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By mswas | Posted Under Book Reviews | Comments (32)



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The Book Thief takes place in a small town in Germany during WWII. The novel is the story of Liesel Meminger, a young foster girl. She and her brother were to have been placed together, but her younger brother unfortunately dies before they get to their destination. This is the first time Death meets up with Liesel, the book thief. Death will see Liesel twice more.

As readers, however, we encounter Death quite a lot more than Liesel, because Death is the book’s narrator. I didn’t mention that in my preview of the novel, because I wanted readers to find out for themselves if they didn’t already know. What did you think of Death as a narrator? Often, he (can we assume Death is male?) tells us exactly what is going to happen in the pages to follow. Are those events made any less because we know what is going to happen?

This depiction of Death as a weary, cynical being is a lot different from the malicious Grim Reaper we often see. This Death isn’t evil and doesn’t cause the end of life. He’s merely a witness and at the moment of dying, a recipient of the person’s soul. Did hearing Death’s voice so frequently give any new meaning death?

“You want to know what I truly look like?

I’ll help you out. Find yourself a mirror while I continue.” —Death

Upon my fervent recommendation of this book, my cousin said that she intended to get the audio book version. I dissuaded her, telling her that the illustrations added so much that I thought she would be missing a huge piece of the novel. They’re simple, even crude sometimes, but they convey a lot. What did you think about the illustrations? Do you think I was right to tell her not to get the book on CD?

The characters in The Book Thief , however, are incredibly well drawn — take Rosa for example. When I encountered her, I thought — based on her language — that Liesel would wind up being abused and hurt by this foster family. But we do eventually see that Rosa’s temper and profanity are defense mechanisms that she uses to cope with all life is serving up to her. What were your initial impressions of Rosa and did that change as the book went on? What about Hans?

Max, though hidden away from most of the other characters in the novel by virtue of being a fugitive Jew hidden in the basement, reveals the most about himself through his stories. Armed with a key hidden in Mein Kampf, Max makes his way to the Hubermann’s and calls in a favor of Hans. His commonalities with Liesel form a deep friendship, but hiding him becomes a terrible burden for the family. But there’s never any doubt that they would hide him as long as they could, even if he’s on death’s door. Or if Death is at Max’s door.

“I realized much later that I actually visited 33 Himmel Street in that period of time…I knelt. I readied myself to insert my hands through the blankets. Then there was a resurgence—an immense struggle against my weight. I withdrew, and with so much work ahead of me, it was nice to be fought off in that little dark room” —Death

I also can’t talk about this book without discussing Rudy - a boy who loves Liesel almost from the moment he first hits her in the face with a snowball, but still manages to become her closest friend. Rudy is an impetuous boy who’s known around town for having donned blackface and run around the school track to emulate Jesse Owens.

“He was the crazy one who had painted himself black and defeated the world

She was the book thief without the words.”

Rudy and Liesel roam through the town and through their adventures, we meet the other citizens of the town. We meet the woman who will provide Liesel with other books to steal, Ilsa Hermann - the mayor’s wife. Frau Holtzapfel is the neighbor with whom Rosa has feuded for many years. Hans Junior is Rosa and Hans’ son who has been indoctrinated by the Nazis and thinks his father is a coward for not following suit. Viktor Chemmel becomes the leader of a group of thieves that Rudy and Liesel encounter.
I must note one more thing about this novel, the language. It is so exquisitely precise. Every harsh and sweet and beautiful word pierces and takes my breath away. There are so many perfect phrases, describing the most terrible things — loss, death, loneliness and fear - and then the same creativity turns its eye to love and hope. It’s just wonderful.

“I have hated the words, and I have loved them, and I hope I have made them right.” — Liesel









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Comments

I finished this last night and was in tears. It was really a lot better than I expected, especially with the language. I was trying to describe the book to a friend later and one thing I said was that I don't actually think that Zesak is a very good writer, like when it comes to constructing words and sentences.

Hear me out before jumping down my throat.

