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By Drew Morton | Posted Under Film Reviews | Comments (57)



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Within my retrospective review of Reservoir Dogs (1992), I implied that my favorite Quentin Tarantino film is Jackie Brown (1997). Well, now that I’ve arrived at the film, I’ll explicitly state it: Jackie Brown (henceforth referred to as JB) is not only my favorite Tarantino film (with Dogs running in a very close second) but also one of my favorite films period. I realize this opinion is not held by the majority of Tarantino aficionados nor viewers of the film in general. Generally, their criticisms of the film seem to follow the lines expressed by Pajiba reader BarbadoSlim (paraphrased for length):

I disagree with the conventional film-fan wisdom that says Jackie Brown is Tarantino’s *best* work. It certainly is a more conventional film. Even Quentin himself admits to that, and appears to REGRET having made it (see GQ’s profile on July 09 issue)in fact he goes as far as saying he’ll never go that route again. So while Jackie Brown might be a nicely made mainstream flick it’s not really what many, including me, expected when we went to see it.

Slim, I thank you for the GQ profile tip. For the sake of clarity, here are Tarantino’s exact words regarding JB:

I didn’t go in that direction. I arrived at my destination with Jackie Brown. I did it! I don’t have to prove that I can do it again. I can do it again if I wanna do it again, but even if I go off and do Friday the 13th: Part Nine, that doesn’t change Jackie Brown. That’s still a mature piece of work. Made when I wasn’t even that mature.

Now, you may be asking yourself why I’ve just utilized two block quotes to set up a review of the film and I have two reasons as to why. First, my overall interpretation of Tarantino’s post-JB career has been that he has fallen prey to his own eclecticism and has taken his preference for cinematic pastiche much too far (more on that in my forthcoming reviews of Kill Bill and Death Proof). In his statement, Tarantino is acknowledging that criticism and re-enforces my worst fear regarding his work: in the end, the only spectator Tarantino’s practices serve is Tarantino himself, making the experience of watching his latest films feel like trying to make sense of an inside joke.

Secondly, and this is addressed at Slim and many other viewers’ comment (which I appreciate and respect) that JB did not live up expectations. Yet, I find the reasoning rather interesting: the film is “conventional” and “mainstream.” While I would openly admit that JB does not take Pulp’s postmodern sensibilities to the same excessive level, I would argue that there is a profound difference between maturity and convention, two adjectives that are ultimately being confused here. I’ll get to the reasons why JB is ultimately less-conventional than its critics make it out to be shortly. However, as usual, allow me to supply an obligatory plot synopsis.

JB (based on the novel by Elmore Leonard) takes its name from the film’s protagonist, a middle-aged, lower-income, African-American airline stewardess (Pam Grier) who supplements her income by internationally trafficking money for gunrunner Ordell Robbie (Samuel L. Jackson). Problems arise for Jackie when Ordell kills a colleague (Chris Tucker) who alerted ATF agent Ray Nicolette (Michael Keaton) and LAPD officer Mark Dargus (Michael Bowen) to Ordell and Jackie’s relationship. When the officials arrest Jackie, Ordell becomes suspicious and begins to scheme a way to kill Jackie with the help of his girlfriend Melanie (Bridget Fonda) and his partner in crime Louis (Robert De Niro). The only person standing in Jackie’s corner? Max Cherry (Robert Forster), a bail bondsman nearing retirement who becomes attracted to Jackie and the possibility of ripping off Ordell’s $500,000, which Jackie has been entrusted with trafficking. As usual, the large sum of money puts everyone’s loyalties up for grabs.

