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A Thigh-Quaking Toe Curler (In an Uncomfortable Place)

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (151)



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I’ve seen a few review headlines for Iron Man 2 this week, and I swear to God, Christina Hendricks could fuck a few critics out there until they bled and they’d complain about the scratch marks on their back. Give me a goddamn break. There’s a huge difference between a blockbuster shit pile and a great summer movie with a few flaws. I understand that the first Iron Man created certain expectations, but that’s no excuse to rag on a great cinematic lay because it was wearing the holey Hanes instead of the black lace. Take off the panties, and Iron Man 2 has still got plenty of moves. It’s a little thicker around the waist and the conversation is occasionally awkward, but the franchise can still throw you up against the wall and writhe up against your tingly parts until you’re spent and maybe even a little raw. It takes a little more to get you off the second time, but that’s no excuse to complain because you’re sore the next day.

In the last two years, Iron Man has supplanted Spider-Man as the number two in the comic-book movie world. Iron Man 2 in no way displaces Christopher Nolan’s Batman franchise. But they’re different breeds. Nolan works the dark complexity, while Jon Favreau infuses his Iron Man series with wit, sex appeal, and simple bad-assery. And there are more than a few bad ass moments in Iron Man 2, while Robert Downey, Jr. continues to be a burning beacon of raw sexuality. The man exudes more charisma snapping away a holographic computer image than 96 percent of Hollywood’s leading men can in their strongest scenes. Tony Stark’s got a bed partner this time around, in the form of Sam Rockwell’s villainous weapons mogul Justin Hammer, who can play second to only RDJ in the planetary panty moistening department. Justin and RDJ’s Tony Stark are pitted against each other early on: Hammer’s developing his own Iron Man suits and wants the Stark Technology. After a failed attempt to secure it through Congressional means (via Garry Shandling’s delightfully sleazy Senator Stern), Hammer calls up Ivan Vanko (Mickey Rourke) from prison, where he’s laid up after engineering a suit from scrap parts that drew some Iron Man blood. Vanko harbors some ill will toward Tony Stark on account of the way Stark’s father treated Vanko’s father, who was a leading physicist in the Stark Empire before Daddy Stark (John Slattery) deported him for getting too greedy.

That’s the major set up: Hammer is bankrolling Vanko’s efforts to not only take out Iron Man, but to ruin the Stark legacy. Hammer’s got friends in the government, too, so he manages to turn Colonel James Rhodes against Tony, as well (at least temporarily). Meanwhile, Tony’s got some issues with his suit, namely that it’s poisoning his blood and slowly killing him, and he can’t figure out the technology to save himself. Planning the future of Stark Industries means promoting Pepper Potts to CEO and bringing in Natalie Rushman (Scarlett Johansson) as his new assistant. Without spoiling too much, that’s how the Avengers and Nick Fury (Sam Jackson) get involved in Iron Man 2, which also represents most of the film’s bloat. It’s not that the subplot setting up The Avengers movie isn’t entertaining, it’s that it’s excessive and slows the momentum of the main plot line. I might note, too, that besides a rear end you could set a plate upon and a few bad ass moves that her stunt double performs, Johansson and her thick tongue may be the film’s weakest element. Although I’d also concede that Mickey Rourke goes too method with Vanko and saps some of the joy out of his character, who is too self-serious in comparison with the rest of the more free-wheeling, crackling characters.

The first movie also lacked much of anything resembling a script going in, which paradoxically worked to Favreau and RDJ’s advantage: They were able, on the fly, to create dialog that sounded more organic. Here, Justin Theroux’s script is clunky at times, approximating comic-book bubble dialog, though credit Downey for his ability to somewhat convincingly sell a few bad lines in the first act. Moreover, with Johansson aboard, Gwyneth Paltrow’s character doesn’t get the screen time she deserves. Say what you want about Paltrow, but her Pepper Potts is perfect for this movie: shrewish, demanding, controlling and sophisticatedly sexual. Fortunately, too, while Rourke’s Vanko is pitchy at times, Rockwell hits all the high notes and more than balances out the criminal equation. To my relief, Favreau and Company also listened to the feedback cards after the first movie and didn’t overcook the finale with big speeches or an overindulgent 27-scene fight sequence.

