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Do I Look Like I'm Joking?

By Drew Morton | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (43)



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When Dustin informed me of Pajiba’s films of the 1980s retrospective, I was a little ambivalent to write on one of the first films I remember seeing theaters, Tim Burton’s Batman (1989; I think the honor for the first film I saw in a theater was Who Framed Roger Rabbit). First, Burton’s iconic film has been a defining element of our culture, inspiring a glut of thoughtful, scholarly analysis (two of my favorite texts are the anthology The Many Lives of Batman and Will Brooker’s Batman Unmasked); how can one approach the film with a fresh perspective? Secondly, I’ve been living and breathing comic books for years now, particularly Batman titles, so I was a little burned out when it came to thinking and writing about the film. Thanks a lot, Christopher Nolan! Yet, I realized that my runner-up title, the seldom seen but incredibly funny Ruthless People (1986), didn’t quite do the retrospective justice. So, in typical Pajiba fashion, albeit a-typical when it comes to my approach to reviews, I decided to write a real-time review with my favorite drink in hand: a Captain and Coke. So, in the words of Michael Keaton’s Bruce Wayne, “Let’s get nuts!”

1:00: What ever happened to Robert Wuhl (Reporter Alexander Knox in the film)? Oh, that’s right, “Arli$$.”

1:30: Batman obviously earned Warner Brothers a huge return on their investment: $411 million worldwide for an alleged $35 million production budget. It seems, in retrospect, that a film adaptation was the natural course of action for WB to take, especially given that they owned the property outright thanks to a series of corporate mergers during the 1970s. Shockingly, this was not the case. The “Batman” television show (1966-1968) cast a long, pop art-infused, camp shadow over the property and, after the big budget failures of a series of superhero films in the 1980s (some more campy than others) such as Howard the Duck (1986), WB apparently had cold feet. According to animator and Batman comic book writer Paul Dini, Frank Miller’s iconic title The Dark Knight Returns (1986) helped change that conception of the Caped Crusader.

6:40: Speaking of hindsight being 20/20, Michael Keaton’s casting as the superhero was controversial to say the least. The Wall Street Times ran an article entitled “Mr. Mom is Batman?” and the Los Angeles Times ran a piece of angry mail from a reader who felt that Keaton’s comedic persona was more fitting for the Joker than the brooding, dark knight. Allegedly, poor fan reaction forced WB to release an early trailer to allay fan fears. They also brought Batman creator Bob Kane in as a creative consultant.

10:22: Gotham City is such a pit in this movie. Not that Chris Nolan’s version is heavenly, but what the hell draws people to this town? The slew of jobs available at Axis Chemicals?

12:00: The producers of the film tried to position the film in contrast to the Adam West series. They publicly proclaimed that West would not be cast in the title role and the casting of Jack Nicholson as Jack Napier/TheJoker, similar to that of Marlon Brando in the first Superman film, was meant to draw both legitimacy and prestige to the title. Nicholson, I believe, drew a small salary in exchange for a profit participation deal. Pun intended, he probably made a killing.

14:10: Vicki Vale (Kim Basinger): “I like … bats.”

15:00: Burton and Nolan obviously took different routes to aspects of the Batman mythology…. Yet, the mise-en-scène of both directors seems to draw its inspiration from film noir. Their approach to the actors, however, is a study of contrasts…

18:14: Sean Young was supposed to play Vicki Vale. Picture that for a moment.

19:10: R.I.P. Pat Hingle (Commission Gordon).

19:30: Harvey Dent (Billy Dee Williams) is one suave, Colt .45 drinkin’ motherfucker.

20:49: My wife on Vicki Vale’s white cocktail dress: “Is she going to a wedding?”

22:45: I wish Bruce Wayne would give me a writing grant.

23:40: I forgot this film starts pre-Bat Signal. (Needless to say, it’s been a while.) Wayne still needs to use his detective skills to track cases…

24:51: I’m picturing Nicholson with that hoagie right about now…

26:43: I think Axis Chemicals violates nearly every code enforced by OSHA…

27:13: The infamous around-the-corner backhand. Nicely timed, Mr. Wayne!

29:17: I know it goes up against the Batman mythology, but I didn’t really mind Jack Napier creating Batman creating the Joker. Many Batman comic book titles are about how the existence of both characters is contingent on the other, so it makes perfect sense here. The only misstep I found in the film is that Batman kills him off at the end. The Killing Joke anyone?

32:12: Bruce Wayne’s huge dining table. Maybe Billy Dee needs to give him some lady advice.

