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By Daniel Carlson | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (99)



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There’s a pleasing serendipity to the fact that Machete is being unleashed on an innocent public in the same summer that saw Inception and The Expendables, because it’s the central questions posed by those earlier films that define the new one: namely, “What’s the nature of reality?” and “Wait, is this a joke?” Machete is tougher to pin down than any film in recent memory, and remains elusive long after the credits roll. It’s not an action movie, or at least not as action films are understood; too many of the fights rely on comic gags that would make Mel Brooks cringe, and the suspension of disbelief is so great that none of the violence has any consequence. But it’s also not a comedy; there are far too few punch lines, and in fact every bit of dialogue is usually nothing more than part of a careless expositional dump meant to quickly push through a tangled web of half-cooked plots. The best way to describe it is as an intentionally bad drama meant to be enjoyed ironically as a comedy. No one is expected to take the action seriously, and no one is expected to think the jokes are any good. The entire point is to knowingly say, “Yes, it surely would be funny if someone made a movie like this and actually thought it was good, but this is intentionally bad, for reasons left undefined.” Watching Machete is like nodding smugly for 100 minutes in a hall of mirrors, with nothing but fragmented glimpses of hollow satisfaction as a reward.

The film’s history is as convoluted and questionable as the final product would have you expect. It began as a fake trailer attached to Grindhouse, the double-feature experiment cooked up in 2007 by Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino. The two halves of Grindhouse — Rodriguez’s gory Planet Terror and Tarantino’s kinetic Death Proof — were ontological mindfucks that drew their inspiration and style from the shlocky exploitation flicks of the 1970s that had so powerfully informed the two directors’ works up to that point. They weren’t so much send-ups as they were hypothetical films, exercises in wondering what might have happened if the directors had been alive 30 years prior. The faux trailers packaged with the films were similarly goofy, meant to be nothing more than outlandish spoofs only slightly more unbelievable than the forgotten B-pictures of the era: Rob Zombie’s Werewolf Women of the SS pretty much sums it all up. The fake ad for Machete, also by Rodriguez, was ridiculously over-the-top, showing Danny Trejo as a mercenary hired to kill a senator only to find himself on the warpath after being double-crossed. It was hilarious precisely because Rodriguez seemed to be acknowledging how absurd it would be if the movie being advertised was real. He was right, of course — the feature is absurd — but the bigger head-scratcher is: Does he even care? The movie recycles story and footage from the faux trailer, so how much of it is intended to be real entertainment and how much is just the director laughing at a joke only he thinks is funny?

But as interesting as it is to get lost in the nature of just what exactly Rodriguez is trying to do, it’s important to note what he’s failed to do: make a good movie. Machete is plagued not only by a curious love for trashy films that manifests itself in flatly delivered meta-jokes, but by a general lack of skill, clarity, talent, energy, and everything you hope to see at the theater when the lights go down. The central plot involves Machete (Trejo) being hired by Booth (Jeff Fahey) to kill Senator McLaughlin (Robert DeNiro), a congressman from Texas who wants to build a giant electrified fence along the U.S.-Mexico border and who gets his kicks hunting illegals with a team of vigilantes led by Stillman (Don Johnson). Rodriguez is trying for political satire, but it’s a tough sell when his call for immigrants’ rights is intercut with, say, sex scenes designed to re-create porn from the Nixon administration.

The story itself only gets messier. Once Machete finds out he’s been double-crossed, he gets help from Luz (Michelle Rodriguez), who runs an underground aid network to get people across the border and find them jobs. He also leans on Santana (Jessica Alba), an immigration officer who’s been trying to catch Luz in the act of transporting immigrants, and his brother (Cheech Marin), a priest who used to be just as much a killing machine as Machete. Plus there’s Booth’s daughter, April (Lindsay Lohan), a coke fiend who winds up getting high at the drug houses her dad is running on the side. (Her casting in such a role is either an attempt to make light of her personal troubles or a cruel joke at their expense; your guess here is as good as mine.) And let’s not forget Torrez (Steven Seagal), the supervillain somehow behind it all, who killed Machete’s wife and daughter a few years earlier and remains the mercenary’s number one target for revenge. It’s Machete’s ostensible goal to clear his name, beat the bad guys, and kill them in ascending order of evil, but to pretend that the film had such focus and clarity is a kind lie. Robert Rodriguez co-wrote with cousin Alvaro and shares directing credit with Ethan Maniquis, and that division of talent shows up in the finished film, which tries to squeeze in about three plots too many. Similarly, the editing and directing are downright ugly: the action scenes don’t offer any geography or excitement, and each scene is stapled to the ones before and after it with no thought to telling a tale. It’s not as if that many heroes and villains were necessary for Machete to be what Rodriguez wanted it to be. The film is nothing more than a chance to excuse cheap filmmaking by claiming it’s an aesthetic homage to days gone by, so it’s not like Rodriguez had to trot out such a convoluted and increasingly stupid series of plot twists. Then again, he can just claim that such poor planning is a high-concept nod to grindhouse flicks, but that kind of lazy defense can be done ad infinitum, and after a certain point it just doesn’t work.

