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Stupid Is As Stupid Does

By Steven Lloyd Wilson | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (104)



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I hated Forrest Gump when I first saw it. I hated the cheerful but melancholy man child who bounced his way through a generation of history like a pinball on peyote. The audience laughed. I glared in silence at the idiot on the screen. The audience sighed and chortled and felt good about themselves for two hours, high on the fumes of their own memories. I gazed vacantly on nostalgia that wasn’t my own like a dinner guest drafted into watching vacation videos.

Even after 15 years there is no consistent gestalt as to either the film’s quality or significance. A significant percentage of Baby Boomers are in love with the film, seeing it as ode to their generation. A goodly proportion of Gen X’ers loathe it for the same reason. It has that curious quality of reflecting back exactly what you want to see in the events of the time. Liberals revel in the vision of counter culture, civil rights, and the meaninglessness of Vietnam. Conservatives repeatedly rank the film as one of the most conservative films ever made, whenever the National Review or its ilk feel like doing a top ten list. And the film’s message makes sense from that point of view: hard work gets you rich, hippie drug users get AIDs.

It was only as I watched Forrest Gump again that I realized the genius of the film, the way that on some level it functions as a hit job on the entire boomer generation. Forrest, sitting there rambling incessantly and unselfconsciously about his entire life history to an eclectic group of people who alternately are entranced, mystified or just plain irritated by the crazy guy in a white suit. The audience doesn’t matter, all that matters is his need to plow on with the endless narrative that conveniently describes how he is in fact the center of the entire universe. He instigated every major historical event of the previous 20 years, with an aw shucks “just happy to be here, ma’am” shtick that is even responsible for producing bumper stickers. He’s like Dr. Evil’s father claiming that he inventing the question mark. “Hey baby, did I ever tell you about the time I invented the phrase ‘shit happens’?” If it’s possible to simplify and distill an entire generation down into one personification, it’s Forrest Gump.

But that’s just the surface reading of the character, the one that Boomers are happy with even if they think you’re exaggerating his faults. After all, they are the center of the universe, and being snarky about it just shows that we don’t understand just how incredibly much we the following generations owe to their noble sacrifices.

My initial antipathy towards the film largely centered on the way that it trivialized history. The way it inserted dumb ol’ Forrest Gump into the middle of things that people fought and died for. Civil Rights? Well, golly, why would I hate someone because of their skin color? Watergate? Well, golly, someone’s breaking into that them there hotel. Vietnam? Well, golly … oh the microphone cut off. Look, if this film was supposed to be an ode to the Boomers we would have heard what Forrest had to say. If it was an ode to them, it’s so easy to write a single middling sentence that makes both sides happy. “War is bad, but I did my best, Jennaaay.” There, both Boomer contingents will hear the half of the sentence they want to hear, just like they did with the rest of the movie. The film kills Forrest’s microphone there explicitly because it isn’t the ode that Boomers think it is, because the only thing Forrest really could have said in character was “screw all of you on both sides, I’m going to go buy a boat, Jennaaay.”

The movie’s genius is in the way that it really does trivialize history. It trivializes all of the damned things that we’ve had to listen to the Boomers brag about for the last 30 years. Wow, you fought for civil rights? Wow, you realized a politician was corrupt? Wow, you figured out that war sucks? Guess what, any idiot could have figured out those things. By dropping the mantle of the Boomers’ accomplishments onto the broad shoulders beneath that mentally deficient head, Forrest Gump is in effect throwing down against the entire Boomer generation’s self-satisfied ego. So you did all those things, what do you want? A fucking medal? Forrest freaking Gump could have managed those things, so why are you so proud?

Don’t get me wrong here, I’m not saying that history doesn’t matter or that the events of the film’s period weren’t important, just that they don’t matter more than their context. Every generation thinks it’s the center of the universe, but in 50 or a 100 years no one will remember your special nostalgia and whatever you think mattered will probably be footnotes at best in the dusty tomes of history.

The final scenes are the film’s warning shot, little Generation X sitting there in a matching suit, sad and smart. He’s lost his mother to a self destructive life and inherited a father who’s not quite all there but can talk for hours about being the center of the universe. Life is a box of chocolates, the little white feather floating on the wind. Forrest is sad for the exact reason the Boomers as a generation aren’t. He knows he can’t control what’s going to happen to his boy, that it’s all just damned dumb luck what’s going to come rolling your way. You were never in charge of history any more than you were in charge of what was in the center of each chocolate in the box. The winds knock your bloody feather around and around and the best you can do is keep a smile on your face through it all. But there’s a hope buried in that nihilism: the same winds that sputter out and leave you in the gutter can also surge and carry you to the heavens. Just don’t think that a lucky wind makes you an eagle.

Steven Lloyd Wilson is a hopeless romantic and the last scion of Norse warriors and the forbidden elder gods. His novel, ramblings, and assorted fictions coalesce at www.burningviolin.com.









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Comments

Yeah.
You're over thinking it and seeing what you wanna see, dude.

Sure, often meaning can be "between" things, but for that to function at all it has to mean it to more than one person Im sure.

Still, well-written piece.

Still hate that movie.

Posted by: Tyne Daly's Clit With Googly Eyes From The Craft Store On It at October 1, 2009 2:13 PM

This interpretation is pretty ridiculous but really creative. Overall quite an enjoyable read.

Posted by: becks at October 1, 2009 2:15 PM

I don't recommend that you read the novel the movie's based on, Steven, if you hated the movie this much.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at October 1, 2009 2:18 PM

I love this review, but I'm also going to continue to enjoy this movie unabashedly. Your points are absolutely sound and correct. The reason I like it, is the same reason I like my blowhard Dad.

