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We. Are. F**ked.

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (106)



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There is a very simple but effective message in IOUSA, Patrick Creadon’s follow-up to the outstanding cross-word documentary, Wordplay. And it is this: We are so fucked. Worse yet, our grandkids are supremely fucked. If we keep going at our current pace, taxpayers in the year 2040 (just 30 years away) will not only have exorbitant tax rates, but they won’t get shit in return. It’ll all go toward paying interest on our debt and a little Social Security. Otherwise, the federal government will have to completely shut down.

For those of you, like myself, who understand that we have a huge deficit problem, but really don’t understand either the magnitude of that problem or the consequences of it, IOUSA is a real eye-opener, although the DVD should come with a free stick so you can poke yourself in the eye with it afterwards. If you’re under the age of 50, and plan on living at least another 30 years, the documentary is downright terrifying. What’s even more unsettling is that the film is based on pre-recession numbers. The economy was still going relatively strong when IOUSA was being produced (or so we thought, at least), and the idea that the documentary is working with numbers before the stimulus bill, the bailouts, and the housing collapse makes it even more ominous and frightening.

IOUSA attempts to explain the United States’ fiscal crisis in terms that ordinary people might understand (and if you, like me, are numbers retarded, you’ll probably still understand two-thirds of it). Based loosely on William Bonner’s book Empire of Debt, the doc uses archival footage and experts like Warren Buffet, Alan Greenspan, Judd Gregg, and former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neil to provide a lot of the metaphors. But the real power of the movie lies within the narration and the fun little cartoon graphs that elucidate and petrify at the same time (I think the back-to-landers had it right in the 1970s; they just missed it by a few decades). The film is broken up into four chapters, focusing on the budget deficit, the savings deficit, the trade deficit, and the leadership deficit. Chances are, the chapter on the budget deficit will so freak you out that you’ll be numb to the shock by the time the latter half of the film rolls around.

Here’s the gist of those numbers, and remember these numbers are pre-recession: In early 2008, we had an $8.7 trillion dollar debt (It’s $11 trillion now). Our gross domestic product (GDP), or the measure of all national income and output, is around $13.5 trillion. Even with the $8.7 trillion figure, our debt represented 64 percent of our total economy. Historically, that’s bad. As bad as it’s ever been, save for the Great Depression, when it peaked at 122 percent of the GDP. But the big difference between now and then is that most of that debt was financed by war bonds, so all the debt was paid back to Americans (now, most of that debt is owned by China, the oil producing countries, and Canada). For more historical context, the debt when Ronald Reagan came into office was 33 percent; after 12 years of supply-side economics, it grew to 64 percent when President Clinton came into office. Clinton put a big dent in the number (in fact, the national debt clock was retired for a time because it didn’t work backwards) and left office with record surpluses predicted well into the future. We’re saved! Right?

No. Then came George W. Bush. IOUSA aptly analogizes the budget problem with a diet. The only way to lose weight (the debt), is to eat less (reduce spending) or exercise (increase taxes). Bonehead Bush sat in front of the TV for eight years and scarfed down pizza and nachos — he exercised less, he ate more, which meant that he not only increased spending massively, he also reduced taxes, which put us in our current situation. Keep in mind, too, that these numbers include the current Social Security surplus, a surplus that will turn into a deficit in 10 years when the boomers retire, which means that our yearly debt will increase exponentially. No. Seriously. We’re fucked.

Fine, right? So, we’ve got a debt problem. Big deal. Countries run deficits. What the hell does it mean? It means that, at some point, there will be no choice in the matter: Taxes will have to be raised (a lot) to pay to service our debt, and spending will have to be curtailed (a lot). In fact, in order to finance our current liabilities, in addition to the promises we’ve made in the form of Social Security and Medicare, we’d need $53 trillion. That’s $185,000 per person. And given the fact that we import far more than we produce (we import 17 percent of the GDP), and our savings rate has gone from 13 percent in the 1970s to -2.9 percent in 2007, it all means that we owe a ton and have no money to speak of. Hooray!

Indeed, we’re heading toward financial ruin. And God Bless him, Barack Obama isn’t helping. According to IOUSA (which was released into theaters during the presidential campaign), if the President eliminated earmarks, rolled back the Bush tax cuts, and ended the war in Iraq, he’d only be able to cut 14 percent off the debt. And what the filmmakers didn’t know was that we’d pass that stimulus bill, pay a few trillion more in bailouts, and propose a budget that would add another trillion for health care. All of which is to say: Barack Obama has been put in a dangerously tenuous situation. He can’t afford to do nothing and, in fact, during recessions, the United States historically runs up huge deficits. But in this case, Obama started with a huge deficit. In order to stimulate the economy, he’s got to run up massive deficits, and in a few years, he (or someone else) will have to raise taxes to pay it back. Either that, or eliminate the post office, the Department of Defense, and Social Security/Medicare. Obama may somehow manage to reduce the unemployment rate in this country, but the debt is only going to get worse. And in four years, it doesn’t matter who created it initially. Obama is going to get the blame. It’s sad, really, that the only time the deficit has been reduced over the last 30 years was under a Democratic president, yet it’s the Republicans who somehow have the reputation of deficit hawks.









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Comments

I"m gonna sit in the corner and twitch

Posted by: Withnail at April 3, 2009 11:51 AM

Party at my house?

Posted by: Kolby at April 3, 2009 11:52 AM

...now, most of that debt is owned by China, the oil producing countries, and Canada)

We are also the biggest exporter of oil to the U.S.. Now, considering we own your asses, I would like a little more respect.

Never fear though, you all can come live with me. We (Saskatchewan) are weathering the recession remarkably well, in fact, we are having to go to other provinces to find people to come and work here.

The state of U.S. finances in really terrifying though. A good write-up of an intersting subject. I'm going to have to rent it.

Posted by: admin at April 3, 2009 11:59 AM

Grover Nordquist has long said this was the plan. That the idea was to cripple the Federal govt by making it so debt ridden it couldn't do anything. I think the quaote is along the lines of "I don't want to kill the government, just make it small enough that I can drown it in the bathtub." Now Grover is a little insane, but the outcome is probably the same. During the Bush years one of the more disturbing things I remember reading was that the US had never tried to fund a war and cut taxes at the same time. Yet, that's exactly what G.W and friends tried to do. Although the government has never shrunk during a Republican administration, they are the party of small government. Go figure.

