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hey buddy, there are people out there skinnier than you. Do you get it?

[secret smile]

good on her! you should never judge someone on appearance it shows how shallow the person judging you are. like she said they do not know her nor do they watch the show? so why should they have the right to go out of there way to fully try and knock someones confidence knowing full well that weight does not decide if you're a good role model or not weight does not decide weather you are a good person or not weight does not decide weather you're good at something or not.

You're fuckin' with me right? You can't be this dumb. How you take care of your body, for better or wurst (bratwurst, I bet) will decide whether ('weather' is a climate thing sweetie) you're good at something or not.

You can be as comfortable with your body image as you want, but you're not breaking land speed records at 300lbs (137kg for everyone else) and out of shape and taking health advice from an obese person is like listening to a smoker complain about their asthma or 'lung butter' or a drunk whine about DUI costs.

Your self esteem does not define you as a person. The things you do and say are what matter.

He didn't say she was a bad person, the rolemodel thing was stupid but all he did was point out the fact that she is a fat slob. She's not a victim. Not every insult is bullying

It's not that person's responsibility to point out that she's fat, and it's not hers to change her lifestyle just because some prick has a problem with it. Also, while there are well-intentioned people who are concerned about obesity and health, others just like to hide behind "health" issues to shame or mock fat people. Hell, there are hereditary factors that can determine a person's weight. And even if they have bad dietary habits, weight is hard to lose; it's not just something you can put on/take off by one's whim.

This story is retarded. When you are in the public eye, everything is open to fair game. You don't see Harvey Weinstein or Chris Christie whining when people catch them with triple scoop waffle cones dipped in chocolate in their paws. If the writer of the letter was so completely off base, why did the anchor respond at all? Because the writer hit a nerve. And how is sharing your opinion and being critical of others, bullying? A mature person just ignores the comment and moves on by not validating it. This female is so insecure that she obviously felt the need to comment and make her own private critiques public displays of fast empowerment.

Or maybe she sees that this sort of comment is nothing new in our society. Women are shamed and berated for their weight way more often than men, whether it's, "Damn, girl, cover up your cellulite!" or "Eat a burger already! Real men like curves, dontcha know?" Motioning for fair treatment =/= insecure whining.

Let's see. Second leading cause of preventable death: ~400,000 a year in obesity related deaths. First place is tobacco use, by the way, but probably not for long. Using the news program to air, for what is basically an attack, on the person who sent her that private mail. Her conduct is shameful and, obesity issues aside, I think she is a poor role model.

Oh, Anorexia kills like 50-60 people a year and bullying less than 20. I think we're looking for the wrong villain...but I bet Jennifer found it in the bottom of a ice cream container. BA-ZING!

And yet we have to consider your handle.

Pfft, more like FATimus Maximus. M I RITE!?

My handle has nothing to do with me hating salads or meat or anything. It was a joke amongst me and some friends when one of them was talking about how being a vegetarian is better because you don't kill living things or something. I don't know, he was dumb and he made fun of his dumb hat.

Ah, the sweet anonymity on the net. (Just talking about your "shameful conduct" here.)

My conduct? God, you are bad at this; are you really pulling out the 'you act bad on the internet and you should feel bad' for your second reply? FlappyMax you gotta' work up to that shit and pull it out when I actually do say something that's hurtful and mean and untrue.

For now, just return to your world and I'll return to mine. You can even tell your friends how you white-knighted it up for some fat girl airing her dirty laundry on tv against some mean bitch on the internet.

That one's an early Christmas present from me. You're welcome.

I'd say that you are not worth it, but I have to know where the vitriol is coming from. Did I do something to you, personally? Killed your dog? Fed you baby to the Dingo?

"The internet has become a weapon" much like the radio and television right? Wait..

"do not let your self-worth be defined by bullies.”
lol, isn't this exactly what she's doing? She's using the letter has a way of validating her weight problem.

If shes not caring about the coment that guy said why is she going on a 3 minute lecture of why it wont effect her. She's just feeding the trolls....stupid.

Ya she should of ignored it and moved on with her life.

Jennifer Livingston is pretty awesome.