All of which is to say: Yes, there are flaws in Iron Man 2 and an overly meticulous critic with a buzzkill boner could get stuck in the morass and fail to see the forest for the mushmouth. My biggest fear about the movie was quelled, too, which was that all of the extra characters would take the focus off the movie’s biggest asset: Robert Downey, Jr. But there’s never any doubt that it’s still Iron Man’s show. Don Cheadle’s War Machine effectively swoops in and obliterates the occasional steel goon, but Robert Downey, Jr. is the man casually kicking away a car and creating a sexual charge with every finger snap. Iron Man 2 is one hell of an entertaining and often exhilarating film, a slam fuck that doesn’t exactly break your pelvis, but you may walk away with a limp.









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Comments

My main problem with this film was that some of the dialogue seemed too ad-libbed, it was like the characters were talking over each other and never really getting anywhere which was frustrating. Other than that it was fun, the drunk dancing bit in particular.

Posted by: Steph at May 7, 2010 11:43 AM

I HAVE A BONER!

sorry, I don't care that this is a sophistimacated site.

Posted by: Pete at May 7, 2010 11:43 AM

I agree with a lot of this, though I will say I didn't particularly enjoy the film all that much. It was fine, it had some good moments, but it also dragged a lot in places and I was becoming bored, which, with the amount of stuff that was going on, is somewhat of an achievement. Overall I'd say it's quite forgettable, which is a shame.

I could have done without the whole Nick Fury subplot, I think that's where my attention wandered the most. I know they're setting up this whole Avengers business, but it didn't add much to this film.

RDJ is brilliant though. I'm not sure this film had as much humour as the first, there didn't seem to be time for it, and I missed it.

Posted by: Carrie (Teabelly) at May 7, 2010 11:46 AM

Yesss! What I'm getting from this is that I should definitely visit my ridiculously sexy sex boy tonight, then finish off the weekend with a little RDJ performance.

I'll be sore Monday, but so worth it.

Posted by: zygomatique at May 7, 2010 11:46 AM

oh goody!

Posted by: lizzieborden at May 7, 2010 11:47 AM

Once the sharks smell blood and the frenzy begins, sometimes it's just easier to join them. I think we're seeing a lot of reactionary, lazy critiques of this movie.

You're 100% right- just because the movie isn't better than the 1st, doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad movie. In comparison to the other drek hollywood churns out, this movie is frickin Citizen Kane. Well... you get my point.

Posted by: logar at May 7, 2010 11:59 AM

I, for one, am fully in favour of death by metallic snoo-snoo.

Posted by: admin at May 7, 2010 12:12 PM

Stay for post-credit teaser!~

Posted by: Luke at May 7, 2010 12:14 PM

I read somewhere that there wasn't much of a script on this one either, which maybe contributed to the bad dialogue?

I knew from the casting news that Scarlett would be the weakness. Other than her "attributes", I don't understand the appeal of the girl.

Hopefully Sam Jackson did a little acting? I'm just about over him.

That said, can't wait to see this.

Posted by: Riles at May 7, 2010 12:16 PM

I'm (hopefully) seeing this tomorrow. I have no expectations other than to drool over RDJ and bounce in my seat every time a bad guy gets his ass kicked.

Posted by: Julie at May 7, 2010 12:21 PM

boring,flat and lame! yes, the male cast is nice but RDJ and Sam Rockwell's ham acting doesn't make a movie
Cheadle and Jackson are forgetable and underused,Paltrow in Pepper is idiot and too lean,Johanson is sexy(what acting!*irony*),Rourke is great(subtle and charismatic) but has not enough screen time

i feel Dustin is a RDJ fan but sorry a movie is not ONE MAN SHOW!

Posted by: caro at May 7, 2010 12:22 PM

Pete- you can say you have a boner all you want. You just have to say it with Eloquence. Something like:

"Just like my grandfather always said- I HAVE A BONER!"

Posted by: logar at May 7, 2010 12:24 PM

Did I just get an eyelash, or is that your hard-on poking my eye through the monitor?

I'll see myself out.

Posted by: Kayanne at May 7, 2010 12:38 PM

Back when the hype was at a fever pitch for both 'The Dark Knight' and 'Iron Man', before they were even released, there was no way either movie was going to meet the bloated expectations that were more or less thrust upon the public. Repeated viewings of 'Dark Knight' reveal the mess of the storyline, the plot holes that come from having too much plot, and the amazing 'coincidences' one is supposedly expected to ignore so as not to harsh the buzz of the experience.