35:13: I don’t think Botox will fix that grin.

39:13: Bruce Wayne hangs like a bat when he sleeps. Guess he won’t be keeping that secret identity for long!

39:49: Hoot…hoot…hoot! Anyone else think Burton’s version satisfies fans of the original television series and Miller fans? After all, there’s even something a little campy about the later Miller titles (Anyone else try to read All-Star Batman and Robin?).

41:11: Case in point: “Honey, you’ll never believe what happened to me today!”-The Joker to Jerry Hall.

42:30: And singing during an electrocution.

43:03: One of the great aspects of Brooker’s book is that he contextualizes the campiness of Batman. For Brooker (as director Joel Schumacher also noted when he took over the franchise), many of the Batman titles of the 60s drifted away from the dark toned Golden Age titles to camp. For some historians and comic book scholars, this was a reaction to Fredric Wertham’s intervention and the establishment of the Comics Code. Overall, the tonal approach to Batman has been far from static over the past 71 years.

49:33: All this talk about Wertham makes me want to re-read Michael Chabon’s The Amazing Adventures of Kavalier and Clay.

50:00: Death by pen!

51:21: Batman was the Karate Kid (1984) of my childhood. I dressed up like the Joker for many a Halloween, Batman came to my 8th or 9th birthday party, and I had one of the coolest handheld games ever: a Tiger Electronics Batwing game that my parents made me return because I was a tad too young for it (I think they thought it was overly complicated for me). They also took away my cassette of Prince’s soundtrack. No “Pussy Control,” mum and dad?

55:03: Not to harp on my parent’s parenting abilities, but those choices were made by the same people who allowed my 5 year old brother to rent another ’80s staple, Robocop (1987). After all, the film inspired a cartoon show and a toy line, how couldn’t it be kid friendly? I had ED-209 nightmares for years.

56:47: I had a poster of Joker on that beach. Jesus, I must have blown an allowance that added up to a small country’s GDP on Batman merch. You’re welcome, Jack Nicholson!

58:09: Great sight gag: News anchors stop using make-up because of fears of Joker products. Pimply faced, frizzy haired anchors on Channel 7. Thank God there wasn’t HDTV back in 1989. High-def acne baby!

61:00: I seem to recall when word came out that Heath Ledger had been cast as the Joker that there were a slew of concerns that he couldn’t top Nicholson. Yet, he did, brilliantly. Now, Nolan and fans do not want to even bother exploring the option of re-casting the late Ledger. Obviously, much of this decision has to do with honoring the legacy of Heath, which I appreciate. Yet, I think it could be done tastefully. First, Joker is known for continually re-inventing himself (see Grant Morrison’s latest incarnation of the character), so a slight shift in continuity could be sold, even in Nolan’s reality bound universe. Secondly, Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Johnny Depp could both make the role their own while paying homage. But, that’s just my humble opinion. I love the Joker and I’d hate to see his character left behind.

62:00: There’s a Prince song now!

65:00: Speaking of the Joker, many critics of Burton’s film tend to argue that he gets his villains better than he does his heroes. I think Keaton’s Wayne gets his shining moments (the scene at Vale’s apartment later), but that’s the nature of Batman. Everything he does is a reaction. For instance, if Vicki Vale had just been sitting at lunch some asshole, he wouldn’t have shown up as a jealous lover. It takes a kidnap attempt to bring Batman out of the woodwork, even if he has feeling for someone.

70:05: I wonder what would happen if I said this to a beautiful woman: “See that thing on my belt? Grab it and don’t let go.”

72:00: Never ask a woman what she weighs, Batman!

72:35: I think this scene was used for a Taco Bell commercial way back in the day. I love Danny Elfman’s score here though.

73:13: Who prefers Burton’s Batmobile to Nolan’s Tumbler? I’m a Tumbler man myself, although the gas mileage on that beast probably sucks.

75:32: Batman’s Cave needs a re-model. They have flat-screen, HD monitors now. Plus, that computer looks like a Tandy-2000. And is that a data tape deck? Is Bruce Wayne a billionaire or a hobo?!

80:00: This movie rushes the Wayne/Vale relationship, which feels all the more awkward considering where Batman Returns (1992) goes with it: nowhere.

82:38: Favorite line of the film coming up…

83:15: Ray Bans, a Leather Coat, and Fedora simply are not menacing pieces of attire. Sorry, Tracey Walter (Bob the Goon).

84:10: …”Never rub another man’s rhubarb!”