Machete spends most of the film’s plodding 100 minutes laying epic waste to various henchmen with an assortment of knives, taking breaks to engage in frequent bouts of lovemaking set to stereotypical porn music. He doesn’t so much drive the plot as he glides through it, unaffected by his surroundings. Rodriguez wants Machete to be a mythical hero capable of inspiring those with whom he comes in contact, but he’s too busy turning him into a punch line born of scorn-laced nostalgia to make him worth caring about. The film beats the same relentless tone from beginning to end, but it’s not a fun one. Rodriguez doesn’t want any of this taken seriously, and more than that, he laughs at the fact that movies like this ever were. He’s trying to manufacture camp, disregarding the problematic truth that you can’t commodify accidental weirdness, and any attempt to reverse-engineer a cult hit will never be anything but a plastic suffocation. This isn’t a badly dated exploitation film with earned schlock status, just a heartless attempt to re-enact one for cheap laughs and a quick buck. Neither naïve nor passionate enough to put his soul into anything, Rodriguez instead makes a film that’s cold, bitter, and worthless. When Machete finally rides off into the sunset, it’s a mercy. May he journey far and never return.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba and a member of the Houston Film Critics Society, as well as a TV blogger for the Houston Press. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

sounds like it was going for a concept similar to Black Dynamite but couldn't pull it off as well as that movie did. would you say that sounds about right or is machete a different beast altogether?

Posted by: Sinnh at September 3, 2010 11:17 AM

For some strange reason I thought the fake trailers in "The Kentucky Fried Movie" were of the same caliber as the ones in "Grindhouse" and at least they took themselves as the spoofs they were. There was the disaster movie send-up "That's Armageddon!", the edgy porn "Catholic Schoolgirls in Trouble", the Blaxploitation, "Cleopatra Schwartz" and the "Enter the Dragon" kung-fu mini spoof 'Fistful of Yen" And though I must admit I would have loved to have seen a crack taken at a feature length "Cleopatra Schwartz", (I have a feeling "Black Dynamite" got some inspiration from it), I also realize it was a joke most entertaining as a trailer for a movie never seen. There just wasn't enough material to stretch 3 minutes into 90. From the sound of this review, it would seem the same might be said for "Machete".

Posted by: bleujayone at September 3, 2010 11:23 AM

Bummer, I wanted this to be good.

Posted by: Mebe at September 3, 2010 11:30 AM

Also Black Dynamite was amazing! It's hard to reverse engineer camp, but it's not impossible.

Posted by: Mebe at September 3, 2010 11:32 AM

That makes me sad. Robert Rodriguez made one of my favorite movies of all time, Desperado. He came across as so creative and the editing style of his early films was so dynamic. His early work demonstrated that something could be cheap without looking cheap. In fact, the whole ethic behind El Mariachi was that audiences should expect more from a low budget film.

Posted by: ecp at September 3, 2010 11:35 AM

Well, it looks like Grindhouse 2 and that appears to be what we got. What a freaking waste. Pass.

Posted by: TylerDFC at September 3, 2010 11:35 AM

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Posted by: wolton at September 3, 2010 11:42 AM

"Mexican't", huh, Carlson? That's one of the favorite "jokes" of anti-immigration racists and even of casual racists (y'know, the ones who proclaim to not be racist but think it's funny to make jokes...). It's also an unfunny and lazy way to headline a review of a film you don't like. Nothing wrong with not liking it (it probably IS gonna suck), but in the current climate of more than 50% of the US agreeing with the bullshit that is SB1070, I expected more from Pajiba/it's contributors.

Posted by: Carlos at September 3, 2010 11:49 AM

Well, it is a Robert Rodriguez quote.

Posted by: Jay at September 3, 2010 11:56 AM

Calm down Carlos, it's a joke from the trailer, nothing more.

Posted by: The_wakeful at September 3, 2010 11:58 AM

The best way to describe it is as an intentionally bad drama meant to be enjoyed ironically as a comedy... Watching Machete is like nodding smugly for 100 minutes in a hall of mirrors, with nothing but fragmented glimpses of hollow satisfaction as a reward.

You mean an Austin filmmaker made a movie that is unabashedly "oh-this-is-so-ironic-i-snorted-into-my-PBR" hipster fare?

Get outta town!

Posted by: Lennon at September 3, 2010 12:04 PM

So, they made a fake movie from a fake trailer and it's fake good?

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Posted by: Lolo at September 3, 2010 12:23 PM

Mexican't is also from Once Upon a Time in Mexico.

Maybe Rodriguez is one of those directors who should actually be a DP. I love his commentaries, though, because he's so into the technical aspects of film and so eager to share them. Maybe that's just the engineer in me.

I do genuinely really like a lot of his movies, but it's pretty easy for him to get in over his head when he goes too high-concept.

