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10 Important Life Lessons I Learned from Watching Tyler Perry's Madea's Big Happy Family

By Dustin Rowles | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (53)



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1. If you want a woman to respect you, you have to put your foot down. You have to put the woman in her place. Threaten her with the back of your hand every once in a while, and you’ll have a long and loving marriage.

2. If you want your kids to respect you, then your wife has to respect you. If you want your wife to respect you, see lesson one, above.

3. In addition to keeping your wife in check, it’s important to slap your kids around every once in a while. Show them who is boss with your fist.

4. Don’t use your Baby-Daddy’s infant child as leverage to get him to come back to you. If he doesn’t love you, let him go. Don’t call the police and lie to them and say your Baby-Daddy is in arrears on his child support if he is not, bitch.

5. Don’t get involved with gold diggers. They’ll pressure you into slinging dope so you can afford a nice crib. Gold digging women are also apparently immune to the back of your hand. They are bad news. See lesson number ten, below.

6. Take some responsibility for your actions. Don’t whine about the economy. Don’t complain if you lose your minimum wage job because your Baby Momma had you locked up under false pretenses. Pick your ass up, get yourself a job, and be a motherfucking man.

7. If you were abused as a child, it’s important to let your man in emotionally. Don’t push him away. And don’t disrespect your mother, especially after she raised your child as her own and kept it as the family secret for 18 years. (Rule only applies to women of higher socioeconomic status).

8. If you’re over the age of 40, schedule regular doctor visits for colonoscopies and to have your prostate examined. If you lose blood, however, do not ask your child to donate, as it may put you in a position to have your paternity investigated on Maury Povich’s talk show.

9. Words that end in vowel sounds, like “Hello” and “Hallelujah” are far more amusing to the audience if you add an R to the end of those words, especially if you over-pronounce the R like “Hellooeeerrrr.”

10. If your relationship with a woman falters, as it inevitably will, call 1-800-Choke-a-Ho.

As for the movie itself? Tyler Perry is like the nemesis who has survived for so long that you come to respect his perseverance. And after as many Tyler Perry films as I have seen, I still don’t agree with his philosophies, but I can see his perspective. Obviously, I don’t agree with the misogyny or the violence (even if, in Madea’s Big Happy Family the violence is mostly threatened, and usually to elicit laughs), but the overriding message of Tyler Perry films is not that dissimilar to late-in-life Bill Cosby’s, only it’s more crass. Tyler Perry is basically saying to his audience: Pick your ass up. Stop whining. Stop blaming other people for your problems. Fix the relationships you can, get out of the ones you can’t. Put your faith in the church, but don’t expect the church to fix your life. Get a decent job. Respect your mother, and “be a motherfucking man.”

All in all, there are a lot worse ways at looking at life. See Atlas Shrugged.

Madea’s Big Happy Family, which is something like Perry’s 10th feature film in the last five years, is neither his worst effort nor his best. There’s a few laughs hidden beneath the broad stereotypes, and there’s some honest truths buried somewhere under the mounds of sexism. It plays to his audience, and is that such a bad thing? Kevin Smith has been playing to his audience for 15 years. The difference is: Tyler Perry’s audience is predominantly black and much, much larger.

In Big Happy Family, the always amazing Loretta Devine stars as Shirley, the family matriarch diagnosed with cancer with only weeks to live. Before she passes away, she wants to bring her entire family together for a nice dinner so that she can let her children know she is dying and enjoy one last time together as a family before she kicks it upstairs. It’s not as easy as it seems, however, because each time she brings her children together, they end up bickering about marriage, their children, or their jobs, and someone storms out in a huff before she gets the opportunity to reveal her secret.

Those children include Kimberly (Shannon Kane), the wealthy and cold-hearted bitch who is as mean to her mother as she is her husband, the doting Calvin (Isaiah Mustafa). The other daughter is Tammy (Natalie Desselle), who doesn’t respect her husband because he’s a push-over with both her and his children, who are spoiled little shits. Then there’s the son, Byron (Bow Wow), recently out of prison, trying to make a respectable buck to support to his infant while also attempting not to succumb to the pressures of his girlfriend, who wants him to sell drugs again so he can afford a nice place for the two to live.