85:11: Why didn’t Bruce stay and explain? This reeks of unnecessary drama to me!

86:18: So, two of the top reporters in Gotham City were unaware that the family Bruce Wayne, two of the city’s richest citizens with a long lineage in town, were murdered? Guess that says a lot for the credibility of the Gotham Gazette.

88:24: I love how Gotham’s mayor can “see” Joker’s pirated broadcast while at his own press conference. This sequence feels like it partially paved the way for Ang Lee’s stylistic exploration of the comic book multi-frame in Hulk (2003).

89:55: When I was a kid, I took an old phone book and a binder to create my own folder of “Gotham City Unsolved Crimes.” Yeah, I was a geek.

90:30: So the Wayne family didn’t go see a Zorro film on that fateful night?

92:15: And the big reveal: Jack Napier killed Wayne’s parents. I think, in theory, it ties up nicely but that Burton didn’t get the most baggage out of the connection. Mainly because he de-rails it with this scene of Vicki Vale in the Batcave. What the hell was Alfred thinking? The two of them have only been dating for a couple months!

94:05: That suit doesn’t have any nipples!

99:45: Maybe Burton’s film helps terrorists. Couldn’t Al-Qaeda use Macy’s Thanksgiving Day balloons for a similar purpose? Or was that a subplot of that Tom Clancy novel Rainbow Six?

103:27: Joker nonchalant shooting of Bob might be the most villainous act he commits in the film.

104:30: Batman’s targeting system on the Batwing look’s like Rodney Dangerfield’s pimped out putter in Caddyshack (1980).

104:50: That’s some magnum force there! Why can’t they make a pistol like that for Call of Duty?

106:00: The film is slowing down for a moment to breathe. I think I’ll pour myself another C&C.

106:42: The C&C Music Factory is back online, although Joker and Vicki are still walking up that huge flight of stairs. Was this a Catholic Church?

107:27: Speaking of that Church, does anyone remember the last level of the Batman NES game. That game was tough, but not nearly as eye-gouging as Back to the Future. At least Arkham Asylum made up for all of those games in-between.

110:20: I’m running out of steam here. Where’s the fight with the previously unestablished villain who looks like Mr. T?

111:00: Oh, we get the ninja guy first.

111:20: And the guy who dove through the floor.

111:40: Here he is! Mr. T, he isn’t. This guy’s more like Jim Brown.

113:00: Now I have that song “Ring My Bell” by Anita Ward stuck in my head.

114:20: So Napier likes it when a woman kisses his suit coat? How un-erotic is that?

114:40: The delivery of Batman’s dialogue upon entrance into the scene is a bit off. That Keaton’s a Joker! Oh, wait. Beetlejuice… Beetlejuice! BEETLEJUICE!

116:20: Nicholson does some great eye acting here as he acknowledges his close call on the roof of the church. Michael Keaton, on the other hand, is an eye brow actor.

117:43: Doesn’t Gotham City PD have any back up or air support? Where the hell are the cops at?

118:27: An obvious use of symbolism: Batman grapples a Bat-like Gargoyle to the Joker’s foot, which proves the root of his demise. Killed by Batman twice over.

119:30: I thought Nolan’s homage to this sequence finally put right the relationship between Batman and Joker. Batman may occasionally kill (especially in the earliest issues), but even when Joker is at his most insane (Moore’s Killing Joke) there is a mutual respect between the two of them.

120:00: There’s the Bat Signal!

121:45: Again, it just seems like a big middle-finger to fans of the first film to establish the Wayne/Vale relationship and to relatively ignore it in the second film. Boo! Despite it’s missteps though, Burton’s film is still a hell of a good time.


Drew Morton is a Ph.D. student in Cinema and Media Studies at the University of California-Los Angeles. His criticism and articles have previously appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel, the UWM Post, Flow, Mediascape, The Playlist, and Senses of Cinema. He is the 2008 and 2010 recipient of the Otis Ferguson Award for Critical Writing in Film Studies.









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Comments

Michael Keaton...Batman...

Jeez, that still rankles me 30 years later.

Posted by: abliac at September 1, 2010 2:14 PM

I loved this movie and have disavowed all sequels.
My thanks to C. Nolan for finally getting it right and reestablishing the franchise.

Posted by: Spender at September 1, 2010 2:36 PM

Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Johnny Depp could both make the role their own while paying homage.

While I agree, I find it interesting that your two choices are so drastically apart in age. I get tired of Depp's Burtonisms, so I would say JGL ATWATS.