'Iron Man' was really a breath of fresh air as the 'Dark Knight' mania began to settle, but it's properly noted to have "lacked much of anything resembling a script going in," and "the overindulgent 27-scene fight sequence" had an absolutely lame climax: fly high enough into the sky so the enemy's armour will freeze and short-circuit- nice to find that out after all the special effects have been used up.

With early reviews such as this one, perhaps the moviegoers might find a few nice surprises in 'Iron Man 2' since they've yet to be told by the media brigade that they simply have to love this movie.

Long after finally seeing 'Dark Knight' and 'Iron Man', I got around to watching 'Hancock', the one 'superhero' movie that no critic really cared for too much. Will Smith is a fine actor, though I'm not a big fan, and hated 'Independence Day' & the 'Wild Wild West'.

I'll probably get reamed for saying this, but out of all these movies, 'Hancock' had the most original (and more entertaining) story, amazing special fx that outdid both 'Dark Knight' and 'Iron Man' combined, and even the 'plot twist' w/ Charlize Theron that everyone ragged on didn't lessen my enjoyment of this movie in the least.

I've seen 'Iron Man' twice, and even being a lifetime Batman fanatic, by my 4th viewing of 'Dark Knight' it was a genuine struggle to get to the end, and I haven't watched the entire movie all the way through since.

However, 'Hancock' still entertains me the most, and I look forward to that sequel more than those two other guys'. There are some movies that are bound to disappoint if you take them and all the hype surrounding them too seriously, which is what took a lot away from both 'Dark Knight' and 'Iron Man'.

Posted by: Huge LiLo Fan at May 7, 2010 12:42 PM

Is Harry Knowles writing for the site now?

Posted by: TylerDFC at May 7, 2010 12:46 PM

Oh Snap!

Posted by: admin at May 7, 2010 12:57 PM

Oh man, this is much better. I tried to read the Salon review. TWICE. Not only was he making the tiniest critiques into something huge. It felt like he got out his thesaurus to dazzle me with his vocabulary. Ultimately I have no idea if the guy like the movie, and I really couldn't follow his train of thought.
This was a refreshing and succinct review (as always) and has me excited to see the movie.

Posted by: Nimue at May 7, 2010 1:05 PM

Sorry, I thought this was a huge disappointment. I enjoyed the first Iron Man. Certainly no masterpiece, but a fun ride from start to finish. I wasn't expecting this to better the first film, just match it or at least come close. Ten minutes in I knew that wasn't going to happen. You are right in saying it's not a bad movie, it's no Electra. But it's no Iron Man either. Just another totally forgettable, middle of the road comic book outing, that at times feels less like a movie and more like a bloated preview for the upcoming Avengers movie. Don't get me wrong, it has it's moments, but I don't think I'm wrong in expecting just a bit more from such a talented line-up.

I still can't believe a film that combines RDJ, Mickey Rourke, Sam Rockwell and Sam Jackson managed to bore me. I think that's my main issue with the film. It felt like such a waste of talent and I still can't believe so little was done with the Demon in a Bottle storyline. With that cast and that story they could have bettered the original.

Posted by: KateMC at May 7, 2010 1:06 PM

Is it better than the first one? I don't think so, but that's because I think Iron Man 2 is a continuation and not a sequel per se.

Yes, Scarlett Johansson's Black Widow is the weakest part but at least she's not overwhelming. But at least the final battle was more energetic than the last one and RDJ is comfortable in the role.

And looking at the slate of Summer '10 movies, I'm thinking that Iron Man 2 is not going to have much competition for "Best Movie" crown.

Posted by: Fredo at May 7, 2010 1:10 PM

I wrote reviews with Harry Knowles, I know Harry Knowles, Harry Knowles was a friend of mine. Pajiba, you're no Harry Knowles.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at May 7, 2010 1:14 PM

That has got to be the filthiest review intro I've read here. I thought I had accidentally logged on to one of my porno review sites.

Clean it up, Rowles.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 7, 2010 1:37 PM

I've just seen this movie and it was a mixed bag. Not because of the movie itself, for it was made of much awesome. No, it was a mixed bag because there was a woman who would start panting and moaning quietly whenever RDJ was on screen. Which was about 95% of the time. It was very uncomfortable. So I'm seeing it again tomorrow evening, when the cinema will be packed with so many popcorn-chewing, texting, cheering assholes that I won't be subject to someone's personal Furious Masturbation Theatre.

