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That Famous Book by Nabokov

By Yossarian | Posted Under Book Reviews | Comments (79)



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The real focus here should be on the discussion, and so I will just provide some brief sketches of central issues from my reading and from the blogs and comments other readers have shared. I’m as curious as anyone to see where this goes …

One of the primary topics of discussion has to be the character of Humbert Humbert. We experience almost the entire novel through his highly subjective, stylized, and unreliable narration. Nabokov seems to have taken up the challenge of trying to see how far he could push the horribleness of HH and still get us to identify with the character. Was he successful? Did you find yourself seduced into sympathizing with Humbert? Did you catch yourself almost rooting for him at times? That is not to say you would ever excuse or condone his actions — the book is not about defending pedophilia — but it does try to get inside of you and manipulate your ability to form an opinion about this character.

What were your feelings and impressions of Humbert Humbert?

The idea of sympathy for Humbert naturally leads us to wonder and speculate about where Nabokov’s sympathies lie, and what he is trying to say in this novel. Of course he bats us away in the afterward “On a Book Entitled Lolita” and at various points in the novel tries to anticipate our desire to pin down the author’s position and makes every effort to thwart and ridicule the idea that any morality or deeper meaning can be obtained. Even the fictional Forward by John Ray, Jr. which you might consider to be Nabokov’s apologia is committed to poking fun at people who want to explain and diagnose the events of the book. This novel is constantly raising ethical questions and then avoiding answering them, holding them off by parody and preemptive strike. But we can’t let Nabokov off that easily. Where is the author among the novel’s many layers?

In addition to obscuring the authorial presence, Humbert’s narration also makes it difficult to really know anything about the character of Lolita. He is clearly unreliable and she is the subject he is most unreliable about. Lolita is the first word and the last word in the novel as well as the title, yet we are given very little insight to her thoughts and feelings. Most of what we do discover comes by way of clumsy observations by Humbert from which we have to infer what she is going through. At times her feelings seem almost forgotten, an afterthought. Humbert doesn’t seem to really care about her as an individual, only as she relates to him (recall a scene where she plays with a dog and he laments ‘if only she would play with me like that’). As the novel progresses we glimpse more and more of the horrible toll these events take on Lolita. Even Humbert acknowledges that he “broke her life” and has essentially destroyed her childhood and maimed her future for his own selfish indulgences. Still, we hear very little of this in her own words since everything must pass through the filter of HH. What, then, do you make of the character of Lolita?

Several readers pointed out and took exception to the Vanity Fair blurb that Lolita is “the only convincing love story of our century,” and with good reason. This is not a love story. It is about obsession, fixation, and passion but there is no real love, no reciprocal or giving or transformative love. Humbert only covets Lolita as an object. Some of the confusion may arise from how the novel draws heavily — and to a point approaching parody — on Romanticism and that lyrical, poetic writing style. I would say that it articulates obsession better than almost any other novel I can recall but that still does not excuse Vanity Fair getting it so wrong, or the publishers and publicists who continually use quotes like that to describe the book.

Depending on which edition you read you might also have had a close up of pouty young lips or a pair of schoolgirl legs coming out from under the shadowy folds of a short skirt on the cover. It’s worth asking: Why is the novel marketed this way, with sexually suggestive imagery of young girls as a selling point? Someone posted a link to fan-created alternate cover art for Lolita on Flicker and this, too, frequently featured sexualized and titillating imagery as a way to convey what Lolita is about. It might make for a good digression to address the public perception of Lolita and the way it has been perverted from what the novel really is. The portrayals of Lolita in popular culture is a whole discussion topic to itself.

Finally, we have to address the writing. The very purposeful, imaginative, layered prose colors the fictional world of Lolita. What are your thoughts about the writing and, taking a step back, what do you think this style says about the character of Humbert Humbert, since these are supposed to be his words? The novel is riddled with puns (and so is this review — the spirit of Nabokov inspires me), alliteration, neologisms, literary allusions, interjections of foreign languages, and other disruptive and attention-getting rhetorical flairs. Names of people and places are especially subject to this since the novel evokes the ‘names have been changed to protect the innocent’ excuse to take some pretty extreme liberties here. What do you think Nabokov is trying to accomplish by writing in this very self-conscious style? Did you pick up on any particularly pleasurable or meaningful examples?

There are other things I want to get to, like the fascinating and beautiful descriptions of the American landscape in the cross-country road trips, or the use of doubles and doppelgangers as narrative devices, or the extensive allusions to fairy tale imagery and themes — but this is just the opening salvo in a conversation. Time to get to the comments: What did you think of Lolita?


Special thanks to all the Cannonball participants who got their reviews up in advance. I encourage everyone to check them out, a lot of the ideas above are touched on in more detail here.

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Comments

Well done, sir. Very well done.

Posted by: Nicole at February 25, 2010 2:12 PM

Oh crap, still haven't finished. Better go read those last 20 pages.

Posted by: lainiefig at February 25, 2010 2:14 PM

I first read Lolita about 6 years ago, and I remember loving the language and enjoying the novel. However, I have had a damn near impossible time re-reading it. I'm still only 2/3 of the way through, and I've been reading it since the day it was announced as the selection. I think the language is lovely, but the plot really DRAAAAAAAAAAAGS once Humbert has his Lolita. It is really a book that must be read slowly and savored.

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 25, 2010 2:18 PM

Hurry up, Lainiefig. The last 20 pages are the funniest part of the whole sordid ordeal.

Serious, seriously deranged Humbert is on a highly ironic mission to kill the man who corrupted the girl he corrupted first (and far worse). He confronts a whacked-out Quilty who seems incapable of processing the fact that Humbert means to kill him. Humbert is intent on making the final showdown *meaningful* (he even wrote a poem! Which Quilty critics and mocks!) and Q just keeps riffing on the absurdity of it all and asking Humbert if he wants to look at his porno collection. Unreal.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 2:21 PM

I had mixed feelings about this book. Addressing your question about what of Nabokov is in this story? I think that is simple enough - the leering and the guilty feelings of seeing a young girl in a certain light. I don't doubt that many a man might have a fleeting glimpse of a girl that brings him unexpected arousal, and I also daresay that's why some of the book covers have the images you mentioned. Perhaps Nabakov was exercising a few demons in the acceptable guise of fiction.

For me, the writing style and flippant humor was the story's saving grace - as a mother to young girls, I found myself putting down the book several times when in the midst of a particularly descriptive few paragraphs. I had to get through those parts in small blocks of time. But one of the best sections - and most comparable to Poe (a favorite) was when Humbert was discovered by his wife, and his frame of mind and feelings as he tells the tale of her fortuitous accident. Those glorious pages were highly reminiscent of The Telltale Heart, and indeed my own heart pounded as the events were related.

Finally, I agree that Humbert never realized love for his prized possession, at least not until the very end of the story - when he appreciates that he has lost her for good.

Posted by: Cindy at February 25, 2010 2:22 PM

Thanks for the link, but I am mswas ("Ms. Was").

I only had the pop culture idea of the book prior to reading it, and I probably wouldn't have had a problem with the book cover ideas in the flickr pool. But now I can see that a lot of them are way off base, and the designers couldn't have read the book before they designed.