I love how she completely changes the subject from being fat to the person being a bully. This person, whoever wrote this, has a strong point. She should be taking care of herself so SHE can set an example for her own 3 daughters and they don't end up like balloons. At least she has comes to term with the fact that she is fat, now she needs to lose it....if it ever happens....

You know what? I read this story somewhere else, and thought it couldn't get any better. Then Dustin posted it under that title. Godtopus bless Jennifer Livingston, and Godtopus bless Pajiba.

I'm sorry, but this seems a bit over the top.

Yea, the writer of the email was just pointing out something obvious, but was it really an "attack" ? I don't think so.

First, it was a private email, not publicly dispersed. Also, he didn't use the word fat one time in the email she read, nor did I see him mention "Fat Lady" at any point and time. Plus, being overweight is unhealthy, is it so unhealthy that she is a terrible role model? Of course not, there are numerous worse role models who are "skinny". But come on, this is not an attack on this lady.

I'm guessing (maybe unfairly) that the length of the comments about this story are directly proportional to the writer's size. Let the "vote down's" begin!

Yes, she's the Rosa Parks of the morbidly obese.

If this is morbidly obese then I'm dead.

YEAHHH ZOMBIE PAJIBAN!!!

I'm not trying to be mean, but she's obviously morbidly obese, not that it's any of my business.

What a drama queen.

Brava, Jennifer.

I don't give a flying fuck what the newscasters look like; I just want them to transmit to me what is happening in the immediate world I exist in. If I want extraneous crap then I'll turn to fox "news" where I can listen to the crap vomited out by the fuckheads there that have compromised any and all of their standards of ethics and morals by working for scum like fox "news".

AAAAAAGH. I hate when Pajiba pages won't update and I see there are 120 comments but I can't read them. I don't know if it's Disqus, Pajiba, Safari or what. (I'll try Firefox)

For those who do not understand how this could be considered bullying, you need to pay attention to this line "Surely you don't consider yourself a suitable example for this community's young people, girls in particular."

In what universe is this man not insulting this woman with that statement?

In his eyes, she has a lot of nerve appearing on TV looking like that. Oh sure, he'll couch it under the "won't somebody please think of the children?" hysterics, but the intention is clear. He wanted to make her feel terrible because she's overweight. He wants her to feel so disgusted with herself that she will not have any self worth unless she loses a ton of weight and meets his standards for TV personalities.

If you can't see that he's being a passive aggressive fuck wit, you're being intentionally obtuse because it supports the fat shaming narrative in your head. Guess what? Fat people know they're fat. Saying they are a bad example to children because they're fat is inappropriate. Is she their gym teacher? Their weight loss coach? Their personal chef/nutritionist? Is she encouraging children not to exercise and to eat junk food all day?

Then the "Surely you don't consider yourself a suitable example for this community's young people, girls in particular" line is a personal attack against this woman's profession. You know what we call it in a public school when one kid tells another kid they shouldn't do something because they're fat? Bullying. It happens with adults, too.

I didn't get the impression that the man who wrote the letter was being intentionally cruel, therefore I don't consider him a bully—he's just a dipshit that thought he was making a point about "healthy lifestyles." I also didn't get the impression that the news lady is some kind of hero either—just an overweight lady doing a job that is most often done by women how weigh less. Emotion aside, he should have minded his own business, and she should probably lose some weight.

word.

I am seriously confused by the amount of downvoting going on in this comment section.

Are there a lot of bullies here?

"Some men just want to watch the world burn."

*mouth foaming, teeth gnashing, etc, etc*

ALL THE DOWNVOTES. CAUSE IT'S TUESDAY. I DGAF THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO BE REASONABLE WITH ME. I SCORCH THE EARTH MOTHEREFFER, I SCORCH IT.

It may be Tuesday for you, but for Chun-Li, it's the most important day of her life.

Good job on making a private e-mail public. Ridiculous public shaming. You're a bad role model, petty, and you should probably exercise, lest your heart give out sooner rather than later. Would you like to leave your children without a mother?

He was civil and polite. You blew it way out of proportion, and you're talking out of ignorance and self-righteousness.

It's like if someone were to point out that someone is killing themselves through smoking, and you were to call them a bully. You can control your weight. Don't you dare compare your lack of self-control with something like race, disability, or anything else that's predetermined by genetics.