It is a litany of simplified touchstones from and about the most powerful, enabled and entitled generation. I'll never expect my kids to give it a moment's thought, but having grown up with all of it, and from helplessly adoring my parents, well, I'm taking the Soma and liking it.

Posted by: replica at October 1, 2009 2:18 PM

Good review of a movie I thought was intolerably insipid, and I'm one of them self centered boomers.Just out of curiosity, what umm...'accomplishments' are the GenXers going to look back on so fondly?

Posted by: brite at October 1, 2009 2:19 PM

I hated this movie with the burning passion of a thousand exploding suns. I'd rather gouge my eyes out with a spork than suffer through it again.

Posted by: Stupid is as Forrest does at October 1, 2009 2:21 PM

There are no words to adequately describe how much I cannot abide this movie. I don't normally like the word "hate", but I hated it. I hate the character of Forrest Gump. I hated Tom Hanks playing the character. I hated the story. I wanted to rip off Gump's leg braces and beat him to a bloody pulp so I wouldn't have to hear his monotonous voice utter one more word, and when Hanks won an Oscar for his stupid, shit performance I wanted to go find those mangled leg braces and kill Tom Hanks.

Posted by: Cindy at October 1, 2009 2:22 PM

Long have I searched for the correct way to express my political outlook. “Screw all of you on both sides, I’m going to go buy a boat, Jennaaay” is as close to accurate as one could get.

Posted by: TSF at October 1, 2009 2:23 PM

hard work gets you rich, hippie drug users get AIDs.

Son of a bitch. I've only seen this once, and I was high on acid, so I totally missed the moral of the story. Shit.

Posted by: Xtreme at October 1, 2009 2:26 PM

MelBivDevoe is right. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES READ THAT NOVEL. I cannot stress this highly enough, except to say this:

At one point, Forrest goes to outerspace on a launch with a woman and a monkey (and was subsequently subject to the predictable offensive jokes). When they return, they do not splash down in open water as intended; they miss their window and end up crashing onto an island inhabited by a tribe of cannibals. It turns out that Forrest is preternaturally good at chess, and he gets the tribe's chief to spare their lives as long as Forrest continues to win at chess. I can't remember how they escape or are rescued.

That is actually what happens in the book. All the ridiculous historical accidents of the movie? The vague romanticism of it? All still happens, but then suddenly out of nowhere, they put Forrest motherfucking Gump in outer motherfucking space.

Also, I like this reading of the film, if only because I like this movie and hate nearly everything about the baby boom generation. That was always hard to reconcile.

Posted by: Opie Curious at October 1, 2009 2:26 PM

brite: Fuck you.

Posted by: Generation X at October 1, 2009 2:28 PM

Box o' chocolates, never know what you're gonna get. Well, golly, only if it's assorted I reckon. Gimme a box o' clones.

Posted by: Ellen at October 1, 2009 2:32 PM

Forrest is sad ... He knows he can’t control what’s going to happen to his boy.

How true. His boy is going to go on to see dead people.

Posted by: mswas at October 1, 2009 2:33 PM

Brilliantly done, SLW!

the most powerful, enabled and entitled generation.

Tom Brokaw has gotta be piiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssed.

Posted by: branded at October 1, 2009 2:34 PM

I hardly know what to say. Gump has been getting shit on around these parts for years, mostly undeservedly. Gumps biggest problem is that it became more popular and won more awards than it deserved. Had it not won best picture over more deserving fare we would all dismiss it as an enjoyable popcorn flick. I don't think Zemekis started out to make an "IMPORTANT OSCAR BAIT" film. Nothing in his filmography before or since supports the idea that he is concerned with such things. Gump was commandeered by Boomers just like the Big Chill. I refuse to ascribe deep meaning to it and I believe your interpretation of the film is your own and does not reflect the filmmakers intent.

Posted by: ed newman at October 1, 2009 2:36 PM

Lieutenant Dan! Ice cream!

Posted by: Abe Froman at October 1, 2009 2:36 PM

Also, "Stupid is as stupid does" is one of the most irritating quotes ever. And you could NOT escape it after the movie was released. Everybody had a gorram Forrest Gump impersonation, and it was either that quote or the stupid "box of chocolates" phrase. Ugh.

Posted by: MelBivDevoe at October 1, 2009 2:38 PM

God, I hate this movie. I have a multitude of reasons, many of which are expressed in the review much better than I ever could. The thing that I will never forgive this movie for though is the fact that it gave everyone a fun, new pronunciation of my name. Thanks a lot Forrest Gump. That didn't get real old, real fast or anything. Next person to do that I'm going to kick in the balls (because of course, 9 times out of 10 it's a guy who does it).

Posted by: Jeni at October 1, 2009 2:39 PM

@brite
Well, the internet's not too bad- among lots of other technical advances like hybrid cars and GPS. We've also got three wars under our belts that Boomer politicians got us into. Turns out Xers weren't the big slackers everyone thought we were.
I think our biggest accomplishment, however, will be keeping all your old asses alive by paying out of ours in social security.
You're welcome!

Posted by: ShannonAnn at October 1, 2009 2:39 PM

It was all worth it for this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yGEKcAFIcc

Posted by: TSF at October 1, 2009 2:41 PM

Tom Brokaw has gotta be piiiiiiiiiiiiiissssssssed.

Brokaw extols the virtues of Boomers parents, not Boomers. I think he'd probably agree with replica.

