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Kevin Smith Vs. The World, Critics, and His Big Fat Mouth

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (50)



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Publisher’s Note: Red State is available on VOD beginning today. This review was originally published after a Sundance screening.

Kevin Smith has a major persecution complex. Maybe anybody that works in the industry for 17 years and reads as much coverage about himself as Kevin Smith does would have a persecution complex. But the rest of them aren’t as vocal about their insecurities. Kevin Smith airs that shit out. He takes the things he reads personally, and he lashes out at those who say them. Post hoc ergo propter hoc, anybody that shit-talks and bad mouths as many people as Kevin Smith has over the years is going to alienate a few of them.

Unfortunately, over the last year, he’s managed to alienate the very people who write about his movies, a small legion of people who are just as vocal and, in most cases, as insecure as Kevin Smith is. Since the release of Cop Out, it’s been douchebag vs. douchebags, and we all end up looking like petty little shits.

The irony here is that, as much negative publicity as it’s brought both sides, when it comes down to the actual film, it hurts both the critics and Kevin Smith. The writers have built up so much animosity toward Smith that their reviews are never going to be judged fairly. Hell, I wouldn’t have judged their reviews fairly, not until I’d seen the movie and could judge for myself. And you probably shouldn’t judge mine fairly, either. There’s a history there, even if it’s mostly in my own head. But it’s hurt Kevin Smith even more because favorable reviews are going to be judged the same way: Anybody that loves Red State will be labeled a Kevin Smith fanboy, a sucker of Silent Bob’s cock.

The worst part is, if Kevin Smith had just shut the fuck up from the beginning, and had our side not egged him on, and if we all simply allowed the thing to speak for itself — res ipsa loquitur, motherfuckers — Kevin Smith would’ve come out way ahead. Red State is a great fucking flick. Not that you’re going to believe me, nor should you. And while I’m not the ultimate arbiter for anyone but myself, I came out seriously impressed. Impressed because Red State is not the Kevin Smith movie anyone would expect; impressed that it’s a grown-up movie; and impressed that Smith has come as far as he has as a filmmaker. He made a fucking grown-up movie, folks, one with themes instead of rants, one with substance instead of dick jokes, and one with goddamn performances instead of friends fucking around in front of a camera.

It’s the performances that really sell the film. They are brilliant on top of brilliant. Maybe it even helps not to think of this as a Kevin Smith film, but a John Goodman film. Or a film that stars one of the best male character actors around in Stephen Root. Or the best female character actor in Hollywood, the Oscar nominated Melissa Leo, who — along with Michael Parks — delivers performances that transcend Kevin Smith.

In Red State, Tarantino and Rodriguez regular Michael Parks plays Pastor Abin Cooper, a Fred Phelps nutjob who does more than just protest funerals of homosexuals. He and his family facilitate those funerals by murdering the “pillow biters” themselves. In true “To Catch a Sinner” style, a trio of high-school students — Kyle Gallner, Nicholas Braun, and Michael Angarano — answer an Internet ad to show up at a trailer home for a threesome with an older woman, Sarah (Melissa Leo). Instead of getting vagina’d, however, they get drugged and taken to church service for ritual sacrifice.

That’s where we learn how truly motherfucking evil Abin Cooper is, and Parks sells his sermons with the sleazy charisma of Jimmy Swagger, the pure evil of Fred Phelps, and the deliciously creepy bloodlust of Norman Bates. It’s an outstanding performance by any measure, not just in a Kevin Smith film, and everything that Melissa Leo brings to this deranged, Bible-thumping family is awards-caliber gravy.

But where the government and the Patriot Act is involved — and the ATF, led by John Goodman, is called in here for a Waco-like showdown at the Cooper compound — there truly is no good and bad, and that’s what makes Red State almost rare for a so-called horror film. It eschews good versus evil and boogeyman versus virgin in favor of morally righteous versus morally corrupt. It’s the innocents that are the collateral damage.

I went in to Red State expecting a low-budget, grainy horror film featuring a couple of Jay and Silent Bob stand-ins rehashing Dogma between gunfire. But it’s an expertly made film, edited together well with a decent pace and, believe it or not, actual cinematography. It’s easily the most accomplished work of Kevin Smith’s career as a director, and while there is a certain wordiness to Red State, it’s more than refreshing in a genre dominated by jump-scares, obsessions with faux-moodiness, breathless chases, and teenagers sacrificing themselves to save the pretty blonde. There’s actual dialogue and real world motivation here; isn’t that what we’ve been craving in our horror films for years?