You're disgusting, and deserve what you're doing to your heart. If your children are fat, it's your fault, and you're abusing them through negligence. Good job.

I bet you're awesome at parties.

He did exactly what you're doing, which is satisfying the need to make yourself feel better by passing judgment on a stranger. You don't care about this person's health or her children's welfare, as your final paragraph of hateful bile clearly shows. But it's easier if you hide behind the smokescreen of social conscience, even when you clearly don't believe your own arguments.

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Are you her doctor? Do you have anything to go on at all save for the way she looks? Do you know that she doesn't exercise? I'm at the gym 4-5x a week. I am hella strong and getting stronger. The medication that allows me to move enough to work out (i.e. to overcome chronic injuries due to a life of dancing and sports) also slows my metabolism. So it is NOT in my goddamned control. If I want to work out (and I do so love that rush), I have to accept the side effects of the drugs that make it possible. And anyone who wants to mock my weight can kiss my fat ass - right up until I slam them with my right hook.

And for the record, the CDC and the NIH both cite genetics as a factor (but not the only factor) in one's propensity for weight gain. But let's not muddy your hate-fest up with facts, mmmkay?

She too, was civil and polite. In fact, the worst thing she said was (gasp!) that he was a bully.

Now there, there. Put your monocle back in and be on your way.

Why is this so all or nothing? Why do you troll people insist that everyone who is overweight or obese is bringing down the entire country with their diseases and dying? We're not all Gilbert Grape's mom and/or fused to our couches, FYI.

I'm fat. I'm fat because of bad food choices and a busy life that only leaves me time to exercise on the weekends.

I'm not dying. I'm actually pretty healthy. My cholesterol is good, my heart is good, my blood pressure is good, my lungs are good. My weekly walks are brisk and keeping my muscles in decent repair. As I get older, my metabolism slows; that's a thing that happens, to
nearly everyone. I have always eaten the way I eat now, but my body
doesn't process it as efficiently as it used to, so I did kind of
"become magically fat." Did you "become magically" a dickbag, or is that genetic? Whatever; the point is, some people do get fat sheerly by force of will, and some people don't. It's not quite as black and white as you're making it out.

My job offers medical coverage, and I use it for periodic physicals. I also have life insurance that will cover my funeral. I'm
not costing you anything. Not one thing more than a skinny-to-average person is costing you. I have absolutely no effect on
your life. None. Zero. Additionally, I don't give a shit how you feel about my appearance, nor how you allegedly feel about my health (it's my experience that fat shamers do not actually give a flying fuck about the health of fat people), since neither are actually any of your goddamn business.

So how about if you shut the fuck up, crawl back under your rock, eat some bugs, and exercise until you die. Sooner than me, I'd wager. I'll be over here, not giving a shit.

Not to undercut your rather serious point, but I'd rather like to be a "magical dickbag." Sounds fancy.

A magical bag of dicks. One for every occasion.

Not for every occasion of course. It would be less magical if you whipped out your dickbag for Arbor Day. Magical Dickbags should be reserved until Christmas. For Jesus.

Point of order: Clearly, Arbor Day is the most acceptable of all the days to whip out your magical bag of dicks (or bag of magical dicks, the original meaning is somewhat vague). What are trees and boners both made of, hm? HMM?

Good point, as anyone who ever woke up with wood will attest.

Oh, and I likes me a curvy girl.

You're clearly mistaken. Santa always carries his magical dickbag over his shoulder to give horrible presents to naughty girls and boys who watch their parents doing naughty things. That's the way I was raised at least. A good proper childhood. Not like your clearly hippy parents bringing out the magical dickbag for some stupid trees.

and two for the weekends.

fatass defending other fatasses.
you are what's wrong with the US.

Aw.

I miss the days people had a sense of humor. I make fun of my fat friend all the time, he makes fun of the fact I've been balding since I was about twelve(not to mention the liking penis thing). I shave my head, he has a wife out of his league, and we go home happy. Sure it takes him longer because he gets winded after about five steps, but we still go home happy. I know you are asking yourself what this has to do with this article, as the lady simply took the high road to someone that was quite rude to her. As really the News isn't just for skinny women. And in Huey Lewis case, no woman at all. Yet no one complains about that! Anyways, yeah, maybe we should come on this comment section and go, "good for her" and that should get some up votes.

