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The Top Ten Pansy White Boy Bands


A Seriously Random Music List / Steven Lloyd Wilson & Dustin Rowles

Music | May 29, 2009 | Comments (100)


Pajiba Music has been around for about six months now. And TK has been gone for two days, which is about as long as it takes Steven and I to completely decimate the reputation that the regular cadre of Pajiba Music writers has built up around here. Our apologies. That said: It’s time to sing it loud. Sing it proud. Let that inner-white boy out, y’all. Own it. Love it. Flaunt it. It’s time to stop being ashamed of it. And we’re about to completely out uncool every goddamn last one of you.

Here goes: The Ten Best Pansy White Boy Bands.

Toad the Wet Sprocket

Aside from an awful band name (a Monty Python reference that even the band hated), I think Toad the Wet Sprocket is an unfairly maligned band. Spin, I believe, even placed them among the worst 100 bands of all time. Many have written that they were R.E.M. knock-offs, which Toad’s lead singer, Glen Phillips, never took issue with. It’s a fair criticism, but in the 90s, you could do a lot worse than knocking off R.E.M.

Most probably only know Toad the Wet Sprocket because of their major hits from Fear, “Walk on the Ocean” and “All I Want,” in addition to a minor hit on their follow-up, “Fall Down,” from the fantastic album, Dulcinea, which also featured one of my favorite Toad songs of all time, the Don Quixote inspired “Windmills.” You may also recognize them from a few of their choice soundtrack numbers, “Little Heaven,” from the Buffy the Vampire Slayer movie, “Brother,” from So I Married an Axe Murderer, or “Crazy Life,” from Empire Records.

And though I may be embarrassed to admit my fondness for a few of the bands on this list, Toad is one of those bands I haven’t been able to let go of since the 90s, and I still find myself listening to Dulcinea once a month. More surprising is that the lead singer, Glen Phillips, formed a solo career after the band’s break-up in 1998, and his solo stuff is far more remarkable, both from an objective and subjective stand-point. He even made an album with Nickel Creek several years ago. His solo music is harder to find, but it’s worth the effort if you like pansy white boy acoustic rock. And if you listen to adult alternative radio, which is my genre of choice, they still slip Toad the Wet Sprocket in occasionally among the Wilco, Ryan Adams, and Patty Griffin numbers. Dustin Rowles


Barenaked Ladies

They once guest starred and performed on “Two Guys and a Girl.” It’s rumored that “I’ll Be That Girl” is an ode to Ryan Reynolds’ abs. They’ve always written quirky songs that tend to tell stories, particularly off-the-wall ones. Kind of a low calorie version of They Might Be Giants, with odes to alcohol (“Alcohol”), the narration of a bank robbery gone awry (“Bank Job”), breaking into an ex’s apartment (“The Old Apartment”) and they even released their own holiday album (Barenaked for the Holidays).

A joy underlies even their saddest songs, grinning through tears. Their songs become utterly sublime when you get a loud stereo, a metric booze-ton of beer, and 30 people who know all the lyrics screaming the words together into the night. Plus they’re Canadian, eh. Steven Lloyd Wilson

Crowded House

Crowded House is a fairly obscure band in the United States, but one of the more popular bands in Europe during the late 80s and 90s, and still one of the most popular pansy white boy bands in Australia. Formed after Neil Finn and Paul Hester left the influential Split Enz, Crowded House was something of a one-hit wonder in the States. “Don’t Dream It’s Over,” won Crowded House MTV’s best new band in 1987, and then they disappeared commercially. But after that decent debut album, they added Neil Finn’s older brother and founding member of Split Enz, Tim Finn, and put out some of the best unheard music of the 90s: Temple of Low Men, Woodface, and the Maori influenced, Together Alone. In fact, you’d be hard-pressed to find a more Beatlesesque band than Crowded House — they are full-on melody after soothing melody, many of which can break your fucking heart.

After breaking up in 1996, the band reformed in 2006 after their drummer, Paul Hester, killed himself. They’ve put out another album since, 2007’s Time on Earth. In the interim, Neil Finn and his brother, Tim, put out a few phenomenal albums under the band name Finn (they had a song featured prominently on “Sports Night.”) One of my more painful memories, in fact, came while Finn was touring, and I didn’t realize they were playing in Boston until I coincidentally drove by the venue during the concert (the old Paradise Club) and noticed their names on the marquee. I learned the next day that Eddie Vedder had joined them onstage. Bitter. DR


The Wallflowers

Jakob Dylan’s project was dedicated to proving that not all offspring of 60s music gods were born bereft of musical talent. They hit the mainstream with Bringing Down the Horse, particularly the first track “One Headlight.” Later efforts were not as commercially successful, but their sound has continued to mature, and Jakob Dylan took a break to release a solo album last year.

Both the Wallflowers and solo Dylan have a schizophrenia to their songs, jumping back and forth between incredibly somber and thoughtful to almost terrifyingly cheery. Dylan’s solo album has perhaps the starkest example with “Something Good this Way Comes” coming a few tracks after “Evil is Alive” and “Well.” I’m still not sure if Dylan’s weaving a prodigious level of irony into the happy stuff or if he flips a coin every hour to decide between cutting himself and playing with cartoon animals. — SLW

Travis

If Toad the Wet Sprocket were known as an R.E.M. copycat band, Travis is probably best known as one of the more popular Radiohead copycats. They’re basically a lesser talented Radiohead without the sonic sound, and (sorry) they were influential in paving the way for this generation’s pansy white boy bands, Coldplay, Keane (ack! too white) and Snow Patrol. Before anyone had ever heard of them stateside (they are from Glasgow), I caught them opening for Ben Folds in 1996, supporting their upbeat, Good Feeling, and they blew me away (this was before they became considerably more maudlin).