I didn’t expect to that I’d be able to sneak into Red State here at Sundance, and only managed to do so through sheer dumb luck. So I read a few of the mixed reviews after the premiere last night. Several felt hypercritical, downplaying the positives and picking at the flaws, as though guided by a need to hold a $4 million horror film up to the same standards as Raging Bull. No shit, Red State has flaws. Most films do, but in Red State, Smith overcomes them to deliver a film that should play very well even outside his own base. It’s serious; it’s entertaining; and at times, it’s fun.

Still, I’m sure the handful of skeptical critics were honest in their assessments, but in light of some of the personal exchanges I’ve seen between these very same critics and Kevin Smith, I couldn’t help but wonder if the way those reviews were framed was colored by some of those harsh exchanges. LIkewise, this favorable review could be called into question, too; I could just as easily be accused of overcompensating to offset certain Kevin Smith remarks (“second-rate website,” my ass). Hell, Kevin Smith was probably right to admonish folks for reading reviews; there’s too much bad blood between the two sides to take any of us seriously. The only thing that matters here is and that should matter is the movie, and while I think you will be pleasantly — maybe even shockingly — surprised by how good it is, it’s definitely a movie you should see for yourself and make up your own goddamn mind.










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Comments

Wow

Looks to add to Netflix queue

Posted by: Brian at January 24, 2011 3:09 PM

Post hoc ergo propter hoc

Well "post" is "after," "hoc" is... "hock," "ergo" is "therefore," so... after hock, therefore something hock.

Posted by: Todd at January 24, 2011 3:12 PM

Great fucking review. I am shaking your hand via the internet.

Posted by: superasente at January 24, 2011 3:15 PM

Melissa Leo AND John Goodman? I'm in. Don't even have to read more (though I probably will).

Posted by: Slash at January 24, 2011 3:16 PM

OH THANK GOD.

I've been pretty "eh" about Kevin Smith since I heard about his screening invitations to critics who've only given him good reviews in the past, but I have been gunning for this movie ever since I saw that trailer here at Pajiba. This review didn't let me down.

Posted by: duckandcover at January 24, 2011 3:18 PM

The other reviews I've read have been just as glowing as yours; I'm still glad you made the points you did. So now to sit and anxiously wait for this thing to hit.

Posted by: Cindy at January 24, 2011 3:20 PM

Ubi est Sofía? Sofia es in tablinio. Sofia circumspectat.

Also, Sofía est intrigued by this movie.

Posted by: THE Sofía at January 24, 2011 3:23 PM

Goddamn right. Pajiba is third-rate, at best.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at January 24, 2011 3:26 PM

I've purposely kept myself in the dark about this movie, because there was a large part of me that still didn't think it was going to get made.

Now, I think I'm excited.

Posted by: Snath at January 24, 2011 3:31 PM

Wow indeed. With all the Smith-related vitriol as of late and feeling increasingly like one of the apologist fanboys in question, I was dreading this review. Glad you enjoyed it - let the film speak for itself indeed.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at January 24, 2011 3:32 PM

I'm surprised, with all the hub bub I've read about Red State I had never heard it referred to as a horror movie. I thought it was going to be a political farce (which I suppose it still is?) Either way, I'll check it out cautiously to see if this can stand on it's own legs minus the usual Smith parade of tricks. I'm still not sure if I can trust Pajiba on Kevin Smith after the ridiculously glowing review Zach and Miri got...

Posted by: valerie at January 24, 2011 3:43 PM

Red State is a great fucking flick because........wait for it........it doesn’t contain dick jokes. Geez Rowles, I wish you were my high school English teacher. Is this what it has come to, being able to chew your food with your mouth closed? So I guess my acceptance letter from Vassar is in the mail seeing as I just completed all of the course work for my GED?

Posted by: Pookie at January 24, 2011 3:45 PM

Fair enough. I'd only read fanboy (and girl) reviews (about which I am a tad skeptical having drunk quite a bit of Smith's Kool-aid myself for quite some time) and was waiting for something more impartial from a source I trust, so thank you. Now, as I requested in a previous post,if only someone who knows about the movie business and is not up Smith's ass can tell me what he/she thinks of this and and of this, and what effects it will have on the business end of making and distributing movies, and is it viable at all, and will it actually take down the big studios I'd be extremely grateful!

