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They're Not Gonna Laugh at You

By Daniel Carlson | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (113)



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Funny People will go down in history as the moment when Judd Apatow, a writer-director who had so skillfully and wonderfully balanced comedy and drama in The 40-Year-Old Virgin and Knocked Up, fell victim to his own moralizing, created a maudlin drama without a single likeable character, and forgot that no matter how authentic a film feels, it’s still a film, and its purpose is to tell a story. Real life is dull, and rambling, and peppered with moments of interest that only begin to shape an arc when viewed in retrospect. The best filmmakers take those moments, that feeling of being trapped in the same existential dilemma facing us all, and weave them into a compelling, engaging, entertaining story. That’s what Apatow did so well with his first two features, marrying wackier aspects of blue comedy with increasingly self-aware and self-referential stories that guided his protagonists through the emotional changes in their lives. Those were serious movies disguised as “raunchy” comedies, pouncing on audiences with their guard down and setting themselves apart as some of the best American comedies in recent years. But Funny People is meandering when it should be pointed, cruel when it should be conciliatory, and most of all, empty when it should be revelatory. Apatow has proven that he can create watchable characters and then have them move believably through an epic change in their lives — no mean feat to do on film, let alone twice in a row — but his new film confuses trying to say something with actually saying it. There were good moments hiding in the idea of this film, long before it ever took on this lumbering life of its own, but we’ll never know what they could have been. All we know is that, once again, Apatow’s made a film about heartbreak, but this time, he’s the one doing the breaking.

George Simmons is a comedian in his 40s who came up in comedy clubs and shots on MTV before transitioning into mindless films he made just for the paychecks; the part is as perfectly tailored for Adam Sandler as possible, who started appearing in feature films in 1989, didn’t use a human-sounding voice on screen until 1998, and didn’t attempt any kind of dramatic edge until 2002. After being diagnosed with a form of leukemia, he tries to dive back into the world of stand-up, appearing at the Improv one night and accidentally bumping Ira Wright (Seth Rogen) down the lineup. Ira is a young comic still struggling to find his voice: He knows he can be funny, he just has trouble turning his ambition into content. Ira takes a few jabs at George in his set, George takes a liking to the young man, and before you know it, he’s hired him to write some material and serve as his assistant. If this sounds a little disjointed, it is; rather than flow organically, too many of the film’s plot points seem glued together as if Apatow wanted to talk about all of them but didn’t quite know how to make it work. The first act of the film is the clearest, when George begins to reexamine the life he’s led and what his fame has cost him — he’s exiled himself from his parents and sister, and the only woman he ever loved is long out of the picture — and tries to impart that knowledge to Ira, who’s so fired up and excited about his career path that George almost remembers what it is to be young and desirous of everything the world has to offer. George has Ira write material for a corporate gig they reach via private jet, and Rogen believably conveys Ira’s awe at being dropped into a higher life than he knew existed.

But after beginning to develop a legitimately interesting argument about the perils of selling out and how you go about recapturing the skill and fire of youth, Apatow moves off in another direction, not so much letting go of the burgeoning plot as letting it drift lazily away. Ira’s comedy chops improve as he spends time with George, but George uses him as a whipping boy more than anything else. George is also still hung up on Laura (Leslie Mann), the one good woman he ever spent time with and who left him 12 years earlier after tiring of his incessant cheating. Thus, the film’s central question becomes not about what kind of man George will become but whether he’ll hook back up with his ex, which needless to even say is a far more limiting problem. More importantly, though, is Apatow’s increasing addiction to tell the audience everything he knows instead of everything they need to know, meaning that the film is overlong and clunky, nervously shaking between stories and arcs without ever holding them together. George’s fight against his disease and pursuit of Laura are mutually exclusive in the script, each plot casually mentioning the other but never really connected. As a result, the entire film becomes trapped in what passes for an emotional hall of mirrors, as each of its increasingly isolating 146 minutes is spent on commenting on its own existence. The movie is about the movie, not the people in it.

All of which is a shame, because Apatow’s working with a talented cast and dealing with potentially gripping subject matter. Sandler, like all aging comics, really wants to be taken seriously, and he’s solid enough in the role of George that he earns more credence as a dramatic performer. Rogen is affable enough, downshifting from the arrogant goof of Knocked Up into a more nebbish one here, though that weakness of character makes him weirdly less endearing; this guy is at his best when he’s a caustic lead with a confusing soft side (cf. “Freaks and Geeks”), and this time around he’s a little lost. Similarly, Mann plays a more toned-down version of the energetic mother Apatow made her in Knocked Up, but by placing her in a troubled marriage, Apatow makes her less sympathetic. That’s not an inherent mistake, and in fact a sign that Apatow’s willing to work with genuinely darker and more complicated material than most comedic filmmakers, but the execution falters. Characters don’t have to be blameless to be likeable, but they do need to feel honest, like they adhere to the rules of a particular filmic universe. In that regard, the best of the lot is Clarke (Eric Bana), Laura’s doltish and mildly adulterous husband. He’s the only one to ever come close to realizing what it means to change, and his moment of contrition is the only real one in the film.

That’s the real difference between Funny People and Apatow’s earlier work: the hero’s ability to change. Viewed as a cycle, Apatow began with a film about coming of sexual maturity, then one about the trials of young adulthood, and he’s now added one about the reflections of middle age. But Andy Stitzer and Ben Stone evolved in their comedies, while George Simmons makes only the smallest movements toward something better than himself. Of course, a lot of this has to do with the fact that Apatow now seems determined to make dramas sprinkled with comedy instead of the beautiful hybrids he’d made before, and dramas are all about missing the opportunity that gets handed out freely in a comedy. But to rob George of that chance to reinvent himself is to deny him one of the things that makes him human, and that’s something Apatow’s never done before. There’s an old axiom that regular people laugh at jokes, but comedians just say, “That’s funny.” Apatow too often forsakes the former at the expense of the latter, creating a comedy that’s distinctly unfunny and treats humor as an object instead of a subject. Watching Funny People, the most common reaction I had was regret.

Daniel Carlson is the managing editor of Pajiba. You can visit his blog, Slowly Going Bald.









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Comments

It could be commentary on the life of stand-up comics and comedy entertainers. The guy has leukemia, which is not exactly the stuff of punchlines. Also, many comedians don't have 24-7 funny lives, as can be evidenced by the many comedians who died while struggling w/personal and chemical demons.

You "want" particular characters to change. Whether or not it coincides w/the artistic aim of the movie, you don't seem concerned with. Some people go through life never realizing any larger thing or ever becoming something better. Which is more real?

I think this is a more relevant basis of discussion than "Apatow didn't hit the points I wanted him to hit".

For the record, I don't like his movies.

Posted by: Recondite at July 31, 2009 6:05 PM

I was at a Q&A with Apatow and the cast and he said he specifically wanted to create a movie where the protagonist doesn't change. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. The problem with this film is that there is a perfectly good hour-and-a-half long movie trapped inside a two-and-a-half hour behemoth. It seriously felt like I was sitting through the longest comedy ever committed to film. The stuff at Leslie Mann's house drags on FOREVER.

Posted by: Jeff at July 31, 2009 6:14 PM

Wow. I never thought I'd see such a negative review for a Judd Apatow movie on Pajiba. Clearly the times are a-changin'.