Basically, if you like Coldplay but wish they were a little less bombastic and a lot less full of themselves, you’d probably dig Travis. Their biggest hit here, I believe, is “Why Does It Always Rain on Me,” one of their many melodiously melancholy songs. Their first three albums — Good Feeling, The Invisible Band and The Man Who — were brilliant, if you’re into white boy pansiness, although they’re last few efforts have become more generic affairs. DR

Matchbox 20

Rob Thomas is so white that he made Santana mainstream enough to win a Grammy. But back in the 90s, who didn’t own Yourself or Someone Like You? They even got to have a miniature contrived controversy when some feminist groups protested that “Push” glorified the physical abuse of women. It all was OK once Rob explained to the media that the song was about a woman abusing a man emotionally, which is really the foundation of most healthy relationships anyway.

Matchbox 20’s songs hit that perfect medium of white boy pussy rock. They’re angsty, but not so angsty that they’re emo. They’re angry, but not so angry that they’re metal. Some call that perfect medium mediocrity, but I call it … well OK, it might be mediocrity, but it’s awesome mediocrity.

Rob Thomas has done some solo work the last few years, most notably his foray into acting playing a deranged mental patient version of himself in an episode of “It’s Always Sunny in Philadelphia.” SLW

Gin Blossoms

*Shame band* If you were a white boy coming of age in the early 90s and you weren’t listening to New Miserable Experience, you’re just fucking lying. First of all, it was the perfect teenage break-up album (“Until I Fall Away,” “Cheatin”) especially if you were dating a girl named Allison (“Allison Road”), and second of all, you didn’t really have a choice in the matter. They played this album’s singles anywhere you went — they were omnipresent, on the radio, in elevators, at the grocery store, at your school dances, and on every jukebox in America. Hell, I’d be surprised if you could go to church in 1993 without the choir breaking out into “Hey Jealousy.” “Found Out About You,” would worm itself into your brain and not leave for days — it was like a tapeworm. You had to physically pull it out of you.

Indeed, Gin Blossoms were the lightest rock band allowed under the law. They had absolutely no edge whatsoever, and yet they were almost impossible not to listen to. They followed New Miserable Experience up with the much less successful, Congratulations … I’m Sorry. And if you bought that album, or their next album, Major Lodge Victory, then you are even whiter than I am. See also: Dishwalla, Third Eye Bland, and Goo Goo Dolls. DR


Counting Crows

Counting Crows’ first couple of albums provided the soundtrack for just about anybody hitting late teens/early 20s during the 90s. We dreamed to “Mr. Jones,” pined to “A Murder of One,” plunged through our first heartbreaks to “A Long December.” And Adam Duritz can whine with the best of them, no fooling.

They are especially notable for how much better they are live, and how open they are to the fan culture of bootlegging. The band encourages fans to record, copy and share bootlegs of their concerts, going so far as to hosting a website to coordinate trading of recordings amongst fans.

In fact, they had the sheer chutzpa to release a two-CD live album (Across the Wire) when they only had two studio albums, but that album still stands up as one of the great live albums, capturing the songs of the albums but injecting them with more urgency and raw emotion than the studio takes. SLW

Dave Matthews Band

The older kids had Grateful Dead, the cooler kids had Phish, and the rest of us got Dave Matthews Band. But fuck it: I dig the hell out of DMB. I saw them at a killer concert in a very small venue in Memphis in 1993 when they were touring on the Remember Two Things EP and saw them again several years at an outdoor stadium with 50,000 assholes. But it’s not the band’s fault that much of their following consists of douchebags, and it certainly not reflected in their mainstream accessible jam band songs. Under the Table and Dreaming was one of the best albums of the 90s, and if you could listen to “Ants Marching” or “What Would You Say,” without doing that stand-still hammer dance that Dave does, then you just aren’t alive. How good was “Dancing Nancies”? Damn good. Crash had quite a few great songs (though, the overplayed “Crash into Me” still wears on me), including the albums ass-kicking debut single, “So Much to Say.”

Unfortunately, after Crash they released too many goddamn live albums, and while I tried to stay on top of them for a while, I eventually lost patience, though I still buy all their studio efforts. And I’m not ashamed to admit I’m looking forward to the next CD, out in early June. DR

Hootie & the Blowfish

And for the win, Hootie & the Blowfish is the best white boy rock band of all time. This band is so white that Darius Rucker makes Tiger Woods look like the unholy love child of Snoop Dogg and Shaft.

In order to have some modicum of musical credibility, I always tell people that the first CD I ever bought was Nirvana’s Nevermind, but I can confess in this sanctuary that it was Cracked Rear View. Hootie & the Blowfish began as a cover band but erupted into the anti-grunge bestseller of 1995. The irony is that although people billed the success of Hootie as a backlash against the nihilism of grunge, Cracked Rear View is not a happy and insipid album. Oh sure, it had “Hold My Hand,” “Only Wanna Be With You” and playing catch with Dan Marino, but it also featured “Let Her Cry” (the horror of dealing with an addict you love), “Drowning” (racism in the south), and “Not Even the Trees” (the death of his mother).