Posted by: Az at January 24, 2011 3:46 PM

Az this is nothing more than a stunt. If Smith were still able to get a distribution deal with any studio he would. But seeing as his options have dried up because of his recent failures, now he’s pushing some home made self-distributing movie scheme.

Posted by: Pookie at January 24, 2011 3:54 PM

Ha! Nice one, Todd.

It's really become fucking impossible to judge reviews of his films. And it's really all Smith's fault. He's brought it upon himself.

I'll watch this some day, and judge it for myself. There's really no other way of going about it.

Posted by: Figgy "Bagels" Figarelli at January 24, 2011 4:00 PM

I think I'm sad. This does sound pretty great, and I've heard nothing but good things about the performances, but didn't Smith "buy" the distribution rights from himself? I'd read that he'd tour with the film one theatre at a time, and theoretically charge whatever the hell he wants for a ticket. If that's the case, it's unlikely I'll ever see this.

Yeah. Sad.

Posted by: Groundloop at January 24, 2011 4:01 PM

My big fear with this is that it would be along the controversial lines of Dogma, which some people thought was a clever statement on religion, but I stopped caring about right around the poop demon.

I figured the guy could probably put out a religiously/politicaly relevant film and make it work if he ever got out of his bodily fluids, Jay and Silent Bob phase. Sounds like he may have finally gotten around to that.

Posted by: Markus at January 24, 2011 4:34 PM

Are you serious Az? You're really sitting around waiting for someone to tell you these things? Someone who has a crystal ball to nit-pick over meaningless to anyone other than geeks details, rather than, you know, actually go see the movie and wait for whatever results?! Kevin Smith sounds like a whiny little bitch of late but maybe he has a point that sometimes you have to pull your head out of your ass and just go see the movie for yourself. It's like the local news when there's a big weather event going on, and you've spent 4 hours in front of your TV watching their opinions and "analysis" on a bunch of snow. At some point the most effective thing to do will be to get off your ass, go outside, and experience it for yourself. After all, it's only snow. And forgive me if you were just being facetious. That's what I'm hoping, because otherwise, my God!

I think this movie sounds great, and assuming it will make it to a theater near me, will try to catch it. The rest is noise. It's not like he's the first difficult director ever.

Posted by: katy at January 24, 2011 4:41 PM

I'm glad you liked this, Dustin. I read a few reviews before yours, and I wasn't sure what to make of them since they seemed kind of biased. This sounds like a fair assessment of the film... But like Groundloop, I just don't know whether I'll ever get to see it in a theatre, seeing as that's a pretty unorthodox release thing Smith has going on.

Posted by: b at January 24, 2011 4:44 PM

@Az. I checked out the links you posted and the "RED STATEMENT" contradicts what I had read this morning in Drew McWeenys review over at HitFix. Now, having read Smiths idea for a new distribution model, I still think it's unlikely that I'll see this in a theatre, because really, how many fucking t-shirts is he going to sell? Even assuming a 100% profit on each shirt ($10 wholesale cost), he needs to sell 250 shirts for each print. And the idea of "Buy a shirt to finance the distribution of my movie so that you can then pay to see it", just seems a little skeevy to me.

Posted by: Groundloop at January 24, 2011 5:07 PM

This seems like the first original Smith movie in a long while -- not one copying something he did better in another movie like Mallrats did Clerks or Jersey Girl did Chasing Amy.

I'll gladly go see this.

Posted by: Fredo at January 24, 2011 5:17 PM

Ritual sacrifice is totally the new raped by the devil for intelligent religious horror films. As much as Smith's antics pissed me off, that poster of Melissa Leo brought me onto the side of this film. I eagerly await the live auction bidding war to see if anyone will bite when Smith makes them dance in public.

Posted by: Robert at January 24, 2011 5:44 PM

There was no live auction bidding war. It was a hoax. Smith bought the rights for $20 and is distributing it himself.

Posted by: Drew Morton at January 24, 2011 5:53 PM

Well that's good. I've been excited for this thing for years.