Then, of course, there’s Madea (Tyler Perry), and despite the fact that her name is in the movie title, she’s usually a side-plot to the main storyline of her films, as she is here. She plays the sister to Shirley. She comes in and straightens everyone out in the end with a few harsh words and a couple of hellooeeers. And I’ll be honest: I like Madea in small doses, not for who she is, but for what she stands for: That take no-shit, fuck ‘em, take responsibility for your own actions, clean up your own mess attitude. Big Happy Family is the perfect vehicle for her; she gets to come in, steal a few scenes, and get out of the way before she wears out her welcome.

Is it a good movie? At a certain point, it’s just not for me to say anymore. Tyler Perry has a base, and his base doesn’t read reviews of his films, nor should they. Critics, by and large, hate them. His audience, by and large, loves them. (Over on RottenTomatoes, Big Happy Family has scored 35 percent from critics, and 90 percent from audiences). If they loved the last eight or nine movie, there’s no reason to believe his audience will think any less of this one, and some asshole with a blog is not going to change their mind. On the other hand, if you’ve never seen a Tyler Perry movie, and you’re simply curious, this is as good a place to start as any: It highlights all the positive aspects as well as the ugliness of Tyler Perry movies in equal measure. It’s a broad melodramatic comedy with all the subtlety of two-by-four to the junk, and it is, as all Perry movies are, degrading to women. But, refreshingly, it also cuts through all the Y-Gen coddle-me bullshit. It pleases the very crowd it’s designed to please with a few big laughs, an uplifting gospel number, and some shrill but blunt life-lessons delivered with the traumatic force of an aneurysm. Aside a couple of the themes, I didn’t care for it as a movie, but as an asshole with a blog, I’m not willing to speak for TP’s audience.









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Comments

Hmmm. That was a good opening serve, now let's see how Pookie does on the return.

Posted by: TylerDFC at April 25, 2011 11:49 AM

I swear I don't know why you continue subjecting yourself to these movies. Just change the names and titles (which is all Perry does) and save the $10.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 25, 2011 11:50 AM

It's a fact: TP is not going away anytime soon. He knows his audience and his genre so well, I almost have to respect him for giving his fans what they want every time, even if I don't agree with his message.

Posted by: bonnie at April 25, 2011 11:52 AM

"Kevin Smith has been playing to his audience for 15 years. The difference is: Tyler Perry’s audience is predominantly black and much, much larger."

Kevin Smith's audience is likely located, on average, about one standard deviation (SD) to the right on mean of the Bell Curve. Tyler's is SD from the mean to the left. There's nothing wrong with this; in fact, you laud Tyler for knowing his audience. He knows what he does and he does it well. And it doesn't appeal to the audience at Pajiba at all, whose profile is much closer to Smith's than it is to Perry's. So, yeah. That's why there's Fast/Furious 5. That's why Vin Diesel/The Rock are still employed. That's the big f**king difference. #realtalk

Posted by: Chris at April 25, 2011 11:57 AM

I was trying to figure out why I knew the name Isaiah Mustafa, and lo and behold, that's the Old Spice guy. So good for him for getting work, I guess.

Posted by: Todd at April 25, 2011 11:59 AM

Still not thrilled about him playing Alex Cross.

Posted by: daria at April 25, 2011 12:17 PM

Spike Lee just about summed up what this buffoon's deal is all about.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at April 25, 2011 12:34 PM

I'd consider seeing this solely for Mustafa, but I doubt his character here is anything like the Old Spice guy. Something tells me most of the doting goes the other direction in his case.

Also, I have no idea how to pronounce this word. "Hellooeeerrrr"
I'm thinking some kind Coach Z style Jorororbrrrrorb. (Great job Hamstray!)