Now, I made the promise of describing how JB is not a conventional movie. Allow me to start with the obvious: Tarantino’s love for homage. While Pulp Fiction expressed its love of crime thrillers, noir, and popular culture in general through collage, Jackie Brown is primarily focused thought the blaxploitation genre. By revising Elmore Leonard’s source material, rewriting Jackie as a black woman, and casting Pam Grier as an older version of her kick-ass persona as seen in Coffy (1973) and Foxy Brown (1974), Tarantino engages in a potent form of intertextuality. Intertextuality, for those unfamiliar with the term, is the act of referencing one text with another. While this is often tied to postmodernism and holds the potential for pastiche, Tarantino keeps this practice at bay yet far from the normative. You see, while JB may not go to the progressive lengths of Pulp in the quantity of its citations, it does so in its quality of citation. While it’s fairly standard for an actor or actress to be cast with the grain of his or her type (Tom Hanks as the charming everyman), it’s uncommon for an actor to be cast in a role that is directly tied to their previous screen personas (this is a fundamentally different practice than playing the same role in separate films). Not too many mainstream films engage in intertextuality quite as strongly and directly as JB. While Cary Grant makes a passing comment regarding an “Archie Leach” (Grant’s birth name) in His Girl Friday (1940), Tarantino continually pushes Pam Grier’s persona via a whole slew of methods: the film’s title sequence, the film’s inclusion of soundtrack segments from Coffy, and the soundtrack more generally (which includes one of Grier’s own musical performances and, coincidentally, a track by rapper Foxy Brown).

While I would argue that Tarantino’s casting of Grier would go a long way in describing the film as being less-conventional than its critics make it out to be, I think Tarantino’s direction of De Niro seals the deal. When contemporary audiences, cinephiles or not, think of Robert De Niro they see four figures: Vito Corleone (The Godfather Part II), Travis Bickle (Taxi Driver), Jake LaMotta (Raging Bull), and Jimmy Conway (Goodfellas). What adjectives do De Niro’s performances of these four characters bring to mind? Powerful. Cunning. Brutish. Violent. Smart. Yet, in Louis Gara, we find the exact opposite. He’s painfully slow, almost stupid. While we discover that he’s ultimately capable of violence, it seems to be the product of reflex and ill-prepared. Hell, we see De Niro taking bong hits on screen and engaging in embarrassing sexual intercourse! Robert De Niro’s Louis Gara is everything we have grown not to expect from Robert De Niro’s persona. This can have a polarizing effect, as I remember seeing JB in theaters and coming away slightly disappointed by Tarantino’s use of De Niro, expecting something quite different. Yet, over the years and subsequent viewings, I’ve come to realize that Tarantino’s casting (both in favor of and against type) is one of the most surprising and less conventional directorial moves he could make.

My coup de grâce in defense of Jackie Brown as being less-conventional than it is interpreted as being is to be found in the relationship between Jackie and Max. There is quality that is realistically heartbreaking to their midlife attraction that continually brings me back to the film. Forster, unlike Uma Thurman in Pulp, deserved his Oscar nomination here and I lament the fact that he wasted his cinematic redemption on Me, Myself, & Irene (2000). Max Cherry and Jackie Brown, thanks both to Elmore Leonard’s source material and Tarantino’s direction, are two of the most vividly realized characters in any of Tarantino’s work. If JB were the conventional or mainstream film its detractors interpret it as, Max and Jackie would ride off into the sunset in Ordell’s car and the bag of money. Yet, that ending is not meant to be and it’s to the film’s strength for not taking the easy way out. While the film is about coming to grips with old age and the frightening thought of starting over, it’s also about the promise of that possibility and the un-conceived losses that it potentially carries. A film that not only brings up those frightening thoughts but also addresses them poignantly is mature, not conventional.

In close, I’ve often felt that JB is the more mature work because Tarantino is working off of Elmore Leonard’s source material. While Tarantino’s ear for dialogue and Leonard’s voice are incredibly similar (one of the reasons JB is such a stellar adaptation), Leonard is an author capable not only of establishing worlds inhabited by eccentric characters but for providing them with thoroughly rich characterization. Tarantino is capable of this level of characterization, as Jules in Pulp will attest, but he is also a director whose obsessions with structure and homage can distract both his and our attention, short changing the characters. Perhaps that’s why Uma Thurman does not amaze me in PF; she isn’t given a whole lot of space on the page or on the screen to do much more than dance. Her character and performance in Kill Bill (particularly Vol. 2), on the other hand, is not limited by Tarantino’s ambitions as he narrows his focus on her powerful quest for revenge. JB, despite its ensemble cast, finds its essence in the thoughtful relationship between Jackie and Max, superbly directed and scripted by Tarantino, which why it stands as his best film to date.