Darius Rucker went on to a successful solo country music career once Dan Marino filed a restraining order. If you happen to be in South Carolina this spring you may be able to catch the limited run of a ballet chronicling the early years of Hootie & the Blowfish, featuring the band itself playing its songs. Autobiographical ballet is now my barometer for musical success. SLW


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Comments

Damn! I feel about two shade darker after reading that.

Posted by: admin at May 28, 2009 12:07 PM

"white boy pussy rock"

Really, guys? Really?

Posted by: Kate at May 28, 2009 12:07 PM

I love DMB and The Barenaked Ladies. Love them. Have seen them both more than five times each, and every show has been energetic and insanely entertaining. I don't care how lame it makes me seem, but I still get chills from the violin in "Warehouse" and the lyrics to "The Best of What's Around" have always perfectly illustrated how I feel about my friends.

Posted by: Julie at May 28, 2009 12:11 PM

okay, seriously guys, to the powers that be -

who ever is in charge of Ad Sales for this site,

PLEASE STOP SELLING TIME TO THOSE "INTERACTIVE ADS!"

sorry to be the squeaky bitch about it, but the last thing i want when I click on a new page is a high-volume ad about bleach.

Posted by: withnail at May 28, 2009 12:12 PM

Please tell me that you considered Sister Hazel?

Now I've shared too much.

Posted by: branded at May 28, 2009 12:12 PM

I'm proud to say that I like at least one or two songs from all of these folks and in the case of DMB and Counting Crows, I'm a full on fan.
Hell, I even like The Goo Goo Dolls, Third Eye Blind and a band called 'James'.
I've never hidden my predilection for this kind of music.
So, good on ya' fellers.

Posted by: Spender at May 28, 2009 12:12 PM

God, I'm so white. Not only have I seen DMB twice, but I've seen the arguably even whiter Better Than Ezra five (yep, FIVE) times.

I heart the mid-90s sound, Kevin Griffin is a damn good front man, they're really fun at small venues, and....and I still can't justify it. Much like the previous comment diversion, the rest of my music obsessions swing either to feminist art-punk, screeching females banging on pianos, or the Trent Reznor oeuvre, but when it comes down to it? My TRUE favorite bands are DMB and BTE.

Posted by: Tammy at May 28, 2009 12:13 PM

Spender, we almost escaped without 3eb being grouped in with MB20 and the like. Damnit!

I counter that they do not belong on this list.

I like some Matchbox 20 and Counting Crows, they're catchy and fun, but I genuinely believe Third Eye Blind is good music. This could be because I've seen them 5 or 6 times in concert. Am I kidding myself?

Posted by: Kate at May 28, 2009 12:17 PM

Wow, even though most of the musicians I listen too are white, at least they were influenced by black people. The amazing thing about Dave Matthews is that even though he's in the whitest band ever, three of the members are black, and Matthewes is a literal African American.

Posted by: George at May 28, 2009 12:18 PM

Ugh, just saw their "entry" under the Gin Blossoms. *sigh*

Posted by: Kate at May 28, 2009 12:20 PM

Is it bad that viewing all these videos makes me really happy...ahh highschool...*sigh.

Posted by: griffimx at May 28, 2009 12:20 PM

Does John Mayer count as a band? Cause he's pretty pale.

Posted by: admin at May 28, 2009 12:25 PM

I own two Barenaked Ladies albums (one of them being Barenaked for the Holidays, which is a family favorite) and have Gin Blossoms New Miserable Experience on my iTunes. Never got into DMB. Didn't mind when they came on the radio, but I was never going out of my way to get their stuff or see them live despite having several fans who are die-hards about going to the shows.

The rest are pretty meh. It's like getting pizza for lunch; sometimes it's exactly what you want and other times it's just something you don't hate.

Posted by: Genny (also Rusty) at May 28, 2009 12:29 PM

Let's not disgrace the others on this list with his inclusion.

Posted by: Kate at May 28, 2009 12:30 PM

“Found Out About You,” would worm itself into your brain and not leave for days

It did a few weeks ago, actually. Never owned the album though.

I've disliked Counting Crows from day one. Had to see them once because they opened for Cracker.

Posted by: Jay at May 28, 2009 12:36 PM

I like some Matchbox 20 and Counting Crows, they're catchy and fun, but I genuinely believe Third Eye Blind is good music. This could be because I've seen them 5 or 6 times in concert. Am I kidding myself?

I don't think you are, Kate. Every time a 3EB song comes up on my iPod, I'm reminded how great they are. It's just a shame that they kinda faded away. I love their first album in particular.

Posted by: Melissa at May 28, 2009 12:39 PM

I will never apologize for my love of the Gin Blossoms or BNL. But as for DMB, ick, do I look like a freakin hippie? Since you can't actually see me the answer to that question is no, I do not look like a hippie.

Posted by: Jadashay at May 28, 2009 12:39 PM

I nominate Rush.

Posted by: Whorish Mouth at May 28, 2009 12:39 PM

Dammit. I almost escaped with all my negro cred intact until I got tripped up by Hootie at the end. The summer after I met the woman who is now my wife, either "Let Her Cry" or "Hold My Hand" was somehow on the radio everyday when I left work and I would sing along at the time of my missing-my-true-love lungs. Feh.