Posted by: Socrates_Johnson at April 25, 2011 1:09 PM

I go see Tyler Perry's movies for principle. My hope is that if his movies continue to make money "maybe" the powers that be will make and greenlight MORE movies for black people. People can say all they want about him including spike lee, but at the end of the day he is the only one continously making movies for and about black people. I haven't watched many Kevin Smith movies, but i am SURE I can count the number of black people in them on one hand.

Posted by: blacksred at April 25, 2011 1:28 PM

I’ll get to you in a minute Rowles, but first let me address BSlim’s thoughts on Spike Lee as it relates to Tyler Perry. Spike Lee was Tyler Perry many years ago in that people couldn’t stand Spike’s take on race. The majority of the media didn’t like Spike or his movies; certainly suburbia didn’t go see his films. The same audience that supported Spike back in the day is the same audience that supports Tyler today, I should know because I support both. I like both of the directors and I like their films. They can’t all make the same film, nor should they try. I understand both directors’ viewpoints, but Spike has a short memory.

@Rowles

Great review Rowles, but I disagree with you when you say that Perry degrades women. Having never met Perry but has seen every movie he’s made. I can honestly say that his insight into the black woman is spot on, the movie “For Colored Girls” validated my reasoning. Having been raised by a black woman, and married to a black woman, and grew with black women. I can say without a doubt that Perry does not degrade women. Rowles, you look at the women in Perry’s movies through the lens of a man that has not socialized with black women beyond your daily routine, I, on the other hand look at them though the lens of them being a part of me. I know the way they talk, think, and communicate verbally and non-verbally. Your viewpoint as in relates to a black woman is from the outside looking in, mine is from the inside looking out. I think that most people view his characters literally, and that may be the problem, because every character ever developed on any film ever made is a composite of many characters. Tyler Perry did not become a billionaire by being stupid, nor is his audience stupid as some seem to think.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 1:39 PM

Translation: The movie is moronic, but I can't say that without coming off racist.

Posted by: Subtext at April 25, 2011 1:51 PM

At least it's not a feature film based on "Who's the boss."

Posted by: Blank at April 25, 2011 2:14 PM

I go see Tyler Perry's movies for principle. My hope is that if his movies continue to make money "maybe" the powers that be will make and greenlight MORE movies for black people. People can say all they want about him including spike lee, but at the end of the day he is the only one continously making movies for and about black people. I haven't watched many Kevin Smith movies, but i am SURE I can count the number of black people in them on one hand.

Posted by: blacksred at April 25, 2011 1:28 PM

Oh please blacksred don’t get me started on Smith. It’s funny how he escapes bad reviews here at pajiba or how his behavior away from film making is always excused, from his numerous run-ins with airport personal to his cry baby antics about not being able to get his movies financed or his phone calls returned. But hey, he’s one cool cat because he talks about fucking his old lady. Can’t keep a classy guy down for long I always say. I would hate to be the studio head that gives him his next rejection notice, because sooner or later Smith is going to go full metal jacket on someone.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 2:16 PM

Um, what? Smith has received no end of abuse on this site in the past year. So much so that, if I remember correctly, it was Smith who called Rowles "some asshole with a blog" after a bad review.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 25, 2011 2:59 PM

(hey Ian, this is a mistake)
(shhhh voice of reason, I got this)
Pookie, could I get more clarification on your point? It feels like you left out the part where you explain from your (decidely more informed) position why TP movies (with the exception of For Colored Girls... which was not his source material) are not degrading to women. You say Rowles' lens is different. True. Is it so different that he can't call out the idea of smacking bitches down as wrong no matter what their race? I'm really just asking, not fighting.

Posted by: Ian at April 25, 2011 3:02 PM

hey Ian, this is a mistake)
(shhhh voice of reason, I got this)
Pookie, could I get more clarification on your point? It feels like you left out the part where you explain from your (decidely more informed) position why TP movies (with the exception of For Colored Girls... which was not his source material) are not degrading to women. You say Rowles' lens is different. True. Is it so different that he can't call out the idea of smacking bitches down as wrong no matter what their race? I'm really just asking, not fighting.

