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Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince / Daniel Carlson

Film Reviews | July 17, 2009 | Comments (122)


Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince smartly and skillfully continues the direction the series has been heading, namely, what began as a mediocre and at times barely tolerable children’s franchise has become dark and brooding young adult adventure, more willing to test the waters of realistic emotions and plots and reap the rewards of greater risk. The sixth film in the series inspired by J.K. Rowling’s novels — which wrapped after seven volumes, though the final book is being split in half to make two films, presumably to allow for greater adherence to story but also probably more likely just so Warner Bros. can keep milking the cash cow an extra year — is one of the best yet, a mix of mystery and vague horror with a solid story that enhances the coming-of-age aspects confronting the heroes. The series reached a genuine turning point with 2005’s Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire, upping the stakes by visiting genuine sacrifice on the young inhabitants of Hogwarts School of Witchcraft and Wizardry, and every film since then has placed an increasing emphasis not on the gee-whiz angle of the magic so clumsily illustrated in Chris Columbus’ first two films but on the practical application of otherwordly feats to very real situations. Once again under the direction of David Yates — who helmed the previous installment, 2007’s Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix, and will return for the two-part closer Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows in 2010-2011 — the story pushes into new and forbidding territory, growing up as nervously but ultimately as confidently as its characters.

The film opens with Harry killing time at the end of his summer vacation, but instead of retreading the rote sequences in which Harry deals with his cartoonishly daft relatives, Yates and screenwriter Steve Kloves (who’s adapted every one of the books except for Order of the Phoenix) put Harry where any 16-year-old would want to be: Trying to win the attentions of his attractive waitress at a diner. The Potter books have always straddled the line between outright fable and more playful attempts at magical realism, but the naturalness of the opening scene proves that, even on a toned-down level, the kids are going to start acting more like recognizable high-schoolers. Soon enough, though, Harry’s scooped up by Albus Dumbledore (Michael Gambon), the aged Hogwarts headmaster, for some errands involving a retired professor of magic, Horace Slughorn (Jim Broadbent). Harry’s first encounter with Slughorn isn’t without lighter moments, as when the older man attempts to disguise himself as an armchair to avoid detection, but Yates’ m.o. never strays far from an atmosphere of claustrophobic British horror, doing wonders with gray skies, dark corners, and moments of worried silence.

The bulk of the film, as is the pattern, follows Harry through the school year, which is usually where the storylines tend to meander: He goes to classes, bumps his head against some mysteries, and tries to work things out. But Half-Blood Prince comes across stronger than the others films because of the momentum invested in the character relationships that’s finally paying off. Harry finds an old potions textbook inscribed as the property of the Half-Blood Prince that helps him do well in his lessons, but the film’s real focus is on the romantic ventures and failures of Harry, best friends Ron (Rupert Grint) and Hermione (Emma Watson), and Ron’s kid sister, Ginny (Bonnie Wright). The story coasts along on the charms of befuddled teens coming to grips with heavy emotions, and it also knows better than to allow them easy access to real happiness. Some of the most genuine moments come not from the larger plot involving Harry’s pursuit of evil but from the tangled paths Harry and his friends are trying to walk among each other.

But that pursuit of evil is still the main thing driving the film, which does a well enough job at feeling cohesive even as it struggles mightily to cram in as many of the book’s plot points as possible. Harry’s rivalry with fellow student Draco Malfoy (Tom Felton) reaches new levels of anger, betrayal, and just plain fighting. Even the Quidditch matches — a rugby-based game with nonsensical scoring played on flying brooms — are less celebratory than in earlier films and more of the brutal fight that’s more and more come to define life for Harry. Harry’s convinced that Draco is working for Voldemort, the dark lord who killed Harry’s parents when he was an infant, and additionally, Harry’s been tasked by Dumbledore with investigating Slughorn’s possible connection to Voldemort, and it’s those two threads that mostly run through the film. Yates does a yeoman’s job making sense of an adaptation that occasionally strays into dead space as often as it’s guilty of packing scenes a little too quickly, as if hoping to appease fans of the books by hitting a requisite number of moments. Some sequences are played out while other revelations are given short shrift, making for some mysteries that aren’t as clean as they would be on the page. But for the most part, the film moves smoothly.

Radcliffe is, for the most part, growing into the role, and he’s best when required to act like a goofy teen. But he’s also shown he can rise up when summoned to move through more challenging moments, and there are dark passages here when he overcomes his stiffness and is believably stricken by the death and heartbreak around him and becomes determined to fight back. Grint and Watson, though, are even better in their supporting roles, with Grint feeling his oats as a sidekick finally finding luck with women and Watson at last beginning to bring some nuance to her performance. For all its attendant (and welcome) darkness, the screenplay also has its share of jokes and character-based humor, and the chemistry among the three on-screen friends at the heart of the story is casual and real. Most of the adult roles are filled by what feels like every British actor working today, but Gambon, as well as Alan Rickman as the mercurial Severus Snape, are the anchors. They go a long way toward grounding the tale, and the complexity with which they view the world around them is a nice signpost for where Harry will have to go.

That’s ultimately what Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince is for the series: A sign of things to come. The evolution begun with the fourth installment, when Harry first confronted Voldemort and the story promised interesting things to come, is now paying off with the franchise’s darkest and most involving entry yet, right up there with Goblet of Fire in terms of skillful execution and successful structure. This chapter ends with a moment of steeled resolve as Harry prepares himself to make the journey and fight his enemy once and for all, a showdown that’s been long in coming. The film is eerie, funny, interesting, and entertaining for most of its surprisingly nimble 153 minutes, enjoyable as much for what’s on screen as what’s on the horizon.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.


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Comments

I was mostly pleased. It was better than 5, and the humour was refreshing. I didn't like some of the changes they made in one particular scene, but otherwise it was a good representation of the book.

Posted by: Lauren at July 15, 2009 6:02 PM

I saw the film last night at midnight, and huge HP fan that I am hated it. Way too much romance and not enough Horcruxes. Also am disappointed by the lack of a battle in the final scene, such as there was in the book.
But the point i disagree with you most on Dan is that Daniel Radcliffe's acting skills aren't even there a little bit. His face is completely blank. No expression. He doesn't even seem like a real person to me, let alone Harry Potter feeling complex emotions of loss, heartbreak and discovery. I concede that Rupert Grint has always been doing a good of of keeping the humor in the story, and in this film Emma Watson finally learned to keep the ridiculous eyebrow movements under wraps. However, overall I was not nearly as impressed by this film as I was by the last two.

Posted by: the chaplain at July 15, 2009 6:03 PM

I'm probably going to see this in the middle of next week-- the way I look at it, Harry Potter is like my first love; the guy who broke up with me when we went off to college despite all of my tears. There are still emotions there, even though I've moved on with my life, and now he's calling me up and saying 'So, I'm in town for a few weeks, we should get together,' and I know that if I go out to dinner with him, we'll hook up and then leave and I'll be a miserable wreck. So instead we'll meet for lunch next week before I have to go somewhere with my mother, so I won't have sex with him and cry into my tea the morning after.

It's better for everyone this way.

Posted by: That Girl at July 15, 2009 6:07 PM

The lady just finished reading the book before we went to the midnight showing (which is why my thinking and recollections might be a bit muddled), and while she wasn't as pleased as I was with how the film worked out even she admitted it was well executed, and largely faithful to the requirements of the story. I can understand the few major deviations from the book as a means of condensing developing events and moods, and while much was left out, it wasn't so important as to necessitate adding to the 153 minutes. I'm glad the last book will be split into 2 movies, but don't think this one needed that treatment. Of course, after I get caught up on sleep and re-read the book, this opinion might change, but I'm overall quite happy with Yates' efforts, and am glad he's lined up to do the grand finale.

Posted by: lordhelmet at July 15, 2009 6:08 PM

But on a different note, the new guy playing Cormac McLaggen? I'd let him (some dirty Harry Potter joke) anytime.

And before you tell me I have inappropriate crushes I'm 17 Dustin.

Posted by: the chaplain at July 15, 2009 6:09 PM

I've had doubts about this movie, especially after I learned of the PG rating and this review did nothing to excite me.

Posted by: Agent Scully at July 15, 2009 6:09 PM

I'm so excited to see this film that I read the whole of the book (again) yesterday from cover to cover. I got back from work and thought: why not tackle a 600 page book in less than 5 hours?
My eyes, they were a-bleeding.

Totally worth it though - I'd forgotten a lot of it. If the film doesn't live up to my own personal hype there will be slayings. Great that it got a positive review here though - I don't enjoy killing. Shut up.

Posted by: Squeeziee at July 15, 2009 6:12 PM

I can't wait!!! I was a little concerned about the PG rating, but thanks for the review.

Posted by: MissNev at July 15, 2009 6:14 PM

the chaplain do you know that the actor playing Cormac just graduated with a neuroscience degree? Sexy and smart, yum!

(Hmm, I wonder if I'm allowed to say that since I'm 26.)

Posted by: Agent Scully at July 15, 2009 6:15 PM

c'mon you bunch of sadsacks. just be happy.

besides, they start rebooting them in 2013.
if we aren't dead.

goddamn mayans. i hate 'em!

Posted by: gp at July 15, 2009 6:16 PM

Very mixed feelings on this one.

Pros:

1. the attention to visual detail was better than any of them so far, and they haven't exactly been bad to begin with

2. there were more moments of stillness and quiet than I ever remember in an HP film and it was a nice balance to the inevitable loud mayhem

3. the actor who plays Draco Malfoy (I can't even think of his name right now) did a better job mentally falling apart at the seams than I expected. He kinda stole it. He was always a good actor, even as a kid, but he's really turned into a pretty good young adult actor, too.

4. I don't know what the actual term for this is in the film-making world, but whoever was in charge of the balance between colors and light and dark in this one did a GREAT job. Loved it.

Cons:

1. agreed with the above--too much romance, too little focus on Horcruxes and the stuff the plot was mainly concerned with! which leads me to:

2. I realize they can't ever include all of the book in a film and I also realize this one was split and half but even at that, it felt like the Cliff Notes version. In this particular book, very bad shit is going on in the wizarding world outside of Hogwarts (and inside of Hogwarts, too, of course) but it gets a passing mention or two. Not even much of a glimpse. What the heck? A lot of stuff felt more skimmed over than ever.

I swear I felt a bit ripped off over that.

3. I know this is going to be blasphemous, but Daniel Radcliffe sort of seemed to be sleepwalking through the role this time. Ok maybe not sleepwalking, but dozing a bit. Phoning it in at times. Maybe it was just me. He was kind of flat. Did anyone else feel that way?

All in all, it wasn't my favorite HP film. It's good that it is darker and more adult because that's how the books go, but this film didn't even touch on the kind of darkness you find in the first half of the sixth book!