Drew Morton is a Ph.D. student in Cinema and Media Studies at the University of California-Los Angeles. He has previously written for the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel and UWM Post and is the 2008 recipient of the Otis Ferguson Award for Critical Writing in Film Studies.









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Comments

Ya know, that really was not a film review, it was you defending your opinion that Jackie Brown is not a mainstream film.

Posted by: Fantasysage at August 14, 2009 12:07 PM

Irrespective of whether that was a review or not it definitely made me want to view the film again. I haven't seen it since it's theatrical release when I was mad young and shit.

Posted by: TSF at August 14, 2009 12:14 PM

Jackie Brown is one of my favorite movies. When I mention this fact many of my movie snob friends scoff at me. My explanation is if you have an appreciation of 70s or Blaxplotation films you will "get" Jackie Brown. Sadly my movie snob friends think films directed by Ron Howard (ugh!!!) are cinematic excellence.

Posted by: ThePastryProphet at August 14, 2009 12:16 PM

Expectations will fuck you up almost every time.

After RD then PF was there any way he could "top" "that", whatever "that" was? No way.

Bringing one's expectations to bear on JB says absolutely nothing about the movie. So, so many people fell into that trap.

And again, Robert DeNiro taking bong hits. JB will hold a special place in the hearts of many for that alone.

Posted by: icecreammang at August 14, 2009 12:20 PM

These "reviews" really aren't very insightful or entertaining.

Also, have you actually read much Elmore Leonard? His characterization is pretty weak. At least 90% of his novels feature the same central character: current or former police officer, world weary, streetwise, gives the initial appearance of being barely corrupt, but is eventually revealed to be true and righteous. His few novels where the criminals are the protegonists are much better are much better than that majority.

Posted by: Dur at August 14, 2009 12:22 PM

Drew:

As you seem to be a Tarantino fan, may I ask why you overlook the fact that as both a director and writer he often blatantly rips off other's work, yet gets away with it as "homage?"

Also, did you ever realize that most of his early work (RD, PF, Natural Born Killers, True Romance) is all strangely similar, to the point of mirroring each other (like the fact that each film begins with a coffee shop scene)? To me, he's nothing more that a one-trick pony who's act got stale.

And where's all the high-flautin' talk that was in your PF review?

Posted by: B-Unit at August 14, 2009 12:29 PM

"current or former police officer, world weary, streetwise, gives the initial appearance of being barely corrupt, but is eventually revealed to be true and righteous."

Dur, you just described an entire genre. Not just Leonard. He writes within that genre, and does so damn well, IMO.

Personally, yes, I feel this is less a review and more an essay on JB and Tarantino in the context of his larger body of work. But that, in and of itself, makes it a worthwhile read.

Posted by: Skewicide Blonde at August 14, 2009 12:30 PM

"Shit, Jackie. You come in this place on Saturday night, I bet you need nigger repellent to keep motherfuckers off yo' ass."

I do so love this movie.

Posted by: TK at August 14, 2009 12:33 PM

To all those concerned,

It's a retrospective. The idea is to take a film many of you have seen and have been written about and approach it from the career of Tarantino. That is the guiding principle.

B-Unit,

Lots of directors "rip off" others work. Tell me, do you like any of these movies: "12 Monkeys," "Throne of Blood," "The Magnificent Seven," or "A Fistful of Dollars"?

As for the writing style, just because I did it once, doesn't mean it shapes every review I write. That's the beauty of personal style. Plus, PM is not as much of an issue in JB.

Skew,

Gotta agree with you regarding Leonard. Crime fiction is traditionally seen as a low-genre and he turns it into great art.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 12:36 PM

I have read all of these, and I must say: B-Unit has great comments. Really adds a lot to the reviews.

Posted by: Farthammer at August 14, 2009 12:40 PM

I love Jackie Brown, I could watch that movie over and over again. I think it's the most emotional and least-stylized film Quentin Tarantino has ever made.

Posted by: ecp at August 14, 2009 12:46 PM

I completely understand where you are coming from Drew - I love this movie so much. Pam Grier is mesmerizing and makes you care about Jackie in a way that a lot of other actresses might have failed to do. And Max Cherry is one of the sexiest characters ever - I just fell in love with him, especially when he buys the Delfonics cassette. This movie has one of my favorite Samuel L. performances as well. The soundtrack sticks with you - in fact, "Across 110th Street" started playing in my head while reading your review and it will probably still be there when I go to bed tonight.