Posted by: Aislinn at May 7, 2010 1:51 PM

If I've learned anything over the years of reading Pajiba reviews, it's that you can't trust Dustin to remain objective when it comes to RDJ or Ryan Reynolds (reread his review of "The Proposal" if you don't believe me).

Posted by: jimbobblehead at May 7, 2010 1:54 PM

"there was a woman who would start panting and moaning quietly whenever RDJ was on screen. Which was about 95% of the time..."


Please, tell me you told the ushers to wipe down that seat.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 7, 2010 1:55 PM

Pfeh, I don't know. I don't find RDJ nearly as much of a sexpot as everyone else here--I just think he's ridiculously fun to watch. Kind of like Clooney but more stringy. And the first movie was just a lot of fun, but not all that amazing.

But of course I'll watch this for the superhero madness, but I won't have ridiculously high expectations like so many do. I'll save those for the next Batman movie.

Posted by: figgy at May 7, 2010 2:02 PM

"Pajiba, you're no Harry Knowles."

I suspect most of us will consider this a compliment.

I liked Iron Man 2 well enough. It's somehow much busier and yet less fast-paced than the original, but it's still pretty fun. I thought things got kinda Emo Spidey-ish with the blood poisoning and the impending doom fueled depression and the feuds with Pepper and Rhodey, but once all that nonsense got out of the way things picked up and moved along at a decent clip. I actually think the inclusion of Johansson's Black Widow was far more of a drag on the plot than was Jackson's Nick Fury and the accompanying Avengers business. Johansson is boring and totally unfunny and yet has a much bigger role than Jackson, whose Fury doesn't exactly set anything on fire with charisma, but is serviceable enough and has so little screen time that the role doesn't amount to much more than a glorified cameo. I also agree with Dustin about Rourke, whose Vanko was interesting but not really much fun. Had he gone a little looser, and had Johansson been cut entirely, I think the end result would've been pretty fantastic.

Posted by: Sarina at May 7, 2010 2:18 PM

I'm waiting for the weekend crowds to clear out before I go see this on Tuesday, which is the end of my work week. Things I'm looking forward to:

- Potential Jon Favreau cameo(I irrationally adore this man in everything he does, ever since I saw him as Pete the Millionaire on Friends).
- RDJ's Tony Stark, of course.
- Pepper Potts verbally sparring with Tony Stark, which I believe made the first movie.
- Mickey Rourke.
- Bling-blang-sparkly fight sequences.
- Avengers expansion.
- Rumored teaser at the end of the credits.

What I'm not looking forward to:
- Scarlett-fucking-Johansson as Big Fucking Tits McGee. She drags ass more than a dog with worms on fresh carpet.
- Not enough Pepper Potts time. :( My personal feelings on Paltrow range from "eh" to flatline, but I loved her Pepper Potts, especially the "occasionally taking out the trash" line she zinged on that reporter.

From the comments, it sounds like I'll be pleased and not too disappointed. Disappointed, yes, but maybe not TOO much.

Posted by: duckandcover at May 7, 2010 2:45 PM

I suspect most of us will consider this a compliment.

As I intended it to be . . Knowles is my old skool Ebert, and Pajiba is my Siskel. Ebert loves pretty schlock, and Siskel is the pickier, pricklier critic.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at May 7, 2010 2:58 PM

You still didn't explain why this was such a piece of shit film.

Posted by: Christian at May 7, 2010 3:22 PM

Seeing it tonight. SO EXCITED. Also: Well written, informative review.

Christian: That was rude. Go back and read paragraphs 3-4, then reconsider your behavior.

Posted by: esme at May 7, 2010 3:28 PM

Hunker down, Pajibans, the rodeo just rolled into town.

Posted by: laredo at May 7, 2010 3:38 PM

Can I have a word above approriateness for a 7 year old who is DYING to see it. Mom here is pretty liberal with the PG-13 movies that are mainly just cartoons (mainly so she gets to see them). But that torture scene in the first movie made me squirm a bit.

Posted by: Texas at May 7, 2010 3:52 PM

i'm in. like all the way in.

Posted by: stopthemadness at May 7, 2010 3:54 PM

The "I am a hetero male who lusts for men" schtick Dustin frequently does gets reeaally old. It doesn't help the review in terms of whether this is a good movie, period. So, if I'm male and not the least bit bike-curious, then this is a middling movie? I'll pass.