Posted by: Ian at April 25, 2011 3:02 PM

When any black actress that has appeared in any of Perry’s films comes out and say that they felt degraded, that’s when I’ll jump on the “I hate Tyler Perry” bandwagon. And please don’t come at me with they needed a paycheck so they aren’t going to say anything negative about Tyler Perry. Now as far as smacking bitches down in his films, when Rowles calls out every director that has had bitches smacked down in their films then his argument will hold water. Ian your problem is that you want to hold Perry to a different standard, Perry didn’t invite bitches getting smacked down, but you want to hold him accountable. A white director can make a movie about white guys getting high all day, but strangely that director won’t have a answer any questions about race or making those white characters look like junkies. I’ll stop defending Perry when white directors start having to answer questions about race.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 3:55 PM

Um, what? Smith has received no end of abuse on this site in the past year. So much so that, if I remember correctly, it was Smith who called Rowles "some asshole with a blog" after a bad review.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 25, 2011 2:59 PM

What a surprise, I see you're defending Rowles again.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 3:57 PM

Well, I didn't understand any of that. Oh bother. I shall look for coherent answers elsewhere.

Posted by: Ian at April 25, 2011 4:09 PM

This is me rolling my eyes as hard as I possibly can.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at April 25, 2011 4:09 PM

I would like to just point out that while Perry may infer violence against women for comedic effect, Bruce Willis in the last Die Hard taunted his bad guy nemesis about it after going toe to toe with the "spicy asian". I find that WAY more offensive than what Perry has done.

Posted by: blacksred at April 25, 2011 4:33 PM

I would like to just point out that while Perry may infer violence against women for comedic effect, Bruce Willis in the last Die Hard taunted his bad guy nemesis about it after going toe to toe with the "spicy asian". I find that WAY more offensive than what Perry has done.

Posted by: blacksred at April 25, 2011 4:33 PM

blacksred don’t waste your time, hypocrisy in their minds is useful at times.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 5:00 PM

I don't think Tracer was so much "defending Dustin" as he was "stating easily-verifiable fact". Kevin Smith HAS taken quite a few lumps from Pajiba.

Posted by: Craig at April 25, 2011 6:30 PM

I don't think Tracer was so much "defending Dustin" as he was "stating easily-verifiable fact". Kevin Smith HAS taken quite a few lumps from Pajiba.

Posted by: Craig at April 25, 2011 6:30 PM


But the lumps I'm talking about is Smith or any other white director not having to answer questions about race. Tracer avoids the race question and goes about testifying that Smith has received the same level of lumps here as Perry has received. He would rather dismiss the race question as the expense of what he knows to be the truth.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 7:32 PM

Your viewpoint as in relates to a black woman is from the outside looking in, mine is from the inside looking out.


Gross, Pookie. Gross.

Posted by: superasente at April 25, 2011 7:40 PM

When any black actress that has appeared in any of Perry’s films comes out and say that they felt degraded, that’s when I’ll jump on the “I hate Tyler Perry” bandwagon.

Dude, they are actresses. They're not social paragons. They're in it for the paycheck (a paycheck you frequently note the rarity of). You know as well as anyone what happens to people who bitch about the movies they appear in; they stop getting cast. They stop getting paid.

Even if the actresses agreed that their character made them feel degraded they would never publically state that. It would be the end of their acting career.

Posted by: superasente at April 25, 2011 7:52 PM

When any black actress that has appeared in any of Perry’s films comes out and say that they felt degraded, that’s when I’ll jump on the “I hate Tyler Perry” bandwagon.

Dude, they are actresses. They're not social paragons. They're in it for the paycheck (a paycheck you frequently note the rarity of). You know as well as anyone what happens to people who bitch about the movies they appear in; they stop getting cast. They stop getting paid.

Even if the actresses agreed that their character made them feel degraded they would never publically state that. It would be the end of their acting career.

