gumption, but the fact is she comes off as trying really hard to make sure everyone knows she's smart. It's not always necessary, and sometimes it backfires (see: Megan Fox, who looks like sex and then everytime she opens her mouth it's "Not that I mind looking like sex, but sex has always been important to me, sex, and when I sex then sex farts videogames football sunday tattoos beer and I only take five minutes to get ready to go out and party!" Calm down, lass.)

Posted by: Sweetie Dahling at May 22, 2009 11:46 AM

I don't doubt that a lot of people in porn are there for fucked up reasons. But whats up with the comments about not being rewarding work and so on, hell of a lot of people do work they don't find rewarding to pay the bills.

If people want to try out porn thinking its easy money fine with me. If they don't like it, they don't have to do it again, if they do more power to them. And if they hate it, but are still willing to do it for the money, none of my business.....

Posted by: silchs ruin at May 22, 2009 1:37 PM

where the fuck is the terminator salvation review

Posted by: whyrugay at May 22, 2009 1:45 PM

Seconded. I heard it was ridiculous but I'm still holding out hope for entertainment.

Posted by: HappyGobo at May 23, 2009 1:01 AM





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