Posted by: Andy at July 31, 2009 6:16 PM

I hadn't decided if I wanted to see this movie or just look for snippets on the internet... until I read this review. I'm just interested in watching the stand-up scenes... so Google search, here I come! (eventually)

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at July 31, 2009 6:17 PM

Well crap. I will of course still see it with friends, who will of course love the shit out of it and call it "the greatest movie evar!" and maybe if I'm lucky I will come out with a different opinion than Dan. Maybe.

Posted by: the_wakeful at July 31, 2009 6:17 PM

What Recondite said.

Posted by: L.O.V.E. at July 31, 2009 6:18 PM

Dan's just pissed that now that Seth has lost all that weight he can't get laid off the resemblance anymore...

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at July 31, 2009 6:23 PM

I hate when this trailer comes on my TV... it's just not funny... there I said it... I do not like ANY of his movies in fact... I've tried... just don't like em.

Posted by: Tammers at July 31, 2009 6:26 PM

Definite step up from Knocked Up in that it doesn't drag when it's not being funny. It's awesome, I liked it.

Posted by: Melanie at July 31, 2009 6:29 PM

Wait, I'm sorry, did I just read a review for a comedy and it made me depressed?
What the fuck?
My life is depressing, why the hell would I want to read a depressing review?
Morton makes me feel like I'm in a college film studies course again...and I don't mind that.
Dustin makes me happy when he writes pissed off reviews.
Most of the other reviews I wait for the funny shit to start flying.
You depressed me.
I don't like you anymore.


By the way...fuck Apatow.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at July 31, 2009 6:33 PM

Aside from the humour, I like Apatow's movies mostly because I can relate to the characters, their situations and their revalations. After reading the review, I'm not sure that I would have that connection with this one.

Posted by: admin at July 31, 2009 6:34 PM

I like Apatow's movies mostly because I can relate to the characters.
admin
You're a 40 year old virgin? Or the friend that goes in the bathroom and fucks her?
You're an unattractive white guy who hooked up with a hot chick during a one night stand and got her pregnant?
Who are you? I don't even know you anymore.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at July 31, 2009 6:43 PM

Some of this I agree with, but I want to touch on seeing George's character change:

There was a point in the film where I thought the same thing-- why hasn't his character changed? But then I saw what Judd did and I believe intended...

There was a particular shot towards end of the film with George lying in his dark bedroom with teary eyes...just like the beginning of the film (no change) showing that George regressed after he found out he was better but still couldn't get the girl...
From seeing this, I got the message of Live your life each moment like it's your last because somethings can't be relived...

he shouldn't have let her go the first time years ago, sometimes you don't get to change the things you want in life...

Also, Ira had a great line too to show this message towards the end of the film: "Now, I have to start all over again..."

It's like the movie was a cycle, as you said, the characters started to arc and then it circled back to where they started (Ira getting closer and closer to fame and then getting fired and having to start from the bottom again, but he enjoyed his ride... and George realizing he needs to seize the day and finding out that some things are too late which is leaving him depressed)

I think Judd did this on purpose...

Sorry if my thoughts are scattered, I can't gather my ideas :)

Posted by: qwerty at July 31, 2009 6:44 PM

DeistBrawler, I didn't say I related to the main characters in Apatow's movies. I'm a mashup of all of them. But each of them has something that I connect with really closely. I'll admit that I've only seen the trailers and read Dan's review, but, this one just doesn't interest me at all.

I'm an enigma, wrapped in bacon and stuffed in a toque.

Posted by: admin at July 31, 2009 6:56 PM

Jeff already stole my point, and it's a very valid one, I think. I like the honesty in the idea that a character doesn't necessarily improve after a major event like this. I know people that have been through so much and by now should have learned so many leasons, but they don't change. They just stay the same and feel sorry for themselves. I think that provides a surprising level of truth for a modern comedy.

That said, this was a very compelling and thoughtful review, and I praise you for your writing ability.

I haven't seen the movie yet, but when I do, I'll comment again.

Posted by: Christian H. at July 31, 2009 7:02 PM

Regardless of the number of trailers, I don't have any interest in this movie.

Maybe it's that deep down we know the clowns are crying on the inside. But dammit, you wanted to be a clown? So be a clown and make me laugh till I choke on my Raisinettes!!

Posted by: Fredo at July 31, 2009 7:30 PM

I'm going to see this movie tonight despite the fact that it has two of the five least amusing "funny people" working in the business today. I hear that these people are supposed to be hilarious and I just don't understand how they keep getting work. The list goes as such.

5. Judah Friedlander - Yeah, you wear stupid hats, you are the Carrot Top of our generation.

4. Jack Black - Same old shit in every film, he's wild, he's a rocker, he's on the edge, he's......fat. For fucks sake, you have enough money, hire some good writers.

3. Aziz Ansari - I haven't seen much of the Human Giant stuff because he was so pisspoor on Scrubs and Parks and Recreation. To be so annoying that I won't look at Rashida Jones for 30 minutes a week is the worst thing I can conceive. And these Raaaaaandy bits I've seen on FOD, I don't get it. If Apatow is serious about making a film about him, and it's not straight to DVD, it will be a giant misstep.

2. Jonah Hill - Except for his bit buying the boots in 40 Year Old Virgin and one line in Knocked Up, hasn't made me laugh once. Congratulations, you were funny for 52 seconds in your whole life. It's the buildup over this load. It started when I watched the commentary for 40 Year Old Virgin. They are all talking and he walks in, the place goes apeshit "oh, now it's going to be really funny, Jonah's here" whereupon the next 45 minutes he didn't say one funny thing. He's all fat and no cattle. Now he's getting millions of dollars for no Godly reason for movie ideas and scripts while people like Patton Oswalt dominate the comedic landscape and get nothing.

1. Ben Stiller - What can we say that hasn't been said about him? He's been mailing in his performances since his 4th Grade pageant. Keep making the same movie where you get berated and hit and beat up or whatever. I haven't seen any of his films besides Tropic Thunder since....damn, I can't remember, they all suck that much. Just because Mommy and Daddy are hilarious doesn't mean you are. Ha Ha, your mom is funnier than your are.

I almost put Ed Helms on this list, but since he is part of the hipster trifecta that is The Hangover, The Office and The Daily Show, I felt I may be eviscerated. He was good in the Hangover, however and there is hope, but i'm just not a fan of uncomfortable comedy.

Remember when people had to be actually funny to be called comedians? Pryor, Carlin, Foxx (Redd Foxx, not Jamie, that pretentious douchebag. Jamie Foxx is so self centered when he masturbates, he thinks about himself masturbating). Now there are shit sandwiches like these guys and Mencia and it's just sad. There is some hope as long as people like Patton Oswalt, Dave Attell and Zach Galifinakis are on the scene, we will be able to laugh.

We can just say no to these losers. Don't let the Hollywood machine tell us they are funny when they are clearly not. Sorry this was so long, but it's a pet peeve of mine.

Posted by: Rubble44 at July 31, 2009 7:33 PM

In the past month I have seen Knocked Up, Pineapple Express, and Zack and Miri Make a Porno and I don't ever want to see Seth Rogen EVER AGAIN!

How people find him funny/charismatic/charming is beyond me. Also, the man has the WORST laugh in the world.

Posted by: Agent Scully at July 31, 2009 7:35 PM

I dunno, the movie seemed really self-indulgent to me, but I feel like if someone would have just taken away final cut from Apatow and brought it down to 110 minutes, this could have been really great. I loved the dickhole mentor/mentee relationship between Sandler and Rogen, and it was nice to be reminded that Adam Sandler can actually act when he wants to.