One facet of the book that I was completely taken with was the description of the US in their travels around the country - just breathtaking. How can a book about such a villainous man make me feel such love for my own country?

Posted by: mswas at February 25, 2010 2:22 PM

I'm probably the only person in the camp of "I think it's a love story..." but I might have a different idea of the word "love story." I'm not picturing the "ideal" love where people are fair and good and Corinthian verses to each other. I think what started out as (absolutely) an obsession for Humbert Humbert became something even more during his search for her. I mean, he definitely missed the mark on having the "ideal" love for her (the love that you guys seem to be talking about) but I think that in the end, the fact that he didn't kill her, but offered her money to live wealthy (after she refused to go with him) really says a lot about him. I felt like in the end, he wasn't bent on possessing her the way he was in the middle (when he didn't want her going out with her friends because he was worried she would leave him) and that definitely marked a change in him.

Also, I wrote a review before this came up!!! albeit at 2 am in the morning....

Posted by: dene at February 25, 2010 2:25 PM

Did anybody else catch the passage where Humbert wants to take Lolita to Mexico to get married so she can bear him a never-ending line of nymphets? That is where Humbert lost me. It's bad enough to molest a random 12 year old girl, but your own daughter, and eventually granddaughter???

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 25, 2010 2:30 PM

Cindy

Those dramatic pages where Humbert is discovered by his wife and then saved by McFate, that is exactly what I had in mind when I said "Did you catch yourself almost rooting for him at times?"

Now that I am re-reading Lolita, a little older, a little wiser, and parent of a 18 month old daughter it is a lot easier to hold Humbert at arms length as the despicable monster he is. Despite this, I still get carried away by this dramatic sequence and feel something like relief when he slips the noose, even those it dooms poor Lolita and dose away with the relatively innocent if unsympathetic Mrs. Haze.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 2:31 PM

At commander Strikeher - I really wondered if he was kidding about that. There were some points that I felt like HH was playing with us, like trying to spout crazier-than-usual things just to be like, "Let's see you empathize with this! TAKE THAT!" I thought it was a good tie-up in the end when he was wishing Lolita well that he hopes she has a baby boy... I wonder if that might be a reference that he would never want to be in a position to corrupt her would-be daughter.

Reading too much into it? Perhapssss

Posted by: dene at February 25, 2010 2:33 PM

I was also hoping to discuss how it is that Charlotte could hate her daughter so much. She was just such a terrible mom....

Posted by: dene at February 25, 2010 2:35 PM

@ Commander Strikeher

That passage in particular where he contemplated (daydreamed?) of having a child with Lolita to rape when she got too old... horrible. The novel certainly didn't shy away from the taboo of incest. Even though Lolita and Humbert weren't biological father and daughter those roles were evoked many times along with the sexual side of their relationship. Lolita frequently called him Dad in a teasing way, and Humbert seemed at times to fantasize about the father-daughter nature of their relationship.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 2:38 PM

I wasn't rooting for HH when Charlotte found out, I was rooting for her.

Posted by: mswas at February 25, 2010 2:38 PM

I read Lolita years ago. No doubt my POV on the story has changed -- hey, I was 17 at the time. Then, a 15-16 year old girl was all I could think about.

I don't think Humbert ever loves Lolita, but what Lolita implies (and what I just referenced above). That chance at first, untarnished love. There's a reason a first kiss feels like nothing else. And Humbert wants to feel that again.

Posted by: Fredo at February 25, 2010 2:40 PM

One other point of note - when I searched for "Lolita", I got this:

The word "lolita" has been filtered from the search because Google SafeSearch is active.

Just the name, Lolita, is unsafe?

Posted by: mswas at February 25, 2010 2:41 PM

Funny that you mention McFate. I wrote a paper about Lolita in college and it was all about the role of McFate, according to HH. After re-reading my paper, I thought, "oh man, I just started sympathising with a pedophile." It made me love the book because Nabakov did such an amazing job of immersing you in HH's mindset, that you really need (or I really needed to) step back every so often while you're reading to get out of HH's head.

Posted by: Katie at February 25, 2010 2:44 PM

I've said it before, but Lolita is one of my favorite novels of all time. Why? My personal answer is that anyone who can make me forget that HH is a sociopath and pedophile is a first class writer. One of the best aspects of the novel is that HH is this scholarly foreigner of ambiguous descent who is plopped down in Middle America trying to make sense of it all. The way he shows America through the every day suburban life, his road trips, to Lolita herself, who I think could maybe be modern American personified, is really dead-on. Perhaps parts of Humbert Humbert's experiences are taken from Nabokov's own life, as he did live here and teach the youth of America for a good while. Hopefully without kidnapping any of them and taking them as his child bride. Seeing things through Humbert Humbert's eyes is charming, horrifying, disgusting, and sad, all at the same time, and even though HH is a monster, I found myself hoping it would all be ok in the end. Hat's off, Nabokov.

Posted by: Dorothy Snarker at February 25, 2010 2:44 PM

Yossarian, I don't know if I could exactly say I was rooting for him. I couldn't imagine what was going to happen, because there was still much of the book left to read. I did think for a bit that he would murder her and then I was disappointed that he didn't have the cojones. I mean if you can do what he did with Lolita, I don't think murder should be a problem. He certainly had the cunning. Then again, in the end he seemed easily deceived - or just deranged.

I think I felt disappointed after that section, because at no other point did he re-achieve that state of excitement and interest. Though some of the descriptions of their journeys were beautifully written, the back half mostly felt meandering and the end, rather anticlimactic. I'm not sorry that I read it, but I came away with more appreciation of Nabakov's writing style than the actual tale.

Posted by: Cindy at February 25, 2010 2:45 PM

Dene - Now that you mention it, that makes a lot of sense! There are a lot of parts where HH sounds like he's trying to be over the top.

I think a lot of why Charlotte hated Lo is because to her, Lo represented her rapidly disappearing youth. Charlotte was so desperate to have a man in her life that she offered to rent a room to a complete stranger - remember HH was supposed to stay with some other friends of friends. She basically threw herself at HH as soon as he walked in the door. If you watch either of the film adaptations, Charlotte is portrayed as flirtatious and man hungry, and she acts as though Lo stands in the way of her getting a new husband.

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 25, 2010 2:45 PM

@ Fredo

I was similar to you, I first read this about 10 years ago when I was around 17-18. The pedophilia wasn't as gross, it was easier to sympathize with HH and bask in the beautiful prose.


And I'm telling you, your perspective changes. I was perfectly happy to suggest this as the first book for the book club with all my fond memories but when I actually took it off the shelf to re-read it? Wow, he sure does like to go on and on about how beautiful and sensual the features of an unformed adolescent girl are.

That's one thing that struck me with this re-reading. He continually praises, in lurid detail, physiological characteristics of a pubescent girl. The unflaired hips, the sub-100 lb weight, downy hair, budding breasts, etc. Much creepier with the perspective of age.