But if someone were to go, "Local overweight news woman stands up for fat people, and then sits back down again almost immediately because her legs can't handle it". Maybe we should all be grown up enough and have a good enough sense of humor to laugh. I laugh at funny gay, Mexican, or bald jokes for instance. Especially when they don't come from hate but from someone trying to be funny. Cause really laughing is one of the best things humanity has going for it.

I mean instead of ignoring the troll that just came on this site to yell "FAT" and every other comment being a variation of "you go girl!", we could have comments that championed her for what she said but also make some light hearted fun.

"You know her speech would have been longer, but she heard an ice cream truck outside".

Something along those lines. But no. We as a species need to find anything and everything to be indignant over. White people problems are no longer just for white people it seems. Well, at least I'll be able to make myself laugh I guess.

Hey, I see what you're saying. Obesity and comedy have often gone together for one reason or another. But it's one thing to joke with your friend, or your brother, dad, or uncle about it (I sure do). It's quite another to say those things to someone you've never even met. Not to mention, it's generally more acceptable in society for men to be overweight - men are expected to be big, to take three helpings of dinner, to lift heavy things and knock stuff down. But women don't get that leeway, which makes the issue less easy to laugh at.
And to her credit, she DID try to joke about it. The letter-writer sure wasn't.

I'm talking about this site dedicated to the worshiping of shows and movies that do some form of the things the commenters and writers chastise other people for.

So what if the show does some form of those things? Good shows have bad characters. They have realistic plot lines. I love me some Breaking Bad, but that doesn't mean I approve of meth-dealing or kid-poisoning. So I don't think chastising bullies is inherently hypocritical just because it was on some show I like.

South Park? Family Guy? Louie? Etc?

Seriously where is the line for the people on Pajiba? I know a few people understand one shouldn't exist but still have tact. However for the rest of you where is the line? What can't you make fun of? What is acceptable for some people/shows you like but not acceptable for everyone else? What is acceptable for you the person to laugh at and make fun of, but what isn't acceptable for others to laugh and make fun of? Where is the line for everyone here?

Again props to this lady. Which I said originally. This has nothing to do with her. I just want to know how many people here have no sense of humor at all, because those are the only people I can see as being allowed to have a bottomless pit of stones.

"I make fun of my fat friends all the time, therefore strangers should not be offended when I insult them." Can't say I think much of your reasoning. You don't get to decide how other people react to you acting like a good-natured jackhole, no matter how many times you say "lighten up everybody!"

Not even close to what I said, but good on you for ignoring the entirety of my comment while simultaneously proving my point.

I don't think even YOU know what your point is.

Wow, seriously? Next up you are going to tell me, "I know you are, but what am I?"

I mean if I would have specifically stated, "everyone needs to think and act like I want them to because I say so!". Then yeah, you might have a point. As it was, I like everyone else in the history of everything gave an opinion. That people can simultaneously give props to the woman while also making fun. That people can be okay with their short comings while also making fun of themselves. Instead of finding a make believe line in the sand and patting yourself on the back for being a champion of white people problems. People are too busy looking for any sort of fight to laugh anymore. People are too busy ignoring the glaring hypocrisy that stares them in the face, that even when someone agrees with them but has the gall to say a joke that "insults" the cause of the week they are fighting for, they ignore the agreeing part and just focus on the joke/insult.

Seriously every other comment on here is "you go girl". I happen to love fat chicks. Like all gay men. But seriously, Pajiba, innit? Try to grow as humans people. You can fight for gay rights and laugh at the classic, "how do you know you are at a gay picnic?" joke.

Ok, how DO you know you're at a gay picnic?

The hot dogs taste like shit.

As a former obese medical student and now fit medical resident, I am very torn about things like this. On one hand, I am very anti-bullying because I know how much it hurts to be told you’re fat. On the other hand, I know that most cases of obesity are not due to a “medical condition” and it is a very preventable epidemic.