I do agree that the cancer/girl that got away plotlines could have been connected better; the whole realization that your miserable, so you go back to where you were happy and try to get it back was a little to disjointed to really be effective, and the cameos distracted from what where some genuinely honest moments. But even as flawed as it was, it was still one of the best movies I've seen so far this summer.

Posted by: Marra at July 31, 2009 7:53 PM

yeah, but, but... jonah hill's gonna do that line about harry potter getting his phD in wizardry. it'l be hil-ar-i-ous, guy.

sacks.

Posted by: gp at July 31, 2009 7:56 PM

Thanks Rubble44. It can't be said often enough. You're exactly right about Black and the dude with the hat, and, yikes is Ben Stiller a load of nothing.

But I can't understand how anyone on the planet can stand to see even one more frame of Adam Sandler's hopeless mug. Enough already with the little boy mumbling and the laziest movies of the last twenty years. Go away, Sandler. I mean it. And take Seth Rogen with you.

Posted by: Kikuchiyo at July 31, 2009 8:01 PM

qwerty's analysis is the most accurate so far, including the original review.

it's understandable to say "i wanted a comedy and it wasn't funny (or funny enough) for me." makes sense, save your money.

i went in with low expectations (not a sandler fan) and thought it was MUCH better than the trailers hint at.

Adam Sandler doesn't get to play the childish, everyone loves how sweet & cute he is, role he has played in EVERY MOVIE HE'S EVER BEEN IN (yes, including Spanglish). it was GREAT to see him play basically a self-centered guy who is likely too shallow to change,and who doesn't get what he wants because of junior-high level charm.

if you like the actors who star in this, you'll like it. if you never thought much of Sandler before (like me) and enjoy a movie that realistically conveying that even near-death experiences can't always change someone. if you enjoy watching a movie where the main guy doesn't just end up with the main girl because that's how movie plots go, you may like it even more.

a movie doesn't have to have a character you find "likeable" in order to like the movie.


p.s. - Eminem is in the movie and nails his part perfectly. he acts exactly like you'd expect the creator of his latest album, Relapse, would act. quite funny, too.

Posted by: michael at July 31, 2009 8:01 PM

WORD, Agent Scully! He is so overexposed right now I'm going to need a palette cleanser of five Ryan Reynolds movies before I can watch this.

Posted by: Lola at July 31, 2009 8:34 PM

Ahhh, the hipster backlash. When Rogen was on stuff nobody saw like "Freaks And Geeks" and "Undeclared", he was a gem. Our gem.

Now that flyover states have made him millions, he's an overexposed douchebag who has never been funny, never will be funny, and should kill himself now.

The hipster backlash can be previously seen with Will Ferrell, Ben Stiller, Kevin Smith, Quentin Tarantino as well as everyone ever. Barring Bruce Campbell.

Stay tuned three years from now for a front-row seat to the backlashes of Robert Downey Jr, Ryan Reynolds, and Barack Obama.

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at July 31, 2009 8:41 PM

That is bullshit, Dan. Anyone who has even heard of Apatow knew what to expect in advanced. Everyone who doesn't like the film already knew it long before it came out, but even if you hate it, at least it's an actual movie.

The other films in my theater don't even qualify as films, except Harry Potter. Look at what's in my theater; Transformers, The Ugly Truth, G-Force, the last one isn't even a movie title, it sounds like a ride at the state fair. It's probably why I've been so lenient on this film, but still, it's at least a movie.

Posted by: George at July 31, 2009 8:49 PM

You're a 40 year old virgin?

I'm 27, but yeah, I related to that part. Painfully.

The hipster backlash can be previously seen with Will Ferrell, Ben Stiller, Kevin Smith, Quentin Tarantino as well as everyone ever. Barring Bruce Campbell.

That is because Bruce Campbell is still fairly indie and low-profile. If he had a crazy hit movie and got on the Tonight Show, folks would be hating on him too.

I don't know; I never really hated Sandler. His movies, yes. But the guy? No. Same with a lot of the people who have backlashes; if I liked them before, I still tend to like them after, regardless of what mistakes they make. I am loyal like that.

I thought his problem was like a lot of super-popular comedians: they get fame with a certain schtick, and then they can't progress past that point without losing it all. So they have to do the clowning around to pay the bills, while tapping away with their Punchdrunk Loves and Eternal Sunshines, but they can never fully break free.

So I may still see this film. Maybe not in theaters (I have no new-movie money), but eventually. I expect that it would be a slice-of-life look at a Sandler-like guy, with tremendous success at the expense of personal growth or credibility, and what his choices meant for him and those around him. If that is so, I may just enjoy it.

Posted by: Vermillion at July 31, 2009 9:06 PM

it's got jason schwartzman. i go.

Posted by: maxpurr9 at July 31, 2009 9:08 PM

One thing this movie reminded me of, oddly enough, was the movie version of Watchmen. Not for everyone, probably too faithful to its premise, but it's still very good, and would have been ruined in the hands of anyone else.

That comparison also works with the legendary Rolling Stones album, Exile on Main St., but I'll wait awhile, and let the movie sink in before I put it up that high. Only time will tell.

Posted by: George at July 31, 2009 9:21 PM

Am I the only one who is entirely in love with the documentary about Aziz Ansari's character Raaaaaaaandy (eight a's)?
He has a DJ, people. A DJ! And he cares about Darfur. And taaaatties! Everything about him is full of win.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 31, 2009 9:30 PM

are you drunk, rhyme?

you sound drunk.


(wanna get high?)

Posted by: gp at July 31, 2009 9:42 PM

I laughed in this film, but I didn't take a lot out of it.

The problem I have with films that are set in Hollywood is it's hard to become immersed. While Adam Sandler is playing George Simmons, a guy a lot like him but different, he's paling around with Ray Romano and Paul Riser, playing themselves. It became disjointed and made it hard for me to believe this was George Simmons and not Adam Sandler and who else the other characters were.

While funny, I don't think I'll watch it again.

I will give Apatow credit for finally using Warren Zevon's Keep Me In Your Heart For a While, one of my favorite songs about death and farewell, in a movie. I had a small moment in the theater when it started playing and seeing Sandler's reaction.

Posted by: Jim at July 31, 2009 9:42 PM

This review is pretty much the perfect counterpoint to my argument against Dunstin's review of The Collector. This was a mature, intelligent accounting of what the reviewer percieved to be the moviemakers' mistakes, as opposed to a personal assault on the moviemakers themselves. It contained enough information about the film itself so that, despite the overall view of the reviewer, someone could read the review itself and still say "Hey - Daniel may not have liked that film, but considering what he says, and from what I know about his tastes from his other reviews, there's still a chance I might still want to give it a whirl, and that I may enjoy the film regardless".

I enjoy snark in my movie criticism, but not when it gets in the way of the actual criticism.

Posted by: Dill The Devil at July 31, 2009 9:49 PM

Am I the only one who is entirely in love with the documentary about Aziz Ansari's character Raaaaaaaandy (eight a's)?
He has a DJ, people. A DJ! And he cares about Darfur. And taaaatties! Everything about him is full of win.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 31, 2009 9:30 PM

Man, that was hilarious. He was such a douchester in that documentary, I broke ribs laughing.

Posted by: George at July 31, 2009 9:57 PM

You're an unattractive white guy who hooked up with a hot chick during a one night stand and got her pregnant?

How else do you think he got his wife?

Posted by: SaBrina at July 31, 2009 10:07 PM

@qwerty:

How 'bout posting "Spoiler Alert!" next time? You ruined the whole fucking movie for me, asshole!