Oh and a certain major character's death should have really gotten more than 20 seconds for the aftershock/reaction. Sheesh.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 15, 2009 6:26 PM

I think fogetting most of the plot points from the books helps makes the movies better. I agree this one is just as entertaining as the 4th movie, and I think a lot of that is has to with allowing really normal teenage moments in.

Also, how great was it that love spell cholcolates and lucky potion made Ron and Harry act high? Daniel Radcliffe saying "pincers" with hand motions just elevated that movie to another level of hilarious. Although it was also 2 am.

Posted by: kelsy at July 15, 2009 6:27 PM

I saw the first movie literally minutes after I'd finally finished the book. It's totally the wrong way to do it. It was a mostly dull exercise of mentally checking things off. "Yeah, that looks right.....that looks right.....okay, there's that....". I didn't see "Chamber of Secrets" until a friend who'd never read any of them and took his little nephews said he'd liked it. "Goblet" felt a little flat to me, but I did enjoy "Phoenix".

As for the color, I heard that they'd had to do a re-grading because it had first been a little too surreal, but I quite like what I've seen. It was something I like about "Azkaban", how dark and misty it often felt. The spooky iris fades are really nice too.

Posted by: Jay at July 15, 2009 6:38 PM

I thought this movie kind of sucked, although it may have just been the midnight showing that made it seem like it was never going to end (one of the people I went with fell asleep for a good fifteen minutes).
I completely agree with Snuggiepants, it felt like a cliff notes version of the book, with the emphasis on the romance instead of the horcruxes and Voldemort's history.

Posted by: battgirl at July 15, 2009 6:44 PM

The trailer alone gave me goosebumps. And now the review has buoyed my enthusiasm. I can't wait to go see it this weekend!

Posted by: bonnie at July 15, 2009 6:50 PM

Saw it about an hour ago.
My only real complaint was the lack of real fighting at the end...though Snape and company just striding though Hogwarts was powerful.

I have to admit that I always enjoy these movies more during the portions when the adults are on screen and not so much when it is just the kids (well teens now) and for once there was enough Rickman for me.
(the scene in Snape's house was delish, I would not want Bellatrix touching my shit either.)

BUT Tom Felton was the real surprise of the movie. He is growing up into a very fine actor.

I enjoyed it better then the last movie and will probably grab another viewing at some point in the next few weeks to catch the little things I missed.

Posted by: Jules at July 15, 2009 7:00 PM

I had to de-lurk for this . . .

Call me a Potter purist and I am loathe to admit it, but I kinda hated this movie. I think that what they did to the key scene at the end of the movie was a total hatchet job and completely unforgivable. I'm sorry but that's one one of the most important scenes in the entire series and they completely glossed over it.

Furthermore, there was a VERY significant change in Harry's behavior in that scene that is completely out of character for him and makes absolutely no sense at all.

They also did not focus nearly enough on Snape in this movie. This was the book that started to really unravel Snape -- one of the best and most pivotal characters in the whole story and they completely left all of that out.

Oh, and ditto to the lack of attention to horcruxes and Tom Riddle's past.

This story was not so much about the romances which the movie focused on, but was more about Harry's angst and his anger over all the people that he's lost and the life that he has to lead. Harry is not whimsical and free -- he's fucking pissed off and out for blood. We only get a glimpse of that in a couple of scenes.

Posted by: sparkle77 at July 15, 2009 7:07 PM

Can't wait to see this. I am such a sucker for Harry Potter. The stories enjoyably rot my brain while still managing to entertain me. The movies ALL have Alan Rickman (and some Gary Oldman and Helena Bonham Carter). What's not to love? Nothing. And if you disagree with me I will Imperio your ass and make you agree with me.

Posted by: stardust savant at July 15, 2009 7:15 PM

Brain-rotting?!

Posted by: Jay at July 15, 2009 7:25 PM

I can't wait to see this, but I know I'm going to be disappointed. From the comments, it's not just plot points that have been lost (which always happens) but character development as well.
I first that lack in PoA, when they could have taken 10 seconds to mention that Harry's patronus matches the animagus form of his father. It was a cool detail that added a lot to the Dementor scene at the lake. But OH NO, they kept the stag form with no explanation. I had to explain it to my g/f once we left the movie.
Same with GoF, and the fact that Barty Crouch had been hiding his son for so long.

So I'll probably like the movie and be really happy to get actual visuals for some stuff, but I'll probably also be bitter about a lot of other things.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at July 15, 2009 7:28 PM

Where was the funeral? It had better be at the beginning of the next one. I lack cinematic closure.

Posted by: mae at July 15, 2009 7:29 PM

Ohhh, the funeral wasn't in there? Maybe that's a good thing, I might sob too loudly and disturb people the next state over.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at July 15, 2009 7:40 PM

Having not read the book for a couple of years I thoroughly enjoyed the film. I had even forgotten the term horcruxes until they mentioned it. The shadowing of the light and dark was fantastic and beautiful.

The more I watched though the more I remembered of the books, and I find I don't mind how much was left out. All of the really key points are there.

And the new Cormac is delicious. He made the eye candy for the entire movie (and Dustin I'm 23 and he's 22, I looked it up, I'm totally allowed my lustful thoughts).

Posted by: AlannaJudith at July 15, 2009 7:41 PM

Seems like, as with the other movies, it's better to not read the book again right before watching it. The movies have changed the books before, so I don't know why people seem to surprised or offended when it happens in the SIXTH MOVIE. It's inevitable. If you've read the books it's not really a problem, but I remember having to explain most of Order of the Phoenix to my fiance after the movie as a lot of it made no sense if you haven't read the books. I guess they figure most people have and just stick to the basics in the films.

I'm still super excited about this. One can never have enough Rickman and Fiennes.

Posted by: figgy at July 15, 2009 8:07 PM

Wow...can't believe all the negative comments. Saw this last night as a chaperone of a bunch of teenaged girls after watching ALL the other movies back to back (brain is now officially mush).

First, having sat through all the other movies in order, I cannot even begin to express the quality improvements that have come throughout the series, and this movie was the capper. All of a sudden you actually got a sense of reality of character that's been sorely lacking. I never felt there was a missed important piece of info, or a rushed scene. They transitioned from maudlin to mature and steered away from cliches that so often plagued some of the earlier movies (as well as poor pacing, bad cgi and bad acting).

The books made me cry. Up till now the movies have not (except for Cedric Diggory's father in Goblet of Fire). While I have LIKED all the movies, I have never wanted immediately rewatch any of them...but this one? Going to watch it again and again.

By the way, if you ever choose to do a marathon of the movies, I encourage you to watch for 1. The way every adult in the HP world greets Harry when they first meet him. It's almost always "HAAAAARRY Potter!" 2. The number of times Harry or a friend mentions "But Harry, your parents are dead!". 3. Homosexual undertones in Goblet of Fire. Makes for a great drinking game.

Posted by: meh at July 15, 2009 8:21 PM

Yes, this is the first of the movies to make me cry. I'll admit I've only read this book once and that was the night it came out, but maybe that's a good thing. I thought this movie was the best of all of them so far.

Posted by: Amy at July 15, 2009 8:43 PM

Can't wait to see it.

And Homosexual undertones in Goblet of Fire?

What did I miss?

Posted by: general rhubarb at July 15, 2009 8:43 PM

The actor playing Cormac McLaggen is 8 days older than me, so I'm more than allowed to be lustful. Huzzah!

On the one hand, I reckon I enjoyed this film more than any of the other HP movies. It was downright hilarious at points - Lavender Brown, while OTT as hell, kept making me snicker, and the core three got some great lines. Plus, Alan Rickman rocks my world (the expression on his face during the scenes in the hospital wing was incredible; I've never seen an actor steal a scene while being one of four background, line-less characters in it), Michael Gambon finally stopped annoying me (by being less gruff and actually letting Dumbledore have some of his spark again) and the horror elements came through surprisingly nicely while still allowing kids into the film. Plus, it was purty as all get out.

Four (partially SPOILERY) problems that I had with it. (1) The entirity of book 7 involves Harry searching for Horcruxes based on Dumbledore's advice in this book; specifically, that they'd be objects of great value or portent (such as founder items) hidden in places that meant something to Voldemort. In the film, he not only leaves out all of that crucial, plot-driving information, he actually says the opposite; that Horcruxes can be 'commonplace items'. (2) The Elder Wand is now in the wrong place, which seems minor, but is fairly crucial given that the wand being tombed up with Dumbledore is, oh, I dunno, crucial to Harry being able to lay claim to it in DH and defeat Voldemort. (3) The battle in Hogwarts getting cut; if they were going to include one wizard battle, I'd rather it were that than the made-up Burrow-burning. (4) Snape really could have featured more, given that he's (along with Sirius) the only non-Harry character to actually get a book title dedicated to him. His declaration at the end ("I am the half-blood Prince") was both nonsensical, since he didn't explain the Prince connection, and pointless, since he'd played almost no role in the film until then so the irony of Harry having learned from his book was almost meaningless.

On the other hand, I will say this for the added scenes - the gratuituous burning of the Burrow seemed to be there to establish a connection and hatred between Bellatrix and Molly, giving me hope that they'll leave intact my single favourite moment for all 7 books - "NOT MY DAUGHTER, YOU BITCH!"

Posted by: Shay at July 15, 2009 8:44 PM

How the hell they're gonna explain the horcruxes in the next movie is beyond me.

Other than that I thought it was pretty good - it was more story driven, rather than action. Then again *SPOILER* I was epicly pissed they took out the battle at the end. WTF?! It was supposed to be a taste of things (things like intensity and fear) to come!

Posted by: joyeetargh at July 15, 2009 8:52 PM

I firmly believe that people who have read the book will enjoy it much more than those who haven't. I really enjoyed it and announced that it was the best yet. Those I went with thought the ending was shit and couldn't understand why hmm-hmm didn't fight back. After a long explanation and description of how the scene was played out in the book, it was agreed that it would have been better if it was also filmed that way as the gravity of the situation wasn't played out that well.

What bugged me though was the "shhh" by Snape. For those unfamilier with the series, it didn't justify the worldwide anticipation of the 'he's bad. Or is he...?' debate.

Posted by: Seraf at July 15, 2009 8:56 PM

OMG Shay totally agree with you!!! How is Harry going to defeat Voldy without the freaking wand???????????????????? OMG OMG OMG!!!

And why did Ginny get down on her knees and tie Harry's shoelace? WHAT THE FUCK?

Posted by: joyeetargh at July 15, 2009 8:56 PM

Ok, so if we're doing spoilers, then here is my biggest beef spelled out . . . SPOILER ALERT!!!