Posted by: Mrcreosote at April 3, 2009 11:59 AM

That last in should be an is.

Posted by: admin at April 3, 2009 11:59 AM

I'm not an American so I can point at you guys and giggle "You're SCREWED!"
Funny thing is, my country is more screwed, but at least we knew about it.

Posted by: Irina at April 3, 2009 12:01 PM

"Chances are, the chapter on the budget deficit will so freak you out that you’ll be numb to the shock by the time the latter half of the film rolls around."

The review itself has me nauseous, don't think I could stand to watch the actual documentary.

Kolby- all I can afford to bring is some moonpies and MadDog 20/20 or a six pack of PBR. Woo-Hoo!

Posted by: legib at April 3, 2009 12:02 PM

Oh holy fuck...

I'm moving to New Zealand.

Posted by: Trouble at April 3, 2009 12:19 PM

No politicians want to get rid of deficits or debt.

And as much as I hate W, which is a lot, Clinton's apparent budget successes are none of his fault at all. He flew high on the internet bubble, which crashed when Bush entered office. It was fake in the same way that the "growth" under Bush was a mirage caused by the housing bubble. All of this is happening because the government wants your votes so they keep injecting a dying economy with more adrenaline so it will do one more lap. Nobody wants to tell us that we have to go through some pain and get back to work.

Posted by: Eep at April 3, 2009 12:25 PM

It’s sad, really, that the only time the deficit has been reduced over the last 30 years was under a Democratic president, yet it’s the Republicans who somehow have the reputation of deficit hawks.

Well put. I keep telling people my age that if they don't want to be paupers when they're old, the best retirement plan is to plan on not retiring. Then they look at me as if I have three heads.

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 3, 2009 12:32 PM

Yeah, my eye still twitches whenever someone remembers that Clinton took the deficit out behind the shed and whipped the living shit out of it - but the cronies still had him impeached for lying about getting his dick or cigar wet.

No, I'm not American, but my two elder children are and I worry about their future.

Posted by: malikvlc at April 3, 2009 12:32 PM

Obviously, the solution to this problem is to legalalize marijuana.

Posted by: Samanthrax at April 3, 2009 12:33 PM

legalalize = legalize emphatically

Posted by: Samanthrax at April 3, 2009 12:34 PM

That's it. I was on the fence, but this mad the decision for me:

I'm getting fucking hammered tonight.

The sad thing is, I've suspected all along that it was far worse than we thought. It turns out it might be worse than that.

Posted by: TK at April 3, 2009 12:35 PM

We should probably legalalize it, too. Just to be safe.

Posted by: Sean at April 3, 2009 12:40 PM

TK, when have you ever been on the fence about getting hammered? Not that it makes your suspicions any less valid, but let's be honest here.

Posted by: Sean at April 3, 2009 12:41 PM

None of this doom and gloom stuff is going to happen, you know, because the proles will revolt and destroy the U.S. long before we have to actually pay off our debts. A country with such a STAGGERING separation of classes cannot sustain itself for long, and the middle class just keeps shrinking in this economy.

Posted by: idgiepug at April 3, 2009 12:47 PM

Fine idea, Trouble. Lovely landscape, good food, wonderful people, boobies on the teevee in prime time. They sell fresh donuts from little stands on the streets of Auckland. Yep, Kiwi is the life for me. I'll change my name to Mosi Tatupu, claim to be a Maori with kinky hair and start a sheep farm.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 3, 2009 12:50 PM

Even though I fear I'm gonna get my ass kicked all the way to hell on the first time I delurk I just have to say the following:
As an economics student I'm confronted with the current crisis and the worldwide/US deficit more or less every single day.
I think that the core reason for the credit crunch is the same as the one that makes such a huge deficit on the trade balance possible. At a very basic level it is caused by a different mentality towards credit in general in the US. People don't seem to mind being indebted way beyond their capacities, be it to banks or any other institution.
I'll give you an example that I've seen as a foreigner: Never ever would a European bank/mortgage agency give you a mortgage loan for 130% of the value of your home, here you're lucky if you find a mortgage that will cover 80% of your house's value.
And another example: I know of people my age who have about 5 creditcards that are all maxed out. When I look around me here in Europe, most of my friends don't HAVE credit cards. They just have a simple debit card.
Anyway, I've been rambling long enough.

*steps off soapbox and hides*

Posted by: silviou at April 3, 2009 12:51 PM

I'm gonna but a farm on Fiji and get a sheep and a cow and breed horses.

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 3, 2009 12:52 PM

frumplefox: I suggest goats. But keep the billy away from the house. He stinky.

Posted by: boo at April 3, 2009 12:53 PM

*buy

Damn my stupid fingers!

Posted by: f-foxy at April 3, 2009 12:54 PM

And damn my having too many stupid monikers in too many stupid places! Feh, I'm going to go lay down now.

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 3, 2009 12:55 PM

I'm not sure there's any real logic against your points, silviou. Americans are far too reliant on credit and tend to have very little savings and liquid assets. We're just dumb that way.

Posted by: Sean at April 3, 2009 12:56 PM

Goats are good. I mean, if you are into that kind of stuff. It's not beastiality if they like it too!

Posted by: Irina at April 3, 2009 12:57 PM

Silviou, why are you hiding? I think you've made an excellent point. Many Americans do live within their means; there's just a growing population of those who don't because they've been fooled into thinking that there's something wrong with a middle-class life. They aspire to granite countertops on laminate budgets.

I have a thing about granite countertops. They bug me. Stupid waste.

Posted by: idgiepug at April 3, 2009 12:59 PM

It's all well and good until you find out you're allergic to goats, really.

Posted by: Samanthrax at April 3, 2009 12:59 PM

Very valid points silviou, although credit and its corrisponding debt are not necessarily bad things as long as they are well managed. What scares me is that the U.S. owes China a metric shit-ton of money. At the current rate that China is expanding their economy, I fully expect that they will be dictating the direction of the global economy shortly.

Posted by: admin at April 3, 2009 12:59 PM

We're just jealous of how messed up everyone else's economy was after WWII so we're playing a little catch-up.