Posted by: Eep at September 3, 2010 12:43 PM

ooh, sorry to hear that Lolo.

WTF spambots??

Posted by: banana at September 3, 2010 12:44 PM

How can you have Jeff Fahey and Cheech Marin in a movie and not have it be campolicious. HOW!??!

-Frob

Posted by: frobme at September 3, 2010 1:08 PM

Telling someone who's upset about a stereotype to calm down. Nice!

Posted by: sansho1 at September 3, 2010 1:18 PM

Thanks for the heads up. I wanted to see Winter's Bone tonight anyway.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at September 3, 2010 1:19 PM

Telling someone who's upset about a stereotype to calm down. Nice!

Johnny Depp delivers the line "are you a Mexican or a Mecican't" to Danny Trejo (star of Machete) in the movie Once Upon a Time in Mexico... directed by the guy who directed Machete

Playing off this line for the title of a review of a movie directed by the same guy and starring the same guy is hardly the same as perpetuating a stereotype.

It's using an easily recognized line to instantly sum up the review.

In short (TL;DR) - Remove head from ass, then type.

Posted by: Lennon at September 3, 2010 1:27 PM

Boo! Waitaminnit, that isn't strong enough.

*climbs on top of office building with an albino shouting gorilla*

BOO!

I was going to see this tonight if it was any good. Onto the Netflix queue it goes.

Posted by: stardust at September 3, 2010 1:40 PM

Did you see as of today, they are doing away with Netflix community features outside of reviews and rankings? No big deal, if you ask me, but they are trying to work out whether they outsource community features to sites like Jinni or something else. Personally, i don't like the interface for ANetflixcommunity.ning, but I still like the scroll that let's you see what people just saw and queued. Jinni already lets you sync your ratings from Netflix with their site, and I do prefer their 'movie genome' approach, if only they razzle up their friends module.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at September 3, 2010 2:08 PM

Watching Machete is like nodding smugly for 100 minutes in a hall of mirrors, with nothing but fragmented glimpses of hollow satisfaction as a reward.

Words cannot express how much that makes me smile. That has got to be the best analogy I've ever heard. Nice turn. Nice turn.

Posted by: JustKidding at September 3, 2010 2:18 PM

The first question that pops up in my head after reading that review is "Has Rodriguez spread himself too thin to actually do any good?" At one point he was attached to direct Predators, but he instead opted to become a producer. Now he's sharing director's credit in this movie with someone else while also setting up the next Spy Kids.

And this is a guy who years ago used to write, score, edit and direct every movie he made.

As for the inherent qualities of what began as a B-movie joke trailer, I think its sensibilities are likely placed right where they need to be. The mistake may be to try and give it some timeliness by making it about the current immigration debate. Whatever happened to just making a simple, straightforward, fun movie?

Posted by: Fredo at September 3, 2010 3:48 PM

Dude may not have known that. Or, may have known and didn't like that it was a laugh line in the source material. OR, may have known, thought the term was commonly known as disparaging to his ethnicity, and thus was as upset as a black person would be to see an article titled "N****r".

So, yeah, point out the source material and say that was the reason for the title. But when you tell someone upset about a disparaging term concerning their ethnicity to calm down, what they may hear is "Calm down (you overly sensitive ethnic person)". That's what I'd hear, anyway.

Posted by: sansho1 at September 3, 2010 4:18 PM

I nodded smugly for 100 minutes (plus 15 minutes for trailers and stuff), took the film for what it was. & enjoyed it.
I also got in free, so maybe that's why..,

Posted by: Sly D. at September 3, 2010 4:55 PM

This comes from the same person that made Predators, not hard to imagine it would be a bad movie.

Posted by: Candy at September 3, 2010 4:56 PM

So, let me get this straight...you're comparing "Mexican't" to "N***er"? Seriously? Seriously? How is that even the same? Since when is "Mexican" a bad word...and made even worse by adding a "T"? Christ, it's not like the title of the article was "Wetback in the Saddle Again" or "Rice and Beaner Luck Next Time." (slurs only used for effect...I apologize).

Christ, get over it...

Posted by: Case at September 3, 2010 5:43 PM

I'm not upset. I'm just, you know, trying to understand why someone else was, rather than not thinking at all about it and dismissing it out of hand. That was my stab at doing so.

Is a slur only a slur once you become aware of it, Case? Seems like this might be that moment, then.

("Get over it"...it's the new "calm down"!)

Posted by: sansho1 at September 3, 2010 6:43 PM

"Watching Machete is like nodding smugly for 100 minutes in a hall of mirrors, with nothing but fragmented glimpses of hollow satisfaction as a reward."

I haven't read the whole review yet, but I want to settle down and start a family with this sentence.

Posted by: Groundloop at September 3, 2010 7:02 PM

The "slur" question is a good one, I think I'd have a hard time defining that. But I'd have really been put off myself by that starkly anti-humorus title if the "inside joke" hadn't been 'splained in the comments.