Posted by: SCG at August 14, 2009 12:46 PM

Ya know, that really was not a film review, it was you defending your opinion that Jackie Brown is not a mainstream film.

But isn't a review pretty much a opinion being defended anyway?

Although I will agree that the piece is less about getting new viewers than addressing old ones, I do believe that is the point. Especially after several commenters questioned the opinion of this movie before.

I would assume that this would have turned out quite different if not for that.

Posted by: Vermillion at August 14, 2009 1:18 PM

I couldn't agree with this review more! I've been saying this for years. Not only QT's best but arguably one of the best films in the last 15 years. Why it wasn't nominated for an Oscar is beyond me. Thank you so much for posting this.

Posted by: The BFG at August 14, 2009 1:38 PM

Minor correction: JB is based on "a" novel by Elmore Leonard (as opposed to "the" novel). The novel is Rum Punch. I guess that JB is also my favorite QT movie, narrowly edging PF and KB. Could be because I'm a big Elmore Leonard fan. It would be nice if QT adapted another Leonard novel - those two are made for each other.

Posted by: sosumi at August 14, 2009 1:56 PM

Reviewing a 10 year old movie is kind of pointless. I'm much more enjoying the essay style of these columns, more like retrospective analysis. When you have a movie that has a backlash built against it you are likely going to come at it from a defensive posture if you liked it. I wrote a 2.5 page review a few years ago of Alien 3 for a now-defunct review site that was entirely about trying to explain why long held hatred against the film is unjustified.

Besides, the best reviews on Pajiba are more like essays anyway, seems odd to bag on Drew for this style now.

Posted by: TylerDFC at August 14, 2009 1:59 PM

Wow, more supporters than I thought I'd find. Kind of nice after that PF review!

Sosumi,

I'd forgotten about the name change. Thanks! I also love "Out of Sight." Scott Frank and Steven Soderbergh totally nailed that one. It has to be one of my five favorite movies of all time.

Tyler,

Thanks, but I still don't know how you can defend Alien 3. ;) Don't get me wrong, I like Fincher's tone, but killing off Hicks and Newt in the first few minutes, off screen, is shit. (Not his fault, I know!) I would have loved to see them get taken from Ripley one by one. It would have been the Empire Strikes Back of the Alien universe.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 2:06 PM

Drew - Seems like you should be the guy to do the Inglourious Basterds review when it comes out. Is Dustin on board with that?

Posted by: sosumi at August 14, 2009 2:18 PM

Drew: You just have to get past the Hicks/Newt deaths and take the movie as its own entity. Strangely enough while I like the movie I don't consider it canon. I've always kind of thought of it as Ripley's hypersleep nightmare. The whole thing is so dreamlike that it doesn't seem that far off.

Posted by: TylerDFC at August 14, 2009 2:21 PM

Sosumi,

Not sure about "Basterds." I'll check with the boss..

Tyler,

I think they could make a sequel with Hicks and Newt and everyone could just forget 3 and 4 ever happened (kind of like the original Halloween movies and H20).

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 2:25 PM

Hmmmmmm, you bring up some well articulated points Mr. Morton. The thing is, I didn't GET all that the time I saw JB. I'm just going to have to see it again and I will.

Two things I totally agree with are:

DeNiro and his playing against type, possibly the one time he hasn't fallen prey to parodying himself (the other being Ronin)in the last decades.

Uma Thurman, she gets WAAAAY too much, undeserved, credit for her work PF.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 14, 2009 2:39 PM

BSlim,

I was slightly worried you'd feel like I was picking on you, but you comment articulated the "against Jackie Brown" argument so well I had to use it.

For another great moment of casting against type in 1997, check out James Mangold's western-crime drama "Cop Land" with De Niro, Keitel, Stallone, Lay Liotta.

Posted by: Drew Morton at August 14, 2009 2:43 PM

Bah, I don't mind being singled out as an object of scorn and derision.

I'm like, Jesus.

Posted by: BarbadoSlim at August 14, 2009 2:54 PM

I'll have to see it again but for right now I can't help you on this one. My gut feeling is that if anybody else had made this film people would give even less of a shit about it than they do.