Posted by: ed newman at October 1, 2009 2:43 PM

I'm 28 in November and was born in the last year of Generation X (I first heard Kurt Cobain in the 6th grade, so that gives you an idea.) What I've found over and over again with the "baby boomer" generation is the mentality of "we forged a path for you little fuckers, and we're going to remind you of it until we die, so you better act grateful!" I've seen it from a lot of older Republicans (not all, but most), the ultra-religious or the hardcore patriotic. A lot of things changed for the better in the United States because of the baby boomers, but they need to remember that the younger generation will ALSO create huge changes in music, art, self-expression, politics, etc. Not to point to the obvious, but we were the kids that voted the first black president in! If you were the generation to change everything, why are you now resisting change yourself? How can you be proud of rebelling against the previous generation and now look down upon the 20 and 30 somethings as socialists/communists/hippies/liberals/anti-American, etc?

It's like at work when a few of us "young'uns" were joking around with an older coworker about how the baby boomers were taking all the Social Security before we could get some (it was payday and we were looking at the tax lines) she freaked out yelling "So....what?! You just want to euthanize all the old people, is that it?! Just kill the older generation that was here before you?!" In my head I was like "Well, maybe if they didn't push Americans coming home from World War II to have a billion kids we'd have some natural resources left....my grandmother's 12 kids included."

Posted by: scorzi at October 1, 2009 2:47 PM

Forrest is sad ... He knows he can’t control what’s going to happen to his boy.

How true. His boy is going to go on to see dead people.

Posted by: mswas at October 1, 2009 2:33 PM

Maybe he'll see his momma JENNNNAAAAAAAY

And, to the Sausage King of Chicago, thanks to you I just snorted delicious Starbucks Pumpkin Spice Latte up my nose and into my brain.

That's all I got to say about that.

Posted by: dammitjanet at October 1, 2009 2:49 PM

@brite

Pardon us X'er's if we're a grumpy lot.

What will I as an X'er look back fondly on? Lot's of things.

I'll look back on my high school years with Reagan as the time when we all might be blown to bits by nukes at any second.

I'll also look back on that time when sex, mosquitoes and the sweat from the cafeteria lady could give you AIDS. And no one having sex out of pure, ignorant fear.

I'll look back and remember the boomers flocking to the moral majority and the greed on Wall Street after abandoning their high and mighty ideals.

I'll look back on graduating from college in the early '90's with no health insurance and the worst recession in 50 years.

I'll look back on watching the internet boom and then bust leaving half my friends unemployed within a span of four months.

I'll look back and remember the towers collapsing, the rise of terrorism and getting my ass sent to the middle east for 2 years.

And now? We could be blown to bits by nukes at any seond. It's amazing that what goes around comes around.

Posted by: anderbot at October 1, 2009 2:49 PM

If most of the "hippie" generation and the Black Panther generation had kept the same ideals all the way until 2009, does anyone think the country would be radically different (environment, money, politics, religion, etc)? Could that have happened? Just a cool idea to think about.

Posted by: scorzi at October 1, 2009 2:56 PM

Wow. Interesting piece, SLW. I had never thought about the movie in any of those terms. I neither hate it with a passion nor love it unreservedly. And I have no desire to see it again. But I don't begrudge other people enjoying it either. I can see how it serves a purpose for some people.

hard work gets you rich, hippie drug users get AIDs

That was totally NOT what I took away from the movie, and I'm fascinated that apparently a lot of people did. First of all, although Forrest was a hard and honest worker, he got rich sheerly through luck. He bought Apple stock "because it had an apple [logo] on it." Maybe I'm not remembering correctly.

Also, I never saw Jenny as standing in for all hippie drug users. The trajectory of her life did stand in for that piece of history (as the film seemed determined to create a history textbook, with a bite-size piece of everything). I saw her life as being very, very sad and the result of her being abused by her father and being a very damaged individual. Which could happen in any era. I also thought she was simply a contrast to Forrest, reinforcing the notion that "ignorance (or innocence) is bliss." Forrest never knew much of the ways of the world, and he was overall pretty happy throughout his life. Jenny was NOT innocent in the ways of the world and she paid a big price.

Wow. I never knew I had so much to ramble on about Forrest Gump, of all things.

Gary Sinise will always be Looo-ten-int Dan to me. Despite not particularly liking the movie, I love Gary Sinise in it.

Posted by: MM at October 1, 2009 2:57 PM

what umm...'accomplishments' are the GenXers going to look back on so fondly?

Posted by: brite at October 1, 2009 2:19 PM

The Human Centipede.

Posted by: admin at October 1, 2009 3:00 PM

admiiiiiin!

You can't win your own EE, damnit!!

Posted by: MM at October 1, 2009 3:02 PM

The Human Centipede.

In any thread, in any situation, it always works.

To quote the late, great Sam Kinison, "IT NEVER ENDS!!! IT NEVER ENDS!!!"

Posted by: dammitjanet at October 1, 2009 3:05 PM

@ Brite:

(Sticks out tongue)

We're in Generation Y now, you can't blame that on X! They also get blamed for Miley Cyrus, the Jonas Brothers, scarves in summer, leggings with everything, guyliner, emo bands and Twilight.

Posted by: scorzi at October 1, 2009 3:06 PM

brite

Oh, I don't know. I already forgot what happened on September 11th.

Posted by: commanderfunky at October 1, 2009 3:07 PM

Yeah, but it had like one of the best soundtracks ever!!