Posted by: Patty O'Green at September 1, 2010 2:38 PM

Burton's Batmobile looks like The Batmobile! Nolan's "Tumbler" looks like a giant black yam.

Posted by: Case at September 1, 2010 2:41 PM

The movie has aged horribly. Nicholson's performance was beyond chew the scenery bad, it was the single most awful Kabuki barf ever perptarted on stage or screen in the history of the universe.

The lighting in the movie was for shit, apparently they spent the entire budget on the sets and had to use flashlights for lighting.

There are so many cringe worthy horrible scenes and dialogue, but perhaps the wabsolute worst is Jokers assault on the art museum. Art musuems are supposed to be brightly lit so you can y'know, actually SEE the art. But in Gotham City, it's darker then a fucking dungeon. Add in the ghetto blaster blasting out inane music that only faggots like, and the henchmen spraypainting the walls and paintings, ... ... fuck it, the movie has aged horribly and does not hold up at all.

Posted by: The Mad fapper at September 1, 2010 2:42 PM

While I was a great fan of the 80's Batman movie concept; even at the time the execution left me tepid.

I don't think it's heresy to point out the obvious...Keaton was simply too short, too scrawny, and too saddled with his comedic background to give the Batman character any real weight as a superhero. Val Kilmer was actually the best Bat in an unfortunately terrible sequel.

Bale has his own minor issues with the role but at least he doesn't look like a balding runt playing dress-up with rubber muscles.

Posted by: Barry at September 1, 2010 2:44 PM

I want to hug you, Drew Morton. Your childhood self and my childhood self should hang out in an alternate timeline.

Posted by: superasente at September 1, 2010 2:45 PM

Secondly, Joseph Gordon-Levitt or Johnny Depp could both make the role their own while paying homage.

No doubt.

But I thought the rumour on the streets was that JGL was going to play The Riddler in the next Nolan film...

Posted by: Lennon at September 1, 2010 2:47 PM

What about John Hamm as Bruce Wayne/Batman? he certainly has the looks, and the build, and the voice, and the gravitas.

Posted by: The Mad Fapper at September 1, 2010 2:51 PM

That was a great RTR and a nice little history lesson for those of us not quite as geeky. I did however see this movie four times that summer and bought the book with all the bat-gadgets in it so I won't say I was not geeky at all.

Posted by: admin at September 1, 2010 2:54 PM

No one is saying that the Joker won't or shouldn't be played by another actor some day. He obviously will be. People are just saying (and Chris Nolan has confirmed) that the Joker should not be played by anyone else in Nolan's series because there's no way it wouldn't be incredibly, movie-shatteringly distracting.

Posted by: Yutan at September 1, 2010 3:04 PM

Captain & Coke, what a pedestrian, uninspired drink. Get a new drink, you unoriginal bastard.

Posted by: the new transported man at September 1, 2010 3:30 PM

What is with all of the trolls today? Gleesh...

Posted by: Patty O'Green at September 1, 2010 3:41 PM

And I bring Troll Knowledge. Bad rum + HFCS fizzy water do not a good drink make. OPEN YOUR MIND, QUAID

Posted by: the new transported man at September 1, 2010 3:46 PM

I just heard Jon Hamm's voiceover on a Mercedes commercial. I don't think he has the voice for it. But if he goes with Bale's "I went to Monsters of Rock last night" Batvoice, no one will be able to tell.

Posted by: Three-nineteen at September 1, 2010 4:02 PM

I haven't been able to fully re-watch this for about a decade. "Batman Returns", on the other hand, holds up incredibly well. A sequel that is far and away superior to its predecessor. Gotham (hello budget increase) had a HUGE makeover and it looked great. The acting is better, the characters are more drawn out, the script is better. It's a bold sequel that doesn't get the love it deserves.

Posted by: Barnes78 at September 1, 2010 4:14 PM

There were some Batman watches that were supposed to come out in the wake of this movie and my dad was involved in making a commercial mock-up for them. They put one of Michael Keaton's gloves in the commercial, but then they decided not to make the watches or something and it all fell apart. But they let my dad keep the glove as a thanks for putting the time in on the project. And it was a real glove from the movie; there's a shot inside the Batplane where you can see the glove pretty well, with studs on the palm, and we had that glove. When he passed away we couldn't find the glove. I have no idea what happened to it. I still contemplate suicide whenever I think of it.

Posted by: Todd at September 1, 2010 4:23 PM

This and Batman Returns are fun flicks.

