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Miley Cyrus Actually Says Something Quite Smart Here. No, Seriously.

By Joanna Robinson | Celebrities Are Better than You | September 24, 2013 | Comments ()


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In a recent Rolling Stone interview, Miley Cyrus addressed some of your pearl-clutching concerns about her VMA performance. And you know what? She’s damn right. It wasn’t my cup of Rubber Underwear tea and I will forever resent it for making “twerking” a word my mother feels comfortable saying, but shockingly offensive? Probably not. Miley makes the point that that’s what the VMAs are for. She says:

Honestly, that was our MTV version. We could have even gone further, but we didn’t. I thought that’s what the VMAs were all about! It’s not the Grammys or the Oscars. You’re not supposed to show up in a gown, Vanna White-style. It’s supposed to be fun!

What’s that? That’s the sound of Miley Cyrus not being wrong.

Exhibit A:
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But, more damningly, she points out the extremely biased and gendered reaction to her performance. Once again? Not wrong. From the article:

Miley admits that her performance with Thicke got a little - her word - “handsy.” But she makes a good point: “No one is talking about the man behind the ass. It was a lot of ‘Miley twerks on Robin Thicke,’ but never, ‘Robin Thicke grinds up on Miley.’ They’re only talking about the one that bent over. So obviously there’s a double standard.” She was especially amused by the criticism from Brooke Shields, who played Miley’s mom on Hannah Montana and called the VMA performance “desperate.” “Brooke Shields was in a movie where she was a prostitute at age 12!” Miley says with a laugh.

First she came for your sexual prudery, then she came for your gender bias and now the girl is here for your Breaking Bad fandom. All bets are off.

America is just so weird in what they think is right and wrong. Like, I was watching Breaking Bad the other day, and they were cooking meth. I could literally cook meth because of that show. It’s a how-to. And then they bleeped out the word ‘fuck.’ And I’m like, really? They killed a guy, and disintegrated his body in acid, but you’re not allowed to say ‘fuck’? It’s like when they bleeped ‘molly’ at the VMAs. Look what I’m doing up here right now, and you’re going to bleep out ‘molly’? Whatever.

Once again, I’m not endorsing that performance only because I think the song is awful and the whole thing was messy without being actually artistically provocative. But I am going to have to come down on Miley’s side on everything she said here. And that? Oh brother, that chafes worse than rubber underwear.

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  • ThinkPink414

    In her attempt to prove she is not a little country kid Miley has taken the worse of the white race and the worse of the black race while sticking her tongue out like a dog: she is a ghetto white trash dog!

    Robin thick does participate in some sketchy stuff but this was all her. She was throwing a tantrum like a toddler because things didnt go her way. She may have had her latex undies and bears planned but the rest was the equivalent of a pre-teen stomping up the stairs and slamming the door when she is mad.

    She is trying so hard to prove she is a grown-up and can do what she wants or she "can't stop" that she is acting like a moron. This is what happens when kids are made to act like adults/grow up too fast and dont get the chance to rebell and suffer consequences for bad behavior. She is the next lohan, bynes, spears- whoever: not to make light of mental illness but many are from enviroment not genes or nurture not nature

  • Lbeees

    Uh, I watched her performance.

    In no way could Robin Thicke be said to have 'ground up on that'. He was basically standing there, leaning away from her, trying not to make things weirder than they were already.

    So while I feel like there are a lot (A LOT) of gender double-standards, that particular instance is not an example of them.

  • Yocean

    My issue with her is that she got no class or style. She represents the new culture of amateurs thinking they are entitled to same status and fame and attention as very labored crafts of true professionals, who are dwindling thanks to the entitled little shits like her and Justin B. fuck them.

  • jettcity

    I agree that she should be nominated for the Nobel Prize for Twerking because she mouthed some rote social commentary that has been obvious for years and stated many times before.

  • Zirza

    Oh dear Godtopus, a few days ago you said "Linsday Lohan had the best idea of the evening" and it wasn't ironic, and now this? I feel like I'm losing my mind.

  • Adrien

    "‘Robin Thicke grinds up on Miley.’ They’re only talking about the one that bent over"
    Did he grind? I thought he looked uncomfortable and just froze. Miley hijacked the Blurred Lines portion as it looked like an extension of We Can't Stop. We only recognized Robin because of his BeetleJuice suit.

  • Maddy

    Yeah coz I'm sure he had no idea what was about to happen ...