"Hound Dog" -Elvis Presley
"Rebel Rouser" -Duane Eddy
"(I Don't Know Why) But I Do" -Clarence Frogman Henry
"Walk Right In" -The Rooftop Singers
"Land of 1000 Dances" -Wilson Pickett
"Blowin' in the Wind" -Joan Baez
"Fortunate Son" -Creedence Clearwater Revival
"I Can't Help Myself (Sugar Pie Honey Bunch)" -The Four Tops
"Respect" -Aretha Franklin
"Rainy Day Women #12 & 35" -Bob Dylan
"Sloop John B" -Beach Boys
"California Dreamin'" -The Mamas & the Papas
"For What It's Worth" -Buffalo Springfield
"What the World Needs Now Is Love" -Jackie DeShannon
"Break On Through (To the Other Side)" -The Doors
"Mrs. Robinson" -Simon & Garfunkel
"Volunteers" -Jefferson Airplane
"Let's Get Together" -The Youngbloods
"San Francisco (Be Sure to Wear Flowers in Your Hair)" -Scott McKenzie
"Turn! Turn! Turn!" -The Byrds
"Medley: Aquarius/Let the Sunshine In" -The 5th Dimension
"Everybody's Talkin'" -Harry Nilsson
"Joy to the World" -Three Dog Night
"Stoned Love" -The Supremes
"Raindrops Keep Fallin' on My Head" -B. J. Thomas
"Mr. President" -Randy Newman
"Sweet Home Alabama" -Lynyrd Skynyrd
"It Keeps You Runnin'" -The Doobie Brothers
"I've Got to Use My Imagination" -Gladys Knight & the Pips
"On the Road Again" -Willie Nelson
"Against the Wind" -Bob Seger & the Silver Bullet Band
"Forrest Gump Suite" -Alan Silvestri

Posted by: DeistBrawler at October 1, 2009 3:07 PM

Anderbot--the early '90s recession? That wasn't even the worst in ten years, let alone 50 years. The current one should put that in perspective!

It definitely does suck for those coming out of college right into a shrinking job market like the one we're in--though I'm wondering if older folks have it worse if they lose their jobs now, knowing how much harder it'll be to get into the workforce once this recession ends, and where their life savings and housing values have been wiped out.

The boomers screwed us--they ran the economy into the ground, got us into the two wars we have now (all the main policymakers were boomers) even with the lesson of Vietnam that they take so much credit for. But more than that? I blame the WWII generation for raising those brats!

/Someday will complain about yet another generation that won't get off my lawn...

Posted by: Bd at October 1, 2009 3:14 PM

One of the greatest accomplishments of some of the Xers is not buying into the giant apparatus of society's bullshit.

Notice the qualifiers, fuckfaces....


8))

Posted by: Recondite at October 1, 2009 3:14 PM

By the way. I went to the Bubba Gump Shrimp Company in Charleston, SC. It seems they ask questions to larger parties and anyone who gets the answer correct gets a prize. Well, the waiter walked by and I had the following conversation.

"So how do you win a prize?" -me
"For being able to answer a Forrest Gump trivia question correctly." -waiter
"Well how bout I just get a free drink for the fact that Jenny dies the day, month, and year I was born?" -me
"Really?" -waiter
show him my ID
"Wow...but no, sorry, you don't get anything for that." -waiter
"How about the fact that he said 'You died on a saturday' and I was born on like a fucking tuesday?" -me
"Really?" -waiter
"Well, I don't remember the exact day but I know for a fact it wasn't a Saturday. My mom pointed it out during the movie." -me
"Wow...you'd think they would check that first." -waiter
"Yep...so how bout that drink?" -me
"Nope...sorry." -waiter

Asshole.

Posted by: DeistBrawler at October 1, 2009 3:16 PM

I never really understood why people love this movie. I don't really enjoy it but then again I don't really like watching hyped up big box office movies. They just don't seem as personal as independent films IMO.

Posted by: grace b at October 1, 2009 3:18 PM

Brokaw extols the virtues of Boomers parents, not Boomers. I think he'd probably agree with replica.

While I agree with rep about the generation (but not this movie), Brokaw actually doesn't based on his book about the 60's from a couple years ago. Brokaw obviously has trumpeted the WWII generation (who raised the Boomers) but has himself been pulled into the Boomer obsession. He went so far as to talk how the 2008 Election would help us define the people and culture 1960's because the candidates themselves came from that generation (this was before Obama was a frontrunner).

Posted by: branded at October 1, 2009 3:25 PM

The Human Centipede
no matter what you feed
turns to poo, poo, poo

I'd rather be first,
to be third would be worst.
feeding on doo-doo-doo

No teeth, no kneecaps,
who could write recaps
after you spew, spew, spew?

Tissue matching, E coli
it all sounds very sci-fi
isn't that true, true, true?

I know this doesn't fit this thread,
the damn centipede won't be dead
cuz admin brought it up anew, anew, anew

Maybe Forrest Gump would stumble
into this centipedey bumble
and give it chocolate to chew, chew, chew

Enough centipede for today,
its time for me to go away
and bid you all adieu, adieu, adieu

Posted by: dammitjanet at October 1, 2009 3:25 PM

If most of the "hippie" generation and the Black Panther generation had kept the same ideals all the way until 2009, does anyone think the country would be radically different (environment, money, politics, religion, etc)? Could that have happened? Just a cool idea to think about.
Posted by: scorzi at October 1, 2009 2:56 PM

But we didn't, Scorzi. We failed.
We failed ourselves and the entirety of Generation X by abandoning the principles we so dearly held in the 1960's-70's and embracing the creature comforts of middle class society. We sat back and let first Nixon and then Reagan bring corruption, greed and nationalism to the forefront of this culture and then celebrated by dancing the night away in discos, our heads full of cocaine and our minds on sex. So what if the National Parks were being raped? Who cared that deregulation was going to eventually lead to our current financial crises? AIDS? Only affected "the blacks, gays and junkies". We became self-absorbed, self-indulgent, narcissistic morons, so self-centered that we plunked our kids in front of TV sets and dumped them into daycare centers so that we could pursue our own agendas without worry.
Now, we are paying the price of failure.
I don't despise "Forrest Gump". I despise the reflection I see in the mirror that it holds up to our sad, shamed faces.
My heartfelt apologies to Gen X and my thanks for moving us along in the areas of technology and the many innovations you've made possible.