Me, I've got better things to despair about. Besides I've still got a job and I could kill myself any time I wanted and could die by fate's hand before that. Nothing is written.

Posted by: Jay at April 3, 2009 1:00 PM

I fully expect to work for the rest of my life and have no illusions that Social Security is going to be around to help my geriatric ass. Or if it is the people cashing in on it will have to reach a ripe old age of 100 or something. Culling the herd. The entire concept of retirement has become one of those wistful dreams of yesteryear that Ethel romanticizes from her perch as a greeter for Wal-Mart.

Now if only we can do an about face on the whole "childhood as a sacred time of puppy dog tails and spiced sugar" and put those babies to work, pumping out cheap sneakers and digging ditches...

Posted by: Leigh Hacksaw at April 3, 2009 1:02 PM

Unfortunately, no one will want your 80 year old ass to work for them, Leigh.

Nothing terrifies me quite like the future.

Posted by: Samanthrax at April 3, 2009 1:04 PM

Rowles, you say President Obama can't really do anything, but couldn't he cut a shit ton of spending and increase taxes? I mean, I know he wouldn't be able to buy all the health care and college education that he promised during his campaign, but for crying out loud we fucking spend too much. Yes, it was effing stupid Bush spent as much as he did, but digging the hole deeper won't help us get out. We as a nation need to learn to tighten our belts and save as much as possible

silviou, I actually agree with you. I knew of kids in college with five-figure credit card debt. I don't even have a credit card! So many people my age have such a distorted concept of money because they don't spend "real" money. What happened to saving and such? What happened to not spending money you don't have.

And you know what, I'm just gonna throw this out there: fuck Social Security. Sorry Grandma, I know you refuse to let it go, but it's that program that has initialized a concept that we can't save for ourselves. Now I'm going to have to pay for the Baby Boomers to live.

Shit, where's my federally funded hand gun and complimentary bullet?

Posted by: Kayanne at April 3, 2009 1:06 PM

Can't afford to live
Guess I'll have to try
Undertakers got a union
It costs too much to die

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 3, 2009 1:06 PM

After I'm done sitting next to Withnail in the corner twitching, I'm joining Trouble and Tracer Bullet in New Zealand. Y'all don't mind if I tag along, do you?

Posted by: tamatha at April 3, 2009 1:06 PM

The surplus from the Clinton years was just as much a product of the '94 Republican congress if not more. If I remember correctly, they ran on a platform which instisted on a balanced budget and won the majority seats in congress overwhelmingly. Clinton signed the budget reluctantly with some verbal disclaimers.

Posted by: Handel at April 3, 2009 1:06 PM

Boy, I hope a political argument breaks out.

Posted by: Jay at April 3, 2009 1:16 PM

Well Samanthrax, then maybe we've all got a nice Soylent Green scenario to look forward to in the future.

Blech. I think I'll go swab my memory clean with the liberal dose of vodka. Then I can get back to my SUV driving, latte swilling existence and act perfectly outraged and baffled once shit hits the collective fan. Why do today what I can put off to the future. Am I right? Right...

Posted by: Leigh Hacksaw at April 3, 2009 1:21 PM

Of course not, tamatha! Join us! I don't want to go alone! We can have an organic sprout farm with sheep, goats, and such.

Posted by: Trouble at April 3, 2009 1:22 PM

If I've learned one thing from watching South Park this season, it's that the Economy is not to be mocked. We have mocked the economy for too long, and yea, now we feel the economies wrath.

Posted by: Roaddog at April 3, 2009 1:24 PM

I was gonna write what Eep wrote, and now I don't have to.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at April 3, 2009 1:28 PM

OK, Jay, here goes nothing:

If you're not voting Libertarian, you have no one but yourselves to blame.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at April 3, 2009 1:29 PM

The only reason we had a surplus during Clinton's time in office was because there was a short lived law that died in '02 that FORCED the federal government to balance the budget (how soon we forget). As soon as that expired, Bush and his cronies saw the surplus that was created and then said, "look, we can be popular and not raises taxes while spending that excess money." So they did - Bush never ONCE vetoed a spending bill. Did anyone complain, other than bitching in some online forum like this? Did anyone demand that balanced budget bill come back? No.

So hear we sit - screwed. Obama and his boys should've let everything collapse as it was going to and then picked up the pieces. But no, we had to "save" failing companies. Free market be damned. Now, Obama puts up the largest budget in federal history and since the Dems have control, their going to force it down our throats and screw us even more.

Personally, I smell a conspiracy behind this BS. Either our politicians (on both side) are complete morons, or else someone has a master plan that's out to crush this country.

Posted by: B-Unit at April 3, 2009 1:30 PM

Well, ya know, I was kinda being sarcastic.

Posted by: Jay at April 3, 2009 1:31 PM

By the way, THEY want you to drink and not think about this - and that's exactly the behavior on the part of all of us that put us where we are today.

Posted by: B-Unit at April 3, 2009 1:32 PM

Rowles!!!!!!

Posted by: Jay at April 3, 2009 1:34 PM

It's worth remembering that IOUSA - while certainly right about a lot of things - is in its own way alarmist. It frequently refers to "total unfunded mandates" so it can wave about ginormouso-huge figures and say "we'll owe eleventy trillion dollars by 20X6," but that's a way of saying "all the money we will borrow by 20X6 adds up to this," which is like me saying I'll owe my landlord $20000 in ten years; I'm paying the rent every month, so it's not exactly the same thing.

Is the USA fucked? Not irredeemably. It doesn't help when you have dipshits like Evan Bayh pontificating about the need for financial responsibility at the same time as he's pushing for quarter-trillion estate tax cuts, but the simple truth is that inflation and a decade or so of fiscal responsibility can fix a lot of the USA's economic mess, and the political climate is ripe for a return to a tax policy that is not fucking retarded.

And Obama's spending because he has to spend. If the USA went into depression economics you would REALLY be fucked.

Posted by: mightygodking at April 3, 2009 1:48 PM

Wow. That was goddam depressing. Looks like my only choice is to get a job at a giant corporation, fuck up royally, and collect some sort of ludicrous termination bonus to the tune of a couple million. Sigh...