That, and her character was so young in her actions, moods, likes and dislikes. It was really disturbing to read about Humbert hanging all over her, groping her, petting her while she distractedly read a magazine or maybe pushed him away. It just conjured up such an image that was extremely uncomfortable.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 2:48 PM

Has anyone ever read "Reading Lolita in Tehran"? I read it years ago, so I'm hazy on the specifics, but I remember the author stating that they were like Lolita, held captive by the state. She made a big point about how nothing is ever told from Lolita's perspective. I do remember that it was an excellent book.

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 25, 2010 2:56 PM

mswas--if you are wondering why "Lolita" was filtered, find a computer without filter on, and look up "lolicon". It is Japanese portmanteau for "Lolita Complex". Yes, it means exactly what you think it means. I suppose it says much about the book's cultural impact that it has entered the English (and Engrish) language.

As for the book, I read it years ago. I remember being impressed with the writing style, but not the plot per se. And yes, we, the readers, are not given a glimpse into Lolita the person, because it's written from HH's POV. To him, she is not really a person--she is an ideal, an image, a memory. In fact, the name Lolita was made up by HH; her real name was Dolores. Given that eventually Lolita would have grown up into a Dolores, maybe HH would have been better off to buy a Realdoll had one been available.

Posted by: True_Blue at February 25, 2010 2:57 PM

It just really unnerved me how in the end, HH said (maybe twice) that Lo did certain things that reminded him of Charlotte. And it was weird, coz I wonder if the girl would be anymore well-adjusted if she had simply lived with Charlotte.

Not that that excuses ANYTHING that HH did.

I actually cracked up in the end when Lo told HH, when he went to see her pregnant with Dick's child, that he was a decent enough father, "I guess..."

Posted by: dene at February 25, 2010 2:58 PM

I still have a bit left - who knew that majoring in Lit would mean less time to actually read? - but I did want to respond to one part. Every time that I would find myself too caught up in Mr. H and his life, perhaps starting to sympathize with him a little, there would be a passage that would forcefully remind me that no matter how he tries to sugar coat it, the man is continually raping a young girl.

Will probably be back once I've actually finished the last bit.

Posted by: elleyezee at February 25, 2010 2:58 PM

dene--rule of thumb: every woman eventually turns into her mother. And quite often marries a man who reminds her of her father. Dang, it came out more pervy than I intended.

Posted by: True_Blue at February 25, 2010 3:01 PM

Commander Strikeher, you're totally right. Lolita is solely an object of desire to HH, and the only glimpses into her personality reveal a naive and vapid little girl. Maybe that was intentional so that we don't sympathize with Lolita as much as we already do?

Posted by: Dorothy Snarker at February 25, 2010 3:03 PM

Commander Strikeher I JUST got Reading Lolita in Tehran from the library today!!

Posted by: mswas at February 25, 2010 3:08 PM

I am in way shape or form attempting to suggest that Lolita was at all to blame for HH's actions, but I couldn't help but wonder if Lolita's behaviour at the onset of the novel was a result of HH's affections or used to gain his affections? Was Nabakov trying to make her at all a sympathetic character or simply the object of deranged man's desires?

Posted by: HarperHay at February 25, 2010 3:09 PM

Lolita is perhaps one of my favourite books in the English language. Of the numerous books I have read in English, I can't think of any that has the same sense of humor, passion, pain and beauty all brought together. It took a Russian to write the English that should be written but instead we are often subjected to a bland, spineless English that veers into sweaty poetics without philosophical grounding. The English are perhaps the least philosophical people on the planet and the American and Canadian literary traditions continue this superficial tradition.

Camus once wrote in his notebooks that Americans, unlike French authors don't have philosophy to create their novels.

For Nabakov, his HH is an existential trickster, a god somewhere between Hermes and Dionysus with a beautiful hint of sin and remorse. We are drawn into his world not because we are demented but we fall in love with his language and theatrics.

No, we don't see Lolita fully, we have glimpses of her character through HH's microscope of language and memory. We fall in love with his falling in love.

In some ways Nabokov has taken a poke at the whole American-abroad-in-Europe and reversed it by the European-in-America.

A brilliant book. I finished reading it for the second time. The Carmen references are wonderful if you think of Bizet/Merrime's Carmen and the Carmen of the radio song. We also get a sense of Baudelaire and how in the poetry of the French decadent a brief glimpse of the women he writes about.

Posted by: Robert B. at February 25, 2010 3:10 PM

I don't think it is surprising at all that Lolita would grow up to resemble her mother in some ways. What is surprising is watching how Humbert reacts to the adult Lolita.

All along her beauty and attraction is something mortal and finite. She is going to grow up, and that Nymphet that HH loves is going to die and be replaced by a woman. Throughout the novel Humbert is shockingly contemptuous of adult women. A few youthful prostitutes get some faint praise, his wives are on the receiving end of some really horrible malicious insults (the big bitch... the stupid Haze... the fat cow). Humbert is quite the misogynist.

The fact that he still loves Lolita, even as a grown up, says... something, anyway. I'm not ready to call it a love story like Dene but there is some personal growth taking place through the pain of losing her and obsessively searching for her for all that time. His final acts of generosity (or atonement) in giving her the money and hoping she has a long and happy life are at least better than the way his previous relationships went. Come to think of it, even his relationship with damaged Rita is healthier than the two marriages. But I don't think he grew as a result of his debauched relationship with Lolita. He was a broken man by the end of the book, and probably just lacked the will to be cruel.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 3:12 PM

Anybody have favorite lines or passages? Mine was when HH was trying to procure sleeping pills so he could knock out Charlotte and Lo.

"and going to a cabinet, he produced a vial of violet-blue capsules banded with dark purple at one end, which, he said, had just been placed on the market and were intended not for neurotics whom a draft of water could calm if properly administered, but only for great sleepless artists who had to die for a few hours in order to live for centuries."

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 25, 2010 3:17 PM

@HarperHay

I think the important thing to remember is how little we know of the real Lolita. Humbert is clearly an unreliable narrator. Think about his frequent boasts about how women and girls alike found him so attractive. Can we even trust his account of how Lolita behaved toward him? Can we accept at face value his side of the story ('she seduced me')?

I'm sure a young girl like Lo might be flirtatious toward the new older gentleman around the house, but there's a big difference between innocent flirting and statutory rape.

Ultimately, I think we can all pity Lolita because of what is done to her but it is very difficult to sympathize with her since there is so little of Lolita in Lolita.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 3:21 PM

Hmm... I like the final paragraph a lot.... and I also like it when he turns words around, like "rumor, rumour, roomer..." and a new meaning comes out of those word plays.
unfortunately, im surreptitiously reading this at work so i dont have my Lolita copy with me... but I do have loads of favorites, and my version is all ear-marked.

Posted by: dene at February 25, 2010 3:23 PM

Lolita is one of my favorite novels, and due to its style and perspective one of the books I think really doesn't translate to film -- despite two attempts.

It's like Dracula for me, and in a way Humbert the pedophile is like a vampire of sorts, in that it's about language and perspective and diary writing. Also, Coppola's film of Dracula employs a similar prologue that aligns Mina to a past love of Dracula's, much like how Lolita reminds Humbert of his childhood love.

Posted by: Christopher Campbell at February 25, 2010 3:23 PM

I was going to put this in my review but wound up deleting it, but just after Lolita's gone, HH says:

"A big W made of white stones on a steep talus in the far vista of a cross street seemed the very initial of woe."