A lot of his sentences, when taken separately and not as a whole, really make no sense. He likes to give things, objects, human verbs, and I've actually had to reread sentences just to understand the "Sense" that he was trying to convey. I remember one particular sentence, "The sight propelled itself through the doorway..." something like that and I remember thinking, "what? No. Who propelled what?"

But what he's excellent at is conveying feeling and emotion through his writing. I started getting choked-throat about 10 pages because his writing is just so effective.

I'll write more later. Great book choice, mswas!

Posted by: denesteak at July 30, 2010 1:51 PM

zusak. not zesak. I also love his name btw. It's so Eastern-european.

Posted by: denesteak at July 30, 2010 1:53 PM

This sounds interesting. I didn't see the announcement for this to be the new Book Club discussion novel before today. I popped over to Amazon to wish list it (that's how I keep track of my books to get later at the library) and noticed that I read his earlier novel called "I Am the Messenger". That one was quite enjoyable and stuck with me after it was done but I can see it being a love-it or hate-it kind of book - especially the ending.

Sorry for the digression, just wish I'd known about this one before now.

Posted by: TylerDFC at July 30, 2010 2:05 PM

I read this last autumn and I found his writing to be beautiful: there were a few passages that I copied into a notebook I keep of really good sentences and passages from books I have read. However, story-wise I thought it suffered greatly from the fact that SPOILER all of the central characters were good Germans who stood up to the Nazis and the townspeople. It would have made a better story to have one or two of the characters very likable but still supportive of the Reich since that would tug at our emotions so much more. It's easy to root for the key people when they are so brave and good, less easy when their loyalties pull us in different directions.

Posted by: PaddyDog at July 30, 2010 2:20 PM

I never saw the announcement for this either...I wish I knew about it, it sounds like a great read. I'm interested in books, film, television that present death and loss in an interesting way, like The Graveyard Book. I never would have thought to read that if it hadn't been for the Pajiba Book Club.

Posted by: Dorothy Snarker at July 30, 2010 2:28 PM

PaddyDog There is the conflict between Hans Jr and Sr because the younger man supports the Nazis. The son thinks his father is a coward for not supporting the Reich.

TylerDFC/Dorothy Snarker - sorry you missed the announcement, but I hope you'll read this book sometime. I have I am the Messenger out from the library right now, but I have only gotten a few pages in so far.

Posted by: Garfield at July 30, 2010 2:38 PM

whoops, "Garfield" above is really me.

Posted by: mswas at July 30, 2010 2:43 PM

I finished this book on an airplane two years, and I couldn't help but publicly sob at the book's conclusion.

In a world of Gossip Girls and Clique books, The Book Thief gave me immense faith in the Young Adult genre. So good. Lost childhood, the power of literacy, the strength of family (especially adopted families), the destruction of war, and the joy of first love. I am still blown away that a YA book combines all of these themes flawlessly in one single book.

Posted by: Ruth at July 30, 2010 3:09 PM

What did you think of Death as a narrator? Often, he (can we assume Death is male?) tells us exactly what is going to happen in the pages to follow. Are those events made any less because we know what is going to happen?

I really liked how Zusak portrayed Death as an over-worked cynical being who does not have a vacation to hope for. I also liked how Death thinks his "Vacation" as the snatches of colors he notices in the sky, which is kinda like how I think Liesel might have thought of the good times of her life. I mean, there was so much awful, terrible stuff happening, but whenever something great and happy happened, I could actually feel Lisel reveling in it and really try and live it. She's not bogged down by all the other sad events in her life, not so much so that she can't enjoy her time with her father or playing with Rudy.

And it made me think maybe that's why Death was so focused on Liesel (I wondered throughout the book why Liesel is special to Death. Why more special than other girls in Nazi Germany or most other people in the history of his line of work?) I loved that one line at the end where he said that Death always overestimates and underestimates humans - he's never just right about their abilities to destroy and to love. And I could really see that (in a lesser extent) in Liesel too, like when she was cruel to Ilsa Hermann after Ilsa tried to tell her that they no longer needed her Mama's services. Or how she was willing to cling onto Max during the procession of Jews even though she was getting whipped.