Now, don't be like us.

Posted by: Spender at October 1, 2009 3:26 PM

I have to say, this is the best review of Forrest Gump I've ever read, stripe. I love the film, and I'm not ashamed, but I never thought of it like this. Great review, as always.

Posted by: George at October 1, 2009 3:27 PM

What a completely interesting take on the movie. I don't love it, but I had friends that certainly did. Haven't watched it in years and don't feel the need to ever see it again. I seriously doubt Zemeckis meant the movie to be taken as you have, but it would be nice if he really was THAT subversive. Maybe his dead eye CGI characters are intentionally dead eyed and it is commentary on the viewers who will stare mindlessly at anything that takes them away for a few moments from the crushing monotony that is their lives.

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 1, 2009 3:30 PM

Nice one, dammitjanet! Way to just tear out of the gate in the race for the #1 spot on next week's EE. Skitz is gonna have to dig deep this time!

Posted by: TylerDFC at October 1, 2009 3:33 PM

Most of you really are sad & angry, it must feel good (?) to feel superior to almost everything and everyone. This movie is great. And keep fuckin' that chicken.

Posted by: KC at October 1, 2009 3:35 PM

@ Generation X oooooooooh yes, the wonderful and succint Fuck you! A great accomplishment indeed!

@ Shannon Ann Well, the internet's not too bad- among lots of other technical advances like hybrid cars and GPS.
Nope, not one of those things were invented by a Genxer...all done long by people born long before your time.
We've also got three wars under our belts that Boomer politicians got us into.
These are not accomplishments, they are your circumstances.
I think our biggest accomplishment, however, will be keeping all your old asses alive by paying out of ours in social security.
This however maybe your claim to fame,unfortunately.
And again to commanderfunky, September 11 was not an accomplishment, it was a shitshow that will haunt all of you for decades to come. My condolences.

Posted by: brite at October 1, 2009 3:52 PM

Most of you really are sad & angry, it must feel good (?) to feel superior to almost everything and everyone. This movie is great. And keep fuckin' that chicken.

Oh, the irony in this comment is glorious. Making yourself feel superior by criticizing people for making themselves feel superior by criticizing something. KC, doll, you're adorable.

That said, I think ed newman sums up my feelings best. Had this not won an Oscar (over Pulp Fiction, Shawshank and Quiz Show, no less), it would likely not be as disliked by some. Its success is what is so infuriating, because really, it's just a generally OK, sometimes amusing, sometimes interesting movie.

Also, he goes to SPACE in the novel? Jeezy Creezy.

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at October 1, 2009 3:52 PM

ShannonAnn,

Are you serious? Gen-X is no more responsible for the internet than Al Gore, to say nothing of the other technological advances you described. The internet has been in gestation since the mid twentieth century, for God's sake.

Pretty naive...

Posted by: Bluesilver at October 1, 2009 3:57 PM

I am constantly confused as to what generation I belong to. Can anyone enlighten me? When exactly did Gen X end and Gen Y begin?

Posted by: Kiddo at October 1, 2009 4:54 PM

Kiddo, I'll give you a hint:

It doesn't fucking matter.

Posted by: TK at October 1, 2009 4:58 PM

Oh, and I need to second (third, fourth?) the advice to skip the book entirely. Oh my God, skip the book! I got to the part about the chimp and space and threw it away. Piece of garbage.

Posted by: Kiddo at October 1, 2009 4:59 PM

Fuck that TK. I want to know. I don't care that it doesn't matter.

Posted by: Kiddo at October 1, 2009 5:01 PM

Last spring break I went to Savannah with my best friend ( we went in the hopes of meeting Paula Deen. Ridiculous perhaps, but it was a good enough excuse for a road trip, plus once we got there we realized Savannah has the second biggest St. Patrick's Day celebration in the US, which was pretty much constant entertainment all weekend) and

anyway

there was this dude walking around one night impersonating Forrest Gump. At first I thought he was an actor or on some drugs then I thought maybe he was mentally ill. He was so into it though, and he had the khakis and running shoes and dorky jacket and red hat and a box of chocolates and oh God he was walking around all night asking people if they'd seen "JEENAAAY". My friend and I were sitting outside this bar and we saw him walk down the same street at least a dozen times, stopping people, pretending to be Forrest. The locals all seemed to know him but it freaked me the fuck out.

Then he disappeared and showed up as a guido (no lie, he had the overdesigned jeans, a mesh top, slicked hair, fancy loafers) and starting hitting on people.

But wait! THEN he walked into a stop sign and instead of maneuvering around it he just stood there for a solid two minutes, facing the stop sign, not moving. Finally he wandered off and I never saw him again...

Sorry. I needed to share the weirdness of that experience. Great review!

Posted by: memily at October 1, 2009 5:02 PM

@Brite

How about all the advances over the last ten years on this here internet that you used to post your inane comment? What about all the various advances in technology over the past two decades? Are the boomers responsible for those simply by virtue of shooting the innovators of these technologies out of their crotches?

Of course, I'm not claiming my generation is responsible for all of it on their own. They built on other accomplishments. But let me ask, when you are having trouble with your computer, do you call your son/daughter (grandson/granddaughter) to help you out? Or someone who calls tech support with questions like "If I don't have enough RAM to run this program, where can I go to download more?"