Posted by: mswas at February 25, 2010 3:29 PM

@Yossarian

Ha Ha, I am totally HarperHay today -- must be a result of contemplating HH for the past week.

It is interesting to contemplate HH for the liar that he appears to be. It is odd how I kept cracking up when he would mention just how attractive he was -- I was thinking, yeah right, visions of grandeur anyone? But I never considered him relating Lolita's behaviour in any other way than truthful, odd now that I think about it.

Perhaps that was due to the fact that she, as an individual, was so not present throughout the novel so I didn't have baseline to draw upon.

Either way, one of my favourite moments was near the end when HH was recalling a conversation he had overheard Lolita having with one of her friends regarding death. To me it was that moment that he recognized her as a person as opposed to a possession. Which is one of the reasons I can view this as a love story.

With that, great conversation everyone!

Posted by: HarperJay at February 25, 2010 3:59 PM

OK, finally finished. Not easy to read or think today as it's a snow day so I have all my boys at home annoying...er...enriching my life.

The book was not what I had expected. My vague ideas I had of Lolita were that it involved an older man and a girl, but I think I was thinking more of a high school girl or something--not yet legal but not that far off. I don't know why I thought that--maybe the associations with the Police song about the teacher and the student. Twelve seems much more deplorable than 16, I guess.

On a sort of tangent, I was curious about the fact that he only liked a certain kind of young girl, the "nymphet" as he called her. I wonder if real-life pedophiles are that picky or if they just take advantage when they get a chance. Ugh, I don't really want to explore that thought too far, but I do know I've had some friends who were "messed with" in some way by more than one grown man, and I wondered if some quality made them more vulnerable. Not that they would be in any way responsible for the behavior of the adults, of course. Am I making sense?

I don't think Nabokov ever got me to identify too much with HH. Obviously the only person Humbert ever really loved was Humbert. Dude was beyond enamored of himself. I suppose he may have loved the long-lost Annabel, but I don't really think he did--I think with both Lolita and Annabel it wasn't the actual person he loved but some ideal they represented.

Yes, the language could be beautiful; he gave lovely lyrical portraits of the vast spaces of America; it was absurdly humorous at times; but I still couldn't "like" HH in any sense. If he'd stepped out of the book into my living room I would have only wanted to step on him like a cockroach.

And did he claim to have a foot-long member at one point? Sounded like that was what he was implying. That was an eye-roller.

It was interesting to me that his most explicit sexual-sounding language was reserved for the violence at the end of the book--specifically his description of the gun. Stuff like "Full Blued. Aching to be discharged." There was more like that but I can't find it to quote it at the moment.

OK, that's enough rambling for now. I do want to quote my favorite phrase of the book: "...with a blue block of ice for heart, a pill on my tongue and solid death in my hip pocket..."

Will now have to finish reading all the other comments and come back later.

Posted by: lainiefig at February 25, 2010 4:03 PM

I didn't really want to have to read this book but when it was put on the table for discussion, I gave it a fair chance. Especially since most fans of the book all said the same thing: "The writing and perspective is so beautifully poetic, you almost can't help but sort of root for him." or some variation of that. I believed it since there have been many books that had that effect on me. I didn't have time to read this cover to cover but I was totally up for being proven wrong when I read Lolita.


Well, I didn't root for him. I didn't enjoy reading this book. Humbert, while eloquent and bright, still was a total douche. My impression of him was similar to Hannibal Lecter. There is something quite charming and distinguished about him but he's still something of a monster and creeps me the hell out. I agree that the writing was idyllic and captivating but it wasn't enough to make me like HH or the story he was telling. I might feel the same way if Roman Polanski made a beautiful, artful film about his sexual escapades with 13 year old girls told in his scintillating point of view. It was difficult for me to get past the fact that he's a total pedophile and the girl is being taken advantage of in a very devious way. Its just an unpleasant premise and reading this book made me feel weird.

I don't know if my mind is just warped from having a daughter who will be 12 years old someday or if this book would have bothered me anyway but overall, this book wasn't really my cup of tea. It just bummed me out.

Posted by: bubblegumshoe at February 25, 2010 4:16 PM

My liking of Lolita is very surprising considering how much pedophilia disturbs me. I think HH is a very enganging character and tough I never actually rooted for him it is easy to fall under his trap. He is the quintessencial unrreliable narrator, so we can only see Lolita through his eyes. In the best part of the book she is described as a willing victim, even actively seducing him in their first night at the hotel. But in the end when she is older and he tries to rebuild their "relashionship" , her reaction isn't what you expect from a consenting party, if I remember correctly at one point she says "after all you done to me?". That's why i think is imposible to have a faithful movie version. In movies we believe in what is represented, I discussed the charater Lolita with some people from work and they always see her as just a promiscuous teenager and I believe she has more layers than the ones that HH chooses for us to see.

Posted by: Nat at February 25, 2010 4:26 PM

both times I read this book, I got an overwhelming sense of pathetic need from HH. My impression was that HH felt incredibly sorry for himself, and saw Lolita as lording over him. For HH, he often saw the actual power in their relationship as tipped against him, though that's obviously completely out of touch with reality. That's one of the things that I find most fascinating about this book, Nabokov wrote this from the perspective of someone with a completely skewed view of reality and manages to pull you into it. This is the reason, I think, that you keep having to wrench yourself out of sympathetic feelings for him.

I also think a big part of what makes this book so palatable is the mesmorizing prose and beautiful, travelogue-ish descriptions. They lull you into a sense of wonder, breaking up the uncomfortable feelings.

Posted by: Katers at February 25, 2010 4:30 PM

dene--rule of thumb: every woman eventually turns into her mother. And quite often marries a man who reminds her of her father. Dang, it came out more pervy than I intended.

Posted by: True_Blue at February 25, 2010 3:01 PM

Ooh, I always hate this idea when I hear it. I DO NOT want to be my mom. She's lovely in some ways but right now she's in a situation I really do not want to be when I'm her age. She's nuts (not like literally insane but not just very irrational). I did marry a man who sort of reminds me of my stepfather (but NOT in a pervy way).

Posted by: lainiefig at February 25, 2010 4:32 PM

Ultimately, I think we can all pity Lolita because of what is done to her but it is very difficult to sympathize with her since there is so little of Lolita in Lolita.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 25, 2010 3:21 PM

Exactly--hit the nail on the head there. I didn't get around to addressing what I thought of Lolita in my previous comment because I just don't know who she is from his unreliable descriptions. I don't know that I even thought about how little I knew her until he was reminiscing toward the end and talked about not knowing what went on in her head himself. That's about when I realized her character was more like a cardboard cutout and that she probably had unknown depths that HH had missed. He was too busy projecting his own so-called love upon her to really see her for herself.