In the movie, Dumbledore did not use the freezing charm to immobilize Harry, but there was no other reason for Harry to stay hidden and quiet while Dumbledore's life was being threatened. In the book Harry was fighting against the curse and wanting desperately to run to Dumbledore's aid. It is totally out of character for Harry to just stand there and do nothing while Dumbledore is killed. I'm sorry, that is a HUGE liberty with the story and the character and I'm at all sure why they changed that. Harry would have died defending Dumbledore (no matter what Dumbledore had told him about doing what he was told).

Posted by: sparkle77 at July 15, 2009 9:05 PM

"The Elder Wand is now in the wrong place, which seems minor, but is fairly crucial given that the wand being tombed up with Dumbledore is, oh, I dunno, crucial to Harry being able to lay claim to it in DH and defeat Voldemort"
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Exactly.

Posted by: sparkle77 at July 15, 2009 9:09 PM

I so agree with all the criticisms. Yes, it's going to be a bit different from the book. I get that and understand it. And in the other films, they did a good job balancing the need to make the film shorter than oh, 18 hours and still staying true to the story.

In this one? I don't think they stayed true to the story. Horcruxes are the best example. I read this book ages ago, and normally the film helps bring it all back for me. I was freaking confused for most of this film and I felt sort of adrift. Where the hell was all the searching for horcruxes, which made up the bulk of the sixth book? What the heck? I didn't remember the romance stuff being 70% of the sixth book....

Ug. I walked out with a really uneasy feeling and the more I think about it, the less I liked it. Like I said above, a few things were good. But the basic storyline got butchered in this one. I just heard from my HP Freak friend Rachel who was having a stroke over how wrong the movie was.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 15, 2009 9:28 PM

Continuing the spoiler-y discussion.

In the movie, Dumbledore did not use the freezing charm to immobilize Harry, but there was no other reason for Harry to stay hidden and quiet while Dumbledore's life was being threatened. In the book Harry was fighting against the curse and wanting desperately to run to Dumbledore's aid. It is totally out of character for Harry to just stand there and do nothing while Dumbledore is killed.

On the one hand, this fixed a gripe I had with the book; I found it so hard to buy that Dumbledore, even weakened by the locket-guarding potion, wasn't fast or strong enough to overcome Draco's ambush. Opting to freeze Harry first was a stupid character move, but made worse by him not being able to block the verbalised spell of a 16-year old when in the next book Snape and McGonagall are conjuring shields faster than Harry can think. Harry seemed to be about to intervene when Snape stopped him and stepped up instead; it makes Snape's betrayal that bit more pronounced and sets up Harry for a greater fall in DH when he realises Dumbledore isn't perfect.

For those unfamilier with the series, it didn't justify the worldwide anticipation of the 'he's bad. Or is he...?' debate.

Word. Plus, including the flashback scene from "The Prince's Tale" in this film, and shortening the Snape/Dumbledore final scene, meant that it's painfully obvious from the movie that Snape's acting on Dumbledore's wishes.

Two other things I forgot last time:

(1) I really liked the scene where everyone bands together to dispell the Dark Mark, but someone in the cinema I saw it in SNORTED into their tissue right at the quiet moment at the end, and the entire place erupted into laughter. Kinda ruined the pathos, but funniest moment of the night by far.

(2) I loved Gambon's little flicker to Harry's scar when he commented that the magic that makes a Horcrux 'leaves a mark'. It'd be odd if they intended him to only just be realising that (given that Snape needs to know it for Harry to find out in DH) but if it was just meant as a nice detail, then woot.

Posted by: Shay at July 15, 2009 9:31 PM

I think I've only seen Azkaban and Goblet of Fire, but I enjoyed both of them.

The promos I've seen for this looked interesting, and I really do like the color palate they use, so I might actually sit in the theater for this one.

Posted by: jak asstro at July 15, 2009 9:34 PM

Oh another coupla things:

Quidditch has never before looked so phallic to me. Even my daughter started giggling her ass off and she's not really prone to seeing stuff like that. Others around us were giggling, too.

Ginny tying Harry's shoe? Daughter whispers to me (we're on the back row of a nearly empty theater--guess everyone saw it last night): "um, AWKward."

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 15, 2009 9:39 PM

*May be spoilers*
I didn't think that searching for the Horcruxes was the main plot point in book 6. Harry had to get Slughorn's memory first to do so.
For arguments sake, anyway, let's look at what was covered in the movie:
- Tom Riddle's diary? Check
- Marvolo's ring? Check
- Locket? Check
It is only the lack of memories in the Pensieve that could be the let down as it's these memories that indicate what the remaining Horcruxes could be.

Posted by: Seraf at July 15, 2009 9:59 PM

quoting Shay

"On the one hand, this fixed a gripe I had with the book; I found it so hard to buy that Dumbledore, even weakened by the locket-guarding potion, wasn't fast or strong enough to overcome Draco's ambush. Opting to freeze Harry first was a stupid character move"
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Really? You think? I don't really agree with this for two reasons. First of all, I disagree that its out of character because Dumbledore has always insisted that Harry's life is more important than his own. I think it is totally consistent with Dumbledore's character that he would have acted to protect Harry before himself. Second of all, we know that Dumbledore's primary motivation was not stopping Draco. He knew all along what Draco was up to so I'm not that sure he ever intended to really defend himself against Draco since he knew that Draco was not a killer and would not be able to go through with it (hence the recruitment of Snape as backup assassin).

Posted by: sparkle77 at July 15, 2009 10:02 PM

First, a disclaimer - I've never read the books. I tried the first one, found the writing too simplistic, and that ended that. Meanwhile, I've enjoyed the movies a great deal, with Prisoner of Azkaban being my favorite.

I just returned from the theater, and I barely stayed interested in the film. While I enjoy moody and quiet, this entry felt like a lot of buildup to mostly nothing. SPOILER: Heck, even Dumbledore's death felt anticlimactic - and he's been one of my favorite characters. Usually I can find my way through the story easily, but there were a few things that made no sense. Thank you for those who commented above to explain better about Harry just standing there and letting the big D get whacked. That whole scene was bizarre to me.

As usual, Alan Rickman made the most of his time onscreen. I thought Radcliffe was definitely low-key, especially compared to Grint and Watson. And Robbie Coltrane barely got a moment to shine, but shine he did.

Overall, I'd say I'm a tad disappointed.

Oh and figgy - no Ralph!

Posted by: Cindy at July 15, 2009 10:05 PM

*GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSSSSSSSSSP*

Posted by: figgy at July 15, 2009 10:08 PM

sparkle77
you addressed almost every one of my problems with this movie. thank you! i thought i was being petty.
and shay!
the stupid burrow burning thing killed me because it is not possible while harry is staying there. the protection from dumbledore guaranteed that.
i hated this movie almost as much as i hated prisoner of azkaban.

Posted by: courtney at July 15, 2009 10:08 PM

The best thing about seeing the midnight screening with a bunch of dressed-up teens was in the previews - Twilight New Moon came on to a loud chorus of boos. Someone even yelled out "Cedric's dead!"

I'm holding out hope that the shortcomings in the story arc gets covered better in the next book (especially the horcruxes). I'm not worried, and I certainly didn't hate HP:HBP - taking the movies as separate entities from the books makes for a much more acceptable continuity, but not everyone can sever the emotional connection that way.

Posted by: lordhelmet at July 15, 2009 10:25 PM

the pg rating does nothing to hold this film back from being the darkest entry in the series by a wide margin (yet still very funny)

and the three principles really have grown into their roles nicely.

only took like a decade.

Posted by: trippdup at July 15, 2009 10:40 PM

Sorry girl!

Posted by: Cindy at July 15, 2009 11:05 PM

Ginny tying Harry's shoe? Daughter whispers to me (we're on the back row of a nearly empty theater--guess everyone saw it last night): "um, AWKward."

Ha! Snuggie, your daughter is funny. When we were watching that, my fiance goes, "While you're down there...."

More than anything, this movie just made me really excited for the next one. I was a little disappointed that *spoilers*
there's no big fight at the end, when Snape and the Death Eaters leave the castle, but I know that the last movie is gonna have one hell of a battle at Hogwarts. Also, we didn't see Fenrir Greyback bite Bill Weasley - are they going to drop that whole storyline? Bill hasn't been in any of the movies yet, has he? Will they drop the wedding as well? I'd hate for that to happen. I've always wanted to see Kingsley Shacklebolt's patronus drop onto the dance floor and yell that the Ministry was coming. Boy, I'm a geek, aren't I?


I love how everyone is justifying their lust for the actor playing Cormac by stating their ages. You've given everyone a complex, Rowles!

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at July 15, 2009 11:12 PM

Will they drop the wedding as well?

I don't know, but Fleur IS in the Hallows movie.

And yes, Kingsley's patronus was one of the best moments.

Posted by: Jay at July 15, 2009 11:25 PM

I have to agree with all above who hated that the battle got cut. For me, at least, it really changes the character development of Luna, Neville and Ginny - they fight with the Order, and are just as good as Harry, and given how important they are to the next one, it seems odd to skip that much of their development.

Speaking of Ginny, what I always liked about her was that she was just as good as everyone else - she joins the DA in the fifth, fights at the Ministry, fights at Hogwarts both times... that she didn't get to, and didn't seem to be much help at the Burrow scene, really didn't help her character at all.

I'm a little sad they cut Bill, as the "all these scars show is that my husband is brave" was my favorite line of the sixth book. It makes setting up the seventh harder as well, unless a wedding between two characters we haven't really seen magically appears.

I love Alan Rickman, and he was fantastic. Tom Felton got rather good as well, and managed to really hit the tragedy that is Malfoy's character this book. Helena Bonham Carter I found deeply entertaining as well, but then, Bellatrix is badass if irredeemably evil.

Last thing: did anyone else think the Inferi looked an awful lot like Gollum?

Posted by: Moi at July 15, 2009 11:47 PM

"First, a disclaimer - I've never read the books. I tried the first one, found the writing too simplistic, and that ended that. Meanwhile, I've enjoyed the movies a great deal, with Prisoner of Azkaban being my favorite."

I would say that this introduction means that you shouldn't be allowed to comment on the movie at all. PoA, really? Its sooo awful!

Anyway, I have the same gripes everyone else does about the films, especially about the murder at the end and Harry's sudden change of personality. Annoying. And don't even get me started on the Harry and Ginny scenes. Weirdly, I still kind of liked the movie, but only if I try really hard not to think about the entire plot points they skipped. My poor boyfriend has never read the books and he had no idea what was going on. I hold to my original opinion which was that they should have waited to start the movies until the last book was released, because they wouldn't have skipped things in the first 5 movies that are important for the end.

Oh, and almost nothing about the invisibility cloak in the entire movie... so, basically who cares about any of the hallows? :-(

Still, it was better than the last one. and I can't resist seeing them each once.

Posted by: Shelli at July 16, 2009 12:47 AM

I just got back from this and don't really agree with most of the negative comments. I was really happy with 95% of this movie and I definitely want to see it again soon.