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 5:04 PM

What are y'all bitching about? My name is Forrest! Do you know how many times I have heard some idiot say,"Run, Forrest, Run!" like they are the first person to ever say that? They took a perfectly respectable name and shit all over it.

However, I love the scene when Gump goes "EE, EE, EE" to the school principal.

Posted by: Forrest at October 1, 2009 5:06 PM

Oh, my bad Brite... you corrected me before I even commented. The Boomers ARE responsible also for all the innovations in technology over the last 20 years. Silly me. Here I thought all these 30 and 40 something programmers and coders I know, the ones who write their own programs from scratch, who made social networking and video on demand a reality with their hard work, were responsible for the wonderful tools that make me life easier everyday. Silly, silly me. Of course that was all your generation too. My bad.

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 5:09 PM

OK Bluesilver, Brite, and others... Of course Gen X didn't invent the internet any more than the Boomers did.
But all the neat little applications and tools and things that make the internet run so smoothly. Those are not the work of a bunch of full of themselves decrepit old burn-outs.

If you like video on demand and type in boxes and all those things that make the internet now so much more useful than it was in 1994, you like technology that following generations have pioneered.

Get over yourselves and learn some frickin' humility already.

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 5:16 PM

I refused to see this movie when it was out. Eventually, I was forced to. How, you ask? It was on theis gigantic TV is a hospital waiting room. I was there while my mother, who had cancer and was close to death, was being treated by ER doctors.

I will never forgive this shit-eating piece of tripe for having been made.

Posted by: growler at October 1, 2009 5:30 PM

Jeremy,
For your edification, my husband (age 55, my brothers (age 54 and 60) and myself are all programmers. Not Windows based, browser blinded monkeys that couldn't write a program from scratch if their life depended on it. All these nifty little tools that make the internet sooo much more interesting were not developed by people born after 1960.Granted, some of the applications that are out there have been 'written' by a new generation of programmers, but it is all based on a foundation of programming that none of them were even taught, much less understand.
And when something goes wrong with my computer, I fix it.

Posted by: brite at October 1, 2009 5:40 PM

I would very much like for everyone to relax and stop sniping at each other.
We have a diverse group of individuals making up this community and it pains me to see this much anger being vented.
We each have our accomplishments and failures.
We each have faults and virtues.
And who am I kidding?
I am standing on the shoreline, screaming at the ocean.
Nevermind.

Posted by: Spender at October 1, 2009 5:45 PM

Sorry Brite. Of course its all you. None of us could even wipe our asses in the morning without you having invented hands and toilet paper for us.
And of course, no one of my generation was sitting around at age 9 writing programs in BASIC and learning the fundamentals of computing. Nope, we were all waiting for you guys to make it GUI for us. Thanks for that. We really appreciate you.
And we appreciate the mess of an economy and environment you left us to inherit. You guys rock! I can't imagine why any of us feel bitter or stymied by your guys.

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 6:03 PM

Whoa brite, you seem pretty feisty! I'm sad that you'll probably die soon.

Posted by: becks at October 1, 2009 6:06 PM

@becks

Brite won't ever die! Her generation invented immortality (and that odd phenomenon of misspelling common words like light as lite, night as nite, etc.)

Posted by: Froggy at October 1, 2009 6:13 PM

There's no use arguing with Baby Boomers, they have too much time on their hands. We'll talk about this later when their program about National Parks comes on. (They don't know how to use DVR so they're forced to either watch it as it airs or tape over their VHS of the MASH finale. We've got them between a rock and a hard place.)

Posted by: becks at October 1, 2009 6:37 PM

Jesus... go wallow in how great y'all are a little longer. You don't stink enough of your own self-importance yet.

It's wonderful how y'all created everything from scratch though, without benefit of those who came before you, ain't it?

We'll just sit here, you know, quietly "pimping" all those Rascal scooters so they'll be ready for y'all and kissing your feet in thanks for all you've blessed us with.

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 6:39 PM

And yet, those fuzzy dice are all the internet my mom and dad can handle. So much for that wholesale boomer superiority.

Posted by: Froggy at October 1, 2009 6:41 PM

All this over Forrest [monkey-fighting] Gump? Can't we all just get along?

Posted by: MM at October 1, 2009 6:44 PM

At least it's better than it's completely bizarro knock off, The Curious Case of Benjamin Button.

Posted by: kelsy at October 1, 2009 6:46 PM

oh christ jeremy. Oldies are self-important, youngsters are reinventing the world. We've got it. How about getting Roman Polanski into the Centipede movei?

Posted by: patchfire at October 1, 2009 7:06 PM

Movei? French, cause im an in-between boomer and X-er.

Posted by: patchfire at October 1, 2009 7:10 PM

Oh, God.

This is the best review of Forrest Gump that I. Have ever. Read.

I actually want to go watch the movie again. Jesus.

Posted by: Jerce at October 1, 2009 7:11 PM

Jesus brite, you need to get over yourself. Too many years as a self-absorbed computer geek have gone to your head. I think Spender summed it up best.

And hey, don't knock that National Parks documentary! I'm of the gen X persuasion, and I've really been enjoying that series.

Posted by: katy at October 1, 2009 7:18 PM

@patchfire

If only... oh god, if only...

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 7:20 PM

The advantage youth has over age: perky tits.

Youth:1 Age:0

Posted by: becks at October 1, 2009 7:23 PM

What about when you are old enough to feel the aches and pains of age every morning, but still stuck in jobs with no mobility because the economy is shit and the boomers won't retire?

I think a lot of us late 30s/early 40s Xers are in that category.

Posted by: Froggy at October 1, 2009 7:23 PM

Becks, don't forget buns of steel (not to be confused with tight asses).