Posted by: growler at July 31, 2009 10:43 PM

Posted by: Vermillion at July 31, 2009 9:06 PM

You're the same age as me and a virgin? Where do you live? I can find someone to rectify that. Unless its for religious purposes. In that case...I can't help you.

Posted by: Deistbrawler at July 31, 2009 11:02 PM

Apatow is incredibly overrated as both a writer and a director. He has absolutely no control over his own work and seemingly can't edit anything to save his life. 140+ minutes? For this? Seriously, if he cuts all of his films down to 1:40 and maybe he'd be on to something.

The sad thing is, Hollywood's in love with the guy and nearly all new comedies have to go through him somehow (look how many like minded films he's produced). I hope this crapfest will be the beginning of the end of his reign.

Posted by: B-Unit at July 31, 2009 11:13 PM

Rubble44...fuck you. Seriously, dude. I don't know what to say. Okay, I don't think Ben Stilleer is funny either. But seriously, your sense of humor is fucked if you don't think Judah Friedlander is funny on 30 Rock. Have you seen the episode where he's gay for the coffee guy, or when they parodied Amadeus in that episode about the porn videogame? He's hilarious in those.

Jack Black is obviously not for everyone, and it's become fashionable to hate on him, but seriously, classic Tenacious D is hilarious, Kung Fu Panda was a gem, and he was surprisingly good in The Holiday. So lay off.

Aziz Ansari is the best part about Parks and Recreation by far, and he was hilarious on Scrubs. He plays a douchebag really well, but that's just it, it's a character. The Randy bits from Funny People (at least the ones I've seen) are hysterical from beginning to end. He's basically playing a parody of dick comedians like Dane Cook. How you can't get that is beyond me.

Jonah Hill plays his part perfectly. I've never seen him in a movie and not found him funny. He killed in Superbad.

And what the fuck? In what way is The Hangover, which is basically the ultimate dude movie for people who are sick of dude movies and is designed for frat boys, a part of your so-called "hipster trifecta"??? That makes NO SENSE! AT ALL! And The Daily Show isn't a hipster show, it's a political show, made to satirize politicians and promote common sense. Left-leaning? Yes. Made for hipsters? Absolutely not. I'd say The Office isn't a hipster comedy either, at all, but I seriously don't feel like explaining why awkward humor transcends being hip, as evidenced by its high ratings and critical appeal.

Basically, you don't like people that are involved in projects that other people like, mostly because you don't "get it." Well, you know what? That doesn't mean that they aren't funny. It means that you have a shitty sense of humor.

Posted by: Christian H. at July 31, 2009 11:38 PM

Why yes, gp I was a little drunk. And in fact, I would love to get high.
And YES CHRISTIAN H.! Kung Fu Panda was roughly 12 times better than what I expected from it.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at July 31, 2009 11:41 PM

You know what? I vote that officially retire the term "hipster". No one in this thread uses it correctly. Fuck it. It's dead. You didn't know how to take care of it, and you killed it. Happy people? God damn it, I'm sick of that shit.

Posted by: Christian H. at July 31, 2009 11:59 PM

@qwerty

Fucking spoiler alert. Seriously. It's not much to ask on a god damn film review website.

Shit.

Posted by: Queen Lena at August 1, 2009 1:04 AM

i will see this film even though i felt that
apatow's first two efforts were vastly
overrated. when will apatow stop casting this
seth rogen, a one-trick pony if ever there
was one?

Posted by: snake at August 1, 2009 1:12 AM

Gorgeously written review, Dan - I feel like I say that just about every week, but hey, I calls it like I sees it.

And I need to pile on qwerty here too - this is not a thread for discussion of the major plot points in the film, dude. It just came out today - odds are good that most of us haven't seen it yet. Please have some courtesy and put a big ol' *SPOILER ALERT* at the beginning of your post next time.

Posted by: Another Jen at August 1, 2009 2:00 AM

How else do you think he got his wife?

Well played.

You know what? I vote that officially retire the term "hipster". No one in this thread uses it correctly. Fuck it. It's dead. You didn't know how to take care of it, and you killed it. Happy people? God damn it, I'm sick of that shit.

Fuck you, Hipster.

Posted by: admin at August 1, 2009 2:03 AM

Posted by: Geetch at August 1, 2009 2:17 AM

See, Geetch gets it. Those people are hipsters. And people like admin like to throw around buzzwords and call people words they don't even know how to define. So, basically, y'all can suck it from tip to base and let the hairs tickle your sinuses.

Posted by: Christian H. at August 1, 2009 2:30 AM

This is usually a no win situation to respond to someone who doesn't like what you have to say. But when faced with such an eloquent set of observations, I felt obligated to just drop a few lines in response.

Christian H,

Upon further review, taking into consideration the Amadeus episode of 30 Rock and his role as Toby Radloff in American Splendor, I feel compelled to remove Judah Friedlander from this list. I should have gone with my first instinct and put Dan Fogler. So let the record show I was mistaken about that one.

The other four, no, I feel pretty good still about those. I agree that Jack Black has hope and movies like Margot at the Wedding show that he has the ability to branch out. But if he is going to play the same role over and over again, be he a caveman, school teacher or cartoon animal, then he is not going to get dollar one of my money. And the Tenacious D movie was a pile of steaming dogshit and I want my money back for it.

As for Aziz Ansari, according to you because he is playing a douchebag, I'm supposed to like him because it's a character? But what if I don't like the fucking character he is playing. By your rationale, I should like everyone's performances because, after all, they are just characters. He's annoying to me and I don't have to like it one bit. I've seen enough real life people in L.A. that act like Raaaaandy and I don't feel the need to celebrate his certain brand of douchebaggery. My brother asks me to hold off judgment until I watch Human Giant, but for now he's still overrated until further study is done.

I saw Funny People tonight. Jonah Hill made me laugh two times. He's not in it that much, so it's a good ratio for him. He still has miles to go in my book. But again, just my opinion.

As for the hipster trifecta comment. OK, you got me dead to rights. I don't know what I was going for on that. I am a fan of all three shows, especially The Office. My verbiage was incorrect and I feel humbled. Therefore, I bow down to your wisdom on that, arbiter of all that is cool in the middle of fucking nowhere.

What it all comes down to is we just have to agree to disagree. I'm sorry that my opinion angered you so much. We're not going to like the same things. For example, it took me all of 30 seconds to know that your band sucks. You and your tens of fans may not agree with me. I'm sure that you are King Shit when you are playing those fish frys in Wayzata so I must have shitty taste in music along with shitty taste in comedy.

Anyway, I welcome your dialogue and am sure that it will be as thought provoking and hilarious as the other posts you have made on here.

Fuck you too,

Rubble44

Posted by: Rubble44 at August 1, 2009 3:09 AM

In defense of Christian H., Rubble44, I took some time to listen to Christian's band and I must protest - I feel very strongly that they have a bright future scoring independent Turkish films, or one of those rough-and-tough bulldyke lesbian pornos where the women look, amazingly enough, like Judah Friedlander. I think you owe Christian an apology, Rubble.

Posted by: damnthisla at August 1, 2009 3:32 AM

Oh, Christian, I checked out the Downtown Owl website. My only gripe is that you guys don't list the instruments you play. What are you; bass, rhythm guitar, vocals, drums, or lead guitar? And I know that you use more instruments than that in your band, but what are the steady instruments?