Posted by: Tracer Bullet at May 28, 2009 12:39 PM

The Gin Blossoms were the soundtrack to my emotional downward spiral that was senior year of college. I texted "You were the best I ever had/If I hadn't blown the whole thing years ago, I might not be so alone" to a girl after blacking out but before realizing that I was walking towards a train.

It was a bad night.

In other music news, I want to punch Adam Duritz in the face. He cancelled a show last week an hour before doors opened, after I had just driven 3 hours to London. Then he bitches at his fans on twitter for being pissed at him and called us all whining bitches for being upset. "Don't you understand, it costs us money to have to cancel a show?" Sorry, Mr. Rockstar.

But I love the fuck out of his music.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at May 28, 2009 12:46 PM

Darius who? It's Hootie, dammit. And he doesn't need the Blowfish no more.

Posted by: annoyingmouse at May 28, 2009 12:48 PM

My sister was a 3EB fan. When we were teenagers, I listened to that album 6 times straight through on a road trip because she was controlling the music.
Later that night, I took a compass (math class, not directional) and scratched the hell out of the cd so it wouldn't play again.

Posted by: Jim Doggie at May 28, 2009 12:49 PM

wow, this list of bands makes ears want to cry.

Posted by: LMIH at May 28, 2009 12:50 PM

I'm pretty sure i just had a 90's-gasm

Posted by: letsspon at May 28, 2009 12:52 PM

still one of the most popular pansy white boy bands in Australia

Aww Dustin. Crowded House may be pansy white boys to you, but we would never call them so here in Australia.

Performances like this give me chills.

Posted by: Brittany at May 28, 2009 1:05 PM

Travis has a a lovely (at least relative to the source material) cover of "Hit Me Baby, One More Time". I like it.

I basically like all of these bands, with the exception of the Wallflowers and the Barenaked Ladies. BNL were kind of all over everywhere in my youth, holiday specials on tv galore and such (good ol' Canadia). The only Canadian who would admit to actually liking them would be over 54 or a complete moron.

Posted by: kalafraja at May 28, 2009 1:07 PM

I used to have a recurring dream that I was at a party, and Darius Rucker was also in attendance. I would keep calling him Hootie and he'd get flustered and tell me, "Stop calling me that, my name is Darius." Things would escalate to yelling and I'd wake up laughing.

The strangest part is, I never listened to Hootie & The Blowfish enough to know his name was Darius. Yet it crept in to my sleeping subconscious somehow. Anyone out there want to analyze that?

Posted by: ernesto at May 28, 2009 1:07 PM

Oh and you'll be killed for mentioning "Ants Marching". I only know the intro, but the intro's the main problem.


Fuck!

Posted by: Jay at May 28, 2009 1:09 PM

I had to quit listening to DMB once they started putting Warehouse on every goddam album...

Posted by: Skitz at May 28, 2009 1:13 PM

I grew up in Phoenix. Used to fake the stamp to sneak into the Sun Club to see the Blossoms way back in the day and I'm not one bit sorry.

Posted by: jack at May 28, 2009 1:24 PM

Do I have to jump up on my desk and defend my love of Travis? Because live, they are decidedly un-pussified. Favorite band of all time, and I'm not sure why I'm supposed to somehow be embarassed of this.

I'm also a firm lover of the Toad. Seriously. Awesome. And I'm with everyone on 3eb. All the Jenkins and Co. love fills me with the need to go listen to "In the Background" on repeat and weep. Just like I did all freshman year of high school.

Posted by: Courtney at May 28, 2009 1:25 PM

I HATE Hootie & The Fucking Blowfish.

I'm a native of Columbia, SC and I graduated from the University of SC in 1992. I used to see Hootie when they played at places in Five Points and I realized that although Jim Sonefeld wasn't a bad guy, Darius Rucker is a true ass wipe. When Cracked Rear View came out in '94 I was living in New Jersey and every asshole White Boy I met wanted to know if I knew them personally. Because, as everyone knows, we're all cousins. Those same White Boys looked at me like I had horns growing out of my head when I tried to explain that I thought their music sucked.

Now because Columbia is notoriously short on home grown celebrities, every fucking spring those dipshits show up. Why won't they just go away???

Posted by: Carolina Girl at May 28, 2009 1:30 PM

I can't believe Blues Traveler isn't here. Perhaps I'm conflating frat-rock with puss-rock?

I can say without reservation that there's not a single Counting Crows, Hootie, or Barenaked Ladies song I can bear for more than ten seconds.

Posted by: samantha t at May 28, 2009 1:31 PM

Holy Christ. Excuse me for just one moment, for this is a real bugaboo for me.

"The Old Apartment" is not, NOT, about an ex's apartment. It's about going back to a place where he used to live and feeling nostalgic. The couple's still together; it's made clear at the end of the song (now they live in "an old house on the Danforth"). The song isn't addressing his ex - it's addressing the new tenant.

I once read a (fairly terrible) book where this was the protagonist's go-to sad song after breaking up with her boyfriend, and ever since it's really bugged when people misunderstand the song. (How could you have it be a major plot point in your book and not think twice about the lyrics?) And this isn't just me here; Ed Robertson wrote in the liner notes for the Greatest Hits album that people usually get it wrong.

Bile is now purged; apologies.