Posted by: lainiefig at February 25, 2010 4:40 PM

Just before Lolita was chosen as the first challenge for the book club I had read Edward Albee's theatre adaptation of the novel, one of which Nabokov himself was quite fond of. This adaptation could be interesting for the discussion because it simultaneously answers Yossarian's question about the author's position and explains McFate's humour by introducing a character called A Certain Gentleman that omnisciently pulls strings and heart chords and is a constant companion to HH, full of compassion but also carrying some disgust. He always stays out of the action but his voice is strong and judging at times. It is clear that he feels possesive of the plot but in some way his resolution seams to be indeed the only solution for the characters in the world described by him. At the same time, reading the adaptation and having been made conscious of the plot so violently by this Nabokov-ACG-Character, I remember being struck for the first time by the very dynamics of the story. I had never given the original enough credit for the actually quite twisty and terrifying ride it offers in terms of plot.
I remember reading "Lolita" as if in a slumber, it stretched and shocked and excited me. It took me (a quick reader) weeks to finish it and the resolution didn't feel surprising at all. It just left me angry at HH and frustrated, while shocked, ever so shocked by the depiction of Lolita.
Anyway I recommend Albee's look at things to all of you as it also really brings out the humour that Nabokov planted everywhere but, as I think, never let fully bloom.

Posted by: sunflowerseed at February 25, 2010 4:44 PM

The novel is a treatise on the nature of love itself. Romantic love, is an emotion, created by a mixture of brain chemicals, that causes a person to develop an intense craving for another. It is often based, not on reality, but on the lover's perception of the object of his desire. When love is returned, the lover is elated, joyous. When thwarted, rejected lovers can have intense feelings of despair, rage, obsessive and violent behaviors. Love does not have to be returned to be love, but healthy people, when their romantic overtures are rejected, move on. Humbert, IS the dark side of love. When his early love affair with Annabel is cut short, he becomes obsessed with young girls, instead of moving on as a healthy individual would. Later, with Lolita, he manipulates the situation in order to force the object of his desire to his will. He uses lyrical, romantic words and imagery to tell his story, attempting to justify his actions, just as any abuser or complicit victim does. Love, untempered by reason and true caring for the other, can be selfish, cruel and monstrous. By allowing the reader to get caught up in the lyricism of the story and identify with Humbert at times, Nabokov reminds the reader of the dangers inherent in selfishly pursuing your own feelings and desires without looking beyond them. Throughout the novel, Humbert's illusions crack as he becomes more and more paranoid, and as we see glimpses of Lolita's true feelings for him. Near the end, when forced to confront the fact that Lolita does not love him, and that he has destroyed both himself and her, he tries to make it up to her, and ease his conscience, in what small ways he can. Quilty, in contrast to Humbert, does not mask his desires in romance, and is a stark reminder to Humbert of just how truly horrible his own actions are throughout the novel. When the veil of his romantic illusions is removed, he sees what a monster both he and Quilty are, and destroys Quilty and allows himself to be captured.

Posted by: Christy at February 25, 2010 4:48 PM

I think that the main theme, for me, was loving the idea of someone much more than the actual person. I've known several people who were in relationships like that, and in a way it can be the most painful, aching, unhealthy love. In Humbert's case, its obsession and all that bad stuff mentioned in other comments. The view in the end, where he almost realizes who Lolita really is, is sad.

Posted by: jvo at February 25, 2010 4:53 PM

Christopher Campbell,
I like your comparison to Dracula. I definitely would not have thought of that.

lainiefig,
On a sort of tangent, I was curious about the fact that he only liked a certain kind of young girl, the "nymphet" as he called her.

Especially in the first half, I was kind of wondering about that comment myself but in a different way. After describing how picky he was, and saying that only very specific girls could meet the standard, it then seemed like everyone single little girl he met matched his description, or if not, was too old and showed signs of being a former nymphet. I don't think it was until Part II that he actually mentioned some little girls he didn't like.

I haven't had any computer access at work so I'm a little late joining in, and I think many of the points I would have made have been made. Great job on the set up and introduction, yossarian. You definitely put a lot of thought into it.

Posted by: Jen K at February 25, 2010 4:54 PM

Well put Christy.

I just want an excuse to nerdily gush over how exciting this book club is! I've been trying to get a book club started with my friends forever, and just gave up.

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 25, 2010 4:58 PM

I read this book about 10 years ago and loved it--I cannot seem to make it through it a second time. I think my problem lies in being able to sympathize or feel for Humbert, interestingly, a problem I did not have the first time around. (I got married since I first read it, but no kids yet--so that is not the issue). The fact that he has no "feelings" for Lolita (I'm describing this poorly, but I mean that he has no interest in her personality and, if anything, dislikes her) is stopping me from enjoying the book. However, the prose remains amazing.

Posted by: maceo at February 25, 2010 5:19 PM

I'm sorry if this is repetitive but I'm in a rush and I don't have time to read everyone's posts right now. Can I just say that this is a TERRIFIC IDEA?!?

Here are my thoughts related to some of the great questions posted by Yossarian.

What, then, do you make of the character of Lolita?
To me she is an empty shell, just like she was to Humbert. I certainly wouldn't trust Humbert to give an accurate description of her so I don't think the reader really knows who she is. I had never read this book before and I was a bit surprised. I had understood the term "Lolita" as used commonly to refer to a young sexually advanced female but I don't think that's who Lolita is at all. That's of course what Humbert sees in his "nymphet" but I think she is an innocent child, contorted into something by the relentless abuse of her "father." I mean, Humbert was really the only father she ever knew.

What were your feelings and impressions of Humbert Humbert?
Humbert was witty, which surprised and disturbed me. For example, the phrase "blackmail - no, that is too strong a word - mauvemail." I mean, that's just funny! But then you think about the situation you are laughing about and it isn't so funny anymore. I think Humbert can be summed up in this short passage, "...and her sobs in the night - every night - the moment I feigned sleep." He just laid there, night after night, listening to her pain and felt nothing for her. He is a cold calculating clever bastard.

Where is the author among the novel’s many layers?
I really appreciated the afterward because I think too often literature enthusiasts are overeager in picking a story apart for the hidden meaning and symbolism. Sometimes, a story is just a story; however, I concur with Yossarian that Nabokov's afterward sounds a little cheeky as if he is hoping we will not look to deeply for meaning. I also agree with what Cindy said about "exercising demons."