Dated? Of course they are. Do people honestly believe Nolan's movies will hold up in 20 years? Of course they won't. There's absolutely nothing wrong with movies being dated or being products of their time.

Posted by: HoJu at September 1, 2010 4:33 PM

NIce REVIEW!

I still like the original BATMAN but after THE DARK KNIGHT it feels pretty MEH. Jack's Joker now looks like he is trying to follow Ledger.

Posted by: junierizzle at September 1, 2010 4:34 PM

Bob's death was foreshadowed by the Joker's reuse of the line "You are my number one guy."

I think this is a very fun and quotable movie. As such, yes, I'd sooner re-watch it than either Batman Begins or The Dark Knight. I realize I'm in the minority on that one.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at September 1, 2010 5:33 PM

Nice, now please follow through and do a review of Ruthless People? That movie is fantastic.

Posted by: jesstastic! at September 1, 2010 5:44 PM

I thought V.V. was a free lance photographer not a Gotham city reporter.

Posted by: John W at September 1, 2010 5:48 PM

I don't get all the concern over Keaton's Batman. As far as I can tell NO ONE has played Batman well yet. The Dark Knight was incredible because of everyone BUT Bale.

Posted by: Paul at September 1, 2010 6:29 PM

I fucking hate this movie. Aside from Nicholson.

I seriously cannot understand the desire to perpetuate the saturday morning version style that essentially mocks the actual Batman storyline and characters. Yeah, if you were a fan in the 60s maybe, but the heart of Batman was always that darkness, that antithesis to antiseptic Superman.

Oh wait, Tim Burton. nvm

Posted by: Protoguy at September 1, 2010 7:07 PM

i remember the excitement when this came out . . .remember when comic book movies weren't every other movie?

my friends all loved it, i walked out wanting my money back. i think i am easier to please these days, i've been worn down over the years.

Posted by: idleprimate at September 1, 2010 7:54 PM

I had so much merchandise from this movie it makes me sick to think how much money my parents spent on me. I agree this movie has not aged well but I grew up with it and for that it will always be one of my favorites. I guess I used to cry uncontrollably during the last scene and my mom would have to rewind the tape for me so I could watch it again.

"Where does he get those wonderful toys?"

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Posted by: blackwhiteromance.com at September 1, 2010 9:21 PM

I have never been more pumped for a movie than I was when this opened in '89. And I liked it then. I thought the design elements were all really cool, and I thought both Keaton and Nicholson did a good job. I did have several major issues with the Burton movies, and now find them pretty painful to watch since Nolan & Co. addressed each of these issues in a much better way:

1. Joker killing Bruce Wayne's parents was freaking ridiculous. For starters, once the Joker is eliminated it should logically remove (or at least diminish) Batman's motivation for crimefighting. I would rather he never found out who killed his parents. I did like the way they addressed it in Batman Begins where he doesn't get closure and gains an understanding that his parents fell victim to something larger than just one man.

2. Batman killing people. He kills one of the Joker's henchmen in the bell tower, he tries to kill the Joker with the Batwing (I have no idea how he failed there), and it could be said that he did kill the Joker by lashing him to the gargoyle statue the way he did. In Batman Returns, I seem to remember him setting a guy on fire with the Batmobile, and stuffing explosives into another guy's pants (I think we hear the explosion happen off screen.) There may be more, but those are the ones I remember. The best part of BB for me was when Ra's tries to get Bruce to execute the criminal and he refuses. Even in Miller's The Dark Knight Returns Batman refused to kill the Joker. His "one rule" is that important to the character.

3. Batman exposing his identity to every woman he gets into a relationship with. To be fair, in Batman I think it was Alfred who let her into the Batcave, but Bruce had already tried to confess his secret identity to her once, only to be interrupted by the Joker. In BR, he exposes himself to Catwoman and Max Schreck. If he was operating on the assumption that both would survive, he just ended his career as Batman for a woman he literally just met and barely knew. He did reveal his identity to Rachel in BB, but that made a little more sense given that they had know each other for, I don't know, close to 30 years.

Sorry to write a novel, but those things have been under my skin a while. Geek-out concluded (for now.)

Posted by: The Retronaut at September 2, 2010 12:32 AM

I loved everything about this review! :D

Also, I had the Batman poster and the Joker-on-a-beach poster. Also, the DVD upset me, because it didn't have: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1k0XoT5h0

YOU CAN'T WATCH A WARNER BROS. MOVIE WITHOUT A WARNER BROS. BALLCAP!

Posted by: duckandcover at September 2, 2010 1:06 AM

I had one of those catalogs...