I've probably read the series 5-6 times (though I haven't read HBP in a few years) so I guess I would be considered a die-hard fan, but I'm really adamant about separating the books from the movies. They are two different things for me and I think it takes away all the enjoyment of the movies if you nitpick about every little thing they did or didn't include from the books. (And I definitely could, I agree with some criticisms from other commenters, but...why bother? The movie is how it is and you can't change it.)

That said, I WAS disappointed that there wasn't a battle at the end. But I was happy with the rest and I actually liked all the romance stuff as I thought it was fun to watch. (I thought they nailed the Ron on a love potion stuff as well as Harry on Felix, those were my favorite scenes.)

The next two movies will be pretty relentlessly dark and I just rewatched OotP last night and it was really dark as well, so I don't mind a bit of break from that in between, especially getting to see the kids act like real kids for once.

Posted by: Emily at July 16, 2009 12:49 AM

THE ELDER WAND. That's what it's called, I was trying to explain to my friend (who hadn't read the books) how Harry ends up defeating Voldemort, and basically how Rowling took a shit on some book pages to explain how the wand "switches hands" or something and now Harry can kill him! Like the wand now knew "Ooo, now I can really fuck some shit up." Seriously, you're explaining the means for the bad guy's death on a technicality? I am a fan of the books, I just thought it was a wordy, tedious, stupid explanation for why Harry could defeat him.

So yea. They're going to have to come up with some serious shit to explain that in the movies. I wouldn't be surprised if they just said "fuck it" and have Harry whip out a Desert Eagle and cap Voldy's ass on the Hogwarts front lawn.

"Avada Kedavra this, bitch."

*BAM BAM*

"That caliber be fitty. Five oh."

Posted by: Mick J at July 16, 2009 1:02 AM

Justifying "inappropriate" crushes to Dustin, bah, like he's any better, at least
your crushes match your official sexual orientation.
So no Bill getting bitten, I would guess no Lupin and Tonks romance either?
Fuck that...

Posted by: Irina at July 16, 2009 1:51 AM

I agree with Emily, I've read the series many times over (however, I have only read the 7th once and sobbed like a baby when I finished. I'll be re-reading it very soon!) and I too separate the books from the films. I don't understand everyone whining like a baby! "Oh, they cut this" and "oh, I hate it." Big effin' deal! This movie was the best to date, IMO. Characters finally came to life, the quiet moments were incredibly intense and it was funny as hell. I'll definitely be seeing it again soon. Again, was expecting a battle at the end, but the scene where Snape and co. were walking through the halls with his robes billowing behind him...awesome. Tom Felton was great as Draco. I wonder where they will split the 7th and 8th movies? For some reason I can't think of a good place...

Anywho, I've indulged my HP nerdery for a few more months. Loved this installment!

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Posted by: satokofan at July 16, 2009 2:16 AM

I am going to see this tomorrow and was not trying to get my hopes up too much. I heard the explanation for the lack of battle at the end of this movie, is because of the battle at the end of the series, worried about redundancy though the events are completely different.

As for Tim Felton, Draco, some movie critic called him the hidden gem of the series way back and by what I read that is coming to fruition. BTW, did they burn down the Burrow? IF so, how can they have a wedding there?

The next major hurdle in this series is where will they break the last two movies apart? My guess is right after the Christmas at Bagshot's home.

Posted by: richmac at July 16, 2009 2:37 AM

Lupin and Tonks are together, but it's sort of just an aside. They act as a couple in how they defend each other, and at one point Tonks calls Lupin "sweetheart" (IIRC) correctly. Honestly, this makes me happy because Lupin's agonizing over their relationship was lame anyway.

I do wish they'd have developed Snape's story more. It's going to really make things tricky for them for the next couple movies. I'm also wondering how they're going to handle how Harry figures out the Horcruxes. My assumption is Hermione will come up with the answer.

Posted by: teacupnosaucer at July 16, 2009 2:43 AM

So I've read the books one time each, the last 3 or 4 as soon as they came out, and have seen each of the movies multiple times. Because the some the books' plot points have been neglected or completely left out of the movies, I've had a hard time remembering a lot of details from the later books.

That being said, I saw this today and really enjoyed it. Because I couldn't remember a whole lot of the juicy details of the book, I depended on this movie a lot more for the story than I had for the earlier movies. I guess my point is that the movie series has progressed it's own story really beautifully, even though it doesn't match the books as well as people might hope for.

I've been thinking about where (and how) they'll split the 7th and 8th movies. I think it's possible that they'll change a bit of the storyline in the next movie to cover some of the missing links from the books (Deathly Hallows, the Elder Sword, the battle, etc) and end the movie series much like the book series ended. If I'm right (and I hope I am, because most of what they left out of the movie is valuable), than the next 2 movies will be able to sufficiently satisfy both the devout readers and the movie-goers.

Am I hoping for too much? Probably. I'm still pleased, and Tom Felton is fucking rad.

Posted by: Queen Lena at July 16, 2009 2:46 AM

The split of DH should be after Ron comes back, think destroying one Horcrux would give closure for the first movie and leave us with a nice feeling of anticipation for the second part. I know it's kinda late in the book but they will certainly skip some parts, like most of the camping in the woods and probably the wedding since Bill was never introduced.

Posted by: Irina at July 16, 2009 3:51 AM

I can't believe I get to say this for the second time in my life but ...

I agree with Snuggiepants the Deathbringer.

This movie was the first one I have seen AFTER reading the books, and, while I genuinely liked this one, I felt like the potency of the book's story was shoved aside for more action and teen angst.

Thank God I don't have to watch any more Quiddich.

Posted by: Leftylad at July 16, 2009 4:11 AM

Elder wand, Queen Lena.

And it damn well better end up in DD's tomb in DH pt. 1, funeral scene or no funeral scene. If Voldemort just saunters in and yoinks it from the headmaster's office, I'm gonna be peeved.

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Posted by: Obama at July 16, 2009 4:28 AM

I agree completely with Snuggiepants, Sparkle77, and Shay. And because it felt like a cliff notes version I couldn't really care about it all. For example I missed the growing connection between Harry and Dumbledore (even though the first shot of the movie promised something else). When Dumbledore died in the book I was sobbing, but watching the film I just thought: Ow well...


And Seraf, that "Shhh" bugged me too. In the book Harry is observing from under the invisibility cloack, completely powerless. Snape killing Dumbledore seemed like more of a shock to Harry in the book than in the film. But by letting Snape see Harry, and even telling him to be quiet, I just felt cheated.

And yes! Moi, they did look like Gollum. This annoyed me because it's such an intense scene, and then suddenly it makes you think about an entirely different movie. They should have found a better solution.

Posted by: Annabanana at July 16, 2009 5:00 AM

This movie was a combination of "awesome" and "meh" for me. For some reason, it always feels as if the movies are just missing the "epic" mark with me. Not epic in the LOTR sense, but just .. epic. Where you're left wth chills. The trailers for this movie left me in chills, and the only time I was ever left in chills during a particular movie was PoA when Harry screams, "EXPECTO PATRONUM!" on the lake.

Dumbledore's death was frightfully glossed. I actually snickered when everyone lifted their wands to dispel the Dark Mark (one of the missed-epic scenes, imo). Sometimes, it's painfully obvious that no one's trying to sell that their prop can really do magic, and is really just a fancy flashlight. :/ I also don't understand why the movie couldn't have ended with its true catharsis: Dumbledore's funeral, ffs.

Posted by: duckandcover at July 16, 2009 5:56 AM

For all those saying you should be able to enjoy the books separately from the movies, I agree in principle. I have never before been particularly bothered by the changes in the movies, but this book felt hijacked. In this movie it feels like what they left out was the real guts of the story and some of the key motivations of the characters. Thats different from just skipping over or changing a few things to make it work better on the big screen. Plus, even though I did enjoy the interactions of the kids and the movie was entertaining at times, I thought it really dragged. The scenes with Slughorn were the highlights for me, as were those with Ron. Otherwise it was hard to stay interested. Mr. Sparkle, who is not a Potter fan, kept nodding off and for once I can't really say I blame him. Afterwards I had a really hard time defending this one and I am usually ride or die for the Potter movies.

Posted by: sparkle77 at July 16, 2009 7:00 AM

I have this theory that, after the movies started getting made, our friend Jake Rowling realized that if it wasn't in the title, it won't be in the movie.

Think of it: what's the most easily chopped plot line in the sixth book? The Half-Blood Prince! But they couldn't because it's in the title!

The most easily chopped plot line in the seventh? The motherfu'in Deathly Hallows. But they couldn't because it's in the blooming title.

Why else would they have cheerfully ignored the reveal of the holders of the nicknames Moony, Wormtail, Padfoot and Prongs in the third, leaving the illiterate audience members to use - gasp - critical thinking to figure it out?

Posted by: Ling at July 16, 2009 9:54 AM

I haven't seen this yet and I have no idea when I will, but I have to respond to the criticism of Prisoner of Azkaban. It remains my favorite of all the films so far, mainly because it felt like Cuaron had successfully translated Book 5 to the screen. No major plots points were missing, nothing was added that ruined the flow, and the performances were on point. I'm still sore that he wasn't chosen to direct more of the series.

Posted by: Kolby at July 16, 2009 9:56 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing this movie, but as always, I don't expect it to be anything like the book. Too many characters that make the book entertaining are always left out of the movie, to make room for some sort of main plot or two, and I understand that.

I'm rereading HBP right before seeing the movie, and I know that's a mistake, but I can't help myself. I think it's less agravating when you don't remember that they left out this or that person or plot. However, I do like seeing the story come to life.

Years ago, I thought they should have done the Harry Potter saga as a TV series, one chapter per episode. And, they should have done it as a cartoon. Yes, animation would have allowed them to show any special effect they wanted, and would have also solved the problem of the kids outgrowing the part, or of actors dying in real life. It would have allowed more Fred and George and more Snape. Reboot, anyone?

Posted by: BWeaves at July 16, 2009 10:13 AM

POA is Book 3, and it's my favorite because it's the only one that does NOT deal with Voldemort. The time travel aspect of the story has no holes and the time loop closes perfectly. The story is very selfcontained compared with the rest of the story arc of the other 6 books. Also, I thought the movie direction was the best of the movies so far.

Posted by: BWeaves at July 16, 2009 10:23 AM

BWeaves, you're so right - POA is Book Three.

Posted by: Kolby at July 16, 2009 10:35 AM

BWeaves, I would watch the hell out of a HP cartoon series.

Posted by: JenVegas at July 16, 2009 11:22 AM

Prisoner of Azkaban is also my favorite of the film adaptations.