Big disappointment, I was hoping it would be great, but the review honestly answers the curiosity I had for it when watching the trailers.

That was another brilliant review, but after being pumped up to see this, I know Carlson's stuff well enough to appropriately be ready for an underwhelming experience.

Kill the messenger, I say.

Posted by: abliac at September 3, 2010 7:34 PM

So let me get this straight, there's a movie out now that shows Mexicans as assassins, drug lords, human traffickers and corrupt priests and all you can bitch about is a throwaway line from another Mexploitation movie being used as the header for it's review?

Get yer head out of yer ass, Carlos.

I don't see anyone getting all hampty about the white guy stereotypes that this churro is glazed with!

And how exactly is "Mexican't" a fucking insult anyway?

/rant

I am not a fan of the Grindhouses, nor of lazy camp '70s homage bullshit. I'm sorry, if you want to call it nostalgia, fine, but those movies being sent up sucked then and they still suck and making a semi-serious spoof of shitty movies is about as entertaining as the source material.

Posted by: Protoguy at September 3, 2010 9:02 PM

Well, I loved it. It's a B-Movie playing up on the revenge drama with the added complication of US immigration policy. I thought it worked very well. The violence was intended to be cartoonish; the performers, charactures. It was the moments where Rodriguez chose to betray the B-Movie standards that were the standouts. For example, Rosario Dawson has a wonderful scene opposite Jessica Alba that rings truer than anything in the film.

I take this review to be like the critical reaction to Death Proof. Some people didn't get that Rodriguez and Tarantino weren't producing a comedy film in Grindhouse and tended to favor Planet Terror as the superior entry because it was a cheesy horror film. Tarantino dug into the exploit files to do car/women in peril hybrid that relied a lot on the audience paying attention and absorbing minor details that had big payouts later. Machete was more sophisticated than even I expected (a big plus in my book) and it will suffer critically because of it. No one wanted to turn their brain on to see Danny Trejo kill people with a machete and not everyone can adjust to that kind of betrayal of expectations.

This is one of the few overtly negative reviews out there, and I understand why someone might not like it. I just strongly disagree with this line of reasoning.

Posted by: Robert at September 3, 2010 9:14 PM

Pajiba is white and oblivious as fuck, Carlos. I mean, this is a site whose review of the Brief, Wondrous life of Oscar Wao was basically, "lol whut?!" and Rowles himself was deeply puzzled by the fact that black women's hair merited a documentary.

Expecting sensitivity from Pajiba is p. much something you shouldn't do.

That said, Fuck Robert Rodriguez I'm sure this movie is a sack of mashed assholes.

Posted by: Mexcillent at September 3, 2010 9:48 PM

p.p.s. No mames

Posted by: Mexcillent at September 3, 2010 9:50 PM

American't Japacan't Honduracan't


but seriously, can someone tell me if Lohan is naked in this?

Posted by: thin-skinned rascal at September 4, 2010 12:58 AM

Aw fucking hell. My hopes were so high.

Posted by: , at September 4, 2010 2:33 AM

Just caught Machete (no way I was missing it). In honor of Machete, this review will be in Spanish:

Hijueputa cabron! Las bolas que tiene que tener Robert Rodriguez para sacar una pelicula como Machete en los tiempos tan politicos en que vivimos. No me imagino que diria Joe Arpaio o Jan Brewer si llegaran a ver esta pelicula.

Todos los villanos son caricaturas. Esto es cierto. Y oir a actores como Steven Seagal y Jessica Alba tratar de hablar en español se vuelve horrible. Pero Machete tiene una energia comica y divertida que se vuelve facil el perdonarle todos sus pecados. La accion es divertida y fuerte. Hay baldes de sangre derramados por casi toda escena.

Machete mata. Machete destruye. Y en su mision mas dificil, Machete chinga a la Lindsay Lohan y chinga a su madre sin proteccion y trata de hacerlo sin que su verga no se le pudra.

Vale la pena como matine.

Posted by: Fredo at September 4, 2010 4:11 AM

Any word directed with regularity towards a particular group of people, used in service of diminishing them collectively, is a slur.

The fact that you can point to an innocuous genesis, derive alternate meanings, or otherwise play around with it does not make it not a slur.

And it's quite easy to see why "mexican't" might be a slur. The word arouses an image typical of many slurs -- laziness, stupidity, incompetence, weakness of will.

The real test is whether it's commonly used in the way I described, or commonly recognized as having that collective meaning.

As for recognition, all I can say is that I've never been aware of it in that sense. In fact, I used it myself in the Machete preview thread, because I remembered it from Once Upon A Time In the West and thought it was a clever, funny line.

As for whether it's commonly used, I don't know, but I submit that Carlos's angry denouncers probably don't know either. I'm not Mexican, I don't live near the Mexican border, and I'm not a member of a family or a community in which Mexicans are competing with non-Mexicans for jobs.