In all seriousness though, can someone, as I am economically retardo, explain how doling out a shitheap of dough to companies that essentially put us in this mess fixes things? Why don't they spread out the dough among Americans? Is it because they need to keep everyone (at least the stupid fucks who spent way more than they should've) in massive debt, or is it because they're afraid we'd all move up to Canada to squat in admin's backyard?

Posted by: Skitz at April 3, 2009 1:57 PM

It doesn't matter where you move, if the US tanks we're taking everyone with us. That's how complicated and inbred the world economy is. We've only stayed afloat this long because other countries have been loaning us hilarious amounts of money. Why? Because if the US fails you will see the global economy in worse off shape than it is.

Our problem is we are no longer a nation of producers. We've outsourced so much and what we haven't (cough cough Car manufacturers) are strained because of bad business decisions and shitty quality. Not only this but you can only support a system in which people can wrack up debts they never pay for so long. Unchecked credit, leveraging by banks, and greed have been unregulated for quite some time now.

It's also very intellectually dishonest to levy this all on George Bush. This was a long time coming. As much as retarded free market assholes don't want to admit it, it started with Reagan and Neo-conservative bullshit. And although Clinton's reign gave us a balanced budget he set in motion some very dubious economic policies (see: NAFTA).

Posted by: Hurp Durp at April 3, 2009 2:00 PM

Exactly. I listen to a few minutes of conservative radio most mornings on my way to work, and today, they were ranting that since the stock market had its best showing in March since the Great Depression, that's a sign we should cut the federal stimulus spending. Do they really not see that *maybe* there could be a correlation? That the spending, the feeling that the government is trying to help boost the economy, inspires enough confidence to make people shake the moths out of their wallets and invest?

The stock market's ups and downs is all freakin' emotional...how people *feel* like they can make money today. If it weren't, we'd never have had the tech bubble, I guarantee you that.

Posted by: Wednesday at April 3, 2009 2:03 PM

Well,

I have to say that I am impressed this hasn't turned into a shitstorm of negativity...a lot of good points being throw out here....my problem here is..do ANY of you actually beleive that ANY politician is going to do what is right for us? I mean, GW, Obama...they are all the same animal..bowing to the powers that put them into their positions of "power" in the first place. They are puppets...not neccessarily of big corporations, but movements. Doubling the national debt wasn't necc. to avoid a depression any more than tax cuts during a war. If they would have let the big companies fail and the auto industry take a hard look at what they were doing instead of holding their hands then perhaps we would struggle for 5 years or so..now we are stuck in what someone said was "one more lap" syndrome....with no change coming any time soon unless there is a massive taxpayer revolt. And the whole tea party thing is just shameful...I mean, the thing these people are MOST comcerned with is helping other people remain in their homes? THAT is the battle you want to fight in the streets? Screwing your neighbor to teach them a lesson? There weren't any tea parties when hundreds of billions of dollars went to the BANKS WHO OWNED the mortgages and STILL forced people out of their homes, winning on both ends of the deal....AGAIN.

Bottom line, don't be an idiot and be fooled into thinking that anyone in the media, big corporate or the government actually gives a rat's ass about you or your family.

VOTE these people out of office. ALL of them. Especially the ones that hold seats on the committees, they are the most corrupt. Get over blue and red, rep and dem, conservative and liberal. Most people aren't all the way on one side anyway....and if you are you are either an idiot or you have no soul or perhaps both, but definitely can't think for yourself. You have to be 21 to have a drink. 21 to make a bet. Need a license to drive a car or fish. But once you hit 18 you are allowed to help decide the fate of our country with no prequalifications. Not even...are you ALIVE? Are you a REAL person? Are you a CITIZEN?

Posted by: MisterPoopyPants at April 3, 2009 2:07 PM

Yeah unfortunately the American people are such sheep they won't cut the partisan crap any time soon. The biggest problem with our system is the lack of actual knowledge in what our politicians are doing. Not everyone has the time or means to find out. Our media fails us in this regard. Until the average American gets politically savvy enough to know just who is fucking them over and why, all we'll have are these dumb popularity contests in which American citizens treat the fucking thing like a game, and root for people like they would football teams. The United States needs to grow the fuck up. Maybe this won't happen till we hit rock bottom and are forced to deal with a real depression.

Posted by: Hurp Durp at April 3, 2009 2:12 PM

Fuck it, man, this ship is going down!

I, for one, welcome it. It's all fucking fake. Your money says "Federal Reserve Note" and not "Gold Certificate" for a reason.

And what if we default on our loans? What then? Would the other nations that bought all our debt collapse? It's fucking hilarious. It's like two dudes on an island with one saying, "You owe me one trillion dollars." And everybody is running around like it means something. What if both the dudes just said, "OK, no one has any debt anymore. Games over, this round anyway. We're back to zero. Everybody cool with that?" (Yeah, there are now other people on the island...it's my fucking metaphor, asshole)

So, fuck it, let it fall. Maybe it will make people stop and think what that number on that piece of paper you use to buy bread actually means.

Then again, I have no concern for my physical or financial well-being, and I don't have kids. Shit, sorry for the rest of you.

Posted by: tnassip at April 3, 2009 2:13 PM

I will gladly pay more in taxes if it means I can walk down the street to the plaid pantry and buy a pack of joints.

Posted by: VeinsRHiways at April 3, 2009 2:16 PM

The supposed "stimulus" package has doled out a penny yet, so any of this recent stock market gains has absolutely NOTHING to do with Obama's plan.

Here would have been a 100% better idea: instead of spending the amount of cash in stimulus plan on BS projects, the government could have ELIMINATED the federal income tax for an entire year. No one would have had to pay federal income tax, meaning everyone would have had a shitload more money in their pockets. With the way Americans spend these days, that extra cash in our pockets would've stimulated the economy over and above anything the government has planned. Consider that for a moment.

Posted by: B-Unit at April 3, 2009 2:24 PM

I have a radical but awesome idea. You know all those fucking board members of the failing companies who got us into this mess? How about we strip them of their fucking money. You know seeing as how they basically acquired much of it from fraud and bullshit business practices to begin with. If they don't like it, fuck them, the American people have supported their elaborate and haughty lifestyles for far too long.