I saw a midnight showing of Half Blood Prince and loved it. I knew from early reviews though that the battle sequence at the end was drastically reduced and the Gaunt flashbacks were cut. So I had already come to terms with that, which I thinked helped me enjoy the movie more.

The three things that I remind myself before seeing a HP movie are:

1. The format that works so well in the books (90% rising action and wonderful small moments...and then boom! Big conclusion with multiple climaxes!) does not translate well into a movie. So in addition to cutting out many of my favorite scenes, the stories need to be restructured.

2. I'm thinking some of the excised moments of Half Blood Prince may make it into the next two movies. While it will obviously be presented differently, it does make some sense (especially for the non HP-reading moviegoers) to have the horcrux information when Harry is looking for most of the horcruxes.

3. This is the biggest for me: JK Rowling approves of the changes. So many book adaptations are made without consulting the authors - once the rights of the book are bought, the author doesn't have a say. But that isn't the case here. She is involved in the whole film process.

Overall, I'm a bit sad with what was left out from Half Blood Prince, but I thought the movie did a great job of keeping the tone and theme of the novel. I'm anxious to see it again.

Posted by: MN_Jen at July 16, 2009 12:09 PM

I will only pay money to see a Harry Potter film if one of the following individuals directs a Harry Potter film:

1) Michael Bay. "Okay--so, Harry Potter raises his, uh, wand thing, and waves it around or something, and says a mystical spell. THEN, everything explodes. Turns out Harry just made Hogwarts COME TO LIFE and now it has to fight Voldemort, but the only way Harry can do it is if the US Army helps him." The entire move is in slow motion, of course, and lasts for 7 hours.

2) George Lucas. I mean, I used to love Harry Potter as a kid. I also used to love Star Wars and Indiana Jones. I figure Lucas can finish off killing my childhood. Maybe he can direct a Pokemon movie afterwards?

3) Guillermo del Toro. It would be THE MOST VISUALLY AMAZING AND SCARY HARRY POTTER YET. pleasepleasepleasepleasepleasepleaseplease. I actually want this one.

4) And my favorite: Quentin Tarantino. "So, then Harry lifts an AK-47. The bullets manage to decapitate Voldemort, and there's blood spray for about 70 seconds. End scene."

How are these not good ideas??

Posted by: Victor at July 16, 2009 4:05 PM

It was good. However, most of the kids still can't act. I was stunned (STUNNED) at how much better Malfoy was in this movie! That kid really learned how to act between 5 and 6. The movie was flawed, but solid, and the fact that they're trying to be as accurate as possible with the adaptation of the seventh makes me cautiously optimistic.

Posted by: Christian H. at July 16, 2009 5:17 PM

Actually, Victor, Harry would probably use a katana and decapitate Voldemort, and the arterial blood spray would be powered by a hose that will be just slightly visible coming out of the body's neck.

Posted by: Christian H. at July 16, 2009 5:21 PM

I loved it. And I think I loved it more because I have read the books, but I'm not an obsessive fan. I'd read the book a few years back and haven't touched it since so most of the details are actually quite lost to me. And actually, it's one of the reasons I've found it impossible to re-read this series. While I appreciate depth in a storyline, I find Rowling sometimes makes her books TOO detailed, weighing them down with so many different characters and storylines and inside jokes and little scenes and clues that ultimately lead nowhere (as far as I can tell).

So, I came into the movie literally having forgotten what the book was all about but knowing enough of the basics to follow along, my memory being reawakened as the story unfolded. I thought it was great. The only thing I missed was the [spoiler] funeral scene at the end since it sets up the final book so brilliantly. Harry is so riled up and filled with rage and ready to go. Everyone is filled with so much grief and Ginny, Ron and Hermione's characters really come out full force in that final chapter. It gets you all psyched for the search for the Horcruxes, and I remember being truly shocked that the last book wasn't going to be set at school. The movie totally missed the mark on that.

But other then that, the cinematrography was excellent. The choice of music combined with the moments of silence were spot on. The acting finally caught up to the storyline. I was so happy to see Ron being something other than a spineless twit whose voice squeaks at innoportune moments (he's one of my fave characters in the books and the is the only movie where I haven't found him grating) and Hermione's eyebrows weren't out full force. I also love how they dealt with that relationship, not playing it for laughs or shrugging it off because it all comes to a head in the next book.

And I know people wanted more Snape, but I honestly didn't register the lack of screen time since Alan Rickman is downright brilliant and stole the fucking show, along with Tom Felton. C'mon, that scene in the bathroom, with the water...amazing!

All around, I loved it and can't wait to see it again.

Posted by: BMG at July 16, 2009 8:33 PM

Word Shay, Snuggiepants, Sparkle77, Seraf, and Moi . Fucking word.

I'm trying to separate the books and the movies. But damn it's really hard with this one.

POA is still the best of the lot.

Posted by: ceejeemcbeegee at July 16, 2009 9:24 PM

Leftylad I'm curious, why is it so highly unusual for you to agree with me? I don't even comment here very often anymore. Have you ever used another name?

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at July 16, 2009 10:04 PM

BMG, you are right on the mark.

My impression of David Yates so far is that he can evoke a certain mood with his images very effectively but cannot payoff the big emotional moments.

He kind of reminds me a bit of Ridley Scott, which would be great in many situations, its just that Ridley Scott would be all wrong for Harry Potter and so is Yates.

So far he's completely botched the endings of the last 2 Potter movies, which definitely lowers my expectations for Deathly Hollows.

That being said the movie was watchable enough, just not terribly thrilling or intriguing. Better than Order of the Phoenix for sure, but then it was based on a much better book.

I'll add to the chorus of love for Prisoner of Azkaban, still clearly the best Potter film imo.

Posted by: Chris at July 16, 2009 10:19 PM

ceejeemcbeegee, et al.: I concur. Especially POA, it still ranks as one of the best of the series both film- and book-form, though I'm always bewildered over the split opinion on POA the movie. It was so fucking GOOD.

For a movie whose trailers--that I lasciviously lapped up everytime they were released--gave me goosebumps and thrills, I found Half-Blood Prince to be sadly lacking in emotional resonance. To whoever said it was like the Cliff Notes of the book, that's exactly what it felt like: not a particularly strong or cohesive narrative arc to make me feel immersed in Harry Potter world, or frankly, to feel for the characters in general (no small feat, I live and breathe Harry Potter). Radcliffe, Watson, Grint...they're getting better, to be sure--but they're still far from really good actors, and some pivotal emotional moments really revealed the artifice of the movie (or, movie-making in general, I guess).

Nonetheless, HBP was still pretty decent, and Lavender Brown and Malfoy stole the show for me. Actually, hearing Malfoy quietly sobbing was one of the most moving parts; heart in my throat, that sort of thing.
Also, Snuggiepants re: phallic Quidditch: for reals!! A couple of times in my more infantile state, I leaned over to my pal and whispered, "that is a really long dick." Cormac was also a pleasant surprise/new masturbatory aid. Huzzahs!

Posted by: keenerweiner at July 16, 2009 10:24 PM

OK... I am a HUGE HP fan, and I took my niece (another HUGE HP fan) ont he day it opened. I'll agree... the cinematic effects were excellent. I'll agree that Rupert Grint did a great job (his scenes while under the influence of love potion were absolutely fabulous). However, any true lover of the books would have to question why it is necessary to take so much of what made the books so wonderful out - only to put scenes in that never occurred in the books at all (just to get context). We've missed the hunt for the horcruxes... we've missed the Tonks/Moody drama. There was too much license taken with the story line - with the result that a true HP fan had to find him or herself frustrated with story lines that didn't match the book, and really important parts of the story that were totally left out. I understand trying to save time by cutting dialogue... but if one is trying to save time - don't add new material (like the fight in the field at the Weasley's). Where was the touching final scenes of the book... that we would have loved to have seen on the big screen? I'm now re-reading (for the umpteenth time) book 6 - because I need to make sure that my memories of Book 6 are the ones JK Rowling (not Warner Borthers) put there. I think your rating is way, way off.

Posted by: Evelyn at July 16, 2009 11:03 PM

SPOILERS

I just don't understand the point of blowing up the Burrow. Take out parts, yes, but inventing new ones? The hell?
And I didn't like the reworking of the tower scene at the end, not at all. I found the book's version, with Harry frozen and unable to act, much more powerful. And I really missed the Hogwarts battle.
That being said, there were some parts I really enjoyed. Rupert Grint was funny and Tom Felton really picked it up. I LOVED seeing the inside of of the joke shop, and getting a quick glimpse of the pygmy puff.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at July 17, 2009 12:43 AM

It's been some time now since I've read the books however I do remember a few pivotal scenes from Half-Blood prince that I sincerely hope the movie stays true too. I'm not terribly let down when certain characters or scenes are left out. Yet I think it is important that certain scenes and how they're represented in the book be portrayed on screen in the same spirit as they are in the book. For example, the lingering big question about whether Snape is or isn't evil is of supreme importance. To downplay that question or not even present it as this big mystery would feel like a big let down.

Now that many of Harry Potter's younger friends are getting reaching adult territory, I do hope someone has the good sense to translate the books into a tv series/tv movies or, as someone suggested above, ongoing animated show even. We might not be able to get the big names or the awesome special effects for projects like these but we could probably get better character development and more story. I would totally be down with that.

Posted by: Mik at July 17, 2009 1:21 AM

Just got back. Some thoughts:

- Overall, a really good movie. Much better effort from David Yates who seemed much more comfortable with the trappings of the wizarding world this time around. He mixes in some of the monochromatic tones that Cuaron used in Prisoner of Azkaban and ratched up the adolescent angst that had been present in Goblet of Fire and Order of the Phoenix.

- Of the 3 leads, Grint's Ron and Watson's Hermione come off looking the best. That may be easier to pull off since the best emotional beats go to them while Radcliffe's Harry has more important things to do storywise. That said, it was funny watching him feeling "lucky" thanks to the luck potion -- or was it meant to come off as if he was high?

- Of the supporting cast, Felton's Draco steals the show. It's been a long time since I felt sorry for a villain, but here he manages the trick by showing us that deep down, all Draco has been is a confused, scared little boy who's let others (his father, Voldemort) lead him down dark paths.

- However, the majority of the large cast gets the short end. Hagrid is in one cute scene and then as background color. Neville, Luna and other friends appear for a moment and are gone. Thewlis' Lupin and the Weasley parents (I forget their names) are in 1 sequence and that's it.

- Their loss comes at the addition of Broadbent's Slughorn and an expansion of Gambon's Dumbledore. Both are their usual solid selves. And the lesson ultimately that out of the well-intetioned mistakes of the elders arise the tragedies of today is front and center.

- The changes were not as bothersome as I thought (I did mind losing "Weasley is our King" but I can live with it). As for the changes to the climax, I get why no duel (Snape's not looking to harm Potter and he'd have to due to the Death Eaters). But why no charm from Dumbledore? Hmm...