Posted by: ashlie at February 25, 2010 5:22 PM

Now that I have thrown in the most acceptable, intellectual comments that I have to offer I can get to the difficult part.
I am a young woman, I am also French so excuse my inevitable language mistakes and hear me out, oh, my Pajibans/Pajibettes.
I was 14 years old when I read this for the first time. To me HH is and always was a pathetic figure: insecure, afraid of women, traumatised, an absolute outsider. But an outsider he was not only because he was a pedophile but also because he was a foreigner desperately aiming for a dirty, perverse version of his own American Dream, or shall we call it the American Illusion. He was an outsider because he was intellectually so isolated and because he really was so much more intelligent than everyone else around him. And he had something else that fascinated me back then and still does: a wayward understanding of how tragic life can be and how cruel. It never came as a big surprise to him, neither his own cruelness nor that of the world.
Lolita is surely a victim but to me she was just as much a victim of her stupid, jealous, unloving mother as of a society that hasn't taught her enough about self-worth to stop her from losing her virginity (willingly) at a summer camp at 12, of Quilty or of a husband that was looking for little beyond a housewife and a kids factory when he found her. And yes, she was HH's victim.
And there is nothing that could excuse the way he abused her physically and emotionally.
BUT I very much doubt that the picture of innocence most of you paint is more accurate or reliable than Humbert's own characterization.
You see, I was 14 when I read this for the first time and this is an age when I had long ago perceived my own sexuality and when I was gratefully starting to perceive the reactions my femininity got me. I particularly remember one uncle, another friend of my father and a student (the last of whom was probably just fond of kids and looked at me as at one) with whom I shared moments of physical closeness at that age. And while the last "flirt" was probably a fruit of my own imagination, the other two men were unmistakeably attracted to me and were desperate for contact that could pass as, but was not really, innocent. They never forced me in any way or took advantage of me in any way but I was very conscious of their attention. And although I didn't feel attracted to them I enjoyed it. I felt sexual empowerement when around them. I let them have their little pleasures (the watching and pressing against, the hugs and the cheek/hair/arm caresses, the spotted erections) and forgave them.
So, especially in Lolita's world, where she had no friend, no one really on her side, no one to take care of her, in a world where her mother was clearly negligent and egoistic, I think she just cherished the attention and the tenderness with which HH treated her. And she sought comfort. That's why I think it is actually possible she seduced HIM and I find it also remotely plausible that in the beginning of the "relationship" she may have looked for comfort and solace in his arms at the wake of her mother's death. He is after all a father figure to her, asbeit a horrible role model and I think the saddest part is he may not have been "that bad of a father in his own way" the way she looked at it.
I guess we will never know as you are absolutely right that we know very little about her inner musings. However I doubt they were very deep if we consider the genes and education she got.
And all this time Humbert is painting a godess upon his own inner eye, one that doesn't exist in reality, Gatsby's Daisy comes to mind and yes, I think he loves that godess, not Lolita, but the girl/woman he believes her to be.
So, in a sense, I think it is a Love Story.
There, go, stone me!

Posted by: sunflowerseed at February 25, 2010 5:32 PM

I have so much to say about this book and nothing I can say about it. All at the same time. This will be disjointed, but let me attempt to get it out. (And this is the rough draft of my review.)

As for the cover, I think a cover featuring only a close up of a really ugly older man would be interesting. What would be the effect of that?

The blurb from Vanity Fair is on my cover and every time I saw it, it seemed so preposterous, I decided they were being sarcastic! That's the only way I could process a statement like that.

The prose is beautiful, lyrical, poetic, magical at times. Hilarious at times. Humble at times. Too clever by half other times.

It's still an ugly as hell story.

I'm interested in the perspective of a woman reading this who was, if not kidnapped by a molester, in some way a victim of sexual abuse or inappropriateness at a young age. I couldn't help but remember the uncle who always wanted me to sit on his lap long after it would have been appropriate, with that ugly sneer on his face. The other uncle who seemed to take joy in telling his neices dirty jokes. The old men who stared too long, at things they shouldn't be staring at. The sense of violation, discomfort, and shame.

I think if you have experiences like that and worse, you obviously see Lolita differently. I wanted to hear from Lolita so badly I could have screamed. When he would report the casual things she said, the way she seemed sometimes to be such a normal kid, I just knew she was compartmentalizing her experiences and they were destroying her bit by bit.

I think Nabakov was intentionally trying to see just how well he could use his words to make a truly despicable character likeable and even sympathetic. I can see it being an experiment to him, a personal challenge.

But as much as I admired his word play, I couldn't ever really forget that HH was a monster, trying to justify what he did. Expressing a desire to marry Lolita and create a daughter Lolita and molest her and so on and so on. Impregnating his own daughter and granddaughter.

In other words, it didn't work on me. I found myself keeping him and the book at arm's length.


Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at February 25, 2010 5:39 PM

Oh sunflowerseed. Yes, I think you hit the nail on the head about her wanting and needing affection and attention. It's often one of the biggest reasons young girls become sexually active too young.

But let's stop before blaming the girl. I was also 14 and got unwanted attention from uncles and old men. But unlike you, I hated it. It made me extremely uncomfortable. We really have no way of knowing if Lolita had your reaction or my reaction. I understood that she engaged in sex play at camp with another kid her age. Not good, but also not a justification for molesting her.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at February 25, 2010 5:44 PM

One of the reasons I love Lolita, is that the whole novel is just Humbert trying to cast himself in a flattering light. It's easy to get caught up in sympathising with him when he goes on about all he does for Lolita, contrasted with passages about Lolita behaving like a spoiled brat, that you forget that he is essentially a rapist. He sugarcoats cruelty until you start to eat it up, but he can't help slipping up on occassion, to discuss the pleasure he gets from watching her suffer.
I think that one of the greatest things about Lolita is that it does force the reader to take a good long look at themselves.

Posted by: Liz Rose at February 25, 2010 5:45 PM

As I said I am not looking for a justification for him to molest her.
I think the worst part is just the fact that she is too immature to be emotionally independent of him, too immature to understand or truly object to the sexual relationship he offers her and at the same time already old enough to feel as a sexual human being and to ask herself questions that may lead to guilty feelings. And as a child, she needs him. As a woman, she may need him too, although probably more as a guiding parent in that difficult process of becoming a woman.And she may have needed him as a man that she may look up to and one day find someone worthy of her love that may resemble him.

Posted by: sunflowerseed at February 25, 2010 5:56 PM

Confession: I have read neither Yossarian's entry, the comments or the book. It annoys me when people do that, but I have good reason.

I have been away from Pajiba and my own CBR for a while. I was hoping to finish Lolita in time for this discussion. I failed. Knowing today was the day the discussion was to take place I began reading in an effort to finish it before the end of the day. Again, I failed.

I managed to get through the first few chapters on the train as I went to visit friends and drink in their local pub. I was immediately engrossed. In fact, on my way out of the train I stood in the rain, after I'd alighted at my stop, just to finish my chapter. At evenings end, returned to the train, I threw myself back into the book.

Unfortunately, my train stopped in a rather notorious part of town. A group of obviously drunk young men boarded. They began fighting amongst themselves, brandishing glass bottles of alcohol, threatening to attack. I began to feel uncomfortable.

As the sole other passenger on the train they predictably turned their attention - and aggression - on me. I did my best to ignore them and focus on my reading. As the threats of violence increased I couldn't help but wonder, "Is there a less appropriate novel that I could be reading in this situation?". Surrounded by angry, drunken young men looking for any excuse to beat the shit out of a random stranger, I found myself alone, reading a book notoriously known for it's representation of pedophilia.

Fortunately my stop arrived before my beat down. I look forward to finishing the novel tomorrow and contributing to this discussion, provided it continues. But here's a thought: for the next book club reading, how about something that doesn't provide (additional) fodder for random acts of aggression? Maybe The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy or Calvin & Hobbes or fucking Twilight, shit I don't care. Just something that will lengthen my life expectancy. Alternatively, I could just stop reading in public.

Posted by: TSF at February 25, 2010 6:05 PM

I'm not in this for the long haul, but I tend toward Snuggiepants' viewpoint more than Cindy's. I don't necessarily think Nabakov had pedophilic tendencies he was trying to exorcise.