Posted by: Hurp Durp at April 3, 2009 2:27 PM

It's worth remembering that IOUSA - while certainly right about a lot of things - is in its own way alarmist.

Brav-fucking-O. Great points throughout mightygodking's post.

Money is not a static thing. It's value changes. If our national debt is owned by China and Canada then it is those countries that will suffer when the currency is devalued, mostly by market forces. So foreigners will be awash in dollars. What are they going to do with them? Buy American stuff, that's what. So our economy strengthens on the backs of their purchases. Is it going to be without pain, no. But it's not time to move to NZ either, as nice as the Kiwis are.

My biggest gripe against GWB was his fiscal irresponsibility and history will likely judge him most harshly on it, but Obama has no choice but to spend us out of this mess. We can fix the resulting debt later.

Posted by: ed newman at April 3, 2009 2:31 PM

admin, how go Saskatchewan's preparations to deal with the influx of American economic refugees? Remember, according to Directive Tropical Eskimo all squatters/visitors have to take Canadian names if they're going to stay. Prepare to distinguish between many Dougies, Lauries, Donnies, and Hoseheads.

What's the new flag for the United States of China, As Seen On TV going to look like?

Posted by: lordhelmet at April 3, 2009 2:35 PM

Buy American stuff, that's what.

Like what? Overpriced crap cars and cheese?

The continued popularity of cut-rate crap from foriegn countries that is shipping manufacturing down the river. (As a country, we'd be more than happy to overlook all of the environmental ills that go along with industry if it were profitable to make stuff here.) I just don't see that changing.

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 3, 2009 2:47 PM

American cheese is so inferior.

Posted by: Hurp Durp at April 3, 2009 2:51 PM

Silviou:

Be careful on that soapbox. It's not as sturdy as you think. While European banks did not lend as much to European home borrowers (although a quick look at the housing market and mortgage loan performance in Ireland and Spain might suggest otherwise) those same banks lent vigorously to European corporations and to emerging markets in Easterm Europe. In fact, coming into this crisis the European banks had significantly higher leverage than thier US counterparts and have INCREASED leverage through the crisis, in part by gaming the ECB funding schemes designed to help the banks stay afloat. A reason you don't see as many high profile problems of European banks (and you've had a few) is more a function of lack of transparency in accounting for European companies than any kind of prudent lending decisions. I'm not suggesting that the US borrower or lender was any less irresponsible, just that this is a global problem brought on by global greed. The whole industrialized world made a huge levered bet on global growth and the continued growth of the consumer. In the US, that bet took the form of mortgage lending, in Europe, it was corporate lending, in the UK, commercial lending, Austrailia, mining, and so on. It took us 15 years to build this machine and it involved almost every consumer, company, and government on the planet. Now we're breaking it. Buckle your chinstrap and hold on tight.....we're just beginning.

Posted by: RegDunlop at April 3, 2009 3:01 PM

Buy locally. Support your local farmers.

Because they might be supporting you pretty soon.

It won't be the zombie invasion; it will be the "hungry neighbor" invasion. Which is why I am still a huge proponent for gun ownership.

Libertarian? Why, yes, I think I am.

Posted by: boo at April 3, 2009 3:02 PM

Oh, and if you haven't read the fabulous article in this month's Vanity Fair about Iceland's economic disaster, you should. It is really enlightening.

Posted by: boo at April 3, 2009 3:03 PM

Well, if we're talking Kraft Singles, American cheese sucks, but I don't recognize that shit as cheese. However, the US does consistently kick ass in the World Cheese Championships.

boo, you're a girl after my own heart. To the farmer's market!

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 3, 2009 3:09 PM

Did America invent Easy Cheese? If so, SUCK IT COMMIES! Man, that aerosol bacon infused glop is the bizombittybingbomb. Plus, it helps my heart beat faster...

Posted by: Skitz at April 3, 2009 3:17 PM

Buy American stuff, that's what.

Like what? Overpriced crap cars and cheese?

Yes. And software and services and furniture, etc. Why? Because it won't be overpriced. The dollar won't be able to buy any foreign goods but boy will the Euro and Renminbi buy lots of American goods and services.

Posted by: ed newman at April 3, 2009 3:25 PM

Christ now there is a scary proposition - having to fend off the hungry from my home.

No one can fuck you w/o your consent... no wait a minute, that's not how the saying goes.
The best thing we can do is learn to fend for ourselves, learn to save, learn to live within your means, and not ADD to the destruction.
And vote with your mind, not your party.

Posted by: Stella at April 3, 2009 3:29 PM

Also, as a response to the idea that our debt will be debilitating I can offer one solution that does not involve booze or handguns: Massive Inflation.

This has been the fallback of many debtor nations throughout history. By running massive inflation we would reduce the ultimate cost of debt in real terms (purchasing power is a good way to think of this) without increasing taxes. In simple terms, we would just print the money we need to service debt. This solution carries with it a whole host of negative side effects, some so powerful that there has been decades long debate on whether or not the disease is better than the cure. Regardless of where anyone falls out on the theoretical discussion, the US and UK are currently engaged in exactly this. Both governments are in the process of printing money to buy their own debt. In the US that means we plan to print 1.75 trillion dollars (this number includes the roughly 400 billion already printed and spent) to buy debt backed by new mortgage loans, debt for funding Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, and US Treasury debt. In the UK the government plans to print and spend 76 billion GBP (110 billion USD) to buy its own sovereign debt as well as corporate debt.

The only other options are more taxes or more savings, both of which would have severe negative effects on consumption and on the economy as a whole. Think Great Depression. I don't believe that monetizing debt and producing high inflation are the right things to do for any debtor nation but that's the path we're on.

Posted by: RegDunlop at April 3, 2009 3:30 PM

How long will it take for the US to be able to produce any quantity of things? Will it ever happen? Not to point out the obvious, but the manufacturing infrastructure is weak and dying these days. (Services and software I can see, though, I suppose.)

Posted by: frumpiefox at April 3, 2009 3:48 PM

It doesn't take long to ship in equipment from overseas. Look how quickly it went the other way. But yes, the majority of foreign purchases will not be manufactured goods. That ship has sailed and frankly, I'm not sure we want (most of) it back because that would mean our labor costs would be on par with third world countries.