As someone in the medical profession, I have to walk the fine line of telling someone that they are obese without it sounding like bullying or judgment. And as someone who has lost the weight, someone who went from a BMI of 30.2 to 20.4, I have a hard time swallowing the “it’s too hard” or “it’s not my fault” mentality. It can be done! And fortunately, if it is due to a medical condition, it can be treated too.

So while I agree that the emailer was hurtful, he was not wrong. I knew that when I was obese, I was FAT. She said something I always thought when family, friends, strangers would comment on my weight, "Do you think I don’t know that? That your cruel words are pointing out something I don’t see?”

But it was never the comments that made me want to finally change. It was convincing myself that I felt physically and emotionally unwell, but that I had the power to change it.

"But it was never the comments that made me want to finally change. It
was convincing myself that I felt physically and emotionally unwell, but
that I had the power to change it."

This times a million. That's why I don't understand the point of fat-shaming or shaming, period. When you* make rude comments, you're not encouraging someone to make better choices or anything positive like that, you're just tearing them down.

*Not referring to you, exploranora :)

I'll explain the point to you. It's because they don't really care about the fat person or the obesity epidemic. They just want to feel better about themselves by shaming someone else, and if anyone questions them, they say they're just concerned about the health of a total stranger.

"But it was never the comments that made me want to finally
change."
Exactly.

It can be done! If you're educated about food and health. It can be done! If you don't live in a food desert. It can be done! If you don't work two jobs and have to spend hours on long commutes, only to come home to single-parent kids that need to be fed asap because you worked late again, but you only have $10 for their meal, and then you have to help them with their homework, then clean the house, then catch 5 hours for your exhausted body and mind before the alarm goes off so you can do it all over again (and not just for the term of a medical residency). It can be done! If one can stand to sacrifice one's few precious moments of leisure/me-time sanity to do something painful like working out, and has a body free of chronic pain and injury. Yes, it can absolutely be done, I agree wholeheartedly, for those of us who have a certain amount of inherent privilege. It can be done if the stars align, but they don't align for everyone.

One thing the obesity debates have taught me is just how untenable the goose/gander fallacy can be. In a perfect world we'd all have the time, money, and education--hey, and the drive and willpower, also resources we can't take for granted (we aren't all so blessed)--to be in shape. The more I really look, the more I recognize that my being in good shape and knowing how to eat/being able to afford food choices was something I lucked into more than anything. There's often room for improvement in any situation (and I believe in encouraging that improvement), of course, but there are weights and measures in every situation, too. Somewhere between the fatalists and the ableists lies the real world.

I am glad I don't live in a place where someone who is horribly busy, and doesn't have a lot of money or education is forced to eat excessive calories on a regular basis. I am sorry you do, maybe you should consider moving.

Me? No, I'm Little Ms. Privileged. I was lucky enough to have a food-smart, health-conscious middle-class mom, to have income for any food I want, to have time to cook (I don't have kids, and I set my own hours, work-wise), and to live in a great food-city. I'm also lucky enough to have never been overweight a day in my life, but--shockingly--that doesn't prevent me from having empathy for those who struggle.

Ranylt, you're the best.

I didn't mean to imply that just because I lost the weight meant that everyone can lose weight. I understand it takes education, time, commitment and help. Lots of help. It's why, even when someone tells me they smoke, I don't go around telling them about ways to quit. I fortunately had the resources to change, but I've been witness to the change in others too, even the ones with "single-parent kids that need to be fed asap." And I love, love, love being there to congratulate them because it was all their own hard work that got them there.

And damn Ranylt, daaaayyyuuuum. You had to use the one line where I used an exclamation point. I can't remember where, but I think it was somewhere on this site that someone said, "Using an exclamation point is like laughing at one's own joke." Point taken.

Oh also, I'd like to add that my being busy is not restricted to residency. Real world doctors are busy too.

Fair enough, E. Good luck with it all.

busy taking drug-company funded trips to the bahamas, amirite?

Ha, I wish. Just change "drug-company" to "formula company" and "trips to the bahamas" to "boxed lunches and books."

But maybe someday. A doctor can dream, right?

It's amusing when people can only "keep it real" about shit the rest of us can see with our own goddam eyes.

"She's fat!"

Thanks, Dan Rather.