Posted by: Sarah at May 28, 2009 1:33 PM

As to DMB, the songs of theirs I hate, I hate with a passion (Ants Marching) and the songs of theirs I like, I really like (Typical Situation).

Posted by: samantha t at May 28, 2009 1:33 PM

AKA, frat house bands for 90s kids, lol.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 28, 2009 1:36 PM

Many thanks, Brittany. That was fantastic.

Posted by: Dustin Rowles at May 28, 2009 1:36 PM

My co-worker likes Gin Blossoms. Go read about the guy that was in the band that wrote all their hits. From what I've been told, he wrote pretty much all the parts for songs which he wrote. I think he was kicked out of the band before they reached mainstream success due to his alcoholism. Spoiler, he killed himself on/around Xmas.

Posted by: tnassip at May 28, 2009 1:36 PM

Oh and I HATE Good Feeling. Of all the Travis albums, that one makes me want to punch them in the face. That said, the two albums immediately following Good Feeling were significantly better.

They're still trying to sound like Bends-era Radiohead, despite the fact that Radiohead wasn't really RADIOHEAD until OK Computer.

Posted by: ChristianH at May 28, 2009 1:39 PM

I love the Wallflowers. LOVE THEM. They are the ONLY band whose albums I've bought--I have all of them. I love Dylan's voice, and they are just so fucking awesome to me, and I think it's precisely because of what you said. They're all over the place, but their songs are always great, their lyrics perfect and oof, that voice of Dylan's. Love them so much.

And I'm not even white.

And "'Til I hear it from you" is one of the best songs of all time. So shut it.

Posted by: figgy at May 28, 2009 1:41 PM

Apparently I have a fair weather fondness for pansy white boy bands. I would never have guessed this if asked point blank, but the evidence speaks for itself. I also listen to adult alternative radio. Welcome to the 30's, I guess.

And I'm wondering, is this genre of music a continuation of the 'smooth' music movement of the 80's?

BTW - Most bitterly missed concerts would be a great diversion topic. I've definitely had a few of my own.

Posted by: katy at May 28, 2009 2:02 PM

I have been to every DMB concert in the SF Bay area. I own all the studio albums and a several of the live albums.

My roommate in college introduced me to Travis, Radiohead and Coldplay. I've actually gone back recently and started buying their older albums, well Travis and Radiohead. I still sort of don't like Coldplay.

Any other bands on the list...meh, I usually skip the songs on Pandora or change the radio station.

Posted by: DoubleH at May 28, 2009 2:11 PM

This list is the coming-of-age soundtrack for most white suburban or rural (like me) kids of the 90s! (At least, those of us not cool enough back then to listen to rap.) Either I owned the tape or CD of most of these bands, or I was waiting for their songs to come on the radio to hit "record" on my tape deck to make a mix tape. Ah, the good old days.... these kids have it sooooo easy with the iTunes and the mp3 players. Ungrateful little bastards.

Posted by: Ariel at May 28, 2009 2:13 PM

I genuinely believe Third Eye Blind is good music. This could be because I've seen them 5 or 6 times in concert. Am I kidding myself?
Posted by: Kate at May 28, 2009 12:17 PM

Oh, I'm with you, Kate. I tend to mention those bands in a group because they were all having hits around the same time period. "Semi-Charmed Life" is one of the best, most well-produced and arranged rock songs I've ever heard and Stephen Jenkins is my hero because - though he was considerably older than a lot of the kids making music back then - the man carried himself like a rockstar. Hell, I like a few songs from MB 20's first cd and 'Back to Good' is one of my favorite tunes for those days when I'm feeling particularly melancholy.
Glad that both bands are getting at least a little love on this thread.

Posted by: Spender at May 28, 2009 2:24 PM

Pansy White Boy Band lover here! I own most of this music, and have seen 8 of these bands live...2 more than once. Haters!!!

Posted by: MissNev at May 28, 2009 2:32 PM

My heart goes out to Dave Matthews. Somebody get that man an ex-lax.

Posted by: admin at May 28, 2009 2:44 PM

There's not nearly enough love being shown for Toad in the comment section. They are, hands down, my favorite band of all time.

Posted by: JH at May 28, 2009 2:47 PM

This list made me think of itchy Catholic school uniforms, being 16 years old, and my hometown. I got all mushy and nostalgic. Now, Pajiba makes me feel a lot of things, but it doesn't usually make me feel quite like this. If you guys publish a similar list for grunge rock, I'll be in serious trouble.

Posted by: melligans at May 28, 2009 2:55 PM

figgy, we should start our own brown girls who love pansy white boy bands group. I actually WORE OUT my copy of Bringing Down the Horse. I've listened to or owned the albums of all these mofos. And I don't give a fuck.

Posted by: jM at May 28, 2009 3:00 PM

Bravo Dustin! Crowded House is vastly underappreciated here in the US. And I love love love love them? Neil Finn is a genius, and they are a fantastic band to see live (I've seen them about 6 times). Every show is different, they talk to the audience a lot, and Neil often does spontaneous covers (including the jingle from the Viagra commercial).

If you aren't familiar with CH or Neil's solo work, you are missing out!

And I agree, Toad's Dulcinea is a great album!

Posted by: Lemon Poundcake at May 28, 2009 3:24 PM

Oops. There wasn't supposed to be a question about my love for Crowded House. Cause I do love love love love love them!!!