Posted by: ed newman at April 3, 2009 4:05 PM

"or is it because they're afraid we'd all move up to Canada to squat in admin's backyard?"

You could go there... but it's SASKATCHEWAN. Come to Ontario where it's warmer and somewhat hilly.

Posted by: kerin34 at April 3, 2009 4:19 PM

Economics and finance above the personal level are topics that for some reason my brain simply cannot comprehend, so I don't know what I'm even doing in this thread, but I have decided a few things about life.

1. I'll never be rich/wealthy/whatever. I don't play the lottery, I don't have wealthy relatives, and bags of money dropping out of the sky doesn't happen.

2. I'm ok with #1. I'm thankful that, for whatever reason, I've always been a very easy to please kind of person. As long as I have my home and basic needs taken care of, if I can afford any medication, and have a wee bit left over for the occasional book or plant or bottle of tequila (do you like my priorities?), I'm SUPREMELY happy. Deliriously happy, seriously. (And yes, Mr. Snuggiepants thinks he's very lucky.) Walking through my own gardens is like a vacation to me. Sitting on my back patio as the sun rises with a mug of coffee in my hand? Heaven. On. Earth.

3. I'm in education. As a career. Which means I MIGHT be eating cat food as an old lady (and I went to grad school, dammit). I'm not completely ok with this yet, but I'm doing some trial runs, mixing in a bit of Friskies with the casseroles here and there just to see if I notice. I'll always HAVE cats, so it'll never be weird that I clip cat food coupons when I'm old.

4. I only had one child, so I'm trying to be a good enough mom now so that when I'm super old she won't discard me by the side of the road somewhere.

5. Please don't laugh but my husband convinced me Y2K was gonna be bad. Like Mad Max in the Thunderdome bad. So we spent two years preparing. We were relieved when things were fine, but we learned SO much in those two years and I've kept up with those skills. I can always fall back on them if necessary. We seriously could live in the 1800s if we had to. For real. By late 1999, we were growing almost everything we ate. We were also a lot thinner.

6. Those are my plans. I do worry about future generations, but you know what? I really think they'll be ok.

Posted by: Snuggiepants at April 3, 2009 4:26 PM

Ha ha, kerin34. Warmer?? Only in summer! Hilly? Puh-leeese! Everyone knows BC is where it's at! Why settle for hills when you can have mountains! Summers that don't smell like armpits! Winters that hardly deserve the name! 7/10 retirees can't be all wrong!

Plus, we've got a team in the playoffs. How's them Leafs doing, anyway?

Posted by: lordhelmet at April 3, 2009 4:34 PM

I have a much simpler solution - repeal the 16th Amendment and enact the Fair Tax. No amount of raising taxes is going to buy down our deficit. The Fair Tax will take a huge bite out of it while keeping revenue neutral in the short-run and increasing it in the long run. And it won't involve any inflation, prices on new goods will stay the same and here will be no tax on used goods. Any politician who tells you otherwise is either a liar or hasn't fully read up on it. Go to FairTax.org if you want to learn about it. It's fascinating.

And legalizing marijuana wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: stardust savant at April 3, 2009 4:35 PM

Wait, why "God Bless Obama"?

My only problem with Obama is that he kind of comes off as a press whore.

That whole Jay Leno thing...his fugly wife and passing herself off as a fashion "icon" or something along those lines...how he wants to put up a swing-set on the White House lawn (which just has a lot of bad news that can stem from that)...making brackets for basketball...I just think that he's such a slut for the media.

Apart from that, I haven't much to say about the man. He's not doing much, and I don't think he'll do much in the future. Hopefully, he does. But until some actual progress is shown (I mean shit that stands out and is worth his name being rung out widely in the news), he isn't Christ resurrected...or the Godtopus in human form.

Y'know, whatever sinks your submarine.

Posted by: Riley at April 3, 2009 4:46 PM

You could go there... but it's SASKATCHEWAN

Perhaps but, do you guys have any jobs out there?

My lordhelmet, I shall take great pleasure in watching your hockey team being torn apart on Saturday.

Posted by: admin at April 3, 2009 4:48 PM

RegDunlop
Getting back on my ever so wobbly soapbox, I by all means agree that the whole thing was brought on by the usual greed vs fear idea. And DAMN did the greed part take over the common sense of pretty much everyone involved...
Either way I shouldn't be criticising too much, since those large European banks (Fortis et al)you're talking about have been mostly nationalized by my little country of Belgium among others, so we're screwing up just as badly. I do agree with you though, that people don't realize this crisis insn't going to be over any time soon. By the time what we see now will be "solved" through nationalisation, grants etc, we're pretty much going to be faced with the mother of all inflations :

Posted by: silviou at April 3, 2009 5:19 PM

It is ON, admin. May the best team Canucks win!

(Oh, and Flames suck!)

Posted by: lordhelmet at April 3, 2009 5:21 PM

People have said that if the US goes down other countries will too, and I wanted to elaborate.
We've realised that money is not real as such, it is just a medium for 'barter' that everyone agrees on. Therefore a currency doesn't need to be backed by gold, it is enough to back it with the economy, if that is strong. If the economy is not strong, you back it with securites (or something). Basically it means that poor countries buy dollars, which they can use to stabilise their currencies.
'Buying' dollars in this sense, basically means that they are lending the US money at VERY low interest rates 1-2% (before). Often the same countries are borrowing money for development at MUCH higher rates.
Thus if the US defaults, or 'cheats' by running inflation, then it is using up the savings of poor countries (though this may well be a small proportion of total US debt).
Thank goodness Asia at least is starting to invest in each others economies rather in the Dollar, and the Euro is also a bit of an alternative. But as long as the US has the most powerful economy in the world, people will continue to back their economies up with yours. Joseph Stiglitz is pretty adamant that we need to invent a world currency for this purpose which is not dependent on any one currency and where the money is used to fund something other than US spending.