I also didn't mind that Death gave away the endings for some of the characters. Like I said earlier, I was not so much floored by Zusak's words as I was by the emotion he was able to get out of me. So even though he would say, "Papa would pass away in so and so months," I knew my heart would still be broken as he described it later. Like he himself said, it's not the ending that matters, it's how they get there.

Posted by: denesteak at July 30, 2010 3:24 PM

I hate to admit I didn't read this. It sat on my nightstand for two weeks and I just couldn't pick it up. The reviews sound like it is very good, but not something I would enjoy right now. Maybe I'll try again another day.

What's the next book? We all need to put it in our library queues.

Posted by: Mrs Smith at July 30, 2010 5:00 PM

Mrs Smith- next month I hope to finally get around to "A Supposedly Fun Thing I'll Never Do Again" by David Foster Wallace. Initially I wanted to read this in May, but life got in the way. It is a great summer book. Get your library requests in now.

Ms Was- Great job with the review. I am trapped at work until at least 8:00 tonight so I am having trouble participating (The last working day of the month is always like this, I don't know why I encouraged a monthly cycle for the book club).

This is the second young adult novel we have read as a Pajiba Book Club (after The Graveyard Book) and I see a lot of similarities in the responses of each one. Neither book shies away from tragedy and death, both were very well written, but also the way they both provoked strong emotional responses from our readers. I wonder how much is coincidence (we happened to pick two exceptionally strong YA novels) or if there is something about this category that breaks down our defenses more easily. I'm not trying to take anything away from Zusak and Gaiman, but do any of you think that it is easier to submit to the emotional appeals in their work as opposed to, say, Margret Atwood or Ian McEwan or other adult fiction writers? Do we approach books written for a younger audience in a less jaded, less cynical way? Just a thought.

I also like Dene's comment about the writing. Sometimes it could be a bit jarring the way he composed an idea, and while I can maybe see what he is going for it usually isn't a good thing to be taken out of the story and made conscious of the word choice. It's a minor quibble, though.


Posted by: Yossarian at July 30, 2010 6:34 PM

Confession time: I was unimpressed by this book. Perhaps it was all the raving reviews I'd read, or maybe the Dutch translation is just crap, but I found it to be underwhelming. I couldn't really make myself care about any of the characters, and the swearwords felt... gratuitous somehow. I dunno. Coarse, without something to make up for it.

I feel like I'm not expressing myself properly. >

Posted by: Linda at July 30, 2010 7:02 PM

Oh yes! We'll get to discuss A Supposedly Fun Thing! I really liked that book.

I think the difference between the YA books and the adult books (sounds dirty) we've read so far is that the YA books have been more willing to just go straight to the emotional center and wrench the "FEELING" out.

Writers for grown-up books tend to like teasing the feelings out, kinda circling it and seeing the problem from different angles, and then instead of stating the problem and dealing with it from there, protagonists from adult books prefer for it to simmer in them, and then have the issue manifest itself later. (This can be taken either literally or metaphorically in the context of a typical grown-up book.)

The thing is - in most YA books, the protagonists are often children or on the cusp between child and adult. There is still a very definite sense of right and wrong, good and bad - almost like the universal sense - and when those things get imbalanced, we tend to see the world through the protagonist's eyes/POV (at least, if the writer is good) and so yes, my reaction does tend to be more visceral than if I have to identify with some protagonist who has gone through life and has his/her own ideas of right and wrong and is trying to find his/her own path using their subjective pov.

I feel like I'm not explaining this very well. Anyway, my point is that the reason why I react strongly to characters in YA books more than adult books isn't because my defenses are down with children book writers, as yossarian said. It's because, with a good children's/YA book, I see the crisis/problem/trouble the same way the protagonist would and I very clearly am able to feel why it is so devastating. With an adult protagonist, I sometimes react, "Eh... i wouldn't do that, but I guess I can understand it."