I don't go see a movie just because I'm hot for the woman in it either. If that were true, I'd watch the entire catalog of Fey, Barrymore, Garofalo, etc. Ninety-something percent of movies suck for a reason, because (many) people are happy just to see a gorgeous face.

Posted by: Bluesilver at May 7, 2010 4:28 PM

Bike-curious? Is that like when you're not sure if you should be riding the one with the bar that slants down or the one that goes straight across? Cause I have to say, I'm a straight across kind of guy, but man, there are those occasions when I wish there was a slant.

Posted by: admin at May 7, 2010 5:05 PM

I see you working here, Dustin, but has you nonsexual (probably) mancrush obscured your critical objectivism?

Posted by: stryker1121 at May 7, 2010 6:30 PM

Hunker down, Pajibans, the rodeo just rolled into town.

I'm not 100% sure what that means, but it made me laugh.

Posted by: MM at May 7, 2010 6:51 PM

I'll have to Google Harry Knowles, I'm not familiar with him. Can't complain about being compared to Ebert (could've been worse), but Siskel was, I guess is, one of my all-time favorite critics & I thought Ebert was just an asshat when they were both on TV.

And I'm not going to highlight B-Slim's 1:37pm comment, which cracked me completely up, in hopes of it getting in the next Eloquent's list.

Posted by: Huge LiLo Fan at May 7, 2010 6:51 PM

I'm with multiple others. Love the site, have mostly liked the reviews, but I really expect more from you Dustin. You're a good writer and an insightful critic, you don't need to channel knowles.

Glad to hear im2 doesn't outright suck though.

-frob

Posted by: Frobme at May 7, 2010 7:21 PM

Hmm. I think I shall see this thing you call a 'movie.' I saw the first one, after all. Ahh, the wonder of seeing moving pictures ...

Posted by: The Wanderer at May 7, 2010 7:49 PM

I want to be one of 'em bike-curious motorsexuals, with the leather and the chaps and the vroom vroom vroom...

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at May 7, 2010 7:55 PM

I'll have to Google Harry Knowles,

I would not recommend this course of action...

Posted by: Riles at May 7, 2010 7:55 PM

Speaking of bike-curious, remember the days of red-lines, flight cranks, and big air? RAD.

Posted by: Riles at May 7, 2010 7:56 PM

heh pitchy

Posted by: Protoguy at May 7, 2010 8:03 PM

This and hometown pizza is going to be my Mother's Day celebration. Yeah, I'm glad it's good!

Posted by: jen at May 7, 2010 8:29 PM

Liked the movie overall. I love the dialogue, especially when they're talking over one another. Its like more funny/second.

I didn't mind the Nick Fury stuff, mostly because he's the relatively calm thread that comes in and reminds Stark that things like "facts" can help you solve mysteries (like who the hell this Vanko dude was and how to stop the dying thingy).

Didn't like: Don Cheadle's Rhodes. There was no...emotion. No bond in his eyes to show they were buddies. He didn't play as well off of RDJ, and it just made the "betrayal" and subsequent kissyfest...boring and bland.

Also, it wasn't just that Pepper didn't get a lot of screen time, I think Paltrow must have pissed off the costume and makeup department because she LOOKED blander this time. There was nothing to make her stand out in the few scenes in which she actually appeared.

Posted by: Kat at May 7, 2010 8:50 PM

I liked this much better than the first - it was a little bit slicker and maybe unnecessarily so, but it worked for me. Sam Rockwell was great fun, and I didn't mind Samuel Jackson at all, but Scarlett was beautiful, dull and flat most of the time, and her action sequences were just stupid and poorly done. Mickey did his thing. I agree with Sarina that he should have let go and not been so serious. Don Cheadle was dull but competent. As for Gwyneth, I'm not getting what Dustin gets from her. I don't find her compelling as Pepper at all, I see little spark between her and RDJ, and she walks around like she has a stick clenched between her butt checks. I mean, I guess if you're looking for a tight tush, she's your girl.

RDJ is getting to the point where he always seems like RDJ. It works for this film, but I don't think it will keep working on every film.

Overall, I felt entertained and like I'd had a good, little escape.

Posted by: Cindy at May 7, 2010 10:07 PM

I thought it was still a very fun movie. Not as good as the first, because Tony's snarky schtick was very fresh then, and to depart from it now would have changed the character but it can't help but be a little less fresh now.

The only thing that really bugged me was the "Daddy really DID love me" stuff. Minor complaint, though.