Posted by: George at August 1, 2009 4:17 AM

Ahhh, the hipster backlash.

I think someone should make t-shirts that read:

Looking forward
--------------------->
to the backlash

Because hipsters are nullified if you're already being ironic. Or at least they're less likely to deride you if you're anticipating their derision.

Right?

Posted by: Lauren at August 1, 2009 4:21 AM

Noooooooooooo!

It's supposed to look like this:

Looking forward
-------------->
to the backlash

Goddamn HTML eating my arrows. You need both of them for full hypothetical t-shirt slogan enjoyment.

Posted by: Lauren at August 1, 2009 4:24 AM

So, basically, y'all can suck it from tip to base and let the hairs tickle your sinuses.

Aw, see, I was just having a little fun wit ya Christian.

But really, you should trim that shit. Made me sneeze.

Posted by: admin at August 1, 2009 4:24 AM

TWO ARROWS! There's supposed to be . . . one underneath . . . going the other . . .

fuckit. bedtime.

Posted by: Lauren at August 1, 2009 4:26 AM

Totally off-topic:

Okay, that fucking Hardee's ad has got to go. Those full-page ads before you can see the site piss me off to no end. It's also a sexist piece of trash.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at August 1, 2009 9:33 AM

Seriously. Knock it the fuck off. Only Vegas was slightly better, but just as annoying.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at August 1, 2009 9:35 AM

Break Media sucks. And the Pajiba staff rims.

Posted by: idiosynchronic at August 1, 2009 9:37 AM

I was at a Q&A with Apatow and the cast and he said he specifically wanted to create a movie where the protagonist doesn't change. I don't think there's anything wrong with that.
I see what you mean; you can't have every film include the same basic, formulaic arc. Some people don't change. Ira even comments on how George is "the only person who doesn't learn from his near-death experience" (here's your brick back, Judd).
But Dan explains it perfectly; "to rob George of that chance to reinvent himself is to deny him one of the things that makes him human".
It's true, many movies choose to be "edgy" by not choosing the "happy ending" route, and by leaving things unresolved. And sometimes, in real life, the jerk who had the perfect opportunity to change remains a jerk. I get it, Apatow, and it is almost a noble quest. But I left the theater without feeling much or any remorse for Simmons. He was just another Hollywood douchebag who couldn't quit sucking the teat and didn't have the balls to stand up and be a better man. And I spent what felt like three hours desperately waiting to like him, but to no avail.

I never thought I would say this, but the Marshall Mathers cameo was my favorite part.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at August 1, 2009 9:43 AM

...and the great Baldini speaketh...Thank you Dan for delivering a commentary that was as monotonous and utterly devoid of entertainment as the movie. The only verve in Dan is the special way he gets his hair follicles to dance in the breeze as they leave his scalp.

As much as I’d love to be a contrary f*cktard as I’ve been called here in the past by the posse of sycophant f*cktards that populate this neck of the woods, I am stunned to find many of you agreeing with me on the need for the Apatow crew to…simply…go…away… I know exactly when a douche like Apatow has moved past his expiration date: When he gets a bouquet of puff pieces tossed in his direction from the LA Times Calendar section in advance of his “film” ‘s premiere (Jesus: David Lean made films. Judd Apatow makes movies!).

Seth Rogen is our generation’s Dom Deluise without the great beard. I see a great future for Rogen: Hosting his own cooking show on the Food Channel and laughing maniacally at his own unfunny bits. Seth Rogen had a “moment” in time as did Jonah Hill and certain other members of the Apatow crew whose names I literally don’t know and couldn’t care less if I ever knew.

As for Apatow: Here’s your future buddy – You and your wife divorce (Leslie Mann absolutely knocked it out of the park in Knocked Up but will continue her regression into oblivion which will become a sticking point between the spouses. For this dynamic I give you: Woody and Mia; Clint and Sondra; Branagh & Thompson…The guy who wrote that other unfunny crap – about the guy who loved wine…not remembering and too damn lazy to check out IMDB.).

Here’s the thing folks: There are actually genuinely funny people out there who can deliver the goods on funny while also giving you just a hint of humanity that makes you care about the character and for that I give you….Kevin James. Look at what he did in Paul Blart and contrast that with the heavy handed doucheness of Seth Rogen’s ‘Observe & Report’. Look at what a Kevin James did for Adam Sandler in “I Now Pronounce You…” – he achieved the seemingly impossible: Made Adam Sandler funny again in an endearingly sweet and funny movie…

There’s not one – NOT ONE – member of the Apatow crew that has that quality. Not…a…one. They are simply absent a soul when it comes to (their) comedy.

Posted by: The Real Joe at August 1, 2009 11:34 AM

Aw, poor Lauren. It was still funny.

And I'm gonna have to cut in here and defend Jonah Hill. I think he's hilarious, and he was fantastic in Superbad. And his whole thing with his balls talking to his dick? That was the funniest joke in the movie for me.

Spoiler Alert

Patty O'Green, I think I can get why people have no sympathy for George Simmons, but I think the final scene where he apologizes to Ira in the deli and had written some jokes for him redeemed him somewhat. It was the first time we saw him do something for someone else that was selfless; George didn't turn into Mother Theresa, but he did grow a little bit. I mean, he's probably still a dick, but at least now he has a real friend who's willing to call him on his shit.

Posted by: Marra at August 1, 2009 11:39 AM

idiosynchronic:

Firefox + Adblock Plus + Flashblock = no annoying/sexist advertisements.

Also helps the pages load faster.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at August 1, 2009 11:45 AM

There are actually genuinely funny people out there who can deliver the goods on funny while also giving you just a hint of humanity that makes you care about the character and for that I give you….Kevin James. Look at what he did in Paul Blart and contrast that with the heavy handed doucheness of Seth Rogen’s ‘Observe & Report’.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh, oh, omigod, omigod, oh my abs hurt....hahahahahahahahaha. Ha. Ha. Oh Real Joe, you make me laugh.

Posted by: Marra at August 1, 2009 11:48 AM

Posted by: The Real Joe at August 1, 2009 11:34 AM

Yeah, any and all serious consideration for your comments was done with that ridiculous rant over an Alan Thicke joke (not even a good one). And the creepy obsession wit Dan's hair.

But to use the one and only Captain Insano as an INSULT, beard or no beard (especially since no-beard Dom was during his Mel Brooks phase)? Oh that just takes the freaking cake.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 1, 2009 12:33 PM

Verm - Bite me you douche.

How do I argue with someone who's using Bruce Campbell as a reference point?

Verm - Are you a secret baldy? Be proud man: Wear your baldness big and bold like another famous Bruce (I'll leave it to you with your absolutely superior knowledge of film to figure out who...)

P.S. - Have I told you lately how much of a douche you are...? You are pathetic man. Get a life.

Posted by: The Real Joe at August 1, 2009 1:17 PM

Fascinating.

Not only does he rush a post minutes after mine, with an incorrect reference to a previous comment, he still manages to make it about hair and baldness.

It is like watching a frog puff up its body as its main line of defense.

Absolutely fascinating.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 1, 2009 1:34 PM

Rubble44- You know, limp dick, it takes a great and wise man, a modern-day Aristotle if you will, to make fun of someone's band while posting no link to a band, blog, website or social networking page of their own. I guess we will all have to assume that the man behind such wit as "hipster trifecta" looks like Ryan Reynolds, sings like Jeff Buckley, and has drawers of short stories like JD Salinger.