Posted by: Lemon Poundcake at May 28, 2009 3:26 PM

No wonder I never feel at home in Pajiba Music. My first CD was Vulger Display of Power, and I can honestly say that while I recognize just about every band listed here I could only bring to mind ONE freaking song mentioned.

I obviously am not white enough to be here. /shamequit

Posted by: Spike at May 28, 2009 3:27 PM

ah, third eye blind. rare is the band that charts that many ridiculously catchy singles off a debut album. wtf happened to them? how did their deal with the devil expire so quickly? were they good enough to ever justify the lead singer dating charlize theron. why haven't more berkeley english majors turned out to be rock and rollers? you've left us with so many questions, mr. jenkins.

Posted by: icecreammang at May 28, 2009 3:34 PM

I'm SO white...

Posted by: Sofía at May 28, 2009 3:55 PM

Ok, I was going to have to come in here and kick some serious ass if you were dissing on DMB. But you were good to them, so I'm happy. I will agree though that some of their fans are rather douchy. When I saw them at the Gorge back in 2004, there was a bunch of drunk college girls behind us who kept talking about how hot Dave looked that night (seriously?) and as the night progressed they started screaming, "Play Crash! Play Crraassshhhh!!!"

Posted by: Quincy at May 28, 2009 4:13 PM

Rob Thomas and Third Eye Blind both have new music coming out in the next few months. Being a huge fan of pansy white boy bands, I'm pretty excited.

Posted by: Angie at May 28, 2009 4:23 PM

I'm so glad I'm not alone in liking 3eb. They are pretty spectacular live, and while their new stuff isn't as good, it is still decent. And I just now found out that they finally set a release date for the album. Made my day.

Posted by: battgirl at May 28, 2009 4:37 PM

Tammy, I've seen BTE DOZENS of times...last time was less than a month ago. I guess it comes with living in New Orleans...or mainly because it's my best friends favorite band, but I do have a good time. I've never bought a single album, but I know half of their songs. Furthermore, I laughed my ass off on my birthday last year as my friend Harv called Kevin Griffin a douchebag repeatedly across our hibachi table.

I fucking LOVE Counting Crows (one of my favorite live bands) and I used to love DMB (who I so directly following BTE at that show a few weeks ago)...don't really keep up anymore.

Posted by: jamiepants at May 28, 2009 4:54 PM

battgirl, a set release for the album they've been promising for 5 years?!? STFU. I'm throwing a party.

Posted by: Kate at May 28, 2009 4:58 PM

The first CD I ever bought: well, I bought two at once. Space Ghost Surf & Turf, and Weird Al's Off the Deep End. I was 11, sue me.

Posted by: Lucas at May 28, 2009 5:30 PM

They are all revolting, especially Matchbox 20.

Well, maybe except Travis, who did a very nice cover of Killer Queen. They are allowed to live for that.

Posted by: FabMax at May 28, 2009 6:02 PM

This is what happens when you put too much soy product into the food chain....

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Emasculated...

Posted by: Recondite at May 28, 2009 6:19 PM

Dustin, if you're into Glen Phillips, you should check out his song on The Thorns' album called "No Blue Sky." He wrote and sings on the tune, and the Thorns are made up of a host of semi-famous 90's acts, including Matthew Sweet, Pete Droge, and Shawn Mullins. The entire album's pretty damn good.

Posted by: mangrilla at May 28, 2009 6:23 PM

God I hate The Dave Matthews Band. Really, they are just so overrated that I can't take them seriously. They have this ability to annoy me when singing about the fun and joys in life. It's intoxicating, really. I have yet to find a song or an aspect about these guys that is appealing.
Hootie as well, you know who you are.

Posted by: Kamikaze Feminist at May 28, 2009 6:23 PM

The moment I saw the headline I thought "If Matchbox 20 isn't the headliner of this list, I'll uppercut a nun." Good thing they're in here. And the nuns thank you.

I have never liked pansy white boy music. It's just...bland and boring. It's the musical equivalent of cottage cheese.

Posted by: Fredo at May 28, 2009 6:58 PM

So weird, just last week I was having a totally 90's music festival in my apartment (attended by me only), and I had Live Across the Wire in the mix. I think the Counting Crows WERE fantastic and crashed and burned circa Shrek. Great musicians and writers of lyrics.

I always thought Hootie sucked especially since my parents loved them. Didn't care about most of the other bands other than the nostalgic hits from TtWS and Gin Blossoms. Took me years to tell them apart – and Spin Doctors.

Posted by: HB at May 28, 2009 7:02 PM

...

Seriously? I thought this list was going to be scathing or a joke, and it's not. You people really like this stuff.

All I've got to say is, Grow a pair, people!

It's often called 'Rock'. Or 'Jazz'. 'Or Soul'. 'Or Funk', and it beats the shit out of this pansy white boy crap.

Posted by: Some Guy at May 28, 2009 7:28 PM

Ya know, 'Some Guy'... it's perfectly okay for us to like this stuff. It's perfectly okay if you dislike this stuff.
It's not okay to assume that we listen only to this kind of music or that any of us (especially the ladies) need to grow a pair.
I have a dandy pair. Ask your girlfriend.

Posted by: Spender at May 28, 2009 7:55 PM

Oops. Meant to say "Ask your girlfriend. Putz."