Posted by: superasente at April 25, 2011 7:52 PM


You must think I’m talking about some extra from the set of Glee. I’m talking about Whoopie Goldberg, Phylicia Rashad, Janet Jackson, Kimberly Elise, those are the black women I’m talking about. You think any one of them would let Perry do some degrading shit to them? Any one of them could say no to Perry without blinking an eye.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 8:13 PM

"All in all, there are a lot worse ways at looking at life. See Atlas Shrugged."

What a fucking moron.

Posted by: Jake Stone at April 25, 2011 8:28 PM

Janet Jackson grew up in a household notorious for it's abuse. Her idea of what constitutes serious abuse is probably a little stronger than yours and mine.

Phylicia Rashad I can see. She's probably rolling in scripts right now after all the work she did on...
hold on, I'm checking IMDB...
...Okay, I'm going to eat my words. She seems to be working quite a lot. Still, those paychecks from "It's All About Chris" can't be going that far.

Whoopie Goldberg came to the defense of Roman Polanski (it's not rape rape); she's hardly a sentry for women's rights.

These women might be respected for the most part. Phlicia Rashad definatly has that elegant matron thing going for her. But it's still their job to act. And smart people don't bitch about the boss where the boss can hear.

We should decide for ourselves what constitues a role that degrades women. Rowles thinks threats of violence (even in comedic context) are out of bounds. You don't agree. Neither of your is more right than the other and ultimatly I agree that it comes down to your perspective. But hinging your belief upon the opinion of the directors starlettes? Not a good foundation for your position.

Posted by: superasente at April 25, 2011 8:46 PM


Janet Jackson grew up in a household notorious for it's abuse. Her idea of what constitutes serious abuse is probably a little stronger than yours and mine.

Phylicia Rashad I can see. She's probably rolling in scripts right now after all the work she did on...
hold on, I'm checking IMDB...
...Okay, I'm going to eat my words. She seems to be working quite a lot. Still, those paychecks from "It's All About Chris" can't be going that far.

Whoopie Goldberg came to the defense of Roman Polanski (it's not rape rape); she's hardly a sentry for women's rights.

These women might be respected for the most part. Phlicia Rashad definatly has that elegant matron thing going for her. But it's still their job to act. And smart people don't bitch about the boss where the boss can hear.

We should decide for ourselves what constitues a role that degrades women. Rowles thinks threats of violence (even in comedic context) are out of bounds. You don't agree. Neither of your is more right than the other and ultimatly I agree that it comes down to your perspective. But hinging your belief upon the opinion of the directors starlettes? Not a good foundation for your position.

Posted by: superasente at April 25, 2011 8:46 PM

Ok, so one hasn’t worked in a long time. And one isn’t really into women’s rights. And the other is ok with abuse seeing as she grew up with abuse in the household. Are you saying that they wouldn’t know if they were being degraded, but somehow Rowles does? Are jokes by comediennes about females off limits, because they are degrading you know? Has your favorite comedienne ever told a dirty joke about another female, and did you stop listening now and forever? I’ll answer that for you, hell no. I’ll ask you the same questions about porn and we both know what the answer will be. See superasente, if you’re in for a penny you’re in for a pound. You couldn’t name me a t.v. show or a movie that you liked that didn’t involve someone being degraded that you were willing not to watch anymore.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 9:33 PM

@Pookie I am a black woman and I think Tyler Perry degrades contemporary black women in his movies. He loves older, traditional black women. But, he detests the modern generation of black women. He has a particular contempt for educated and empowered black women. In his films he depicts them as career obsessed, aggressive, demanding shrews who need to be put in their place by the men in their lives. I want to support Perry's films because he is one of the only black filmakers working today. But, his views on modern black women is deeply disturbing. As far as, "For Colored Girls" goes that movie was not written by him. So, if the modern black women in that film came off as likable (I haven't seen FCG) that isn't due to his influence on the material.