I'll have to see it again before I can determine for myself how highly this one ranks, but it's miles better than Columbus' 2 movies and Yates' own Order of the Phoenix. If nothing else, it makes me want to see Deathly Hallows 1 and 2 now.

Sorry for the long read.

Posted by: Fredo at July 17, 2009 1:31 AM

Every single time I see the word "yeoman" I have to look it up. For pete and pete's sake, I looked it up three minutes ago and have already forgotten the fucking meaning.

That is all. I won't go to this movie.

Posted by: SaBrina at July 17, 2009 2:59 AM

SPOILERS AHEAD

Now, it's obvious that this installment in the series is the one to take the most liberties in terms of faithfulness to the source material. Yes, there were many, MANY additions to the plot, changes to the scenes, and cuts overall. However, I believe the problem most people have with this is that even if they think they are separating the books from the film, they are failing miserably.

- The Elder Wand. Yes, it was not in the "right place" in the conclusion of the film, but that doesn't really matter at all. Why? Because the importance lies in the final master of the wand--which is still Snape since he killed Dumbledore. Voldemort can just as easily steal it from the school as he can from Dumbledore's grave and he will still be in the same situation as in the book. It even works better this way with the film since it didn't show his funeral anyway.

- No funeral/big fight. Yes, let's have the exact same fight from the previous movie, but it's different because it's in a different location! All the films have taken liberties with the endings of each because they don't want the films to seem too formulaic. A huge fight is exciting in the book, but to see it again on screen with the same main players would be dull and actually be distracting to the death of Dumbledore. Plus, I feel like there is a sufficient nod to any Potter fan in the image of Fawkes serenely flying over the castle as the movie ends, since Fawkes' achingly sad song is one of the main parts in the funeral.

- The murder scene. I think it is very faithful to the character of Harry in the film series to stay downstairs during the murder--especially since right before departing Hogwarts he promised to do everything Dumbledore said. The promise doesn't evaporate upon returning. And another commenter mentioned the addition of his scene with Snape. That was a brilliant addition since it showed he was itching to go up as well, but since he was still convinced Snape was on his side, stayed put as ordered to. Furthermore, Dumbledore is the one person that Harry does not feel he needs to "save" and the opposite actually holds true. Since the Dumbledore in the film was actually very composed when dealing with Draco, I suppose Harry did not feel as great a need to save him as the weakened Dumbledore portrayed in the book.

- Horcruxes. Why was this movie not as Horcrux centric as the book was? Why wasn't everything explained as it was in the book? Because then the next two movies would come out repetitive and dull. This movie did its job in laying enough ground for an intro to Horcruxes so Harry (and the audience) have something to go on in the next movie.

- Voldemort's past. We learn about Voldemort's past almost entirely through memories seen in the pensieve in the book. That would be excruciating to watch on film. Yates did a good job in breaking down the key memories and the actor who played the teenaged Riddle did a good job of showing Voldemort's evil nature in one memory. Many of the other memories about Voldemort were helpful in explaining Horcruxes and establishing how much Harry and Riddle have in common, but there are other scenes that do the same without beating the audience over the head with it.

- The Weasley House. Ok, this one was difficult for me at first too. However, another commenter mentioned the striking absence of any bad news coming into Hogwarts from the outside. We see some of it in the beginning with the bridge collapse and such, but throughout the movie there isn't so much as a whisper. It may seem odd, but focusing on that would be too much for the film, which is already trying to cram in a lot, and ultimately detract from the several main plot points running at once. So instead of just mentioning or showing random characters suffering from Voldemort's return, the film instead shows how far his reach actually is and destroys something that is much more meaningful to the audience than something mentioned in passing. It also gave us another scene where we see how raw Harry still is about Sirius and the pain that the war is causing. He didn't have a second thought when he ran after Narcissa. Also, it was able to show the extent of Ginny's affection for Harry in that she ran right after him.

I like the movie a lot. It's finely made and it uses the knowledge of the series as a whole to craft a story that stays true to the heart of it rather than just the straight storyline. The cuts and changes were made (hopefully) with the understanding that it would be most beneficial to the final two movies in the series.

Posted by: alice at July 17, 2009 3:33 AM

OKAY! I've seen the movie twice and I know mostly EVERYONE loves it - or at least they don't mind it. It is a good movie in some ways but in some other more stronger ways it is a TERRIBLE way to retell or portray one of the most amazing books I have ever read.

There really was NOT supposed to be that much romance or hinting of romance in the movie. It was definitely not supposed to be the centre of the movie. THERE WAS A HUGE lacking of action. Where was the big fight? The members of the Order versus the Deatheaters? WHY would that final battle be cut so short? Even the ending with Snape - he was supposed to SHRIEK madly at Harry, screaming at him for calling him a coward, for using his own spells against him! I believe he might've made some mention of James Potter in his mad shriekings. Of course SNAPE HIMSELF was much much MUCH too calm and reserved throughout this film (by the way, is there NO occlumency in these last two films?) SNAPE DESPISES Harry! Snape should've been mad beyond anything when he found Harry and Draco!

Harry versus Draco int he bathroom? Was Draco NOT supposed to use the unforgivable Cruciatus Curse on Harry? That was one of my favourite parts of the book. Getting to see Draco and Harry fully frontal wih each other! Harry only used Sectumsempra AFTER Draco used Crucio!! Terrible.

Sorry if I've gone on but I had HIGH hopes for this movie - Daniel Radcliffe was DEFINITELY lacking emotion. WHERE WAS the darkness and sorrow that Harry had around him after his Godfather died? He he should've been constantly thinking about Voldemort too. A definite lacking of emotion.

Again I am sorry if I've offended anyone, that was not my intention. Just a little upset. On the upside Emma and Rupert were GREAT [I do think Ginny is a little plain and weakly portrayed - she is the "firey" young Weasley girl - not the little twelve year old girl she was in the 2nd movie].

:) Thank you if you read all of that!

Posted by: AMANDA A REAL HARRY POTTER BOOK FAN at July 17, 2009 4:15 AM

alice, word on pretty much everything (though i still miss the funeral scene, ngl)

[spoiler]
I also didn't mind that Harry didn't make a move to save Dumbledore as he didn't realize that Snape was any real threat. In fact, Harry is raising his arm to prepare to defend Dumbledore, when Snape basically holds him up at wand-point to stop him. He then shushes Harry and Harry makes a choice to trust him, knowing that if he reveals himself now, he blows what he thinks is Snape's cover and forces someone who he begrudgingly thinks of as an ally to have to hurt him. He also knows Snape can protect Draco, who we later find out Harry believes was incapable of killing Dumbledore and was actually lowering his wand.

But the most important thing from that sequence was a central theme in the book, that Harry completely and totally trusted Dumbledore, to a fault. When everyone around him and his own two eyes were telling him that Dumbledore was faltering, he was steady, up to the very end until, in the book, it took a spell to keep him from jumping to Dumbledore's rescue. In the movie, it's even more powerful, because all it takes is a promise to keep him in line.

Posted by: BMG at July 17, 2009 4:19 AM

Because the importance lies in the final master of the wand--which is still Snape since he killed Dumbledore.

Sorry, sorry, dorking out here - Dumbledore was disarmed by Draco, not Snape, so the Elder Wand follows Draco. Death is not necessary for the wand's allegiance to transfer; that's the mistake Voldemort made.

Posted by: Lauren at July 17, 2009 4:56 AM

Agreed with Alice and BMG. To add (long comment, sorry):

In the books, Harry and Snape LOATHE each other due to their pasts: Snape hates Harry because of how James Potter treated him as a teen (and because Harry is ~the Chosen one~); Harry hates Snape because, well, because Snape hates him and always kicks him down. Harry does begin to feel a bit of sympathy for Snape when he sees Snape's Worst Memory in Book 5, but this is quickly thrown out of the window when Snape seemingly contributes to Sirius's death. Harry's pure hatred for Snape is sealed when he finds out in Book 6, shortly before going off with Dumbledore to find the locket in the cave, that Snape was the Death Eater who overheard the prophecy about the Potters, who told Voldemort and who basically sold Harry and his parents out to Voldemort (of course, what he doesn't know is that Snape felt so terrible about it that it caused him to switch sides). So even before Snape kills Dumbledore, it's very, VERY personal to Harry. Snape offing the Headmaster when the latter is at his most vulnerable is just the icing on the cake, so to speak.

In the movies, you don't really have that backstory. Snape really just comes of as a nasty, petty teacher who has it in for Harry mainly because he's the Nasty Teacher and Harry is famous. There's no mention of Snape and Harry's parents going to school together in PoA (that I can remember anyway), the Marauders are pretty much totally glossed over, and while they did keep Snape's Worst Memory in OotP it was really so chopped up and vague, and then later not discussed more, that it doesn't really make any impression. So in HBP, Snape is still just the Nasty Teacher (LOVED, LOVED, LOVED that bit where Cormac threw up over his shoes and he just gave that... Look). It also shows in Harry's behavior towards him: terse, but with a sort of grudging respect. Harry doesn't like the man, but he does realise that Snape can do stuff he can't, and if necessary they can work together (at least, Harry can).
So at the end of HBP, when Harry's standing under the floor and then sees Snape come up, he's actually relieved to see him. Snape's here: he's going to take care of things now. Snape shushes him because Harry is too valuable to be killed; Harry thinks Snape means for him to stay silent and let Snape rescue Dumbledore. He's fully able to move, but he keeps quiet because Dumbledore AND Snape told him to. He trusts Snape! (As both Dumbledore and Lupin told him to, btw, both people he never saw any reason not to believe.) And thus it comes as an even worse betrayal when Snape just kills Dumbledore, seemingly without any regret (that Harry can see - Alan Rickman brilliantly portrayed Snape's hesitation). It's not just that his hated teacher killed his beloved mentor, it's that the hated teacher whom he had decided to trust, and who he had thought would save Dumbledore turns out to be nothing more than a Death Eater, on par with Bellatrix.
THAT makes it personal, as personal as his hatred of Bellatrix (agreed with whoever said that him running after Bellatrix at the Weasley's was very well done). And THAT will make Snape's redemption all the sweeter when it comes in TDH2!

So while I didn't really like that it wasn't as in the books, it worked very, very well as a way to make Harry hate Snape even though they cut Trelawney. :)


Anyway... I loved the movie! I loved that it was both funny and scary and poignant. The comedy bit were so great (stand-outs: Ron on Love Potion, Harry on Luck Potion: "pinchers!" *krr krr*), Lavender was really hilariously horrible. I loved Dumbledore in this, and Snape (Spinners End was just PERFECT), and Draco was outstanding.
I didn't really like how it was a bit too obvious that Snape was good, although that might have been because I saw the books. I also felt that the ending was a bit rushed: too many things happening in too little time. I missed "don't - call - me - coward!" from Snape, and they could have explained more about the fact that Snape was the Half-Blood Prince instead of just "I am the Half-Blood Prince". Maybe have him gloat that yes, it had been Snape teaching Harry all along.
And too little Lupin and Tonks, but I always complain about that so whatever. :p (What was with him being all doggish though? Sure, he's a werewolf, but he wasn't sniffing out Sirius in PoA and that actually WAS a full moon! In HBP he seemed ready to be put on a leash to snif out the Death Eaters.)