Posted by: Eep at August 14, 2009 2:54 PM

Interesting, Eep. One of the reasons I like JB so much is because of how un-Tarantino it is.

Posted by: TK at August 14, 2009 2:59 PM

That's what I mean, TK. Thank you for stating it better than I could have. The movie is only interesting to me after my first long ago viewing insofar as Tarantino made it and it's not what I would expect from him. If Dick Donner had made the movie, I contend we would have never heard from it again. But its status as a departure doesn't automatically make it good to me. I love Rage Against the Machine, and it would certainly be a departure for them to do classical music, but that doesn't mean it would be good. I buy music (and watch movies) for how good they are, not for what range the director/band showed by attempting them.

Posted by: Eep at August 14, 2009 3:08 PM

One of the best and most underrated fims of the 1990s. And I have to give a shout out to Bridget Fonda for her amazing work as Melanie.

'No that's the way to Sears.'

Posted by: Andrew at August 14, 2009 3:15 PM

Another case of DeNiro playing against type- Stardust.
"We always knew you were a whoopsie"

Posted by: Optimus Rhyme at August 14, 2009 3:16 PM

One of my favorites, one of the best of all time, everyone said it, I'm not new.

I'd like to echo what someone else said, that this is his most personal work, and I think that is mainly due to the extremely naturalistic performances he pulled out of the cast. Robert Forster, in particular, barely says anything (in comparison to SLJ, anyway, but his portrayal is a masterclass in REAL, dude.

Dr. Drew, I like you.

Posted by: Ian at August 14, 2009 3:29 PM

I have to say I really like the point that what made JB good was how much self control QT exercised when making it. He seemed to avoid the excesses he's fallen prey to in later years. Between that and the 'meta' aspects of the film's relation to the blaxploitation pics of the 70s, it's been on my top ten for years.

Posted by: Smokin at August 14, 2009 3:33 PM

the ex had a replica leather bag from JB... a gift from his uncle (who was the production designer on this, PF and all of QT's films)
I really wish I'd stolen that bag... I've got some weird stories (and a some cool QT crew stuff that I DID steal)
oh and I can't stand Bridget Fonda... that is all.

Posted by: Tammers at August 14, 2009 3:47 PM

I didn't necessarily love this movie when I first saw it, but one line has made a huge impact in my relationships with and expectations of most other people in my life:

"You can't trust Melanie, but you can always trust Melanie to be Melanie."

Posted by: stephie at August 14, 2009 3:58 PM

ecp said what I was thinking much more eloquently than I could have. This is my favorite Tarantino flick hands down.

Pam Grier is fantastic.

Posted by: DemonWaterPolo at August 14, 2009 4:09 PM

This is my least favorite Tarantino film because as Eep and Slim stated it's barely a Tarantino film at all. I saw it, I read Drew's synopsis, and I still can hardly remember it. All the other QT films are memorable.

I look forward to the Kill Bill and Death Proof reviews as I am already surprised by some negative inferences about them in the comments of the last two QT reviews.

Posted by: ed newman at August 14, 2009 4:18 PM

Of course Tarantino regrets it. The dialogue is by a superior writer and that is the only reason why there is so much maturity in it. He simply doesn't have the life experience to come up with a movie like this.

Posted by: elzupasmonkey at August 14, 2009 5:22 PM

There is a debate among baseball fans regarding qualifications for the Hall of Fame. The crux of it is this: Do you have to have a long career as one of the best players in the game, or can one event make you worthy? Don Larsen was a mediocre pitcher for his career, but he had one diamond-hard afternoon when everything coalesced and he pitched the only no-hitter, let alone the only perfect game, in World Series history. Some would argue that this should let him into the Hall.

Jackie Brown is a great movie. It is Tarantino's finest. It is also the movie that broke him, because the tepid response drove him back to crafting vehicles for fanboy masturbation (BTW, B-Unit, all of the movies you mention came from a single mammoth script that Tarantino wrote with his roommate at the time, a script that Tarantino cannibalized for the screenplays you cite.*).