But I do react as strongly towards coming-of-age characters in books written by adult-book-writers. One of my favorite characters ever is Cal from East of Eden. He broke my heart. So I do really believe that the skill of the writers, above all, play a part.

Posted by: denesteak at July 30, 2010 8:35 PM

I just reread what I wrote and I feel like I made no sense.

This is what I meant to say:
Youthful protagonist with a naive/youthful/too-early-to-be-harden point of view helps in making me feel strongly about his/her situation in a book. So it is in the sense that YA novels succeed because most of their protagonists are so.

However, the empathy/sympathy/identification I feel toward the protagonist ultimately lies with the author, whether he be a YA writer or a writer for grown-up books.

There. Phew.

Posted by: denesteak at July 30, 2010 8:40 PM

You read this book with drawings?
I'm shocked!
I read it quite a while ago but I still remember how much I loved it and the fact that I also cried with it. It is amazing and this is the first book review I visit because I wanted to feel smarter by telling you all that I had already read the thing.

I recommend it tremendously.
I love Death

Posted by: james at July 30, 2010 10:28 PM

Youthful protagonist with a naive/youthful/too-early-to-be-harden point of view

denesteak Is it that they are the underdog and deserve to be rooted for? You can't be in a much weaker position than being the child in an adult world.

Linda - I've just started Zusak's other book, I am the Messenger, which TylerDFC mentions. I can't say how different it is, yet, but I wonder if the translation of that book is similarly lacking...

Posted by: mswas at July 30, 2010 10:34 PM

It was wonderful, wasn't it James? It's my new book to recommend to everyone I know.

Posted by: mswas at July 30, 2010 10:49 PM

I am so glad to see this on here. I read it last year and just thought of literally yesterday and could not remember the name of the book. What a great coincidence! The only thing I could really remember well about the plot was the man in the basement, and the book the boy writes. I guess I need to reread it.

Posted by: mhs.sally at July 31, 2010 12:11 AM

Okay, after reading more about this book I remember why I forgot about it, if that makes sense. Emotional protection! Books that make me cry and cry are a good cathartic experience, but I tend to not return to them.

Posted by: mhs.sally at July 31, 2010 12:19 AM

To put it plainly, this is one of the only things I would grab when the Zombie Apocalypse comes a-calling.

This book is an emotionally abusive bitch that could teach Oprah and the Non-Speeding advertisements something about pulling on the heartstrings of the masses

I don't cry at movies, t.v shows or when i accidently sever limbs, but this had me wailing like a 13 year old girl when she finds out that RPatz is an unwashed gorilla not a sexually frustrated vampire.

I heart this book long time!

Posted by: caity at July 31, 2010 4:55 AM

Well crap guys, I thought this discussion was today not yesterday. I'm late but here's my two cents anyway...

First off, I loved this book. I'm actually a sucker for stories set in WWII so it was already right in my wheelhouse. I think what struck me the most was the contrast between Death as the narrator and the certainty of death and the horrors "he" witnesses over the millenia, and the story of Liesel and the experience of growing from a child into an adult, which still held a lot of joy even during the sad and difficult times.

What did you think of Death as a narrator? Often, he tells us exactly what is going to happen in the pages to follow. Are those events made any less because we know what is going to happen?

For me, this made it more poignant because you knew their time was limited while they did not. This is especially true with Rudy, who was my favorite character, and when Death first tells us Rudy will be dead very soon I cried. And then when Rudy actually died, I'm not ashamed to admit that I sobbed hysterically.

A few miscellaneous things... I liked the introduction chapters outlining the three times Death meets Liesel and how the colors he sees are red,white and black, which set the tone for the Hitler era the book is set in.