Loved Jon Favreau writing himself a little personal badassery. Just enough to wink at the camera a bit.

As far as appropriate for a 7-year-old, I'd have to say no. Not because of language or sexual innuendo or anything, but because the kids sitting next to us were bored out of their heads. I'd guess they ranged from 5 to 9 or 10, and they just didn't follow along very well, based on the whining and chair-kicking going on. There's a lot of threads to follow in this movie.

Posted by: Wednesday at May 7, 2010 10:16 PM

Jesus Christ you folks have a fucking vendetta-boner for Scarlett Johansson. She's in the background for maybe five scenes and then she has a stupendously fantastic fight scene, the likes of which I haven't seen since that one where The Rock fights the flying pygmies in Welcome to the Jungle. Find some new material.

I've seen Iron Man 2 twice now (it came out last week in Australia), and I just adore it. I tried sitting there with my hard-nosed critic face on but every ounce of fight I bring just melts away once RDJ turns up and stays melted until the end of the credits. I honestly can't see why so many people don't like it. I guess maybe it's a little disjointed near the beginning, maybe it lacks a strong focus for the story, I don't know. I guess I can forgive things like that when I see Iron Man fighting War Machine to the tune of Another One Bites the Dust.

Posted by: James at May 7, 2010 10:35 PM

I thought it was just okay. There was no real danger. The best fight scene was Rhodes in the Mark II armor vs. Iron Man. War Machine and Iron Man lay waste to about 25 heavily-armed drones in about two minutes and, despite Rhodes' protestations that they were standing in the "kill box," the drones never laid a hand on either of them. Then, after the drones have been summarily dispatched, Vanko knocks our heroes around for a few minutes. But, once he appears to have them on the ropes, he just stands there with his super-whips as his enemies openly plot to beat him AND DOES NOTHING.

Stan Lee once said the best stories occur when the hero and villain are evenly matched, or when the villain appears stronger. One Whiplash vs. two Iron Men inverts that formula and so, for me, the climax just fell flat.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at May 8, 2010 12:03 AM

I thought the movie was nothing more than okay (but then I never thought the first movie was all that awesome either). It dragged on at certain points and it had a couple of particularly DUMB moments, like when the droid is obviously gonna blow up and Pepper just stands there staring at it for like a whole minute, until Tony comes and saves here, or when that retarded little kid with the Iron Man mask almost gets killed... oh, or when Tony puts on his Iron Man suit on the race track and Whiplash apparently does nothing at all and patiently waits until Tony's ready.

RDJ though, is still amazing. And I thought Scarlett did a pretty good job too. Her fight scene was great.

Posted by: Thijs at May 8, 2010 7:37 AM

Saw it last night. I thought it was great. Sam Rockwell, RDJ and Cheadle were as good as expected. What they need to watch out for is turning Sam Jackson's Nick Fury into.... Sam Jackson.

Posted by: logar at May 8, 2010 12:03 PM

the climax just fell flat.

Man, I HATE it when that happens.

Posted by: Lindsey with an 'e' at May 8, 2010 2:35 PM

This movie was definitely a disappointment but Rockwell was incredible (nice touch with the self tanner on the palms during the dinner scene) and Paltrow was perfect. I loved RDJ in this one too, he was funny at his birthday party. Cheadle was a bad choice and didn't work at all. Johansson manages to be consistently the most gorgeous yet least sexy woman in Hollywood and bored the hell out of me every time she was on screen.(by the way, where are her breasts in this movie? I missed them.) Sam Jackson was unnecessary. I couldn't really put it into words after the movie ended but you're so right about Rourke's performance, Dustin. He was good but the character didn't really fit the tone.

I'd have to agree, overall this wasn't great (nowhere near the quality of the first) but it's better than most of what gets released lately.

Posted by: becks at May 8, 2010 3:11 PM

Ok, I didn't want to have to do this, I was totally going to wait until someone else said something, but I saw this at 4pm yesterday in the smallest, dirtiest theater in Ohio, and I'm wondering if I somehow got gypped: was there a clip after the credits???? For anyone else, who saw it in some place reputable/sanitary/not terrifying? And if so, what was on it? And if not, why is no one as upset about this as I am?

Posted by: couch and pants at May 8, 2010 3:56 PM

Yes, there's a bit after the credits. Never go to that theater again.


Yeah, there seem to be a lot of whiners and snippy bitches around this movie. I don't get it. Oh, right....it's Pajiba! HAW HAW!