Those are the places where a slur would germinate. Carlos seemed angry enough about its use to suggest he's heard it used that way. In reading his comment, I'm reminded that my conclusions about such matters are (or should be) limited by the scope of my own experience. To pretend otherwise, as several here have done, is arrogant, ignorant, and childish.

Posted by: sansho1 at September 4, 2010 1:28 PM

Thanks for the words of support sansho1, Mexcillent. sansho1, you hit the nail on the head in your last post.

Case, Protoguy, Lennon and, to a lesser extent, The_wakeful seem to be misguided to say the least, but it's not altogether surprising that a certain percentage of commenters think this is OK.

I was, indeed, aware of the word's use in OUATIM and in Machete and disagree with it's use in those films, too. It's true, also, that it's being more and more commonly used (at least from my experience).

It's interesting to see how many of the commenters have, in their ignorance, defended it's use simply because it appears in those movies, and therefore, as they were directed by a Mexican-American, it's okay. Are they also saying it's alright to call and African-American a "N***er" because 50 Cent uses it or because they heard it in movies like Belly? I didn't f**king think so.

Yes, there are worse racial Hispanic terms, but as someone who's surrounded by the fierce anti-Hispanic sentiment in the US today (remember, the majority of the country supports SB1070 - some because they fully understand the law, some because they only listen to Fox News - either way, it's shameful), excuse the f**k out of me for being sensitive to slurs of this type.

I'll assume Carlson was unaware that a lot of Mexican-Americans dislike this term. However, I'm still surprised, given the current political situation mentioned above, that more thought wasn't put in to the choice of article headline.

Posted by: Carlos at September 4, 2010 2:18 PM

wow,
overly sensitive mexicans, words are only as powerful as you make them.
Get the fuck over it or GTFO.....
btw i am a mexican and see nothing wrong with the title of the review.

Posted by: bean_dip at September 4, 2010 4:38 PM

Lol, of course your name is "Carlos."

Posted by: Mike at September 4, 2010 4:39 PM

Oh well. I wish the average commenter was of the same caliber as the Pajiba staff, but it just ain't so.

Posted by: sansho1 at September 4, 2010 4:53 PM

Carlos, you're on the internet. PC'ness isn't a thing here. If a person came or lives in Mexico they are a Mexican. It's rather simple. If you get your knickerbockers in a bunch because of a headline in a review on the interwebs, maybe you should log the fuck off.

That's not me being ignorant. No where did I mention the current law (in which I don't live AZ so I was told my opinion doesn't count leading to me not caring about it) or the effects it is having.

Does Taco John also offend you by them using the words "Tex-Mex"? Because I can see that happening, too. Maybe you should send them a big hate letter about being sensitive to people more often.

Posted by: Zerath at September 4, 2010 5:14 PM

Just here adding my support to Carlos. Seriously ya'll, if someone is telling you in good faith that something has hurt them, it's kind of a jerk move to turn around, dismiss their feelings and then tell them that they are in fact the ones doing something wrong by being hurt.

A simple, "Wow, I never really thought how that might affect someone else, sorry dude, won't happen again." is both easy and painless, and comes highly recommended.

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at September 4, 2010 5:46 PM

Come on guys, can't we all just go back to ragging on Canada. I mean their head of state is the Queen, seriously. We kicked our kings out in 1776 and 1810. Here's Canada's independence process, "Oh, um, oh, well, if you have a minute, no, oh, um, oh". Lets just high-five each other and make Canadon't jokes. Also, a slur is a slur, it doesn't matter that fans of the Washington Redskins don't think its offensive, its offensive because native americans find it offensive. But seriously you guys, lets make Canadon't happen.

Posted by: Piato at September 4, 2010 6:28 PM

I mean I don't mind the Mexican't thing. If it were like, "rated Webtastic" or "that mojado can't jump" or some shit like that it would be hurtful.

But basically, Pajiba is a really articulate and nerdy white kid who has no idea that what it says might be r-r-r-racist. And the readership getting up in arms about being possibly perceived as racist or offensive are just showing off their white credentials. Even if they're a self-reporting Mexican.

Posted by: Mexcillent at September 4, 2010 8:32 PM

Carlos, you're on the internet. PC'ness isn't a thing here.

Quite possibly the stupidest thing I've ever read.

Posted by: Abby at September 4, 2010 9:22 PM

While I understand Carlos' sentiment and agree in part with some of what he says, I think intent is the point. Was Dustin perhaps insensitive? Sure. But there was no racism or hatred in the title. (Or at least, I hope not).

And let's be fair, when some racist idiot wants to insult a Latino, he is not using "Mexican't." So to compare it with the n-bomb is unfair as it's not in the same level.

BTW, I do find it positive that there's always the racism debate going on in America. It means we are vigilant and aware of our past failings -- unlike other places where they proclaim they don't have it until it rears its head in ugly ways.

Posted by: Fredo at September 4, 2010 9:47 PM

Nice, Mexcellent...you're tweaked about stereotyping and then you go on to call Pajiba "a really articulate and nerdy white kid." Way to practice what you preach, big guy.