Posted by: Froggy at October 1, 2009 7:25 PM

*pokes Che with a stick*

Posted by: Jeremy at October 1, 2009 7:27 PM

No Froggy, it was Gen X that wanted Buns of Steel. I'm Gen Y, our buns are rounder and more supple.

Posted by: becks at October 1, 2009 7:31 PM

See? Now we can be friends.

Posted by: patchfire at October 1, 2009 7:33 PM

Loved this movie when I first saw it, loved it every single one of the 50 times I've seen it since. I will always love it and I don't give a shit what anyone thinks of that. It's sweet, and funny, and if you hate it you are clearly soulless and hate America. Or something. I really don't care. I will always love this movie.

Posted by: figgy at October 1, 2009 7:46 PM

I watched this movie at LEAST 15 times when it came out when I was 14. I still like it but that's probably because I hated the book so much that in comparison the movie is magnificent. Seriously, I cannot stress this enough.. Do NOT read the book. It will make you want to punch things.

Posted by: Kiddo at October 1, 2009 7:57 PM

Oh, it's so very popular and hip to to hate this movie around here, so much so that we need an entire review telling us just how much we're supposed to hate on a movie that came out, what, like 15 years ago? GET OVER IT PEOPLE. It's a good movie, and no one thinks you're subversive or "thinking outside the box" because you claim it's so terrible. It's well made, tells an interesting story, has an amazing soundtrack, and is, dare I say, heartwarming. Not because it's about a "retard with a heart of gold." Not because it throws him into these landmark events. It's about friendship and love and coming home, and how sometimes your family and your home are the last ones you would ever wish for or expect. It still moves me every time I watch it, and I'm not one of your "middle America Wal-Mart shoppers" that you so love to condemn here. Even though I am. But that has nothing to do with my love of this movie. Either you people try way too hard to be cool or your hearts are made of stone.

Posted by: tinmo at October 1, 2009 9:22 PM

Wow, it got all *kinds* of self-righteous up in this thread, dinnit?

Now I'm kind of glad I've never seen it.

Posted by: Anna von Beaverpuppet at October 1, 2009 10:21 PM

figgy, I'm so glad to see you that I can ignore your comment completely. Are you still away? I read the police are clearing out Zelaya's supporters - are things settling down?

Posted by: Cindy at October 1, 2009 10:28 PM

I hated this movie too, when i first saw it. I've skipped past other comments, out of fear of losing my train of thought, and I'm writing because I hope the author of the piece reads this:

I agree with you, and I thank you, for putting this to screen. Its a strange film, and I read the book too, and felt as though both the film and book were just about this silly stupid guy, and good for him, but i don't really care. It wasn't until a few years later, when i was visiting my parents, drinking maybe too much wine, after they went to bed, that i saw this film again on their cable and was was moved incredibly, and indescribably.

well, i think you have put this to words brilliantly. it is a good movie, for reasons I don't think i understood fully at the time. I still think Shashank should have won the oscar that year, but whatever. Knowing that you understand is really helpful, especially at a time when I'm not sure my parents know what the fuck they're talking about anymore.

i deeply appreciate it. Viva pajiba! thanks for being a great site.

Posted by: amandita at October 2, 2009 12:16 AM

Amandita, I like you.

Posted by: Spender at October 2, 2009 2:29 AM

Not that it really matters, but I like categorizing things, and I've always heard the last Gen-Xer was born in '79. Being born in '85, that would make me a Gen-Yer (or Pepsi Generation, or Millennial, or Shit Sandwich, I don't really care). However, I want a new classification for '90 and beyond, because I don't know what the fuck is going on with them. You know, the ones that don't remember a world without the internet, fuzzy dice or otherwise.

Posted by: Ian at October 2, 2009 2:31 AM

Ian, let's call them Generation O... the generation that used the internet to get a President elected and started talking politics in ways that no generation befor ever has.
My daughter talks to kids in Iran every day (when they can get on).
She talks to a couple of kids in Botswana, several in Germany and at least five in Australia.
They can change the world... if they want to.
Let's encourage them, eh?

Posted by: Spender at October 2, 2009 3:19 AM

I'm an end-time Boomer (63) and I have to admit, I kinda love this movie. Wait, WAIT....before you start throwing things at me, let me explain. I love it because Forrest & JEENAAAAY's fucked up relationship sorta mirrors one I had for years and years, and the Forrest in my world and I went to see this together.

Jeezus pleasus Godtopus hooters, I never put this much THOUGHT into the movie. I just like the music and the thought that Mr. Wrong kept taking me back after I would traipse around and do stupid shit and then come back.

And how many great stupid lines are in this movie? Please, I can make fun of people 40 different ways with lines from this movie. So, yeah, I can turn my brain off (a daily occurence working for the State) and enjoy it. I'll leave it to all you edumacated Pajibans to figure out the socio-political historic significance of it. I just want funny & popcorn.

Posted by: dammitjanet at October 2, 2009 8:57 AM

As one of those fresh young (screwed) graduates of 2009 working for dollars over minimum wage, all I have to say is: fuck you, boomers. Fuck you until you bleed.

Posted by: Dingles at October 2, 2009 10:04 AM

brite is one of the most perfect examples of the Boomer generations. Convinced that her generation is the most wonderful amazing generation EVER and that no one who comes after her is capable of anything.

It's exactly that self-entitled, smug attitude in the boomers that I got sick of many years ago.

