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The Kardashians are whores, through and through, and I mean that in the purest sense of the word. They are products, a brand. They are not human beings. They sold that away. And it would be neat if this calculated act backfired on them and became their undoing, but for that to happen, they would need smarter fans. And they don’t have them.

You deserve a medal for that...

I don't want to sound stupid, but could I have some paper and go color, too?

I don't have any idea who any of these people are. And that makes me really, really happy.

I used to see Rick Rockwell at the gym here every now and again and I'd invariably think, "Douche." I think it was like that thing when the doctor hits your knee with a little rubber hammer, but way funnier and less pain-y. And with more douchtastic-ness.

It is at least worth noting, if we are going to inject the gay marriage issue into this pop culture spectacle, that Kim & the Kardashians have lent their fame to support gay marriage and other LGBT issues.

There is plenty to criticize here and the inevitable gossip blog backlash is all well deserved, but it is unfair to lump them in with the other side in the struggle for marriage equality. The Kardashians are not the problem, and the argument for marriage equality has nothing to do with the wedding-as-publicity-stunt bullshit that these celebrities engage in.

"Kim and her sisters, Khloe and Kourtney, have previously endorsed marriage equality and have posed for the NOH8 Campaign, which raises awareness and funds for gay rights causes, including ending Proposition 8, California's gay marriage ban."

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=9960&MediaType=1&Category=22

A little off topic, but I'm not a loogie expert. How does a peanut butter loogie differ from your garden variety loogie?

Stupid are people, too. Here’s some paper. Go color.

I consider this an insult to my 5 year old, an avid and skilled colorer who is already leaps and bounds smarter than the stupid people in question.

Yossarian-

The point was never about the Kardashians. The point was about people who object to gay marriage and using the argument that gay people marrying invalidates the legitimacy of all marriages in general. Given that some straight people, celebrity or otherwise, have done a bang-up job on that already, it seems very much a hypocrisy that those aforementioned voices of objection have been strangely silent when it come to those people doing essentially what they have already judged that all gay marriages will do.

And while it's nice that the Kardashians allegedly support gay marriage, I personally could not give one shit about any of their beliefs. As it is, I'm sure they'll have to draw straws to determine who has to tell Khloe the truth about the Easter Bunny.

I just think that, for as eager as everyone seems to be to make the connection between Kardashian reality TV marriage and gay marraige, it's a pretty weak argument to make.

For one thing, I'd bet that most of the fundamentalist Christians and conservatives who oppose gay marriage would also find fault with staged Reality TV marriages from vapid, promiscuous Hollywood celebrities with sex tapes who frequently showcase their immoral behavior on cable television in a seemingly endless series of television shows and guest appearances. It's not like the people lining up to advocate against same sex marriage go home to a DVR full of Kardashians. These are not the hypocrisies you are looking for.

I also think you're willingly arguing from a weak position if you try to undermine your opponent by saying "see, straight people have already perverted the sanctity of marriage so much that you may as well let the queers marry, too". There is a much better case for marriage equality that can easily be made without stooping so low.

And ultimately the struggle for gay equality is not going to be won by proving the hypocrisy or inconsistency or bigotry of the hard core "defense of marriage" assholes. Ironically, the real turning point in this struggle is the fact that vapid, inexplicably popular fame whores have no problem doing NOH8 photo shoots and dropping anti-prop 8 statements into their red-carpet blather. You see, this is where I differ from bleujayone. I think it is important that they do this. We the enlightened, compassionate intellectual minority may know that gay people are deserving of the same rights and privileges as anyone else but nothing is going to change if we are the only ones. To enact real change you need a cultural shift that extends this seemingly simple concept the big stupid mouth-breathing masses. You need sports radio hosts, reality TV stars, and Miley Cyrus to take up the message (for whatever stupid self-serving bandwagon-jumping, image conscious PR manipulated reasons they may have) because that's how you make it normal, which is what we want.

Make no mistake about it, the people who like Dan Savage will never accomplish this on their own. The people who like Kim Kardashian (or train wreck TV) can, and will.

@Yossarian again - Sorry, in the time it took me to finish my novel, there's been a bunch of activity and I just had to respond to a couple of things (not that I'm trying to fight - we're all on the same side basically).

First, I think that the Venn Diagram of People Who Hate Gay Marriage and People Who Watch the Kardashians would overlap more than you think. I know a couple of people who would fit into both categories and I bet a lot more of them exist.

Second, I don't think anyone is saying that 'well, these twats have ruined marriage already, why not let the gays do it?'. I think what we're saying is that the ARGUMENT about the sanctity of marriage is in and of itself utter bullshit, because there are a shitload of rushed, false, disingenuous, or otherwise 'not real' marriages out there as it is. If these people were really so concerned about the sanctity of the union, you'd think they'd be fighting against these marriages more than they do. The fact is, it's just a red herring so that they don't have to say what they're really thinking which probably boils down to 'ewww, two men getting married is icky' or 'i don't want to have to explain that to my kids'. So when something so egregious as this comes along and the Christian right isn't all over Fox News having a fit about it and demanding boycotts of E! Network, their entire agenda seems highly suspect.

Kim & the Kardashians have lent their fame to support gay marriage and other LGBT issues.

My first thought, as soon as someone used this debacle to compare to the Gay Marriage Issue, was, "Wouldn't it be wonderful if this is some horrifyingly expensive, political statement made by the Whordashians showing the hypocrisy of protecting 'the sanctity of marriage'?"

Then I remembered who I was dealing with. And my hope died in a sadness swamp.

/ARTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAX

For one thing, I'd bet that most of the fundamentalist Christians and conservatives who oppose gay marriage would also find fault with staged Reality TV marriages from vapid, promiscuous Hollywood celebrities with sex tapes who frequently showcase their immoral behavior on cable television in a seemingly endless series of television shows and guest appearances.

You left out humanists. How can anyone who thinks humans are exalted, who measures the world in terms of human excellence help but be appalled by vapid, promiscuous, fame-whoring ... etc.

And what is a humanist marriage but one person saying to another: "You. Above and before all else, I will take this trip with you?"

Here are my thoughts on all this.

When I first saw a picture of the both of them together, I thought she was marrying Blake Griffin. I'm glad that didn't happen. I actually like Blake Griffin. I have no idea who she actually married/divorced nor do I care to find out. Also I do enjoy the things that lasted longer that their marriage tweets. By which I mean I like the one tweet about Dora's pause after she asks you a question, lasted longer than their marriage.

Also the Tonight Show with Conan O'brien, right?

Wow, morons did something for money and more morons paid them, and even more morons paid attention. If she's not going to throw out some more pseudo-porn, she needs to go away.

Patty, I was already having a bad day and now you make an Artax reference?

oh god

help me

please help me

*crawls into a corner and rocks back and forth*