Posted by: Brenda at April 25, 2011 9:36 PM

"are deeply disturbing" not "is"

Posted by: Brenda at April 25, 2011 9:38 PM

@Pookie I am a black woman and I think Tyler Perry degrades contemporary black women in his movies. He loves older, traditional black women. But, he detests the modern generation of black women. He has a particular contempt for educated and empowered black women. In his films he depicts them as career obsessed, aggressive, demanding shrews who need to be put in their place by the men in their lives. I want to support Perry's films because he is one of the only black filmakers working today. But, his views on modern black women is deeply disturbing. As far as, "For Colored Girls" goes that movie was not written by him. So, if the modern black women in that film came off as likable (I haven't seen FCG) that isn't due to his influence on the material.

Posted by: Brenda at April 25, 2011 9:36 PM


Brenda I’ll ask you the same question I asked up-thread. Do you think any of the black women in his movies would stand by and let him degrade them? I’m sure you wouldn’t, so why do think they don’t have the courage to do what you would do. I don’t think Perry is a traditionalist to the point of wanting women barefoot and pregnant. I’m sure you have traditionalist in your family, but I also think they want you to get the highest education that you can. Why do you want Perry to achieve some arbitrary standard that you wouldn’t apply to any other director. As a black woman are you telling me that you’ve never recognized any character in a Perry film that reminded you of someone in your life past or present?

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 10:06 PM

Pookie, you make a good point. It's generally part of comedic fare to degrade, insult and otherwise abuse. It's often very funny and I would agree that this site in general is often too sensitive to it (especially when it comes to women). If that's the context of Perry's movies, then I would probably agree that his motives and results are just as acceptable as anyone else's when they're using deliberately-insulting jokes to obtain a laugh.

I’ll ask you the same questions about porn and we both know what the answer will be.

As for how you know about my porn predilection -- well I can only conclude that I need better firewalls.

Brenda writes, "In his films he depicts them as career obsessed, aggressive, demanding shrews who need to be put in their place by the men in their lives."

Brenda, your personal comments carry a lot of weight, but your example doesn't. It's not just Tyler Perry who portrays women this way in film. It's a rampant problem with Hollywood in general. Women can't just be strong; they have to be assholes who need a man to fix them. Though Perry may be propagating this stereotype, he's certainly not the master or inventor of it.

Posted by: superasente at April 25, 2011 10:13 PM

Thank you superasente, I appreciate your willingness to at lest listen to what I have to say instead of dismissing it out of hand. I can say with all honesty that you’re the first person on here to actually think about something that I wrote and respond with a well thought out response. If your aim was to wear me down with reason and kindness you have succeeded. Goodnight everyone, my quiver is empty and I’m tired. I only have enough strength to check out a few pornos before my eyes fail me.

elephantube.com if anyone is curious and not a hypocrite.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 10:29 PM

@Pookie I'm not trying to attack you. I respect your opinion but I just disagree. I don't know whether some of the black actresses in Perry's films feel degraded or not. The situation for black women working in Hollywood is so pathetic I'm sure many of the actresses in his films are just grateful for a job. And they wouldn't dare speak out against him for fear of losing out on parts in his future films.

I don't think Tyler Perry is a bad man by any means. But, he just has a very negative view of modern black women. Do I know women like the ones depicted in Tyler Perry's films? Sure. However, almost every modern woman in Terry's films is depicted negatively. That is the problem. What impact does his version of traditionalism have on the black women who see his films? Will they learn that the only way to be happy is to sit down, shut up, forgo a career, and obey your man? That's not a lesson I want black women like myself to learn. We've been sitting down and shutting up for long enough if you ask me.

Posted by: Brenda at April 25, 2011 10:51 PM

But Brenda, we’ve somehow survived “Good Times,” “The Jeffersons,” “That’s My Momma,” “Sanford and Son,” “What’s Happening,” and “ Baby, I’m Back,.” All those shows featured prostitutes, pimps, hustlers, thieves, child abusers, dope users and dope pushers. But more importantly all of those dreads of society were black. If you ever get the time go read up on good old Norman Lear, then come talk to me about Tyler Perry.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 11:26 PM

I just want to add that threats of violence have been a trope in comedy both black (and male, FWIW) -- Fred Sanford threatening to give Lamont "one 'cross yo lips" -- and white -- Ralph Kramden's "One of these days, Alice: BANG! ZOOM!"; the Three Stooges -- for all eternity.