JB has so much greatness in it that it's disgusting:
*The crane shot when Ordell takes Beauregard out to kill him.
*DeNiro, especially his portrayal of Louis's dullness and short fuse. "What happened to you, man? You used to be beautiful."
*The long tracking shot under the credits. Pam Grier's face and "Across 110th Street" just lay it all out.
*The Delfonics. Hell, yeah!

But the Hall of Fame moment, the moment that breaks me every time I watch this movie (and I watch it a lot) is when Max, after Jackie has invited him to leave with her, looks her in the eye and says "Jackie, I'm fifty-eight years old." Maybe that's why some don't like it; most of QT's oeuvre is pure fantasy, and that line is realism at it's heaviest. To me, that line rings like a brass bell.

QT's retreat to Kill Bill and Death Proof only reinforce what's obvious about his fabled "eclecticism"--liking everything doesn't mean you have great taste, it means you have no taste. Tarantino flirted with real greatness with Jackie Brown. I don't know if he'll ever get there again.

* Read Jane Hamsher's Killer Instinct. You'll never again be able to watch an Oliver Stone movie with a straight face.

Posted by: alone in the dark at August 14, 2009 5:48 PM

Thanks alone in the dark, I meant to say something about the mega movie Tarantino's been cannibalizing in response to that point by b-unit. He also took parts of it for From Dusk Till Dawn. In fact the Jules' Ezekiel speech originally went with some of that movie (the preacher said it).

Posted by: Eep at August 14, 2009 6:05 PM

Drew that was a nice review and I enjoyed reading it. In fact, it was more enjoyable then watching the movie. I couldn't care less if JB was “conventional” and “mainstream" just so long as it wasn't boring. And that is exacty where it did not live up expectations. When you see a Quentin Tarantino film, the last thing you expect is to be bored.

Posted by: EricD at August 14, 2009 6:06 PM

Another way Jackie Brown was unconventional was the fact that it featured an interracial romance between the two central characters while making no comment (either implicit or explicit) about race as a factor in their relationship. May not seem like a big deal now, but I can't remember any earlier widely released American flick to do so. It was a big deal that it wasn't a big deal.

Posted by: sansho1 at August 14, 2009 6:13 PM

sansho1,
Forget race, the real double-take aspect of the JB romance is that it is between two adults, hell, between two middle-aged-verging-on-old adults. That Jackie gets to be in her mid-40s and Max gets to be near-60 probably blows more minds than any racial angle.

Posted by: alone in the dark at August 14, 2009 6:25 PM

Actually, sansho1, Pulp fiction featured TWO interracial marriages, also without comment.

Posted by: Eep at August 14, 2009 6:52 PM

Eep, you're right, I should clarify. In Jackie Brown the budding romance is central to the story -- they're trying to figure out if and how they can get together. And there are lots of roadblocks, but race conspicuously is not among them.

Kudos to QT for casting Pulp Fiction how he did, but as to my point neither of the two interracial couples shared much screen time together.

Posted by: sansho1 at August 14, 2009 7:17 PM

I love Jackie Brown, I could watch that movie over and over again. I think it's the most emotional and least-stylized film Quentin Tarantino has ever made.
-ecp
Agreed 100%.

Jackie Brown is my absolute favorite of Tarantino's works. Grier's Jackie is so strong, so quick, hands down one of my favorite performances. Ditto for Forrester, he stole the movie with calm, collective, nerdy cool. I adore him in this movie. I agree with Ebert that their relationship and easy understanding of each other is the heart of the movie.

I think JB is by far one of Tarantino's tightest works, maybe it is because Rum Punch is such a good piece to start from, but unlike PF, KB, and DP he is not suffering from editing here.

Tarantino can defend the taxi cab scene in PF until the day he dies but it is excessive. His insistence that it is his favorite scene from the movie, only reinforces my belief that he knows the acting and the dialogue are the worst the movie has to offer. Willis is good throughout but the chick taxi-driver is awful! Same for the valsaline scene in KB, ew that scene is there for the gross-out factor alone and IMO cheapens the movie. Same with DP's foot fetish sequence.

I hope that Tarantino took Variety's reviewer seriously when they said that he had time to edit much un-needed material. I have been waiting for IB since the screenplay hit the web, here's hoping his self indulgence doesn't get the better of him.

Bravo Drew, I agree completely and JB has been my favorite Tarantino movie since to moment I saw it.