Also, I've noticed that people who "write" in to local news stations (much like the dipshits who write to their local newspaper) are disproportionately the ones who are guilty of it. So maybe the local TV news, at least, should stop giving them the attention they so clearly crave. I don't give a fuck what they're saying on their Facebook pages, either, FYI. So stop reading that shit aloud on the air.

She is so articulate. It's incredible.

On a different topic, La Crosse is a lovely city, in which I've gained more than a few pounds during repeated visits to their Oktoberfest - which coincidentally started this past weekend. It is a mighty fine place for a post-parade pub crawl. Just be careful of the fishbowls at Who's on First?

No, Jennifer, we need to teach our kids about a healthy diet and exercise. That's much more important than what was, quite frankly, the most well-worded insult I've seen.

As long as they look good, right?

That isn't a reply to what he said.

and your point being?

Exactly what I said.

Holy crap, people just no longer have any idea what the words they are using mean.

I would rather not feed the trolls of this board but here I am anyways...

I made a comment because I think it's a bit ridiculous how someone can honestly state that it's more important to teach kids about how to look their best while diminishing the underlying lesson that Jennifer was trying to make.

I wasn't replying. It was a sarcastic comment.

Again that doesn't make sense. I'm not a troll. The original commenter didn't say anything troll like. Learn the meaning of the words you use.

Also, "No, Jennifer, we need to teach our kids about a healthy diet and
exercise. That's much more important than what was, quite frankly, the
most well-worded insult I've seen."

It should be important to teach kids about healthy diet and exercise. How on earth can that be construed as, "everyone should be crack skinny and plastic surgery good looking". I mean first lady's goal, innit? Healthy kids and the like. Hence your reply not making sense. Because what he said in no way, shape, or form, had anything to do with what you said.

"Holy crap, people just no longer have any idea what the words they are using mean."
You're saying you AREN'T trolling this board looking to tell everyone you can how wrong they are or raise some kind of argument. Thank god. Guess I won't have to justify my SARCASTIC comments to any one then.

No, I'm not trolling. You were wrong. The one person I singled out here because you were blatantly wrong(and one comment under my original one at the time). If raising an argument is trolling though(how pointing out you were wrong is doing so though is beyond me), well take a moment to think about how that would make you an immediate hypocrite.

Your original reply wasn't sarcastic. It was the equivalent of someone going, "How bout them Red Sox?" and you replying with, "You can make toast with toasters".

Read that person's original comment where he talked about diet and exercise, think about, "I made a comment because I think it's a bit ridiculous how someone can
honestly state that it's more important to teach kids about how to look
their best while diminishing the underlying lesson that Jennifer was
trying to make." you saying that. Then just breathe, admit you were wrong, and move on. Or keep bumping this topic to get the last word. That sure as hell isn't troll like.

*big man walks away*

She's freaking awesome! Whatever you may think of her, that was a classy response.

That woman is awesome - good for her for having the courage to do that. She IS a good role model for standing up for herself and others, and she very clearly showed that the asshole who wrote that letter is really the bad example for kids here.

You've got to be a goddamnded arrogant asshole to think that you're accomplishing anything positive by pointing out to someone how fat they are.
 
"Hey, why don't I say something incredibly offensive to someone I don't even know just to make them feel bad?"
 
"That's a great idea, self!  They probably don't own a mirror or anything, so I'm sure they don't even know how fat they are!"
 
"Thanks, other self!  I mean, it's not like they're already feeling shitty about being overweight, so we wouldn't be kicking them when they're down or anything.  Let's be as blunt and indelicate as possible!"

"God, we are just the most helpful bag of fucking assholes today, aren't we?"

LOL at all of the fat people supporting her. Yall should have a support group meeting at the local pizza hut buffet

*like*

"im much more than a number on a scale"
LOL

Well-spoken is more cherry than skinny any day of the week.

"Surely you don't consider yourself a suitable example for this community's young people, girls in particular."

Weird, because I'd say her daughters are pretty lucky to have such a positive, articulate, awesome woman for a mom and role model.

She's brilliant for this. Well done.

I think it's great that she took the time...and AMAZED that the tight new format would give her 4:20 of camera time for a non-news item.

C'mon guys, I know it's "human interest" but it's NOT news.