  • Fleur

    I'm sure he did. Still, he did not grind up to her. He just hit his mark and kept singing, all the while looking away from her. It was all very weird.

  • BlackRabbit

    Why do people keep assuming she didn't say this herself? "Her publicist fed her these lines." Yes, that's possible, but isn't it just as possible that she really did say this, weird dancing and fashion choices aside? Because clearly intelligence always = good choices.

  • Some Guy

    But that wouldn't conveniently fit the narrative around some places that Miley completely sucks. No trashy, badly twerking, culture appropriating trailer trash southern girl can have intelligent moments of clarity amidst the cloudy, watered down bullshit that is their life.

  • BlackRabbit

    Then she should combine it-have a smart interview while twerking. Double threat!

  • isakglasses

    Miley is right I wish someone could just say the truth and say its not the twerking we mind its because its you Miley with the body of a 14 year old dancing this "erotic" dance and making everyone feel uncomfortable.just imagine it was beyonce twerking we would all be saying best performance ever and that's the truth stop pretending America tell her what you really think

  • Davis

    She bent down and 'twerked' on Robin Thicke he didn't go up to her and start rubbing up on her.

    But obviously he's a grown married man with kids who is taking advantage of a poor 20 year old little girl :(

    I thought she was a grown up woman? You can't pick and choose when you want to be treated as an equal, you want to be treated with kid gloves when you get criticized ladies, make your mind up.

  • RobynRobotron

    You do realize she didn't just run up to him on the street, right?

  • Maddy

    I was more Icked out about a fully clothed guy with a girl half his age doing that - I love how no one calls put Robin Thicke for being gross as the one with the whole song that's like 'she says no but really she means yes'. Yuck. There are no blurred lines when it comes to consent.

  • Some Guy

    She's what, 20, right? Dude's 36 and he and his wife are basically swingers. In appropriate? Perhaps. But that really comes down to your ideas of age and gender. Older guys date younger girls all the time. Some people see that as gross. But they conveniently forget the fact that those younger girls might like dating older men and have made an informed choice in all of this.

  • Maddy

    It sounds like she knows exactly what she's doing I'll give her that. This is more about how much I hate that song/ video I guess.

  • Paddington

    It's weird how you ignore certain things to cape for white women. You did the same for Sarah Silverman, if I recall correctly.

    Miley said somethings about the accusations of cultural appropriation that were absurd but you don't touch that. Why are you only grappling with the easiest sentiments? Just like, why could you only call Silverman's material targeted toward Aziz problematic, along with previous stand up material to focus on how those old jokes hurt her feelings?

  • Jifaner

    America, where you can have all the guns and violence you want but must never mention condoms to a teenager.

  • Ben

    She's not wrong on the censorship point. They worry way more about words than they do about violence and sex.

  • Thor

    Well, they worry a lot about sex if it's depicted explicitly.

  • TheOriginalMRod

    I'd say her performance was extra smart since it has been all anyone has been talking about since the VMAs. And who really watches that anyway? Probably not most of the people talking about it. Not that that makes it art or anything. It mostly just makes it publicity.

  • Thor

    Certainly the most talked about VMAs since "Imma let you finish"

  • e jerry powell

    Cynical publicity, no less.

  • ...and I would almost be interested in what smart thing she said/memorized/whatever, but GAHHHHH that #$^$^^% tongue is out again. PUT IT AWAY.

  • Matt C.

    I don't care how sexual she acts, just how racist she acts.

  • Neil Hopkins

    "Hey you can't twerk. It is for black people only because they invented it. You twerking is racist."

    Its crap like this that marginalizes the fight against real racism.

  • Matt C.

    That's really not it at all. Here, check out this Jezebel article that explains it in better words than I could:

    http://groupthink.jezebel.com/...

  • Neil Hopkins

    Read the article (twice) and still can't even begin to agree. It takes a lot of logical leaps that I don't find to be very logical, assumes there is malice where there isn't and is more about painting black women as victims then it is about Miley being insensitive. Where's the outcry when pretty much every hip-hop music video or performance ever over sexualized the black female body? The author over analyzes the trivial and then uses that faulty analysis to support her preconceived points. I'm a gay man myself and if I watch a late night talk show and someone cracks gay jokes or I watch a sitcom and the gay characters are flaming queers I'm not going to get in a tizzy over it. Grow the fuck up, stop looking for any excuse to play the victim (or victim's hero) and learn to just enjoy life a bit.