Posted by: Smokin at February 25, 2010 6:10 PM

Snuggiepants, yeah, remembering my own childhood is probably why his charm didn't work on me either. I was what I call "mildly" molested at age 5 and again at age 10 and had a sister who went through worse more than once (though I didn't know about her various incidents until we were both adults). I kept thinking of those experiences while reading the novel--it's probably where my anger at him comes from (as I said, if he popped out of the book I'd stomp on him). I remember a statistic that 1 in 4 girls (and I think 1 in 6? boys) are sexually molested in some way before age 18. I don't know what all they call molestation in that statistic, but I think I can believe it because of all the stories I've heard from friends.

Posted by: lainiefig at February 25, 2010 6:14 PM

snuggiepants, I made a similar comment on my post about this - I definitely think Lolita might have been flirting with Humbert a little and enjoying the attention but that doesn't mean she was prepared for a sexual relationship, or that she was trying to get that out of the situation. Humbert was the adult and should have known better but unfortunately he was a pedophile.

Posted by: Jen K at February 25, 2010 6:21 PM

Hi! I didn't finish, so I can't play along, but I just wanted to say how cool you all are. For serious. I guess the book club is a hit! You all win at life today.

xoxo

Nicole

Posted by: Nicole at February 25, 2010 6:47 PM

To me, Lolita's central theme is obsession, as expressed by a character who is so selfish that all his actions are directed towards satisfying his own needs. HH's narration tries to create sympathy for his readers, but no matter how noble his intentions may be portrayed at certain times, he thinks of nobody except himself.

Going in, I thought this novel was going to be more about HH trying to find an outlet for his desire for Lolita, and less about the ensuing consequences of consummating his love with her. In other words, I thought Part I would be much longer than Part II. The elements Nabokov adds to the second section of the novel, his landscape portrait of the USA, HH's jealous descent into the darkest niche of his soul, among others, enrich the novel almost as much as its exquisite prose. I was pleasantly surprised by these turns in the story, even though the plot does drag on for a bit.

Ultimately, I found it hard to sympathize with HH after he fulfills his desire for Lolita. The damage, as they say, was already done; nothing could end well for either Lolita or Humbert after that.

As I said above, the prose is just exquisite, perfect for word geeks like me. I could not read more than ten or fifteen pages without pausing, either to absorb the lushness of the language or take a break from the creepiness.

A lot can be quoted from this book. The one that stuck to me from the beginning, in page 27:

"Years of secret sufferings had taught me superhuman self-control."

I think it's interesting how this self-control unravels during the novel.

Posted by: Big Softie at February 25, 2010 6:57 PM

Big Softie Wow. Yes. Obsession and unraveling self-control. In that sense, it's a fascinating psychological self-portrait. You know, if I had read it with that in mind, I might have seen it a bit differently. Interesting...

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at February 25, 2010 7:23 PM

I'm coming back into this discussion late, but I would like to second what Christy so eloquently said. I think that was kinda what I was trying to express, but I failed.

This was also a very good discussion. Not sure what else to say that hasn't already been said...

Oh, I kinda don't agree with what True Blue said about every girl turning out like her mother and then marrying her dad. Probably because I don't want to agree with that - and also that's just such a generalization. i don't think my mother is very much like my grandma, and i don't think my best friend is like her mother.

Posted by: dene at February 25, 2010 9:28 PM

@Big Softie
I can't imagine a better statement regarding this book than " the prose is just exquisite, perfect for word geeks like me." The words are beyond fabulous.

Again, Pajiba book club, greatest idea ever.

Posted by: HarperJay at February 25, 2010 10:06 PM

When I went to my local megabookstore looking for a copy of Lolita, I found an edition in Spanish. On the cover's bottom, it read:

"Books to be enjoyed during the summer"
(crappy translation mine)

What exactly does the publisher mean by this?
I live on a tropical island, so the weather doesn't change much year round. Did someone think it was a good idea to read Lolita at the beach?

Strange...

Posted by: Big Softie at February 25, 2010 10:21 PM

I don't necessarily think Nabakov had pedophilic tendencies he was trying to exorcise.

I wouldn't exactly classify what I was thinking as tendencies toward pedophilia, but rather just expounding on guilty feelings. It could have just been a sideways glance one day that made him feel odd - and his imagination took off with that feeling.

Posted by: Cindy at February 25, 2010 10:52 PM

Sorry about your experience TSF, but I think you would have been harassed regardless of what you were reading, even if it was the "Kickass book of kicking ass!".

Posted by: Commander Strikeher at February 26, 2010 12:12 AM

I'm going to be the discussion's slacker here... late with my entry and still only about halfway through the book. I just wanted to throw in a few thoughts (and I'm going to get through the book by the weekend and put in a more thoughtful analysis, I swear!).

I was surprised at how the name Lolita has changed in culture over time. I have always imagined Lolita (and I think most references I hear or see support this) as a more sexualized girl, you know the one in short shorts sucking on a lollipop, those types of images. It was something of a shock for me to realize that (at least in the first half I've read) Lo seems for the most part to be a normal 12 year old girl.

Also, I was surprised at how little she is really in the first part of the book. This novel really does just seem to be one big need for HH to obsess over a fantasized image of his perfect nymphet, all the while rationlizing his actions and even patting himself on the back. It is a much darker novel than I expected, with a deep vein of violent thought (and to some degree violent actions). I think this will end up being one of those books that I read, appreciate and enjoy, and never, ever read again.

Oh, and @CommanderStrikeher, that passage you mentioned about finding the sleeping pills for Charlotte and Lo would be what I choose as my favorite passage so far as well. I especially love the last line about the great sleepless artists. Nabokov really does have a beautiful way with words, even if they are used to tell a rather ugly story.

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Posted by: Even Stevens at February 26, 2010 1:14 AM

Great discussion so far. The Pajiba Book club is a rousing success. I hope everyone comes back next month (Psst: we will be reading The Graveyard Book by Neil Gaiman).

But that will all come later. We aren't finished with Lolita yet. This book club discussion will stay on the Pajiba main page through the weekend so that latecomers and procrastinators can be involved, too. And now, back to the discussion:


I think there have been some great insights and personal responses to the serious themes present in the novel, especially the efforts to understand and identify with the character of Lolita. However, I don't want to loose sight of the fact that this is, in many ways, a very comic novel. I think Nabokov is being very playful in his style and injecting this dark, dark subject matter with a lot of irreverent and absurd humor.

This is something that stood out to me a lot more in my second reading, and it's very understandable that anyone reading Lolita for the first time would be so busy dealing with the traumatic and tragic aspects that any sense of humor would be unthinkable, but we should ask if Nabokov is being entirely serious here. It's not really a funny ha-ha book (although as a few comments have pointed out there are some very funny lines) but there is a lot of irony, and satire, and punning going on. There are tricks and games being played out in the text. A lot of this is Nabokov showing off, trying to amuse us.

For one thing, I think the novel is having fun with the idea of Romanticism and the Romantic movement in literature by applying that rhetorical style to an absurd relationship. In this way, the novel is kind of a satire with Humbert going on and on about his love for a 12-year-old in this flowery prose. One of the reasons you can never pin a specific morality or way of understanding on the novel is because Nabokov anticipates your attempts and takes things to such absurd lengths that those ideas become ridiculous. Basically, Nabokov is fucking with us.