EVERY generation has good and bad, EVERY generation makes contributions and has burnouts. I didn't read carefully enough to see if this happened, but usually a boomer will bring up the Paris Hilton defense: y'all are just JEALOUS OF US! Makes me laugh every time, because no, I don't suddenly want to be in my 60s, hee.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at October 2, 2009 10:33 AM

@Spender: I'll get on board whn theiy stop splelling thngs liek ths. Of course, if your daughter is capable of communicating, she gets a pass.
Maybe it's just jealousy, but I never expected that I would be passed by culture at such a young age simply because I express my ideas in complete literate thoughts. Or maybe I'm just Super-Pedant, the most annyoing superhero of all time.

Posted by: Ian at October 2, 2009 10:50 AM

Did I actually read on this thread that the human centipede goes on and on? That's pretty damn funny.

Posted by: mrcreosote at October 2, 2009 10:55 AM

I love how boomers just expand their generation to try to encompass all of the advancements of recent years. Civil rights in the 50's and 60's- BOOMERS! Womens' rights in the 70's- Boomers! Technical advances in the 90's- Boomers! Keeping the country safe from terrorists- Boomers! If this keeps up the boomers will still be saving the world long into the next millennium. Thank God us x-ers can continue to slack off with all those old ass people around to take care of us. Good thing they've also invented immortality and mortgage-backed securities.

Posted by: ShannonAnn at October 2, 2009 11:40 AM

I love that while it's likely that nothing I do in life will be world changing I can still claim greatness from all the true visionaries that happened to be born within a certain timespan of myself.

Posted by: Orser at October 2, 2009 12:45 PM

@Orser

Amen!

Posted by: Jeremy at October 2, 2009 5:57 PM

This is one of my favorite movies ever. I think it is a beautiful take on innocence, friendship, devotion, family, and love, and I could give less of a shit about what it means politically. I have seen it countless times and I always connect deeply with the characters. I cry my eyes out over Forrest's Mama, Buba, Jenny, and Lieutenant Dan every damn time.

Oh, and I'm 28 and have no beef with my parents' generation. Every new generation thinks they're much more interesting, ground-breaking, and less-flawed than they actually are. I'm sure when my generation is running everything in a decade or two, we'll fuck some things up pretty good too. I'm sure I, personally, will fuck some things up in my own little corner of the universe. Such is human nature. Don't hate on the aging hippies for failing to achieve everlasting world peace or keep the country in a perfect economic condition.

Posted by: tt_marie at October 2, 2009 5:59 PM

When I was a teenager and this movie came out, I hated it. I hate it's schlock and sentimentality and overindulgence of nostalgia.

A few years later, after seeing the Madness of King George, I hated it even more. As a coworker of mine once said, "The Brits make a fucking amazing movie that wins just about every award in the free world, and it gets completely ignored for some retard hell bent on making some Boomers feel good"

After growing up some more, and having studied some history, I saw it again. And I enjoyed it. It's not the movie I thought it was (nor is it the movie that most people think it is, either).

And then, later, I had another conversation with some friend about history. According to my research (if anyone gets that, I will love you forever). . ., and according to the kid who's dad was a hippie (and both had just seen Hair and hated it), the 60's/70's were not exactly that free flowing a time. And the hippies were middle class, misogynistic assholes. Which makes sense, since they all became bankers in the 80's.

Posted by: Rowen at October 2, 2009 10:31 PM

Well said, tinmo.

Cindy Just got back! Kind of out of it right now, though.

Posted by: figgy at October 2, 2009 11:15 PM

The mystery masked man was smart, he got himself a Tonto. His Tonto did the dirty work for free.

But Tonto, he was smarter, and one day said, "Kimosabe, kiss my ass, I bought a boat, I'm going out to sea."

Posted by: Lucas at October 3, 2009 12:44 PM

To ROWEN (sorry for caps don't know how to bold): "according to my research,"

-Dorothy Anne from the Magic School Bus?

And since I just referenced the Magic School Bus, I'm sure you can tell that I'm not a boomer.

I found this review pretty damn interesting, partly because this movie happened to be on tv last night when I came home. I'd seen it maybe twice before, and I never loved it or hated it. It was always just a fun little movie about a guy that unknowingly participated in so many things in history. But last night I got really irritated at it because I realized for the first time that it really had that whole "Tom Hanks movie" thing going. Like everyone who made that movie just knew it was so poignant was it was so hollow.

The only moment that got me a little was when Forrest meets his son and asks if he is smart. (The only things that make shed a little tear in movies are war, sports, and father-son relationships, so yeah.)

It's not a bad movie, and I never really thought about it politically. But I was two when it came out, and I didn't actually see it until long after that. So I never knew about the Oscar thing.

For it to be nominated at all, let alone beat out Shawshank AND Pulp Fucking Fiction????

In the words of my apparently worthless generation, WTF!?!

Posted by: PatG at October 4, 2009 1:32 AM

I didn't mind it but I found the Porno version much better FOREST HUMPS

Posted by: Forest Hump at October 4, 2009 7:01 PM

thanks Spencer! I like you, too!

I know bitchy is fun and the tagline, but pajiba? really?
you're so cool.

Posted by: amandita at October 4, 2009 9:00 PM

I have given up.
Love,
Spender

Posted by: Spender at October 5, 2009 4:30 AM

waaaaoooopsssssss


and now i'm silenced and silly. the wine really is trouble.....


SPENDER SPENDER SPENDER forgive me. i am done now.

Posted by: amandita at October 5, 2009 10:31 PM

"Brite", your comments demonstrate that you completely missed the point of the movie, as well as that of Wilson's essay. You know, your supposed Boomer brilliance notwithstanding.

(It's true that every generation believes itself to be the center of the universe. Yet, I don't think there has ever been a generation quite as mired in megalomania and self-aggrandizement as the Boomers.)

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