  • There'll Be Pancakes

    Or... the person who fed Miley what to say said something quite smart.

    I think the performance was gross not because it was lewd or sexual in any way, in fact the opposite, there was nothing sexy about it at all, just kind of desperate and sad and not well executed.

  • babykangarootribbiani

    I come from the other side of the spectrum, in that I am always waiting for Miley to say things like this so that people can go, "Maybe she;s not as loco as some of the other people out there" because i am sometimes (although not right now) ashamed to say that i am a miley cyrus fan. and not just a fan of her music, cause honestly, I haven;t even heard the song "we can;t stop" or "wrecking ball". no, i remember watching hannah montana the night it premiered, right after cow belles. i loved it so much because she and her friends were in 8th grade and me and my friends were in 8th grade and although i refuse to read nicholas sparks, hate the notebook (not ryan gosling, cause if you hate ryan gosling, you might not have a pulse) i saw the last song twice in theaters and i ate it all up. And while Miley does things that scare some people, she isn;t setting fires in people;s driveways, she made one video smoking a bong but hasn;t been to rehab (broke my 8th grade heart to hear zac efron was in rehab WHY ZAC WHY?!) but she doesn;t respond to her criticisms with "eff that, i;m just more famous" she does these things once and lets people analyze them to death. Until she does go to rehab or go on a Lohan-eqsue bender (and maybe even then) I;ll still be one of the few, not-all-that-proud who think it;s cool that she;s just being Miley.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    regardless of your other thoughts - don't let someone going to rehab break your heart. Let the people who DON'T go to rehab when they clearly need to break your heart.

  • BlackRabbit

    Perhaps they meant that they were sad that Zac Efron was in rehab because it meant he had a problem, not that he was trying to work at getting better?

  • Bronson

    Why is this conversation about assigning more blame to one performer than the other? Why isn't this conversation about how a young girl felt compelled, with no alternative choice available, to hyper sexualise herself for mass consumption? Why aren't we assigning the blame to MTV for making young girls feel this way and how we, as a society, need to look at ourselves for allowing this?

  • e jerry powell

    And again, I say:

    Read up on J. Jackson v. J. Timberlake. This is STILL NOT A NEW PHENOMENON. (Granted, Janet Jackson is more than twice Cyrus's age, but...)

  • er

    Because this conversation is simpler.

    I agree with your points, and I honestly think that is the answer to your question. It was not intended to be snarky.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    Because that's an extreme response. There were other young female performers at the VMAs who have apparently seen an alternate choice and not hyper sexualized themselves. I think Miley is trying to indicate that she didn't feel compelled - she wants to do this.

  • Bronson

    Quote:

    "I thought that’s what the VMAs were all about!"

    She says herself that this was expected of her!

    And really? The other female performers didn't feel compelled to sexualise their performances? Please point these out to me. Katy Perry skipped up and down on the spot whilst wearing an unsupportive sports bra! Please don't claim that she either didn't know that her breasts would be noticeably moving at a different rate to the rest of her, that people would focus on that, or that I'm a pig for reading that into her performance, you'd be doing both of our intelligences a disservice. plus GaGa ended up wearing nothing but a pair of seashells. The latter had a modicum of artistic integrity, to the performance but not much.

    She felt compelled to produce a performance that was provocative sexually to get noticed and not one that was artistically or creatively memorable.

  • NateMan

    You left out the rest of her quote:
    "It’s not the Grammys or the Oscars. You’re not supposed to show up in a gown, Vanna White-style. It’s supposed to be fun!"

    Her answer, assuming it was written by her and not a publicist, indicates her desire to do that performance. Whereas your version of the discussion removes any and all agency from a young WOMAN (not girl, significant difference) who has decided, despite the millions made and that continue to be made from her previously squeaky-clean image, to go a different route. That decision certainly was not made in a vacuum, and to be sure it's a decision that's garnered her extra derision. But it's also garnered her a shitload of publicity, fame, and money.

    No offense, but read over what you wrote and tell me that you've assumed any free will on Cyrus's part. There was no gun to her head. There may have been and almost certainly were societal and financial pressures to be sure, but this is a woman who could flip the double bird at us tomorrow tomorrow and still have more money and freedom for the rest of her life than any of us can dare dream.

    What Cyrus did was no more shocking or sexualized than you'll see many young men and women doing for Halloween on every college campus in a month's time. Now, right or wrong as you may find that and as right or wrong as I may find it, two facts remain: sex sells, and 20yr olds can make their own decisions.