You are just an angry dude, you know that? It's like you made a list of everyone popular and shit all over it. Even Ed Helms you don't like. Fuck me, what the hell has he done? Played straight men? You don't like the way he supports the main characters, be they Jon Stewart, Steve Carrell or your boy Zach Galifuckyoutoo?

And listen, I've been down with Zach G since his short-lived vh1 show and his half-hour Comedy Central special. Of course, you probably were down with him ten years before that. And Dave Attell is within the top three standups working today. But Patton Oswalt? Not funny.

That's right, elitist cocksmoke. Not funny. Insightful? Sure. Interesting? No doubt. Whip smart? Of course. Not funny. Could there be any easier targets than middle America? All that's missing from his infamous KFC Bowl rant is a "what's the deal with...".

In closing, just calm down. Close your eyes, plug your ears, don't go out (that last one shouldn't be hard for you) and pray we return for the days of mainstream comedies starring Dave Attell and Patton Oswalt. Oh, wait...

Damn it.

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at August 1, 2009 2:04 PM

The Real Joe- You have a creepy hair fetish. That's unfortunate. With modern day medicine, dudes can grow hair. You can't grow smart. Just keep that little tidbit under that brain, which is itself under a gorgeous, flowing long mane of beautiful blond hair.

Freak.

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at August 1, 2009 2:08 PM

Whoa there M3. I was all ready to jump on your bandwagon until you shot down Patton. Have you seen The Comedian's of Comedy? Patton, Posehn, AND y'boy Galiafinakis. Give Patton a chance, open your heart to him and he will fill you chock full o' man-who-looks-like-a-lesbian goodness. Or find his appearances on Conan. When he talks about the Oldest Woman to ever give birth it would take a heart of stone and a funnybone of steel to resist.
And clearly "The Real Joe" is a genius. He's a brilliant parody of a troll. It's probably Skitz and he's laughing his ass off.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 2:26 PM

O. Rhyme-

You know, I actually really like Patton more for his writing and pop-culture knowledge. Don't you think he could be THE greatest film critic or pop-culture critic? Certainly more educated than Klosterman, although I'm not even sure Patton went to college. Hell, he works for studios who hire him just for his opinions and knowledge. Presumably not the studios that makes "Transformers" or "G.I. Joe".

I did chuckle at his bit about liquor billboards in LA. But for the most part, I just don't find him "LOL"-worthy. Same thing with David Cross. I'm a fan of his acting/sketch-work, I can listen to his cds and agree with a lot of what he says, but I'm not guffawing like I would with my personal favorite Chris Rock.

You know who's really underrated? Adam Carolla. I know a lot of people probably write him off after "The Man Show", but listen to his podcasts. They're actually really freaking insightful. He even admits to David Cross that Cross is seen as a thinking man's comedian while he himself is dismissed as the jackass.

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at August 1, 2009 2:46 PM

I see what you're saying, and I understand how you could see it that way, I definitely agree about David Cross in what I've seen of his stand-up. Klostermann really doesn't do it for me either.
I might just have to check out Carolla, I do love a good podcast.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 3:05 PM

MMM,

Nah, I'm not bitter. I'm just a guy, a normal guy who came home last night after a round of drinks and read that someone told me to go fuck myself. If you look back at my posts over the last couple years, I have never personally attacked another poster on here and in a moment of weakness, I took an easy shot at someone I don't know. So Christian, even though you didn't like my shit, I should have known better and am sorry for taking a cheap shot.

As for you, you make some valid points, albeit in a hostile way. So, I will address a couple and then hopefully put this adventure into the angry side of Pajiba behind me.

1. Elitist cocksmoke? That sounds just as bad as hipster trifecta, a quote that I already cited was lame on my part. Just cause two words can be put together doesn't mean they make sense.

2. I am a huge fan of the Adam Carolla podcasts, I have been a fan of his for a long time, since Mr. Bircham on KROQ, so at least on this we can find common ground.

3. Chris Rock is hilarious and whenever Kill the Messenger is on, I catch a couple minutes of it and Bigger and Blacker is the best stand up since Pryor was on the Sunset Strip. But I can't believe you dismiss Patton Oswalt so out of hand. When he talks about going to Black Angus or like Optimus said, the Miracle of Childbirth, it's some of the funniest stuff out there, miles ahead of the Mencia's and Cook's. All I can say is he has another DVD/CD coming out in a couple weeks and I suggest you give it another shot.

Now you can all go back to piling on the guy who said Paul Blart was good. :)

Posted by: Rubble44 at August 1, 2009 3:31 PM

The Real Joe as a parody of a troll, "his" comments actually penned by Skitz... dear Godtopus.
I think that Optimus may have just unraveled the conspiracy of the decade.

Posted by: Spender at August 1, 2009 3:43 PM

I think that Optimus may have just unraveled the conspiracy of the decade.

He posted back and to the left....back...and to the left....

Posted by: Vermillion at August 1, 2009 4:57 PM

O. Rhyme-

Check out the Aceman's podcasts and get back to me. He's interviewed Kimmel, 2/3 of "Human Giant" (which is awesome), Cross, Odenkirk, James Gunn, McHale amongst others I'm likely forgetting. Oh! He interviewed fucking Coppola!

Why that guy doesn't have a huge career is a shame. He's so incredibly smart, critical of mass media and "idiot Americans" without being smug, smarmy or condescending, which many people fail at (Penn, Moore, Green Day, almost everyone). He even makes critically acclaimed comedians bust a gut: try to "acquire" the Loveline with Patton and Posehn online and listen to them interact with Carolla. He's so much more than the "Man Show".

Posted by: Midnight Monkey Madness at August 1, 2009 5:09 PM

He calls himself "The Aceman"? I really wish you hadn't told me that. Now I worry if he's really my style.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 5:48 PM

The funniest thing that Carolla ever did was on his show when he and Norm McDonald broke down two Kenny Rogers's songs Ruby and Coward of the County. I have the whole stream on my I Tunes, but don't know how to put it on here. Here are the You Tube versions, for some reason broken down into three parts.

1. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBPxjbtXaik

2. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQ9fPnzcMHk

3. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yUMkB_7Hts

That is comedic gold.

Posted by: Rubble44 at August 1, 2009 6:22 PM

Norm really is the greatest.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 7:01 PM

Looking Forward
----------------------->
to the backlash

I'd just test it in the preview thing. Whoever put that in deserves to be cannonized in Godtopus's name.

Posted by: George at August 1, 2009 7:09 PM

I did test it . . . both arrows showed up in the preview, both times. On posting, the arrow under "backlash" just . . . disappears. Aw well, you're laughing with me, right?


RIGHT?

Posted by: Lauren at August 1, 2009 7:17 PM

Now that this thread has been utterly derailed, let's use it to play nice all weekend.
HIJACK TIME!

Posted by: Spender at August 1, 2009 9:14 PM

It's usually bucdaddy's role to derail these things after a few days. Question: Does anyone here not remember him before the whole commadaddy thing? I just considered that some folks may have never known him before the switch. The joke has gone on for a while now.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 9:43 PM

Aw, Spender, I can't hang around and hijack . . I have dinner plans*! And a movie. So I'm all booked up. Have fun!

By "dinner", I mean a grilled sandwich. And by "plans", I mean dancing around the kitchen, singing

Gimme gimme (cheese)
Gimme gimme (cheese)

Posted by: Lauren at August 1, 2009 10:07 PM

I'm an unaware of the joke. Enlighten us, OR.

I believe your hijack is proving successful, Spender! Yay!