Posted by: Mebe at August 14, 2009 7:47 PM

Alone In The Dark:

Thanks for that tidbit. I'd never heard that before. Explains a lot. But it won't help enjoy any of Tarantino's work.

Drew:

I'd still argue Tarantino's work is mostly ripped off without credit given. It's like he picks a genre (RD - gritty 70s cop, JB - Blaxploitation, Kill Bill - Kung-Fu, Death Proof - Grindhouse), then watches a bunch of those movies, picks and chooses what he pleases,and calls it a job well done. I see no creativity in it. And if you want to talk social impact, he's been dead in the water since Pulp Fiction and likely will never be relevant again.

Posted by: B-Unit at August 14, 2009 9:20 PM

Dr. Drew Ph-godtopussing.D - you just keep on classing up this joint. This site has earned my love for trying harder to offer better film criticism (honest, opinionated, intellectual, gut reaction, humorous...etc. you know what I mean) and the idea of exploring bodies of work is so very appealing! Nice. A little hard-cover with my paperback trade dailies.

And I think about this film very often...especially when I'm wondering what the hell is so hard about showing a relationship on film that's not as flat as the cardboard promos they shipped 'em with. And an older woman? Even though I saw this when I was 'young', I was in envy of how they pulled that off.

Posted by: replica at August 14, 2009 9:39 PM

I'm doing a comparative study of Elmore Leonard's Rum Punch and Tarantino's Jackie Brown for English this sem.

Talk about timing!

Oh yes :D

Posted by: joyeetargh at August 14, 2009 10:23 PM

Drew, you have to do the IB review, and don't let Dustin tell you otherwise. I had assumed you were going to finish the series here, but if you intend to go on through Grindhouse and Kill Bill then IB is the only way you can finish it.

Posted by: Chugga at August 15, 2009 12:00 AM

I tried waching this again but only got about 40 minutes in. Up to the part where Max bails Jackie out and gets that look in his eye as he watches her approach. As anyone else noticed that Pam Grier walks like an overfed duck with hemarodes? I have no idea what Max saw that captured his fancy but what ever it was, it wasnt shown on screen. The only really interresting character in this movie was Ordell. Personally I would have liked it better if the story had been about him. I have to stick with my first impression. This shit is boring.

Posted by: EricD at August 15, 2009 12:19 AM

My most-used movie quote of all time is from this movie. Bridget Fonda's lazing-around-on-the-couch-in-her-teeny-bikini-hitting-the-bong-and-channel-zapping Melanie, to Jackson's Ordell, who has just warned her that marijuana will rob her of her ambition: "Not if your ambition is to get high and watch TV... "

Posted by: AdaHaze at August 15, 2009 4:10 AM

I love Jackie Brown. Pulp is still number one, but the thing that I most appreciate about Jackie Brown is its pacing. It takes far more time to savor moments and characters than most films, and I recall being a bit thrown by that the first time I saw it in a theater. Call that "boring" if you will, but that texture lends the film realism and ups the emotional ante. I don't have much more to say on the topic than that. I did meet Pam Grier once, and she signed my poster that came with the DVD. She's an awesome lady. Thanks for the review.


I can't let the Alien 3 discussion go without comment, however.

O.k. For argument's sake I'll ignore - even though it does deflate and ruin the movie right off the bat - the atrocious killing of Hicks and Newt that follows immediately after one of my favorite earned happy endings in film history. I can't ignore, however:

1) There is an interchangeable and uninteresting supporting cast in the prison, particularly when juxtaposed against the colorful and varied marines from Aliens and the original crew from Alien. They are merely fodder for the alien with a mass dispatch of many of them in an explosion sequence that is obviously for the sake of narrative/character streamlining - why do we care?

2) Ripley's death sentence removes all suspense from the film. If there's one thing the Alien series had in spades up to that point, it's suspense.

It's a different film with a different thrust, you say? O.k. Then why waste our time posturing suspense with all the tunnel-chasing as if it matters whether the once again interchangeable prisoners are caught? It's a dark rumination on death, and the point is merely to keep the alien species away from the corporation? It wasn't dark enough; relentless masochism toward the main character with whom we traveled so far might seem horrifying, but it's actually numbing and consequently empty. And one heavy-handed, disgustingly melodramatic sacrifice will not keep the corporation away from the species forever.