Posted by: stryker1121 at September 5, 2010 12:43 AM

While I understand Carlos' sentiment and agree in part with some of what he says, I think intent is the point. Was Dustin perhaps insensitive? Sure. But there was no racism or hatred in the title. (Or at least, I hope not).

I get what you're saying and I think you're right that nothing was intended. I don't think anyone here is trying to say that the person who wrote the title is a bad person or a vicious hate-mongering bigot who is maliciously trying to hurt Mexican/ Mexican-American people. Dude just didn't think.

But the lack of hateful intent doesn't negate the outcome. I kind of see it as like, the difference between murder and manslaughter. If you commit manslaughter, you might not have meant to kill anyone, and while that's definitely a step up from being a cold-blooded murderer, it doesn't make the person you killed any less dead.

Racism kind of works the same way, it hurts people, regardless of intent. I feel we need to keep that in mind when we're being called out. Instead of getting defensive or angry, just try to look at it from the perspective of the other person, apologize and hopefully learn from it.

But yeah, MACHETE. I will probably see this at some point. It will probably be terrible. But I'll probably still enjoy it at least a little. I don't have particularly good taste, but I know what I like, and I can totally see myself just loving the meta-ness of it all.

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at September 5, 2010 2:04 AM

BTW I meant Daniel. Sorry Dustin. Nothing meant by it.

But the lack of hateful intent doesn't negate the outcome. I kind of see it as like, the difference between murder and manslaughter. If you commit manslaughter, you might not have meant to kill anyone, and while that's definitely a step up from being a cold-blooded murderer, it doesn't make the person you killed any less dead.

Then I guess the question becomes "Is it racist if the person who said it meant it to be racist? Or is it racist if another person perceives it to be racist?"

Posted by: Fredo at September 5, 2010 3:36 AM

I remember seeing the fake trailer for Machete on the lead-in to Planet Terror and thinking 'wow - I'd actually like that film to exist'. It made me laugh.

Then I saw Planet Terror, which was awful, but might have been tolerable as a two-minute fake trailer. Scarily, it's apparent that Rodriguez can't tell the difference between the kind of idea that makes for a giggle in the pub and the credible basis for a full-length feature film.

Am I alone in thinking that Rodriguez is a god-awful, fan-boy director who exhausted his one idea long ago?

Posted by: Paul B at September 5, 2010 9:24 AM

Not all of us are white, asshole.

Posted by: Sinestro at September 5, 2010 10:07 AM

There's no ignorance here. Trust me.

Racism, as an -ism, requires intent. Slip ups, something like this title, inadvertent things that offend people... these might be racially insensitive but they arent "racist".

You lessen the meaning, and impact, of the word by applying it not to things that are truly racist, but to anything at which you take offense. In turn, this lessens the meaning of calling out a genuinely racist person for what they are. '

I'm sorry if people were offended by this title. I had hoped that by pointing out it's origins and ties to the director and it's application to the review as a whole that people would see it as a clever, though apparently misguided, usage.

I can assure you, however, that as a person who grew up in Arizona and Texas that Robert Rodriguez films are the first and only place I've ever heard "Mexicant". Racists here aren't even that creative. This terms fails Sansho1's test of frequency.

Furthermore, this may be the interwebz but it is also Pajiba. We talk about these things. We are, on the whole, well above the average IQ of the internet poster (though, the jar of mayonnaise in my fridge is as well). Lets keep this an open conversation about these things. It degraded rather quickly as this group of "nerdy white kids" tried to explain things and were simply increasingly called ignorant and it was even insinuated that we were perhaps comfortable with racism.

Posted by: Lennon at September 5, 2010 1:38 PM

Then I guess the question becomes "Is it racist if the person who said it meant it to be racist? Or is it racist if another person perceives it to be racist?"

My point was that it's racist either way. It's racist whether or not there was hateful intent, and a racist word/action doesn't stop being racist just because no one calls you on it. My other point was that for the most part we need to step away from the entire question of intent, because it's not really about what we meant, it's about the effect our actual words and actions have. Like say you didn't know that Mexican't is often used as a racial slur, that doesn't make it less of one, it just means that you were ignorant of the context in which that word exists and is often used.

Thanks for being chill though, I definitely appreciate it, it always bums me out when these kinds of things degenerate into the internet equivalent of a bar brawl. I would also just recommend Jay Smooth's take on these kinds of conversations, dude is awesome:

http://www.illdoctrine.com/2008/07/how_to_tell_people_they_sound.html

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at September 5, 2010 1:53 PM

You lessen the meaning, and impact, of the word by applying it not to things that are truly racist, but to anything at which you take offense. In turn, this lessens the meaning of calling out a genuinely racist person for what they are.

I would actually say that the problem is that peope refuse to see "lesser" forms of racism as actual racism. By not talking about things like this because "they didn't mean it that way" we let people get away with and continue to say hurtful and damaging things with no consequence, because hey! it's not real racism! It's not like they're burning crosses and committing hate crimes! If no one said anything, those of us that didn't know it was hurtful would never know, if we didn't know it was hurtful we might keep saying it, and if we kept saying it it would keep hurting people.