Posted by: , at April 25, 2011 11:30 PM


I just want to add that threats of violence have been a trope in comedy both black (and male, FWIW) -- Fred Sanford threatening to give Lamont "one 'cross yo lips" -- and white -- Ralph Kramden's "One of these days, Alice: BANG! ZOOM!"; the Three Stooges -- for all eternity.

Posted by: , at April 25, 2011 11:30 PM


They already know that, but they will act like it’s only Perry that does it because it fits their narrative.

Posted by: Pookie at April 25, 2011 11:35 PM

@Superasente I agree that Tyler Perry is one of many filmakers who portrays women in a negative light. However, there aren't that many filmakers who so obviously and predictably make a point of demonizing modern women the way Perry does. If you look at his films the impression that's made is that most contemporary black women are hideous, emasculating shrews, who have their husbands b*lls trapped in a mason jar. I'm a thirty year old black woman with a career. And I actually have an opinion or two. I also speak French. All of which in Perry's world would make me "uppity" and "bougie."

@Pookie you are right that Perry is not unique in showing negative depictions of black people. But, the difference to me is that it's 2011 not 1975 anymore, and Tyler Perry's being a black man lends a legitimacy to these images since they are coming from a black man. It's much easier to dismiss negative depictions as mere stereotypes when they are being created by a white person or someone of another race. Just think about how people would react to Perry's films if they were written by a white man. Would people be able to laugh along so easily when almost every black woman on screen was the "angry black woman" or "black b*tch" sterotype? I don't think so. I feel somewhat bad saying these things because I do want to support Perry. But, I have very big problems with his films.

Posted by: Brenda at April 26, 2011 2:04 AM

Co-sign, Brenda. It's not that TP is the only director that misuses women. It's that he is locked into some bias against black, professional women. They want too much. They're bitches. And they just don't accept that they can be cured by the love of a good, blue collar man. It's some class war bullshit against the so called bougie black professional. It's anti-intellectual.

As for why black actresses don't criticize him, they want to eat. It's not like Hollywood is throwing roses at the feet of anyone other than Zoe Saldana. There was an article about the recent blow up TP had about Spike Lee and in the article anonymous actors said that TP's work is crap, but the work is so scarce that they tolerate him as an employer.

And TP is no Spike Lee. You can watch a Spike movie and ask questions about the broader issues in society. "She's Gotta have It. Do the Right Thing and The 25th Hour" all ask questions about issues for black folk and others. "Madea assembles some stereotypes and threatens violence as comedy?" Not so mcuh

Posted by: khia213 at April 26, 2011 8:44 AM

Pookie,

Figured I'd call them out on it. Couldn't hurt.

Posted by: , at April 26, 2011 10:34 AM

Black guy here, just have to say the main difference between spike lee and Tyler perry is at one point spike lee was a good filmmaker, while Tyler perry is and has always been a horrible filmmaker

Posted by: Bones at April 26, 2011 3:54 PM

Tp is the Michael bay of the black community, they both make crappy films that large groups come out to see. And I'm happy that they and all other terrible directors are able to continue making a living, but it doesn't change the crappiness of their movies

Posted by: BoNes at April 26, 2011 4:04 PM

@khai213 thank you! Tyler Perry's venom towards professional black women is so obvious and pervasive I don't understand how some people don't see it. It's as if he thinks every black woman should be trapped in her home, rustling up some food for her kids, while her strong black husband brings home the bacon. What is this 1955? We are finally in an era when black wome are graduating college more often, and getting higher paying jobs. And Perry wants us all to believe that's a bad thing. That somehow empowered black women are emascualting black men. Please.

His issues with class are also very obvious as you said. If you are a successful black person (especially female) with a high powered career you are not down with the struggle. You have to learn your lesson from a working class/real black person. I'm sick of this attitude that being a successful black person makes you a sell out/uncle Tom/bougie. And if you are light skinned in TP movies you're probably especially evil.