Posted by: Spender at May 28, 2009 7:56 PM

I'm perfectly proud to say that I've been to 33 Dave Matthews Band shows in the last ten years, plus one Dave and Tim show and one Dave and Friends show. They are the one band I will always love and always support. That being said, one of the main reasons I've almost stopped going to their shows altogether the last few years is the crowds. HOLY SHIT, does this band attract the douchebags and the douchebagettes. I've met a ton of amazing people through being a fan of DMB, but it is always astounding how many meathead assholes and chain-smoking loud-ass skanks are drawn to the "scene" at the band's shows. I could also probably publish an entire book comprised of the idiotic things I've overheard people saying at shows about the band. I weep for humanity at DMB shows, so it kind of takes the fun out of the whole experience.

With that out of the way, everyone here should pick up a copy of "Before These Crowded Streets," one of the best albums of the last 25 years, at least. "Big Whiskey and the Groogrux King," their new album (which comes out next Tuesday) is also incredible and will hopefully back some of you older fans who've drifted away from the band the last decade.

Posted by: Abe Froman at May 28, 2009 9:16 PM

Sorry, that should read "bring back some of you older fans..." Long day.

Posted by: Abe Froman at May 28, 2009 9:19 PM

DMB's drummer is a total badass.

Posted by: Eep at May 28, 2009 11:42 PM

Blue Flashing Light, the hidden track from The Man Who disqualifies Travis’ from the pansy category

Saturday evening a quarter to five
I would see him arrive at the door
Push you aside as he staggers inside
Spitting alcohol over the floor
A storm is a-brewin it's sure to fall soon
As I look at you from the shore

So you'd better hold on
Cos it's Saturday night
And your friends are all out
And you feel like shit
Cos they never call you
No they never call you
No they never call, never call, never bloody ever ...

Call me a name and I'll hit you again
You're a slut, you're a bitch, you're a whore
Talk to your daddy in that tone of voice
There's a belt hanging over the door
So you run to your room and you hide in your room
Thinking how you can settle the score

But it's Saturday night and a quarter to six
And your friends are all out
But you live in the sticks
Still they never call you
No they never call you
No they never call, never call, never bloody ever call

Blue flashing light last Saturday night
Brought the neighbours all out on the street
Watched as the firemen carried you out
Then we stared at each other's feet
Now everyone sees and yet nobody says
Are we all just afraid of the heat?

But it's Saturday night and I'm lying alone
In the bed that I made, disconnected the phone
Still they never called you
No they never called you
No they never call, never call, never bloody ever call

Took me by surprise when I first left the cd running, I can see why they hid it. Doesn’t exactly sit nicely next to maudlin ballads like “Why does it always rain on me?”

Posted by: Dave Shepherd at May 29, 2009 12:37 AM

I used to think I invented the Counting Crows. Not in a "I made you and I can unmake you, you punk ass kids!" kind of way, but in a "that band did not really exist, I must have read about it in a Sweet Valley High book (seriously) and found them so intriguing that I deluded myself into thinking they actually put out music, because hah, like a band fronted by THAT hair would ever be popular" kind of way. I really, really thought this was true, and I was a little afraid for my sanity because of it. Then I saw one of their CDs in a Barnes and Noble, and that is how I know that I am not a madwoman.

Posted by: SaBrina at May 29, 2009 1:20 AM

Rob Thomas is so white that he made Santana mainstream enough to win a Grammy.

Actually lol'd.

And Dustin - The new DMB album is fantastic. Best since Busted Stuff or These Crowded Streets (you didn't like this? C'mon, "The Dreaming Tree"? "Don't Drink the Water"? Work with me here, man.)

Posted by: misterorange at May 29, 2009 2:16 AM

"Sing" with the banjo is a great song by Travis.

& used to hate, truly fkking hate, ben folds five after that stupid abortion song shes a brick but they grew on me...rockin the suburbs is sublime:

I got shit runnin thru my brain
so intense that i cant explain
all alone in my white boy pain
shake your booty while the band complains...

Posted by: Will at May 29, 2009 7:09 AM

The barenaked ladies = steaming turds

Posted by: The Dude at May 29, 2009 7:11 AM

For all of those on here telling us Pansy White fans to "Grow a Pair" - do YOU only listen to one type of music? I certainly don't - and my BTE, DMB, and Blues Traveler collection certainly doesn't stop me from punching crowd surfers in the kidney during "March of the Pigs" (NIN, USBank Arena, February 2006, thankyouverymuch).

Shockingly, there's room in my collection for both The Ramones AND Barenaked Ladies! Who'd have thunk it?

Posted by: Tammy at May 29, 2009 8:48 AM

I think the category was too limited. Pansy white boy bands could also be hair
-metal bands like Poison and Cinderella.

I would say the REM does fit the bill because they turned real pansy during the
mid-90s.

Posted by: richmac at May 29, 2009 10:08 AM

My wife groans every time that Mr. Jones comes on the radio because I do my best to imitate Durwitzs whiny voice.

Posted by: Travis at May 29, 2009 10:25 AM

Ummmm...define "best" for me. Because I'm pretty sure I hate every one of those bands with the fury of a thousand suns.

Posted by: ASterisk at May 29, 2009 10:59 AM

Do we get one about black bands/groups, too? Or would that be racist?

Posted by: Fuel at May 29, 2009 11:01 AM

What, no Guster? I have bongos and bongos of love for the trio from the Northeast...