Posted by: Drew Morton at September 2, 2010 1:11 AM

heh, now that was more like it.

seriously now, don't you want an Oracle movie? I would, but wonder if we're still like 12 years off before things like Batgirl, the Killing Joke, Black Canary, Huntress get origins to the plebes. And she obvs won't be getting any Nolan love, as she doesn't even get a name in Dark Knight.

Still, I can't wait to see what he has in store I would love a Deathstroke in the mix. I hope to hell there's no Robin. And if this is the last Batman from Nolan, I think they should forget having the Joker get more than a wideshot cameo.

Posted by: Jackseppelin at September 2, 2010 1:32 AM

I love this movie. Thanks for the funny insights.

Posted by: Mick J at September 2, 2010 6:55 AM

I don't get all the concern over Keaton's Batman. As far as I can tell NO ONE has played Batman well yet. The Dark Knight was incredible because of everyone BUT Bale.

Posted by: Paul at September 2, 2010 9:46 AM

I love this movie. It's obviously dated, and it was campier than Nolan's takes, but it's a great film. It balanced darkness and campiness quite well. I was only 7 when it came out, so I didn't have any notion of who Micheal Keaton was...I had no idea people were upset by the casting. I liked him in it. I saw The Other Guys last week and Keaton looked so old in it and I kept thinking, I can't believe that's Batman!

Also, I wanted to BE Vicki Vale. Still do kind of.

Posted by: Katie at September 2, 2010 2:07 PM

Yeah, I tried to read All Star Batman. Then I had a stroke.

Posted by: Lucas at September 2, 2010 10:16 PM

the pacing, set design and tone veer too harshly between ponderously boring and manic for me, I never really enjoyed Batman that much.

But if I could only ever watch one Batman movie for the rest of my life it would be Batman Returns, I fucking love that thing. Pfeiffer is so sexy and has such great one-liners, and is a love-interest with her own actual story going on (shock! horror!). DeVito is hilarious and gross and tragic, and Christopher Walken, people!

I've still got the collectible cards hidden away and thinking of them even today brings me a little thrill of childish glee.

Posted by: nigeltde at September 3, 2010 12:08 AM

I loved Robert Wuhl in Bull Durham and Good Morning Vietnam.

Posted by: Brenton at September 3, 2010 10:33 PM

A few things. I remember the uproar over Keaton as Batman. It was quite the national story. Eventually it simmered down and Nicholson stole the movie, so it didn't really matter too much. The big thing I remember was Michael Keaton going on the Letterman show a couple of nights before Batman premiered and told all of America the big spoiler that the Joker killed Batman's parents in the movie. Keaton immediately realized he just screwed the pooch and said something like "I probably shouldn't have just said that," you could hear the crowd moan and I was ticked that he had just ruined that part of the movie for me as well.

Posted by: Jeff at September 4, 2010 12:49 AM

That movie really was the Star Wars of it's day. It was merchandised to hell and back (even before it came out) and it set the template for a genre. After Batman, anything that involved superheroes, whether it was on TV (The Flash, Batman TAS, even Darkwing Duck) or in the movies (Darkman, Dick Tracy, the Shadow, et al) mimicked the Batman aesthetic and had a Danny Elfman (or Elfmanish) score. And yesh, I knew a lot of people who had that Joker on the beach poster :P

Posted by: steve B. at September 4, 2010 7:59 AM

"For starters, once the Joker is eliminated it should logically remove (or at least diminish) Batman's motivation for crimefighting."

I keep hearing/reading this a lot, and I never understood the logic of that. If his sole motivation to fight crime was just to get his parents' killer, then that'd just make him pretty selfish wouldn't it? Additionally, he could catch the killer of his parents, bring him to justice, but it wouldn't neccesarily take away the trauma, much less bring back his parents.

Batman would continue to fight crime all the same because he wouldn't want anyone to experience what he did as a child.

Posted by: Jake W at September 9, 2010 1:42 PM

Burton's batmobile > Nolan's Tumbler, Burton's Batman feels more like a comic book movie (altho not very faithful to the source) whereas Nolan's Bats feel more like psycho thrillers.... Burton's Batman has more of that comic-y feel....

Posted by: Bob Uzumaki at September 15, 2010 9:01 AM

That throat cancer guy is okay as bats... george cleenex was pathetic as bats, val kilmer was pathetic at bats and keaton was mediocre as bats.... KEVIN CONROY IS THE BATMAN and bruce greenwood in Under the Red Hood was great too...

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