Long comment is long...

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Posted by: william at July 17, 2009 6:16 AM

Regarding the funeral/presence of the wand: I think there's a good chance that this is the scene that kicks off Deathly Hallows, Part 1. Given that the Wand is a Hallow, it makes sense to make to include it at the start of that movie to make sure it's not forgotten.

Posted by: Fredo at July 17, 2009 7:48 AM

It's sort of appropriate that the Inferi look like Gollum since the entire dead-people-in-the-water thing was lifted almost exactly from Tolkien's Dead Marshes ;)

Posted by: velocibadgergirl at July 17, 2009 8:03 AM

MelBivDevoe....when Ginny tied Harry's shoe, I thought about saying that to MY fiance! But, my daughter, who was so psyched about seeing this that it was ALL she asked for as a birthday gift, was sitting right there, so, ummmm, really couldn't.

I enjoyed the movie. Didn't miss a lot of what was left out. It was incredibly LOOOOOOOOOONG. My fiance kept sighing and saying he needed a smoke break. Did like the development of the relationships, and especially LURVED Lavendar and the always wonderful Luna (criminally underused)

And, yes, velocibadgergirl, I DID lean over to my daughter at the apprearance of the Inferi, just as she said, "GOLLUM!" to whisper, my precious!

Looking forward to Deathly Hallows, the reveal of Dumbledore's relationship, and Mrs. Weasley getting her bitch on.

Posted by: dammitjanet at July 17, 2009 9:01 AM

@Shelli - "I would say that this introduction means that you shouldn't be allowed to comment on the movie at all. PoA, really? Its sooo awful!"

I've read all of the books, and POA is my favorite, as it seems to be for many Pajibans.

So, hush please.

Posted by: Colin at July 17, 2009 9:40 AM

So since this movie is so much about romance does Harry ever say "it's not the size of the wand that matters, but the magic that comes out of it?"

Posted by: Dingle Berry at July 17, 2009 10:55 AM

there were several asides to fenrir, so i was surprised it was not given more at the end. even if bill was outright included, he should have been shown in recovery.
i hate the bow-tie ending each director feels he needs to give each movie. we all know there's another movie. it is okay to give it an open ending. the funeral would have been awesome; it would have also given the elder wand it's place.
i get the feeling the next movie will comletely cut out the wedidng and just start with the reading of the will.
another thing that bothers me so much about the later movies is how unbalanced the characters of ron and hermione have become. the last movie had hermione delivering several of ron's lines. this movie seemed to trivialize ron into a hormone-crazed teenager.
something i loved about this movie? (i feel like i'm doing a lot of smack talking, so i'l highlight something cool) i loved the weasley twins. they are so perfectly cast. the store was awesome.

Posted by: courtney at July 17, 2009 1:45 PM

Because the importance lies in the final master of the wand--which is still Snape since he killed Dumbledore.
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Sorry, sorry, dorking out here - Dumbledore was disarmed by Draco, not Snape, so the Elder Wand follows Draco. Death is not necessary for the wand's allegiance to transfer; that's the mistake Voldemort made.
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Spot on.
This is what makes *BIG SPOILER* (well not really) Voldemort's treatment of Snape all the more tragic. He never was the owner of the Elder Wand.

While I did enjoy this movie one of my biggest concerns has always been the short shift to Snape's story. He is a tragic figure, but only if you understand how much he loved Lilly, why he hated James Potter, how pathetic it was to refer to himself as "The Half Blood Prince" and how betrayed he felt by Voldemort and how brave he truly is.

Posted by: jules at July 17, 2009 2:17 PM

**Spoilers**

First do not worry about the damn wand. Draco is still the rightful power of the wand. I have a feeling that they will start with the funeral and the wand will be placed in the tomb. Think about it a little, there is not much in the first half of the book, so the opening of Hallows I will have the funeral, Harry's goodbye to his aunt, the 7 Potters, the wedding and will end at Bagshot's house at Christmas.

The Borrow will be rebuilt, magically of course, because that is their meeting place when Harry turns 17. Hence it will leave a place for the wedding and a place for Ron's double (the ghoul)to be sick at the open of the school year.

As for the movie, Radcliffe was better than you guys are giving him credit for, I think he was spot on. Draco was fantastic, Bellatrix has to be the coolest evil bitch ever, sorry she was sort of hot. Fred and George's store was fucking fantastic, and the testing of the vanishing cabinet was great. I miss no Doby or Kreacher shadowing Malfoy.

As a total, the movie is fantastic and all issues will be solved with 5 more hours to come over the next two years.

Posted by: richmac at July 17, 2009 2:21 PM

Actually, I forgot to mention the cabinet. The ONE addition that totally won out over the book was seeing the phases of getting the cabinet to work. JK never talked about that, she just alluded to the fact that it was broken and was taking time to fix. Very cool indeed.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at July 17, 2009 2:46 PM

Good points, Mr. mac. That sounds reasonable. There's stuff they can leave out but also stuff they can put back in across two movies. I guess kinda like how a fair amount of the "Two Towers" book got rolled over into the "King".

sorry she was sort of hot

"Sort of" nothin! She just is. Oh yes, that beach scene in "Sweeney Todd" was wonderful.

Posted by: Jay at July 17, 2009 7:35 PM

myysharona, I agree about the "stages of the cabinet being fixed" thing. The movies have one major advantage over the books, in that they can explore the perspective of characters who aren't Harry a lot more explicitly, and that was one example of them doing it very well.

As for the movie version of Belllatrix, I'm kinda torn. I love the way Bonham Carter practically dry humps every male character she interacts with, not because she'd touch them with a bargepole, but to try to bend them to her will - that's conveyed incredibly well through the acting. I love the sheer pleasure she takes in doing evil; the shrieking and the posturing and the overly stylised spell-casting work very well with the character. But (and this is partially because of her actions, rather than Bonham Carter's performance) she's just so much less threatening than I'd like her to be. The friends I saw this film with couldn't stop laughing at her 'rampage' through Hogwarts, kicking glasses off tables and whatnot, because (as we'd seen literally two hours earlier) that's not exactly a major thing for a wizard to fix. And watching Harry and Ginny hold off her ambush after chasing her into the swamp outside the Burrow just didn't ring true; she's meant to be one of the most powerful duellists in the world. Hell, at the end of OOTP she takes out half the Order (Tonks, Kingsley and Sirius) before blocking Dumbledore's attacks and escaping. It's one thing to believe that Molly Weasley could beat her when fuelled by rage and maternal fury; it's another to think that she can't sneak up on two teenagers and disarm them before they can even blink.

Posted by: Shay at July 17, 2009 9:11 PM

I totally thought this was a joke review at first, a la 'Air Bud.' Did we watch the same movie?

Posted by: shyestviolet at July 17, 2009 11:24 PM

Good point about Bellatrix, Shay. HBC is missing something there, in my opinion. I like the glee just fine, along with the mania, but she comes off as more crazy than dangerous. I want there to be more of a psycho derangement than impish mischievousness, which is what I get when I watch the movies.
I mean come on! She tortured the Longbottoms until they were crazy. Tortured. Into. Insanity. And probably had a grand time doing it. And is completely off her fucking rocker.
HOWEVER, the actress who played Narcissa Malfoy (brief though it was) rocked. She really captured the whole "super prideful but having to ask for help in the face of serious fear for her child, especially now that her husband is in prison" thing. And with just a few facial expressions--stone cold, betrayed by a couple twitches. Nicely done.
Felton's Draco did the same thing, which is why I was SO impressed with him, much more than I was with Radcliffe.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at July 18, 2009 12:50 AM

I've seen the movie twice in the last 2 days, and here are my 2 cents, should you care to read them:

This is going to be blasphemy to most of you, but Helena B-C really didn't do Bellatrix right. There didn't seem to be any sense of vindictive anger and self-righteousness...she played it like she was a small girl twirling in a field, just kind of having fun, not with a bloody vengeance and eagerness to kill. It's disappointing. Bellatrix (to me) was supposed to represent the out-right randomness of death.
Perhaps I'm not explaining myself clearly...too much drinky, not enough sobery.

I also thought Dan Radcliffe did a good job with the comedic aspect of the movie. He looked like he was finally having a bit of fun with it, rather than brooding like a jackass and whining about being stared at all the time.

All in all, best movie yet. And as for Ginny tying the shoelace? We all have filthy minds, but I honestly can't think of any other reason a girl would use that excuse to get close to someone's penis...

Posted by: popejenn at July 18, 2009 4:09 AM

Seems like the biggest complaints are of folks comparing what was left out of the book vs what's on screen -- and not regarding the overall quality of the movie.

Thought we'd gotten past that since PoA.

Posted by: Fredo at July 18, 2009 1:23 PM

Seems like the biggest complaints are of folks comparing what was left out of the book vs what's on screen -- and not regarding the overall quality of the movie.

Thought we'd gotten past that since PoA.

To be fair, there's a difference between criticising the film by saying "I can't believe they cut the scenes of Harry replacing the Quidditch players with less capable substitutes!!!" and "I can't believe they cut the climactic battle sequence that leaves one character disfigured and another dead, leaving only the (now more rushed) death instead", or "Certain scenes were done differently from the book that could have been done more faithfully without adding any length or complexity to the film" - for example, while the changes made to Harry's actions at the film's climax didn't bother me, I can see why others found them out of character and annoying, and it seems to have been an unnecessary change. The only potential reason is (SPOILER) it might have been hard to convey Harry being frozen and desperate to move on film, but I can't see that being an insurmountable problem; if you can't rely on his acting, give him a line in the final scene explaining to Hermione how Dumbledore froze Harry instead of defending himself, essentially dying in Harry's place (which becomes a theme in the 7th book, where Harry is repeatedly taunted and feels guilt for other people dying for him). Literary adaptations can't ever stand on their own as films, because 'the overall quality of the movie' will always be compared to that of the book, and getting rid of some of the more exciting and dramatic scenes towards the end of the book for the sake of expediency seems like a poor directorial choice.

This is going to be blasphemy to most of you, but Helena B-C really didn't do Bellatrix right. There didn't seem to be any sense of vindictive anger and self-righteousness...she played it like she was a small girl twirling in a field, just kind of having fun, not with a bloody vengeance and eagerness to kill. It's disappointing. Bellatrix (to me) was supposed to represent the out-right randomness of death.