Humbert is obviously very educated and well-read, and there are a lot of scenes where he ridicules various aspects of academic and popular culture, or psychiatry. It seems as if he looks down on and mocks almost everyone he meets, and at the same time he is revealed to be a fool himself many times. When an outside perspective is confronted with the real Humbert (Lolita and Quilty both have scenes like this) they respond by actually laughing at him and saying "you're crazy, man." It's easy to get caught up in his seductive literary style but let's not forget that he is also kind of ridiculous when you really think about it.

Posted by: Yossarian at February 26, 2010 11:18 AM

Yossarian, interesting to read your last comment here now. I couldn't get on to post yesterday so came back today with my thoughts.

I totally sense that Nabakov is messing with us. I think he set out to write Lolita with the singular goal of using his literary skill to seduce us, the same way a pedophile will groom and seduce a young child. It's nuanced, practiced and can be very, very effective.

Humbert Humbert is described to us as a suave, educated European gentleman of some means. Everything he says is a bit pretentious and very calculated and self-serving. He seems kind but I can hear Nabokov thinking... "Oh, do you not understand French? Of course not, go on, look it up, I'll wait, then we can enjoy my little reposte together." Ha. Ha.

Nabokov's language is easy to digest and the story is straightforward and engaging, beautiful and sometimes even funny. I found myself having to intentionally stop to reexamine passages for their hidden meanings, subtle humor, or telling detail, easily missed. Nabokov gives us everything we need to know about Humbert, but like Humbert himself you have to look with a clear head and not be swayed by the soft looks and gentle touches.

I love this book and found reading it again only reinforced my appreciation. I don't "miss" the character of Lolita, I think it is the saving grace of the book that we aren't made to know her sadness and destruction from her point of view. I think we all know or can imagine how traumatic it would be. Lolita is in Humbert's world, and like all psychologically damaged characters, he can justify his actions and very carefully will avoid thinking about what he does to others as anything other than benevolent. That's what makes him crazy.

Nabokov is brilliant at taking a subject that is vile and using the same strategies Humbert uses on Lolita to lull us into accepting that we will read about it, even enjoy it. He draws us in like a predator and I do think most readers feel that little niggle of discomfort... this just isn't right. Like the pedophile Nabokov keeps us off balance about what we are really feeling and makes us wonder if it is possible to find good, or have sympathy for the really, really bad. Brilliant!

Posted by: Mrs Smith at February 26, 2010 4:31 PM

Ah! Crap! Sorry I'm late! Oh, you've eaten all the snacks and only the crappy beer is left? That's all right, I pre-gamed.

Now I'll start reading the discussion.

Posted by: Sara at February 26, 2010 6:55 PM

I had to go reread my own review...

Some thoughts: I find that at the end, when Lo has grown up, HH becomes a touch more sympathetic because he does seem to feel a loss and not remorse, exactly, but something because of the childhood he's taken away from her.

Lolita, while of course we don't know for sure, at the beginning of their relationships seems to get off on the power she has over him, albeit in a misguided 12 year old way. She doesn't seem to think about whether or not it's the right thing to do. As I said in my review, she just seems desperate for someone, anyone to love her, especially considering the relationship between her and her mother.

Not that it excuses anything that went on -- it's just the dots all lining up.

I don't know. It's a tough book. No feeling you ever feel by reading it is a concrete one. It's funny, yet horrifying. It's full of longing, yet full of disgust. Drawn in, then pushed away.

Posted by: Sara at February 26, 2010 7:27 PM

Oh I totally felt like Nabokov was fucking with me, throughout almost the entire novel. But you're right Yossarian, since this was my first time to read it, I was putting more mental energy into just consuming the story and dealing with the dark aspects of it. Bang on.

Posted by: Snuggiepants the Deathbringer at February 28, 2010 12:51 PM

Back for Round 2.

Without the benefit of further re/reading and note-taking, it is hard to specify examples of the mental fuckery Nabokov inflicts upon us through Lolita. However, I think the last few sentences of the book state the level of delusion HH is under. Humbert implies that the story he has just told us will stay in its readers' minds as a sublime piece of art, like the story of a man lost after his nymphet muse. But, all its sophisticated language cannot obscure that the narrative is about a man's desire for a teenager, and how this desire threw their lives into a dismal course, ending with their premature deaths. That this adult desire is harshly condemned by the society in which we live guarantees that the sordid affair narrated will cause a stronger impact on its readers than all other aspects of the novel. Time has proven this right in the way the term 'lolita', as adopted into our contemporary language, has mostly sexual connotations (I wonder what Nabokov had to say about that). Excluding Pajibans, who cannot look at any cultural piece superficially, I think most people regard Lolita as a novel about a pedophile and not much else.

Furthermore, I think the ending of the novel is Nabokov's final punchline against Romantic rhetoric: there are some themes that make people uneasy no matter how much you romanticize them with language. It might create some sympathy for HH, but he remains an egotistical pedophile.

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Posted by: Jim at February 28, 2010 9:35 PM

Well, I have a slightly different perspective on this book. I remember my father talking about it a very long time when I was young. It is my recollection of his impressions that I now relate. I think it warrants relation, as he was, as I have pieced together later through recollection and discovery, a paedophile.

He saw Lolita as a work depicting tragic love. He saw Humbert as a man, enslaved by his adoration of Lolita, a girl who was a woman at a younger age than is socially acknowledged. He saw the real enemy in Nabokov's book was HH's crushing, though seldom admitted, guilt at the taboo he was violating. It was society that made him this way, that conspired against and corrupted and hopes for a pure love between the two characters.

To my father, the message was similar to that of the dangers of the prohibition of alcohol. When one makes something natural into a sin, it drives it underground and puts it into the realm of other sinful things. His take was that society had made Humbert feel like a monster and in that a monster he sometimes became.

In my father's understanding of the book, the reason for Humbert's attraction to young girls was that mature women just didn't get him. That some men feel more able to identify with women of a certain age. And that Lolita was the woman who got Humbert the most out of anybody he would ever know. It was outside influences that turned that ruined that perfect love they felt for one another. Because society disapproved, both Humbert and Lolita were convinced that what they had was a great evil and they were turned away from one another by that doubt and fear.

Dear old dad compared it to the forbidden love in Romeo and Juliet, a story, he was quick to point out, that revolved around another woman of a similar age to Lolita. With a similarly tragic end, because of society's insane impositions on the individuals.

Quilty, my father saw as a conclusion of what those impositions can eventually make of a man. He was like a drug fiend, made to feel that his desires were perverse and so diving into that perversity and losing his soul to all the things that go along with that which is percieved as perversion.

My father tried to get me to read the book a few times, but I was too young to really find anything to keep my attention long enough.

It was years later when I recalled the pornography and various oddities in my father's attitudes and behaviour.

My father was a very educated man, like Humbert. Perhaps one more reason that he identified with the character.

I guess it really is possible to read the same book as someone else and find a completely different story told within than they did.

This is the first time I've shared this aspect of my experiences with anyone. Not even the psychologists I've seen many times have been privvy to this information. Maybe it's because here, nobody knows who I am and cannot even see my face.

Thankyou, Pajiba.

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