Posted by: Jay at May 8, 2010 5:46 PM

DISCLAIMER!

long as* post ahead. Read it or skip it but pls dun bit*h bout it.

great. i was busy with Shattered Horizon when this review came out.

Just read tru all the comments and all i can say is....really?

I mean, wat else do u want, ppl?

Scar-meh-Jo is not a surprise. we knew bout dat since the day the casting was announced. were you guys actually expecting her to do something special?

And all this Paltrow hate....is this still bout her winning for Shakespeare in Love? Yes, i hate dat dat movie won instead of Saving Private Ryan but seriously, you gotta move on. I still hold on to her performance in Seven no matter wat.

N tis whole Avengers subplot hate i'm getting here? how the heck else is Favreau suppose to pull it off in 2 hrs? Cut the guy some break alredi. Jeez...


You want tis to be as long n as pointless as Revenge of the F-tards?

If the Avengers subplot bored you then, i'm sorry you're not a bigger fan of the comics.

This page is a gud example on why superhero mashup movies will never make it in the long run.

if you can't care bout wats important to other ppl, then just block it out or go to the loo when Nick-motherfu*king-Fury pops up.

Thor is in production. the Capt. has started rolling. And Edward better not be a douche to RDJ.

The Avengers is happening ppl. So, you either get in line or lemme blast u away wit my energy repulsor.

KateMC: "...and I still can't believe so little was done with the Demon in a Bottle storyline"

[facepalm]

Favreau has always been vocal bout tis.

Watch tis: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1B-bsTP0xW8 (for some reason, if i put in a hyperlink, Pajiba refuses to post my comment)

Posted by: haplo at May 8, 2010 10:01 PM


Chill out. I just went with my 6 year old, and he loved it. So did I.

It ain't Dark Night, but it doesn't try to be either. I thought it was pitch perfect.

Posted by: Lance at May 8, 2010 10:35 PM

Oh, and the title is somewhat misleading;
it really should be called The Avengers: The Prequel.


yeah, that's the feeling I got from this ... advertisement.

and Mickey Rourke was fine as Vanko, they just didn't really develop him to be the threat that he's supposed to be ...


also ... when will Hollywood stop making superhero films? there are a lot of comics that don't involve incredibly rich playboys putting on Halloween costumes to fight other goofy men (who are mostly poorer than said billionaires) in Halloween costumes ...

Posted by: lelnguye at May 8, 2010 11:45 PM

I was thoroughly disappointed. I did a review on my YouTube channel. Link on my name.

The film just felt flat. It seemed liked no one on that screen cared and neither did I.

Posted by: Tetsubo at May 9, 2010 3:37 AM

I thought it was pitch perfect

Thank you!

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and Mickey Rourke was fine as Vanko, they just didn't really develop him to be the threat that he's supposed to be ...

i din cover Rourke dat time but if u ask me it's kinda obvious why. the movie's only 2 hrs.

can you guys stop for a moment, and look at how many concurrent threads was running in that movie?

No wonder Vanko was not allowed to go sh*tballs crazy bcoz they had to make space for Hammeroid's droid fight n, n, the brawl wit War Machine.

those cud have easily been replaced by more of Vanko's attempts but then, that wud mean a generic superhero movie where the baddie keeps trying and failing.

Posted by: haplo at May 9, 2010 5:43 AM

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Posted by: Fredo at May 9, 2010 2:30 PM

Two questions:

When Tony Stark was watching his father on the old film footage, was anyone else expecting to hear "HELLO RUSTY!"

Also, am I a racist for suggsting that Don Cheadle looks kind of like Tim Meadows?

Posted by: Leftylad at May 9, 2010 4:35 PM

Just saw it. Here are my thoughts still fresh in my mind.

The editing in this film was for SHIT. You can throw the lame "it's a great popcorn summer flick" in my face all you want but the editing was SHIT. It would shift from one scene in the middle of a thought to another one with no transition whatsoever. That's piss poor laziness.

Too many characters. I was hoping we wouldn't see as much Nick Fury as we did. I don't want to get tired of him before The Avengers hits screens. Too much Fury.

Scarlett Johansson takes the cake for complete and utter inability to act in an action film though. In the scene where she slams Hammer's face into the desk and screams "Where is he!?!?!" I actually started laughing. She was brutal. And you're right Dustin, she completey took away from Paltrow's fantastic Pepper Potts. The character of Romanov was unnecessary in the film. She honestly served no purpose but for tits and ass.