If someone says hey this probably wasn't the best title it has a pretty negative racial connotation, the answer isn't to say STFU/GTFO, make jokes about the dude's name or to tell them that you know more about the racism they've experienced than they do, it's to realize that maybe we fucked up.

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at September 5, 2010 3:02 PM

Just got home from seeing this and couldn't disagree more. I'm not even sure that DC saw the same movie I did. It was a blast - great mindless entertainment. Cartoon violence with gardening implements and Steven Segal as the villain - what's not to like. This movie takes itself far less seriously than all y'll commenting in this thread. Or to put it another way, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar - unless it's handed to you by Cheech, in which case it's a giant joint.

Posted by: amobogio at September 5, 2010 4:01 PM

RedRightAnkle

Im not trying to say we should ignore things like this, sweep them under the rug or turn a blind eye [insert more cliches here]

What I am saying is wholly based in an appeal to semantics. Racism must be intentional. That doesn't mean we should only address those problems that are intentional. Far from it.

It's the same as correcting someone for using the phrase "thats so gay" to mean something is stupid. They aren't homophobic... they just made a poor choice of words.

Posted by: Lennon at September 5, 2010 5:16 PM

" Watching Machete is like nodding smugly for 100 minutes in a hall of mirrors, with nothing but fragmented glimpses of hollow satisfaction as a reward.

*literary nerdgasm*

:shudder:

Hold me.

Posted by: RestInPeace at September 5, 2010 5:41 PM

@Lennon

Well, minus semantics, I'd say we agree. But I think we'll have to just disagree on that definition because never in any sociological context have I ever seen any -ism defined solely on intent. In fact I was implicitly taught the opposite. Would it be better if I referred to it as privilege instead of unintentional racism? It's not about whether a person is a racist, I could care less about what the person is or isn't, it's whether the things that were did/said have racist implications/use racist assumptions/support racist systems and structures/etc. It's the word or action itself, not the person saying or doing it.

But yeah, I hope we can get beyond this, I'm sure everyone's sick of my ~*can't we all just get along?*~ empathy pushing. Sunday night football starts this coming week! How bout those Saints and Vikings!

Posted by: RedRightAnkle at September 5, 2010 6:11 PM

Carlos, you're on the internet. PC'ness isn't a thing here.
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Posted by: Smokey at September 5, 2010 9:09 PM

@Lennon -

"I can assure you, however, that as a person who grew up in Arizona and Texas that Robert Rodriguez films are the first and only place I've ever heard "Mexicant". Racists here aren't even that creative. This terms fails Sansho1's test of frequency. "

Just because YOU'VE never heard this term outside of a Robert Rodriguez film (try being of Hispanic origin...you'll hear it more, guaranteed) does not mean that it only exists in these films.

I've lived in Minnesota (Burnsville), North Carolina (Lillington), Arizona (Williams AFB - now closed - Phoenix), Michigan (Charlevoix), Texas (Austin) and served on active duty in the USAF from 2003 to 2009, stationed in the UK, Mississippi (Biloxi), Maryland (Ft. Meade) and the middle east and I can assure YOU, I've heard this term plenty of times.

From your posts, I don't assume you're racist or even particularly insensitive...in fact, you seem to mean well, but, and I apologize if this sounds inflammatory, when you write sentences like this:
"Rodriguez films are the first and only place I've ever heard "Mexicant"...This terms fails Sansho1's test of frequency. " you sound a little ignorant at worst, sheltered at best.

Posted by: Carlos at September 6, 2010 10:30 AM

Well, I disagree with this review! My husband and I saw it last night and were thoroughly entertained. Ain't no Black Dynamite, but I was impressed with the tie-in to immigration issues, badass machete action, and some boobs here and there never hurt anyone.

Posted by: Jessica at September 6, 2010 1:26 PM

I'm sorry, I still don't understand how the word "Mexican't" is a racial slur. If it's simply taken as "all Mexicans can't (whatever)...", or "because he's Mexican he can't (whatever)...", then I get that. I guess the problem is that I never took the joke that way. I took it purely as a play on words. It ain't a documentary.

I mean, if the original line is from a Robert Rodriguez film, then is he the racist? and we're all just puppet racists parroting his line? Seriously, wtf is a white guy to do?

Posted by: Protoguy at September 6, 2010 6:17 PM

Seriously, I grew up in Miami. The Cubans hated the blacks, the Columbians thought the Cubans were low class, everyone thought Argentinians were arrogant, and they all hated the Haitians. The Hondurans didn't like Nicaraguans because of the border tensions there, bla bla bla.

Worked in Overtown for a while. No big deal. I worked at Univision for a few years. Didn't speak a whole lot of Spanish, didn't need to. We all worked together like pros, but everyone, every person I worked with had their cultural or racial prejudices.