    Who knows. Maybe I'm entirely wrong on this one. But in your world, Miley Cyrus is a child "with no alternative choice to being hyper sexualized". In mine she's a wealthy young woman with agency and choices. I like mine better. Even if she looks like an idiot doing so.

  • SamuraiShampoo

    She got the attention she was desperately seeking.

  • DarthBrookes

    *Hurrumph!*

    Well I... That is to say, she...

    You gotta remember... Hmmm.

    Fuck. She's got me there. Well played, Cyrus. Well played.

  • Maybe if Robin Thicke were wearing a flesh-colored Speedo you'd hear more outrage directed toward him. But since he didn't and was, y'know... busy SINGING, Miley's attempt to shame the slut-shamers falls on deaf ears.

  • e jerry powell

    Why should a man sexually objectify himself when there are already plenty of gay men taking that weight onto themselves?

  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    So, you're going to criticize her shaming the slut-shamers by... slut shaming her?

    Well, aren't you a fucking delight.

  • How am I shaming her beyond pointing out her flawed logic?

    I'm all for her owning her sexuality, but Cyrus shouldn't point the foam finger at Thicke and act surprised at the backlash when Thicke was wearing a suit and she was wearing rubber underwear. If someone is going to be outraged over the performance, it's pretty clear who the more visible target is.

    I'm no fan of Thicke's. I think the subtext of "Blurred Lines" is creepy and borderline irresponsible. But if Cyrus is going to claim gender bias in the reaction to their performance together, she should acknowledge that the sexuality on display between the two wasn't exactly equitable.

    If you're going to own your sexuality it, OWN it. Tell Rolling Stone, "I looked great up there. It's unfortunate that others are too stuck up to appreciate it."

  • Michelle

    This just again proves to me that this young woman (I sound like someone's grandmother, but I hate the use of "girl" that is so prevalent everywhere now) is smart and knows exactly what she's doing, and she's doing it well. We all may disagree with HOW she's doing it, but no one can argue that everything she's done has had one goal - to keep her in the forefront of the public eye and she's been wildly successful in that.

  • Thor

    She's a good business-woman. People (cough Madonna cough) have been doing stupid shit like this for years to get money and attention. Cyrus's attempt is just the most directed.

  • B

    Meh. Until she addresses or cops to the fucked up racial messaging her performance perpetuated I'm perfectly content to continue thinking the whole thing was gross and bad.

  • Neil Hopkins

    What .. so only black people are allowed to twerk? If I see a Asian doing an Irish jig poorly because he is drunk on St. Patrick's day should I be offended he is encroaching on my heritage (Answer: no, that would be friggin stupid of me)? No single race owns twerking or grinding or whatever form of "dance" people do just because people of their race where the first to do it. Just because she failed at it miserably doesn't mean it was racially insensitive.

  • Ninive

    Twerking was not exactly concocted by black people. Hispanics have been doing it for ages. Go to You Tube and look for "perreo" you'll get videos from the early 80s.

  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    That is a separate, but extreeeeeemely valid point. The racial aspects of that performance and the rather grotesque cultural appropriation and objectification are legitimate concerns that she really does need to address, yet no one is asking her about.

    That said, once again, let's lay the blame equally. I'm fairly certain she didn't write, direct, and choreograph that performance single-handedly, and we should also talk about how MTV was gleefully happy to garner all of the press that they KNEW would come about as a result of it. Miley needs to deal with those issues, but she's not the only responsible party.

  • ZbornakSyndrome

    But, in her new interview she clarifies the whole situation regarding race! You see, those women aren't her props, they're her "homies" - not that she bothers to name them.

    She also reads a lot of text messages from black artists that support her performance. You see, she has black friends - she can't possibly have questionable racial intonations in her videos/performances!

  • chrisahl

    While we're at it, she sure as fuck didn't come up with her "thoughts" in this article either.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I thought the back up dancer situation was weird and I can see how on its own it comes across racist - but the performance segued into Two Chains singing about big-booty'd women, with the same dancers.

  • Salieri2

    The thing is, that one performance is not on its own. Appropriation of ratchet culture is a conscious choice Miley's making. She gains a level of musical and artistic credibility without any of the cultural downsides of being black in America; it's an identity she can put on, exploit for money, and take back off as easily as that teddy bear onesie thing.

    Go about halfway down the Groupthink here--I'm not a Jezebel fan normally, but this roundup was well done--and you'll find much to chew upon.