Posted by: Lucas at January 24, 2011 6:16 PM

@ Pookie: Maybe it wasn't a stunt. The movie did have buzz going in and I'm sure someone would have picked up the distribution rights. Again, I know nothing about the movie business so I was hoping for some insight as to how it works.

@katy: I like information. If I want to see a movie, I will - reviews regardless - like I did last night with this terrible Mexican film. I guess I should have heeded the reviews! But I do like some info going in. And if the weather event is cold,I'm staying in. I'm allergic to cold,I get rashes,it's pretty spectacular.

@Groundloop: There is going to be a USA tour of the film previous to the distribution, I'm assuming to raise money for said distribution. As for fans buying merchandise to help with the distribution Smith's fans will always buy merchandise and tickets to anything that includes a Q&A or personal appearance by him. Tickets to his 37th prom themed birthday 3 years ago were $400 a pop and they sold out. He has some of the most zealous fans I've ever seen. And even if the distribution isn't as broad as it could have been just think of all the cash he is going to make off the DVDs from people who wanted to see the movie in the theater but were unable to do so, either because they didn't have geographical access to it or because it was too pricey. Either way, it's a win-win for him.

Posted by: Az at January 24, 2011 6:21 PM

It makes me hot when bloggers mix Latin with swears. Actually, I think Dustin may be the only blogger I've seen to mix Latin with swears.
Rawr.

Posted by: Ophelia at January 24, 2011 6:41 PM

All this Latin makes me so happy inside. Quick, somebody stop me before I spend precious minutes of my life declining nouns and conjugating verbs. *twitch* Now I'm thinking about my high school Latin teacher, a former Marine sniper in his mid-30s, who dressed in Hawaiian shirts on a daily basis and yelled "holler!" at every black kid in school with no irony whatsoever. I loved him oh so dearly.

Posted by: Dingles at January 24, 2011 7:22 PM

So Smith dangled his teat out then ripped it away before the Weinsteins got a single drop of milk? Bullshit. He planned on releasing it straight to DVD and skipping the theaters before announcing the auction, too. I hope he changes his mind on that one.

Posted by: Robert at January 24, 2011 7:38 PM

I would go to this in a heartbeat, I'm seeing ticket prices at around $80 a seat. I've got rent due and I'm losing my job, so that's not going to happen.

Posted by: Lucas at January 24, 2011 9:57 PM

Todd: Post hoc ergo propter hoc = "after it, therefore because of it".

Not sure about res ipsa loquitor, though. Anyone?

Posted by: Dill The Devil at January 24, 2011 10:01 PM

I've been happily oblivious to all this shit and will continue to do so. His movies are good and that's all that matters. I do miss Jay though.

Posted by: sailboat at January 24, 2011 10:16 PM

Res ipsa loquitor = "the thing speaks for itself" (commonly used by lawyer types but, in this context, could be interpreted as "Smith shoulda kept his mouth shut and let his art do the talking")

Posted by: agent bedhead at January 24, 2011 10:20 PM

@pookie ("If Smith were still able to get a distribution deal with any studio he would.")

i'm not sure why he wouldn't be able to get a distribution deal. His gross's have risen steadily over the years, and the smegma that cop out was made money. studio's don't care if he's an asshole, in fact they would probably encourage all his snitty baby bullshit because it generates noise.

and really low budget horror movies are code for easy money to studios.

Posted by: idleprimate at January 24, 2011 10:57 PM

I'm with sailboat.

Posted by: cinekat at January 25, 2011 10:08 AM

I'm with spaceship.

Posted by: RobP at January 25, 2011 11:15 AM

...

Wait.

What are we talking about?

Posted by: RobP at January 25, 2011 11:16 AM

I had a feeling this was going to be worth seeing, regardless of how good it ended up being. From the trailer alone, it was pretty clear that this was going to be Kevin Smith trying. As far as I'm concerned, considering his last 5 movies, if the execution ended up well that would just be a bonus.

@Groundloop: I'd be willing to pay for a shirt to help get the movie released, but you're right, I'd expect at least one free ticket out of the deal. The first act would make me an investor, and when does an investor pay to his the movie s/he's invested in?

Posted by: RobP at January 25, 2011 11:21 AM

Cool.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at January 26, 2011 2:07 AM

Haha! Well done Kevin Smith!