Eh, whatever, the one right no one has is the right to not be offended. Rightfully so. So far.

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fredo chinga a tu madre , $$$10 billetes no voy a perder por ver esa merda de pelicula con la cabezona jessica alba actuando malo como siempre y el triple feo de machete , ni de hostias quiero tener pesadillas, y menos ver ala putona de la lohan chingando con ese mounstruo .

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Posted by: lennyx at September 7, 2010 1:00 PM

Totally disagree with your review. Saw this movie over the weekend and loved it. Yes, everything was over the top and the movie was silly at times, but that is what I really liked about it. I would rather the movie purposely be cheesy instead of accidently being cheesy like most action films are. I hate those movies that try to be something more than what they should. For example, Transformers has great action and special effects but the idiot director puts in lame dialogue and trys to make you feel for the characters. All I want to do is throw up during those scenes.

I thought the film accomplished what it was made for. I'm sure Rodriguez isn't going to apologize for not pigeon holing the movie as only an action film or only a comedy. Who cares? It's entertaining damn it!

Posted by: Todd A at September 7, 2010 2:19 PM

This is the first time I have read a movie review from Daniel Carlson and it will be my last. Please do not listen to this review when making a decision about seeing this movie.

He has completely misinterpreted the entire movie. I've seen a lot of box office garbage this Summer and Machete is definitely one of the most refreshing movies I've seen this year. If Rodriguez filmed this movie any other way, it would not work. Instead, it's perfect! If you want to be entertained, this is a must see! It's fun with great dialogue and everyone in this movie looked like they had fun too.

This critic needs to lighten up, have a beer and stop looking for an oscar award nominee.

Posted by: Mike Pappageorge at September 7, 2010 5:05 PM

This is the first time I have read a movie review from Daniel Carlson and it will be my last. Please do not listen to this review when making a decision about seeing this movie.

He has completely misinterpreted the entire movie. I've seen a lot of box office garbage this Summer and Machete is definitely one of the most refreshing movies I've seen this year. If Rodriguez filmed this movie any other way, it would not work. Instead, it's perfect! If you want to be entertained, this is a must see! It's fun with great dialogue and everyone in this movie looked like they had fun too.

This critic needs to lighten up, have a beer and stop looking for an oscar award nominee.

Posted by: M at September 7, 2010 5:15 PM

This is the first time I have read a movie review from Daniel Carlson and it will be my last. Please do not listen to this review when making a decision about seeing this movie.

He has completely misinterpreted the entire movie. I've seen a lot of box office garbage this Summer and Machete is definitely one of the most refreshing movies I've seen this year. If Rodriguez filmed this movie any other way, it would not work. Instead, it's perfect! If you want to be entertained, this is a must see! It's fun with great dialogue and everyone in this movie looked like they had fun too.

This critic needs to lighten up, have a beer and stop looking for an oscar award nominee.

Posted by: M at September 7, 2010 5:16 PM

I am the first to admit I enjoy crappy entertainment. When I saw this movie this past weekend, it wasn't my first choice, but I still enjoyed it for the campiness. I have not seen Grindhouse, but the fake movie trailer concept was explained to me prior to viewing, so that helped set the mood for me. The movie was ridiculously bad, rest assured, but if you go in not expecting too much you won't be disappointed.

thin-skinned rascal: Lohan appears partially naked in the movie, but the scene in the pool uses a body double. Thankfully the rest of her scenes are short and without much dialogue.

Posted by: SatinSatan at September 7, 2010 6:15 PM

Regarding slurs, who exactly gets to declare a word or phrase offensive? The obvious answer would be "people against whom it is used," but how many people have to be offended before the word is off limits?

How many Mexicans or Mexican-Americans are offended by the word "Mexican't"? 90% of them? 50%? Just ten really vocal people?

The reason people are leaping in to defend the use of this word is not that they are (necessarily) ignorant, insensitive, or racist. The reflexive defense comes from a frustration with how uncertain social mores can be regarding language. If one person says "that word is off limits on the internet!", should I apologize and never use it again? Two people? Is it different if they are people I know or if they are anonymous strangers?

Here's the deal: if there were a review of a sexually explicit film from Poland, and the title of the review was "Polish Sausage," I could bang out an objection based on my Polish heritage. It's as easy as clicking "Post Comment." Should the author apologize to me and vow to never again make a joke about polish sausage? Hell no! I'm just a nutcase with a chip on my shoulder. No Polish-American is offended by that term except for me.

So the question ends up being "who are you to speak for your entire race / nation / ethnicity?" That's not insensitive, it's just annoyed as hell, and when someone says "get over it" or "calm down," it's not an accident that it comes across as dismissive. There's a good chance they are deliberately (or at least subconsciously) telling you to go to hell unless you can back up your opinion with something more concrete than "a lot of people are offended by that word."

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More Machetes: And Where Is The Catholic Church?—Cheering "Latino Power" On, By Rob Sanchez

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