    "When you listen to the Miley Cyrus record that we did, it's not ratchet but it definitely has a lot of urban feel to it," Timothy said. "She was like, 'I want urban, I just want something that just feels Black.'”

    "For white performers, minstrelsy has always been a means to an end: a shortcut to self-actualization."

    http://groupthink.jezebel.com/...

  • e jerry powell

    I like big butts and I cannot lie.

    What? I do!

  • Srsly

    I may be out of the loop somewhat with the pop music and the twerking, but isn't Robin Thicke's ONLY market - women 8 - 97? Isn't Miley Cyrus' ONLY market - Females 2 - 22? How is this a problem caused by men again?

  • e jerry powell

    If Robin Thicke is stealing from Marvin Gaye, I suspect his market is perhaps a bit larger than that...

  • alwaysanswerb

    And despite no one saying at even any point in time that this is a problem caused by men, rather than the mass media culture that both women and men participate in, here we have someone showing up to accuse the feminist critics of blaming men! Like clockwork, folks

  • Sara_Tonin00

    You are out of the loop with pop music. Those are not their only markets.

  • Tinkerville

    That's a bit irrelevant since it doesn't really have anything to do with the fact that it's women listening to their music. The issue is the overall reaction to the VMA performance from mainstream news outlets, which have largely had a sexist attitude in that they called Cyrus slutty, depraved, an attention-whore, and so on, without giving a second thought to Thicke, who was half the performance.

  • Protoguy

    Yes, but she was the one acting like a slutty, depraved attention whore. Everyone acts like he was the Ringmaster and she's the impressionable young girl. Have you not been paying attention? It may have been Thicke's song, but his "performance" wasn't anywhere as nuanced and female-empowering as hers was I suppose. And yeah, I've been hearing crap about Thicke from day one too, it's just that he's not the one flinging his nalgas all over pedobears while barely wearing rubber.

  • e jerry powell

    That "one cheek" thing!

  • Tinkerville

    Where to start... I'll preface this by saying I didn't like her performance at all. I thought it was tacky to say the least, that song bothers me in a big way, and I think twerking needs to die a firey death. I also don't think it was even remotely "female empowering" in any way shape or form.

    The issue with the way people were calling out Miley Cyrus for her performance (or at least my personal issue with it as we're all entitled to opinions and whatnot) is that it reeked of sexist slut-shaming. Yes, that word is thrown around to a rather ridiculous degree these days, but if she wants to act like she did at the VMAs and handle the after-effects of it, I think it's her right to do so without the additional implications that came from the critiques of her performance. The VMAs are a display of wackjob occurrences anyway, but it wasn't the idiotic, weird, or just plain bad aspects of the performance that everyone was talking about, it was her being a "slut."

    Furthermore, of course Miley is going to be the one acting like "the slut," because even if Robin Thicke HAD been the one grinding up on her, let's be honest, he wouldn't have ever been called that or any of the other things thrown at Miley.

  • Thor

    This

  • Patty O'Green

    So, am I now the old lady who doesn't know what the hell "molly" means and why it needs bleeping? If so, then I am also the person who isn't sure she wants to know...

  • Thor

    It's a drug.

  • bastich

    Google defines "molly" as "a small, livebearing freshwater fish that is popular in aquariums and has been bred in many colors, esp. black".

    My god, our children are snorting fish! What is this world coming to?!?

  • BlackRabbit

    It's the Swedish ones that give you the real kick.

  • Why can't they just swallow goldfish like they did in my day?

  • Maguita NYC

    You made me snort water!

  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    Well, they say water's a gateway drug.

  • Maguita NYC

    Who says that? I need to know, for I've been drinking my 8 glasses of water daily and nothing!.. Just a bit dizzy though when downing that last eighth glass.

  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    Oh, honey, already with the denial. You don't even feel the effects anymore - you're just a slave to the addiction.

    Can't you see what you're doing to yourself?

  • Maguita NYC

    I'm... an... addict?

  • emmalita

    The first step is admitting you have a problem.

  • Maguita NYC

    I have a problem?
    No more drinking water, cutting myself off cold turkey!

    Wine it is.

  • God Of Bal-Sagoth

    If it helps, I've found that gin is a marvelous restorative.

    I just want to help, my dear.

  • Maguita NYC

    Gin! My favorite eau-de-source!

    But I was trying to heal my soul with a bit of Jesus Juice after a lifetime of water abuse.