(uh oh, is that bad luck?)

Posted by: Eyvi at August 1, 2009 10:10 PM

Well it came from a beautifully crafted thread about grammar and buc was particularly masterful that day. I believe Figgy coined him King of Commas.

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 10:21 PM

I'm not seeing commadaddy on the weekends much, so I acted a bit presumptively... but, wow, I was just tired of people being really pissy toward one another. Jeez, I'm hoping that Christian H. hasn't had an aneurysm.
And, yeah, I do remember bucdaddy from the old name... but the whole TCFKAB thing was pretty cool.

Posted by: Spender at August 1, 2009 10:22 PM

*frantically waves hand*

Down here! Look down here! I'm at the bottom of this tiger trap I call a workplace, and ... well, can someone toss me a rope?

Ah, thanks. Let me just blowtorch the leeches off ... much better now.

OK, thanks for the h/t. The backstory: Dustin and I had a go-round about weekend hijacks and I agreed to abide by his suggestion that it was OK to jack an existing thread as long as it was one of his. His reasoning was that the other staffers and semi-staffers and people who just have something they want to say and have put time and effort into a serious post deserve to have their posts taken (relatively) seriously, and for us to try to stick more or less to the subject at hand on those posts. That kinda took a little of the fun out of it, when you're forced to look at DR and the other staffers as possibly actual human beings ...

Also, for a couple weeks there DR was posting a weekend diversion of his own and all was right with the world. Then those kinda stopped a few weeks ago and I keep waiting to see if they'll resume. If they don't soon, I'll be happy to raise some hell again.

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 1, 2009 10:52 PM

Well there's no reason we can't take this party over to the The Collector thread next door. *Starts Conga Line Over to The Collector*

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 1, 2009 11:01 PM

Man, you go away for a few weeks and people totally forget you used to be the QUEEN of derailing threads with pointless flame wars.

Meh.

So. Look -- if "Funny" is in the title, BUYER BEWARE. With the exception of Funny Girl, I don't think I've ever seen a movie NOT turn out to be UNFUNNY when the word actually appeared in the title. It's like the kiss of fucking death. It's like putting "Heart" in the title -- ever notice, when "Heart" is in the title, that film is automatically DOOMED to box office death?

Heart Like a Wheel; Where the Heart Is; Untamed Heart; Wild at Heart (yeah, cult classic -- lost money); One from the Heart; I Heart Huckabees; Heart & Souls (LOVE that movie -- lost money); A Mighty Heart; Music of the Heart; White Hunter, Black Heart, Grace of My Heart, American Heart, Clara's Heart; Heart Condition; Heart of Dixie; Heart of Darkness...

I can think of one successful "Heart" film: Angel Heart.

Anyway...

Rubble44 and AgentScully: Ditto. Big time. Christian H... With the exception of his admittedly inspired minor cameo in the loathsome Ben Stiller's abysmal sequel to his equally abysmal museum movie, Jonah Hill is an irredeemable piece of shit who really needs to be taken down a peg or two and learn from his betters for a few years. Unfortunately, the unforgivable ADORATION he has received from the mouthbreathing population of today's lowest common denominator seems to have ensured that will not happen until Hill's movies stop making money and he blows all of his and has to take a job in television and learn a little something about actual hard work (such as it is for actors in this town -- but everything is relative, I suppose. Here in Hollywood, television actors DO have it "harder" than movie actors -- their hours ARE longer and their trailers ARE smaller and their asses ARE kissed slightly LESS. The trade-off being, of course, that they have a far larger measure of job security and get to know where they will be for months at a time. But I digress.)

As for this brouhaha about the term "hipster" -- thank you for enlightening me -- but I fear you are fighting a losing cause. I understand your pain, believe me. I've spent the better part of 30 years battling the drift toward "nauseous" coming to mean "nauseated," when in fact it means "nauseaTING." I have lost, but I will never surrender. Yes, I am that lone Japanese warrior on an island in the Pacific who doesn't know the war is long over...


Posted by: Maryscott O'Connor at August 2, 2009 1:19 AM

You call . . . *hic* youth call this a hijack? Thithis . . . the best *hic* youcn do? Only sixofyous posted since I left . . . SIXTH . . . I am . . . so, ever so . . . disappointeb.

Posted by: Lauren at August 2, 2009 5:26 AM

This movie hit for me. Yes, a bit long (as cited, the scenes at Mann's house needed trimming) but the characters seemed realer than any Apatow film up til this point. I feel like this was a very successful branching out from his guaranteed formula, and I'm ecstatic he's willing to get out of his comfort zone (though I imagine using the same actors over and over makes it easier to bring that comfort whatever type of movie he makes).

Posted by: trippdup at August 2, 2009 12:15 PM

For the record, I saw this movie yesterday and I absolutely loved it. It seemed personal and honest, as if these characters are baring a part of their soul they normally keep hidden from us. And it feels like Judd really poured himself into this a lot, and I completely connected with the emotion of every character.

And it did not feel like a two-and-a-half hour long movie. Honestly, when the credits rolled, I thought, "Wow, it's over already?" I felt like it just breezed by.

Maybe I was just personally affected by it, or something like that, but I think this was a fantastic movie.

Posted by: Christian H. at August 2, 2009 12:58 PM

Rubble44, Christian H.--as a longtime fan of both of you crazy guys, I feel like inviting you both over for a beer summit or something! Now, kiss and make up, or I'll have to kiss you both. And I don't know if Mr. meaux would take kindly to that suggestion.

Posted by: meaux at August 2, 2009 3:20 PM

Stan: Well, at least we learned our lesson.

Kyle: No, we didn't.

Posted by: Recondite at August 2, 2009 3:27 PM

but is the movie funny or not?
because i don't care if the characters aren't likeable when they 're interesting or funny!

Posted by: carrie at August 2, 2009 5:02 PM

Then again, Carrie it's not a straight up comedy, so if that's your basis for whether or not you like this movie, I'm sorry, but that's not the movie's fault.

Posted by: Christian H. at August 2, 2009 7:51 PM

For the record, Rubble44, I would never call you an "elitist cocksmoke" or any other name. I got a bit heated when I saw so many people I like in comedy get dissed on for reasons that made no sense to me. But I wouldn't call you names. Whoever did that is a douche. I'm sorry for my shit, you're sorry for your shit, we're cool.

Posted by: Christian H. at August 2, 2009 8:00 PM

And now I saw the comment where you ripped on my band. You know what? I'm still going to say we're cool, because I don't want to get into a dick-off with you, because let's face it, I've done it on here before, it never ends well.

I will say that I can always tell when someone's listened to only one of our songs (re: damnthisla's comment. That's our only song that vaguely resembles a "turkish film", and you'd know that if you'd skip to track 2). And I agree that those recordings aren't great, and listening to them via the internet through computer speakers doesn't help. Next time we're in your area, drop by. We usually sell people live. Problem is, we're poor, and can't afford any real recording time.

For the record, however, if you want to get back at someone for a comment, use something thoughtful, reasonable, and on-track. You rip on my band when I'm talking about comedians, normally I'll get pissed. I'm giving you a pass this time, because I don't give a fuck.

George, I'll talk to Chris from my band (he's in charge of the website proper). For future reference, it's Zach (Lead vox on half the songs, guitar, and keys), Chase (Lead vox on the rest of the songs, guitar), Chris (bass/guitar, some backup vox), and me (drums, some backup vox). On our single "Two Skeletons", we have somewhere around 27 tracks in that recording, including organ, keys, random guitar noises, and trumpet. Our trumpet player (and unofficial fifth band member) is Zaq Swank. Look his stuff up, his songs are pretty hilarious.