And then there's Cheadle. Look, I'm not one of those people who was ready to burn down the Hollywood sign when Howard was axed, but after seeing this and watching Cheadle, his absence was sorely noted. I love Don Cheadle, but he didn't fit the role and his one-liners were by far the worst delivered without the slightest hint of gusto which might have saved him.

Rockwell and Downey were awesome, blah blah blah. And I do disagree with the majority of reviews that there was a lack of substance in relation to the first. Despite the fact that the whole father/son misunderstood relationship issues is like one of the MOST over used cliches in the action franchise, it actually worked here.

What didn't work? All the other over used action genre cliches that need to be expelled from the action genre rule book. I get it, Vanko is bad...let's get rid of the old scar through the eye cliche. I get it, Vanko's badass...let's get rid of the whole walking slowly while everything blows to fucking bits behind you cliche. Isn't anyone else tired of the same old shit?

Look, in the end. My impression of the film is a lot better than my words have made it out to be. Everything said above is out of frustration and dissapointment. My brother and I said it best while we left the theatre:

Brother: It could have been so much worse.
Me: That's true. But it could have also been so much better.

Posted by: citizen_cris at May 9, 2010 6:47 PM

If you didn't enjoy this film than I truly pity you. You are the rare breed that is so over-analytical that you cannot turn your brain off to enjoy a well made action movie.

And screw you Dustin. Scarlet Johansson was a thing of beauty.

Posted by: Littlejon2001 at May 9, 2010 8:09 PM

I love a good action movie. Adore them. Loved the first one for all the reasons DR gave in his review.

But... this was not that good.

RDJ phoned it in (dialogue in the first and third acts was terrible, particularly after his brilliant turn in the first), Potts was made to look incapable of doing anything but calling the police, and the Avengers guys were a complete waste of time. Cheadle made me sad.

Plus, the MacGuffin? Come on. This was Transformers 2, Favreau-style.

On a positive note, Shandling was fucking great, Vanko was pretty good considering the role he had to play and I loved Rockwell (although that's personal).

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Posted by: The Kilted Yaksman at May 10, 2010 2:30 PM

Saw it this weekend and thought it was good.

It was funny and the action was good. I was not looking for The Dark Knight, just looking to have a little fun and the opportunity to eat some popcorn.

RDJ was fine, it IS the RDJ show and I was not disappointed.

Paltrow was a little too frazzled for my taste this time around but still like the character.
Note to Paltrow: If you can't walk in those four inch heels don't WEAR them. Nothing worse than seeing a woman tiptoeing around because her heels are too high.

Rourke was okay as Vanko but someone should have snatched that toothpick out of his mouth. I know revenge is a dish best served cold but I never got a real sense of his hatred for Stark.

As for Scarlett, if her acting ability had matched the great physicality she displayed in her role, she would have been awesome.

Rockwell was great, really pitch perfect. Sad, sad little boy, penis envy at its best or worst. I actually felt bad for his character, always the bridesmaid never the bride.

Cheadle was ummmm...how can I say this, oh I know...just sad. Never thought I would miss Terrence Howard.

The Shield storyline was a waste of time. It's only purpose was to resolve the blood poisoning issue and Tony synthesized that new element with a little too much ease.

But overall I enjoyed it.

Posted by: allheavens at May 10, 2010 3:35 PM

@Che

Sorry, I didn't read anything posted after my comment until now.

I liked Rockwell because I thought he was cheesy and over the top in a very funny and mesmerizing way which is exactly what Iron Man 2 seemed to be aiming for (remember the Iron Man cheerleader dance?). I thought he was a schmarmy, L.A. type asswipe with perfect impotent rage throughout the whole film. I would actually describe him as "comic-booky" if that was a word. I like Rockwell in general but I don't think that colored my view because I love Cheadle and still felt he was wrong for Iron Man. Just my opinion though but it seems you would rather everyone had a realistic vibe (which is fine) when the movie was going for way over the top. I think Rockwell got the tone right where some other actors did a fine job but weren't right for this particular movie.

Or maybe I'm just a young moron, either is entirely possible.

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both the (allegedly kickass) women in this movie became Tony Stark's fucking secretaries. There's even several shots to that effect; it's awful. Wake me up when there's a good superhero movie that doesn't involve penises.

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