  • emmalita

    Coffee, tea and hot chocolate are also acceptable.

  • Maguita NYC

    Well now, who would've thought going cold-turkey could be this pleasurable!

    All these stupid whiners and spoiled a-holes really have no idea how easy quitting truly is :)

  • NateMan

    Nothing serious, it's just Ecstacy. Which I didn't know people still talked about.

  • e jerry powell

    Seriously. I haven't heard about it since I dropped out of rave culture (okay, it was minutes after my first rave, but still, that was definitely a WHILE ago).

  • nosio

    When it made its comeback a few years ago I was a senior in college, and I remember being incredulous at its immediate popularity, especially because my knowledge of it was mostly limited to its mention in Prozac Nation. So whenever people talked about rolling I usually burst into laughter* and said something like, "What is this, the NINETIES? HA HA! AM I RIIIIGHT?"**

    *in my head
    **definitely in my head, as I was 21 and keen on impressing people I didn't care about.

  • Sara_Tonin00

    I didn't know it was bleepable. But it did contribute to a few deaths at a music festival over Labor Day weekend, so maybe that's why it's touchy? Can you imagine them bleeping every reference to weed or coke?

  • Thor

    You'd be amazed what's bleepable these days. My local radio station bleeps "sex" when it's in a song.

  • e jerry powell

    How would we ever get through a Snoop gig?

  • I'm officially a fan. The Thicke angle of the whole thing is interesting because his rape song is all about being "handsy" (to put it lightly) and getting away with it. Yet she "twerks" and is called a disgusting whore. Fuck this country sometimes.

  • Gauephat

    I'm still not sure why people are calling "Blurred Lines" rape-y. Just because female sexuality is still frequently demonized in Western culture doesn't make a similarly hyperbolic response to male sexuality justified.

  • NateMan

    I don't know how many times I've had to type it out, but:

    "You're an animal, baby, it's in your nature."

    "Just let me liberate you."

    "I know you want it." (repeated incessantly)

    "The way you grab me must wanna get nasty."

    These are lines used often used by rapists. Again and again. Not only are they just plain low class, they're also triggering for some people.

    You can disagree if you like. But I find it difficult to argue that point with rape survivors. Check out Project Unbreakable and see just how often that same language is used - always the same theme, often the exact same words - to see why many people think it's problematic.

    http://projectunbreakable.tumb...

  • Some Guy

    Considering that rape against women typically happens from people who know the victim, one can probably assume a lot of rapists use the words "I love you," or "I'm sorry" with their victims, too.

    I just don't get why the song can't be about two people and their mutual sexual attraction for one another, as opposed to the guy because he is the one singing.

    I'd get it and agree with you if he also included the line "Your voice says no, but your body says yes."

    That's creepy. That's rapey. That's a whole lot less ambiguous than lyrics that could also be about two people and their mutual sexual attraction to one another.

  • Salieri2

    What are the "blurred lines," Some Guy?

  • Guest

    Or better yet, which lyric states or indicates that she is uninterested in the singers advances?

  • Some Guy

    Ok,

    Let's say, hypothetically, the guy in the song gets the girl to come home with him. They are getting it on, he makes a move, and she says firmly "No."

    What do you predict he does?

  • Salieri2

    Not interested in hypotheticals, just the text. What "lines" are "blurred"?

  • Some Guy

    Also, which lyric states or indicates that she is uninterested in the singers advances?

  • Gauephat

    The point is context. The things I say in bed with a girlfriend or partner includes some nasty, dirty shit that would absolutely constitute verbal or sexual assault against someone on the street. To strip things of their context is deliberately misleading.

  • Maguita NYC

    That is a weird comment.

    You do understand the context of that particular song is about a guy hitting on a woman at a club, not exactly a boyfriend/girlfriend situation, and using those exact words rapists use?

    You do understand that women and men on Project Unbreakable are victims of rape, and the words were exchanged in the context of rape?

  • NateMan

    Sure it is. But in the context of a pop song played across the country, and heard by innumerable survivors of sexual assault, it's problematic for a lot of people. If it's not for you, that's fine, just like anything you say in the bedroom so long as your partner enjoys it too. Rational people can disagree on that stuff.
    But lots of us do take issue with the language and the subtext. And if you listen to the radio or watch music television it can be hard to avoid.

  • emmalita

    Project Unbreakable is not stripping these sentences of their context. The women and men holding the signs are putting these things into the context of their rape. These are things people said to them before, during, and after the rape. Context is important.

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