Posted by: Christian H. at August 2, 2009 8:16 PM

"I don't want to get into a dick-off with you,..."

See, I'm not so sure about that.

GET A ROOM, FUNBOYS hahahahahahahahahahahaa..

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 2, 2009 8:58 PM


How lovely to see everyone get along, or at least make up. Sort of. This site is getting overloaded with balls-to-the-wall, all-gas-all-the-time, machismo/a. Tranquillo, my friends. The point is to enjoy the prose, no? The wordsmithery? Not to take offense, eh?

So well played, all. Though I wish for a little less "I'll take the high road" from Rubble44," and a far fewer words about the astounding awesomeness of Christian H's band. Sanctimony? Self-aggrandizement? Blech. That's not the machismo way! And it distracts from your essays.

For my part, I'll take Che's word. I need "funny hah hah" right now, and not much more. If this flick is a downer, or if it provokes faux introspection, we can shove it in the round file.

Posted by: Lance at August 2, 2009 9:09 PM

I've spent the better part of 30 years battling the drift toward "nauseous" coming to mean "nauseated," when in fact it means "nauseaTING." I have lost, but I will never surrender.

When I was in boarding school, I had a fantastic English/history teacher. He went on confidential rants about religion, excitedly shared twisted history anecdotes, and taught us the difference between nauseous and nauseated. His main point was that if you're nauseous, you make other people feel nauseated.

Later that same day, at dinner, I was behind him and a Korean student in line for food. The student, who didn't have the best command of English, complained that he was nauseous, and I smiled to myself, aware he was using the wrong word. My teacher looked at him, completely serious, and said, "Yes, you are."

It's possible he followed that up with a wink in my direction, but that's more likely wishful thinking borne of my raging hard-on for him. God, I loved that man.

Posted by: SaBrina at August 3, 2009 12:05 AM

seriously SaBrina, my one wish for you is that you get laid by ALL your crushes. you are a fascinating specimen of horndog. and i salute you.

Posted by: gp at August 3, 2009 12:25 AM

After reading through Dan's review and some of the comments (thanks qwerty!), my expectations had been lowered significantly before I even took my seat in the theater. Unfortunately, not low enough.

My chief complaints: A poor editing job that left the film dragging for the last 30-40 minutes, unlikable main characters (I don't need to be coddled into loving everyone on screen, but when you find yourself wishing for more Schwartzman, Hill, and the adorable Aubrey Plaza, and less Rogen, Sandler, and Mann - that's saying something), and Apatow's frustrating habit of quick, incessant back and forth cuts between heavy-handed drama and small genitalia jokes. Oh, and James Taylor? Really? Way to f*ck away your one line with terrible delivery. I get it, you're a living legend, but come on!

Things I liked: Aubrey Plaza, the framed photo of Jason Schwartzman in their kitchen, Leslie Mann's Jamaican? accent, Aubrey Plaza's 10 second stand-up bit on rap music, Paul Reiser (really), the foreign doctor's John McClane quote at the bar, and Aubrey Plaza.

Posted by: NJ at August 3, 2009 12:29 AM

Now that we've sorted everything out, I saw the movie on Friday night and I have to tell you, they could have cut out a good 30-40 minutes of this movie and it may have worked better. The whole storyarc with Leslie Mann and them going to visit her house took away from what I thought was really interesting about this movie. The last movie that tried to deal with comedians like this was Punchline and we all know what a piece of crap that was.

Comedians shit on each other all of the time. I agree wholeheartedly with the last paragraph of Daniel's review, especially when they say "that's funny" because I've seen it many times. Watch the documentary, Jerry Seinfeld, Comedian or When Stand Up Stood Out, which was about the huge Boston comedy scene in the 80's and 90's and you will see that in action. No comedian likes to say someone else is funnier than they are and it's an intense battle between contemporaries who call themselves friends to their faces one moment and do what they have to to step on their competition's necks the next.


You could have had a movie about the dynamics between an new comedian like Ira and the older successful one like George and their interplay and that's a solid concept. Add in more scenes like where they are at a table with other comedians talking and bullshitting with each other and some more cutthroat competition when it comes to getting the time on stage and jobs off of it. If you have to have a romantic arc, do it between Ira and the young female comedian. You don't need to put your wife and kids in all of your films.

That being said, when I left, I wasn't let down by the movie totally. It had some good things and a few laughs. If someone asks should they see it, I'll say why not, but it's not as funny as you think a movie called Funny People should be (shout out to Maryscott) and it could have been so much more.

Posted by: Rubble44 at August 3, 2009 12:45 AM

Hah, thanks gp. Stand down, soldier.

Posted by: SaBrina at August 3, 2009 1:11 AM

See, I thought Ira's romance was the true distraction, between the two. I mean, in terms of narrative arc and plot importance, it really could have been left out and the movie wouldn't have lost anything. But it ended up being a solid contrast to George's relationship.

Posted by: Christian H. at August 3, 2009 2:36 AM

It's a drama event that involves funny people.
Ever had anything bad happen to you and you try and surround yourself with laughter? Sometimes you can laugh and sometimes there's no place for jokes.

I think when people say the movie 'isn't funny', I don't think that they movie had attempts for jokes that bombed, I just think that Judd created times for jokes and times for seriousness. I think the timing was perfect.

Telling potential audiences that it's 'not funny' doesn't mean that there aren't hysterically funny parts.. because I tell ya, I laughed pretty hard at some parts. There wasn't a potential joke/punchline that I didn't laugh at (minus the 'accent' scene...)

Posted by: higglypiggly at August 3, 2009 4:40 AM

Maybe I benefited from lowered expectations following Dan's review but I liked this movie.

Posted by: Handel at August 3, 2009 1:28 PM

My fight is impact vs. effect. My theory is that, in writing, no one knew when to use "effect" and when to use "affect" so they just said "fuck it" and used impact. (They meant effect.)

Well, effect and impact aren't exactly the same thing.

I still don't know what a hipster is.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at August 3, 2009 1:38 PM

Well, effect and impact aren't exactly the same thing.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at August 3, 2009 1:38 PM
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Neither are "anxious" and "eager."

xoxoxoxoxoxo you, snuggie

Posted by: , (the commenter formerly known as bucdaddy) at August 3, 2009 2:27 PM

This overlong and often incoherent project has some "moments" but Apatow, a clever writer, really needed a competent film editor and perhaps more important, a Director. There's probably an hour of solid entertainment here, superbly photographed, tangled away in this three-hour potty-mouth display of "insider" self-indulgence. Tellingly, everybody in our half-filled theater dashed for the exits - literally - even as the camera was zooming back from the final scene and before the final titles rolled, after this chaos masquerading as a movie finally reached its O. Henry surprise ending -- just as you begin to believe this mishmash will never end, it DOES.

Posted by: gary haynes at August 9, 2009 10:43 AM

watch Funny People online

http://megashare.info/watch.php?id=TWpNeQ

Posted by: MegaMovies at August 10, 2009 7:47 PM

I actually thought this movie was pretty freakin funny. Plus Bo Burnham is in it. Doesn't play a major roll or anything BUT ITS BO BURNHAM PEOPLE!

Posted by: Miek at August 24, 2009 8:02 AM

loved the movie. all my favorite actors are all in the same movie. it's a win.

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