Evil can win. I can dig that. Empty nihilism can be the message. What I don't dig is when evil wins while the moment is trumped with some illusory victory of good that has all the subtlety of a sledgehammer. What I don't dig is tempering the nihilism with some sort of "heroic" sacrifice. Going dark? O.k. Commit, dammit.

(And how did those eggs get on the ship? Did Bishop smuggle them? If so, that's a crappy betrayal of Aliens as well. If not...there is no "if not." Those eggs could not have been on that ship.)

I can't even speak on this with much authority, because I've never revisited Alien 3 in its entirety. It was just too awful, and - up until last year - it was the worst experience at a theater in my life.

You can dismiss it all as hypersleep nightmare (also in a sense a betrayal of Aliens and its final lines), but that certainly doesn't make it a compelling story. And if it's not canon, why were they wasting my time?

That's not to say Fincher isn't a gifted director. He is, and I absolutely love three of his other films. But he had a bad script to work with, and his movie - following arguably the greatest horror movie ever and the greatest action movie ever - is simply one of the greatest movie disappointments ever.

Posted by: DarthCorleone at August 15, 2009 6:11 AM

It doesn't hurt that Pam Grier is hot as hell in Jackie Brown. I was 17 years old when I first saw it, and I fell in love with that woman right along with Max Cherry.

So screw all y'all who don't like it. Pam Grier makes everything sexy.

Posted by: Lucas at August 15, 2009 12:38 PM

He is handsome and sexy.. i know a guy on a dating website is looks like him, but much taller....all the guys on that site is tall and handsome indeed. but i have no interesting in male, i prefer to the sexy hot tall girls....wow.........
what is the site? ----------Tallloving Com---------- if my memory is not bad...

Posted by: liaw at August 15, 2009 9:56 PM

tallloving com?? wth kind of name for a cybersite is that?

And DarthCorleone, I absolutly agree with your assesment of Aliens 3. I think I am going to save a copy of that for use when ever the movie comes up.

Posted by: EricD at August 16, 2009 2:37 PM

@B-Unit:
"Also, did you ever realize that most of his early work (RD, PF, Natural Born Killers, True Romance) is all strangely similar, to the point of mirroring each other (like the fact that each film begins with a coffee shop scene)?"

Natural Born Killers was Oliver Stone's.

Posted by: chrisanthemama at August 16, 2009 9:20 PM

I’ve been away all weekend and am miles behind the discussion, but should throw in a couple of cents given the previous threads.

You have convinced me to give it another shot. A portion of the problem rests with me- expectation weighed heavily on my assessment, I was probably looking for Pulp Fiction II instead of taking Jackie Brown on it’s own merits.

With one reservation:
I take your point on Taratino’s film craft but if so, shouldn’t superior craft produce a more memorable film? That isn’t a rhetorical question. I still fall closer to the “don’t know much but I know what I like” end of the cinema appreciation spectrum, so a greater understanding of the craft and the oeuvre that informs would no doubt change my perception. But still, should such knowledge be pre-requisite for enjoying the film? I knew little of the genres and methods that went into the Pulp Fiction pot, yet came out with a vastly different impression.

It’s a shame Tarantino couldn’t take the lead from JB and merge it’s maturity with the energy of PF, it could have resulted in something truly great. Maybe the recent decline in the quality and success of his genre homages might result in a reassessment of his recent direction.

One other thing: . I like the voice you bring to Pajiba Drew, it’s nice to have academic critique alongside next to entertaining snark. When I click on an article addressing a 10 year old film, I expect discussion of it’s strengths and weaknesses, not “it’s awesome, go see it/it sucks, save two hours!”. Chances are, if we are discussing a movie ten years after release, are it merits viewing.

Posted by: RandyPanTheGoatboy at August 16, 2009 11:10 PM

Chrisanthemama-

But Tarantino wrote it. He didn't direct True Romance either.

Posted by: Eep at August 17, 2009 11:22 AM

I love this movie and i'm glad you took the time to defend it. I just wish there was more. But I love the academic critique, bravo.

Posted by: Shai at August 17, 2009 10:36 PM


















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