I also feel like he's working out some of his issues with his father/family/past in his movies. He often has two types of black men in his movies. "The good black man" that black women should worship and respect vs. "the bad black man" like his father. Characters like Loretta Devine's in "Madea's big happy family" probably remind him of black women like his mother who suffered in silence. I have no idea who the modern black women in his movies remind him of. But, whoever they were he really hated them. I wonder if he dated one black woman who really screwed him over and he's been trying to get back at her ever since.

I agree that TP is no Spike Lee. SL's films ask important question regarding race, and race relations in this country. His delving into issues like colorism and class can be offensive to some as well, but at least he's trying to make a larger societal point.

Posted by: Brenda at April 26, 2011 4:17 PM

Are the women in the movie "For Colored Girls" all like this? Are they all ugly representations of successful black women who immasculate black men? They'd better be, becuase your argument crumbles to dust if they're not.

Why? Oh sure, he adapted someone else's work. But look. HE ADAPTED SOMEONE ELSE'S WORK. He didn't have to do that. He didn't have to make a movie celebrating black women.

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Posted by: Burton Haynes at April 26, 2011 5:57 PM

@Superasente it makes a great deal of difference that Tyler Perry didn't write For Colored Girls. The thoughts and ideas on the screen were not solely his. He was using someone elses source material therefore he had to be faithful to it. The plays and movies he writes are completely his creation. Therefore, they reflect his values and opinions. And Tyler Perry's feelings about most contemoporary black women in unequivocally negative. If you don't believe me go back and watch some of his films and count the number of positive modern black women you see. Just look at Madea's big happy family for instance every modern black woman is a demanding, rude, aggressive, lying, manipulative, bitch. That is until the end of the film when two of them are redeemed by learning to shut up and accept the "love of a good man." The other two just stay bitches. The black men are all helpless victims of these "lady Macbeth" like harpies as well.

Posted by: Brenda at April 26, 2011 6:30 PM

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Posted by: Big Softie at April 26, 2011 7:17 PM

Brenda, I feel like you're missing my point. My point is that he didn't have to do the movie AT ALL. That he made a movie -- no -- that he chose to make a movie about strong black women tells me that he must not feel as negatively towards them as you propose.

You keep saying, "Look at this, look at that." Well, I'm saying, "Look. He made a whole movie honoring the strength of black women. He didn't write them as vile shrews. He wrote them as strong, intelligent women." And in fact, if Pajiba's review is any indication, there aren't a whole lot of positive male roles in the movie.

Are his other movies less apt at this? Sure, maybe. But I think the evidence suggests that he's not as big of a villian as you make him out to be. A bad film-maker? Someone who falls in to common Hollywood tropes? Lazy writer? Fatally out of touch with his female side? Sure. But a misogynist who hates strong black women? If you truely think that, you're deliberately avoiding strong evidence to the contrary.

Posted by: superasente at April 26, 2011 8:34 PM

Let us not discount the fact that he was only asked to provide the financial backing for For Colored Girls. There was a black woman set to direct it. And he took it off of her. He's consistent. High acheiving black woman? Push her out the spotlight.

Posted by: khia213 at April 26, 2011 10:23 PM

@Superasente I'm not saying that Tyler Perry is an evil or bad man. He just has a very particular worldview that he displays in his films. I'm certain that TP feels he's actually helping the black community by teaching us the life lessons he adheres to.

I don't believe that Tyler Perry even realizes he posesses such negative feelings about contemporary black women. He probably thinks he's helping black women by pointing out all the ways we could be "better/happier" in his mind. Therefore, he would see no contradiction in his decision to make For Colored Girls, which as you said is "honoring the strength" of black women. I'm sure he thinks that's what he's already doing in his films. I just strongly feel that the path he sets out for black women is wrong. And I'm worried about the message his films are sending.

Posted by: Brenda at April 26, 2011 10:30 PM

That makes sense to me. People lack self-awareness all the time. There is no reason he should be any different just because he's wealthy and popular.

I can get behind that.

Still, there is something to be said for his drive to empower women, even if he fails spectacularly. It could be (and has been) plenty worse.

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