Posted by: ChrisD at April 3, 2009 5:44 PM

Silviou

The thing that bothers me most about this whole ordeal is that many of the programs in the US have not been and will never be voted on. Stimulus package, sure, bank bailout, that gets voted on, but monetizing debt flies under the radar. It is wholly in the Fed's juristiction to print money to buy debt and that's what they are doing, but none of our representatives, if they can be considered that, ever get a chance to even voice an opinion, much less change the process. The 1.75 trillion is only slightly less than we've spent on all the stimulus and bailout packages combined, including those put through under W. But since we're simply making the money from scratch rather than pulling it out of the budget it never gets voted on. There is much more going on here in addition to monetizing debt that amounts to funnelling hundreds of billions to even trillions to banks and mortgage holders that never sees the light of day because the mechanisms for delivering bailouts, etc. don't fall within the normal oversight of congress. If people are angry about what they know in terms of bailouts they'd be furious about what they don't know.

Posted by: RegDunlop at April 3, 2009 5:45 PM

Alright, I didn't want to throw my hat into this, because I knew, as political arguments go, that it's all bullshit. Neither side is right or wrong (though anyone who says that the Clinton administration did anything but almost save our country is blatantly incorrect), but everybody spits acid on each other. A few points I wanted to make known, however:

1) Libertarianism is anarchism with a government in place. The free market wouldn't support itself, because businesses don't care about employees or customers as much as saving a penny. Every decent job would be shipped overseas, the government would collect no money, and we'd eventually end up a dead nation.

2) The solution to this problem involves production from our own companies, which would involve goverment action that would stop companies from exporting jobs to other countries. Unfortunately, Republicans are against any regulations, so they'd fight it tooth and nail.

3) Obama's goals at this point are long-term to the extreme, especially his goals with health care (which causes a great deal of individual debt in this country) education (which, if fixed, could boost national production of technology and an overall smarter workforce), and a green economy. It will not be satisfying for anyone hoping for a quick fix, and indeed only time will tell if it will work as hoped. I believe it will, given the proper support.

4) Yes, legalizing and taxing marijuana sales, with proper regulation, would do wonders for our economy.

5) We can't forget that social security helped drag us out of the Great Depression by preventing elderly people who couldn't work from being stuck on the street.

6) Yes, it's almost entirely Bush's fault.

Posted by: ChristianH at April 3, 2009 7:06 PM

Amercia was the richest country in the world and you fucked the dog. Why would we let you into NZ?

Posted by: Will at April 3, 2009 8:00 PM

Are the scrubs on here, jumping up and down like Pres. O.'s European groupies?

Posted by: stalwart at April 3, 2009 8:24 PM

RegDunlop, has it right. Listen up, people.Agree or disagree with the conclusions - precision and clarity are virtues.

While you are at it, be skeptical of predictions that amount to "this will grow, and grow, and nothing will change until the world ends." There is much alarm in the short run, and little apocalypse in the long-run.

The Silent Spring didn't happen. Global Cooling from industrial processes (Yep, you read that right - cooling.) didn't freeze us all. Food Production Collapse didn't lead to planetary riots, genocide and regression to medieval subsistence lifestyles as predicted by The Club of Rome. Hell, The End of Peak Oil is at this point an engineering, economic and policy problem (in that order), and solving it will produce - I predict - a net gain in quality of life worldwide.

Global apocalypse is hard - ask any super villain. Damage is easy. Wiping out everything is hard to do.

For example, the runaway processes of idiot economic policy, systematically pandering and casually corrupt governments (of all stripes), and venal citizenry could call into being ... oh, I don't know, a pretty literate, sincere discussion of economics, government and policy on a snarky, bitchy, boobie-addled movie & culture review web site. I have met the solution and it is us. Grand, scary visions make people aware of processes they live in, blindly most of the time. Then the better of them pull a 'bamaPink and get to work on the situation at hand.

So, I'm delighted to have informed citizens of a republic (of boobies!) talking about deficits, and inflation, and banking systems, productivity, GDP and so on. I am hopeful in the growing financial literacy, and nascent stepping-up of the people who actually do stuff (vs. telling other people what to do.)

I am hopeful also in real terms. Compared to times past - say the late 70s, through mid 80s prolonged economic spasms - we're more effective at doing just about everything. If it becomes less attractive to play liars-poker in the finance markets, or speculate using your primary residence, retirement and Jr's college fund, maybe more of us will apply our brains and effort to doing, you know, actual stuff.

But that's just me. Apocalyzing makes me tired. And Apocalypse without zombies makes me bored.

Bucky Fuller / Ludwig Von Mises '12

Posted by: BierceAmbrose at April 3, 2009 9:01 PM

Obama, will not get the blame. They have already rubber stamped the blame on the Repugs. Don't worry, Obambi will get his eight years and ride off into the sunset, with teenage daughters who exchange their citizenship.

History will see him as a the administration of no choice and will let him off the hook.

Posted by: iceman at April 3, 2009 10:04 PM

Phoo, LordHelmet. I play hockey, I don't watch it. The Leafs are bums, I'll grant you. Even Torontonians know that.

Ontario does not smell like and armpit! How would you know anyway? Aren't British Columbians sense of smell ruined by the 24/7 pot stench in the air?

BTW, have fun next year when the Olympics ruins your life! Hahaha!

Posted by: kerin34 at April 3, 2009 10:46 PM

Scary finance facts for Americans:
1. How are the banks looking these days?
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ea450788-1573-11de-b9a9-0000779fd2ac.html?nclick_check=1

Drag the slider from 1999 to 2009 and watch what happens to the size of US banks. Watch at the same time how an authoritarian communist economy suddenly manages to go from 0 to 5 of the biggest banks on the planet, including the top 3. In fact, don't bother starting at 1999. You'll get the same effect going from 2007 to 2009. No wonder those banks spend so much money to retain talent.

2. If you have the time, check out Matt Taibbi's outstanding takedown of those who fucked the US economy, how they are still fucking it and who is providing the lube and the handcuffs.
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/26793903/the_big_takeover

3. The last word on politics from a man who will never truly die, Bill Hicks:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXpdJLJqG9U

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at April 3, 2009 11:08 PM

Sorry, but Obama doesn't have to spend trillions to "stimulate" the economy. That is bullshit and you know it.

Posted by: Some Guy at April 3, 2009 11:23 PM

And another thing.....