Posted by: Red State at March 8, 2011 11:51 PM

I have been looking forward to this movie since it was just a glimmer in KS's brain years ago. I woke up this morning, scurried to my teevee and FINALLY got to watch it on VOD. It really is pretty terrific, and with the exception of the casting of his wife, there isn't a hint of Smithiness in this movie.

My only complaint is that because Smith has so many damn podcasts, it was hard not to be spoiled. I wish I could have gone into it ignorant, but...oh well.

I say see it. It's a conversation started to be sure.

Posted by: Skyler Durden at September 1, 2011 12:21 PM

I was intrigued by the trailer, because of all the hubub around it I didn't really know what it was about so the trailer was a refreshing surprise. I might check this out

Posted by: Nadine at September 1, 2011 1:22 PM

So, the actors 'performances transcend Kevin Smith.'

Wow, what a ringing, nay CLANGING endorsement. Being as the heavyweight acting talent of Smith's films have included Traci Lords, Jason (I shriek every one of my lines no matter what!!!!!!!) Lee, Jason Mewes, Kevin Smith, Chris Rock and oh yeah, George Carlin, that's the equivalent of saying that your own puke doesn't smell as bad as a combo of your own puke and your own shit.

How many shit/fart/piss jokes were there?

How often did Mewes suddenly appear on screen and bleat/shriek/screech 'SSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE BBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBBOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!' and then grab the tits of whatever slut actress was on screen with him?

Posted by: ILOVE Penis at September 1, 2011 2:30 PM

Dogma, Cop Out, Jay and Silent Bob Go To Hollywood and Strike Out and Bounce Back...I was really starting to hate Kevin Smith so I hope he redeems himself. And Kevin Smith, please don't ever put Tracy Morgan in a film ever again. HE IS AWFUL!!!

Posted by: kirbyjay at September 1, 2011 4:47 PM

Sorry, but after seeing this, I cannot agree with this review.

Red State is a turd. The performances are really good, and Smith nows how to shoot and edit action scenes. But what makes this thing so abysmally bad is the story. There simply is no-one to root for in this whole mess, except maybe the children. None of the characters has any redeeming qualities to them, be it the insane church members, the murderous ATM brass, the spineless field agents or the cowardly teenagers leaving one another to die.

What is the point of this movie? To tell us that people are all bad? That's stupid, and you all know it. There are so many gaping plot holes in the story that it's not even funny. Why does the teenager not shoot the reverend while he has the chance? He doesn't even try to get his friend free. Why does the blond girl not take the children with her the first time she gets out? And the biggest one: Why would the field agents even consider acting on an assassination order from high up? And that's not even considering the totally batshit crazy idea that an order like this would be given, and for that reason.

I could accept it if this movie was supposed to be a grotesque or a satire. But it's not, because it's not over the top enough for that. Smith wants the viewer to believe that this could happen in real life.

Posted by: FabMax at September 3, 2011 4:40 PM

And that's not even considering the totally batshit crazy idea that an order like this would be given, and for that reason.
Posted by: FabMax at September 3, 2011 4:40 PM

Look up the Waco siege. That's what Kevin Smith is referencing.

Posted by: JB at September 3, 2011 10:51 PM

I saw Red State on the weekend, and loved it. Bravo Kevin, it's a great fucking movie. Really. Redemption in spades. Bra-fucking-vo. Brilliant.

Posted by: Fuckchop at September 4, 2011 7:15 AM

@JB: I know what Smith was referencing. But do you really think that one high-up ATF agent would gave the order to actually kill every person in that house, even the children, because - quote - "Fuck'em"?

In Waco, the children's death were either the result of a fire started by the Koreshites or through the careless use of CS gas by the ATF. But there is no evidence that the ATF had the order to kill all the people in that house.

Posted by: FabMax at September 4, 2011 12:57 PM

Are you serious? It is absolute rubbish. I got about 40mins into it before I removed my eyeballs with an ice cream scoop and put them in the freezer.

And I am...nay, was a Kevin Smith fan.

Posted by: Justin Jonathon at September 9, 2011 5:50 PM

Yeah... this is not a good movie. Mr. Smith (and Rowles?) needs to get over himself.

Posted by: seth at October 24, 2011 11:20 AM

I love the run down of all these videos! When I saw your new twitter account, I was a little confused. Thanks for clearing it up!

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