I agree to an extent, though I do believe (as I said above) that the fault lies with the writing rather than with HBC. Bear in mind that in the books, virtually every time we meet Bellatrix she's killing people - her first major appearance at the end of OOTP sees her killing Sirius. When the gang meet her at Malfoy Manor she takes out a group of Snatchers and Fenrir singlehanded, then kills Dobby. In her last attack on Hogwarts, she murders Tonks (or so JK Rowling says). The only time I can think of that she confronted the Order and didn't murder at least one major character is the opening chase from the Burrow, and even Tonks puts that down to luck on her part. One of the problems with the movies compressing the Death Eaters' numbers and putting Bellatrix front-and-centre more often is that she can't wreak very much havoc and doesn't get to kill people. If the character were as performed in the film but casually killed a few people during her attacks on the Burrow or Hogwarts, she'd have that sense of menace, purpose and random fury that makes up the book version. Bellatrix being crazy and twirly and murdering you right in the face while she cackles gleefully fits completely; Bellatrix giggling as she smashes a few windows just isn't the same.

Posted by: Shay at July 18, 2009 2:03 PM

I enjoyed the movie a great deal, but I concur with some of the flaws. The scene at the Burrow threw me off, I thought I was having some senile dementia, and I still don't get how inventing that while slicing everything but the John Hughes aspects made for good storytelling.

I did enjoy Harry on the Felix potion, he had a comic timing I didn't expect. And Tom Felton did do an excellent job as Draco, up to this point he had been wooden and one-dimensional, he really filled in the blanks nicely. The Luna Lovegood character is also becoming a favorite.

More CuarĂ²n. Isn't going to happen but I make it up in my own head anyway. That's the only perfect movie of a Harry Potter or Tolkien Book, you know. The one inside your head while you're reading it.

Posted by: Stacy D at July 19, 2009 10:26 AM

That's the only perfect movie of a Harry Potter or Tolkien Book, you know. The one inside your head while you're reading it.

That's very true.

Is it bad that I wanted to wear a Harry + Draco Forever tee shirt to the movie? Cuz...that's the movie that plays in MY head.

Posted by: myysharona (formerly Sharon) at July 19, 2009 3:30 PM

Saw it this afternoon and would rank it 2nd only to Prisoner of Azkaban. True, it barely resembles the book but the movie is unbelievably strong even as it strays wildly from the novel. I was bored out of my mind during Transformers 2 but never so much as looked at my watch during Half Blood Prince's similar running time of 2.5 hours. A truly excellent movie but don't go in expecting the book to play out on screen. This is probably the loosest adaptation yet in the series.

I have a feeling they cut the last battle sequence so it didn't feel redundant in Deathly Hallows. So if that is the case I really don't mind the change as long as they pull out all the stops when the time comes.

Posted by: TylerDFC at July 19, 2009 4:26 PM

I have a feeling they cut the last battle sequence so it didn't feel redundant in Deathly Hallows.

A few people have suggested that upthread (along with the idea that it's a virtual retread of the OOTP final battle) but if that was their reasoning, I think it was flawed. It'll be two more movies before we're seeing the Battle of Hogwarts, which isn't due out until July 2011 (and that's assuming WB don't push it back like they did with this one), and I don't think the fights are similar enough in style (one of them is a small fight with maybe a dozen people involed, the other is a sprawling battle with 100+ people tearing around the castle) to make either redundant. More importantly, in light of the final scenes of OOTP, the battle in HBP shows the younger cast members growing up and holding their own (albeit with the Felix potion helping them along), compared to their tactic of "run away!" during OOTP.

Posted by: Shay at July 19, 2009 4:45 PM

I agree for all the negative. This is a big thumbs down. I really missed how harry potter 1 an2 movie captivated me. In this movie I got a heart attack and my brain got muddled. Destroying a wonderful story i think is unforgivable. Yes this is very dark. Maybe in HP 7 you have just to listen. It is a rubbish thing to portray the gripping of the dark side to be so dark making the viewers struggle. If i didn't read the book after I watch this maybe I would end up retarded. Good thing I read it I save my sanity. If the director is the same I wont watch HP 7 anymore. Those who didn't yet watch this movie better don't. Best thing to do is buy the book read and make your own movie. This movie is a rubbish just like HP5. Beware don't waste your money!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: fangs at July 20, 2009 2:08 AM

I'm an adult (and a professional writer) who loves both film and the HP series of books. The series is among the best children's literature I have ever run across. I thought Book 6 to be truly fascinating and compelling. It was clear from its detailed plot line that its intent was to set up the finale, Book 7. The key plot points were horcruxes, the history of Tom Riddle (which was essential to the series), and the "betrayal" of Dumbledore. We were finally given a glimpse into the duality of Severus--which made the murder of Dumbledore so shocking and compelling. What I admired about the series is that the story grew in complexity and maturity with each installment--while maintaining a sense of wonder.

Certainly, I understand that no movie adaptation can encompass everything from a book. But successful adaptations always have been true to the key plot and faithful to the characters. I look at it this way: A movie captures the essence and intent of the book.

Given that, I eagerly awaited this new installment. I was so disappointed. I found the pace plodding from the very start. ( first for a HP film)--so much so that I had trouble keeping awake. Interestingly enough, I noticed that a number of kids around me had either become restless or had fallen asleep.

I thought that my memory was failing me because there were many times that I thought: "Gee, I don't remember that happening in the book." The elements that made the book so "spellbinding." It came across as the product of an indulgent director who chose to create his OWN self-centered vision instead of being faithful to the book and its audience. Yates has let us down.

Posted by: Doug Leland at July 20, 2009 8:28 PM

Posted by: Amanda at July 21, 2009 2:54 AM

Every person I've talked to who hasn't read the books came away completely confused as to the plot. I had the same reaction--that the film couldn't stand on its own--and started polling people. For me, no matter how relatively well-shot this movie was, and, yes, the relationships between the characters has jumped up a few notches in terms of complexity, but the writers and directors did so at the expense of the plot. But then, I've read the books so it's no problem for me, but someone coming into this franchise with only the movies to anchor them? I don't think it's going to work for them

Posted by: Claire at July 24, 2009 4:22 PM

One can never have enough Rickman and Fiennes.

I heartily agree.

I always come away from the HP movies happy to have seen them but disappointed in them at the same time. Also, being a rabid Rickman fan, wasn't this supposed to be the Snape-centric movie?

Also, the seventh movies(s) need to not be PG. I don't care if it alienates a huge audience of people; the books grew up and the movies need to follow suit. Besides, with all the inappropriate shit kids seem to have access to these days, isn't a well-done and accurate HP movie that kinda scares the bajeezus outta you the way it's supposed to better than watching half the dreck kids get into on the internet?

Posted by: Jessica at July 26, 2009 6:22 PM

The only thing I could think of when Ginny tied Harry's shoelace was "While you're down there...". Beautiful, dark cinematography, but average movie all round.

Posted by: Ali at July 27, 2009 7:38 AM

I was seriously disappointed. David yates did better for this one than the 5th but it was still sorta pathetic..it kept my attention but i just didnt like it at all. The end scence couldve been way better. it was boring and i didnt like that either

Posted by: Sarsar at July 27, 2009 9:17 PM

most dumbass scene of the movie - when they stand around watching the burrow burn down. apparently magic is completely useless.

Posted by: chiefly at July 30, 2009 5:10 PM

Am I the only one who thought, when Hermione shows up in the first scene and Ron wipes her mouth that 'That's not toothpaste!'? Same in the pub scene with the butter beer! She seemed to be spending a lot of time wiping foamy white substances from her mouth....

Am I the only one amongst you dirty dirty people to clock this!?

Posted by: Odnon at July 31, 2009 2:58 PM

watch Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince online

http://megashare.info/watch.php?id=TVRRMg

Posted by: MegaMovies at August 11, 2009 9:25 AM

I feel really awful about this for some reason since I've always loved the HP books, but I hated that damn film. I went along with my sister (also a HP fan) and we both left enraged.

It's mental to get so angry about a film, but I found myself just saying WTF over and over again. - Its not the actors, they've come into there own by this stage, but the damn detail (or lack of) in the film pissed me off to the max.

I know its only a movie, and I should try and see the films as seperate from the books, but jebus, where in the name of god was book when they wrote the script? surely it could of been used for something... even as a damn paperweight.

I accept and am happy that its all getting a bit darker by now, and thats great, but we might as well kiss goodbye to the last 2 films for deathly hallows.

SPOILER (if u havent read the last book)

The whole premise of the Beadle book in DH was to let harry know about the three brothers, that was hecould figure out about the cloak, the stone and the wand. From the tael of the three brothers we know that the Elder wand will only work properly for the wizard (or witch) who wins it in a duel. Voldemort kills half a dozen people trying to get the wand to work properly for him, and in the end Harry lives because he had already won the wand as he had disarmed Malfoy, who in turn, had disarmed Dumbledore, who had gotten the wand from Grindelwald, who had taken it from Gregorovitch!

Where the fuck was the disarming in HBP?

Right, I'm calming down now, cause I'm aware that I sound like A) a right Potter nerd, and B) like I'm might end up firing up the Death machine on this issue and really going to town.

It was pure Rubarb.

Posted by: Semitoma at August 16, 2009 5:29 PM

I feel really awful about this for some reason since I've always loved the HP books, but I hated that damn film. I went along with my sister (also a HP fan) and we both left enraged.

It's mental to get so angry about a film, but I found myself just saying WTF over and over again. - Its not the actors, they've come into there own by this stage, but the damn detail (or lack of) in the film pissed me off to the max.

I know its only a movie, and I should try and see the films as seperate from the books, but jebus, where in the name of god was book when they wrote the script? surely it could of been used for something... even as a damn paperweight.

I accept and am happy that its all getting a bit darker by now, and thats great, but we might as well kiss goodbye to the last 2 films for deathly hallows.

SPOILER (if u havent read the last book)

The whole premise of the Beadle book in DH was to let harry learn about the three brothers, figure out about the cloak, the stone and the wand. From the tale of the three brothers we know that the Elder wand will only work properly for the wizard (or witch) who directly disarms, stuns or kills the previous owner.
Voldemort kills half a dozen people trying to get the wand to work properly for him, and in the end Harry managed to defeat Voldemort because he (Harry) had already won the wand when he disarmed Malfoy, who in turn, had disarmed Dumbledore, who had gotten the wand from Grindelwald, who had taken it from Gregorovitch!

Where the fuck was the disarming in HBP?

Right, I'm calming down now, cause I'm aware that I sound like A) a right Potter nerd, and B) like I'm might end up firing up the Death machine on this issue and really going to town.

It was pure Rubarb.

Posted by: Semitoma at August 16, 2009 5:33 PM