I enjoyed Death's commentary and his notes throughout and I'm one of the people who enjoyed Zusak's style of writing. I think that he has a gift for evoking strong images and emotions with his words. One of my particularly favorite passages is when Rudy is listening to his parents talk to the Reich officers about sending him off to school. He and his siblings are playing dominoes:

He made three separate formations that led to the same tower of dominoes in the middle. Together, they would watch everything that was so carefully planned collapse, and they would all smile at the beauty of destruction."


Sorry this post ended up rather long, there was quite a bit I enjoyed about this book. It was an engrossing read and drew out characters I really enjoyed and sympathized with and I'm glad I read it.

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Posted by: mary at July 31, 2010 12:07 PM

Even Stevens, glad for your $0.02.

It was so hard to keep my love for this book down to a short document. I could have gone on and on, and I knew I left stuff out, like the colors.

You said he has a gift for evoking strong images and emotions with his words.

So right, and in many cases - very few words. Just a sparse, short sentence, and I was reduced to a pile of blubbering goo.

"She was saying goodbye, and she didn't even know it."

Posted by: mswas at July 31, 2010 4:39 PM

Rudy was definitely one of my favorite characters too, Even Stevens. I kept rooting for Liesel to kiss him even though Death had said pretty early on that she would only kiss him after he was dead.

Posted by: denesteak at August 1, 2010 12:02 AM

I read this book for the first time years ago and it's been my favourite ever since. The first book to actually make me cry and really fall in love with the characters.

The audio tape would've lost so much that is conveyed in the book, especially being given the characters instead of creating them yourself while you read.

I recommend this book to absolutely anyone.
Fantastic.

Posted by: KJ at August 1, 2010 8:45 AM

Upon my fervent recommendation of this book, my cousin said that she intended to get the audio book version. I dissuaded her, telling her that the illustrations added so much that I thought she would be missing a huge piece of the novel. They’re simple, even crude sometimes, but they convey a lot.

Ha, I got the audiobook version. I only realized this was the book up for discussion last week so I figured the audiobook would be the fastest way to "read" it. (And I love audiobooks--can listen while cleaning house or making dinner or whatever.) I had no earthly idea there were illustrations. Now I feel like I missed out--I'll have to go ahead and find the actual book version now.

At first I thought Death as a narrator was a very hokey concept, but I warmed to it. He was certainly a very big character in WWII so why not make him narrate a WWII book, after all.

Even without the illustrations, this was a very emotional book--swinging between warm and fuzzy and gut-wrenchingly painful. Yes, some of the sentence construction was a little odd, but it also seemed very lyrical.

Oh, and Death had a snooty British accent on the audiobook version--I sometimes found that distracting and I wonder what it would have been like to read it hearing my own version of his voice in my head.

Posted by: pickled tink at August 1, 2010 3:38 PM

me too, Dene! I knew it wasn't going to happen but I wanted her to kiss him so badly anyway. Poor Rudy.

Posted by: Even Stevens at August 1, 2010 6:18 PM

oh and Pickled, I find it rather amusing that they made Death British on the audio tape. In my head, he had a sardonic, world weary I've-seen-it-all type of voice. If that makes sense.

and mswas, great pick for the book of the month. When is the next one announced?

Posted by: Even Stevens at August 1, 2010 6:24 PM

How interesting that someone did catch the audio version! I didn't figure Death to have a British accent, but even the Brits can be world-weary.

So glad everyone liked this book. I don't know about the next book. We'll try to get the word out though.

Posted by: mswas at August 2, 2010 9:46 AM

I...but...goddamnit! Wait. How did I miss that this was this month's book? I'm halfway through, and had to return it to the library, which reminds me that I need to request it again. So, I can't join in the discussion, 'cause I don't want to know what happens.

Posted by: tamatha at August 2, 2010 2:46 PM

tamatha - you're not the first to say they didn't know it was this month's selection. I've emailed Dustin about that so we can better promote the months to come.

Posted by: mswas at August 2, 2010 9:35 PM

*I’d have to check with you here. Which is not something I usually do! I enjoy reading a post that will make people think. Also, thanks for allowing me to comment!

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