Posted by: TK the Other (delurking) at May 29, 2009 11:09 AM

I love that you love Crowded House, Dustin, they are far too underrated here. And Neil Finn's solo album Try Whistling This is pretty much nothing short of genius. Im glad theyre selling out arenas somewhere.

And TK the other , I dont know if Guster is mainstream enough for this list. Although, they did tour with the Barenaked Ladies awhile back, I guess that counts.

Posted by: MG at May 29, 2009 11:27 AM

I don't know much about any of the bands on here (and I would like it to stay that way) but I did live in America for a bit around the end of the 90s/early 2000s and suddenly owned a Wallflowers album AND went to see Third Eye Blind. Thank god I moved back to England otherwise fuck knows what would have happened to me...(a lot of plaid and propensity to shoe gaze I imagine).

(We do have a lot of whiney shite here too. It's very upsetting - the billboard outside my flat is advertising a man named Gary Go who, according to some music rag, is 'The One Man Coldplay' - AAAARRRRRGGGHHHH)

Posted by: queenorangina at May 29, 2009 11:46 AM

but...what about Ben Folds??

Posted by: Kat at May 29, 2009 11:52 AM

DR writes, "In the interim, Neil Finn and his brother, Tim, put out a few phenomenal albums under the band name Finn (they had a song featured prominently on “Sports Night.”) Can anyone tell me what the name of the song was that was featured on Sports Night?

Posted by: Judith at May 29, 2009 2:11 PM

"She Will Have Her Way".
Gorgeous song.

Posted by: Spender at May 29, 2009 8:43 PM

Easiest place to find it? The "Felicity" soundtrack.
Or use TorrentBox, though I would NEVER recommend that kind of action.
No, really.
Just because you can find it on torrentbox.com, that doesn't mean that you should.

Posted by: Spender at May 29, 2009 8:49 PM

Or send an email: eggradiodotcom@yahoo.com
I'll send a copy to you.

(Yeah, I HAVE the Felicity soundtrack. So shoot me.)

Posted by: Spender at May 29, 2009 8:53 PM

I basically like all of these bands, with the exception of the Wallflowers and the Barenaked Ladies. BNL were kind of all over everywhere in my youth, holiday specials on tv galore and such (good ol' Canadia). The only Canadian who would admit to actually liking them would be over 54 or a complete moron.

Posted by: kalafraja at May 28, 2009 1:07 PM

That is such a Canadian thing to say - Canadian save a special place in hell for successful Canadians.

I do dearly love the work of the Finn brothers, in all its forms. I am not sure that I would consider it pansy white boy music, though. Much too dark, for the most part.

Also, I didn't really love Hootie even though they were all over the place when I was in school, but I saw them open for 54/40 once and they were obviously really excited to be playing with that great (Canadian)band who were really at the end of their career. I was charmed.

Posted by: llp at May 29, 2009 11:02 PM

What's the deal with long gone whitty bands... There are plenty of shitty singers today without having to mine the early 90's... Jack Johnson and Brett Dennen top my list...

Posted by: El L Cool J at May 30, 2009 9:58 AM

Cracked Rear View was the first CD I ever bought, too...

Posted by: anna at May 31, 2009 2:22 AM

This is a really great top ten list guys. Solid picks with Matchbox 20 and the Gin Blossoms. Hootie, that is classic, totally reminds me of American Pie with the drummer being called Hootie. Nice commentary too really enjoyably to read. Anyone can post their own list to our site http://www.toptentopten.com/. The coolest feature is you can let other people vote on the rankings of your list.

Posted by: Vince at May 31, 2009 5:15 AM

I would just like to add, without a trace of irony or sarcasm: August and Everything After by the Counting Crows is in fact one of the ten best albums of the 90s. Indisputable.

Posted by: Another Jen at June 1, 2009 3:58 AM

You left out DJ Jazzy Jeff & The Fresh Prince. They were so white, NBC gave them a sitcom.

Posted by: Friendless Nerd at June 1, 2009 3:32 PM

I love Hootie. I love all of these bands. And I am not ashamed. This is the music my first love insisted was the best (and played horribly on his guitar), and I have been hooked ever since. But, "Let Her Cry" stands out because I listen to that song at least once a week and cry. Yes, I fucking cry to it. God, the power of a boy and his acoustic guitar to make this Nirvana girl a fan of pussy white boy rock.

Posted by: Raye Raye at June 2, 2009 10:00 AM

I saw the Counting Crows in concert last night in London.


Holy shit are they terrible live. Adam Duritz is just...mental. He went on long rambling monologues (set to an old timey piano) about how this shit matters because LISTEN TO THIS he once had his heart broken when he was waiting for a plane to land AND IT DIDN'T LAND ON TIME! The dude is a performance art piece.

Posted by: JakesAlterEgo at June 2, 2009 12:00 PM

I confess...I love my too-white bands. Keane, Coldplay, Counting Crows, even DMB for a little while.

Posted by: Bonnie at June 3, 2009 12:47 AM

But back in the 90s, who didn’t own Yourself or Someone Like You?

*Raises hand emphatically*

Sorry, I would have bought the Dishwalla album before I bought that Matchbox 20 shit. They are quite possibly the worst band on this list. Who knows what would've happened to the Gin Blossoms had their chief songwriter, Jesse, not killed himself?

Posted by: Jez at June 9, 2009 1:56 PM