We need to stop the class warfare. It is a tool to allow the government to do disgusting things. The seperation of wall street and main street is repugnant. This is getting spun as a problem created by greedy fat cats sitting in penthouses in manhattan, lighting thier cigars with benjamins. There is certainly some truth to this, but, as with every propaganda campaign, the truth is only partial. The whole truth is that we're all to blame. Everyone who touched these mortgages engaged in some kind of outright fraud or, at least, some selective ethics. The homeowner bought too much house and lied about his income to get the loan. The mortgage broker cared too much about clipping his vig to look closely at the borrower's ability to repay the loan. The mortgage banker cared about selling the loan, not servicing it. The Broker dealer looked at the loan as one of many it could carve up and stuff into a deal, only caring about where they could buy it from the bank and sell it to the market. The rating agencies could not rise above a system where they rated the bonds created by the very banks that paid them, and therefore looked the other way on potential credit problems and rated mortgage backed bonds far too highly than they should have. The pensions and money managers, seing an opportunity to generate excess yield, jumped at the bonds, never wondering or investigating why they were getting so much excess yeld for the bonds. Finally, our politicians encouraged the whole system, believing that it helped deliver cheaper credit to middle and low income families, without ever understanding the long term ramifications of the credit bubble.

We all had something to do with this crisis. We all will pay for this cisis, regardless of the insinuation by the class warfare propogators to the contrary. We don't need to be distraced and divided by the noise of class warfare, but rather pull together to fight this problem. Division, right now, is death.

Posted by: RegDunlop at April 4, 2009 1:09 AM

kerin, I didn't mean Ontario as a whole smelled like an armpit, but just the GTA. Humid, hot, and smelly in summer - what a combination! And yes, there's occasionally a haze here in Vancouver but as you say it's largely pot smoke, and we don't really care about it. And the olympics? Looking forward to it!

As for you economic types? Economics is no more a science than psychology, I'll grant you that, but all your bias and rhetoric is the last thing anybody needs here. Stick to the facts and try not to make things worse than they are. Blame games, especially pre-emptive, are a waste of time and effort.

Posted by: lordhelmet at April 4, 2009 2:16 AM

The Olympics are a fraud, a scam and a sham, a financial rape of the host city/country and a two-week-long commercial foisted upon the viewing public as some meaningful event. The Olympic PTB climb into bed with viciously repressive regimes such as China, boast that this will bring dictators to heel, then look the other way while the human rights abuses escalate and they bank their bribes.

Fuck the Olympics.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at April 4, 2009 3:09 AM

I figure we've got more bullets and bombs than the planet has people, and we're the kind of country who likes to take out our problems on others, so maybe we'll eliminate our debt by eliminating the lenders.

Just as long as I get rich before it all goes to shit, and as long as there's still one English-speaking country in the world whose economy is functioning, I can be happy.

Posted by: Lucas at April 4, 2009 4:08 AM

Blah blah blah, just cut to the new dark age already. I wanna kill people with a sword.

Posted by: steve B. at April 4, 2009 5:44 AM

yea saskatchewan! High Five! Lets turn the praries into gigantic labour camps for the inevitable american financial refugees! Yes!

Posted by: FrankieThrowup at April 4, 2009 9:49 AM

I live in Toronto, so I'm an economic type? How presumptive. I guess I deserve it for the all-encompassing pot-smoking crack. Sorry, I thought it was just light-hearted banter between Canucks, but I guess if you have a job and are from the GTA you aren't allowed to crack jokes.

Duly noted.

Posted by: kerin34 at April 4, 2009 10:53 AM

Telling jokes is one of the three prime directives of Canadians, along with friendliness and TV acting. Keep being Canadian and we'll keep laughing/smiling/watching you on TV.

Posted by: Lucas at April 4, 2009 11:50 AM

NO kerin, I wasn't calling you an economic type. Banter on.

Posted by: lordhelmet at April 4, 2009 12:14 PM

Admin, I live in Alberta. I'll be Pinky, you be the Brain, and we'll take over the world. Maybe we can let those Ontari-ari-arians join the party...

Posted by: Treena at April 4, 2009 12:44 PM

Chill out you knobs, eh? Before I have to steamroll you. STEAMROLLER!!!

Posted by: replica at April 5, 2009 1:54 AM

Oh, hi Lucas!

Posted by: replica at April 5, 2009 1:54 AM

I have a much simpler solution - repeal the 16th Amendment and enact the Fair Tax.

Like most "much simpler" solutions, this is not only god-awful stupid but also actively destructive towards the supposed goal.

Posted by: mightygodking at April 5, 2009 1:50 PM

Wow. This comment thread makes me want to drink a lot.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at April 5, 2009 2:35 PM

It's long passed by but I wanted to give some love to frumpiefox - I'm footnoting your Dwarf reference with Kochanski in a white dress riding a horse that wasn't bred with a sheep and a cow.

Posted by: Goldie at April 5, 2009 2:53 PM

Hi, Replica. Sorry about my descent into whining in the Big Reveal thread. I didn't mean to make y'all feel awkward.

Posted by: Lucas at April 5, 2009 3:11 PM

No mention of 9/11 under President Bush's presidency, and the subsequent confidence inspiring tax cuts that led to higher government tax receipts makes this review a bit hard to swallow. Blaming Bush alone is simple and sloppy - the kind of political hackery I have to come to expect from this site (as much as I enjoy the reviews - it's really a shame).

The Republican party in Congress deserves more than it's share of this waste - more entitlement spending really didn't help. And helped create the deeper hole we are in.

President Bush, to his credit, tried to tame the beast that was Social Security entitlement reform, but was pillored by the opposition party in 2005. His party then lost the House and Senate later that year...leading to the present spend, spend, spend that we see today.

Posted by: Chris at April 5, 2009 8:44 PM

Chris HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA

Oh (gasp) BWA HA HA HA HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

(pant pant)

HAHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

gaspchoke

Honest to God, you should post that at Wonkette.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at April 5, 2009 9:13 PM

We've been fucked since they created The Fed...now y'all notice? The system has always been designed to enrich the richest at the expense of everyone else. It's designed to feed the beast.

My advice to young people...do not put your money in the market or a mutual fund or a idiotic 401K, just save it. Starve the beast. Believe you me, you'll be so much farther ahead than I.

Posted by: Cleveland at April 6, 2009 10:17 PM


















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